Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brautis, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And that, my friends, is why you
Speaker 1: play to win the game. What you saw on Sunday
Speaker 1: in East Rutherford, New Jersey. And now welcome to Victory Monday,
Speaker 1: which is also Black Monday around the National Football League.
Speaker 1: And it's already Tuesday as far as the next game
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys is concerned, which is a playoff game
Speaker 1: on Saturday night at seven fifteen at AT and T
Speaker 1: Stadium against the Seattle Seahawks. Bill Jones, Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, I guess Mickey's going to be here shortly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be. He didn't get fired. And the first
Speaker 1: reaction we got out of Brian brought us was about
Speaker 1: the Black Monday. Yeah, Black Monday, trash can trash bag
Speaker 1: day two around the League's right by the way, let
Speaker 1: me see bank help can out here, and trying to
Speaker 1: fix my camera here, Uh yeah, Green Bay Cleveland Jets Tampa, Arizona, Denver, Miami,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati eight openings. I was I went lunch. I went
Speaker 1: to lunch with somebody the other day and we were
Speaker 1: trying to count up all the head coaches that possibly
Speaker 1: could lose their job. And I think we got to
Speaker 1: ten is what we said. Okay, so who are we missing?
Speaker 1: We got well, Carolina would be yeah, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like Carolina and Jacksonville were the two that I thought morone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm saying. I think Carolina and Jacksonville
Speaker 1: are safe. But but yeah, Black Monday never a good
Speaker 1: day in the National Football League when you have to
Speaker 1: deal with with firings of coaches, because that means as
Speaker 1: a scouting staff, and this is the selfish side of me,
Speaker 1: that means you have to completely start all over with
Speaker 1: your evaluation. Somebody is going to come in and say
Speaker 1: we cannot play a four three defense. I'm a three
Speaker 1: or four guy. And now everything you did for the
Speaker 1: previous five months, you're having to flip your mind of
Speaker 1: going out and looking for different players. So that part
Speaker 1: of it is a very very selfish reason why I
Speaker 1: don't like changing coaches. But also though it's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why Jerry Jones probably wants to keep his
Speaker 1: coach and has wanted to keep his coach for the
Speaker 1: last eight years. So eight changes so far around the league.
Speaker 1: Eighty is that unusual? Is that high? You know in
Speaker 1: recent years? I think it's it's kind of that's a
Speaker 1: third of the league, isn't it? Fourth believe, Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: terrible with math. It seems like a lot. And I
Speaker 1: wonder if it has to do with the fact that
Speaker 1: you look around the league and there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of difference between these teams, and there's opportunity, like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys saw opportunity even though they were three and four
Speaker 1: at the bye week, I believe, And if you don't
Speaker 1: get it done, then bringing somebody else who can and
Speaker 1: and a lot of times they're bringing in coaches who
Speaker 1: have no head coaching experience. There's your problem, and not
Speaker 1: with your experience, not with a lack of experience. The
Speaker 1: hiring practices of these of these organizations is poor. In
Speaker 1: my opinion. It is if you keep changing coaches, you're
Speaker 1: a poor hiring organization and something needs to be done
Speaker 1: about that. Arizona is making a change after one year
Speaker 1: with Steve Wilkes. Yeah, Vance Joseph after two years in Denver? Right,
Speaker 1: how long is covered out of long? Yeah? Did I see?
Speaker 1: Denver had never lost had back to back losing seasons
Speaker 1: like forty years or so. That's like that's history right there,
Speaker 1: which you know, although two years you think, is that
Speaker 1: enough time to really lay down what you want to do?
Speaker 1: But anyway to Bolls is out with the Jets as well.
Speaker 1: So there's five in the AFC, there's three in the NFC.
Speaker 1: And of course we already had existing vacancies in Cleveland
Speaker 1: and Green Beady Day and be interesting to see if
Speaker 1: if Greg Williams as a shot at the Cleveland job,
Speaker 1: probably would have helped if they would have beaten Baltimore yesterday.
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, how are you doing on this fine Tuesday?
Speaker 1: You guys seem to be Tuesday right. They seem to
Speaker 1: be burying the lead. What's the league? Oh, you weren't
Speaker 1: here for the league? The Cowboys won seven or of
Speaker 1: the last eight. And all the people that wanted this
Speaker 1: coach fired wasn't fired. And what's the record of this
Speaker 1: coach the last three years? Now? Do I have to
Speaker 1: add it up? Thirty thirty two and sixteen sixteen. I
Speaker 1: had the thirty two because that's Dak Prescott's record. Also,
Speaker 1: they wanted him camped. Also two guys that have records
Speaker 1: attached to their names. Yeah, if he had a Marcus
Speaker 1: Florence is thirty two and sixteen also yeah, but if
Speaker 1: he had a season where they wouldn't have been in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I think you would have been fired, but
Speaker 1: you would have been feeling sorry for him like all
Speaker 1: these other guys. Right now, I'd ever feel sorry for
Speaker 1: these coaches. They're well paid. Well, you just said, do
Speaker 1: you feel sorry for all the staff? And you know
Speaker 1: I feel sorry. I feel sorry to change everything. No,
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for the scouts. That's what I said. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't feel sorry. These's head coaches are well paid,
Speaker 1: so don't feel sorry for them, feel sorry for feel
Speaker 1: sorry for the other coaches though that don't have jobs.
Speaker 1: That's feel sorry for a lot of chains, not just
Speaker 1: one guy. And we'll get into the possible ramifications on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys staff with all the vacancies around the league.
Speaker 1: But making you make a great point, let's not bury
Speaker 1: what happened in New York yesterday because what I said,
Speaker 1: right off the top. That is why you play to
Speaker 1: win the game. I agree about sitting Zeke. I agree
Speaker 1: on Tyrn and Zack Martin injured guys, but Tyn Crawford,
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford as well. I love the fact that they
Speaker 1: played Dak Prescott the whole game yesterday. I didn't particularly
Speaker 1: I'd love not with we're gonna help him being in
Speaker 1: that situation, whether it helps him from a Cowboys perspective,
Speaker 1: they hope it helps him this week ago in Seattle, Sure,
Speaker 1: I think he needed. It worked out well, and it
Speaker 1: did work. Part of the reason, part of the reason
Speaker 1: that I liked it is because it was a non
Speaker 1: pressurized situation. You know, every week in this league it's
Speaker 1: a pressure situation to win the game, and that was
Speaker 1: a situation yesterday where he could just go out there
Speaker 1: and play. And I think that's what he needs more
Speaker 1: than anything, is to go out there and play and
Speaker 1: be able to know in a close game like that,
Speaker 1: to be able to make plays and so forth, and
Speaker 1: hopefully it will help him in a pressurized situation, which
Speaker 1: doesn't get any more pressurized than this week against Seattle.
