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Speaker 2: This is a Patriots unfiltered emergency podcast.

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Speaker 4: All right, it is an emergency podcast. It's a Monday

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Speaker 4: here at Jillette Stadium, and we had our black Monday

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Speaker 4: on Sunday night.

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Speaker 5: We did.

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Speaker 4: As everyone who is watching listening already knows, Gerrod Mayo

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Speaker 4: was fired as head coach of the New England Patriots

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Speaker 4: last night, approximately an hour after the game. It was

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Speaker 4: a statement released by the Patriots, and we are here

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Speaker 4: today because we're going to talk about that, but also

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Speaker 4: we're going to lead you into a one pm live

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Speaker 4: press conference with the owner CEO of the team Robert Craft,

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Speaker 4: who will be addressing the media, and I assume he's

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Speaker 4: So we'll take that live during this show, and then

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Speaker 4: as soon as it wraps up, we'll go back to

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Speaker 4: you and we'll take reaction from.

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Speaker 5: That, and that I think will be the most interesting

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Speaker 5: part to see what Robert Craft has to say, and

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Speaker 5: you know, we'll react to all that. Still kind of

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Speaker 5: you know that there's a suddenness to it that's surprising.

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Speaker 5: I think it was sort of heading trending in that

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Speaker 5: still it's it's it's just the suddenness even now what

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Speaker 5: kind of jarring. And you know, it was in the

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Speaker 5: middle of our show, our post game show last night,

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Speaker 5: and just to you know, to hear the finality of

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Speaker 5: it after one season, disappointing, but you know, not terribly surprising.

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Speaker 5: Just uh. I guess that the one surprising part is

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Speaker 5: that it happened Sunday and not yeah, Monday, which I

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Speaker 5: don't really get the difference. I know a lot of

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Speaker 5: people have been like, oh, no, it seems really cold. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't you know, what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, we've had some people say it's cold, other

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Speaker 4: people like the swiftness of it. You know, I think

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Speaker 4: people have different opinions on that. But you know, like

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Speaker 4: we we talked about it last night, it shouldn't come

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Speaker 4: You know, we went in, We went into this wondering, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this power? And really there was no answer to that

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Speaker 5: And what had gotten better, you know, at this of

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Speaker 4: And then as we got into December, what improved? And

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Speaker 4: there was no good answer to that either. And you

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Speaker 4: we've talked about it before. It's called fail fast. It

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Speaker 4: mostly in the tech world they use that, but I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that said. You know, there are some

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Speaker 4: And I said last night, I said, other than the

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Speaker 4: sad about this whole thing is Robert Kraft because good

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Speaker 5: And Robert really, you know, he went on a limb.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you. You know, it was on Robert.

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Speaker 5: So I do think he probably took it hard, you know.

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Speaker 5: And I think we said this last night. The easy

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Speaker 5: The hard thing to do is what they did. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So nothing it's official from the team, but there's a

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, because because they won last day.

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Speaker 4: Won there, they've got to buy, so they're not playing

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Speaker 5: So that was Albert Breer, by the way, I saw

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Speaker 4: Tony Pellisaro had it okay, So uh, they'll do that.

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Speaker 4: And I guess I already heard that they're going to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I would expect there to be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know, like how you do those interviews.

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Speaker 4: It's structure. Who do you want to bring with you?

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Speaker 5: What what you what would you say look like like

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Speaker 4: First thing I do is, I'd introduce myself. Here's where

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Speaker 4: No, but somebody, somebody I was talking to somebody and

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Speaker 5: And you find that out by talking, Like the interview

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Speaker 4: Question exactly, you know, and you know you can say,

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Speaker 4: Well that's one way of doing it. But I also

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Speaker 5: You know, you know his quirkiness too.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's his own guy. He's genuine. So there's

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Speaker 5: I totally agree. And I like the way you talk

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Speaker 4: It wasn't enough in the end. You know, you go

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Speaker 4: You know, when Bill came, he brought Bears with him,

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Speaker 5: And to your point about when you're interviewing the guy, right,

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Speaker 5: who are you bringing with you, Mike, you these are

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Speaker 5: Who do you planning on bringing with you? You know,

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Speaker 4: Yep. So those that supports staff is vitally important to

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Speaker 5: If not too it could be a two day.

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Speaker 8: It's back from the locker room.

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Speaker 9: What was the mood where the players friendly to that

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Speaker 7: thank you. You know, heard from Dietrich Wise, who obviously

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Speaker 4: Well it's been you know, twenty four twenty five years

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I get that. And I think with Mike

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Speaker 5: he lacked experience in that that ultimately brought him down.

434
00:21:31,313 --> 00:21:34,874
Speaker 5: But I understand why people, especially from Afar, like if

435
00:21:34,874 --> 00:21:38,473
Speaker 5: you're here every day and you're hearing every like if

436
00:21:38,513 --> 00:21:44,673
Speaker 5: you're a national guy and you look and say, hey, Fred,

437
00:21:44,833 --> 00:21:46,833
Speaker 5: you know I heard this like some stuff going on

438
00:21:46,874 --> 00:21:50,394
Speaker 5: in New England that you know, what was that thing about?

439
00:21:50,593 --> 00:21:53,194
Speaker 5: You know the fan? You know the fans. Oh, well,

440
00:21:53,394 --> 00:21:56,833
Speaker 5: like Johnny Tevai admit mentioned that the fans weren't qualified

441
00:21:56,874 --> 00:22:00,754
Speaker 5: to critique. If you're like a national guy, you'd be like,

442
00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:04,394
Speaker 5: that's it right, Well, you know, no, you don't really understand.

443
00:22:04,553 --> 00:22:07,674
Speaker 5: It's like in a season's worth of you know, sort

444
00:22:07,714 --> 00:22:09,593
Speaker 5: of missteps and that just was the latest one, you

445
00:22:09,593 --> 00:22:12,434
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like, yeah, it's not these these

446
00:22:12,513 --> 00:22:16,313
Speaker 5: all these little things aren't the reason why was gone. Yeah,

447
00:22:16,434 --> 00:22:18,714
Speaker 5: I think if you look at the totality, and certainly

448
00:22:19,194 --> 00:22:21,473
Speaker 5: he's not gone because they went four and thirteen. Now

449
00:22:21,553 --> 00:22:24,793
Speaker 5: because I don't think that's a terribly surprising result for

450
00:22:24,833 --> 00:22:26,953
Speaker 5: the season. I just think there was a lot of

451
00:22:26,994 --> 00:22:29,393
Speaker 5: factors that came in, both on and off the field,

452
00:22:29,714 --> 00:22:33,273
Speaker 5: And to your point that you started with the lack

453
00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:36,713
Speaker 5: of progress, the lack of hope and improvement, you know,

454
00:22:36,793 --> 00:22:39,474
Speaker 5: as you went on, is probably why we are now.

455
00:22:39,513 --> 00:22:43,474
Speaker 4: Apparently Wolfe had an interview with somebody, He talked to

456
00:22:43,513 --> 00:22:48,954
Speaker 4: somebody on record.

457
00:22:45,073 --> 00:22:45,153
Speaker 6: And.

458
00:22:47,234 --> 00:22:50,473
Speaker 4: One of the quotes that stood out to me was,

459
00:22:50,793 --> 00:22:53,393
Speaker 4: you know, it was the mia Kolpa, we have to

460
00:22:53,394 --> 00:22:56,234
Speaker 4: do better. We didn't do enough. But he also said

461
00:22:56,273 --> 00:23:00,634
Speaker 4: we expected more internal development when it came from the players.

462
00:23:01,114 --> 00:23:03,553
Speaker 4: So to me, that's an indictment on the coaches right.

463
00:23:03,513 --> 00:23:06,273
Speaker 7: Specifically the lide receivers, specifically the lide receivers. I think

464
00:23:06,313 --> 00:23:09,114
Speaker 7: Jalen Polki mentioned he thought plug and play kind of player,

465
00:23:09,154 --> 00:23:11,073
Speaker 7: and I think that's what we kind of saw this summer.

466
00:23:11,154 --> 00:23:14,074
Speaker 7: So that's that's one area where we spend so much

467
00:23:14,114 --> 00:23:16,714
Speaker 7: time trying to is it the player? Did they draft

468
00:23:16,954 --> 00:23:19,593
Speaker 7: the wrong player, did they not develop the player? You know,

469
00:23:19,593 --> 00:23:21,433
Speaker 7: at least as far as this interview was concerned, they

470
00:23:21,434 --> 00:23:22,713
Speaker 7: were pointing more towards the development.

471
00:23:22,914 --> 00:23:25,593
Speaker 5: But I made that comment last week. You know, it's great,

472
00:23:25,634 --> 00:23:28,474
Speaker 5: and I think the philosophy is very sound, like to say,

473
00:23:28,553 --> 00:23:31,273
Speaker 5: we want to be a draft and developing team, but

474
00:23:31,353 --> 00:23:33,113
Speaker 5: you need to do both of those parts. And I

475
00:23:33,194 --> 00:23:36,393
Speaker 5: just I find it impossible to believe that all of

476
00:23:36,394 --> 00:23:39,074
Speaker 5: these failed draft picks at the Patriots had, let's just say,

477
00:23:39,073 --> 00:23:41,793
Speaker 5: over the last five years, none of them could play.

478
00:23:42,114 --> 00:23:45,354
Speaker 5: I find that impossible to believe that they just whiffed

479
00:23:45,353 --> 00:23:48,073
Speaker 5: so much on these draft picks that none of them

480
00:23:48,073 --> 00:23:50,954
Speaker 5: could play. I think that at least, you know, some

481
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,313
Speaker 5: of these guys were let down by the lack of development.

482
00:23:54,353 --> 00:23:56,473
Speaker 5: Now it's on the players too, like they have to

483
00:23:56,513 --> 00:23:59,513
Speaker 5: develop on their own, but I think that they not

484
00:23:59,593 --> 00:24:01,033
Speaker 5: all of these guys were put in the position.

485
00:24:01,073 --> 00:24:03,834
Speaker 4: It's find it equally hard to believe that any one

486
00:24:03,914 --> 00:24:07,594
Speaker 4: team just gets lucky every year. No, there's probably.

487
00:24:07,234 --> 00:24:10,394
Speaker 5: More to it, right, There's more to the Steelers year

488
00:24:10,434 --> 00:24:13,553
Speaker 5: after year after year finding gems for wide receivers in

489
00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:16,354
Speaker 5: the fourth and sixth round. There's more to that than

490
00:24:16,474 --> 00:24:18,193
Speaker 5: just the players that they're picking.

491
00:24:18,353 --> 00:24:18,593
Speaker 4: Right.

492
00:24:18,714 --> 00:24:20,353
Speaker 7: I think I've seen too from these last couple of

493
00:24:20,394 --> 00:24:22,754
Speaker 7: seasons is how things snowball. And I mean I've seen

494
00:24:22,793 --> 00:24:26,194
Speaker 7: it snowball in the bad direction. Certainly the year I'm

495
00:24:26,234 --> 00:24:28,353
Speaker 7: sure you guys could probably speak more towards snowballing in

496
00:24:28,394 --> 00:24:30,073
Speaker 7: a good way. Like, you know, it was things started

497
00:24:30,073 --> 00:24:32,313
Speaker 7: going good and then you just start getting the breaks.

498
00:24:32,313 --> 00:24:34,553
Speaker 7: And this was a team and a season across the

499
00:24:34,553 --> 00:24:36,393
Speaker 7: board they just couldn't seem to get the breaks and

500
00:24:36,634 --> 00:24:39,353
Speaker 7: everything that seemed to go wrong went wrong, including you know,

501
00:24:39,513 --> 00:24:41,553
Speaker 7: kind of winning the last game of the season when.

502
00:24:41,593 --> 00:24:43,633
Speaker 4: But when you're a bad team, you don't get the breaks.

503
00:24:43,833 --> 00:24:45,954
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, but he's right, like, because I

504
00:24:45,954 --> 00:24:48,194
Speaker 5: think this, We've sat here a million times and be

505
00:24:48,353 --> 00:24:51,273
Speaker 5: like geez, you know, like remember when we you know,

506
00:24:51,674 --> 00:24:53,793
Speaker 5: let's just go to the one of the most famous ones,

507
00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:57,673
Speaker 5: you know, like we're onto Cincinnati. Like it's hard to

508
00:24:57,754 --> 00:25:00,033
Speaker 5: think back and just think the amount of sort of

509
00:25:00,634 --> 00:25:04,234
Speaker 5: angst in despair or you had after getting buried in

510
00:25:04,313 --> 00:25:06,313
Speaker 5: Kansas City and the Monday night it was over, I

511
00:25:06,353 --> 00:25:08,674
Speaker 5: mean like two and two was the window closed. Yeah,

512
00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:11,593
Speaker 5: you know, if Freddy Kursh window closed, got to get Garoppolo.

513
00:25:11,714 --> 00:25:14,273
Speaker 5: But you know, and it's easy to sit back and say,

514
00:25:14,273 --> 00:25:17,033
Speaker 5: well that was silly, Yeah, because all of a sudden

515
00:25:17,073 --> 00:25:20,513
Speaker 5: you win one game and Gronk is like half in

516
00:25:20,634 --> 00:25:22,913
Speaker 5: tears talking about Brady. I wanted to I wanted to

517
00:25:22,914 --> 00:25:26,553
Speaker 5: make sure a twelve look like twelve again. And it's snowballs,

518
00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:29,194
Speaker 5: to use Mike's word, and all of a sudden, you're

519
00:25:29,234 --> 00:25:31,994
Speaker 5: just roll through the season and you'll win another super

520
00:25:31,994 --> 00:25:35,833
Speaker 5: Bowl and it's just a mere footnote. Unfortunately, it's happened

521
00:25:35,874 --> 00:25:38,474
Speaker 5: the other way. Yeah, it has in the last couple

522
00:25:38,513 --> 00:25:38,914
Speaker 5: of years.

523
00:25:38,954 --> 00:25:40,594
Speaker 7: And I think that's, you know, getting back to your

524
00:25:40,714 --> 00:25:43,314
Speaker 7: earlier point. When a new coach comes in here, how

525
00:25:43,313 --> 00:25:44,914
Speaker 7: do you identify the right guys? How do you re

526
00:25:45,073 --> 00:25:47,994
Speaker 7: establish a winning culture? Because I think especially Tetrich Wise,

527
00:25:48,073 --> 00:25:51,153
Speaker 7: Jonathan Jones, We've mentioned their contracts are up, but you know,

528
00:25:51,394 --> 00:25:54,154
Speaker 7: these things, even this the losing culture kind of snowballs.

529
00:25:54,154 --> 00:25:55,954
Speaker 7: And now the majority of the guys that are leaders

530
00:25:55,994 --> 00:25:57,673
Speaker 7: on this team, they don't know what it's like.

531
00:25:58,553 --> 00:26:00,194
Speaker 5: And a lot of these guys are going to be back.

532
00:26:00,313 --> 00:26:03,553
Speaker 4: Yeah, so back to the locker room.

533
00:26:04,394 --> 00:26:07,073
Speaker 7: A lot of media, tons of media, tons of media

534
00:26:07,394 --> 00:26:08,634
Speaker 7: cameras everywhere, so.

535
00:26:08,593 --> 00:26:10,714
Speaker 4: They allow cameras in the actual locker room.

536
00:26:10,754 --> 00:26:12,994
Speaker 7: Today, cameras are back in in the actual locker room

537
00:26:12,994 --> 00:26:14,434
Speaker 7: and it's just uh, I mean, to be honest, it

538
00:26:14,513 --> 00:26:16,593
Speaker 7: kind of added to the stress of the day because

539
00:26:16,833 --> 00:26:18,513
Speaker 7: you got a lot of players, a lot of bags,

540
00:26:18,513 --> 00:26:21,513
Speaker 7: a lot of team staff pushing you know, carts through

541
00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:24,033
Speaker 7: loading things. I mean, it's just it's a lot of

542
00:26:24,073 --> 00:26:26,593
Speaker 7: track hole and a little cold. That's definitely cold out

543
00:26:26,593 --> 00:26:29,634
Speaker 7: in the hallway. Uh. But you see what a complex

544
00:26:29,714 --> 00:26:31,433
Speaker 7: day this is just not just for like, hey, we

545
00:26:31,434 --> 00:26:33,274
Speaker 7: got to say goodbye to the players. It's like they're

546
00:26:33,313 --> 00:26:35,834
Speaker 7: packing stuff up, they're getting ready to you know, to go,

547
00:26:35,914 --> 00:26:38,673
Speaker 7: and I just I feel, I really feel for a

548
00:26:38,674 --> 00:26:40,513
Speaker 7: lot of the lower level staffer kind of guys that

549
00:26:40,553 --> 00:26:42,313
Speaker 7: we get to know that we see, you know, behind

550
00:26:42,313 --> 00:26:45,714
Speaker 7: the scenes that you know nobody sees, but just they're

551
00:26:45,754 --> 00:26:48,234
Speaker 7: on uncertainty right now. I don't know what their future holds.

552
00:26:48,234 --> 00:26:50,633
Speaker 4: And that any coaches walking through or anything.

553
00:26:50,634 --> 00:26:51,114
Speaker 3: I did sow.

554
00:26:51,114 --> 00:26:54,234
Speaker 7: Brian Belichick came through, shook some hands, said hello to Evan,

555
00:26:54,833 --> 00:26:58,034
Speaker 7: so he was he was present, and I don't think

556
00:26:58,073 --> 00:27:00,073
Speaker 7: I I have a fierce I know he's not a

557
00:27:00,073 --> 00:27:03,434
Speaker 7: coach anymore, but he was in there. But no, otherwise

558
00:27:03,474 --> 00:27:05,234
Speaker 7: I didn't I didn't I didn't clock any of.

559
00:27:05,194 --> 00:27:06,994
Speaker 4: The other coaches I mean, you bring up Brian, that's

560
00:27:07,073 --> 00:27:08,394
Speaker 4: gonna be an interesting one.

561
00:27:08,553 --> 00:27:08,834
Speaker 7: I know.

562
00:27:08,914 --> 00:27:10,353
Speaker 4: You know what, what what does he do do? Is

563
00:27:10,394 --> 00:27:12,633
Speaker 4: you go to North Carolina, which I would assume I

564
00:27:12,634 --> 00:27:16,074
Speaker 4: wouldn't go, Like if I was him, Man, chart your

565
00:27:16,073 --> 00:27:19,833
Speaker 4: own course. Yeah, you know, stay in the NFL. Somebody

566
00:27:19,874 --> 00:27:24,194
Speaker 4: will hire you. I think I don't know. The safety's

567
00:27:24,273 --> 00:27:26,633
Speaker 4: kind of fell apart at the him there, But like

568
00:27:26,714 --> 00:27:28,594
Speaker 4: for the most part over the last couple of years,

569
00:27:28,593 --> 00:27:30,114
Speaker 4: I think he's done a pretty good job back.

570
00:27:30,313 --> 00:27:34,274
Speaker 5: I think he stayed here in New England because this

571
00:27:34,353 --> 00:27:36,914
Speaker 5: is where his home is, and I know that he's

572
00:27:36,914 --> 00:27:39,234
Speaker 5: got a young family, and I think it made all

573
00:27:39,273 --> 00:27:40,473
Speaker 5: the sense in the world. But if he's not going

574
00:27:40,513 --> 00:27:42,273
Speaker 5: to be back with the Patriots now, if he has

575
00:27:42,313 --> 00:27:44,674
Speaker 5: an opportunity to be back with the Patriots, I would

576
00:27:44,754 --> 00:27:45,273
Speaker 5: agree with you.

577
00:27:45,474 --> 00:27:47,954
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's going to be up to the new coach.

578
00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:51,153
Speaker 5: Right, there's no guarantees there. My guess is he'll go

579
00:27:51,194 --> 00:27:54,113
Speaker 5: back with North Carolina like Steve did. And I wouldn't

580
00:27:54,114 --> 00:27:55,914
Speaker 5: be surprised if Mike Pellegrino went with him.

581
00:27:56,154 --> 00:27:57,553
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, maybe Covington.

582
00:27:58,273 --> 00:28:00,713
Speaker 4: And how about you know you mentioned support staff. There

583
00:28:00,714 --> 00:28:04,513
Speaker 4: could be support staff scouts, other people that.

584
00:28:05,394 --> 00:28:09,634
Speaker 5: A lot of you know, personnel guys, nutrition staff, training staff.

585
00:28:10,114 --> 00:28:13,714
Speaker 5: There's a lot of different tentacles of the organization that

586
00:28:14,154 --> 00:28:16,754
Speaker 5: was still here when Bill was here. I wouldn't be

587
00:28:16,754 --> 00:28:17,954
Speaker 5: surprised if they had some.

588
00:28:18,033 --> 00:28:21,114
Speaker 7: You know, amazing to see, I mean down the road

589
00:28:21,154 --> 00:28:23,874
Speaker 7: when everything's hired. Is like just a chart of like

590
00:28:24,234 --> 00:28:26,674
Speaker 7: here's what the staff looks like in twenty twenty three,

591
00:28:27,073 --> 00:28:28,754
Speaker 7: Here's what the staff looked like in twenty twenty four,

592
00:28:28,793 --> 00:28:30,553
Speaker 7: Here's what it looked like in twenty twenty five. Just

593
00:28:30,593 --> 00:28:34,273
Speaker 7: for size, you know, experience of the different you know

594
00:28:34,874 --> 00:28:37,073
Speaker 7: with the scouting. Did the scouting staff kind of stay

595
00:28:37,154 --> 00:28:39,674
Speaker 7: the same? Does it change now? Like how big of

596
00:28:39,714 --> 00:28:42,274
Speaker 7: a wholesale change are we talking about this year? Are

597
00:28:42,274 --> 00:28:44,153
Speaker 7: there going to be a lot of holdovers? Are there not?

598
00:28:44,274 --> 00:28:47,714
Speaker 4: Well? You know, and who was it might have been Breer,

599
00:28:47,794 --> 00:28:51,234
Speaker 4: But a lot of people have used the word antiquated

600
00:28:51,754 --> 00:28:55,113
Speaker 4: with how the patriots are running things? Where are the

601
00:28:55,114 --> 00:28:58,514
Speaker 4: people you know, because in the past build it a lot.

602
00:28:58,554 --> 00:29:00,554
Speaker 4: But like we talked about it before you got here,

603
00:29:00,594 --> 00:29:03,274
Speaker 4: he had help, he had bears, and he had Ernie

604
00:29:03,314 --> 00:29:06,714
Speaker 4: and other people supporting him. But certainly it wasn't the

605
00:29:06,714 --> 00:29:08,754
Speaker 4: big staff that a lot of these other teams have.

606
00:29:09,634 --> 00:29:13,674
Speaker 4: I noticed that this year when Jiraid came in, there

607
00:29:13,674 --> 00:29:20,474
Speaker 4: were some let's say upgrades and just for example travel,

608
00:29:20,914 --> 00:29:23,113
Speaker 4: you know, they instituted an app that I know a

609
00:29:23,114 --> 00:29:25,954
Speaker 4: lot of other teams use. The person who who brought

610
00:29:25,954 --> 00:29:27,754
Speaker 4: it to us came from the cults. It's what they

611
00:29:27,954 --> 00:29:30,914
Speaker 4: and it organized the whole travel process for the players.

612
00:29:31,234 --> 00:29:33,873
Speaker 4: So in one app, it told him here's your room,

613
00:29:34,114 --> 00:29:37,514
Speaker 4: here's your here's the flight, here's your seat, here's the

614
00:29:37,554 --> 00:29:40,994
Speaker 4: meeting times at the hotel. Everything was in the app,

615
00:29:41,394 --> 00:29:44,113
Speaker 4: you know, and we I even had access to it

616
00:29:44,114 --> 00:29:47,594
Speaker 4: because did you get that to Yeah, it was called TeamWorks.

617
00:29:47,634 --> 00:29:51,714
Speaker 4: It's something that a lot of teams use, and you know,

618
00:29:53,274 --> 00:29:56,154
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four is the first time that this was used,

619
00:29:56,154 --> 00:29:58,954
Speaker 4: but other teams have been using that for a few

620
00:29:59,034 --> 00:30:02,953
Speaker 4: years now. But it's just one small example of there

621
00:30:02,954 --> 00:30:05,234
Speaker 4: were a lot of things that we just kind of

622
00:30:05,274 --> 00:30:07,834
Speaker 4: did because we'd already always been doing it that way

623
00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:11,194
Speaker 4: that could could use an upgrade of refreshing, you know.

624
00:30:11,874 --> 00:30:13,794
Speaker 5: Helped me out because I know you were involved in this,

625
00:30:13,874 --> 00:30:17,834
Speaker 5: but didn't we When Matt Patricia came back to the organization.

626
00:30:18,834 --> 00:30:22,394
Speaker 5: You know, after leaving Detroit, didn't he, with your help,

627
00:30:22,674 --> 00:30:27,314
Speaker 5: sort of institute some sort of program that helped with scouting.

628
00:30:27,394 --> 00:30:29,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, a long time ago.

629
00:30:29,314 --> 00:30:30,994
Speaker 5: It wasn't that long. It was like four or five

630
00:30:31,074 --> 00:30:33,794
Speaker 5: years now. It was longer than that when Patricia originally

631
00:30:33,794 --> 00:30:35,554
Speaker 5: came back from de No.

632
00:30:35,674 --> 00:30:37,554
Speaker 4: But we started that before he came.

633
00:30:38,194 --> 00:30:40,554
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, maybe I'm thinking of something different then.

634
00:30:40,634 --> 00:30:40,674
Speaker 6: No.

635
00:30:40,794 --> 00:30:44,594
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm not talking out of school here,

636
00:30:44,634 --> 00:30:49,754
Speaker 4: but no, I think our scouting database and you know

637
00:30:50,074 --> 00:30:54,873
Speaker 4: system was really antiquated, and so I was asked to

638
00:30:54,914 --> 00:30:57,673
Speaker 4: sit in on some meetings to bring in some of

639
00:30:57,714 --> 00:31:00,193
Speaker 4: the developers that I had worked with in the past

640
00:31:00,514 --> 00:31:03,354
Speaker 4: to bring this up to date. You know. Uh.

641
00:31:03,474 --> 00:31:06,393
Speaker 5: So there was so blame that to blame the drafting

642
00:31:06,394 --> 00:31:06,794
Speaker 5: on friends.

643
00:31:09,754 --> 00:31:11,554
Speaker 4: So there was a series of meetings where I kind

644
00:31:11,554 --> 00:31:17,034
Speaker 4: of laison these this you know, software development company. Uh,

645
00:31:17,074 --> 00:31:19,514
Speaker 4: and the Scouts were involved. Belichick was in in one

646
00:31:19,554 --> 00:31:21,674
Speaker 4: of the meetings and went to about three or four

647
00:31:21,714 --> 00:31:23,994
Speaker 4: before Bill so yc here and I got kicked out.

648
00:31:24,354 --> 00:31:27,394
Speaker 4: But they continued with it, and they they did develop

649
00:31:27,474 --> 00:31:29,913
Speaker 4: that system. I don't know, but that was it was

650
00:31:29,954 --> 00:31:31,594
Speaker 4: more than four or five years ago, so I don't

651
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Speaker 4: know what they're using today.

652
00:31:33,114 --> 00:31:35,913
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like they've made some steps, you know,

653
00:31:35,954 --> 00:31:38,113
Speaker 7: including the new facility that's going to come in. But

654
00:31:38,154 --> 00:31:40,074
Speaker 7: I guess the hope would be that the new coach

655
00:31:40,154 --> 00:31:42,194
Speaker 7: is going to come in who has been in other

656
00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:46,154
Speaker 7: NFL organizations and will further push that along and bring

657
00:31:46,194 --> 00:31:47,914
Speaker 7: you know, look, this is how we need to structure

658
00:31:47,954 --> 00:31:50,234
Speaker 7: our scouting department now. And you know where I was

659
00:31:50,274 --> 00:31:53,234
Speaker 7: in place, b This is you know, how we managed things.

