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Speaker 2: in the greatest time to own assets, this is not theoretical,
Speaker 2: this is actual factual.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: We watched an asset in twenty twenty one big twenty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and currently sit at one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. I mean even before that, you know,
Speaker 2: but just the time of the since we had the show.
Speaker 2: The first time that I personally put money into bitcoin,
Speaker 2: it was was five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: That was November of seventeen. It was five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first time I saw it, it
Speaker 3: was the fourth time I ever saw it was three
Speaker 3: hundred dollars, and it was what I say, back in
Speaker 3: the day bigcoin going to five hundred was like a
Speaker 3: big event.
Speaker 4: Well the story so this, but there's the story, and
Speaker 4: I'm telling it. So the first time I put money
Speaker 4: into bitcoin was five thousand dollars, right, And at that
Speaker 4: time people were saying five thousand was ridiculous for something
Speaker 4: that's not even real. And then it gets to ten thousand,
Speaker 4: then it got to twenty thousand, and then it's like, yo,
Speaker 4: this is this is the Tulip scam of nineteen oh nine.
Speaker 4: This is the dumbest thing ever. So it's all perspective.
Speaker 4: At five thousand, people couldn't understand it. Also, at five thousand,
Speaker 4: people were saying that you were too late. That's what
Speaker 4: a lot of people. Even with me, it was like,
Speaker 4: well you're late because this has been around for years,
Speaker 4: and people got in at five hundred, like you're paying
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars for something, why would you do that?
Speaker 4: So it's all relative. It's important to keep that in perspective.
Speaker 4: There's going to always be arguments. It's about it being
Speaker 4: too much and that you're too late. Even when I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, this is going to be the in
Speaker 4: my investment choice to yeah, people like okay, well it's
Speaker 4: already ninety thousand dollars eighty five thousand, all while you
Speaker 4: what's the upside? You can get thirty three percent rate
Speaker 4: of return in six months and it's still going to
Speaker 4: go up like I mean.
Speaker 1: Thirteen percent else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly the same reasons we just said that in
Speaker 2: video has a four to five year run, we can
Speaker 2: say four to five years. There's no I'm living on
Speaker 2: on on bitcoin and right like you got to figure
Speaker 2: like that appreciation the last bitcoin's going to be mined
Speaker 2: and was it twenty forty two.
Speaker 1: We're in twenty twenty five. That's seventeen years away.
Speaker 5: And I'll say this, this run would not have happened
Speaker 5: without the institution and the centralization of And please don't
Speaker 5: come for me. I've been investing since two thousand and nine.
Speaker 5: We've seen a lot. It does not make me the
Speaker 5: foremost expert on anything. I have created freedom for myself
Speaker 5: before I got to talking online. Without black Rock and Vanguard,
Speaker 5: this run wouldn't have happened, which is why you don't
Speaker 5: see that drastic fall off that we've seen in the past.
Speaker 1: We used to have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when we or your bigcoin don't get taken like
Speaker 5: minded a Mountain Cox when you were selling Mela Luca coffee.
Speaker 5: Some of y'all need to stop talking and put up
Speaker 5: some results like Detroit did.
Speaker 2: Right, we saw that twenty eighteen climbed up to eighteen thousand,
Speaker 2: dropped down to three. Right, we saw it climb up
Speaker 2: to forty forty thousand, drop down to twenty. We're we're
Speaker 2: not seeing those drastic pullbacks.
Speaker 1: No, this institutional investing a lot of whales, I think.
Speaker 4: I mean, we still got some political derailing that could
Speaker 4: potentially happen.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 4: But okay, so the next thing is gonna be like, well,
Speaker 4: you can't get the ten thousand percent rate of return
Speaker 4: that you once got, probably not, but there's still room
Speaker 4: for upside growth. And that's what makes michael strategy so
Speaker 4: interesting because now that's a more risk play that people
Speaker 4: are taking with leverage, and then you could add options
Speaker 4: on top of that, where that was his whole thing
Speaker 4: to begin with, because before you couldn't even run option
Speaker 4: plays on like bitcoin ETF at one point, So that
Speaker 4: was his position even two years ago, of like where
Speaker 4: leveraged that's going to give you higher rate of return
Speaker 4: than traditional bitcoin, even though it's kind of like tracking bigcoin.
Speaker 4: So if bigcoin goes of twenty percent, you could probably
Speaker 4: get thirty five percent of micro strategy, let's just say.
Speaker 4: But then you can also do options on micro strategy
Speaker 4: and then turn that.
Speaker 1: Into one hundred.
Speaker 4: So there are ways to steal long story struck addressing
Speaker 4: addressing a question that I know is going to be asked,
Speaker 4: are there are ways to leverage rates of return to
Speaker 4: actually even grow even higher while still investing in the
Speaker 4: bigcoin space. That's up to you to see if you're
Speaker 4: a risk real ward ratio and if it's worth it,
Speaker 4: and if you have the risk tolerance, and you know,
Speaker 4: obviously do your own research. You're responsible for any decision
Speaker 4: that you make. But there are ways that you can
Speaker 4: still accelerate your growth in investments outside of just putting
Speaker 4: money inside of bigcoin and then just buying and holding it.
Speaker 1: What are the kinds of investing in micro strategy? Right?
Speaker 2: Because if I'm only asking because in my mind, I'm
Speaker 2: sure people are thinking that too, like, Hey, if crypto
Speaker 2: does have a slight pullback, which it probably will, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that it'll be a drastic of fifty percent
Speaker 2: pullback or six percent like we've seen.
Speaker 1: They buy it at the current price.
Speaker 2: And let's say twenty twenty six, which everybody and at
Speaker 2: that cycle seems to be a year or has historically
Speaker 2: been a year where it draws down just a little
Speaker 2: bit before obviously it starts to appreciate again in that cycle,
Speaker 2: if they're buying at current prices and for six months
Speaker 2: it's below the price that they bought at.
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