Speaker 1: Sure it worked out well because it worked. I mean,
Speaker 1: as Jerry Jones said, we kind of hedged our bets
Speaker 1: a little bit with two or three key guys, and
Speaker 1: obviously Dack's one of them. And you know, he got
Speaker 1: sacked four times, and he took some hits where you're like, oh, ten.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times we said in the
Speaker 1: press box, all right, that's it, you gotta take him out,
Speaker 1: and they kept bringing him out there, and he said
Speaker 1: before the game he wasn't sure exactly how much he
Speaker 1: was gonna play. He had prepared to play the entire
Speaker 1: game during the week. To my deal on it is,
Speaker 1: I don't recall in the sixties, the seventies, the eighties
Speaker 1: where we made this big deal about guys playing in
Speaker 1: meaningless games at the end of the season. Your starters
Speaker 1: play well, I think they're difference. I don't understand what
Speaker 1: the difference Isn't it well, I mean you look at
Speaker 1: it and you say, he's He's players were better than
Speaker 1: you think about it. The league was. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean the league. You talk about league, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's harder to replace players now, yeah, it's harder. Point
Speaker 1: it's so hard to replace players nowadays. I mean if, okay,
Speaker 1: if if Roger Staubach gets knocked out of the game.
Speaker 1: You had a capable you had a capable backup that
Speaker 1: could step up and play. You know, it was a
Speaker 1: miracle play that Clint Longley came into a game and
Speaker 1: threw a touchdown against the Redskins in seventy four. It
Speaker 1: was a miracle play. You had. You had better backup players.
Speaker 1: Look at like look at the great teams through history,
Speaker 1: the Steelers, the forty nine Ers, you know, the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They had depth that a lot of positions. This team
Speaker 1: survived yesterday because of death a little bit on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. They lose Sue Philo and they get Adam
Speaker 1: Redman in there, who doesn't play bad. Maybe he should
Speaker 1: have played left tackle and see, look, and that's why
Speaker 1: that guy was gonna get him killed. And that's why
Speaker 1: it's surprising that he finished the game, not wrong. Two
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl offensive linemen don't play. Look, they've been banged
Speaker 1: up all year. Zeke's been banged up at times throughout
Speaker 1: the year. I get it. You look at it and
Speaker 1: you say, okay, can they really what can they get
Speaker 1: done when they're kind of engine of their offense isn't
Speaker 1: in there? But I also see what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1: I mean they Scotland hand said, they put more passing
Speaker 1: emphasis on this game and let kind of Dak cut
Speaker 1: it loose forty four pass attempts and he responded really
Speaker 1: well and they were able to do enough around him
Speaker 1: to help him out. And I think more than anything
Speaker 1: with Dak is they needed him. With Tavon coming back, okay,
Speaker 1: and even Amari Cooper has been here for half a season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they felt like they needed and with what had happened
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks where the thing wasn't in sync,
Speaker 1: they needed reps red zone And I said it last week,
Speaker 1: you get shut out against Indianapolis, but you look at
Speaker 1: the Tampa game. I think they had six drives of
Speaker 1: five or fewer plays. It just couldn't sustain anything. And
Speaker 1: how much does that do for Blake Jarwin after that
Speaker 1: performance yesterday going into the postseason, now his confidence level
Speaker 1: is higher than it's ever been. Yeah, where's the tight
Speaker 1: end up? The scene been in the red zone? Though? Right?
Speaker 1: Where's that been? It? Is it just the fact that
Speaker 1: the Giants played with two wide safeties? Is that the
Speaker 1: only reason? I mean that that's kind of what we've
Speaker 1: been asking for right. Yes, so you use the word
Speaker 1: that I think is most important. Say, everybody's concentrating on
Speaker 1: this momentum. Is it momentum? No, it's confidence. Now the
Speaker 1: tight end has confidence, right that the quarterback has confidence
Speaker 1: more than what he had going probably into the game.
Speaker 1: After they strug and I know the defense didn't play
Speaker 1: the way you want your defense to play, but on
Speaker 1: the final two drives with the game on the line,
Speaker 1: they stopped him for a field goal and got him
Speaker 1: on a four and out. Uh, and actually made some
Speaker 1: plays in the yard the end. Yeah, they didn't yard.
Speaker 1: The play calling for the Giants on that. That was
Speaker 1: the first thing when I got on the elevator going
Speaker 1: down and all these are the Giant people are getting on.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the worst play caller I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I was like, what are they talking about? Should have
Speaker 1: been running the ball that time to run the ball,
Speaker 1: didn't get the yard. It was amazing. It was good
Speaker 1: to see back there. They got a Pro Bowl kicker.
Speaker 1: All they had to do is gate about ten yards.
Speaker 1: I was saying, one first down in three yards and
Speaker 1: the game's over. Yeah, it's crazy play calling, but played
Speaker 1: by Brown though at the end of guy who's been
Speaker 1: banged up too, by the way. Yeah, bess he thought
Speaker 1: it was a meaningful game. Huh, laid out and dived
Speaker 1: and knocked that ball out. They had a lot of
Speaker 1: guys I mean read playing. They had a lot of
Speaker 1: guys in that game at the end that were just
Speaker 1: you know, they were fighting for their lives. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what that's that's how they took the approach to
Speaker 1: the game. I give I give the head coach credit.
Speaker 1: He did exactly what I wouldn't have done. And he
Speaker 1: said out he was very consistent throughout that he was
Speaker 1: going to play this game to win it. And he
Speaker 1: won the game. Congratulations, he got what he wanted. He
Speaker 1: got exactly. I mean, he got a close game, he
Speaker 1: got a victory, he got guys fighting throughout, and it
Speaker 1: looks like he got out of the game without any
Speaker 1: serious injuries. And we've seen cases in the past where
Speaker 1: a team decides to play it that way down the
Speaker 1: stretch and it it turns into postseason success. We'll see
Speaker 1: if it happens with this team. Yeah. Another team that
Speaker 1: got in yesterday two's Philadelphia. Same thing. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were they were kind of they're fighting the same way
Speaker 1: you talked about two teams that were just you know,
Speaker 1: we sailed this division was not very good. Well, you
Speaker 1: got two teams out of the six D. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really wants to play Philadelphia right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened to the NFC least? Huh? Yeah, that has shifted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why you play sixteen games. And in contrast to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys yesterday, the Seahawks are sitting there. It was
Speaker 1: described as a lethargic victory for Seattle. They have trouble
Speaker 1: with their own division. That's kind of the Seahawk way.
Speaker 1: You know, they win games, but they they that division
Speaker 1: they play in, those teams rise up and have an
Speaker 1: idea of how to play them a little bit. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: this will be This is two very evenly matched teams
Speaker 1: looking forward, looking forward to seeing how you know, it's
Speaker 1: two teams that are completely different, I think too, than
Speaker 1: what they played in the first time around. So that's say, oh,
Speaker 1: well they played early in the year. I wouldn't look
Speaker 1: at that. Try and take about week eight and then
Speaker 1: figure out go from week eight coming this way. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of where you need to think about your
Speaker 1: team because Amar adds a new dimension and that all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they don't have they don't have an
Speaker 1: old Thomas. You know, there's there's a it's a different team.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've played well though. Their quarterback is incredible,
Speaker 1: it really is. They run the football too, they're physical,
Speaker 1: they've run better. Yeah, that's what beat him the first
Speaker 1: time though. Yeah, Carson was a Carson's Carson running yard
Speaker 1: game yesterday. Yeah. Yeah, that's what they're gonna do. Get ready,
Speaker 1: load up, yep. And so it's it's from a player
Speaker 1: and coaching perspective here, it's already Tuesday, Yes, playoff week.