660
00:31:53,034 --> 00:31:55,514
Speaker 5: With things from the different places that you were that

661
00:31:55,554 --> 00:31:57,674
Speaker 5: you thought worked and some of the things that this

662
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Speaker 5: is my whole point of conduct a thorough search, Yeah,

663
00:32:01,154 --> 00:32:04,434
Speaker 5: because you never know what ideas might be something. Hey,

664
00:32:04,474 --> 00:32:05,674
Speaker 5: I never thought of doing it.

665
00:32:05,594 --> 00:32:08,354
Speaker 7: That way gather information, which was a huge disadvantage for

666
00:32:08,434 --> 00:32:10,954
Speaker 7: Girod because you know he kind of saw how Bill

667
00:32:11,034 --> 00:32:13,754
Speaker 7: did it, and you know, maybe in hindsight he could

668
00:32:13,754 --> 00:32:15,794
Speaker 7: have said, geez, I could have used more.

669
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Speaker 4: Help at optimal. We kind of like like all he

670
00:32:20,314 --> 00:32:22,154
Speaker 4: knew was here, yeah right now, and that's say it

671
00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:24,074
Speaker 4: was like a sheltered child.

672
00:32:23,914 --> 00:32:23,994
Speaker 6: And.

673
00:32:25,554 --> 00:32:27,393
Speaker 7: I mean we said it it was. It was a

674
00:32:27,394 --> 00:32:28,714
Speaker 7: really tough task for him this year. I mean, I

675
00:32:28,754 --> 00:32:31,154
Speaker 7: don't want to downplay that. You know, he was given

676
00:32:31,194 --> 00:32:33,354
Speaker 7: an opportunity and didn't make the most of it. But

677
00:32:33,754 --> 00:32:35,193
Speaker 7: at the same time, I don't I don't know how

678
00:32:35,234 --> 00:32:36,794
Speaker 7: you can't look at him be like it's it was

679
00:32:36,834 --> 00:32:38,634
Speaker 7: a really tough for him to try to read that meeting.

680
00:32:38,714 --> 00:32:42,433
Speaker 4: I feel real bad for him, I really do so,

681
00:32:42,994 --> 00:32:44,714
Speaker 4: but it is what it is. It had to be done.

682
00:32:44,834 --> 00:32:46,193
Speaker 7: Yeah, that had to be the NFL.

683
00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:49,954
Speaker 4: But you know, if it's somebody like a Vrabel, he

684
00:32:50,074 --> 00:32:53,714
Speaker 4: was here obviously as a player Ohio State, so we

685
00:32:53,754 --> 00:32:56,874
Speaker 4: saw how a college game worked a little bit. He

686
00:32:57,034 --> 00:32:58,874
Speaker 4: was then he went.

687
00:32:58,794 --> 00:33:01,113
Speaker 5: Over to Houston Houston as.

688
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Speaker 7: The d C.

689
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Speaker 4: Then he went to the Titans, and then this year

690
00:33:04,234 --> 00:33:08,434
Speaker 4: he spent as a consultant with you know, the with Cleveland,

691
00:33:08,674 --> 00:33:11,754
Speaker 4: and I guess it's reported that he focused on offense,

692
00:33:12,194 --> 00:33:14,194
Speaker 4: like trying to learn, and.

693
00:33:14,274 --> 00:33:16,873
Speaker 5: I think he spent like training camp with the offensive

694
00:33:16,914 --> 00:33:18,794
Speaker 5: line and the season with tight ends or maybe the

695
00:33:18,834 --> 00:33:21,913
Speaker 5: other way around. Yeah, but yeah, he's trying. I that

696
00:33:22,074 --> 00:33:23,834
Speaker 5: to me was the thing that impressed me the most

697
00:33:23,874 --> 00:33:27,714
Speaker 5: about what his season was was sort of recognizing I'm

698
00:33:27,754 --> 00:33:30,913
Speaker 5: considered to be a defensive coach and some people looking

699
00:33:30,994 --> 00:33:33,954
Speaker 5: for more than that, So I need to learn what

700
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

701
00:33:35,954 --> 00:33:36,754
Speaker 4: He's a smart guy.

702
00:33:36,914 --> 00:33:39,473
Speaker 5: So like with Ben Johnson, who's the other guy that

703
00:33:39,514 --> 00:33:44,114
Speaker 5: they have that there's been tweets about the Patriots requesting

704
00:33:44,874 --> 00:33:48,874
Speaker 5: he's been basically on the offensive side. So what does

705
00:33:48,914 --> 00:33:52,674
Speaker 5: he have in mind to help him with defense? Is

706
00:33:52,714 --> 00:33:57,194
Speaker 5: he going to do like the Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell

707
00:33:57,274 --> 00:33:59,994
Speaker 5: kind of thing. And I'm going to be head coach,

708
00:34:00,114 --> 00:34:01,714
Speaker 5: but I'm going to run the offense and I'm going

709
00:34:01,754 --> 00:34:06,034
Speaker 5: to hire and experienced Lou Lou and Romo is.

710
00:34:05,674 --> 00:34:09,034
Speaker 4: Speaking speaking of Lions. What a gag job by the

711
00:34:09,114 --> 00:34:12,114
Speaker 4: Vikings last night. So I was shocked that they didn't

712
00:34:12,154 --> 00:34:16,474
Speaker 4: put up the red zone so many times and couldn't

713
00:34:16,514 --> 00:34:17,114
Speaker 4: do anything.

714
00:34:17,314 --> 00:34:19,593
Speaker 5: And you know what, I thought, Detroit played really really

715
00:34:19,594 --> 00:34:22,314
Speaker 5: well defensively, But that wasn't about Detroit's defense in the

716
00:34:22,354 --> 00:34:25,873
Speaker 5: red zone. Like Donald just didn't play did not He

717
00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:29,354
Speaker 5: missed a wide open Jefferson like back to back plays,

718
00:34:30,554 --> 00:34:32,274
Speaker 5: you know, on one of those trips, and I thought

719
00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:35,114
Speaker 5: like the first time they get down there, like the

720
00:34:35,194 --> 00:34:37,033
Speaker 5: idea to go for the fourth down, I didn't think

721
00:34:37,034 --> 00:34:38,874
Speaker 5: made anything. They could have had the lead as badly

722
00:34:38,873 --> 00:34:40,754
Speaker 5: as they were playing, if they just kicked field gals.

723
00:34:40,794 --> 00:34:44,754
Speaker 4: No, you know, I don't want to get all they

724
00:34:44,834 --> 00:34:46,913
Speaker 4: talk about kind of a disappointing game. I just want

725
00:34:46,953 --> 00:34:47,794
Speaker 4: to disappointment.

726
00:34:47,834 --> 00:34:49,354
Speaker 5: But I give Detroit a lot of credit because I

727
00:34:49,354 --> 00:34:51,794
Speaker 5: didn't think they could win a game like that, you know,

728
00:34:51,834 --> 00:34:54,034
Speaker 5: with their defense playing so well. I thought there was

729
00:34:54,074 --> 00:34:56,674
Speaker 5: only one way that Detroit can win now, and that's

730
00:34:56,714 --> 00:34:59,914
Speaker 5: like in a shootout, and they won with Aaron Glenn.

731
00:34:59,994 --> 00:35:01,194
Speaker 5: Give him a lot of proper.

732
00:35:00,913 --> 00:35:03,274
Speaker 4: But everybody said, you gotta sign Sam Dalton.

733
00:35:03,473 --> 00:35:05,314
Speaker 5: Oh I still think that. I mean, he played that.

734
00:35:05,393 --> 00:35:05,794
Speaker 12: I don't know.

735
00:35:05,873 --> 00:35:07,993
Speaker 4: I think I think it's an open competition with him

736
00:35:08,034 --> 00:35:08,634
Speaker 4: and McCarthy.

737
00:35:08,714 --> 00:35:11,034
Speaker 5: Now, oh no, no, no, I'm not saying that Vikings

738
00:35:11,074 --> 00:35:13,713
Speaker 5: have to sign Sam Donald. But someone's got to sign Sam.

739
00:35:14,554 --> 00:35:17,314
Speaker 5: He's just starting quarterback. Like I'm not Ben Vollen. I

740
00:35:17,314 --> 00:35:19,354
Speaker 5: don't decide that the guy turned into a pumpkin because

741
00:35:19,354 --> 00:35:21,393
Speaker 5: he had one bad game. I don't ignore the other.

742
00:35:21,314 --> 00:35:22,473
Speaker 4: Six people will say that.

743
00:35:22,994 --> 00:35:23,553
Speaker 7: I know they were.

744
00:35:24,354 --> 00:35:26,513
Speaker 5: He was bad last He was a big part of

745
00:35:26,514 --> 00:35:27,834
Speaker 5: the reason why they lost last night.

746
00:35:27,873 --> 00:35:30,274
Speaker 4: He did not a missing Jefferson in that end zone back.

747
00:35:30,154 --> 00:35:33,113
Speaker 5: To back play he missed him to play before that too,

748
00:35:33,393 --> 00:35:35,234
Speaker 5: under the cross under the goal post. He threw it

749
00:35:35,274 --> 00:35:35,794
Speaker 5: over his head.

750
00:35:35,873 --> 00:35:38,314
Speaker 4: I know, I know that was too high. But at

751
00:35:38,393 --> 00:35:41,073
Speaker 4: least that one he had guys in front. The other

752
00:35:41,114 --> 00:35:42,113
Speaker 4: one was just just.

753
00:35:42,074 --> 00:35:44,074
Speaker 5: The other one lobbed in the other one was pitching catchy.

754
00:35:44,194 --> 00:35:46,513
Speaker 4: I don't know how he missed that anyway, Sorry to

755
00:35:46,913 --> 00:35:48,513
Speaker 4: you know, but that was well, this is.

756
00:35:48,514 --> 00:35:50,554
Speaker 5: What we do. I know we're talking about Ben Johnson.

757
00:35:50,634 --> 00:35:54,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we are awaiting a one o'clock press conference

758
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:57,473
Speaker 4: with Robert Craft where he's going to address the situation

759
00:35:57,794 --> 00:36:01,433
Speaker 4: and we think take questions from the media. We'll cover

760
00:36:01,554 --> 00:36:04,194
Speaker 4: that live on this show, so you don't have to

761
00:36:04,274 --> 00:36:07,554
Speaker 4: leave this show. One that codes live. So that's one o'clock,

762
00:36:07,594 --> 00:36:10,433
Speaker 4: one oh five, whenever it is, we'll go to that live, right,

763
00:36:10,473 --> 00:36:13,394
Speaker 4: Matt Morrell, you're all set, you're ready to go. Okay,

764
00:36:13,873 --> 00:36:15,834
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's going to have like an opening statement

765
00:36:15,873 --> 00:36:17,393
Speaker 4: and then he'll probably take questions.

766
00:36:17,594 --> 00:36:20,474
Speaker 5: No, Robert Craft, not Matt Morill. Matt Morrell. Matt Morrell.

767
00:36:22,154 --> 00:36:24,873
Speaker 4: So all right, so let's uh, let's get to some

768
00:36:24,953 --> 00:36:27,594
Speaker 4: of your calls and emails while we're waiting. We'll start

769
00:36:27,594 --> 00:36:30,834
Speaker 4: with the TPX hotline and if I can get this

770
00:36:30,953 --> 00:36:34,553
Speaker 4: mouse going, We'll start with Chris with a T, I

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Speaker 4: A N.

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Speaker 11: What's up Christian, Hey, guys, I'll be pretty quick. I

773
00:36:41,074 --> 00:36:44,954
Speaker 11: you know, obviously I'm happy with the decision, not not happy.

774
00:36:45,274 --> 00:36:48,473
Speaker 11: You know that that Mayo got dismissed, and really it

775
00:36:48,714 --> 00:36:50,913
Speaker 11: never really got a chance, you know, personally for him

776
00:36:50,953 --> 00:36:54,234
Speaker 11: and the staff to just to have a shot have

777
00:36:54,314 --> 00:36:58,714
Speaker 11: a second year at it. I know he had a

778
00:36:58,714 --> 00:37:01,113
Speaker 11: bad year in terms of media and the team didn't

779
00:37:01,114 --> 00:37:03,913
Speaker 11: get any better than players that developed, and he was

780
00:37:03,913 --> 00:37:07,673
Speaker 11: putting a tough spot. At the end of the day, though,

781
00:37:07,714 --> 00:37:09,834
Speaker 11: the Crafts are here to win, and I really like

782
00:37:09,913 --> 00:37:14,513
Speaker 11: the statement about getting back and expedit, you know, the

783
00:37:14,913 --> 00:37:18,393
Speaker 11: process and getting back to a championship level. What I'm

784
00:37:18,433 --> 00:37:22,553
Speaker 11: really disappointed in is that they won yesterday and not

785
00:37:22,674 --> 00:37:26,154
Speaker 11: necessarily that they lose the the first pick in this

786
00:37:26,194 --> 00:37:29,473
Speaker 11: year's draft, which they tube. But for me, what it

787
00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:33,434
Speaker 11: does is that it hampers them from getting good players quicker.

788
00:37:34,473 --> 00:37:35,033
Speaker 13: The higher you.

789
00:37:35,034 --> 00:37:37,314
Speaker 11: Draft, obviously, and they are the better players you get.

790
00:37:37,554 --> 00:37:40,314
Speaker 11: And it's not just about this year's draft in terms

791
00:37:40,354 --> 00:37:42,794
Speaker 11: of we need a couple of guys and we'll be okay,

792
00:37:42,873 --> 00:37:44,754
Speaker 11: it's going to take two to three years to do it.

793
00:37:44,794 --> 00:37:48,354
Speaker 11: So you lost the ammal that you could potentially have

794
00:37:48,473 --> 00:37:51,114
Speaker 11: to move around and trade and get players maybe in

795
00:37:51,154 --> 00:37:54,274
Speaker 11: next year's draft, or get guys this year that maybe

796
00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:56,473
Speaker 11: you trade for T Higgins and you can use that

797
00:37:56,594 --> 00:37:58,913
Speaker 11: high draft pick in the second round or the third round.

798
00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:02,714
Speaker 11: Hopefully they can still do that and maneuver a little bit.

799
00:38:03,994 --> 00:38:06,873
Speaker 11: So but that's where I find it really disappointing. I

800
00:38:06,913 --> 00:38:09,754
Speaker 11: just think going from one to four, it's just going

801
00:38:09,834 --> 00:38:11,873
Speaker 11: to take that much longer to get people in the

802
00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:13,713
Speaker 11: building that can really help the team.

803
00:38:13,953 --> 00:38:15,194
Speaker 14: And that's all I got.

804
00:38:15,234 --> 00:38:16,673
Speaker 11: I'm sure you've got a lot of people on the line.

805
00:38:16,674 --> 00:38:19,433
Speaker 11: And thanks yesterday for going extra long on the The.

806
00:38:19,354 --> 00:38:23,513
Speaker 5: Post game was a question.

807
00:38:25,354 --> 00:38:32,433
Speaker 4: Ros Christians in New York? What's up, Sobert, Hey, how

808
00:38:32,514 --> 00:38:33,193
Speaker 4: you guys doing.

809
00:38:33,834 --> 00:38:36,234
Speaker 12: You know, it's a sad day, Like I didn't know.

810
00:38:37,074 --> 00:38:40,834
Speaker 12: I believe Mayo had to go just like how like

811
00:38:40,873 --> 00:38:43,834
Speaker 12: the season just progressed like throughout the rest of the years,

812
00:38:43,994 --> 00:38:46,993
Speaker 12: I mean the rest of the season. My thing is,

813
00:38:47,554 --> 00:38:50,274
Speaker 12: I don't like how to stand like celebrating it. I understand, like,

814
00:38:50,433 --> 00:38:53,794
Speaker 12: you know, we won yesterday and then you know Rob

815
00:38:53,913 --> 00:38:56,714
Speaker 12: people didn't like that. I think enjoyed watching the watching

816
00:38:56,754 --> 00:38:58,794
Speaker 12: the game because all I wanted to see is this

817
00:38:58,873 --> 00:39:01,714
Speaker 12: this team to be competitive, even know they're good backups.

818
00:39:01,873 --> 00:39:03,953
Speaker 12: But my questions for you guys like to see, how

819
00:39:04,473 --> 00:39:08,073
Speaker 12: should of belief Mayo got do you believe like the

820
00:39:08,114 --> 00:39:11,314
Speaker 12: next coach will act? Those same questions like how long

821
00:39:12,274 --> 00:39:14,754
Speaker 12: when the next coach has before we're saying, hey, this

822
00:39:14,873 --> 00:39:18,154
Speaker 12: is not working and we decided to can this guy

823
00:39:18,194 --> 00:39:20,874
Speaker 12: and over the next guy. And last thing, I believe

824
00:39:20,953 --> 00:39:24,714
Speaker 12: Elliott Well is the full blame for all this emman craft.

825
00:39:25,354 --> 00:39:26,354
Speaker 12: I believe Wolf should go.

826
00:39:26,953 --> 00:39:30,073
Speaker 4: Okay, it's a fair question about like are they going

827
00:39:30,154 --> 00:39:33,553
Speaker 4: to be too quick with the next person? And I

828
00:39:33,554 --> 00:39:36,234
Speaker 4: would say, if the next person has the same season

829
00:39:36,274 --> 00:39:39,314
Speaker 4: that Mayo has, you got to fail fast there too.

830
00:39:39,754 --> 00:39:43,034
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think that whoever they hire

831
00:39:43,154 --> 00:39:49,314
Speaker 4: this next time, I'm hoping has at least solid coordinator experience,

832
00:39:50,994 --> 00:39:54,433
Speaker 4: and like I said, from the get go, can hit

833
00:39:54,473 --> 00:39:57,154
Speaker 4: the ground running a lot more so than Gerard was

834
00:39:57,194 --> 00:40:02,873
Speaker 4: able to do, and that he has better support than

835
00:40:02,913 --> 00:40:07,393
Speaker 4: Gerard had. And if all those things happen, then you

836
00:40:07,834 --> 00:40:10,473
Speaker 4: need to give the person more of a runway than

837
00:40:10,514 --> 00:40:16,034
Speaker 4: one season. You know, regardless of the record on Wolf Listen,

838
00:40:17,873 --> 00:40:20,314
Speaker 4: he's got a lot to prove too. You know, that

839
00:40:20,473 --> 00:40:23,274
Speaker 4: was not a good year in the draft or free agency.

840
00:40:25,754 --> 00:40:28,953
Speaker 4: You know, we always ask the question how much how

841
00:40:29,034 --> 00:40:31,873
Speaker 4: much say did he have on the picks prior to

842
00:40:31,953 --> 00:40:36,913
Speaker 4: this last year because they weren't good either. So there's

843
00:40:36,953 --> 00:40:40,073
Speaker 4: a lot of questions about him as well. And right

844
00:40:40,114 --> 00:40:43,433
Speaker 4: now he's here. But as we talked about last night,

845
00:40:43,873 --> 00:40:47,234
Speaker 4: I think a new head coach, depending on who it is,

846
00:40:47,234 --> 00:40:48,354
Speaker 4: is going to have a say in that.

847
00:40:48,514 --> 00:40:49,554
Speaker 5: I totally agree.

848
00:40:49,794 --> 00:40:53,434
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I think it's a different, interesting, different

849
00:40:53,433 --> 00:40:55,473
Speaker 7: scenario though coming into year two, as you really look

850
00:40:55,514 --> 00:40:58,234
Speaker 7: at the new coach, you're kind of expecting and hoping

851
00:40:58,274 --> 00:41:01,473
Speaker 7: to rely on Drake may developing. And you know, this year,

852
00:41:01,514 --> 00:41:03,993
Speaker 7: I think we were saying that about the defensive side

853
00:41:04,034 --> 00:41:05,913
Speaker 7: of the ball. There's some carry over there there, you know,

854
00:41:05,953 --> 00:41:09,393
Speaker 7: there's some continuity coaching. We need them to be good,

855
00:41:09,433 --> 00:41:11,393
Speaker 7: we need them to you know, be the ones that

856
00:41:11,514 --> 00:41:14,153
Speaker 7: make sure we stay you know, above the line. And

857
00:41:14,234 --> 00:41:15,794
Speaker 7: I feel like that pressure is going to a little

858
00:41:15,794 --> 00:41:17,913
Speaker 7: bit be on the offense next year and Drake, because

859
00:41:17,953 --> 00:41:19,993
Speaker 7: if I don't know what the defense is going to

860
00:41:20,034 --> 00:41:22,714
Speaker 7: look like next year, coordinators all that stuff. I just

861
00:41:22,754 --> 00:41:24,593
Speaker 7: think there's a little little bit of pressure on Drake

862
00:41:24,634 --> 00:41:26,593
Speaker 7: and and hope that Drake can you know, come out

863
00:41:26,714 --> 00:41:29,074
Speaker 7: firing and you know, take some solid steps in the

864
00:41:29,114 --> 00:41:31,393
Speaker 7: second season to lead the way and set the tone

865
00:41:31,473 --> 00:41:32,113
Speaker 7: right out of the gate.

866
00:41:32,234 --> 00:41:34,633
Speaker 4: If you were Robert Kraft, because you brought up Drake

867
00:41:34,714 --> 00:41:37,474
Speaker 4: May and we haven't really talked about him in a while,

868
00:41:39,393 --> 00:41:41,274
Speaker 4: would you have a sit down with him and say, hey,

869
00:41:41,794 --> 00:41:43,993
Speaker 4: this might look a little crazy right now, but it's

870
00:41:44,034 --> 00:41:46,473
Speaker 4: gonna be okay, you know that type of thing, just

871
00:41:46,514 --> 00:41:47,354
Speaker 4: to assure him.

872
00:41:47,873 --> 00:41:55,194
Speaker 5: I mean, you mean, like more so than any other players. Yeah,

873
00:41:55,314 --> 00:41:55,794
Speaker 5: I don't know.

874
00:41:56,234 --> 00:41:58,633
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I don't love this special meeting for it.

875
00:41:58,674 --> 00:42:00,553
Speaker 7: I love if this was a standard meeting that we're

876
00:42:00,554 --> 00:42:02,634
Speaker 7: having with everybody that I send the message, Well it

877
00:42:02,634 --> 00:42:05,033
Speaker 7: sounds like what they did today. Oh really, Well, tell

878
00:42:05,034 --> 00:42:06,073
Speaker 7: me they had a team meeting and.

879
00:42:06,114 --> 00:42:07,834
Speaker 4: Oh I didn't know that, So tell us about that.

880
00:42:07,913 --> 00:42:09,594
Speaker 7: Yeah, they said they had a team meeting this morning.

881
00:42:09,634 --> 00:42:12,074
Speaker 7: And it was interesting because Godchaw got asked, you know,

882
00:42:12,114 --> 00:42:13,953
Speaker 7: what was the what was the content? You know, what

883
00:42:14,034 --> 00:42:16,314
Speaker 7: was the message from the meeting this morning and Tetrick

884
00:42:16,354 --> 00:42:18,953
Speaker 7: wise a couple lockers down and he said, Yo, Das,

885
00:42:19,114 --> 00:42:21,473
Speaker 7: what was the message in the meeting today and on

886
00:42:21,514 --> 00:42:23,234
Speaker 7: to twenty twenty five? And that was it?

887
00:42:23,274 --> 00:42:25,033
Speaker 4: But who condempted the meeting?

888
00:42:25,074 --> 00:42:26,114
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my question.

889
00:42:26,433 --> 00:42:31,314
Speaker 7: Did not specify, but they wouldn't. That's the I did.

890
00:42:31,514 --> 00:42:32,354
Speaker 4: That's the headline.

891
00:42:32,794 --> 00:42:33,634
Speaker 5: Who were they asked?

892
00:42:34,034 --> 00:42:35,553
Speaker 7: I didn't. I don't know, not that I.

893
00:42:36,074 --> 00:42:38,913
Speaker 5: Know you said it was a scrum, and it's that

894
00:42:39,074 --> 00:42:42,354
Speaker 5: that's the main question were asked. I'm sure they were.

895
00:42:42,514 --> 00:42:46,314
Speaker 5: I mean I have I mean, you know me, I couldn't.

896
00:42:45,953 --> 00:42:48,554
Speaker 7: Think less someone who general?

897
00:42:48,873 --> 00:42:50,834
Speaker 5: But someone had to ask, well, who was in charge

898
00:42:50,873 --> 00:42:51,993
Speaker 5: of that? Who?

899
00:42:52,354 --> 00:42:56,274
Speaker 4: The meaning was it? Elliott Wolf? Was it? You know?

900
00:42:56,393 --> 00:42:58,954
Speaker 4: I I That's what I wanted. Was Robert Kraft?

901
00:42:59,034 --> 00:42:59,874
Speaker 5: That's the question.

902
00:43:00,473 --> 00:43:02,993
Speaker 4: You know, I would hope that Robert was there.

903
00:43:03,594 --> 00:43:07,994
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed, Fred to your original question,

904
00:43:08,234 --> 00:43:10,074
Speaker 5: if you wanted to say, like in addition to that,

905
00:43:10,234 --> 00:43:13,114
Speaker 5: like so they had a team meeting, they talked to everybody.

906
00:43:13,794 --> 00:43:16,433
Speaker 5: I would I don't think I would love the the

907
00:43:16,473 --> 00:43:20,513
Speaker 5: optics of it, just being Drake may like we're going

908
00:43:20,594 --> 00:43:22,553
Speaker 5: to single out this quarterback and we're going to let

909
00:43:22,594 --> 00:43:25,594
Speaker 5: this quarterback know if you have problems come to you

910
00:43:25,674 --> 00:43:25,993
Speaker 5: can cover.

911
00:43:26,994 --> 00:43:31,153
Speaker 7: It was Robert was, the team is a brief meeting

912
00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:31,914
Speaker 7: late this morning.

913
00:43:31,953 --> 00:43:34,234
Speaker 5: Good, Okay, that's good. I do. I agree.

914
00:43:34,433 --> 00:43:36,794
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't mean like, hey, if you have problems,

915
00:43:36,834 --> 00:43:37,194
Speaker 4: come to me.

916
00:43:37,354 --> 00:43:37,473
Speaker 6: No.

917
00:43:37,514 --> 00:43:40,314
Speaker 5: But I say, by having an individual meeting with him,

918
00:43:40,314 --> 00:43:42,754
Speaker 5: it sort of lets him know that you're special. I

919
00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:45,194
Speaker 5: don't want that. I want, you know, and I'm not

920
00:43:45,194 --> 00:43:47,394
Speaker 5: saying he has to have a meeting with every individual player,

921
00:43:47,433 --> 00:43:50,553
Speaker 5: but can we have like a group that maybe he

922
00:43:50,634 --> 00:43:53,674
Speaker 5: meets with, you know, the captain, you know, the captains

923
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:57,154
Speaker 5: and other you know obviously you know, may I get it.

924
00:43:57,154 --> 00:43:59,993
Speaker 5: He's the starting quarterback and he does you know. It's

925
00:44:00,074 --> 00:44:02,274
Speaker 5: it's a cold reality. I thought this was really interesting

926
00:44:02,354 --> 00:44:06,234
Speaker 5: dron Harmon yesterday, when we were talking in the pregame show,

927
00:44:06,274 --> 00:44:09,873
Speaker 5: I asked him some questions about locker room dynamics in

928
00:44:09,953 --> 00:44:13,074
Speaker 5: terms of these games, you know, these quote unquote meetingless games,

929
00:44:13,114 --> 00:44:17,553
Speaker 5: and who plays who doesn't. Is there ever any you know,

930
00:44:17,594 --> 00:44:19,154
Speaker 5: animosity among.

