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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, and welcome to a late night after hours.

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Speaker 1: This isn't just the after party. This is the after

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Speaker 1: after party.

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Speaker 2: It is twelve forty seven am. Definitely Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: The latest we've ever recorded a Falcon's Final Whistle podcast.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it is. And if it's not, it's close. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But we had to stay up late for this one, yep,

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Speaker 1: to discuss the fact that the Atlanta Falcons just drafted

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Speaker 1: one of the best players regardless of position, in this

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Speaker 1: entire NFL draft, Texas running back Jon Robinson.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and number eight overall.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the Falcons skill positions our Bjon Robinson,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Alzier, Kyle Pitts, Drake London, Johnny Smith.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Arthur Smith has a lot of weapons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What was your initial reaction to the pick?

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Speaker 1: Because we've been kind of sniffing around this one for

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Speaker 1: a while, and then now that you've you've you've spoken

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Speaker 1: to Terry FONNT, now you've spoken to Arthur Smith, We've

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Speaker 1: heard from Jon Robinson. What's your takeaway at the end

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Speaker 1: of a very long night.

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Speaker 4: I think this was a situation where the Falcons from

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Speaker 4: all the conversations that I feel like we've had with

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Speaker 4: all the decision makers that they liked Vjon from the jump. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and they knew they had. What they did in free

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Speaker 4: agency I think set them up for what they were

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Speaker 4: able to do today. I know we were talking to

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Speaker 4: Terry and Arthur the other day and Arthur made the

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Speaker 4: comment about, you know, we don't feel desperate to go

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Speaker 4: into this draft and feel like we have to have X,

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Speaker 4: Y or Z.

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Speaker 2: We don't feel that way.

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Speaker 4: And I think because of the moves and the money

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Speaker 4: that they were able to pump into the defense, especially

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Speaker 4: you go out and get Jesse Bates, Clydes Campbell, but Dupre,

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Speaker 4: David on Yamanakayden Ellis. I mean literally, I'm just naming

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Speaker 4: off people that they just put so much money towards

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Speaker 4: to make this defense better that you get into the

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Speaker 4: first round of the twenty five, twenty three NFL Draft

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Speaker 4: and you have a guy like Bjeon Robinson, which I

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Speaker 4: know people are like, oh, you don't take a running

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Speaker 4: back in the first round. Look, we understand the connotation

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Speaker 4: behind that, But at the exact same time, I think

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Speaker 4: the Falcons felt like more than anybody else, Bejon Robinson

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Speaker 4: fit what they wanted to do offensively in twenty twenty thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It even came up in the post Round one press conference,

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Speaker 1: the positionless football term. Yeah, I think Terry dropped it

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Speaker 1: this time. And he's another one of those positionless guys,

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Speaker 1: like Kyle Smith, like Cordero Patters.

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Speaker 2: How pitts L. Smith is the VP of player personnel. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is twelve to fifty in the morning.

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Speaker 3: It's very late, and I apparently can't think of names.

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Speaker 1: But you have all these guys that you can take

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Speaker 1: one formation out there and line up a thousand different ways.

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Speaker 1: I think the fit between you talk about culture fits.

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Speaker 1: You wrote a great series about the Falcons finding culture fits. Right,

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Speaker 1: you talk about the in terms.

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Speaker 3: Of his talent level.

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Speaker 1: What about the Yeah, the fit between b Jeon Robinson

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Speaker 1: and Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And that's what I wrote about.

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Speaker 4: I definitely think that I recommend going back and reading

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Speaker 4: what I wrote because I talked to Michael Petrie, who

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Speaker 4: is the Falcons running backs coach, and something that he

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Speaker 4: said that I thought was really before Arthur Smith said it.

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Speaker 4: Michael Petrie said it and he made the comment he

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Speaker 4: was like, yes, he'll go on the roster and on

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Speaker 4: the website as a running back. But he's not just

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Speaker 4: a running back. He's more than a running back. And

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Speaker 4: then you heard that echoed by Arthur Smith and his

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Speaker 4: press conference that we just got done with, where you're

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Speaker 4: talking about the way the ways that you can use

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Speaker 4: him as a pass catcher, as a to pound the

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Speaker 4: ball on the ground as well, and how this doesn't

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Speaker 4: really take away I think from Tyler Algier.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an important point fans were probably wondering

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Speaker 4: Right and I don't think that this takes away from

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Speaker 4: Tyler Algier because you know, and I wrote this, I

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Speaker 4: guarantee you the amount of twenty two personnel that Arthur

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Speaker 4: September is going to be I mean he's gonna I

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Speaker 4: can so see b Jeon Robinson and Tyler Algier out

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Speaker 4: I think that it's a situation too where they can

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Speaker 4: compliment each other. I wrote in our initial news or

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Speaker 4: about b Jeon Robinson being taken number eight overall, I

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Speaker 4: said Bijon is the lightning to Tyler Alger's thunder. To me,

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Speaker 4: that's exactly how I view them. And I'm so glad

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Speaker 4: that Arthur Smith got into the differences between Yes, they're

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Speaker 4: both running backs, but the differences between them is it

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Speaker 2: Having these two guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're both good at at the same quote

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Speaker 1: unquote elusiveness and tackle breaking metric. But he said, Tyler

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Speaker 4: And the thing is that's something that I said. I

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Speaker 4: think when I was writing too, it was like, you

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Speaker 4: look at Tyler Alger, he led the FBS in miss tackles,

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Speaker 4: broken tackles in twenty twenty two or twenty twenty and

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Speaker 4: then twenty twenty one that season before he got drafted. Right,

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Speaker 4: Guess who led the FBS in missed and broken tackles

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, b Jeon Robinson. They did it

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Speaker 4: though in very different ways. Tyler Algier is gonna run

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Speaker 2: Going to make you miss. And that's the difference.