Speaker 1: So what's their schedule like, Uh, they're going to come
Speaker 1: in today and guys that need to get treatment get treatment. Uh,
Speaker 1: if it's your day to lift, you come in and lift,
Speaker 1: and then tomorrow's Wednesday, Wednesday, and you got to get
Speaker 1: at it. So which was I mean, he he wouldn't
Speaker 1: admit it, but he knew that they didn't need to
Speaker 1: play any longer last night and that if in case
Speaker 1: it's a short week, we got to get out of here,
Speaker 1: win or lose. Oh yeah, knew they were going for two.
Speaker 1: Well when he went forward for fourth and two on
Speaker 1: his own end of the field. You knew he was
Speaker 1: playing to win. Yeah, that was not that was not
Speaker 1: that's not a that's not something to his usually in
Speaker 1: his DNA. But you know what he was. He figured
Speaker 1: it out. Don't tempt fate, don't you know, play an
Speaker 1: extra ten minutes. No, we were all holding their breath
Speaker 1: when Vanderesh was sitting on the field. How about you
Speaker 1: guys a little bit? Yeah, I heard he said he
Speaker 1: was fine at it. He got light and whipped by Jalen.
Speaker 1: Heard he said he could have come back into the
Speaker 1: game on DV. I know he came back in on
Speaker 1: special teams. I think after that field goal field goal block. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's our field goal extraction. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was the wing. Yeah, that was a scary moment, no
Speaker 1: doubt about it. He was down for a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we were all kind of like holding their breath, like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: do you realize when uh Sue Filo went down, they
Speaker 1: were down to their last guy. Yeah, right, And I
Speaker 1: was joking. I can't remember who I told. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Rego would have been the next one up
Speaker 1: and they go. They were showing a shot on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Karen read like Travis Frederick coaching up Karen, this was
Speaker 1: offensive line. Let me ask you this was that after
Speaker 1: or before the injury? Too? Was that after before the
Speaker 1: injury to Vanderesh? It was the second play or third
Speaker 1: play of the third quarter? Okay, because I was thinking
Speaker 1: maybe he was coaching him up on how to be
Speaker 1: the wing, you know, because that's a good as I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be. Yeah, that's a position that lay Vanderesh usually
Speaker 1: plays the wing position, and that and and actually he
Speaker 1: took Vanderesh took over for uh that that's usually Frederick's spot.
Speaker 1: So maybe I thought he was kind of coaching him
Speaker 1: up on how to be a wing there, but maybe
Speaker 1: not he was talking to him about something. Well, as
Speaker 1: it turned out, I Sue of Filo had his ankle
Speaker 1: taped and basically was ready to go in if it
Speaker 1: was an emergency situation, how do you know they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had to put Rico at tackle. So how do
Speaker 1: you feel about the way the defense played in all
Speaker 1: told yesterday? Too many big plays? Those are the biggest
Speaker 1: plays they've given up all the year. Somebody do some
Speaker 1: quick mass uh one oh nine minus sixty eight quick
Speaker 1: what's that one forty one? That's all that That's all
Speaker 1: that runner got yesterday? Take away the one big run,
Speaker 1: that's all I got. Yeah, that's forty one yards. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was a big run, and it was you know,
Speaker 1: but it was if you told me that he was
Speaker 1: gonna have sixteen other carriage for forty one yards. Yeah, Pat,
Speaker 1: Pat the defense on the back fence. Guess what. Guess
Speaker 1: what's stuck in Marinelli's mind? The sixty eight. Yes, I
Speaker 1: just saw him this morning because last night for Saturday night,
Speaker 1: when I ran into him that we were watching the
Speaker 1: college game, and I said, when I found out that
Speaker 1: Zeke wasn't gonna play and Girly was out, I said, well,
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is hold him to less than
Speaker 1: two thirty six and against the title. And he looked
Speaker 1: at me and he goes, oh that guy it he
Speaker 1: was just kind of shaken. Yeah. So when I saw
Speaker 1: this morning, guy said, well you did your job, and
Speaker 1: he started grumbling, and all I could think of is, oh,
Speaker 1: you got something to chew on this this this week?
Speaker 1: Now with this defense, follow big place. We can't have
Speaker 1: big place. I'll tell you what. He was already fired up.
Speaker 1: The options they made. I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: cover guys any better. What the one hand is. One
Speaker 1: hand catches and and and I'll tell you what the
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram touchdown on film. I don't know what Sean
Speaker 1: Lee could have done any different. Right he tries to.
Speaker 1: I mean, he swipes at the ball going across. Just
Speaker 1: a great throw, great catch. If the only the only
Speaker 1: thing that could have happened, maybe was Cabon Frasier could
Speaker 1: have channel channeled his inner Xavier Woods and just laid
Speaker 1: into Ingram, into his ribs, then maybe the ball would
Speaker 1: have been complete. I guarantee you, though, with the love
Speaker 1: for Layton that people were yelling at their TV, you
Speaker 1: gotta get Slee's gotta get retire or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's just the way it is in this league.
Speaker 1: Anybody yelling that guy he's gotta play the quarterback. Can't
Speaker 1: win a game without Zeke out there. You want a
Speaker 1: game out, A lot of people out there can't can't
Speaker 1: win a game if you get into a shootout, can't
Speaker 1: throw the ball the fourth and fifteen play. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what though, I mean it was vintage Village Prescott though.
Speaker 1: I mean, he everything you want to do wrong on
Speaker 1: that play. As far as mechanics, it's beautiful ball though,
Speaker 1: and he just he has an ability to open up,
Speaker 1: open himself up and just buggy with it with his arm.
Speaker 1: And I mean he threw it. People talk about, hey,
Speaker 1: he doesn't throw to spots, he doesn't anticipate throws. He
Speaker 1: anticipated that throw because he threw it to a spot
Speaker 1: and luckily Beasley, Beasley saw where he needed to be.
Speaker 1: And I mean when you watch it from the end zone,
Speaker 1: it is as pretty a throw as you'll ever see
Speaker 1: because he threw it right to a spot. And see,
Speaker 1: that's the stuff that I like seeing yesterday where I
Speaker 1: like seeing Dak playing in a game like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sort of street ball in some ways, Like on
Speaker 1: the touchdown to jar Or it was the touchdown to
Speaker 1: jar one. It was just a completion to jar one
Speaker 1: where he's motioning him to make an adjustment. You know,
Speaker 1: it was the touch motion him to take off down. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: pointed to him. Yeah, I mean I like to see
Speaker 1: him in those freelance situations. The only way he's going
Speaker 1: to get better in that is if he in that situation,
Speaker 1: he said, He said afterwards, when he saw Beasley in
Speaker 1: the end zone. He said, I saw the dB had
Speaker 1: his back to me, So the dB didn't know I
Speaker 1: was going to throw the ball. He was trying to
Speaker 1: track Beasley, he said, So when I saw his back,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm just gonna cut it loose. And that's
Speaker 1: you see the positive side of his mobility right on
Speaker 1: that play and on the two point because he does
Speaker 1: take sacks, and he because he tries to extend plays.