931
00:44:18,994 --> 00:44:20,993
Speaker 4: Fellows like you.

932
00:44:21,114 --> 00:44:24,433
Speaker 5: I used as an example yesterday Buffalo Deon Dawkins is

933
00:44:24,473 --> 00:44:28,634
Speaker 5: the left tackleiner Brown's the right tackle. Deon Dawkins was inactive,

934
00:44:28,754 --> 00:44:32,873
Speaker 5: Spencer Brown wasn't. Now Spencer Brown didn't play, but you know, like,

935
00:44:33,074 --> 00:44:35,113
Speaker 5: is there ever any like, well how come he gets

936
00:44:35,154 --> 00:44:37,794
Speaker 5: to be an active But I don't, you know, and

937
00:44:38,274 --> 00:44:41,354
Speaker 5: Harmon was was pretty pretty forthcoming. It's like, you know,

938
00:44:41,393 --> 00:44:43,674
Speaker 5: I think we all understand like Tom Brady's a little different,

939
00:44:44,354 --> 00:44:46,433
Speaker 5: you know, and he's a little bit more vital to

940
00:44:46,514 --> 00:44:50,754
Speaker 5: our team six, our overall success and how that plays out.

941
00:44:50,754 --> 00:44:53,594
Speaker 5: And I think that players in general understand that. So

942
00:44:53,714 --> 00:44:56,433
Speaker 5: I get that May is the quarterback and the other

943
00:44:56,433 --> 00:44:59,314
Speaker 5: players understand that. I just I would rather it be

944
00:44:59,393 --> 00:45:02,513
Speaker 5: with like a group of captains and then maybe like

945
00:45:02,714 --> 00:45:07,473
Speaker 5: a group of people you don't other veterans foundation like

946
00:45:07,634 --> 00:45:11,513
Speaker 5: May and I used the word veteran, not necessarily an experience.

947
00:45:11,594 --> 00:45:14,314
Speaker 5: But he's your starting quarterback, so you know that.

948
00:45:14,554 --> 00:45:17,834
Speaker 4: So I guess my point is whether it's May or May,

949
00:45:17,873 --> 00:45:20,553
Speaker 4: And like you said, I want them to go into

950
00:45:20,554 --> 00:45:24,873
Speaker 4: this offseason at least with the idea that it's gonna be, Okay,

951
00:45:25,274 --> 00:45:28,754
Speaker 4: we've got this covered, You're gonna come back and we're

952
00:45:28,794 --> 00:45:31,794
Speaker 4: gonna have it's going to be a well run, well

953
00:45:31,834 --> 00:45:37,234
Speaker 4: oiled organization. Don't worry about it. Yeah, just get stay

954
00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:41,314
Speaker 4: in shape, get your mind right, take some time off, decompress,

955
00:45:41,754 --> 00:45:44,714
Speaker 4: but be ready because we are going for it next year.

956
00:45:45,074 --> 00:45:47,194
Speaker 7: I think that's like to me, the message of it

957
00:45:47,234 --> 00:45:49,873
Speaker 7: happening so quick, I mean that that's a positive as

958
00:45:49,913 --> 00:45:51,993
Speaker 7: far as the player is saying this isn't acceptable. And

959
00:45:52,034 --> 00:45:53,754
Speaker 7: then you know, and it's hard for Drake. It's his

960
00:45:53,754 --> 00:45:56,394
Speaker 7: first NFL season. He has nothing else to really compare

961
00:45:56,433 --> 00:45:58,674
Speaker 7: it to. But I just I think the message this

962
00:45:58,754 --> 00:46:01,073
Speaker 7: morning is that, look, we want to win football games

963
00:46:01,074 --> 00:46:03,354
Speaker 7: here and we're not going to just stand on business

964
00:46:03,354 --> 00:46:05,553
Speaker 7: because it's going to be difficult to hire a whole

965
00:46:05,594 --> 00:46:08,033
Speaker 7: new staff like this was unacceptable this year and we're

966
00:46:08,034 --> 00:46:10,554
Speaker 7: moving on right away. So I think in that regard, hopefully,

967
00:46:10,594 --> 00:46:12,754
Speaker 7: you know, Drake takes that message and you know, like

968
00:46:12,754 --> 00:46:14,354
Speaker 7: I said, he needs a big offseason. He needs to

969
00:46:14,433 --> 00:46:16,114
Speaker 7: lead this team next year, and he needs to be

970
00:46:16,154 --> 00:46:17,913
Speaker 7: one of the guys that you know, along with a

971
00:46:17,953 --> 00:46:20,274
Speaker 7: new coach, holds them to a higher standard this year.

972
00:46:20,953 --> 00:46:24,473
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see phones are lit up. We'll go to

973
00:46:25,714 --> 00:46:27,274
Speaker 4: Evan in London. What's up, Evan?

974
00:46:28,594 --> 00:46:29,553
Speaker 11: Oh, it's hi.

975
00:46:29,594 --> 00:46:34,154
Speaker 10: I've read it's Adam, Adam, thank you. I'm gonna be

976
00:46:34,274 --> 00:46:37,114
Speaker 10: the first fan for Paul to kind of put in

977
00:46:37,154 --> 00:46:40,033
Speaker 10: the check mark about what the fans thought. I know

978
00:46:40,194 --> 00:46:43,114
Speaker 10: Rabel is the people's choice due to his you know,

979
00:46:43,154 --> 00:46:45,913
Speaker 10: head coach experience and his history with us, But do

980
00:46:45,913 --> 00:46:47,834
Speaker 10: you just think that a clean break from the whole

981
00:46:48,114 --> 00:46:51,553
Speaker 10: dynasty Patriot way is kind of the best thing?

982
00:46:51,594 --> 00:46:51,794
Speaker 3: Now?

983
00:46:51,913 --> 00:46:53,633
Speaker 15: I mean, I'm prepared to be wrong, but I kind

984
00:46:53,634 --> 00:46:56,953
Speaker 15: of wonder if I know that obviously Ben Johnson's going

985
00:46:56,953 --> 00:47:00,274
Speaker 15: into for interview, but is a tight pants guy kind

986
00:47:00,274 --> 00:47:02,314
Speaker 15: of a way to go now that you know the

987
00:47:02,354 --> 00:47:04,073
Speaker 15: way the league is going. Like you guys said at

988
00:47:04,074 --> 00:47:07,033
Speaker 15: the start, obviously he's got Bruce credentials and tell us

989
00:47:07,074 --> 00:47:08,673
Speaker 15: what the vision is and who you can bring in.

990
00:47:09,594 --> 00:47:10,274
Speaker 4: But I just I just.

991
00:47:10,234 --> 00:47:12,194
Speaker 15: Start to wonder, is it kind of best if we

992
00:47:13,314 --> 00:47:15,474
Speaker 15: enjoyed the years that we had, but going a new direction.

993
00:47:15,554 --> 00:47:17,554
Speaker 15: But I'll take it offline, guys, But thanks very much.

994
00:47:17,473 --> 00:47:21,994
Speaker 4: No, Adam, Sorry, It's a good point that I've heard before,

995
00:47:22,034 --> 00:47:26,034
Speaker 4: like a clean break from the dynasty, someone who isn't

996
00:47:26,234 --> 00:47:30,914
Speaker 4: the frame of reference, isn't that era, and bring something

997
00:47:31,074 --> 00:47:34,634
Speaker 4: totally fresh into the building, you know, not and you know,

998
00:47:34,714 --> 00:47:36,513
Speaker 4: I know we talked about this last night, Mike, and

999
00:47:36,554 --> 00:47:38,114
Speaker 4: you're like, you know, why do we need to like

1000
00:47:38,154 --> 00:47:41,274
Speaker 4: forget about all of that, you know, why what's wrong

1001
00:47:41,314 --> 00:47:45,794
Speaker 4: with all that stuff? And I hear that too, But

1002
00:47:45,873 --> 00:47:49,754
Speaker 4: that is a line of thinking that there needs to

1003
00:47:49,754 --> 00:47:52,354
Speaker 4: be a clean break. Let's get somebody in whose success

1004
00:47:52,514 --> 00:47:55,834
Speaker 4: isn't tied to that so they're not constantly falling back

1005
00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:57,714
Speaker 4: on what was done back then.

1006
00:47:58,314 --> 00:47:58,513
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1007
00:47:58,554 --> 00:48:00,553
Speaker 7: I mean, I think that's why I like Rabel because

1008
00:48:00,554 --> 00:48:02,794
Speaker 7: he's has a little Obviously, he's a Hall of Fame

1009
00:48:02,794 --> 00:48:05,873
Speaker 7: player for us here and so there's a familiarity. But

1010
00:48:05,913 --> 00:48:08,513
Speaker 7: it's not like he was only with Bill and only

1011
00:48:08,594 --> 00:48:11,993
Speaker 7: understands Bill's coaching method After Rabel I would agree with

1012
00:48:12,114 --> 00:48:14,354
Speaker 7: just the general point of I mean, look, the drafts

1013
00:48:14,354 --> 00:48:16,754
Speaker 7: have been really rough. I don't know who you're pointing out,

1014
00:48:16,754 --> 00:48:18,393
Speaker 7: but a lot of the same guys are here that

1015
00:48:18,754 --> 00:48:20,634
Speaker 7: have been picking players for the last few years. That

1016
00:48:20,754 --> 00:48:22,794
Speaker 7: to me, like you want to talk about turning things

1017
00:48:22,834 --> 00:48:25,674
Speaker 7: upside down, I'd look at I'd look at the scouting apartment,

1018
00:48:25,913 --> 00:48:28,354
Speaker 7: I'd look at them, you know, being able to bring

1019
00:48:28,393 --> 00:48:30,794
Speaker 7: in some new blood, some new perspectives on that and

1020
00:48:31,074 --> 00:48:32,874
Speaker 7: you know, I think that's what excited me about Elliot

1021
00:48:32,873 --> 00:48:34,674
Speaker 7: Wolf last year was that he felt a little bit

1022
00:48:34,754 --> 00:48:37,234
Speaker 7: like an outsider at that point. I know he's been

1023
00:48:37,274 --> 00:48:39,194
Speaker 7: around for a couple of years and had probably had

1024
00:48:39,234 --> 00:48:41,314
Speaker 7: input on the draft, but even still, I.

1025
00:48:41,994 --> 00:48:45,154
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could be sold on Vrabel because he's the

1026
00:48:45,794 --> 00:48:49,794
Speaker 5: experience in the other organizations. His time in Tennessee, Houston,

1027
00:48:49,834 --> 00:48:54,754
Speaker 5: and to a lesser extent, Cleveland kind of gives you like,

1028
00:48:54,873 --> 00:48:59,754
Speaker 5: it's not it's not just Bills, Like, he's not a

1029
00:48:59,754 --> 00:49:02,714
Speaker 5: Bill Tree guy per se, even though he is a Patriot.

1030
00:49:03,194 --> 00:49:05,714
Speaker 5: But I do I would put myself in the category.

1031
00:49:05,794 --> 00:49:08,473
Speaker 5: I do want a clean break. So if you can

1032
00:49:08,514 --> 00:49:11,073
Speaker 5: sell me on Ben Johnson or somebody else, I think

1033
00:49:11,114 --> 00:49:13,674
Speaker 5: I would be willing to listen to that. But I

1034
00:49:13,714 --> 00:49:15,873
Speaker 5: do like the fact that at least Rabel is not

1035
00:49:16,354 --> 00:49:17,553
Speaker 5: just the same old, same old.

1036
00:49:17,554 --> 00:49:19,913
Speaker 4: He's not and he's we know, he's his own guy.

1037
00:49:19,953 --> 00:49:22,674
Speaker 5: He is his own guy. And he didn't learn coaching

1038
00:49:22,754 --> 00:49:26,393
Speaker 5: necessarily under Bill Right he was a playerner Billy, you know,

1039
00:49:26,473 --> 00:49:31,514
Speaker 5: he learned coaching in other organizations, where like McDaniels and Patricia,

1040
00:49:31,514 --> 00:49:34,433
Speaker 5: they went to other organizations to run them, to be

1041
00:49:34,473 --> 00:49:37,794
Speaker 5: the head coaches after being under Bill, this is different.

1042
00:49:38,034 --> 00:49:38,473
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

1043
00:49:38,873 --> 00:49:40,274
Speaker 7: And I don't even like, I don't even know if

1044
00:49:40,314 --> 00:49:43,033
Speaker 7: Rabel runs like the same defense that Bill really ran.

1045
00:49:43,074 --> 00:49:44,794
Speaker 7: You know, like, I don't even know schematically how much

1046
00:49:45,154 --> 00:49:46,314
Speaker 7: crossover there is there, But.

1047
00:49:46,354 --> 00:49:48,194
Speaker 5: I leave that to you all, twenty two Cowboys.

1048
00:49:48,234 --> 00:49:49,873
Speaker 7: I just think, though it's it's funny. It's the same

1049
00:49:49,913 --> 00:49:51,714
Speaker 7: thing with the draft. It's the same thing with free agency.

1050
00:49:51,754 --> 00:49:53,674
Speaker 7: You're just you're kind of a prisoner to who's available.

1051
00:49:53,714 --> 00:49:56,234
Speaker 7: And of course Mike Frabel's the obvious choice, and then

1052
00:49:56,274 --> 00:49:58,154
Speaker 7: Ben Johnson gets thrown in the mix as the you know,

1053
00:49:58,234 --> 00:50:01,834
Speaker 7: offensive coordinator who's really hot right now? But you know,

1054
00:50:01,873 --> 00:50:03,714
Speaker 7: you just there aren't a lot of choices. There aren't like, well,

1055
00:50:03,714 --> 00:50:04,234
Speaker 7: this guy.

1056
00:50:04,074 --> 00:50:06,913
Speaker 5: This obvious interviewing you know, one of I think the

1057
00:50:06,994 --> 00:50:08,914
Speaker 5: Jets I saw today.

1058
00:50:08,953 --> 00:50:10,433
Speaker 4: He's Aaron Glens out there.

1059
00:50:10,554 --> 00:50:13,993
Speaker 5: Aaron Glenn's been requested for a couple of teams, and

1060
00:50:14,714 --> 00:50:19,834
Speaker 5: you know, we talked about Sweet lou In Aroumo. You know,

1061
00:50:19,834 --> 00:50:22,274
Speaker 5: it was let go by the Bengals. He's a well

1062
00:50:22,274 --> 00:50:25,074
Speaker 5: regarded defensive coordinator whose defense fell apart.

1063
00:50:25,393 --> 00:50:27,674
Speaker 4: Another name I heard I'm talking.

1064
00:50:27,473 --> 00:50:28,754
Speaker 5: About as a defensive coordinator.

1065
00:50:29,034 --> 00:50:31,393
Speaker 4: Another name I heard he's been in the NFL and

1066
00:50:31,554 --> 00:50:32,474
Speaker 4: college is Steve.

1067
00:50:33,994 --> 00:50:34,594
Speaker 5: Sarkisian.

1068
00:50:34,674 --> 00:50:39,754
Speaker 4: Sarkisian, Oh sorry, you know, as a possible tight pants

1069
00:50:39,794 --> 00:50:41,154
Speaker 4: guy coming in.

1070
00:50:41,393 --> 00:50:44,433
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I don't love in Alabama. Yeah yeah, I

1071
00:50:44,473 --> 00:50:45,794
Speaker 7: just I think what scares me a little bit and

1072
00:50:45,794 --> 00:50:48,513
Speaker 7: what's appealing about Hey bunch of Texas Now, no matter

1073
00:50:48,594 --> 00:50:51,113
Speaker 7: who it is, it's a little bit scary going down

1074
00:50:51,154 --> 00:50:52,754
Speaker 7: this road again with someone who's never been a head

1075
00:50:52,754 --> 00:50:54,794
Speaker 7: coach before. And I know that, like, that's also exciting

1076
00:50:54,794 --> 00:50:57,873
Speaker 7: and that's where you might find gold. But there's also like, man,

1077
00:50:57,913 --> 00:51:00,274
Speaker 7: we just tired a guy who didn't really have experience

1078
00:51:00,354 --> 00:51:02,593
Speaker 7: doing this, at least with v Abel. You know, he's

1079
00:51:02,634 --> 00:51:05,834
Speaker 7: done it before, he's got philosophies, he knows how it works,

1080
00:51:06,274 --> 00:51:09,194
Speaker 7: and that you know, that's appealing to me too. But again,

1081
00:51:09,754 --> 00:51:11,553
Speaker 7: if you take a swing on a random guy, he

1082
00:51:11,634 --> 00:51:12,713
Speaker 7: might be the next Sean.

1083
00:51:12,834 --> 00:51:15,714
Speaker 5: I prefer a new guy who hasn't had a job yet.

1084
00:51:16,034 --> 00:51:18,553
Speaker 5: But I need to know the Fred Kirsch questions like

1085
00:51:18,634 --> 00:51:20,834
Speaker 5: I need to know the plan, what you plan? What's

1086
00:51:20,834 --> 00:51:23,553
Speaker 5: your structure? Who do you have? You know, what's going

1087
00:51:23,594 --> 00:51:24,234
Speaker 5: to be your study?

1088
00:51:24,314 --> 00:51:27,314
Speaker 4: To look inside your soul, right, I.

1089
00:51:27,354 --> 00:51:29,834
Speaker 5: Just think I think I would feel better Mike if.

1090
00:51:31,913 --> 00:51:35,154
Speaker 4: To a lot of people need to see inside your

1091
00:51:35,514 --> 00:51:36,433
Speaker 4: I mean I trust him.

1092
00:51:36,433 --> 00:51:37,073
Speaker 7: I trust him.

1093
00:51:37,154 --> 00:51:38,834
Speaker 5: He hired me with a stain on his shirt?

1094
00:51:39,473 --> 00:51:40,234
Speaker 4: Did I have a stand?

1095
00:51:40,433 --> 00:51:41,113
Speaker 5: Of course you did.

1096
00:51:42,953 --> 00:51:46,114
Speaker 4: Izz He's in Canada. What's up is he?

1097
00:51:46,114 --> 00:51:46,714
Speaker 6: Hey? Guys?

1098
00:51:47,034 --> 00:51:48,433
Speaker 16: Uh's been watching you?

1099
00:51:48,433 --> 00:51:48,873
Speaker 5: Guys?

1100
00:51:51,634 --> 00:51:52,154
Speaker 4: Where are you?

1101
00:51:53,114 --> 00:51:53,274
Speaker 17: Is he?

1102
00:51:55,274 --> 00:51:58,714
Speaker 16: I'm going to go season and and I'm going to

1103
00:51:58,794 --> 00:52:03,074
Speaker 16: be brutally honest. This season was a disaster, guys. I

1104
00:52:03,114 --> 00:52:06,154
Speaker 16: mean it was a complete joke. I mean, you draft

1105
00:52:06,194 --> 00:52:08,714
Speaker 16: the guy, Let's just put it this way. You draft

1106
00:52:08,754 --> 00:52:13,314
Speaker 16: the top three quarterback, right, you get Drake May and

1107
00:52:13,393 --> 00:52:15,794
Speaker 16: you don't start him. Like, my whole thing was, why

1108
00:52:15,794 --> 00:52:18,953
Speaker 16: didn't we start Drake from week one? We know he

1109
00:52:19,074 --> 00:52:22,314
Speaker 16: was the guy, we know he was doing amazing and

1110
00:52:22,433 --> 00:52:26,194
Speaker 16: training camp. We we knew that this guy has potential

1111
00:52:26,314 --> 00:52:28,593
Speaker 16: to be really good in this league. And we knew that,

1112
00:52:29,473 --> 00:52:32,234
Speaker 16: so we started what Jacoby for the first four or

1113
00:52:32,314 --> 00:52:35,993
Speaker 16: five weeks and then the team went downfall after that. Right,

1114
00:52:37,194 --> 00:52:40,754
Speaker 16: there is no motivation on the players. And not to mention,

1115
00:52:41,234 --> 00:52:44,033
Speaker 16: I love Gerard Mao as a player for what he

1116
00:52:44,114 --> 00:52:47,354
Speaker 16: did for us. I respect him hats off to him.

1117
00:52:47,634 --> 00:52:50,594
Speaker 16: At least he tried. But you know, I think the

1118
00:52:50,634 --> 00:52:54,354
Speaker 16: team just fell apart right after that comment saying we're

1119
00:52:54,393 --> 00:52:57,393
Speaker 16: just a soft football team. You know, you had a

1120
00:52:57,433 --> 00:53:00,074
Speaker 16: lot of these players who are on the down side.

1121
00:53:00,393 --> 00:53:01,274
Speaker 14: They didn't like it.

1122
00:53:01,953 --> 00:53:07,514
Speaker 16: We gave away Jude On for a bag of chips.

1123
00:53:06,034 --> 00:53:09,234
Speaker 5: A third round. I disagree with this call in general. Yeah,

1124
00:53:09,354 --> 00:53:12,074
Speaker 5: I mean, other than the season's been a disaster, I agree.

1125
00:53:12,074 --> 00:53:14,674
Speaker 5: I think everybody agrees with that, and I think Robert

1126
00:53:14,994 --> 00:53:18,193
Speaker 5: Kraft agree. But they're otherwise, we wouldn't have made this move, right, right,

1127
00:53:18,674 --> 00:53:21,874
Speaker 5: But right, I mean they won more games of percent

1128
00:53:21,913 --> 00:53:24,714
Speaker 5: than any other quarterbacks. Yeah, you know, I know that's

1129
00:53:24,754 --> 00:53:26,154
Speaker 5: not saying two to one.

1130
00:53:26,154 --> 00:53:27,913
Speaker 4: But I do agree with Izzy. I think they should

1131
00:53:27,913 --> 00:53:28,594
Speaker 4: have started driving.

1132
00:53:28,674 --> 00:53:30,154
Speaker 5: I think they should have too. But I don't have

1133
00:53:30,194 --> 00:53:32,794
Speaker 5: any illusions that the the record would have been worse,

1134
00:53:32,913 --> 00:53:33,354
Speaker 5: not better.

1135
00:53:33,433 --> 00:53:35,514
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing to do with the record.

1136
00:53:36,274 --> 00:53:39,033
Speaker 16: Maybe those four losses wouldn't have been lost, as you.

1137
00:53:39,074 --> 00:53:39,674
Speaker 4: Know, I don't know.

1138
00:53:39,754 --> 00:53:41,473
Speaker 5: I think they would have been lost as by more

1139
00:53:41,514 --> 00:53:43,794
Speaker 5: points based on the amount of times Drake may turn

1140
00:53:43,873 --> 00:53:46,274
Speaker 5: the ball over. Like that's what I think they were

1141
00:53:46,314 --> 00:53:50,073
Speaker 5: concerned about. Brissette protected the ball. That's why they gave

1142
00:53:50,114 --> 00:53:51,993
Speaker 5: him a chance. Now, when they weren't winning games, even

1143
00:53:51,994 --> 00:53:53,794
Speaker 5: though they weren't turning it over, they made the move.

1144
00:53:54,953 --> 00:53:57,873
Speaker 4: I think we underestimate Isy, and thanks for the call,

1145
00:53:57,953 --> 00:54:00,594
Speaker 4: because I think what we are estimate and might have

1146
00:54:00,674 --> 00:54:04,354
Speaker 4: been behind the thinking of not starting May right away

1147
00:54:04,393 --> 00:54:07,114
Speaker 4: and putting in Brissette is these coaches were trying to

1148
00:54:07,114 --> 00:54:10,354
Speaker 4: figure things out too, and let's let's at least have

1149
00:54:10,393 --> 00:54:13,513
Speaker 4: an experienced quarterback in there while we figure out how

1150
00:54:13,514 --> 00:54:14,194
Speaker 4: to call play.

1151
00:54:14,274 --> 00:54:18,594
Speaker 5: You remember how that game unfolded, But do you remember,

1152
00:54:18,634 --> 00:54:21,033
Speaker 5: like I know, everybody looks at this game with like

1153
00:54:21,154 --> 00:54:24,074
Speaker 5: such reverence. Now what do you remember, like the amount

1154
00:54:24,114 --> 00:54:29,073
Speaker 5: of times that Jacoby set miraculously avoided disaster in that game?

1155
00:54:29,154 --> 00:54:31,514
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, escaping pressure?

1156
00:54:31,754 --> 00:54:34,154
Speaker 5: Like now, I understand that you can make an argument

1157
00:54:34,234 --> 00:54:39,114
Speaker 5: that maybe May is able to run more like and

1158
00:54:39,154 --> 00:54:42,154
Speaker 5: get more yards, But doesn't it stand to reason based

1159
00:54:42,194 --> 00:54:44,914
Speaker 5: on the the eleven games you watched Drake may play

1160
00:54:44,953 --> 00:54:47,113
Speaker 5: that he had to turn the ball over a couple

1161
00:54:47,154 --> 00:54:47,993
Speaker 5: of times in that game.

1162
00:54:48,114 --> 00:54:51,073
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was as clean a game as you

1163
00:54:51,114 --> 00:54:53,234
Speaker 4: could imagine, right for the Patriots?

1164
00:54:53,274 --> 00:54:56,393
Speaker 5: And again, is he I'm Fred and I are with you.

1165
00:54:56,514 --> 00:54:58,874
Speaker 5: I think Mike as well, Like I would have started

1166
00:54:58,913 --> 00:55:01,154
Speaker 5: him from week one, but I had no illusions on

1167
00:55:01,194 --> 00:55:04,834
Speaker 5: this season, and I do not think their record would

1168
00:55:04,834 --> 00:55:07,794
Speaker 5: have been better had he played every game. He went

1169
00:55:07,913 --> 00:55:09,953
Speaker 5: one in nine. Yeah, that had nothing to do with

1170
00:55:10,074 --> 00:55:12,194
Speaker 5: I'm not counting the other two games that he winning

1171
00:55:12,234 --> 00:55:15,154
Speaker 5: games was not my reason for starting him week one.

1172
00:55:15,873 --> 00:55:17,794
Speaker 5: I mean, you can make an argument that the best

1173
00:55:17,873 --> 00:55:22,473
Speaker 5: quarterback performance they got all season was yesterday. Yeah, you

1174
00:55:22,473 --> 00:55:26,034
Speaker 5: can make that argument. I'm sorry, wrong.

1175
00:55:26,473 --> 00:55:30,874
Speaker 4: Well, you're not wrong, at least the first half.

1176
00:55:31,754 --> 00:55:35,194
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he didn't turn like he didn't really turn

1177
00:55:35,274 --> 00:55:36,714
Speaker 5: the ball. I mean he made I don't know who

1178
00:55:36,714 --> 00:55:37,714
Speaker 5: got credit for the fumble.

1179
00:55:38,514 --> 00:55:39,433
Speaker 4: It was an exchange?

1180
00:55:39,594 --> 00:55:41,873
Speaker 5: Was it an a boarded play? Yeah? Well, I mean

1181
00:55:42,314 --> 00:55:44,074
Speaker 5: maybe I guess you could say he got credit with

1182
00:55:44,114 --> 00:55:47,154
Speaker 5: the fumble. But he didn't throw anything resembling an interception.

1183
00:55:48,994 --> 00:55:51,594
Speaker 5: He kept the ball out of harm's way.

1184
00:55:51,834 --> 00:55:55,234
Speaker 4: They didn't want to intercept it the other tea. So

1185
00:55:55,834 --> 00:55:57,594
Speaker 4: you have to fat, you have to factor.

1186
00:55:57,674 --> 00:55:59,394
Speaker 5: Can I can I just pick that. I'm not telling

1187
00:55:59,433 --> 00:56:01,794
Speaker 5: you that Joe Milton is the don't. I'm just I'm

1188
00:56:01,834 --> 00:56:04,434
Speaker 5: just talking about the way that the game's unfolded and whatnot.

1189
00:56:04,473 --> 00:56:07,114
Speaker 5: But like, I just want to scratch this one. This

1190
00:56:07,154 --> 00:56:08,234
Speaker 5: one's really bothering me.