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Speaker 4: And I think Arthur Smith like laid it out there

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Speaker 4: has this elusiveness that I think everyone talks about when

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Speaker 2: About this guy.

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Speaker 1: I think you asked a good question in the press

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Speaker 1: conference about when did you when did the Falcons fall

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Speaker 1: in love with Jon Robinson as a prospect, and Terry

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Speaker 1: Fontina said everything, that every part in the step, every

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Speaker 1: build an overall evaluation.

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Speaker 3: But their trip to Austin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in late March early April Ish Ballpark seemed to

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Speaker 3: Arthur and Terry kind of talked about that, yeah, a lot.

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Speaker 4: And I also talked to you, like I said, talked

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Speaker 4: send guys to Austin and we get to know Bijon

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Speaker 3: Him and have that you know, we have dinner with it.

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Speaker 4: They have dinner with him where Takwan Graham apparently orders

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Speaker 4: a dinosaur sized rib.

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Speaker 2: According to Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 4: It's barbecue it's Austin, Texas. But that was a very

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Speaker 4: I think important moment for the coaching staff to actually

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Speaker 4: be able to see, Okay, how does this kid work,

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Speaker 4: how does he move, how does how can we best

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Speaker 4: utilize him, how can we best teach him? I think

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Speaker 4: all of those things probably happened in that moment something

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Speaker 4: it happened before then too. Like I know they're not

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Speaker 4: But I do think that they were very high on

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Speaker 4: Bjeon Robinson from go just because just from talking to people,

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Speaker 4: before he was even draft eligible, and something he said.

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Speaker 4: He was like, we were watching, you know, a Texas

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Speaker 4: notes by the end of it about Bejon Robinson and

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Speaker 4: he was, without questioning, the best player on the field.

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Speaker 4: And then Terry Fontna says that exact same thing in

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Speaker 4: the press conference when people say the same things over

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Speaker 2: And that's why I truly believe it's like, Okay.

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Speaker 4: They're saying that this is the guy who's the best

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Speaker 4: player on the field. When did you find out about that?

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Speaker 4: Probably the first time that you watched him play against

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Speaker 4: other people, you know, Like, to me, like the timeline

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Speaker 4: of this, I know, it's not like I'm beating a

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Speaker 4: dead horse, probably, but like, I really do think that

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Speaker 4: they had Bjon Robinson marked on top of their draft

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Speaker 4: boards for a very long time, and I think the

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Speaker 4: moment that they saw that they were at number eight

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Speaker 4: let's go get him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And Terry Fontina after the press conference, I had

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Speaker 1: the time when he's on the clock, when the Falcons

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Speaker 3: They're excited this is the guy. He's right there.

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Speaker 1: They're still taking the calls, they're doing the due diligence.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you're trying to ray trying to weigh

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Speaker 1: the risk of going down and maybe losing him, yeah,

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Speaker 1: versus the possibility of picking up an extra asset, and

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Speaker 1: and you pick up the extra asset, but you don't

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Speaker 1: wanting to make a falcon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And ultimately he was saying that the offers that were

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Speaker 1: the homework in terms of trade parameters that they did

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Speaker 1: before the draft started, that they were weighing all those

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Speaker 1: them to try to pick up the extra asset. Now

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Speaker 1: we don't know what they were offered and how that

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Speaker 1: all breaks down, but I think that that's powerful that, Look,

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Speaker 1: you still talk to people, you still do your due diligence,

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Speaker 1: and then you say, we don't want to lose this

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Speaker 3: And I think ultimately.

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Speaker 1: That's why they stuck there at eight and I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest issue that if you're a detractor of this

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Speaker 1: pick is the running back value.

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Speaker 2: You think, right, you don't get to a second contract, that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't get to your second contract, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you can. I think of top ten picks, and I

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Speaker 1: think of a La Danian, Tomlinson and Sekwon Barkley, and

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Speaker 1: you know there's very few of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, LT's two thousand and one. I'm old.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, you think about, like what you can get

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Speaker 1: you have conviction that this guy can be really special.

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Speaker 1: His carry counts at Texas weren't astronomical, right so, and

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Speaker 1: as you pointed out in the press commerce as well,

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Speaker 1: he's been pretty healthy.

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Speaker 3: Knock on what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't mark that makes you do?

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Speaker 1: How dare you bring that up? But nonetheless that you're

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it kind of drives me nuts. Did you get

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Speaker 2: The Falcons did?

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Speaker 1: The Falcons did. Will they be proven right for making

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Speaker 4: In a minute, you know, I think that a lot

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Speaker 4: He's setting up for this young quarterback to be able

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Speaker 1: Go right that you almost that it's possible that you

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Speaker 3: And that's what they went out and got right.

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening to this. I don't know,

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