Speaker 1: But that's also some of the brilliance that he has
Speaker 1: because not every I mean they're about to play a
Speaker 1: guy who can do that, but not a lot of
Speaker 1: guys can do that, extend plays and buy your receivers
Speaker 1: an extra second or two seconds or three seconds. And
Speaker 1: I you know about the game winning drives people ought
Speaker 1: to know by now, he does that. He's got fourteen
Speaker 1: in his career. That's the most ever by a quarterback
Speaker 1: in his first three seasons and the most in the
Speaker 1: league since twenty sixteen when he came in. Did so
Speaker 1: did Drew Brees play yesterday? They got beat? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: got beat. So he's got one more. The only one
Speaker 1: that has more wins in the last three years is
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Hmm. Interesting alrighty too. Issue. I wish he
Speaker 1: would have hit those those two sluggos though, to Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: sure sure, absolutely, yeah. I mean that those both of
Speaker 1: them were pressure plays. I mean he got stepped on
Speaker 1: on the second one. Adam Redman got knocked back into
Speaker 1: him and he kind of his foot his foot got
Speaker 1: jammed up a little bit. He couldn't really step to
Speaker 1: where he needed to throw that ball. But everybody, you
Speaker 1: kind of wonder, Okay, what's wrong with the Mariray Cooper?
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper is still running good routes. He's still getting open.
Speaker 1: He's still getting open. Yeah. Yeah, a chance for two
Speaker 1: big plays right there that just missed. But you know
Speaker 1: you want to keep your safeties out wide to take
Speaker 1: care of him. Then now you've got something else to
Speaker 1: think about. Someone asked Jarwin if he had ever caught
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes in a game. He goes, I think
Speaker 1: I had four of the whole time at Oklahoma State. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Good routes though, kid did a great job and nice
Speaker 1: catches because a couple of them he had to go
Speaker 1: up and get them. Yeah, And it goes to show
Speaker 1: also how you know he was an undrafted guy last
Speaker 1: year out of Oklahoma State. How sometimes it takes you know,
Speaker 1: and we talk. We heard from scouts and stuff how
Speaker 1: much they liked him when they signed him and so forth.
Speaker 1: But it does take some time sometimes or a lot
Speaker 1: of times most times for a player to develop. Him
Speaker 1: once easy in this league, and did you and he
Speaker 1: didn't develop from training camp to the end of the season.
Speaker 1: He's a much better player now than what he was
Speaker 1: when they broke camp. I mean, what was this problem early? Right?
Speaker 1: He would catch the ball and he didn't put it away,
Speaker 1: or he'd get it knocked out and these did you
Speaker 1: see what he did when he caught the ball, boy,
Speaker 1: he put it away and he acted like he was
Speaker 1: a fullback out there. That was my biggest concern about
Speaker 1: him coming out of training camp was just the strength
Speaker 1: of being able to make a catch and put it away.
Speaker 1: Taking the NFL hits, you know. Yeah, but his ability
Speaker 1: to get down field and separate we saw in camp,
Speaker 1: and that's something Dak talked about back then. You know,
Speaker 1: that's another weapon for me over the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: And maybe, you know, maybe he's a he's part of
Speaker 1: the solution in the red zone. How tall he's six
Speaker 1: to five, Yeah, sixty five. Schultz did good too. Yes,
Speaker 1: the on the waggle, it's and I think Garrett said it,
Speaker 1: you know, in one of the walk off situations, he goes,
Speaker 1: you know when Swain went down, he just said, you
Speaker 1: know what, these guys just need to play. That's what
Speaker 1: we need to do. Just guys have to step up
Speaker 1: and play. And that's what they've been doing the last
Speaker 1: several weeks is they've had they've had to make plays.
Speaker 1: They've they've they've been involved, they've had to block, they've
Speaker 1: had to run red zone routes, they've you know, had
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Speaker 1: It's a short trip to New York. Yeah. See that
Speaker 1: isn't a meaningless game, right, They didn't think it was meaningless.
Speaker 1: Nothing means a little bit of a gamble. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: would you buy your tickets ahead of time? Plan ahead?
Speaker 1: It's a little bit, but then you turn it into
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve tonight in New York. That's I want
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Speaker 1: the swath of humanity, not at all a couple million people,
Speaker 1: not at all a million. I'm sure there are people
Speaker 1: out there waiting right now. Oh yeah, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna yeah. I did like the Dick Clark thing when
Speaker 1: the ball came down and all that. He always looked
Speaker 1: good doing that. They were showing on the news, the
Speaker 1: news in New York last yesterday morning that I guess
Speaker 1: on Saturday. They practice. They practiced the ball coming down,
Speaker 1: and they also practiced getting the coffetti thrown off wherever
Speaker 1: the I think it was the hard Rock Cafe balcony
Speaker 1: to make sure it fluttered right and they had enough
Speaker 1: get the wind current. You know, it's important. So how
Speaker 1: do y'all celebrate New Years? I don't now like tonight? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I go to the Stars game. That is really I've
Speaker 1: done that a couple of times. Canadians tonight, No, that
Speaker 1: is a great tradition though I missed out. You know
Speaker 1: when they were at Reunion Arena and they started doing this,
Speaker 1: and so you'd get there early, you know, you tailgate,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And then when you went into there,
Speaker 1: they they all the ushers were dressed in tuxes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it was a big deal in the tucks one
Speaker 1: year and they really and they passed out, you know,
Speaker 1: bloody favors and hats. It's it's a cool tradition. It
Speaker 1: has been great tradition. Yeah, I totally thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Totally forgot about that. Canadians are in town. Canadians, Oh Canada.
Speaker 1: They'll sing beforehand. That's good. Oh I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh do they still do the New Year's Eve a
Speaker 1: victory plaza down there? They used to, so I think
Speaker 1: it moved to the highest. I saw him putting fences
Speaker 1: up around where you used to have a show outside
Speaker 1: right about which one year it was super cold, I think,
Speaker 1: but it gets going. It used to get going right
Speaker 1: as the game and it was perfect. Yeah. Well, yeah
Speaker 1: that they lost their sponsor or something. There's something else
Speaker 1: going on, because I saw him putting up fences this morning. Okay.
Speaker 1: And then Texas Live over in Arlington has yes, very cool.
Speaker 1: They're encouraging people to go there tonight. Good Rob, how
Speaker 1: do you spend your New Year's Well, you're being the
Speaker 1: younger of the foursome here. Well, we don't have kids
Speaker 1: right up after the show? Yeah, actually no, like once
Speaker 1: you're most of your friends aren't having kids. You know,
Speaker 1: the house party thing kind of stops. We usually find
Speaker 1: something to do. But I am staying in tonight and
Speaker 1: watching Texas Eggy football. I was able to the tax
Speaker 1: Slayer Bowl. Yes, I was able to persuade the misses
Speaker 1: into that boring night. But hey, that's good. But you
Speaker 1: have to give it this guys, Is this a change
Speaker 1: for the wedding you did and over thanksgiving? Your damn right?