1191
00:56:08,354 --> 00:56:09,154
Speaker 4: Like, here we go.

1192
00:56:09,354 --> 00:56:12,274
Speaker 5: Now, one final nail in Gerrod Mayo's coffin is that

1193
00:56:12,314 --> 00:56:16,393
Speaker 5: he won the game yesterday. Okay, call me Sunshine dot

1194
00:56:16,433 --> 00:56:20,393
Speaker 5: com all you want. I don't care. What exactly was

1195
00:56:20,433 --> 00:56:22,913
Speaker 5: he supposed to do that he didn't do right to

1196
00:56:22,994 --> 00:56:25,154
Speaker 5: try to lose that game. And I'm sorry it does

1197
00:56:25,234 --> 00:56:27,834
Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense because I know I've talked to

1198
00:56:27,873 --> 00:56:29,393
Speaker 5: a lot of people, and I've talked to a lot

1199
00:56:29,433 --> 00:56:33,834
Speaker 5: of Patriots fans. They're all in agreement that Sean McDermott

1200
00:56:33,913 --> 00:56:36,314
Speaker 5: did not want the Patriots to win because he didn't

1201
00:56:36,314 --> 00:56:38,634
Speaker 5: want him to get the first overall pick. I'm not

1202
00:56:38,794 --> 00:56:42,314
Speaker 5: arguing with those people if that's how they feel. This

1203
00:56:42,354 --> 00:56:45,513
Speaker 5: is my argument. How can you say that McDermott did

1204
00:56:45,554 --> 00:56:47,393
Speaker 5: everything he could to lose the game so he could

1205
00:56:47,393 --> 00:56:50,873
Speaker 5: screw the Patriots when he did the exact same thing

1206
00:56:50,913 --> 00:56:53,594
Speaker 5: that Gerrod Mayo did, But Mayo didn't do everything he

1207
00:56:53,634 --> 00:56:54,513
Speaker 5: could to lose the game.

1208
00:56:54,994 --> 00:56:57,513
Speaker 4: Yeah, they they.

1209
00:56:57,433 --> 00:57:00,553
Speaker 5: Both emptied their practice squads, they both played their third

1210
00:57:00,594 --> 00:57:01,513
Speaker 5: string quarterbacks.

1211
00:57:02,234 --> 00:57:04,953
Speaker 4: I've heard some people say once once the Bill's got

1212
00:57:04,953 --> 00:57:07,354
Speaker 4: that lead, just hand the ball off, don't don't try

1213
00:57:07,354 --> 00:57:08,714
Speaker 4: to score points.

1214
00:57:10,314 --> 00:57:14,553
Speaker 5: I've heard that who like who don't try to score

1215
00:57:14,554 --> 00:57:14,834
Speaker 5: a point?

1216
00:57:14,913 --> 00:57:18,394
Speaker 4: Patriots, Like, after the Bill's got that lead, we scored again,

1217
00:57:18,994 --> 00:57:23,594
Speaker 4: you know, to go ahead again. Seventeen sixteen, they like

1218
00:57:24,114 --> 00:57:25,593
Speaker 4: they got like twenty yards drives.

1219
00:57:25,594 --> 00:57:27,554
Speaker 5: They were kicking field goals. It wasn't like they moved

1220
00:57:27,554 --> 00:57:29,874
Speaker 5: the ball like in the second half. I know, like,

1221
00:57:29,914 --> 00:57:31,834
Speaker 5: what are you supposed to do? Are you supposed to

1222
00:57:31,914 --> 00:57:34,154
Speaker 5: ask you a third string quarterback who's trying to make

1223
00:57:34,194 --> 00:57:34,594
Speaker 5: a living?

1224
00:57:34,754 --> 00:57:35,914
Speaker 4: I hear you.

1225
00:57:35,914 --> 00:57:39,754
Speaker 5: You're supposed to say, Joe, don't try to score points, right, right?

1226
00:57:39,914 --> 00:57:43,274
Speaker 4: I know it's like they're professionals, that's what you know.

1227
00:57:43,234 --> 00:57:45,754
Speaker 5: The guys that were playing or playing for their livelihood.

1228
00:57:45,834 --> 00:57:48,914
Speaker 4: Right. Even Mike White was trying to complete passes. I

1229
00:57:48,914 --> 00:57:49,994
Speaker 4: believe he just couldn't.

1230
00:57:50,114 --> 00:57:52,474
Speaker 5: He just stinks, right, I believe he was trying. I

1231
00:57:52,514 --> 00:57:55,314
Speaker 5: don't believe he overthrew keyon Coleman on purpose on that

1232
00:57:55,354 --> 00:57:56,114
Speaker 5: crossing route.

1233
00:57:56,234 --> 00:57:56,514
Speaker 4: Right.

1234
00:57:57,474 --> 00:57:59,994
Speaker 5: It's just I just don't understand how you can say

1235
00:58:00,034 --> 00:58:04,113
Speaker 5: that McDermott tried to lose and Mayo tried to win

1236
00:58:04,834 --> 00:58:08,314
Speaker 5: based on the personnel usage that they both had. The

1237
00:58:08,354 --> 00:58:11,274
Speaker 5: difference in the game was your third string quarterback played

1238
00:58:11,274 --> 00:58:14,714
Speaker 5: better than their third string quarterback. That was the difference

1239
00:58:14,714 --> 00:58:16,834
Speaker 5: in the game, because when Trubisky was in there, it

1240
00:58:16,874 --> 00:58:20,954
Speaker 5: was back and forth. When he left, Buffalo didn't score again.

1241
00:58:21,154 --> 00:58:25,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jason's in Chiva, Japan. What's up, Jay?

1242
00:58:25,834 --> 00:58:27,074
Speaker 5: I think it's Cheapa, remember Ja.

1243
00:58:27,234 --> 00:58:31,394
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's up Jason? Jason?

1244
00:58:31,474 --> 00:58:31,834
Speaker 5: Jason?

1245
00:58:33,194 --> 00:58:37,634
Speaker 4: Those tsunamis, that's not that's not put it next to

1246
00:58:37,674 --> 00:58:38,394
Speaker 4: another diamond.

1247
00:58:38,394 --> 00:58:39,674
Speaker 5: It's Japan. It's a long time.

1248
00:58:39,674 --> 00:58:43,874
Speaker 4: All right, call back. We'll go to Ray in Atlanta.

1249
00:58:43,914 --> 00:58:44,593
Speaker 4: What's up, Ray?

1250
00:58:44,834 --> 00:58:45,874
Speaker 5: It's a quarter now, Paul.

1251
00:58:46,674 --> 00:58:48,474
Speaker 18: Hey, y'all guys doing all right?

1252
00:58:48,674 --> 00:58:49,113
Speaker 5: Hey? Ray?

1253
00:58:49,754 --> 00:58:53,234
Speaker 18: Hey, Yeah, I enjoyed that preseason yesterday I was going

1254
00:58:53,794 --> 00:59:04,274
Speaker 18: but yeah, definitely okay because you know, respectfully speaking, glad

1255
00:59:04,314 --> 00:59:06,234
Speaker 18: that you know Jerrod.

1256
00:59:07,834 --> 00:59:10,074
Speaker 4: We're having trouble with the connections today.

1257
00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:13,554
Speaker 18: He had a good run, but you know, you gotta go,

1258
00:59:14,034 --> 00:59:18,434
Speaker 18: you know, and and you know, I look forward to

1259
00:59:18,714 --> 00:59:22,394
Speaker 18: the future and Robert Kraft speech in a few minutes

1260
00:59:22,514 --> 00:59:25,073
Speaker 18: is going to be a movie. Grab your popcorn because

1261
00:59:25,274 --> 00:59:30,794
Speaker 18: we'll know who's gonna unfold. I'm trusting the journey on.

1262
00:59:31,154 --> 00:59:34,073
Speaker 18: It looked like, you know, it's gonna be brighter days

1263
00:59:34,354 --> 00:59:38,954
Speaker 18: in a in a long run. And Joe Milon does

1264
00:59:39,194 --> 00:59:42,674
Speaker 18: he did his thing yesterday. Keep him, you know, keep him,

1265
00:59:42,914 --> 00:59:45,994
Speaker 18: Keep Drake May of course that's one quarterback, but keep

1266
00:59:46,394 --> 00:59:49,314
Speaker 18: mil in because you know, it looked like he got

1267
00:59:49,354 --> 00:59:49,834
Speaker 18: done there.

1268
00:59:50,034 --> 00:59:52,754
Speaker 5: You know, absolute might be your backup. That's I think

1269
00:59:52,834 --> 00:59:55,514
Speaker 5: that's not an insignificant fact. If you have a cheap,

1270
00:59:55,594 --> 00:59:59,394
Speaker 5: affordable backup, I think that's a good that's a good asset.

1271
00:59:59,554 --> 01:00:03,514
Speaker 18: Yep, exactly. And you know it was just it was

1272
01:00:03,554 --> 01:00:07,954
Speaker 18: just getting out of hand with with the coach, you know,

1273
01:00:08,674 --> 01:00:14,874
Speaker 18: empty promises, backtracking things. And this is the overall demeanor

1274
01:00:15,034 --> 01:00:17,874
Speaker 18: of him, you know. I mean, I'm not gonna talk

1275
01:00:17,874 --> 01:00:19,994
Speaker 18: about the guy he met. He met well, but he's

1276
01:00:20,034 --> 01:00:23,954
Speaker 18: just not right now or whatever. He's just not fit

1277
01:00:24,114 --> 01:00:28,794
Speaker 18: for us. He'll be successful down the line, somewhere somebody

1278
01:00:28,874 --> 01:00:31,554
Speaker 18: can pick him up, you know, and he'll be he'll

1279
01:00:31,634 --> 01:00:34,874
Speaker 18: he'll he'll be great. And as far as the draft picks,

1280
01:00:35,234 --> 01:00:37,114
Speaker 18: I understand that, you know, a lot of majority of

1281
01:00:37,154 --> 01:00:40,514
Speaker 18: people are angry about you know, the number one you

1282
01:00:40,554 --> 01:00:46,834
Speaker 18: know pick. But first dips don't necessarily mean the greatest

1283
01:00:46,874 --> 01:00:51,274
Speaker 18: of players at that at that number one. You know,

1284
01:00:51,434 --> 01:00:54,394
Speaker 18: you go down the line and find a diamond or

1285
01:00:54,474 --> 01:00:59,994
Speaker 18: or or or something that changed the whole league, you know.

1286
01:01:00,194 --> 01:01:02,114
Speaker 18: So I understand, you know that we didn't get the

1287
01:01:02,194 --> 01:01:04,114
Speaker 18: number one, but we just got to work with what

1288
01:01:04,314 --> 01:01:07,114
Speaker 18: we have to work with, and that's number four. You

1289
01:01:07,354 --> 01:01:10,394
Speaker 18: know what's in for or you know, down the line.

1290
01:01:10,554 --> 01:01:13,234
Speaker 18: But that's all I got here and saying y'all.

1291
01:01:13,074 --> 01:01:18,114
Speaker 4: Again, appreciate the call. Yep, let's go to dominic in

1292
01:01:18,114 --> 01:01:21,994
Speaker 4: New York. Hey, dominic, Hell, y'all, how you doing all right?

1293
01:01:23,354 --> 01:01:26,194
Speaker 5: Yeah, So this situation.

1294
01:01:28,954 --> 01:01:34,274
Speaker 6: I feel terrible for Gerard because I put him in

1295
01:01:34,394 --> 01:01:39,634
Speaker 6: an untenable situation. I know that he has all the

1296
01:01:39,714 --> 01:01:44,114
Speaker 6: tools as a head coach to be successful in this league.

1297
01:01:45,434 --> 01:01:51,274
Speaker 6: He just needed more time before taking the job. In

1298
01:01:51,354 --> 01:01:56,514
Speaker 6: the end, I'm a fan of this team first, and

1299
01:01:56,634 --> 01:02:00,154
Speaker 6: now I have to go out and find a coach

1300
01:02:00,834 --> 01:02:04,674
Speaker 6: who can guess get us back to the playoffs and

1301
01:02:04,834 --> 01:02:13,394
Speaker 6: hopefully championships. We're open for questions.

1302
01:02:14,554 --> 01:02:18,994
Speaker 5: But Wally Bobert, just when was the decision made in

1303
01:02:19,034 --> 01:02:19,514
Speaker 5: your mind?

1304
01:02:19,554 --> 01:02:22,274
Speaker 7: When was it that you felt you needed to let

1305
01:02:22,354 --> 01:02:22,634
Speaker 7: him go?

1306
01:02:24,034 --> 01:02:29,434
Speaker 6: This whole situation evolved, but I'd say over the last

1307
01:02:29,594 --> 01:02:33,554
Speaker 6: month I went back and forth, and.

1308
01:02:35,194 --> 01:02:35,594
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1309
01:02:35,674 --> 01:02:40,354
Speaker 6: In my life and my business, I make certain decisions.

1310
01:02:40,434 --> 01:02:42,874
Speaker 6: I know when it's right, and it just happened, and

1311
01:02:43,914 --> 01:02:49,754
Speaker 6: it was very hard because the personal relationship I feel

1312
01:02:49,874 --> 01:02:54,234
Speaker 6: for girod and and the human being he is, and

1313
01:02:56,834 --> 01:03:00,034
Speaker 6: I felt guilty I put him in that position. But

1314
01:03:00,194 --> 01:03:00,914
Speaker 6: we're moving on.

1315
01:03:03,594 --> 01:03:08,994
Speaker 19: Hey, Robert, what will happen with, for instance, the personnel department?

1316
01:03:09,034 --> 01:03:11,874
Speaker 19: What decisions have you made with whoever the next coach

1317
01:03:12,034 --> 01:03:16,154
Speaker 19: is having the latitude to bring in his own players,

1318
01:03:16,194 --> 01:03:17,954
Speaker 19: his own skelling staff, his own coaches.

1319
01:03:18,794 --> 01:03:22,834
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, we'll wait till we bring that coach in.

1320
01:03:23,234 --> 01:03:30,354
Speaker 6: And he's obviously see he's gonna have big input on

1321
01:03:30,514 --> 01:03:33,874
Speaker 6: who the players are and who the coaches are. It

1322
01:03:33,914 --> 01:03:35,673
Speaker 6: would be his decisions, So.

1323
01:03:37,074 --> 01:03:39,674
Speaker 19: At this juncture would be status quo for everybody on

1324
01:03:39,714 --> 01:03:41,314
Speaker 19: the staff until the individuals.

1325
01:03:41,794 --> 01:03:45,514
Speaker 6: Yes, well, let look, we move fast and we're gonna

1326
01:03:46,794 --> 01:03:49,234
Speaker 6: let him make those decisions.

1327
01:03:50,074 --> 01:03:53,673
Speaker 20: How much going, Roy But I know that you don't

1328
01:03:53,714 --> 01:03:57,193
Speaker 20: make snap decisions. So I was wondering, at what point

1329
01:03:57,274 --> 01:04:00,434
Speaker 20: during the season did you say something was not right?

1330
01:04:00,474 --> 01:04:02,394
Speaker 20: And if you could expand on that what caught your

1331
01:04:02,394 --> 01:04:04,274
Speaker 20: attention that something wasn't right.

1332
01:04:05,914 --> 01:04:11,194
Speaker 6: Well, in the important decisions in my life, I've always

1333
01:04:11,234 --> 01:04:16,314
Speaker 6: said I measured nine times and cut once, and this

1334
01:04:16,554 --> 01:04:20,113
Speaker 6: was one of those situations. I guess the main thing

1335
01:04:20,274 --> 01:04:25,754
Speaker 6: for me is I felt we regressed the high The

1336
01:04:25,874 --> 01:04:30,434
Speaker 6: high point of everything for me was winning in the

1337
01:04:30,474 --> 01:04:36,514
Speaker 6: Cincinnati game, and then in mid mid season, I just

1338
01:04:37,034 --> 01:04:38,754
Speaker 6: think we started to regress.

1339
01:04:40,914 --> 01:04:44,714
Speaker 5: I don't hurt Robert.

1340
01:04:44,714 --> 01:04:48,594
Speaker 2: How significantly has fan reaction to the product on the

1341
01:04:48,594 --> 01:04:51,754
Speaker 2: field and too drud specifically played into your decision.

1342
01:04:52,194 --> 01:04:58,394
Speaker 6: Well, I'm the biggest fan, so I understand, and you

1343
01:04:58,434 --> 01:05:01,954
Speaker 6: know i've all since the day we bought this team,

1344
01:05:02,074 --> 01:05:05,714
Speaker 6: and I realized what a privilege it was and how

1345
01:05:05,794 --> 01:05:11,234
Speaker 6: lucky we were as a family that this is the

1346
01:05:11,274 --> 01:05:16,874
Speaker 6: only business we're involved in where I see ourselves. We

1347
01:05:16,954 --> 01:05:20,234
Speaker 6: don't own this team. It's owned by the fans of

1348
01:05:20,314 --> 01:05:25,554
Speaker 6: this region, and we're custodians of a very us or

1349
01:05:25,674 --> 01:05:30,154
Speaker 6: last out of the community. And that's why that helps

1350
01:05:30,234 --> 01:05:35,434
Speaker 6: me try to make decisions that if it was just personal,

1351
01:05:35,474 --> 01:05:36,314
Speaker 6: it would be different.

1352
01:05:37,514 --> 01:05:38,394
Speaker 5: If you're telling.

1353
01:05:40,594 --> 01:05:43,674
Speaker 21: Robert aside from yourself and Jonathan, who will be involved

1354
01:05:43,874 --> 01:05:46,554
Speaker 21: in the head coaching interviews and what traits are you

1355
01:05:46,634 --> 01:05:47,113
Speaker 21: looking for?

1356
01:05:48,794 --> 01:05:59,593
Speaker 6: Well, well, we'll have Alonso high Smith and Elliott will

1357
01:05:59,594 --> 01:06:04,834
Speaker 6: be involved and we're gonna try to understand who can

1358
01:06:04,954 --> 01:06:10,034
Speaker 6: help us best get back to the playoffs.

1359
01:06:12,514 --> 01:06:18,434
Speaker 9: Robert, does that mean Elliott and his staff are going

1360
01:06:18,514 --> 01:06:22,274
Speaker 9: to continue on or with? The coaching hire also impact

1361
01:06:22,794 --> 01:06:23,714
Speaker 9: your front office?

1362
01:06:24,994 --> 01:06:30,153
Speaker 6: We are looking for people working together and there will

1363
01:06:30,194 --> 01:06:31,554
Speaker 6: be staying on.

1364
01:06:33,234 --> 01:06:33,674
Speaker 4: Or day.

1365
01:06:35,634 --> 01:06:38,754
Speaker 17: Of Robert, When you say that the situation was untenable,

1366
01:06:38,914 --> 01:06:43,234
Speaker 17: what about it specifically did you find untenable and how

1367
01:06:43,274 --> 01:06:46,434
Speaker 17: will that influence how you approach this search.

1368
01:06:51,594 --> 01:06:54,754
Speaker 6: I don't like losing. I don't like losing the way

1369
01:06:54,834 --> 01:06:57,434
Speaker 6: we lost.

1370
01:06:56,594 --> 01:06:57,074
Speaker 7: And.

1371
01:06:59,434 --> 01:07:06,073
Speaker 6: I just just things we're not developing the way we

1372
01:07:06,114 --> 01:07:09,554
Speaker 6: would have liked and it was time to move on.

1373
01:07:14,154 --> 01:07:14,474
Speaker 22: Robert.

1374
01:07:14,474 --> 01:07:16,634
Speaker 5: How big of a search do you plan on conducting?

1375
01:07:16,634 --> 01:07:19,434
Speaker 5: How big of a coaching search do you plan on conducting?

1376
01:07:21,074 --> 01:07:27,474
Speaker 6: Well, we we wanna interview as many people as we

1377
01:07:27,554 --> 01:07:31,194
Speaker 6: can that we think can help us get to that

1378
01:07:31,314 --> 01:07:39,474
Speaker 6: position that we wanna be in. So we have put

1379
01:07:39,514 --> 01:07:45,593
Speaker 6: out and requests and uh Stacy will be filling you

1380
01:07:45,634 --> 01:07:46,394
Speaker 6: in on that.

1381
01:07:47,794 --> 01:07:47,994
Speaker 23: Job.

1382
01:07:48,074 --> 01:07:53,194
Speaker 18: The Paul, Robert, thank you for taking our questions appreciate

1383
01:07:53,234 --> 01:07:57,354
Speaker 18: it is Mike Vrabel at or near the top of

1384
01:07:57,394 --> 01:07:57,834
Speaker 18: your list.

1385
01:07:57,914 --> 01:07:59,874
Speaker 5: It seems to be. Uh, the talk.

1386
01:08:02,634 --> 01:08:07,554
Speaker 6: We Before I make a comment like that, I'd like,

1387
01:08:07,794 --> 01:08:14,674
Speaker 6: I don't know all the people involved, and uh, there

1388
01:08:14,674 --> 01:08:18,434
Speaker 6: are some wonderful people that we've heard about, so I'd

1389
01:08:18,554 --> 01:08:23,313
Speaker 6: rather respond to that after I've seen everyone talk.

1390
01:08:23,194 --> 01:08:26,514
Speaker 22: To you, Robert, can you speak a bit more to

1391
01:08:26,554 --> 01:08:29,674
Speaker 22: the timing of this? Did Gerard know before the game?

1392
01:08:30,594 --> 01:08:32,594
Speaker 7: I'm right over here. Sorry, sorry, thank you.

1393
01:08:33,034 --> 01:08:34,594
Speaker 22: I was wondering if you could speak a bit more

1394
01:08:34,634 --> 01:08:37,394
Speaker 22: to the timing of this. Did Gerard know before the

1395
01:08:37,474 --> 01:08:40,353
Speaker 22: game that this would be his last game coaching?

1396
01:08:41,434 --> 01:08:48,834
Speaker 6: No, I know this was.

1397
01:08:48,834 --> 01:08:52,474
Speaker 24: Very difficult for you to sit down with him. How

1398
01:08:52,514 --> 01:08:54,514
Speaker 24: did he take it? How did he respond? Was he

1399
01:08:54,594 --> 01:09:02,314
Speaker 24: shocked by the news? He was a man. Look, it

1400
01:09:02,434 --> 01:09:06,874
Speaker 24: was one of the more difficult things I've had a

1401
01:09:06,994 --> 01:09:11,274
Speaker 24: do in my life because I had such affection for

1402
01:09:11,354 --> 01:09:15,714
Speaker 24: him and I believe in him, and I really do

1403
01:09:15,794 --> 01:09:22,874
Speaker 24: believe he will go on and as he gets more experience,

1404
01:09:23,354 --> 01:09:31,354
Speaker 24: it will be successful. It was not easy.

1405
01:09:31,474 --> 01:09:37,034
Speaker 6: He was a gentleman and accepted it that way.

1406
01:09:40,114 --> 01:09:45,074
Speaker 21: Robert, this is going to be very expensive buying out

1407
01:09:45,074 --> 01:09:47,714
Speaker 21: a coaching staff, bringing in on new coaching staff. Perhaps

1408
01:09:47,714 --> 01:09:50,114
Speaker 21: it goes to the personnel department. You also have one

1409
01:09:50,194 --> 01:09:52,914
Speaker 21: hundred and twenty million dollars in cap space this year,

1410
01:09:52,914 --> 01:09:55,834
Speaker 21: the most in the league. Well, what you spend on

1411
01:09:55,874 --> 01:10:00,474
Speaker 21: this transition effect anything that you spend on players this offseason?

1412
01:10:01,594 --> 01:10:08,714
Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd the answer is no, we will. We've always

1413
01:10:10,034 --> 01:10:12,914
Speaker 6: had a situation where we spend to the cap and

1414
01:10:12,954 --> 01:10:17,234
Speaker 6: if we go over the We have never told any

1415
01:10:17,354 --> 01:10:21,314
Speaker 6: coach or limited the spending. The only thing we've said

1416
01:10:21,834 --> 01:10:24,834
Speaker 6: is if you exceed the cap, we like to see

1417
01:10:24,834 --> 01:10:30,474
Speaker 6: it over three years and you know so that we

1418
01:10:30,634 --> 01:10:35,154
Speaker 6: never get way out of hand. But spending to the

1419
01:10:35,234 --> 01:10:38,554
Speaker 6: cap or above the cap is not. We want to win.

1420
01:10:38,834 --> 01:10:40,394
Speaker 6: That's our priority first.

1421
01:10:41,674 --> 01:10:46,554
Speaker 25: Chris Gasper right, say hi, Robert back here, how are

1422
01:10:46,594 --> 01:10:49,874
Speaker 25: you You guys were told this was a multi year rebuild,

1423
01:10:49,914 --> 01:10:52,114
Speaker 25: that it wasn't going to turn around in one year.

1424
01:10:52,154 --> 01:10:53,994
Speaker 25: You said, you believe in Gerad, you think he'll be

1425
01:10:53,994 --> 01:10:56,794
Speaker 25: better with more experience, so why not let him get

1426
01:10:56,794 --> 01:11:00,794
Speaker 25: that experience here? Knowing going in this was a multi

1427
01:11:00,874 --> 01:11:04,914
Speaker 25: year process.

1428
01:11:05,074 --> 01:11:08,754
Speaker 6: Yeah. From my point of view, I just thought we

1429
01:11:08,754 --> 01:11:13,794
Speaker 6: were we had a rough year last year, not twenty

1430
01:11:13,834 --> 01:11:18,994
Speaker 6: four to twenty three, and going through two years like

1431
01:11:19,114 --> 01:11:24,394
Speaker 6: that and then seeing where we were this year, especially

1432
01:11:24,434 --> 01:11:29,794
Speaker 6: the second high the year just told me, just made

1433
01:11:29,874 --> 01:11:32,514
Speaker 6: me feel we weren't going in the direction, in the

1434
01:11:32,594 --> 01:11:37,154
Speaker 6: right direction, and I can't. I don't want to go

1435
01:11:37,234 --> 01:11:39,634
Speaker 6: through this next year, and we're going to do what

1436
01:11:39,674 --> 01:11:41,114
Speaker 6: we got to do to fix it.

1437
01:11:41,674 --> 01:11:47,514
Speaker 26: Which starts in the very bad Robert, Is there one

1438
01:11:48,194 --> 01:11:50,434
Speaker 26: quality when you go through this search with a new

1439
01:11:50,474 --> 01:11:53,874
Speaker 26: coach that you'll be looking for over everything else? Is

1440
01:11:53,874 --> 01:11:57,074
Speaker 26: there one quality in your opinion that will help lead

1441
01:11:57,074 --> 01:11:59,194
Speaker 26: to you getting back to being a contender and playing

1442
01:11:59,194 --> 01:12:00,754
Speaker 26: for championships.

1443
01:12:01,474 --> 01:12:05,153
Speaker 6: No, it's really a composite. I mean, you need someone

1444
01:12:06,034 --> 01:12:11,234
Speaker 6: who players can relate to and respond to, but they

1445
01:12:11,314 --> 01:12:14,153
Speaker 6: need to have a team around them that has product

1446
01:12:14,234 --> 01:12:21,474
Speaker 6: knowledge in game adjustments, knowing what their system is. Just

1447
01:12:21,554 --> 01:12:26,474
Speaker 6: a lot of things coming together, Robert.

1448
01:12:26,514 --> 01:12:31,594
Speaker 23: We saw Jonathan very animated during the Cardinals game on television.

1449
01:12:31,874 --> 01:12:35,554
Speaker 23: How much was he involved in this decision and how

1450
01:12:35,714 --> 01:12:39,034
Speaker 23: is he going to be involved in this decision about

1451
01:12:39,074 --> 01:12:40,474
Speaker 23: who your next coach will be?