Speaker 1: You are damn right, which is funny because you always
Speaker 1: there's no yeah, there's no free passes in this game.
Speaker 1: That came up. That came up Saturday night in the
Speaker 1: hotel uh lounge. Uh Britt Brown, the Cowboys associate uh trainer. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's sitting here talking to this big guy. And as
Speaker 1: it turned out, the guy uh played two years with
Speaker 1: the Dolphins when when Britt was there. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: just happened to be in the bar and It's like,
Speaker 1: why is this guy in the in the why is
Speaker 1: he here? Did he come to see you? Goes? Oh, no,
Speaker 1: he goes. He was out of wedding down the block
Speaker 1: and they didn't have a TV and he wanted to
Speaker 1: come and watch the football. So he left the wedding
Speaker 1: dragged his wife all dressed up in a gown and everything,
Speaker 1: and they're sitting in the bar watching the game that
Speaker 1: I had to tell the story about Rob and his
Speaker 1: tablet Trump catch up with the AGA, that's right. Another
Speaker 1: little news item coming out of Miami is that they've
Speaker 1: reassigned Mike Tannenbaum there as well. He's the under the
Speaker 1: president of the club, and have announced general manager Chris Greer.
Speaker 1: It will oversee football operations out time. And we mentioned
Speaker 1: off the top that Mike Mayok is the new general
Speaker 1: manager of the Oak. There's hope for all of us
Speaker 1: media guys again, right, that's right. They're gonna hire some
Speaker 1: announcers to come down and be part of the team too.
Speaker 1: Chris Greer is good, by the way, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just take everybody out of the booth and put them
Speaker 1: in the raiders. Well they already got well, actually, Musburger
Speaker 1: does their radio. Now, Yeah, John John's going to be
Speaker 1: the general manager here. Let's not fool ourselves. John John's
Speaker 1: calling the shots. Mayok side players. That's way it's gonna
Speaker 1: go to change the radio play by play guy? Now
Speaker 1: or did they just already did they just did that
Speaker 1: anticipation of their because of course that's where Musburger headquarters.
Speaker 1: Greg Papa got boot out of the right, long time,
Speaker 1: long time Bay Area guy. Yeah, Area, that's right. National
Speaker 1: reports that the Cardinals are changing coaches. So that's one
Speaker 1: year with Wilkes. Yeah, he's out. Man, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Like you said, that's a third of the league. That's
Speaker 1: a lot, man. All right, So now, how does that
Speaker 1: perhaps it's a quarter of the league, right, how does
Speaker 1: that perhaps affect things here in Dallas? Well? Eight openings
Speaker 1: around the league? Yeah, Chris Roshard is at least getting
Speaker 1: an interview or two or that is I think that
Speaker 1: is the truth, right, Yeah, I would assume. So we'll
Speaker 1: see Chris Rashard though, if you know, if you look
Speaker 1: at his and what he's been able to do here
Speaker 1: and Rod Marinelli, I give my MVP Rod Marinelli, great
Speaker 1: job for allowing Chris Rashard to be Chris Rashard. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that that's a you know, if he gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a head coach somewhere as a
Speaker 1: former NFL scout, I'd love to work with him. I
Speaker 1: really I would love to work with him because I
Speaker 1: think he would a I think he's got a command
Speaker 1: of the room. I think he's got a command a scheme.
Speaker 1: I think he's really actually really good people person too,
Speaker 1: And I think that he I think he would have
Speaker 1: he'd put together a good staff. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: positive things. He's been in a really good organization Seattle.
Speaker 1: He came here, he's learned a lot of things here.
Speaker 1: It'll help him for wherever, you know, wherever he goes.
Speaker 1: But if he gets a head coaching job, it is
Speaker 1: well deserved and there ought to be guys lining up
Speaker 1: to go to work with him because he's got it.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that gets it. You know,
Speaker 1: this is where I think owners make a mistake, if
Speaker 1: indeed they're the ones that make the hire. They look
Speaker 1: at the xs and os, and they look at who's
Speaker 1: a coordinator, and they forget about You've got to have
Speaker 1: a magnetic personality to be a head coach. Yep, you've
Speaker 1: got to be able to command a room and everybody
Speaker 1: listens to you. When you walk in, something goes off right.
Speaker 1: You just can't be I mean some of these guys
Speaker 1: they hired, they're just boring. Well, because when you're the
Speaker 1: head coach, I mean, we've found you got to delegate.
Speaker 1: You know, head coaches that also call plays. It's a
Speaker 1: difficult balance. So a lot of it is the walk
Speaker 1: around factor and trying to motivate guys and send your
Speaker 1: message across. You know, that's what Jason Garrett has delegated
Speaker 1: over the years. He started out trying to do both
Speaker 1: and and it's about who you hire. But that's that's
Speaker 1: good point, Mick. It's a tough job because the patience
Speaker 1: in the league is not what it once was. This
Speaker 1: organization is a great example of showing patients with the
Speaker 1: guy that for twenty nine years. I know that's kind
Speaker 1: of a back in the day thing, but they've now
Speaker 1: you know, he's shown patients with this this uh, this
Speaker 1: current coach. You know, this coach is going to go
Speaker 1: into his ninth season next year. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot that's that's that says something in this day and
Speaker 1: age to to last more than four years at a spot,
Speaker 1: I think says a lot about the patience of a
Speaker 1: front office because if you look at all these coaches,
Speaker 1: the Bengals are losing the guy today that that was
Speaker 1: sixteen seasons. Okay, that's a family run team. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of patients. And Marvin Lewis wasn't a
Speaker 1: bad coach for them. I mean, you look at what
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, they've been pretty bad. But
Speaker 1: if you look at some of the other firings, it's
Speaker 1: been guys like we talked about one year, two years,
Speaker 1: three years, four years, that kind of thing. The patients
Speaker 1: to hire a coach and keep a coach is not
Speaker 1: what it once was. There are organizations that are known
Speaker 1: for that, the Steelers, the Packers. Yeah, and Jerry has
Speaker 1: committed to this, and he hired Jason as a young
Speaker 1: coach and knew that he would grow, expecting him to
Speaker 1: grow over. He knew there was gonna be some problems
Speaker 1: along the way. He's absolutely right. I'll guarantee you there's
Speaker 1: not eight new head coaches out there just waiting to
Speaker 1: get hired to be successful. That's a lot, right, Eight
Speaker 1: you set a quarter every year. Yeah. Yeah, there's eight
Speaker 1: head coaches sitting out there right now that okay, this guy,
Speaker 1: this was the guy, these people And here's the other
Speaker 1: problem is you fire people without knowing who you're gonna hire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't know who you're gonna hire before you fire.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that. I mean, let's just get it done. Now.
Speaker 1: We're gonna head start on finding a bunch in Tampa.
Speaker 1: Now has taken a lot of grief because they're using this,
Speaker 1: these committees, these guys to help search committees. You know,
Speaker 1: any general manager that's worth his salt should have a
Speaker 1: list of guys that he wants to talk to. If
Speaker 1: you're in a position to hire people and you don't
Speaker 1: have an idea and you need help to hire, you
Speaker 1: don't need to be running an organization. If you don't
Speaker 1: know how to interview somebody and hire somebody, you should
Speaker 1: not be the guy in charge. You should be looking
Speaker 1: for a job because that to me, if you're telling me,
Speaker 1: I never could understand these athletic directors that, oh we
Speaker 1: have a search committee. Why why? Why? What is your job?
Speaker 1: What are you paid to do? You're paid to go
Speaker 1: and hire a coach. You know, Gay, I'll give you
Speaker 1: an example. The guy at Temple. Temple has made now
Speaker 1: almost nine million dollars off buyouts. Think about that. Evidently
Speaker 1: the guy at Temple knows how to hire a football
Speaker 1: coach or hire you know, hirespire people. Because yeah, his
Speaker 1: school has made nine million dollars all buyouts. Nobody really
Speaker 1: wants to stay at Temple. Nobody does, but they all leave.
Speaker 1: But what happens that ad has got a hiring practice
Speaker 1: where he's able to make the school money. It's a
Speaker 1: successful stepping stone job. Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, you hired
Speaker 1: the right guy and he's probably gonna leave you. But
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, TCU. They hired Gary Patterson, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not a huge Gary Patterson fan, but they
Speaker 1: hired a guy. They gave him a chance, and now
Speaker 1: he's lasted and he's just not gone anywhere. But that's
Speaker 1: a that was a good hire for them. You know,
Speaker 1: their ad has been able to keep him new ad there.
Speaker 1: The guy's gone to Texas, the old ad, but they've
Speaker 1: been able to keep him there. That's just you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's what that's that's doing your job, that's having
Speaker 1: a plan, having an understanding. Mickey's right. Texas Tech just
Speaker 1: hired replaced Cliff Kingsbury. It took Kirby Hokut about two days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he knew exact was doing. Yeah, he said, okay,
Speaker 1: if this guy's out, I've got He reaches into his
Speaker 1: desk and he pulls out his list and says, got
Speaker 1: four names on here. I'm gonna try and get one
Speaker 1: of these four guys, I bet you anything. He first
Speaker 1: went to Brent Venables, a defensive coordinator at Clemson. He
Speaker 1: said he wanted to stay at Clemson, and his next
Speaker 1: guy on the list was Matt Wells, the coach at
Speaker 1: Utah State, and he hired him and it took two days.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how much money Venables made until I
Speaker 1: watched the semi final. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't leave either.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that these guys at Alabama and Clemson,
Speaker 1: they're worth every penny they're paid. Nick Saban, think about
Speaker 1: the man. He's now a nine million dollar coach. He
Speaker 1: brings one hundred million dollars into the program. I would
Speaker 1: say it's a pretty good deal. Nine million or one
Speaker 1: hundred million. Okay, let me think I'm dumb at math
Speaker 1: I would school Louisiana played some games without a helmet,
Speaker 1: but I think that's pretty good math. You know, forty
Speaker 1: years ago I learned about committees. Missouri was looking for
Speaker 1: a head coach and the ad didn't have the nerve
Speaker 1: and he was retiring, and so they put a committee together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the chancellor female, nothing against females at mickey, where are
Speaker 1: we forty forty years ago? Okay, the dean of the
Speaker 1: law school, the dean of this school, the dean of
Speaker 1: that school. They put them together. That was the committee,
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Speaker 1: how many coaches the Dolphins have had since Don Shulin.
Speaker 1: I'll have that for you in just a second, but
Speaker 1: before that, I want to remind you, Hey, did you
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Speaker 1: to the game on Saturday Night. I understand it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a great day weatherwise too. Tailgating will be great. Okay, right, winner, whites,
Speaker 1: It's okay, yes, the preview of Saturday Night. You're gonna
Speaker 1: wear a white? You wear like a top hat. Sho. No,
Speaker 1: I've got a plan, get ready? Yeah, all right, huh,
Speaker 1: all right, we have a pregame show here. How many
Speaker 1: head coaches do you think that the Dolphins have had
Speaker 1: since Don Shula in nineteen ninety five? Six two three?
Speaker 1: Just quickly off, I was founding. Yeah, you don't have
Speaker 1: to once you first, you got six? You got six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the same as six seven seven. I think that's
Speaker 1: I'm at ten here, ohoa ten. Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: for four years, Dave one Stead for four plus, Jim
Speaker 1: Bates finished that season. I forgot one, two three, Dan
Speaker 1: kick Saban, who ever heard of him? He was fourth? Okay,
Speaker 1: Cam Cameron, Oh kind of forgot Cam Cameron Tony Sperrano
Speaker 1: had a good run for three and a half years
Speaker 1: at six. Todd Bowles finished up that year. That's seven,
Speaker 1: Regis Philbin eight what Joe Philban okay, and then Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell was also head coach there for a time. That's nine.
Speaker 1: And then Adam Gaye makes ten. So this will be
Speaker 1: the eleventh head coach since nineteen ninety five. Dan was
Speaker 1: interim because they several couple they've had three interim coaches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's year seven would have been right. That's a lot, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a lot. Gays is highly regarded as a
Speaker 1: as a kind of a quarterback whisp. How many And
Speaker 1: that's the thing, Gays, if he doesn't land another head
Speaker 1: coaching job somewhere, then he's going to be an offensive
Speaker 1: cord highly sought after offensive coordinator at a place like
Speaker 1: say New York with the Jets and owners? How about
Speaker 1: how many owners? Three? Robbie uh the guy who was
Speaker 1: Juzinga Zinga and now Ross and didn't at one point
Speaker 1: they had all these other people that well, I think
Speaker 1: that's part owners. Yeah, I think Gloria Esteban, Jimmy Buffett,
Speaker 1: I think we're involved. Arena Williams. I think there's Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett's a part owner of the Dolphins. It used
Speaker 1: to be land Sharks Stand Shark Stadium. Yeah, after his beer. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that beer is trash. Oh okay, hey, that that it
Speaker 1: was trash. I like Jimmy buffett Is beer was trash.
Speaker 1: The partial roof that they put on there's pretty neat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It makes it just hotter than hell in there, does it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? You see the game yet night? Yes? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: All those coaches that normally like coaches love it when
Speaker 1: they can wear long sleeves during a game because you know,
Speaker 1: they just eat massive amounts of food and just put
Speaker 1: on weight, and so these coaches are all they were
Speaker 1: all struggling because they had to wear golf shirts. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, we don't get the cover on. The players
Speaker 1: had towels. Oh god. Yeah, it was tough. It's helped
Speaker 1: the fans, but it's made it a sauna in there.