1452
01:12:41,154 --> 01:12:45,034
Speaker 6: Well, for over thirty years he's been with me, and

1453
01:12:45,314 --> 01:12:49,514
Speaker 6: most decisions I've made in my life surely business ones

1454
01:12:49,554 --> 01:12:53,434
Speaker 6: that are important, so he will continue to be involved

1455
01:12:53,434 --> 01:12:53,754
Speaker 6: with me.

1456
01:12:56,954 --> 01:12:59,234
Speaker 27: Hi, Robert, thank you for taking the time. I was

1457
01:12:59,314 --> 01:13:01,674
Speaker 27: just curious. We know that you addressed the team this morning.

1458
01:13:02,874 --> 01:13:04,954
Speaker 27: We know that you addressed the team this morning, and

1459
01:13:05,074 --> 01:13:08,113
Speaker 27: a lot of the players were very on board with Drod.

1460
01:13:08,474 --> 01:13:10,674
Speaker 27: They really liked him. What was kind of the reaction

1461
01:13:10,834 --> 01:13:13,554
Speaker 27: from the players in terms of this decision?

1462
01:13:14,514 --> 01:13:24,274
Speaker 6: Well, I didn't get a chance to really interact. We've

1463
01:13:24,874 --> 01:13:28,074
Speaker 6: believe it or not. We had some very important outside

1464
01:13:28,154 --> 01:13:33,394
Speaker 6: people coming here today on something unrelated to the Patriots.

1465
01:13:33,794 --> 01:13:37,514
Speaker 6: That's why we scheduled it this day a while back,

1466
01:13:37,634 --> 01:13:43,194
Speaker 6: and I spoke to them about how I felt about

1467
01:13:43,274 --> 01:13:47,354
Speaker 6: Girard and what I tried to convey here today.

1468
01:13:47,594 --> 01:13:53,434
Speaker 8: Earlier, a couple of questions, Robert, did you have any

1469
01:13:53,474 --> 01:13:56,394
Speaker 8: input with the coaching staff about how to handle the

1470
01:13:56,434 --> 01:13:59,114
Speaker 8: final game of the season with the number one overall

1471
01:13:59,114 --> 01:14:01,114
Speaker 8: picket stake I have?

1472
01:14:01,354 --> 01:14:02,874
Speaker 4: Did you have any input did you talk to the

1473
01:14:02,874 --> 01:14:04,394
Speaker 4: coaching staff about how to handle the game?

1474
01:14:04,514 --> 01:14:11,234
Speaker 19: Now, Tom Kerr, this is a lot, Hey, Robert, I

1475
01:14:11,234 --> 01:14:16,034
Speaker 19: get number two the personnel department this past year, and

1476
01:14:16,114 --> 01:14:19,234
Speaker 19: free agency didn't really have a banner year, and also

1477
01:14:19,234 --> 01:14:22,354
Speaker 19: in the draft and Elliott and some of the other

1478
01:14:22,394 --> 01:14:24,594
Speaker 19: individuals there Mac grow have been part of the personnel

1479
01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:27,834
Speaker 19: department for a number of years. What is it that

1480
01:14:27,914 --> 01:14:31,554
Speaker 19: stands out to you about them that they should continue

1481
01:14:31,594 --> 01:14:34,234
Speaker 19: forward in the team building when the roster is not great.

1482
01:14:35,634 --> 01:14:43,874
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that the department evolved a lot and

1483
01:14:43,954 --> 01:14:47,474
Speaker 6: a lot of things were changed. We changed our grading

1484
01:14:47,594 --> 01:14:52,154
Speaker 6: system this year and have done things. Our drafts have

1485
01:14:52,394 --> 01:14:57,634
Speaker 6: not been good for a while, and that's not if

1486
01:14:57,714 --> 01:15:01,554
Speaker 6: you want if you want to compete long term and

1487
01:15:01,634 --> 01:15:03,794
Speaker 6: be good in this league, you got to have good

1488
01:15:03,914 --> 01:15:07,794
Speaker 6: drafts because those rookie contracts allow you to go out

1489
01:15:08,674 --> 01:15:12,914
Speaker 6: and get the people you need to surround people for

1490
01:15:13,194 --> 01:15:20,274
Speaker 6: we looks like we locked out. We maybe have two quarterbacks,

1491
01:15:23,674 --> 01:15:28,994
Speaker 6: but I think we'll hopefully see a big improvement this year.

1492
01:15:30,314 --> 01:15:33,714
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. I appreciate you all giving us

1493
01:15:33,794 --> 01:15:34,274
Speaker 6: the time.

1494
01:15:37,234 --> 01:15:41,834
Speaker 4: Okay, that was Robert Kraft answering questions. A lot to

1495
01:15:41,954 --> 01:15:42,794
Speaker 4: digest there.

1496
01:15:43,914 --> 01:15:46,994
Speaker 5: I don't think it was an easy decision. Yeah, I

1497
01:15:47,034 --> 01:15:49,354
Speaker 5: mean we all could have imagined that, but you could

1498
01:15:49,434 --> 01:15:51,234
Speaker 5: you could see and hear it in his voice, see

1499
01:15:51,274 --> 01:15:52,714
Speaker 5: it in his face and hear it in his voice.

1500
01:15:52,754 --> 01:15:56,394
Speaker 4: I mean The first thing he said was how badly

1501
01:15:56,474 --> 01:16:00,354
Speaker 4: he felt for putting Gerard in this position. And I

1502
01:16:00,394 --> 01:16:02,154
Speaker 4: think you can't get more accountable than that.

1503
01:16:02,194 --> 01:16:04,794
Speaker 5: This is on me. I put him in an untenable situation.

1504
01:16:04,954 --> 01:16:07,514
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that needed to be said.

1505
01:16:07,834 --> 01:16:08,954
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that stood out.

1506
01:16:08,994 --> 01:16:10,194
Speaker 7: I mean that seems like that was kind of the

1507
01:16:10,234 --> 01:16:11,594
Speaker 7: centerpiece of the whole thing.

1508
01:16:12,354 --> 01:16:14,434
Speaker 4: Well short statement, Yeah, I don't know if that was

1509
01:16:14,994 --> 01:16:18,754
Speaker 4: of the statement. Yeah, absolutely, But as we got into

1510
01:16:18,754 --> 01:16:23,554
Speaker 4: the questions, I thought it was interesting. On the Elliot

1511
01:16:23,554 --> 01:16:27,234
Speaker 4: Wolf question, we heard a couple of things that, you know,

1512
01:16:27,354 --> 01:16:29,754
Speaker 4: the coach coming in will have a lot of input,

1513
01:16:30,194 --> 01:16:32,114
Speaker 4: but that Elliott will be staying.

1514
01:16:32,394 --> 01:16:35,234
Speaker 5: He was asked a question. I think Tom Curran's first

1515
01:16:35,314 --> 01:16:38,874
Speaker 5: question was the state of the personnel department and the

1516
01:16:38,954 --> 01:16:41,834
Speaker 5: answer was, we're going to leave that up to the

1517
01:16:41,874 --> 01:16:44,634
Speaker 5: new coach and obviously he's going to have a lot

1518
01:16:44,634 --> 01:16:47,354
Speaker 5: of input on that and we'll make leave those decisions

1519
01:16:47,354 --> 01:16:51,754
Speaker 5: to him. A few questions later, when he was asked

1520
01:16:51,794 --> 01:16:55,714
Speaker 5: about who will be involved in the interview process, Alonzo

1521
01:16:55,794 --> 01:16:58,394
Speaker 5: Highsmith and Elliott Wolf were the two names that he

1522
01:16:58,434 --> 01:17:01,394
Speaker 5: mentioned that will be with I presume Robert and Jonathan,

1523
01:17:02,714 --> 01:17:07,594
Speaker 5: which begged to follow up which Karen Grigian asked, what

1524
01:17:07,794 --> 01:17:11,354
Speaker 5: is the state of Elliott Wolf? And I think Robert

1525
01:17:11,474 --> 01:17:14,674
Speaker 5: said that he expects those two to be back, So

1526
01:17:14,674 --> 01:17:17,674
Speaker 5: so I'm not necessarily sure that Maybe Robert didn't necessarily

1527
01:17:17,714 --> 01:17:22,354
Speaker 5: think personnel department was Elliott Wolf, right, and Alonzo Highsmith.

1528
01:17:22,394 --> 01:17:24,234
Speaker 5: Maybe he's talking scouts and.

1529
01:17:25,514 --> 01:17:27,874
Speaker 4: But but the follow up I guess that needed to

1530
01:17:27,874 --> 01:17:30,554
Speaker 4: be asked from there is if the person that you

1531
01:17:30,794 --> 01:17:36,194
Speaker 4: want says I want my own personnel, is that a

1532
01:17:36,274 --> 01:17:38,794
Speaker 4: deal breaker? Is that a deal breaker?

1533
01:17:38,954 --> 01:17:42,114
Speaker 7: Especially when Elliott Wolf and Alonzo high Smith are leading

1534
01:17:42,154 --> 01:17:43,474
Speaker 7: the interviews, which reminds.

1535
01:17:43,154 --> 01:17:45,554
Speaker 5: Means hiring me, you're fired right.

1536
01:17:45,594 --> 01:17:48,994
Speaker 7: Well with Bill in Atlanta, you know where they pull

1537
01:17:49,074 --> 01:17:52,314
Speaker 7: the internal coaches or the internal personnel people, Nobody, none

1538
01:17:52,314 --> 01:17:53,074
Speaker 7: of them wanted Bill.

1539
01:17:53,594 --> 01:17:57,154
Speaker 5: That's a great that's a great comment, Mike. So Elliott

1540
01:17:57,154 --> 01:17:59,554
Speaker 5: Wolf is going to come in, Mike, what do you

1541
01:17:59,554 --> 01:18:01,954
Speaker 5: think you're gonna do with the personnel department? Well, I

1542
01:18:01,994 --> 01:18:04,394
Speaker 5: have a guy in mind. It's this Ryan Cowden. No,

1543
01:18:04,554 --> 01:18:07,914
Speaker 5: you know, Robert, he's not he's not right. We don't

1544
01:18:07,954 --> 01:18:10,114
Speaker 5: want him like that's kind of the way it's been

1545
01:18:10,154 --> 01:18:13,194
Speaker 5: portrayed as have him gone down in Atlanta, you know,

1546
01:18:13,234 --> 01:18:15,954
Speaker 5: the Rich McKay's and the the is it Terry Fonto?

1547
01:18:16,074 --> 01:18:19,714
Speaker 5: I think think it's Terry. These guys all had their

1548
01:18:19,794 --> 01:18:22,594
Speaker 5: jobs and they all felt threatened if Bill came in.

1549
01:18:23,954 --> 01:18:28,114
Speaker 5: So if Ben Johnson wants a new personnel guy and

1550
01:18:28,194 --> 01:18:31,394
Speaker 5: the personnel guys that are existing that Roberts seems to

1551
01:18:31,394 --> 01:18:33,994
Speaker 5: think are gonna be here, how does that work?

1552
01:18:34,234 --> 01:18:34,434
Speaker 4: Right?

1553
01:18:35,674 --> 01:18:37,714
Speaker 7: It's got to be clarified to some degree. I think

1554
01:18:37,794 --> 01:18:39,914
Speaker 7: it's but I mean probably in the interview process itself.

1555
01:18:39,914 --> 01:18:41,874
Speaker 7: But you know, I think I think you're right, though

1556
01:18:41,874 --> 01:18:44,074
Speaker 7: maybe it's he's confusing a little bit. Who who we're

1557
01:18:44,074 --> 01:18:45,434
Speaker 7: talking We're talking to the scout.

1558
01:18:45,674 --> 01:18:47,794
Speaker 5: But doesn't that make sense that maybe he's thinking of

1559
01:18:48,034 --> 01:18:51,794
Speaker 5: personnel department, is you know, you know, the Cameron Williams

1560
01:18:51,834 --> 01:18:54,754
Speaker 5: of the world, and you know, and he's thinking of

1561
01:18:55,874 --> 01:18:58,554
Speaker 5: like Elliott Wolf and Alonzo Highsmith. Is a little bit

1562
01:18:58,634 --> 01:18:59,154
Speaker 5: higher than that.

1563
01:18:59,634 --> 01:19:03,274
Speaker 7: Yeah, fact people did use front office.

1564
01:19:03,394 --> 01:19:07,914
Speaker 5: Yeah no, I I think the reporters had no ambiguity.

1565
01:19:07,954 --> 01:19:11,234
Speaker 5: They were talking about everybody, and I think I think

1566
01:19:11,314 --> 01:19:16,034
Speaker 5: Robert's answer may have been sort of, I don't know,

1567
01:19:16,234 --> 01:19:18,354
Speaker 5: clouded a little bit. Maybe he was confused as to

1568
01:19:18,394 --> 01:19:21,114
Speaker 5: which elements he was talking about. I don't know. I

1569
01:19:21,154 --> 01:19:24,514
Speaker 5: don't know. I shouldn't speak for him, but it's gonna

1570
01:19:24,514 --> 01:19:26,034
Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting dynamic.

1571
01:19:25,754 --> 01:19:29,194
Speaker 4: But it is odd. You know, two people who could

1572
01:19:29,234 --> 01:19:32,314
Speaker 4: lose their job in a new regime are the ones

1573
01:19:32,714 --> 01:19:36,634
Speaker 4: going to be involved in the interviews. So yeah, I

1574
01:19:36,634 --> 01:19:37,874
Speaker 4: don't know that's going to work.

1575
01:19:37,914 --> 01:19:40,114
Speaker 5: Well, I just like I said, I think that there

1576
01:19:40,154 --> 01:19:43,114
Speaker 5: was two different answers to that question. He said specifically

1577
01:19:43,194 --> 01:19:45,074
Speaker 5: that those two guys are going to be here. Yeah,

1578
01:19:45,154 --> 01:19:48,514
Speaker 5: high Smith and Wolf will be here. Prior to that,

1579
01:19:48,554 --> 01:19:51,354
Speaker 5: he said he would leave the personnel decisions to the

1580
01:19:51,394 --> 01:19:55,074
Speaker 5: new coach. So I don't have any other way to

1581
01:19:55,114 --> 01:19:57,434
Speaker 5: extrapolate out of that as just saying that he's not

1582
01:19:57,474 --> 01:20:00,034
Speaker 5: talking about Wolf and high Smith when he's talking about

1583
01:20:00,554 --> 01:20:02,714
Speaker 5: the personnel department. But I don't. I don't know that,

1584
01:20:02,794 --> 01:20:02,954
Speaker 5: you know.

1585
01:20:03,034 --> 01:20:05,034
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is, well, if Wolf and

1586
01:20:05,114 --> 01:20:07,994
Speaker 4: high Smith weren't involved, is it just Robert and Jonathan?

1587
01:20:08,794 --> 01:20:11,194
Speaker 4: I mean, like it's it's a tough situation.

1588
01:20:11,354 --> 01:20:13,154
Speaker 5: I told you Fred Kirk should be there too.

1589
01:20:13,594 --> 01:20:15,114
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't I don't have time I

1590
01:20:15,154 --> 01:20:15,514
Speaker 4: have to do.

1591
01:20:16,474 --> 01:20:21,034
Speaker 5: I don't do pu You know, Ben, Ben, can you

1592
01:20:21,114 --> 01:20:23,114
Speaker 5: come at too, We'll be done at Hey.

1593
01:20:23,154 --> 01:20:24,434
Speaker 4: You want to have him on the show?

1594
01:20:24,594 --> 01:20:29,114
Speaker 5: Ben? And yeah, yeah, a little yeah.

1595
01:20:29,194 --> 01:20:32,234
Speaker 4: We'll tell a standpoll while you're here. Test Evans here.

1596
01:20:32,434 --> 01:20:34,634
Speaker 7: Hello, there's no song.

1597
01:20:35,634 --> 01:20:39,554
Speaker 4: It's not really bad, which is not there's no practice,

1598
01:20:39,874 --> 01:20:42,274
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess. But where are you back? You're

1599
01:20:42,314 --> 01:20:43,474
Speaker 4: back from the press conference?

1600
01:20:43,514 --> 01:20:48,234
Speaker 3: Press conference? Packed house, very packed house. Yeah, one of

1601
01:20:48,234 --> 01:20:51,674
Speaker 3: the more packed houses I've ever seen, uh, at least

1602
01:20:51,674 --> 01:20:52,154
Speaker 3: in that work.

1603
01:20:52,274 --> 01:20:55,514
Speaker 5: Were they passing microphones around? They were passing my thank goodness,

1604
01:20:55,914 --> 01:20:57,554
Speaker 5: the questions came through crystal clear.

1605
01:20:57,714 --> 01:21:00,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were. They were passing microphones. And I thought

1606
01:21:00,794 --> 01:21:03,874
Speaker 3: that his opening statement said at all and I recommend

1607
01:21:03,914 --> 01:21:05,754
Speaker 3: him for falling on the sword a little bit there

1608
01:21:05,834 --> 01:21:08,634
Speaker 3: because I feel like that's how we all feel about

1609
01:21:08,674 --> 01:21:11,514
Speaker 3: this situation. He just wasn't ready and they put him

1610
01:21:11,514 --> 01:21:12,474
Speaker 3: in this position.

1611
01:21:12,154 --> 01:21:13,834
Speaker 5: Put him an unable situation.

1612
01:21:13,874 --> 01:21:16,994
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he said it perfectly. So I thought that,

1613
01:21:17,954 --> 01:21:20,874
Speaker 3: you know, there was some interesting other points from the questions,

1614
01:21:20,914 --> 01:21:23,994
Speaker 3: but that that's the that's the bottom line right.

1615
01:21:23,914 --> 01:21:25,794
Speaker 5: There there, It is right there. You know, I'm looking

1616
01:21:25,834 --> 01:21:29,474
Speaker 5: at my shows. This whole situation is on me. That's

1617
01:21:29,474 --> 01:21:32,514
Speaker 5: how we opened it up. Yeah, couldn't be any more accountable.

1618
01:21:32,594 --> 01:21:37,394
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep. So once you got into the questions and answers,

1619
01:21:37,954 --> 01:21:40,834
Speaker 4: you know, we're still a little bit confused about the

1620
01:21:40,874 --> 01:21:45,834
Speaker 4: personal process and the personnel department and how that's going

1621
01:21:45,914 --> 01:21:49,514
Speaker 4: to work. If a coach comes in and says, I

1622
01:21:49,554 --> 01:21:51,914
Speaker 4: want my own people, is that a deal breaker?

1623
01:21:52,554 --> 01:21:56,554
Speaker 3: I don't know. It definitely sounds like Elliott Wolfe will

1624
01:21:56,554 --> 01:21:59,314
Speaker 3: be back. He said he's staying on, so in some

1625
01:21:59,394 --> 01:22:01,874
Speaker 3: capacity he will be back, and he's going to be

1626
01:22:01,914 --> 01:22:04,194
Speaker 3: involved in the in the interview, so I would think

1627
01:22:04,234 --> 01:22:08,954
Speaker 3: that for right now he's their personnel guy. And moving forward. Now,

1628
01:22:08,994 --> 01:22:13,474
Speaker 3: the question that I have, especially if it's an experienced coach,

1629
01:22:13,634 --> 01:22:16,514
Speaker 3: you know Mike Rabel, for instance, would you then give

1630
01:22:16,554 --> 01:22:21,114
Speaker 3: that coach control of the roster? Right, So, maybe Elliott's

1631
01:22:21,114 --> 01:22:23,634
Speaker 3: picking the players, but when we get down to brass

1632
01:22:23,674 --> 01:22:27,034
Speaker 3: tax and training camp, the fifty three is up to

1633
01:22:27,674 --> 01:22:29,874
Speaker 3: that coach. Now, you probably wouldn't do that with a

1634
01:22:29,954 --> 01:22:33,314
Speaker 3: first time head coach, but maybe somebody that you felt

1635
01:22:33,434 --> 01:22:36,954
Speaker 3: was comfortable in that role, uh doing that moving forward

1636
01:22:37,114 --> 01:22:39,474
Speaker 3: to maybe pivot that away from Elliot alone.

1637
01:22:39,714 --> 01:22:43,153
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not uncommon in this situation for a personnel

1638
01:22:43,194 --> 01:22:46,714
Speaker 4: staff to stay on until after the draft and then

1639
01:22:46,754 --> 01:22:51,874
Speaker 4: the new regime makes this decision about gutting it or right,

1640
01:22:52,914 --> 01:22:55,274
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of work that's already been done

1641
01:22:56,114 --> 01:22:58,554
Speaker 4: to get ready for the draft and free agency that

1642
01:22:58,714 --> 01:23:00,274
Speaker 4: you know, you don't want to just throw it out

1643
01:23:00,314 --> 01:23:00,754
Speaker 4: the window.

1644
01:23:01,034 --> 01:23:02,834
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all the live scouting has already been

1645
01:23:02,834 --> 01:23:05,234
Speaker 3: done obviously all these college teams for the most part,

1646
01:23:05,314 --> 01:23:07,794
Speaker 3: unless you're in the playoff or are done with their season,

1647
01:23:07,914 --> 01:23:10,834
Speaker 3: So all the in person exposures, that's all already. The

1648
01:23:10,874 --> 01:23:13,234
Speaker 3: hey is already in the barn there, so a lot

1649
01:23:13,234 --> 01:23:16,594
Speaker 3: of that type of stuff is already graded out.

1650
01:23:16,714 --> 01:23:19,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, portant, and I you know, it's it's fair to

1651
01:23:19,194 --> 01:23:22,274
Speaker 4: wonder like, well, if a regime, no, if a personnel

1652
01:23:22,314 --> 01:23:25,674
Speaker 4: department knows they're just going to get scanned once the

1653
01:23:25,754 --> 01:23:29,034
Speaker 4: draft is over, what's their motivation for you know, doing

1654
01:23:29,074 --> 01:23:32,994
Speaker 4: a good job. But it's their livelihood and it's their reputation,

1655
01:23:33,514 --> 01:23:37,194
Speaker 4: So they're not gonna half asset. They want the team

1656
01:23:37,234 --> 01:23:40,154
Speaker 4: to have a good draft because because I was involved,

1657
01:23:40,194 --> 01:23:42,914
Speaker 4: it would look well right, right, So there is motivation

1658
01:23:42,994 --> 01:23:45,674
Speaker 4: for you even if you think that you're gonna lose

1659
01:23:45,674 --> 01:23:49,874
Speaker 4: your job after the draft to still do your best

1660
01:23:50,834 --> 01:23:51,674
Speaker 4: up until that point.

1661
01:23:51,754 --> 01:23:54,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was telling. Towards the very end

1662
01:23:54,914 --> 01:23:58,074
Speaker 3: he mentioned the quarterbacks and as much as we can

1663
01:23:58,554 --> 01:24:00,514
Speaker 3: get on Elliott Wolf for the rest of his off

1664
01:24:00,594 --> 01:24:03,394
Speaker 3: season last year, when you hit on the quarterback, it

1665
01:24:03,874 --> 01:24:06,514
Speaker 3: usually you get some time to fill out the roster

1666
01:24:06,634 --> 01:24:10,514
Speaker 3: around the quarterback. You don't normally see a personnel guy

1667
01:24:10,594 --> 01:24:14,074
Speaker 3: that drafts a franchise quarterback in Drake May and then

1668
01:24:14,114 --> 01:24:17,154
Speaker 3: gets one and done immediately after that. I would agree

1669
01:24:17,434 --> 01:24:20,634
Speaker 3: you tend to see that kind of come to fruition

1670
01:24:20,674 --> 01:24:22,074
Speaker 3: a little bit and let's see what he can build

1671
01:24:22,074 --> 01:24:23,914
Speaker 3: around it. And then he made the joke, but I

1672
01:24:24,154 --> 01:24:26,354
Speaker 3: think he was kind of half seerious about Joe Milton.

1673
01:24:26,474 --> 01:24:28,954
Speaker 3: You know, any we have two Yeah, you know how

1674
01:24:29,034 --> 01:24:33,114
Speaker 3: how well he played yesterday and that being an asset

1675
01:24:33,154 --> 01:24:35,474
Speaker 3: as well. So if you give this coaching story, this

1676
01:24:35,714 --> 01:24:38,994
Speaker 3: front office essentially two quarterbacks one and a half. Let's

1677
01:24:38,994 --> 01:24:39,754
Speaker 3: call it with Milton.

1678
01:24:40,114 --> 01:24:42,034
Speaker 5: But if he could be your backup, there's value to

1679
01:24:42,074 --> 01:24:44,434
Speaker 5: that because it's a cheap backup and you don't have

1680
01:24:44,514 --> 01:24:47,914
Speaker 5: to spend you know, five ten million on you know,

1681
01:24:48,154 --> 01:24:51,954
Speaker 5: Jacobe Brissett and you know, we we probably won't find

1682
01:24:51,954 --> 01:24:55,714
Speaker 5: that out until like OTA's mini camp ish, but I

1683
01:24:55,714 --> 01:24:58,994
Speaker 5: wouldn't I wouldn't expect them to sign a veteran backup

1684
01:24:59,074 --> 01:25:03,674
Speaker 5: until then because they're going to assume that he's the backup.

1685
01:25:04,234 --> 01:25:05,954
Speaker 5: And I think that is a good asset to have,

1686
01:25:06,474 --> 01:25:08,754
Speaker 5: given the second rep extra but it gives you some

1687
01:25:08,794 --> 01:25:11,274
Speaker 5: extra money to play with it that other teams don't

1688
01:25:11,274 --> 01:25:12,034
Speaker 5: have that luxury.

1689
01:25:12,554 --> 01:25:15,714
Speaker 4: In the interview that I guess Henry McKenna did with Wolf,

1690
01:25:16,434 --> 01:25:18,874
Speaker 4: one of the quotes that stood out to me was

1691
01:25:18,914 --> 01:25:25,514
Speaker 4: Wolf said we expected more internal development for the players,

1692
01:25:27,034 --> 01:25:29,434
Speaker 4: And to me, that was, like, that's just throwing all

1693
01:25:29,514 --> 01:25:33,594
Speaker 4: the assistant coaches under the bus. And so I don't

1694
01:25:33,634 --> 01:25:34,794
Speaker 4: know if you took it the same way.

1695
01:25:34,914 --> 01:25:37,674
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a fair point, and you certainly

1696
01:25:37,714 --> 01:25:40,874
Speaker 3: can look at guys from these last couple of draft classes.

1697
01:25:40,914 --> 01:25:43,354
Speaker 3: I think Keon White's a perfect example, Like they probably

1698
01:25:43,354 --> 01:25:47,154
Speaker 3: thought from a front office, you know, perspective, that Keon

1699
01:25:47,274 --> 01:25:49,954
Speaker 3: White was going to emerge this year as a real

1700
01:25:49,994 --> 01:25:52,754
Speaker 3: impact player for them, and he went backwards. So you

1701
01:25:52,794 --> 01:25:54,634
Speaker 3: look at that type of thing, you know, just all

1702
01:25:54,674 --> 01:25:56,954
Speaker 3: throughout the roster. I mean, we've talked about all the

1703
01:25:56,954 --> 01:26:00,674
Speaker 3: guys that they've brought back on extensions that have regressed,

1704
01:26:01,114 --> 01:26:03,714
Speaker 3: you know, from this year to last year. So all

1705
01:26:03,754 --> 01:26:06,154
Speaker 3: that is I guess fair. I mean, you know, we'll

1706
01:26:06,394 --> 01:26:09,754
Speaker 3: see if a different coaching staff can get it out

1707
01:26:09,754 --> 01:26:11,474
Speaker 3: of those players, and we'll and then we can kind

1708
01:26:11,514 --> 01:26:12,194
Speaker 3: of that's.