Speaker 1: Well that's why they did it, because they wanted another
Speaker 1: Super Bowl after it rained that Yeah, yeah, okay, they
Speaker 1: put a partial roof over it. So the Cowboys play
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and you've got two head coaches who have
Speaker 1: been in place since two thousand and ten, two ten,
Speaker 1: and six teams this year. Pete Carroll the first year
Speaker 1: was two thousand and ten and Garrett took over halfway
Speaker 1: through that two thousand and ten season. Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: gone through it to see how many of these playoff
Speaker 1: teams have coaches that have been there and extended period
Speaker 1: of time. You can start in New England with one,
Speaker 1: New England's New England's been one. Well, just go just
Speaker 1: go by, go by the round. Andy Reid has been
Speaker 1: in the league or has been in with Kansas City
Speaker 1: for a while. Belichick has been in New England for
Speaker 1: a while. Carbos been in at Baltimore. Baltimore Chargers coaches
Speaker 1: and I think his third years, second or third year,
Speaker 1: probably second year. O'Brian's been in Houston for a few years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: O'Brien's been for a few years. First year at Indian
Speaker 1: Appo exactly. Yeah, Peyton twelve, Peyton's been there a lot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you can go over the NFC, that's
Speaker 1: three years now for mcpha McVeigh. Yeah, he's um and
Speaker 1: then Garrett here the first year coach at Chicago, first
Speaker 1: year at Chicago and Philadelphia. It's with Peterson third year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's a mix. I mean it's all right, there's
Speaker 1: not a trend necessarily, right. They're a little bit of
Speaker 1: breaking news for you guys, right, Kay, Garrison Brown's interviewing
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus for the head coach, Matt Eberflus. It's a
Speaker 1: coordinator Indianapolis of course formerly here. That's a good, good interview, done,
Speaker 1: a nice job, and I like you talked about how
Speaker 1: Philly's playing well coming in. Indie's a team nobody wants
Speaker 1: to play in the AFC right now. I mean that
Speaker 1: not Japan Andrew Luckett to Helm, not just the Cowboy game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: steerest mother, Yes, on the battlefield. Yes, who's the hottest
Speaker 1: team in the league right now? Indy probably gotta be Indie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Cowboys are right behind. They're up there in terms
Speaker 1: of wins in a number of weeks. Philadelphia getting into
Speaker 1: this thing was amazing. And they were running the ball
Speaker 1: yesterday Indianapolis. Yeah yeah, And they were showing their offensive line.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were doing the same thing to Tennessee
Speaker 1: that they did to the Cowboys. Oh they'll mess you
Speaker 1: up now. That offensive line at Indy Okay, so NFC playoffs.
Speaker 1: Who who is a dark horse that you think could
Speaker 1: make a run here in the NFC? I think it's
Speaker 1: wide open your team. The team here can make if
Speaker 1: the quarterback keeps playing like he did, you know yesterday,
Speaker 1: if he keeps making throws on the move and doesn't
Speaker 1: turn over the ball, and you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: was more impressed by him. He had nobody on the
Speaker 1: field and he went out and won that game yesterday.
Speaker 1: I mean, no fence the guys that played, but I
Speaker 1: don't have Zeke Who's the end? Yes, yeah, yes, he
Speaker 1: didn't have really a running game to lean on. You know,
Speaker 1: his best receiver wasn't His best receiver had eleven targets,
Speaker 1: point had five catches for thirty one yards. You know,
Speaker 1: his best receivers were was a tight end that you
Speaker 1: know that is kind of feeling his way. Cole Beasley,
Speaker 1: welcome back, you know last couple of weeks. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup rookie three catches for fifty I mean, he
Speaker 1: wasn't like he had a whole lot of going on there.
Speaker 1: They averaged two point three yards or carry. And I
Speaker 1: mentioned the game winning drives stat because I think there's
Speaker 1: just a feeling for me when I watched Dak play,
Speaker 1: and I think the belief within the locker room that
Speaker 1: they're never out of it with this guy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? They how many times have they started
Speaker 1: slow this season and in the fourth quarter they start,
Speaker 1: they start rolling. I mean, I'm not going to count
Speaker 1: them out any game they play in, whether it's this
Speaker 1: one coming up or if they're able to move on.
Speaker 1: Because he has a way of and he played well throughout,
Speaker 1: taste that playoff two in his mouth. I think he's
Speaker 1: got to taste the playoffs into his mouth. Though. He
Speaker 1: went toe to toe with that guy with the Packers
Speaker 1: right after falling behind. Yeah, that was one of the
Speaker 1: better games he's played bringing that team back. This is
Speaker 1: not a guy without playoff experience going in. He understands.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good thing about this. He gets it.
Speaker 1: You know, he knows what he's probably gonna have to
Speaker 1: do to win this game. A lot of it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna fall in his shoulders. Again. Much better prepared, yes
Speaker 1: this postseason than obviously his first one is a rookie.
Speaker 1: If that's good of a season that he as he had,
Speaker 1: and he spoke about it, and maybe he was speaking
Speaker 1: about himself personally. Just it took us a long time
Speaker 1: to get going in that Packer game, and he wanted
Speaker 1: to play in this game yesterday. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it was just let's carry momentum is part
Speaker 1: of it, Mick, Let's carry it over. I want to
Speaker 1: keep playing week to week and not rest a week
Speaker 1: and then you know, but they got Russ. Thing is
Speaker 1: is real, at least in his mind and the way
Speaker 1: he indicated it. Just think about had they played Let's
Speaker 1: say Dak played a quarter, Okay, what you might do
Speaker 1: if Romo were here as a ten year veteran in
Speaker 1: the with his team. Okay, if he plays a quarter
Speaker 1: and Cooper Rush plays the last three quarters of that game,
Speaker 1: what are they gaining from that? At his health? His health,
Speaker 1: That's right, that's the one thing they're gaining, the one
Speaker 1: they guarantee. The one thing that can derailed your run
Speaker 1: was him getting hurt, right, right, That's the only thing, right,
Speaker 1: the only downside. Right. But I also confidence in Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: Do I No, there's nothing against nothing against Cooper Rush,
Speaker 1: but put the pullback in the game to run one
Speaker 1: on the goal. I mean with Nate goes, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what's all the way doing in the game. I've never
Speaker 1: seen him in Zeke's in there again, you know? No, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were using him on third down because they needed
Speaker 1: somebody to block that they trusted. They didn't. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the only downside was him getting hurt. That was the
Speaker 1: only downside of But anyway, it's a good point, you know,
Speaker 1: I throw at risk, so I just throw it out
Speaker 1: here that who might be a dark horse. And Brian
Speaker 1: brought us brings up the Cowboys and why not the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: You know well? And Rob said it though too. This
Speaker 1: thing is wide open. You know if if you if Hey,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys went. They've beaten the Saints. They haven't played
Speaker 1: the Rams. Play the Rams last year. You know that
Speaker 1: was a toe to toe game. Mickey will tell you
Speaker 1: they were punt returned away from blowing them, milling them out,
Speaker 1: and they've had I'll take my police too. I will
Speaker 1: take my chances playing anybody in the playoffs on the
Speaker 1: NFC side. Did Falls get hurt? He did rips, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it sounded the reports are encouraging for him for playoffs.
Speaker 1: Just a million dollar bonus yesterday? Did he like four plays.
Speaker 1: I think, Wow, yeah, I don't give it to him.
Speaker 1: Huh No, they won't. Some are some organizations would, they would.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see. I'm going all over the place.