1709
01:26:12,034 --> 01:26:15,954
Speaker 5: A great point on the development part. We keep talking

1710
01:26:15,954 --> 01:26:18,394
Speaker 5: about draft and development and you mentioned, you know, they

1711
01:26:18,434 --> 01:26:21,114
Speaker 5: thought that Polk was a plug and play kind of player.

1712
01:26:21,914 --> 01:26:24,154
Speaker 5: That's an element of it that I think hasn't been

1713
01:26:24,154 --> 01:26:27,474
Speaker 5: talked about as much. Is all of those guys that

1714
01:26:27,514 --> 01:26:31,914
Speaker 5: they resigned seems like they were better players before. So

1715
01:26:32,034 --> 01:26:34,954
Speaker 5: that's like a lack of development too. And you want

1716
01:26:34,994 --> 01:26:37,314
Speaker 5: to say that maybe there was a shot being taken

1717
01:26:37,354 --> 01:26:40,394
Speaker 5: at the coaches, Maybe it's rightly.

1718
01:26:40,474 --> 01:26:43,234
Speaker 4: So yeah, So I mean job one once you get

1719
01:26:43,234 --> 01:26:46,754
Speaker 4: that head coach in here is what's his staff? Who

1720
01:26:46,754 --> 01:26:51,274
Speaker 4: were you getting in here to develop players? You know?

1721
01:26:51,434 --> 01:26:55,194
Speaker 4: So the better the network that coach coming in has,

1722
01:26:55,474 --> 01:26:57,954
Speaker 4: the better off you're going to be, because what are

1723
01:26:57,994 --> 01:26:59,914
Speaker 4: you gonna have a whole round of interviews for a

1724
01:26:59,954 --> 01:27:02,354
Speaker 4: whole staff of coaches. I mean, by the time we're finished,

1725
01:27:02,354 --> 01:27:03,914
Speaker 4: it'll be twenty twenty five season.

1726
01:27:03,994 --> 01:27:05,554
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what we did last year, I know.

1727
01:27:05,834 --> 01:27:07,634
Speaker 3: And that was really what stood out to me in

1728
01:27:07,954 --> 01:27:11,914
Speaker 3: the very beginning with Girodd was just how little connections

1729
01:27:11,954 --> 01:27:14,994
Speaker 3: he had to build a staff, right, And so a

1730
01:27:14,994 --> 01:27:18,474
Speaker 3: lot of these guys Rabel Ben Johnson, like these coaches

1731
01:27:18,514 --> 01:27:21,834
Speaker 3: are going to come with a plan. This is gonna

1732
01:27:21,874 --> 01:27:24,474
Speaker 3: be my OC, this is gonna be my DC. You know,

1733
01:27:24,674 --> 01:27:27,234
Speaker 3: we'll fill in the position coaches maybe as we go

1734
01:27:27,314 --> 01:27:29,554
Speaker 3: a little bit, but they're going to have guys that

1735
01:27:29,594 --> 01:27:33,073
Speaker 3: are gonna come with them to these destinations that they're

1736
01:27:33,114 --> 01:27:35,834
Speaker 3: interviewing for. And it always felt like they were flying

1737
01:27:35,874 --> 01:27:37,314
Speaker 3: by the seat of their pants a little bit with

1738
01:27:37,354 --> 01:27:37,994
Speaker 3: the coaching staff.

1739
01:27:38,034 --> 01:27:39,594
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna have to have twelve

1740
01:27:39,634 --> 01:27:42,994
Speaker 5: interviews for an offensive coordinator, right. I think that it's

1741
01:27:43,954 --> 01:27:46,394
Speaker 5: reasonable to expect both of those guys that Evan just

1742
01:27:46,434 --> 01:27:49,354
Speaker 5: mentioned will have guys in mind for at least the

1743
01:27:49,394 --> 01:27:51,474
Speaker 5: coordinator rules. Now, maybe you've got to fill out your

1744
01:27:51,514 --> 01:27:55,474
Speaker 5: staff because I don't know if Ben Johnson has fifteen

1745
01:27:55,514 --> 01:27:57,954
Speaker 5: guys that are at the ready if he gets a job,

1746
01:27:58,274 --> 01:28:00,234
Speaker 5: But I'm sure he's thought about it. He's been a

1747
01:28:00,314 --> 01:28:01,274
Speaker 5: hot commodity for.

1748
01:28:01,194 --> 01:28:03,234
Speaker 4: A couple of years, comes in here, I want him

1749
01:28:03,274 --> 01:28:05,194
Speaker 4: to be the coordinator offensive.

1750
01:28:05,274 --> 01:28:07,874
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but he'll still need an offensive coordinator.

1751
01:28:07,874 --> 01:28:08,634
Speaker 4: No, you know, you.

1752
01:28:08,674 --> 01:28:09,594
Speaker 3: Still need a staff.

1753
01:28:09,634 --> 01:28:10,794
Speaker 4: You need a staff, but you.

1754
01:28:10,754 --> 01:28:14,354
Speaker 5: Don't you still need an offensive coordinator. Like someone's got

1755
01:28:14,354 --> 01:28:16,034
Speaker 5: to be the offensive doesn't.

1756
01:28:16,474 --> 01:28:18,234
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has an offensive but he's the guy that

1757
01:28:18,274 --> 01:28:19,034
Speaker 4: calls the plays.

1758
01:28:19,274 --> 01:28:21,194
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I know, but you still need an offensive

1759
01:28:21,194 --> 01:28:21,994
Speaker 5: coordinat a guy.

1760
01:28:22,434 --> 01:28:24,834
Speaker 4: You need a guy to help you coordinate the offense,

1761
01:28:26,914 --> 01:28:31,114
Speaker 4: but he can still be the OC. I don't know

1762
01:28:31,154 --> 01:28:32,034
Speaker 4: what that's going on.

1763
01:28:33,314 --> 01:28:37,554
Speaker 5: Can I go to something that's something that's always kind

1764
01:28:37,554 --> 01:28:41,474
Speaker 5: of like baffled me, the whole personnel thing, and you know,

1765
01:28:41,674 --> 01:28:43,194
Speaker 5: all the work has been done in the draft and

1766
01:28:43,194 --> 01:28:45,434
Speaker 5: blah blah blah, And I agree with you, like there's

1767
01:28:45,474 --> 01:28:48,234
Speaker 5: a lot in it for the guys that are picking

1768
01:28:48,274 --> 01:28:50,594
Speaker 5: players to do it well because they want their next

1769
01:28:50,634 --> 01:28:55,354
Speaker 5: job if they're going out the door. Let's go back

1770
01:28:55,394 --> 01:28:57,674
Speaker 5: to what Robert Craft said. You know that the new

1771
01:28:57,714 --> 01:28:59,354
Speaker 5: coach is obviously going to have a big say in

1772
01:28:59,394 --> 01:29:03,074
Speaker 5: the personnel department, you know, like, so let's just say

1773
01:29:03,154 --> 01:29:06,954
Speaker 5: that Ben Johnson has you know, whoever the assistant is

1774
01:29:06,954 --> 01:29:10,274
Speaker 5: in Detroit. He loves that's going to be his GM.

1775
01:29:10,474 --> 01:29:14,194
Speaker 5: Hasn't he done a lot of work on the draft too, right, Like,

1776
01:29:14,274 --> 01:29:16,954
Speaker 5: you don't have to keep the existing personnel department because

1777
01:29:16,954 --> 01:29:17,714
Speaker 5: they've done all the work.

1778
01:29:17,794 --> 01:29:18,434
Speaker 4: You don't have to.

1779
01:29:18,514 --> 01:29:21,234
Speaker 5: And I understand that, you know, a team might have

1780
01:29:21,314 --> 01:29:24,554
Speaker 5: a different grading system and maybe different needs players and

1781
01:29:24,674 --> 01:29:28,434
Speaker 5: needs that they want. But you're your person. Your scouts

1782
01:29:28,434 --> 01:29:31,274
Speaker 5: are scouting the entirety of the draft, all the players

1783
01:29:31,274 --> 01:29:34,754
Speaker 5: that are available. Right, So I'm going to guess that

1784
01:29:34,834 --> 01:29:37,274
Speaker 5: Mike Rabel or Ben Johnson, whoever else is going to

1785
01:29:37,354 --> 01:29:39,714
Speaker 5: come in and be the next coach, isn't going to

1786
01:29:39,794 --> 01:29:43,514
Speaker 5: hire someone who who has Paul Perillo, who hasn't looked

1787
01:29:43,514 --> 01:29:49,154
Speaker 5: at one draft prospect Scataboo. I mean this Scataboo kid.

1788
01:29:49,194 --> 01:29:52,514
Speaker 5: I want him in round four. Like, whoever gets hired

1789
01:29:52,594 --> 01:29:54,314
Speaker 5: as the new guy has done all the work.

1790
01:29:55,034 --> 01:29:56,954
Speaker 7: It's your question. You know that what looked like what

1791
01:29:56,994 --> 01:29:59,394
Speaker 7: am out of the scouting information is like proprietary and

1792
01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:01,394
Speaker 7: can you take from your current team? You know, like

1793
01:30:01,394 --> 01:30:03,714
Speaker 7: I'm sure he studied them, but like is he allowed

1794
01:30:03,754 --> 01:30:05,914
Speaker 7: to take his files with him to the new team?

1795
01:30:05,994 --> 01:30:07,154
Speaker 7: Like you know, those kind of things.

1796
01:30:07,154 --> 01:30:10,074
Speaker 5: I will say, stacking and great and whatnot. But like

1797
01:30:10,154 --> 01:30:11,714
Speaker 5: you have the knowledge.

1798
01:30:11,314 --> 01:30:15,114
Speaker 4: Of your knowledge, you know. But I'm almost certain that

1799
01:30:15,234 --> 01:30:19,354
Speaker 4: all the files, all the database information, everything you've done

1800
01:30:19,714 --> 01:30:21,354
Speaker 4: is property of the New England Patriots.

1801
01:30:21,634 --> 01:30:23,754
Speaker 5: I agree with that, But I think that you have

1802
01:30:23,914 --> 01:30:25,074
Speaker 5: the actual information.

1803
01:30:25,354 --> 01:30:28,354
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know what you've done, you know your opinions.

1804
01:30:27,874 --> 01:30:30,914
Speaker 5: You know, like in terms of grating and stacking. Again,

1805
01:30:31,074 --> 01:30:34,394
Speaker 5: like the Patriots might say, well, we're really heavy on

1806
01:30:34,474 --> 01:30:37,674
Speaker 5: offensive linemen, and we're really heavy on on wide receivers,

1807
01:30:37,714 --> 01:30:40,634
Speaker 5: whereas Detroit might not be as heavy on those, especially

1808
01:30:40,714 --> 01:30:44,154
Speaker 5: offensive line You've got a great one. So maybe they're

1809
01:30:44,194 --> 01:30:47,194
Speaker 5: they're focusing on different areas. But the breadth of knowledge

1810
01:30:47,194 --> 01:30:49,434
Speaker 5: of the draft, I think is especially.

1811
01:30:49,154 --> 01:30:51,274
Speaker 7: For the guy whose system it is. He knows specifically

1812
01:30:51,394 --> 01:30:53,474
Speaker 7: kind of what he wants, the traits that he's looking for,

1813
01:30:53,514 --> 01:30:55,394
Speaker 7: and you know, here might have been different, and the

1814
01:30:55,394 --> 01:30:57,674
Speaker 7: breakdowns and the scouting the traits that they're looking for

1815
01:30:57,834 --> 01:31:00,474
Speaker 7: might be completely different than you know they maybe Ben

1816
01:31:00,554 --> 01:31:02,434
Speaker 7: Johnson wants fast wide receivers you know.

1817
01:31:02,594 --> 01:31:04,074
Speaker 3: Oh really those exist?

1818
01:31:04,634 --> 01:31:08,354
Speaker 4: I would receivers got a draft fast guy.

1819
01:31:08,514 --> 01:31:10,874
Speaker 3: Yes, that is why it is tempting a little bit

1820
01:31:10,994 --> 01:31:14,034
Speaker 3: to to maybe turn some of this stuff over to

1821
01:31:14,074 --> 01:31:17,434
Speaker 3: the new head coach in terms of picking the groceries, Like,

1822
01:31:17,514 --> 01:31:19,674
Speaker 3: I don't need to go all like the full Belichick

1823
01:31:19,754 --> 01:31:22,834
Speaker 3: model where it's just one guy doing everything, but I

1824
01:31:22,834 --> 01:31:26,154
Speaker 3: do wonder you know how much they're gonna Elliott Wolf

1825
01:31:26,194 --> 01:31:29,074
Speaker 3: and his staff that's currently here bend a little bit

1826
01:31:29,154 --> 01:31:32,354
Speaker 3: to the Mike Rabel type of player, the Ben Johnson

1827
01:31:32,394 --> 01:31:35,194
Speaker 3: type of player, whoever it ends up being, because you

1828
01:31:35,234 --> 01:31:37,514
Speaker 3: know that we've talked about this like that, that could

1829
01:31:37,554 --> 01:31:39,954
Speaker 3: be significantly different from a Belichick type of player.

1830
01:31:39,994 --> 01:31:41,994
Speaker 4: If I'm a guy who wants to run the place,

1831
01:31:42,794 --> 01:31:45,754
Speaker 4: I say to them, listen, I'm okay if you keep

1832
01:31:45,754 --> 01:31:47,554
Speaker 4: these people. But at the end of the day, it's

1833
01:31:47,634 --> 01:31:50,794
Speaker 4: my call. I will listen to them, I will take

1834
01:31:50,834 --> 01:31:53,834
Speaker 4: their input, I will value their input, and I will

1835
01:31:53,874 --> 01:31:57,354
Speaker 4: respect the work that they've done. But if it comes

1836
01:31:57,394 --> 01:32:01,754
Speaker 4: down to my way or my decision or their decision,

1837
01:32:01,914 --> 01:32:04,794
Speaker 4: it's going to be my decision. And as long as

1838
01:32:04,874 --> 01:32:09,634
Speaker 4: I get that agreement from the ownership, then I'm okay.

1839
01:32:09,794 --> 01:32:13,074
Speaker 4: I'm okay with keeping the current staff. I'm just you know,

1840
01:32:13,154 --> 01:32:16,474
Speaker 4: speaking out loud. Now. I've also heard that Ben Johnson

1841
01:32:16,714 --> 01:32:19,794
Speaker 4: has already put out there that one of the main

1842
01:32:19,834 --> 01:32:24,113
Speaker 4: things he's looking for is alignment with ownership. Yeah, skipping

1843
01:32:24,154 --> 01:32:29,354
Speaker 4: over right to ownership. Alignment with ownership, that ownership and

1844
01:32:29,474 --> 01:32:33,354
Speaker 4: myself are aligned. So I don't know if that's a

1845
01:32:33,394 --> 01:32:37,994
Speaker 4: shot across the bow about I need to have complete say,

1846
01:32:38,594 --> 01:32:41,594
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, below the ownership level.

1847
01:32:42,394 --> 01:32:44,114
Speaker 7: Also, i'd also just like focus a little bit on

1848
01:32:44,114 --> 01:32:45,994
Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball too. I mean, we're

1849
01:32:46,074 --> 01:32:48,274
Speaker 7: you know, talking so much about scheme and you know,

1850
01:32:48,314 --> 01:32:49,874
Speaker 7: on the offensive side of the ball, and you just

1851
01:32:50,114 --> 01:32:52,194
Speaker 7: you wonder what a new head coach is gonna look

1852
01:32:52,234 --> 01:32:55,794
Speaker 7: at this defense and think, you know, it's not like

1853
01:32:55,874 --> 01:32:58,314
Speaker 7: a core defense has kind of existed there. It's you know,

1854
01:32:58,314 --> 01:32:59,954
Speaker 7: it's kind of a bag of parts right now. I

1855
01:32:59,994 --> 01:33:03,154
Speaker 7: would almost say, certainly like some corners that can play man,

1856
01:33:03,194 --> 01:33:05,234
Speaker 7: and I think that's a great place to start from.

1857
01:33:05,234 --> 01:33:07,954
Speaker 7: But I also wonder coach comes in Rabel, like he

1858
01:33:07,994 --> 01:33:10,714
Speaker 7: looks at this defense, does he get away from all,

1859
01:33:10,794 --> 01:33:12,914
Speaker 7: you know, what Belichick likes to do with game plan stuff.

1860
01:33:12,954 --> 01:33:14,474
Speaker 7: Does he go back to just a base kind of

1861
01:33:14,474 --> 01:33:16,114
Speaker 7: scheme that they're gonna play and they're gonna try to

1862
01:33:16,114 --> 01:33:19,034
Speaker 7: play fast I think that that side of the ball

1863
01:33:19,114 --> 01:33:20,754
Speaker 7: is just as much up in the airs as the offense.

1864
01:33:20,794 --> 01:33:20,874
Speaker 23: You know.

1865
01:33:20,954 --> 01:33:23,714
Speaker 4: I just wonder, you know, because so far Ben Johnson

1866
01:33:23,754 --> 01:33:27,394
Speaker 4: and Rabel are the two names he's getting bandied about.

1867
01:33:27,874 --> 01:33:32,154
Speaker 4: Of the two, Rabel, even though he's been at Cleveland,

1868
01:33:32,514 --> 01:33:35,994
Speaker 4: might have had the most time to evaluate our roster, sure,

1869
01:33:36,234 --> 01:33:38,514
Speaker 4: you know, and might come in on day one with

1870
01:33:38,634 --> 01:33:41,834
Speaker 4: a excuse me, a better idea. I wolfed down a

1871
01:33:41,874 --> 01:33:42,634
Speaker 4: turkey sandwich.

1872
01:33:42,954 --> 01:33:44,354
Speaker 7: But we had to sit through that game last year

1873
01:33:44,354 --> 01:33:46,234
Speaker 7: when he got inducted, right, so he like just sat

1874
01:33:46,274 --> 01:33:46,914
Speaker 7: and watched the game.

1875
01:33:46,994 --> 01:33:49,474
Speaker 4: You know, he's might have the better idea in day

1876
01:33:49,514 --> 01:33:52,434
Speaker 4: one about what he thinks this roster needs.

1877
01:33:52,674 --> 01:33:56,394
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely possible. I just remember last year

1878
01:33:56,434 --> 01:33:58,954
Speaker 3: when we went to the Senior Bowl. Vrabel was at

1879
01:33:58,954 --> 01:34:02,194
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl without a job, and he was just

1880
01:34:02,274 --> 01:34:06,914
Speaker 3: there networking, yeah, and just talking to people. And I

1881
01:34:06,954 --> 01:34:10,314
Speaker 3: just feel like that year that he's had in Cleveland,

1882
01:34:10,394 --> 01:34:13,114
Speaker 3: I heard a lot that he was learning offense and

1883
01:34:13,154 --> 01:34:16,474
Speaker 3: like really under Kevin Stefanski's wing and trying to learn

1884
01:34:16,514 --> 01:34:18,554
Speaker 3: the other side of the ball to better coach offense

1885
01:34:18,634 --> 01:34:21,274
Speaker 3: moving forward. And and you know, when you go down

1886
01:34:21,274 --> 01:34:23,474
Speaker 3: to things like the Senior Bowl to combine. When you're

1887
01:34:23,514 --> 01:34:25,634
Speaker 3: a free agent and you're going there, you're going there

1888
01:34:25,874 --> 01:34:29,474
Speaker 3: to build connections, like you're going there to network. So

1889
01:34:30,034 --> 01:34:32,274
Speaker 3: I think the tempting thing, and I know he didn't

1890
01:34:32,354 --> 01:34:34,874
Speaker 3: necessarily directly say this, but I think the tempting thing

1891
01:34:35,594 --> 01:34:37,554
Speaker 3: for the Crafts has got to be that there's a

1892
01:34:37,634 --> 01:34:42,354
Speaker 3: turnkey option out there in Mike Rabel where he is

1893
01:34:42,394 --> 01:34:45,114
Speaker 3: going to come with a plan, like he's gonna come

1894
01:34:45,154 --> 01:34:48,514
Speaker 3: fully loaded with the staff, with a plan, with a

1895
01:34:48,554 --> 01:34:50,714
Speaker 3: program of like how we're gonna lay this out and

1896
01:34:50,754 --> 01:34:53,674
Speaker 3: how this is gonna go. And there just never felt

1897
01:34:53,674 --> 01:34:56,474
Speaker 3: like there was a plan for Girod. It never felt like.

1898
01:34:56,394 --> 01:34:58,034
Speaker 4: It was everything seat of the pants.

1899
01:34:58,074 --> 01:35:00,354
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just was all none of it just felt

1900
01:35:00,394 --> 01:35:03,674
Speaker 3: he never felt in control of the job. And I

1901
01:35:03,674 --> 01:35:06,154
Speaker 3: feel like that is a lot of why we're here.

1902
01:35:06,354 --> 01:35:08,154
Speaker 7: I had one thing to what you just said, though, Fred,

1903
01:35:08,154 --> 01:35:09,874
Speaker 7: I'd add that there might have been a little bit

1904
01:35:09,914 --> 01:35:12,274
Speaker 7: too much attention in getting away from big bad Bill

1905
01:35:12,434 --> 01:35:15,714
Speaker 7: Belichick and doing things opposite of what he did, or

1906
01:35:15,834 --> 01:35:18,554
Speaker 7: you know, specifically being motivated to get away from what

1907
01:35:18,594 --> 01:35:21,474
Speaker 7: he did, even if it necessarily wasn't what we're doing

1908
01:35:21,514 --> 01:35:23,754
Speaker 7: to help the football team. I just I mean, I

1909
01:35:23,754 --> 01:35:26,034
Speaker 7: compared it to Cam Newton last year. Kim Newton replaced

1910
01:35:26,034 --> 01:35:27,434
Speaker 7: Brady for a year. It was kind of a weird year.

1911
01:35:27,434 --> 01:35:30,034
Speaker 7: It's kind of what's happened with Gerrod and Belichick. But

1912
01:35:30,074 --> 01:35:32,834
Speaker 7: I think to some extent, maybe that stuff has been

1913
01:35:32,914 --> 01:35:35,234
Speaker 7: kind of flushed away and the new guy's gonna come

1914
01:35:35,274 --> 01:35:38,594
Speaker 7: in here without the shadow of Bill Belichick's hoody, you know,

1915
01:35:38,674 --> 01:35:41,234
Speaker 7: looming over everything how it was done last year, X

1916
01:35:41,354 --> 01:35:43,034
Speaker 7: y Z. He can come in a little bit more

1917
01:35:43,074 --> 01:35:45,074
Speaker 7: with a blank slate, kind of like Mac Jones got.

1918
01:35:45,114 --> 01:35:47,434
Speaker 7: It wasn't like Max got to replace Tom Brady. You know,

1919
01:35:47,554 --> 01:35:48,994
Speaker 7: they took some of that out of the way with

1920
01:35:49,034 --> 01:35:49,594
Speaker 7: that Cam Newton.

1921
01:35:49,634 --> 01:35:52,474
Speaker 4: You just to the side. Is Rabel's son on a

1922
01:35:52,514 --> 01:35:55,914
Speaker 4: team these days? I thought he put up with an NFL.

1923
01:35:58,874 --> 01:36:02,034
Speaker 4: I think it's hey, I think I heard his name

1924
01:36:02,074 --> 01:36:08,474
Speaker 4: on a broadcast at some point. B kid, Right, Yeah,

1925
01:36:08,834 --> 01:36:11,914
Speaker 4: all right, let's go to the TPX hotline. We'll start

1926
01:36:11,954 --> 01:36:19,474
Speaker 4: with Kelvin in Florida. What's up, Kelvin. Kelvin, Uh, he's

1927
01:36:19,474 --> 01:36:20,314
Speaker 4: not there, all right.

1928
01:36:20,674 --> 01:36:20,834
Speaker 5: Uh.

1929
01:36:20,874 --> 01:36:23,874
Speaker 4: We'll go back to Japan, where Jason is giving it

1930
01:36:23,914 --> 01:36:25,194
Speaker 4: another shot. What's up, Jason?

1931
01:36:25,914 --> 01:36:26,314
Speaker 5: He is not.

1932
01:36:26,834 --> 01:36:29,994
Speaker 28: Hey, how's it going, guys. I'm not actually in Japan anymore,

1933
01:36:29,994 --> 01:36:31,594
Speaker 28: but you guys know me from that era.

1934
01:36:32,194 --> 01:36:34,594
Speaker 4: I remembered, all right, well where are you now, Jason?

1935
01:36:34,634 --> 01:36:40,754
Speaker 28: I keen my hometown Newmpshire, Hampshire.

1936
01:36:41,194 --> 01:36:42,714
Speaker 4: Do you know a fun fact?

1937
01:36:43,354 --> 01:36:43,514
Speaker 18: Uh?

1938
01:36:43,674 --> 01:36:47,354
Speaker 4: He knew the main street Hampshire is the widest main

1939
01:36:47,434 --> 01:36:50,514
Speaker 4: street in America? Did you know that fun fact?

1940
01:36:51,354 --> 01:36:55,153
Speaker 5: Just a fun fact behind Paris in America?

1941
01:36:55,314 --> 01:36:57,514
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, okay.

1942
01:36:57,314 --> 01:36:59,034
Speaker 28: Second in the world. Behind Paris though.

1943
01:36:59,074 --> 01:37:01,194
Speaker 5: Second in the world.

1944
01:37:00,434 --> 01:37:04,834
Speaker 4: That fun fact. They don't have the art.

1945
01:37:06,994 --> 01:37:07,634
Speaker 15: I just don't.

1946
01:37:08,514 --> 01:37:12,554
Speaker 28: So it's a it's an odd thing where I see

1947
01:37:12,874 --> 01:37:15,674
Speaker 28: how we were doing this year, and you know, it

1948
01:37:15,754 --> 01:37:18,994
Speaker 28: was terrible. I hated the results. I also kind of

1949
01:37:19,034 --> 01:37:23,194
Speaker 28: don't want to be this team where we're just turning

1950
01:37:23,274 --> 01:37:27,194
Speaker 28: through things and I I you know, I listened to

1951
01:37:27,234 --> 01:37:30,674
Speaker 28: the Robert Kraft press conference there. He sounds really sincere.

1952
01:37:31,194 --> 01:37:40,674
Speaker 28: He obviously loves your odd at no boy, the belief

1953
01:37:40,714 --> 01:37:42,354
Speaker 28: in decision that they made.

1954
01:37:44,514 --> 01:37:44,794
Speaker 5: All right.

1955
01:37:44,954 --> 01:37:47,674
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Yeah, so I think I'll coverage.

1956
01:37:48,034 --> 01:37:50,274
Speaker 5: I got an idea of what Jason's talking about, Like

1957
01:37:50,954 --> 01:37:54,154
Speaker 5: he's talking about you know understanding the move had to

1958
01:37:54,194 --> 01:37:56,674
Speaker 5: be made or what that was made, but doesn't want

1959
01:37:56,714 --> 01:37:58,714
Speaker 5: to be one of these teams. And I hear this

1960
01:37:58,794 --> 01:38:01,354
Speaker 5: a lot. Who does right, But I hear this a lot,

1961
01:38:01,994 --> 01:38:04,474
Speaker 5: like you don't want to start cycling through coaches because

1962
01:38:04,474 --> 01:38:07,434
Speaker 5: then you become one of these teams. Well this is

1963
01:38:07,754 --> 01:38:11,634
Speaker 5: like a sad and sorry reality. But you're one of

1964
01:38:11,674 --> 01:38:16,674
Speaker 5: those teams, Like I believe they're sixteen and thirty five

1965
01:38:17,634 --> 01:38:20,634
Speaker 5: in their last forty one or whatever fifty whatever mini

1966
01:38:20,634 --> 01:38:25,034
Speaker 5: games that is mathis tough, fifty one games. They haven't

1967
01:38:25,034 --> 01:38:29,594
Speaker 5: been successful in a long time, Like you have to

1968
01:38:29,594 --> 01:38:32,794
Speaker 5: go back to twenty one for their last winning season.