Speaker 1: I'm driving Mickey gonna read here. I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: going all over the players. I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's wide open the FC. I think it's
Speaker 1: wide open the AFC. I don't. I don't have you know,
Speaker 1: we don't watch all the game at least I don't
Speaker 1: all the games around the league. But I don't have
Speaker 1: a good field for that conference either. All these teams
Speaker 1: are kind of in the same pot, mixed together, the
Speaker 1: teams that were red hot the first three fourths of
Speaker 1: the season, meaning like the Rams and the Chiefs have
Speaker 1: come down to earth a little bit here in the
Speaker 1: last quarter of the season. Rams dependency is going to
Speaker 1: be on that running back and how healthy is he
Speaker 1: really now? And they lost Cooper Cup and that Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup injury is huge. They haven't replaced that, Nope, that
Speaker 1: has been huge. And then they're gonna get the Runners,
Speaker 1: gonna get another week off. But I'll tell you what though,
Speaker 1: that that his health is paramount for them to have
Speaker 1: some success Cowboys. When you think about where the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are healthwise, Okay, they are in pretty good shape going
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. I mean they're getting guys back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we really don't know how banged up Suahilo is.
Speaker 1: That's a starter at left guard for you in this game.
Speaker 1: And Jason did say I think post game they felt
Speaker 1: like he maybe could have come back in the game.
Speaker 1: Make you he was taped up, But I just encouraging. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, practice all week, I mean, swell
Speaker 1: up on him today. Yeah, exactly. It's a good point.
Speaker 1: Short week. Well, Vanders Williams get out there. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you do have a guy that started however,
Speaker 1: many games in games for you. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: just I could say, I don't I don't fear anybody
Speaker 1: in this I don't fear anybody in the NFC. I
Speaker 1: really don't. I mean, you could say the Saints playing
Speaker 1: at the Dome, there is a huge advantage the fact
Speaker 1: you catch Seattle on the road here, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, they have to come here, I think is
Speaker 1: I think it makes the game very equal. There are
Speaker 1: no gimmis, but there are no games that you look
Speaker 1: at and say we can't win, I'll take my chances
Speaker 1: playing the Rams again. I'll say that, I'll take my chances.
Speaker 1: You know, the Saints. The Saints in their mind have
Speaker 1: got to know, wait a minute now, this team that
Speaker 1: kind of slowed us down a little bit, Drew Brees
Speaker 1: has got to think, well, we'll pass rush again. You know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Randy White is on our Cowboys pregame show
Speaker 1: on Sunday. We were talking about it after the show
Speaker 1: yesterday morning, all right, and Randy just brought it up. Okay,
Speaker 1: this picked the quarterbacks. Okay, yeah, the way the way
Speaker 1: he looks at it is picked the better quarterback is
Speaker 1: gonna win the game. Yeah, pretty good matchup here, Dak
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson. Yeah, but Drew Brees is the one quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean in the in the past, you would have
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers with the Packers. Sure, okay, you don't want
Speaker 1: to face him, right, Okay, well you don't want to
Speaker 1: face Drew Brees. No, you know, golf, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'll take a chance Trubisky with Chica, you know, Falls
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. Who, Yeah, who's gonna play Falls? Or
Speaker 1: is or is Carson wentz gonna play right on the
Speaker 1: AFC side. You got my homes and you got Brady
Speaker 1: and they got first round Buys Rivers, an old salty veteran,
Speaker 1: you got Luck. Yeah, but they screwed him. They got
Speaker 1: to play across the country to play a game against Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that they did them no favors early games. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they have no respect for the Chargers. Pretty good quarterbacks
Speaker 1: over on that AFC set, Sure there are sure, and
Speaker 1: there'll be a good one in the court in the
Speaker 1: super Bowl when you get over there. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what it's all about. How would you like to bend
Speaker 1: in the room last night trying to figure out which
Speaker 1: network was going to get which game and who was
Speaker 1: going to play win? You know? The tricky thing on
Speaker 1: that this time is that NBC has the Golden Globes
Speaker 1: on Sunday night, and so obviously NBC. NBC normally has
Speaker 1: a Sunday night game, honestly, And I don't know how
Speaker 1: the workings are on their contract, as they spent so
Speaker 1: much money on that Sunday night football pack. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they still they wound up getting the Sunday late game,
Speaker 1: which is highly unusual. For that Sunday light. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and so I don't know how it worked out because
Speaker 1: Fox then got the Saturday Night game, which put the
Speaker 1: Cowboys on Saturday Night. See that's what I was talking
Speaker 1: to some guys that they're in No but Fox out
Speaker 1: in California, and they were saying they left the studio
Speaker 1: yesterday not knowing what game they were going to get,
Speaker 1: and they go, that is highly he goes that. My
Speaker 1: guy goes, that has never happened to us, never happened.
Speaker 1: We usually know by the time we do, by time
Speaker 1: we wrap up, what direction we're going to go in.
Speaker 1: So they didn't know. So if if they insisted on
Speaker 1: taking the Cowboys, you think the trade off was, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can have the Cowboys, but you're getting Saturday Night,
Speaker 1: not Saturday at an NBC wants a lead into the
Speaker 1: NBC wants into the Golden Globes, and so that probably
Speaker 1: is a big factor. Yeah, because we're all thinking, if
Speaker 1: if NBC gets the Cowboys, it's the Saturday night game, right,
Speaker 1: see exactly what I thought. See the thing too with Fox,
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of money on the Thursday night
Speaker 1: package and they took that, you know, they took that
Speaker 1: on and and they were The league was like, listen,
Speaker 1: please do something for us, and they did and they did,
Speaker 1: and they and Fox went into that thinking, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: gonna give us first choice of this game. Well that's
Speaker 1: and that's the thing it's like, And not just because
Speaker 1: I work here, but if you do have DIBs on
Speaker 1: picking a playoff game here, aren't you gonna pick the
Speaker 1: Cowboys from a radio fam Definitely, especially if you'll we
Speaker 1: have one game. NBC was only gets did they get
Speaker 1: one game or two games? One game one ESPN as
Speaker 1: the early game Saturday, which is and then when they
Speaker 1: go to divisional though, they get another game? Or does
Speaker 1: that turn into Fox and CBS because the ESPN only
Speaker 1: gets one game? And I thought that I thought they
Speaker 1: got they get the wild card and see right, I
Speaker 1: think you're right, but I'm yeah, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: I just knew that my guys had Fox. When they
Speaker 1: left Los Angeles studio last night, they said that had
Speaker 1: never happened to them. They always knew that what games
Speaker 1: they were gonna happen. And there was a lot of
Speaker 1: people when we were leaving the stadium going, oh, NBC
Speaker 1: is gonna get this game. Yeah, you know the other
Speaker 1: factor that you know, philadel if you getting in, may
Speaker 1: have factored into it because it's a large market, and
Speaker 1: so I Philadelphia playing Chicago probably tip the scales one
Speaker 1: way or the other. And why they didn't they were
Speaker 1: waiting to see if Philadelphia was going to get in,
Speaker 1: probably and being the defending champs that made that a
Speaker 1: much more attractive game. Nothing against Minnesota, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not the same size market that Philadelphia is, right,
Speaker 1: all right? That does it for a Black Monday or
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