1969
01:38:33,594 --> 01:38:36,194
Speaker 5: So you don't have to be one of those teams

1970
01:38:36,274 --> 01:38:39,514
Speaker 5: quote unquote that cycles through coaches every year. But does

1971
01:38:39,514 --> 01:38:41,074
Speaker 5: that make you feel better if you go four and

1972
01:38:41,114 --> 01:38:42,834
Speaker 5: thirteen and back to back years but you keep the

1973
01:38:42,834 --> 01:38:46,474
Speaker 5: same coach, because it doesn't make most fans fail any better.

1974
01:38:46,634 --> 01:38:46,874
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1975
01:38:46,874 --> 01:38:50,594
Speaker 3: I also feel like this is to avoid becoming one

1976
01:38:50,594 --> 01:38:52,954
Speaker 3: of those teams. Habitually, that's what you're trying to do

1977
01:38:52,994 --> 01:38:55,954
Speaker 3: because I feel like mister Kraft knew we were probably

1978
01:38:55,994 --> 01:38:58,194
Speaker 3: going to be right in this position again next year,

1979
01:38:58,274 --> 01:39:01,794
Speaker 3: or similarly, in this spot next year. And so if

1980
01:39:01,794 --> 01:39:04,554
Speaker 3: we didn't make this move now, we're just going to

1981
01:39:04,594 --> 01:39:05,914
Speaker 3: be making it twelve months from now.

1982
01:39:05,954 --> 01:39:08,394
Speaker 4: You need to fail fast, You're right, and you need yeah, exactly.

1983
01:39:08,394 --> 01:39:11,194
Speaker 5: And it wouldn't make me feel any better to go

1984
01:39:11,274 --> 01:39:14,274
Speaker 5: eight and nine, four and thirteen, four and thirteen if

1985
01:39:14,314 --> 01:39:16,234
Speaker 5: I had the same coach in those three years, or

1986
01:39:16,634 --> 01:39:19,914
Speaker 5: I made a coaching change and then it didn't you know,

1987
01:39:20,154 --> 01:39:22,034
Speaker 5: like to Evans point, you go four and thirteen in

1988
01:39:22,114 --> 01:39:23,954
Speaker 5: year one and then maybe you go five and twelve

1989
01:39:23,994 --> 01:39:26,234
Speaker 5: the next year. I don't better about it because I

1990
01:39:26,234 --> 01:39:27,674
Speaker 5: didn't fire the coach after one year.

1991
01:39:27,794 --> 01:39:31,994
Speaker 7: It still just speaks though specifically Jirob where there wasn't like, well,

1992
01:39:32,114 --> 01:39:33,714
Speaker 7: yeah he had a bad year, but we've seen him

1993
01:39:33,754 --> 01:39:35,594
Speaker 7: do it before, Like you know, he's got to get

1994
01:39:35,594 --> 01:39:37,514
Speaker 7: a year to get what he's done in the past

1995
01:39:37,554 --> 01:39:37,954
Speaker 7: and place.

1996
01:39:37,994 --> 01:39:40,354
Speaker 5: And that's why still at the time that he got right,

1997
01:39:40,754 --> 01:39:43,634
Speaker 5: it just like what's the what's the move, Like what's

1998
01:39:43,634 --> 01:39:44,114
Speaker 5: the pivot?

1999
01:39:44,154 --> 01:39:47,634
Speaker 3: So if you keep Girod and you fire Avp, so

2000
01:39:47,674 --> 01:39:50,714
Speaker 3: who's the the OC that's gonna magically come here and

2001
01:39:50,994 --> 01:39:53,554
Speaker 3: fix it? All that you know has a relationship with

2002
01:39:53,634 --> 01:39:56,034
Speaker 3: this regime because Van Pelt was twelve out of twelve,

2003
01:39:56,154 --> 01:39:58,234
Speaker 3: right like he was. They had a long list of

2004
01:39:58,234 --> 01:40:00,794
Speaker 3: interviews that they tried to get through last year to

2005
01:40:00,834 --> 01:40:02,714
Speaker 3: get somebody to take the job. I guess it's a

2006
01:40:02,754 --> 01:40:05,234
Speaker 3: little bit more appealing now, But you know, all you

2007
01:40:05,274 --> 01:40:07,514
Speaker 3: were going to be doing was rearranging the deck chairs.

2008
01:40:07,274 --> 01:40:10,634
Speaker 5: And if you kept Mayo. So now you are conducting

2009
01:40:10,674 --> 01:40:13,154
Speaker 5: the offensive coordinator interviews again if you get rid of

2010
01:40:13,234 --> 01:40:17,634
Speaker 5: a VP, and you it might even be harder to

2011
01:40:17,634 --> 01:40:19,874
Speaker 5: feel that job than it was last year because now

2012
01:40:20,834 --> 01:40:22,874
Speaker 5: you just went four and thirteen with the new coach.

2013
01:40:24,154 --> 01:40:26,754
Speaker 5: Seems like the the seat was really hot for that

2014
01:40:26,874 --> 01:40:30,674
Speaker 5: new coach. And I don't know, I don't know how

2015
01:40:30,754 --> 01:40:32,554
Speaker 5: much better I could have done an Alex van Pelt

2016
01:40:32,594 --> 01:40:34,914
Speaker 5: with a rookie quarterback and no offensive line and they

2017
01:40:34,954 --> 01:40:37,394
Speaker 5: got rid of him. Why do I want to go there?

2018
01:40:37,514 --> 01:40:37,714
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2019
01:40:38,394 --> 01:40:40,834
Speaker 5: Yeah, that'd be an even harder job maybe to fill

2020
01:40:40,874 --> 01:40:42,274
Speaker 5: if you would if you had kept may.

2021
01:40:42,314 --> 01:40:44,914
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if your Josh McCown and your star is rising,

2022
01:40:45,274 --> 01:40:47,994
Speaker 3: you know, why would you take the Patriots OC John

2023
01:40:48,154 --> 01:40:50,394
Speaker 3: Duck and have it blow up in your face in

2024
01:40:50,434 --> 01:40:50,794
Speaker 3: the year.

2025
01:40:51,834 --> 01:40:53,634
Speaker 4: At least you know you can start Drake May in

2026
01:40:53,674 --> 01:40:56,674
Speaker 4: week one, you won't have any issues there or you.

2027
01:40:56,634 --> 01:40:57,994
Speaker 7: Might think that could be the head coach of this

2028
01:40:58,034 --> 01:40:58,834
Speaker 7: team by October.

2029
01:40:58,954 --> 01:40:59,354
Speaker 12: So that was.

2030
01:41:00,874 --> 01:41:03,434
Speaker 5: The argument I made to that on Felger and Mas

2031
01:41:03,914 --> 01:41:06,794
Speaker 5: that was on my shows. They said all that same

2032
01:41:06,794 --> 01:41:08,634
Speaker 5: stuff that I just said, and that was my comeback.

2033
01:41:08,674 --> 01:41:10,194
Speaker 5: I go, well, you know, I don't know if you

2034
01:41:10,354 --> 01:41:12,514
Speaker 5: if you have a lot of confidence in yourself, maybe

2035
01:41:12,514 --> 01:41:14,234
Speaker 5: you can angle to be the successor.

2036
01:41:14,354 --> 01:41:18,834
Speaker 4: Right Joel Andatawa writes in that podcasts at Patriots dot com,

2037
01:41:18,874 --> 01:41:20,474
Speaker 4: and We've got a ton of emails and want to

2038
01:41:20,514 --> 01:41:23,274
Speaker 4: thank everyone for sending him in. I'm all for a

2039
01:41:23,314 --> 01:41:25,514
Speaker 4: clean sweep and letting the new head coach pick all

2040
01:41:25,554 --> 01:41:28,754
Speaker 4: new staff. I think we learned the hard way. Experience

2041
01:41:28,794 --> 01:41:31,794
Speaker 4: is very important, especially when you don't have a niche

2042
01:41:32,314 --> 01:41:36,394
Speaker 4: i e. Offensive or defensive guru type. It should be

2043
01:41:36,434 --> 01:41:39,074
Speaker 4: e g. By the way, not I E. I'm all

2044
01:41:39,154 --> 01:41:42,274
Speaker 4: for Rabel, but also think I'm biased because of his

2045
01:41:42,354 --> 01:41:45,154
Speaker 4: Patriots connection to me. The OC and d C might

2046
01:41:45,234 --> 01:41:48,954
Speaker 4: actually be the most important hires. He could be right there.

2047
01:41:49,034 --> 01:41:51,394
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the number one question for Rabel is

2048
01:41:51,394 --> 01:41:53,314
Speaker 3: who's your OC? And the number one question for Ben

2049
01:41:53,394 --> 01:41:55,994
Speaker 3: Johnson's who your DC is. You know, if they're not

2050
01:41:56,194 --> 01:41:59,114
Speaker 3: your area of expertise, you know who you're gonna fill

2051
01:41:59,114 --> 01:42:02,994
Speaker 3: in with. Rabel I Just you wonder, you know, how

2052
01:42:02,994 --> 01:42:05,754
Speaker 3: do you get at OC hired that's gonna be truly

2053
01:42:05,794 --> 01:42:08,634
Speaker 3: innovative and truly bring this offense up to date and

2054
01:42:09,234 --> 01:42:12,834
Speaker 3: not run the old Patriots offense with Josh McDaniels or

2055
01:42:12,834 --> 01:42:15,514
Speaker 3: this Cleveland offense that Van Pelt ran. And then for

2056
01:42:15,594 --> 01:42:18,114
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, you need somebody, you know, we've been kicking

2057
01:42:18,154 --> 01:42:21,073
Speaker 3: around the name, you know, Wade Phillips, Like for Sean McVay,

2058
01:42:21,154 --> 01:42:25,154
Speaker 3: like who is the experience been there for one hundred years,

2059
01:42:25,314 --> 01:42:27,794
Speaker 3: called plays, maybe even was a head coach at one

2060
01:42:27,834 --> 01:42:30,314
Speaker 3: point that can run the defense and really be the

2061
01:42:30,314 --> 01:42:31,474
Speaker 3: head coach of the defense.

2062
01:42:32,194 --> 01:42:36,834
Speaker 5: I think yeah, And I think just having especially if

2063
01:42:36,874 --> 01:42:38,954
Speaker 5: it's like a Ben Johnson, you know, first time guy,

2064
01:42:38,994 --> 01:42:41,634
Speaker 5: having an experienced guy regardless of the side of the

2065
01:42:41,674 --> 01:42:45,634
Speaker 5: ball like McDonald and Seattle is the youngest guy, right,

2066
01:42:45,794 --> 01:42:48,394
Speaker 5: he's the youngest coach and he has Leslie Frasier on

2067
01:42:48,474 --> 01:42:50,154
Speaker 5: his staff just to you know, and I know the

2068
01:42:50,194 --> 01:42:53,194
Speaker 5: Patriots try to do that. I think with Ben McAdoo,

2069
01:42:53,634 --> 01:42:56,594
Speaker 5: but I don't think it's really played out that way.

2070
01:42:57,034 --> 01:42:59,114
Speaker 5: So I do think it's important if you have a

2071
01:42:59,194 --> 01:43:02,874
Speaker 5: lack of experience to not only have the coordinator on

2072
01:43:02,914 --> 01:43:04,914
Speaker 5: the other side, which we talked about a lot, but

2073
01:43:05,714 --> 01:43:09,234
Speaker 5: sort of an experienced maybe former head coach, just to

2074
01:43:09,274 --> 01:43:10,514
Speaker 5: help be a sounding board.

2075
01:43:10,674 --> 01:43:12,834
Speaker 7: Just something that popped into my head. Are you a

2076
01:43:12,874 --> 01:43:15,834
Speaker 7: little worried with Christian Gonzalez if a DC comes in

2077
01:43:15,874 --> 01:43:17,114
Speaker 7: here and it is like, I want to play zone.

2078
01:43:17,114 --> 01:43:18,434
Speaker 7: I want to do a lot of zone. We're gonna

2079
01:43:18,434 --> 01:43:20,114
Speaker 7: be a zone team, now, you know? Is that a

2080
01:43:20,114 --> 01:43:21,554
Speaker 7: little bit of a red flag where you're like, we

2081
01:43:21,594 --> 01:43:23,354
Speaker 7: got a great man cover corner, Like you know what

2082
01:43:23,394 --> 01:43:23,674
Speaker 7: I mean.

2083
01:43:24,394 --> 01:43:26,274
Speaker 4: I mean, he can't be that good if he doesn't

2084
01:43:26,354 --> 01:43:28,954
Speaker 4: understand that you got a guy like Gonzales, you put

2085
01:43:28,994 --> 01:43:29,834
Speaker 4: a man on man.

2086
01:43:30,114 --> 01:43:32,714
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a thought I've had about

2087
01:43:32,834 --> 01:43:35,834
Speaker 3: Robert Sala, who I like as a coach, and I

2088
01:43:35,874 --> 01:43:37,554
Speaker 3: know a lot of people have thrown his name out

2089
01:43:37,554 --> 01:43:38,754
Speaker 3: there for DC.

2090
01:43:38,914 --> 01:43:40,514
Speaker 4: But is he a Tampa two guy.

2091
01:43:40,554 --> 01:43:41,954
Speaker 3: No, he's a Seattle three guy.

2092
01:43:42,074 --> 01:43:42,474
Speaker 5: Seattle.

2093
01:43:43,274 --> 01:43:47,354
Speaker 3: He's gonna know your numbers, He's gonna come in four,

2094
01:43:47,554 --> 01:43:49,874
Speaker 3: He's gonna run cover three, he's gonna run quarters. They're

2095
01:43:49,874 --> 01:43:52,514
Speaker 3: not gonna blitz much. They're gonna rush four. Like, so

2096
01:43:52,634 --> 01:43:55,074
Speaker 3: you're putting in a defensive system. You know, who's your

2097
01:43:55,114 --> 01:43:57,674
Speaker 3: Fred Warner on this ross, who's your front four that's

2098
01:43:57,674 --> 01:44:00,394
Speaker 3: gonna gets right exactly. So if you're running that kind

2099
01:44:00,434 --> 01:44:02,554
Speaker 3: of system, like you don't have the horses for that

2100
01:44:02,634 --> 01:44:06,154
Speaker 3: kind of system. We don't know, it's honest point like

2101
01:44:07,074 --> 01:44:10,073
Speaker 3: Fred Warner, Like you watch one Bentley, you know, covering

2102
01:44:10,074 --> 01:44:13,594
Speaker 3: the seam and in cover three like good luck. Yeah, right,

2103
01:44:13,674 --> 01:44:16,274
Speaker 3: So there's a lot that goes into it.

2104
01:44:16,314 --> 01:44:18,074
Speaker 5: To me, I would like to see him try to

2105
01:44:18,074 --> 01:44:20,154
Speaker 5: do that role. By the way, I'm not telling you that,

2106
01:44:20,434 --> 01:44:27,754
Speaker 5: knowing that police do not attack next not saying that,

2107
01:44:27,914 --> 01:44:30,114
Speaker 5: But I do want to see safety in college. I

2108
01:44:30,154 --> 01:44:32,194
Speaker 5: think he's another safety.

2109
01:44:32,914 --> 01:44:33,794
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2110
01:44:33,754 --> 01:44:37,114
Speaker 5: If he could be sort of an athletic linebacker that

2111
01:44:37,314 --> 01:44:40,354
Speaker 5: could perform in those kinds of roles on.

2112
01:44:40,354 --> 01:44:42,594
Speaker 3: The table for that for two years, Jeremiah writes.

2113
01:44:42,954 --> 01:44:46,474
Speaker 4: He says, curious if you saw Booty's tweet after Gerard

2114
01:44:46,594 --> 01:44:50,274
Speaker 4: was announced to be fired. Booty tweeted, God bless after

2115
01:44:50,314 --> 01:44:52,594
Speaker 4: the news broke, Just curious on you all thought about

2116
01:44:52,594 --> 01:44:55,234
Speaker 4: what Booty said, and was there ever some indication that

2117
01:44:55,274 --> 01:44:58,474
Speaker 4: players weren't a fan of Mail. Now, I didn't see

2118
01:44:58,474 --> 01:45:02,314
Speaker 4: the tweet, but God Blessed could be like God bless That's.

2119
01:45:02,154 --> 01:45:03,674
Speaker 5: How I would take that. I did not see it.

2120
01:45:03,714 --> 01:45:03,994
Speaker 5: I don't.

2121
01:45:04,234 --> 01:45:06,954
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know what the content or the

2122
01:45:06,994 --> 01:45:08,114
Speaker 4: tenor That's how my.

2123
01:45:08,274 --> 01:45:10,554
Speaker 5: I immediate reaction would be that I think that was

2124
01:45:10,594 --> 01:45:13,874
Speaker 5: a supportive message for Jerid Mayo, But I don't know.

2125
01:45:13,914 --> 01:45:16,274
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe Booty does not like Jid Mail. I have

2126
01:45:16,314 --> 01:45:16,754
Speaker 5: no idea.

2127
01:45:16,914 --> 01:45:18,434
Speaker 3: The last thing I want to do right now is

2128
01:45:18,514 --> 01:45:21,954
Speaker 3: read in between the lines of social media players.

2129
01:45:22,194 --> 01:45:24,394
Speaker 7: Can I ask you what your impression in the locker

2130
01:45:24,434 --> 01:45:25,714
Speaker 7: room was. I know you were in the too with me.

2131
01:45:25,754 --> 01:45:27,234
Speaker 7: I said it was kind of morose.

2132
01:45:27,034 --> 01:45:29,434
Speaker 3: And yeah, I guess. I don't know. Maybe I had

2133
01:45:29,474 --> 01:45:31,314
Speaker 3: a different because you said that, and the girl said

2134
01:45:31,314 --> 01:45:33,434
Speaker 3: that to me too after we walked out of there,

2135
01:45:33,474 --> 01:45:37,354
Speaker 3: that they thought it was kind of I've never been

2136
01:45:37,394 --> 01:45:39,194
Speaker 3: in a locker room clean out where it was an

2137
01:45:39,234 --> 01:45:43,594
Speaker 3: exciting day. I've never seen it besides after winning a

2138
01:45:43,594 --> 01:45:47,994
Speaker 3: super Bowl in twenty nineteen, but in a true season end,

2139
01:45:48,194 --> 01:45:51,834
Speaker 3: like you know, plane crash. I have never seen the

2140
01:45:51,874 --> 01:45:54,354
Speaker 3: locker room the day after the season ends, in locker

2141
01:45:54,434 --> 01:45:57,714
Speaker 3: room clean out day be a happy place. Ever, so

2142
01:45:58,034 --> 01:46:01,074
Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty pretty much the same. Like,

2143
01:46:01,434 --> 01:46:03,194
Speaker 3: I didn't really feel like it was any different than

2144
01:46:03,234 --> 01:46:05,674
Speaker 3: any other year in that respect. And maybe that was

2145
01:46:05,834 --> 01:46:08,074
Speaker 3: just a bad read that I had on it, But

2146
01:46:08,234 --> 01:46:12,314
Speaker 3: I don't know what people expect on a day where

2147
01:46:12,354 --> 01:46:15,153
Speaker 3: the coach was fired and they went four and thirteen

2148
01:46:15,234 --> 01:46:18,074
Speaker 3: and they are coming off this disaster season, Like are

2149
01:46:18,074 --> 01:46:20,354
Speaker 3: they supposed to be doing cartwheels like I you know,

2150
01:46:20,554 --> 01:46:23,394
Speaker 3: So that was just sort of my read on it.

2151
01:46:23,474 --> 01:46:25,234
Speaker 3: Every single locker room clean out that I have ever

2152
01:46:25,354 --> 01:46:28,034
Speaker 3: been in, again, besides my first year when they won

2153
01:46:28,074 --> 01:46:31,714
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, has been like this. Just everyone's kind

2154
01:46:31,714 --> 01:46:34,794
Speaker 3: of aware of the vibe, like it's not supposed to

2155
01:46:34,834 --> 01:46:35,674
Speaker 3: be a celebration.

2156
01:46:35,994 --> 01:46:38,154
Speaker 7: Did anybody other than Brian Belichick any of the coaches?

2157
01:46:38,194 --> 01:46:39,634
Speaker 7: I saw Brian walk through. That was just one other.

2158
01:46:39,874 --> 01:46:42,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian walked through. I didn't see any of the

2159
01:46:42,074 --> 01:46:45,354
Speaker 3: other coaches, but yeah, I did see Brian. And you know,

2160
01:46:45,394 --> 01:46:47,434
Speaker 3: obviously I don't know if you guys have touched on it,

2161
01:46:47,434 --> 01:46:49,994
Speaker 3: but Drake was not in there and did not speak,

2162
01:46:49,994 --> 01:46:52,434
Speaker 3: And I don't think he's planning on speaking. So we

2163
01:46:52,474 --> 01:46:55,034
Speaker 3: also didn't talk to him after the game yesterday either.

2164
01:46:55,074 --> 01:46:58,194
Speaker 3: He barely played, but so we haven't heard anything from

2165
01:46:58,314 --> 01:47:00,474
Speaker 3: Drake May and what his whole take is on this.

2166
01:47:02,794 --> 01:47:05,754
Speaker 3: Not some some scribes Fred that were not happy about that.

2167
01:47:05,914 --> 01:47:06,674
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that.

2168
01:47:06,794 --> 01:47:09,274
Speaker 4: Yeah, good for him. He doesn't have to talk if

2169
01:47:09,274 --> 01:47:12,194
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to or if he doesn't have to.

2170
01:47:12,474 --> 01:47:15,274
Speaker 5: Sure, Yeah, I would be disappointed if I were a

2171
01:47:15,274 --> 01:47:17,794
Speaker 5: beat writer. Yeah, I want to hear from the quarterback.

2172
01:47:17,914 --> 01:47:20,554
Speaker 4: You do, but and I get it, and I would

2173
01:47:20,634 --> 01:47:23,594
Speaker 4: be disappointed too. But as a first year player a

2174
01:47:23,594 --> 01:47:27,314
Speaker 4: situation like that, I don't know what to say, Like,

2175
01:47:27,354 --> 01:47:29,154
Speaker 4: what do you say? And if I can get out

2176
01:47:29,194 --> 01:47:29,874
Speaker 4: of talking.

2177
01:47:30,674 --> 01:47:34,114
Speaker 5: An unfortunate situation, We're all disappointed. You feel like we

2178
01:47:34,114 --> 01:47:37,434
Speaker 5: didn't play well enough for him, and then we take responsibility.

2179
01:47:37,554 --> 01:47:42,274
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill wrights In, I've heard this argument that it's

2180
01:47:42,354 --> 01:47:45,994
Speaker 4: common for the personal department to stay on in situations

2181
01:47:46,034 --> 01:47:48,113
Speaker 4: like this because all the work has already been done.

2182
01:47:48,474 --> 01:47:51,714
Speaker 4: Robert just said the drafts have been bad. We all

2183
01:47:51,754 --> 01:47:53,914
Speaker 4: know the drafts have been bad, So why in the

2184
01:47:53,914 --> 01:47:56,674
Speaker 4: world would keeping the same group of people who have

2185
01:47:56,754 --> 01:48:00,474
Speaker 4: made these decisions make any sense whatsoever. I don't want

2186
01:48:00,514 --> 01:48:04,354
Speaker 4: these guys touching this draft, not even sniff the person

2187
01:48:04,394 --> 01:48:06,394
Speaker 4: the new head coach would want to bring in would,

2188
01:48:06,514 --> 01:48:09,034
Speaker 4: in theory, also have been doing the work on this

2189
01:48:09,154 --> 01:48:11,714
Speaker 4: draft class, Paul, that's your point, and have a group

2190
01:48:11,754 --> 01:48:14,354
Speaker 4: of scouts with him that have also been doing work

2191
01:48:14,394 --> 01:48:18,274
Speaker 4: on this draft. The personal department is a major issue here,

2192
01:48:18,594 --> 01:48:22,034
Speaker 4: and allowing them to make decisions on another draft is

2193
01:48:22,194 --> 01:48:23,714
Speaker 4: just inconceivable to me.

2194
01:48:24,194 --> 01:48:26,914
Speaker 3: Okay, let's calm down. But I understand that why why

2195
01:48:26,994 --> 01:48:28,954
Speaker 3: why should he calm down? But I just think that

2196
01:48:28,954 --> 01:48:31,674
Speaker 3: that's a little dramatic, is all. I just okay, But

2197
01:48:31,754 --> 01:48:34,954
Speaker 3: I'm with him, like I understand that that people are are,

2198
01:48:36,314 --> 01:48:39,354
Speaker 3: you know, worried about the personnel department, that they don't

2199
01:48:39,434 --> 01:48:42,714
Speaker 3: see the path forward. And I don't necessarily disagree in

2200
01:48:42,754 --> 01:48:44,594
Speaker 3: a lot of ways based off of last year, but

2201
01:48:44,634 --> 01:48:46,914
Speaker 3: I would also just say that it was one year,

2202
01:48:47,154 --> 01:48:52,114
Speaker 3: and I don't know if I really can come here

2203
01:48:52,154 --> 01:48:55,314
Speaker 3: and say that I disagreed with all the approach that

2204
01:48:55,354 --> 01:48:57,874
Speaker 3: they had in last year's draft. Now did it work out?

2205
01:48:58,114 --> 01:49:00,954
Speaker 3: Was it a home run? No? But they hit the

2206
01:49:00,994 --> 01:49:03,674
Speaker 3: positions that we all were clamoring for them to hit.

2207
01:49:03,954 --> 01:49:06,354
Speaker 3: They took the guys that they evaluated and thought were

2208
01:49:06,394 --> 01:49:09,234
Speaker 3: the right guys to take. They hit what I think

2209
01:49:09,354 --> 01:49:12,394
Speaker 3: is a home run at quarterback at three overall, and

2210
01:49:12,594 --> 01:49:14,394
Speaker 3: let's give it, you know right now, I'm going.

2211
01:49:14,394 --> 01:49:16,434
Speaker 5: To get two ones back when you trade him now

2212
01:49:16,474 --> 01:49:19,274
Speaker 5: and keep hand over the reins to Milton. The rest

2213
01:49:19,314 --> 01:49:21,554
Speaker 5: of the draft and free agency is looking bleak.

2214
01:49:21,714 --> 01:49:24,714
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not trying to defend them too much,

2215
01:49:24,754 --> 01:49:26,834
Speaker 3: but I just think that is a little bit over

2216
01:49:26,834 --> 01:49:27,114
Speaker 3: the time.

2217
01:49:27,234 --> 01:49:29,354
Speaker 7: I just thought I just highlight too Robert saying they

2218
01:49:29,394 --> 01:49:33,554
Speaker 7: changed the scouting methodology last year, they rejiggered some of

2219
01:49:33,594 --> 01:49:36,194
Speaker 7: the order, like I'm all board with this, Like I mean,

2220
01:49:36,194 --> 01:49:37,594
Speaker 7: and I think that goes to the great unknown and

2221
01:49:37,594 --> 01:49:39,514
Speaker 7: you've said him any time, Fred of like who was

2222
01:49:39,514 --> 01:49:41,994
Speaker 7: making the picks? How much input did Elliott Wolf and Mac?

2223
01:49:42,154 --> 01:49:44,434
Speaker 7: Like what was we don't know what that whole thing was,

2224
01:49:44,514 --> 01:49:45,674
Speaker 7: Like how the draft was running.

2225
01:49:45,714 --> 01:49:48,674
Speaker 4: Were they still working off the old system and.

2226
01:49:49,194 --> 01:49:50,634
Speaker 7: Was or was Bill just coming in at the end

2227
01:49:50,674 --> 01:49:52,674
Speaker 7: being like Nope, nope, this guy, this guy.

2228
01:49:52,874 --> 01:49:54,074
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, we don't know.

2229
01:49:54,194 --> 01:49:56,154
Speaker 3: I also just think it was going to be a

2230
01:49:56,194 --> 01:49:58,914
Speaker 3: multi year rebuilt from a personal standpoint, there was no

2231
01:49:58,994 --> 01:50:01,034
Speaker 3: way that they were going to come out of last

2232
01:50:01,074 --> 01:50:05,514
Speaker 3: year with a starting left tackle, starting wide receiver, starting quarterback,

2233
01:50:05,834 --> 01:50:08,034
Speaker 3: all across the board. I I just don't think that

2234
01:50:08,034 --> 01:50:08,754
Speaker 3: that's realistic.

2235
01:50:08,914 --> 01:50:11,354
Speaker 7: And they'll probably be questions positive people that call this

2236
01:50:11,434 --> 01:50:13,474
Speaker 7: offseat and say, you get a new coaching staff that

2237
01:50:13,514 --> 01:50:15,034
Speaker 7: we believe in that are good coaches, and all of

2238
01:50:15,034 --> 01:50:17,114
Speaker 7: a sudden, Jalen Polk starts to develop and some of

2239
01:50:17,114 --> 01:50:19,394
Speaker 7: these guys, you know, maybe had disappointing first years.

2240
01:50:19,834 --> 01:50:22,714
Speaker 5: Take from Afar is you know, going back to those

2241
01:50:22,754 --> 01:50:24,994
Speaker 5: things that you're talking about that Elliott Wolf said about

2242
01:50:25,034 --> 01:50:28,354
Speaker 5: the the development. My guess is that they've been able

2243
01:50:28,354 --> 01:50:32,594
Speaker 5: to successfully convince people that this draft wasn't as bad

2244
01:50:32,634 --> 01:50:37,394
Speaker 5: as you think it is. Polk, Robinson, Wallace, They're gonna

2245
01:50:37,394 --> 01:50:38,994
Speaker 5: be good players. We need better coaches.

2246
01:50:39,154 --> 01:50:40,994
Speaker 4: Yeah, develop, that's what it sounded like to him. That's

2247
01:50:41,354 --> 01:50:44,034
Speaker 4: what that sounds like, Jack and and Abba, right sin,

2248
01:50:44,194 --> 01:50:47,634
Speaker 4: He says, message from Detroit, the Patriots do not want

2249
01:50:47,674 --> 01:50:51,194
Speaker 4: to hire Ben Johnson. Nothing to see there is Detroit's

2250
01:50:51,274 --> 01:50:55,394
Speaker 4: high octane offense middle school. Detroit's high octane offense is

2251
01:50:55,434 --> 01:50:58,194
Speaker 4: an illusion. Do not pay attention to the fact that

2252
01:50:58,194 --> 01:51:01,674
Speaker 4: Detroit leads the league and nearly every offensive statistic. Ben

2253
01:51:01,754 --> 01:51:04,314
Speaker 4: Johnson is not your guy. Move along. I don't know

2254
01:51:04,314 --> 01:51:05,554
Speaker 4: if he's being sarcastic.

2255
01:51:05,594 --> 01:51:08,274
Speaker 5: I think I think it's a little bit of isn't

2256
01:51:08,314 --> 01:51:10,594
Speaker 5: Jack the one that used to one of the middle

2257
01:51:10,594 --> 01:51:12,034
Speaker 5: school I don't know that's why I was waiting for

2258
01:51:12,074 --> 01:51:15,594
Speaker 5: it to go that's but if it was, it is funny.

2259
01:51:16,314 --> 01:51:20,274
Speaker 5: There are some people in uh, Michigan that don't like him.

2260
01:51:20,354 --> 01:51:22,634
Speaker 7: What are the middle school theater departments like a record?

2261
01:51:24,234 --> 01:51:26,074
Speaker 4: That's the kind of an insight joke for people who

2262
01:51:26,274 --> 01:51:28,394
Speaker 4: listen to the show all the time. Go back to

2263
01:51:28,434 --> 01:51:32,234
Speaker 4: the TPX hotline. Con is in Minnesota? What's up?

2264
01:51:32,314 --> 01:51:32,594
Speaker 7: Con?

2265
01:51:35,474 --> 01:51:37,674
Speaker 4: Oh, con Minnesota.

2266
01:51:38,794 --> 01:51:40,314
Speaker 7: I think he's waiting for you to yell at.

2267
01:51:42,194 --> 01:51:46,234
Speaker 4: Manataka spend a lot of time in the mall of America. Yeah,

2268
01:51:46,314 --> 01:51:48,754
Speaker 4: let's go to spi and Fresno. What's up? Speed?

2269
01:51:50,434 --> 01:51:51,234
Speaker 14: Hey, what's happening?

2270
01:51:51,314 --> 01:51:51,554
Speaker 4: Hey?

2271
01:51:51,594 --> 01:51:56,274
Speaker 14: Hey, that we're we're one of those team comment that

2272
01:51:56,274 --> 01:52:00,754
Speaker 14: Paul had before really really brought me down. So true.

2273
01:52:02,234 --> 01:52:05,714
Speaker 14: I get why the firings happened, and you know, like

2274
01:52:05,794 --> 01:52:07,994
Speaker 14: many people am critical of the coaches, but I think

2275
01:52:08,034 --> 01:52:10,394
Speaker 14: I'm in the minority who think that this might be

2276
01:52:10,434 --> 01:52:14,554
Speaker 14: a bad decision. You know, I wanted to I wanted

2277
01:52:14,594 --> 01:52:18,314
Speaker 14: to trust Kraft. You know, he seemed really sure about

2278
01:52:18,354 --> 01:52:22,234
Speaker 14: picking Mayo, and you know, and then acknowledging last year

2279
01:52:22,234 --> 01:52:24,754
Speaker 14: that it'll be multiple years. And now all of a sudden,

2280
01:52:24,754 --> 01:52:27,994
Speaker 14: it's like you're you're changing. I wonder if he's unduly

2281
01:52:27,994 --> 01:52:30,234
Speaker 14: affected by the fans, and his press conference he said,

2282
01:52:30,634 --> 01:52:32,874
Speaker 14: I'm a fan, Well, fans affect fans, and I just

2283
01:52:32,914 --> 01:52:36,154
Speaker 14: don't that just doesn't seem I don't know, like a

2284
01:52:36,154 --> 01:52:39,274
Speaker 14: great way to be guided. Maybe why not commit to

2285
01:52:39,314 --> 01:52:40,394
Speaker 14: your experiment.

2286
01:52:39,914 --> 01:52:41,714
Speaker 11: And see if Wolfs can do his f and job

2287
01:52:41,874 --> 01:52:42,394
Speaker 11: and see.

2288
01:52:42,194 --> 01:52:45,354
Speaker 14: If Mayo's regime can get better with a better roster.

2289
01:52:45,434 --> 01:52:47,554
Speaker 14: We just don't know if what's gonna come next is

2290
01:52:47,554 --> 01:52:48,354
Speaker 14: gonna be worse.

2291
01:52:49,554 --> 01:52:52,274
Speaker 3: This professional football man. I just don't think we're in

2292
01:52:52,314 --> 01:52:55,834
Speaker 3: the business of like this isn't like coaching, you we're

2293
01:52:55,914 --> 01:52:59,274
Speaker 3: developing coaches, and we're giving them three years to see

2294
01:52:59,274 --> 01:53:01,754
Speaker 3: if they can finally turn it around. Like they there's

2295
01:53:01,794 --> 01:53:03,794
Speaker 3: a lot on the line here for everybody, Like they

2296
01:53:03,794 --> 01:53:05,514
Speaker 3: got to go out there and put a better product

2297
01:53:05,554 --> 01:53:07,274
Speaker 3: out on the field. I mean, we were at that

2298
01:53:07,314 --> 01:53:10,034
Speaker 3: game yesterday. The stadium's half empty, half of its bills.

2299
01:53:10,074 --> 01:53:13,194
Speaker 3: Fans like, you just can't have that in professional sports.

2300
01:53:13,674 --> 01:53:17,114
Speaker 5: And I would say to speak, it's not necessarily to

2301
01:53:17,194 --> 01:53:20,154
Speaker 5: me about the fans saying you need to fire them. Okay,

2302
01:53:20,194 --> 01:53:22,594
Speaker 5: the fans, I need to fire him. I think the

2303
01:53:22,714 --> 01:53:26,394
Speaker 5: latter part that Evan just talked about, the fans are speaking,

2304
01:53:26,394 --> 01:53:29,994
Speaker 5: are speaking by not showing up. And we've had you know,

2305
01:53:30,114 --> 01:53:32,474
Speaker 5: Fred and I have been looking every week and we

2306
01:53:32,554 --> 01:53:34,674
Speaker 5: talk about the you know that we look down, we

2307
01:53:34,714 --> 01:53:36,274
Speaker 5: look up at that three hundred level and we're up

2308
01:53:36,314 --> 01:53:39,794
Speaker 5: in the box and that stadium has not been banged

2309
01:53:39,794 --> 01:53:43,994
Speaker 5: out this year, and it's got gotten progressively worse. That

2310
01:53:44,434 --> 01:53:46,874
Speaker 5: to me, if I were Robert Craft, that speaks to

2311
01:53:46,914 --> 01:53:50,594
Speaker 5: me people don't want to watch my product anymore because

2312
01:53:50,594 --> 01:53:52,394
Speaker 5: it's not acceptable and I got to find a way

2313
01:53:52,434 --> 01:53:53,474
Speaker 5: to make it more acceptable.

2314
01:53:53,714 --> 01:53:57,314
Speaker 4: And stuff we don't you know, we can see the seats.

2315
01:53:57,674 --> 01:54:02,714
Speaker 4: What we don't know is are there partners corporate? I

2316
01:54:02,714 --> 01:54:03,714
Speaker 4: don't know if I'm going to renew.

2317
01:54:04,634 --> 01:54:08,714
Speaker 5: Oh follow and it's I mean, like if nothing else,

2318
01:54:08,754 --> 01:54:09,314
Speaker 5: it's a business.

2319
01:54:09,434 --> 01:54:10,634
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to follow the money.

2320
01:54:10,714 --> 01:54:13,274
Speaker 7: What about the lack of primetime games.

2321
01:54:13,634 --> 01:54:17,434
Speaker 4: It's another thing. And someone emailed I'm not going to

2322
01:54:17,514 --> 01:54:20,514
Speaker 4: read the email, but how much did the TV content

2323
01:54:21,074 --> 01:54:24,834
Speaker 4: comments hurt Craft again? You know, alienating the fans in

2324
01:54:24,874 --> 01:54:26,074
Speaker 4: a nuts you.

2325
01:54:25,994 --> 01:54:29,354
Speaker 5: Know, as a singular moment, not at all, but in

2326
01:54:29,394 --> 01:54:31,834
Speaker 5: the season at all, or you know, season full of

2327
01:54:31,874 --> 01:54:33,954
Speaker 5: those kinds of things that that counts.

2328
01:54:34,474 --> 01:54:36,274
Speaker 3: You know. I was thinking about this. I'll ask you, guys,

2329
01:54:37,034 --> 01:54:40,154
Speaker 3: if you just had the football like it was just

2330
01:54:40,234 --> 01:54:42,514
Speaker 3: the record and just the product that was putting on

2331
01:54:42,554 --> 01:54:45,194
Speaker 3: the field, but Gerard handled himself, well.

2332
01:54:45,074 --> 01:54:46,074
Speaker 5: He'd still be the coach.

2333
01:54:46,274 --> 01:54:47,354
Speaker 4: I agree, I think so.

2334
01:54:47,634 --> 01:54:49,274
Speaker 3: I think he'd still be the coach. I just think

2335
01:54:49,314 --> 01:54:53,034
Speaker 3: from burn some cash on, it was just one thing

2336
01:54:53,274 --> 01:54:55,954
Speaker 3: after another after another. Remember in that interview he said

2337
01:54:55,954 --> 01:54:57,274
Speaker 3: that they were going to win more games than they

2338
01:54:57,274 --> 01:55:02,154
Speaker 3: did last year. Right, It just one thing after another

2339
01:55:02,194 --> 01:55:05,674
Speaker 3: after another. I think if he had handled that part

2340
01:55:05,714 --> 01:55:08,474
Speaker 3: of it fine, then he would still be here.

2341
01:55:08,434 --> 01:55:12,234
Speaker 5: Or at least shown progress in that, you know, like

2342
01:55:12,634 --> 01:55:15,274
Speaker 5: some of the missteps and you know, clarifications that he

2343
01:55:15,314 --> 01:55:17,834
Speaker 5: had to make early in the year you didn't see anymore. Yeah,

2344
01:55:17,954 --> 01:55:19,634
Speaker 5: I mean, it was almost every week, it was, I

2345
01:55:19,674 --> 01:55:21,874
Speaker 5: mean and it's the players too, like a lack of

2346
01:55:21,914 --> 01:55:25,114
Speaker 5: control over the players messages from the start of this,

2347
01:55:25,274 --> 01:55:27,594
Speaker 5: he'sn't right to the vibect Didn't he.

2348
01:55:27,594 --> 01:55:29,754
Speaker 7: Dump his orange juice too at that breakfast that morning

2349
01:55:29,794 --> 01:55:31,594
Speaker 7: when he was trying to be at the holders. I mean,

2350
01:55:31,594 --> 01:55:33,514
Speaker 7: I don't know, they were just it was. It was

2351
01:55:33,554 --> 01:55:35,674
Speaker 7: constant from beginning to end. There were just him stepping

2352
01:55:35,714 --> 01:55:36,914
Speaker 7: in it, having to walk it back.

2353
01:55:36,954 --> 01:55:40,354
Speaker 4: And you need to instill confidence. And it's funny like

2354
01:55:40,394 --> 01:55:43,234
Speaker 4: can you imagine Patton after a battle against Rommel saying

2355
01:55:43,234 --> 01:55:45,194
Speaker 4: you said it. I didn't. I mean, come on, you

2356
01:55:45,234 --> 01:55:50,154
Speaker 4: can't do that.

2357
01:55:48,194 --> 01:55:50,234
Speaker 3: The only way I don't know, Like I don't mean

2358
01:55:50,274 --> 01:55:52,394
Speaker 3: to pile on the guy, but like, as someone that

2359
01:55:52,474 --> 01:55:55,554
Speaker 3: was sitting in all these press conferences, I still think

2360
01:55:55,594 --> 01:55:57,754
Speaker 3: the London press conference was worse.

2361
01:55:58,354 --> 01:55:58,994
Speaker 5: It was terrible.

2362
01:55:59,034 --> 01:56:00,394
Speaker 3: I think that was the worst one.

2363
01:56:01,194 --> 01:56:04,874
Speaker 5: But I'm speaking to the players then speak to them.

2364
01:56:04,994 --> 01:56:08,074
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's so.

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Speaker 4: The body is still warm, I feel, and that's why

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01:56:12,914 --> 01:56:15,474
Speaker 4: I was gonna come out and we have to be honest.

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01:56:15,634 --> 01:56:16,154
Speaker 4: But I want to.

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Speaker 5: Say this because do you remember when Steve Spurrier took

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01:56:18,514 --> 01:56:22,234
Speaker 5: over the Redskins. Sure, so ball coach Old ball coach.

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01:56:22,354 --> 01:56:24,634
Speaker 5: He wanted to do it differently, like you know, the

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01:56:24,674 --> 01:56:27,234
Speaker 5: whole like I got to sleep in my office. You know,

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01:56:27,234 --> 01:56:30,954
Speaker 5: it's a twenty two hour a day job. Blah blah blah.

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01:56:31,034 --> 01:56:33,194
Speaker 5: I was rooting for him because I thought it was

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01:56:33,274 --> 01:56:35,634
Speaker 5: refreshing that he was willing to say I don't have

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01:56:35,674 --> 01:56:37,754
Speaker 5: to do it like that. If you do this, and

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01:56:37,754 --> 01:56:40,074
Speaker 5: you do this, and you do this, you can be successful.

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01:56:40,434 --> 01:56:42,514
Speaker 5: I wanted it to work, just like I wanted this

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01:56:42,594 --> 01:56:46,394
Speaker 5: to work with Girrod, because I do I do think

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01:56:46,394 --> 01:56:48,874
Speaker 5: that you don't have to be a cantankerous a hole

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01:56:48,994 --> 01:56:51,794
Speaker 5: at the podium every day to be successful. The way

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01:56:51,834 --> 01:56:54,234
Speaker 5: Bill was, I think, if you know what you're doing

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01:56:54,274 --> 01:56:56,714
Speaker 5: and you're buttoned down and you have everything under control,

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01:56:56,954 --> 01:57:01,194
Speaker 5: your detail oriented, you don't have to be adversarial. But

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01:57:01,314 --> 01:57:03,714
Speaker 5: much like with Steve Spurrier, it didn't work. So I

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01:57:03,714 --> 01:57:05,994
Speaker 5: didn't get the example of having that guy, you know,

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01:57:06,074 --> 01:57:08,474
Speaker 5: doing it in a different way having it work. And

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01:57:08,514 --> 01:57:10,114
Speaker 5: it didn't work the way.

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01:57:10,514 --> 01:57:13,154
Speaker 4: And Andy Reid who said, you know, if my coaches

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01:57:13,194 --> 01:57:15,234
Speaker 4: are still here at eleven o'clock, there's something wrong.

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01:57:15,314 --> 01:57:17,514
Speaker 5: Well, and Andy Reid is the perfect example. He is

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01:57:17,594 --> 01:57:21,114
Speaker 5: a hard ass on the players, but he's considered a

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01:57:21,154 --> 01:57:26,074
Speaker 5: players coach too. He is notorious for conducting one of

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01:57:26,074 --> 01:57:29,194
Speaker 5: the most difficult training camps in the league and being

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01:57:29,234 --> 01:57:31,514
Speaker 5: really demanding of the players. But at the same time,

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01:57:31,554 --> 01:57:33,994
Speaker 5: they love them, They love playing for him, and they

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01:57:34,034 --> 01:57:36,794
Speaker 5: feel like they have a voice with him. So I

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01:57:36,794 --> 01:57:39,634
Speaker 5: think you can do it both ways. It's not easy.

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01:57:39,914 --> 01:57:41,834
Speaker 4: We have a lot of emails, as I said before,

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01:57:42,114 --> 01:57:44,874
Speaker 4: but we are going to end at two. We will

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01:57:44,914 --> 01:57:47,794
Speaker 4: be back tomorrow in our regularly scheduled time at noon,

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01:57:48,154 --> 01:57:52,354
Speaker 4: so we'll have another two hours to digest, analyze, dissect

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01:57:52,394 --> 01:57:55,914
Speaker 4: what's going on. Who knows the way things are going,

2403
01:57:55,914 --> 01:57:58,274
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll have some breaking news tomorrow. I don't know,

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01:57:59,434 --> 01:58:02,314
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just saying. I'm saying, just stay tuned.

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01:58:03,034 --> 01:58:06,514
Speaker 5: One more email the offseason, Mike, the Queen is dead.

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01:58:06,674 --> 01:58:11,514
Speaker 7: Love to live the Queen like it's literally.

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01:58:09,714 --> 01:58:10,714
Speaker 3: Yeah, two in a row.

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01:58:11,834 --> 01:58:13,394
Speaker 4: One more email Jim and Pittsburgh.

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01:58:13,474 --> 01:58:13,594
Speaker 6: Right.

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01:58:13,634 --> 01:58:15,514
Speaker 4: So, and I can't help but be irritated that we

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01:58:15,634 --> 01:58:17,954
Speaker 4: have so much cap space. Do I want to be

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01:58:18,034 --> 01:58:18,794
Speaker 4: way over the cap?

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01:58:18,914 --> 01:58:18,994
Speaker 5: No?

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01:58:19,674 --> 01:58:21,834
Speaker 4: Do I like having crappy team in one hundred and

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01:58:21,874 --> 01:58:24,874
Speaker 4: thirty million in cap space? No, there's no excuse for

2416
01:58:24,954 --> 01:58:26,954
Speaker 4: I know the house is falling apart, but we have

2417
01:58:26,994 --> 01:58:30,434
Speaker 4: tons of money in the bank account. The personnel department stinks,

2418
01:58:30,714 --> 01:58:32,874
Speaker 4: and I questioned whether the Crafts are willing to spend

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01:58:32,914 --> 01:58:35,634
Speaker 4: the money. If they are, why wasn't the team better

2420
01:58:35,674 --> 01:58:38,074
Speaker 4: this year for what is supposed to be the best

2421
01:58:38,114 --> 01:58:41,274
Speaker 4: ownership in sports. I don't understand how this made sense

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01:58:41,314 --> 01:58:44,914
Speaker 4: from a business standpoint helped me understand ps What really

2423
01:58:44,994 --> 01:58:49,394
Speaker 4: upsets me is I torments. I can't torment Steelers fans anymore.

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01:58:50,114 --> 01:58:52,594
Speaker 4: I get that. I get that you're not we don't

2425
01:58:52,594 --> 01:58:54,074
Speaker 4: have the upper hand, and like.

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01:58:54,074 --> 01:58:56,114
Speaker 5: This point about not loving the fact that you have

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01:58:56,154 --> 01:58:58,634
Speaker 5: the most cap space, I don't like that either. I

2428
01:58:58,674 --> 01:59:00,834
Speaker 5: think it's not the same. But like your whole scarlet

2429
01:59:00,994 --> 01:59:05,594
Speaker 5: letter thing about the number one overall pick, you have.

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01:59:05,554 --> 01:59:07,514
Speaker 3: Nobody to spend money on, but you also have nobody

2431
01:59:07,554 --> 01:59:09,674
Speaker 3: that wants your money. And that's where the position they

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01:59:09,674 --> 01:59:11,594
Speaker 3: were in last year. Yeah, I mean, I think Mark

2433
01:59:11,634 --> 01:59:14,274
Speaker 3: Daniels reported that they had a pretty big offer out

2434
01:59:14,274 --> 01:59:16,634
Speaker 3: to Christian Wilkins. We know they had a big offer

2435
01:59:16,634 --> 01:59:21,954
Speaker 3: out to Calvin Ridley and Auk to talk.

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01:59:21,794 --> 01:59:24,274
Speaker 4: To them, I wouldn't pick up the phone they wanted.

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01:59:24,354 --> 01:59:27,234
Speaker 3: They wanted to spend money I think on players last

2438
01:59:27,234 --> 01:59:28,554
Speaker 3: off season, nobody wanted it.

2439
01:59:28,634 --> 01:59:31,194
Speaker 4: And that's the key is they were willing to spend

2440
01:59:31,234 --> 01:59:34,154
Speaker 4: the money. They just could. No one wanted their money. Yeah,

2441
01:59:34,194 --> 01:59:34,634
Speaker 4: so that's a.

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01:59:34,594 --> 01:59:36,394
Speaker 7: Good chance they can't spend all of it this year either.

2443
01:59:36,554 --> 01:59:36,914
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2444
01:59:36,914 --> 01:59:39,394
Speaker 3: Well, I think you hope that between Drake and whoever

2445
01:59:39,434 --> 01:59:42,194
Speaker 3: they hire as the head coach, that becomes the draw.

2446
01:59:42,394 --> 01:59:44,394
Speaker 3: Like if you if you're an offensive player and Ben

2447
01:59:44,514 --> 01:59:47,394
Speaker 3: Johnson's the coach and Drake Mays the quarterback, you hope

2448
01:59:47,394 --> 01:59:49,194
Speaker 3: that a receiver can see all right, I'm gonna be

2449
01:59:49,234 --> 01:59:51,314
Speaker 3: used correctly. I'm gonna have somebody you can get the

2450
01:59:51,314 --> 01:59:53,554
Speaker 3: ball to be and you draw them that way. But

2451
01:59:54,314 --> 01:59:57,034
Speaker 3: I mean it's still it's still for win football.

2452
01:59:56,634 --> 01:59:59,074
Speaker 4: Team does and I know we're up against it. But

2453
01:59:59,194 --> 02:00:02,434
Speaker 4: does the offensive coordinator have to be a name? Does

2454
02:00:02,474 --> 02:00:05,034
Speaker 4: it have to be someone who's established.

2455
02:00:04,994 --> 02:00:05,874
Speaker 5: Who's the head coach?

2456
02:00:06,794 --> 02:00:07,594
Speaker 4: Whoever it is.

2457
02:00:07,794 --> 02:00:08,834
Speaker 5: It depends with the head coach.

2458
02:00:08,834 --> 02:00:09,834
Speaker 4: And let's say it's verable.

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02:00:11,794 --> 02:00:13,994
Speaker 5: I'd like him to be someone that people are.

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02:00:13,994 --> 02:00:17,234
Speaker 4: Familiar, like, is the name of the offensive coordinator part

2461
02:00:17,274 --> 02:00:18,954
Speaker 4: of making this place a destination?

2462
02:00:20,954 --> 02:00:21,034
Speaker 6: No?

2463
02:00:21,154 --> 02:00:22,954
Speaker 5: I just wouldn't want to feel good about the guy

2464
02:00:23,274 --> 02:00:25,594
Speaker 5: that's the offensive coordinator if it's a defensive coach, if

2465
02:00:25,634 --> 02:00:26,434
Speaker 5: it's Ben Johnson.

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02:00:26,674 --> 02:00:29,554
Speaker 4: To your point, I'm not talking about for us if players.

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02:00:29,594 --> 02:00:32,794
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think the offensive coordinators. I think it's

2468
02:00:32,834 --> 02:00:34,714
Speaker 5: the same thing that happened to like you signed Austin

2469
02:00:34,754 --> 02:00:37,554
Speaker 5: Hooper because you had Alex van Pelt, Like there would

2470
02:00:37,594 --> 02:00:40,314
Speaker 5: be guys that have connections to whoever the new coordinator is,

2471
02:00:40,354 --> 02:00:42,074
Speaker 5: and that will help for those guys.

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02:00:42,674 --> 02:00:44,554
Speaker 7: I don't do you think, Oh, I just think it

2473
02:00:44,554 --> 02:00:46,874
Speaker 7: would be nice if you could kind of sell yourself

2474
02:00:46,914 --> 02:00:50,674
Speaker 7: on it and triangulate this offensive coordinator is gonna fit

2475
02:00:50,714 --> 02:00:54,154
Speaker 7: WELLGA because of this, And you know Vabel's implut like

2476
02:00:54,194 --> 02:00:56,514
Speaker 7: you know when you can look at those three pieces O, HC,

2477
02:00:56,594 --> 02:00:59,274
Speaker 7: and QB and say, all right, they've got something there.

2478
02:00:59,274 --> 02:01:00,834
Speaker 7: The QB fits what they're going to try to do.

2479
02:01:01,114 --> 02:01:04,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I just feel like, so Ben Johnson

2480
02:01:04,914 --> 02:01:07,914
Speaker 5: is probably the highest profile offensive couidator in football right now,

2481
02:01:08,434 --> 02:01:11,154
Speaker 5: not counting head coaches that are offensive coordinators. Not to

2482
02:01:11,194 --> 02:01:16,234
Speaker 5: get back into you a thing, So is Ben Johnson

2483
02:01:16,274 --> 02:01:19,154
Speaker 5: a like maybe he's good enough that he would attract

2484
02:01:19,274 --> 02:01:22,034
Speaker 5: free agents and said, like, see what he did in Detroit.

2485
02:01:22,074 --> 02:01:23,914
Speaker 5: I'd like to play in that offense. Yeah, he could

2486
02:01:23,954 --> 02:01:25,994
Speaker 5: make me some money, but I don't Is there anybody

2487
02:01:26,034 --> 02:01:27,714
Speaker 5: else that would fall into that cabin? I don't know.

2488
02:01:27,834 --> 02:01:29,994
Speaker 4: See, I just don't know. All Right, we gotta go.

2489
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