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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with out our superproducer,

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Speaker 1: all mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realist John McAfee is dead.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of his life, he was a study

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Speaker 1: in contradiction, hyperbole, and arguably at times of studying genius.

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Speaker 1: It's no secret that his views were extreme, and his

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Speaker 1: He made and lost a fortune. At least, he loved

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Speaker 1: the public spotlight, embraced it, and he died quite recently

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Speaker 1: in a Spanish prison cell while awaiting extradition to the

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Speaker 1: US on a litany of charges. In today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: to one burning question, did he in fact as officials

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Speaker 1: have concluded, take his own life, and why do so

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Speaker 1: many people question the official narrative. To answer this, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to start by learning a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about the man himself. And this is one of those

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Speaker 1: got the crazy. Just be very well aware of folks,

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Speaker 1: The facts themselves are pretty insane in this case. So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here are the facts. Yeah, So let's

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Speaker 1: start with John McAfee's life first. John David McAfee was

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Speaker 1: born on September eighteenth of nineteen forty five on a

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Speaker 1: in Gloucestershire, England. His father was Don McAfee, an American

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Speaker 1: stationed on that base. While he was born in the

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom, McAfee grew up in Salem, Virginia, and in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty his father tragically took his own life UM,

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Speaker 1: something that may come into play in terms of hereditary

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Speaker 1: degree in math from Roanoke College seven years later in

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Speaker 1: tongue and shoo. It's the spectacle of it, you know.

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00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: And he also made a lot of enemies. It wasn't

428
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: just his neighbor. He alleges that some of the charges

429
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: against him were simply politically motivated because he refused to

430
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: donate to a campaign funds for local politician that lived

431
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: in his neighborhood. Yeah, he called him bribes, like all

432
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: just straight up bribes, right, And then when they jammed

433
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: him up with some stuff that they came back and

434
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: they said, hey, how do you what do you think

435
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: about donate aiding to the campaign? Now? Have you changed

436
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: your mind? And then his answer was yes, because now

437
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: you have pissed me off. Right, And this is his

438
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: own retail, right, He's like, earlier, I didn't care, Now

439
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm angry at you. But Ben, don't you think it's

440
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: a little weird that they rated his compound, shot his dog,

441
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: did all of that stuff. I think that was right

442
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: when that happened. Isn't it weird that that occurred? They

443
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: threw him in jail, and then they dropped all the charges, Like, yeah,

444
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: if something was going on, But I'm trying to imagine

445
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: the scenarios. If something was going on, they found some stuff,

446
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: they put him in jail. He either bribed them and

447
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: pay them off to get out of jail, or they

448
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: just dropped the charges because nothing was happening. Those are

449
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: the only two things I can imagine. Or it wasn't

450
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: meant to stick. It was an intimidation. They were putting

451
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: him on notice. All right, that's the possibility. But you know,

452
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: I I don't mean to sound too old school about it,

453
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: but I think killing someone's dog is something that's literally

454
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: what to all those John Wick movies, you guys, I mean,

455
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, this the neighbor before his death is also

456
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: politically active. He has written to the mayor about the

457
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: issue with McAfee's dogs, and then the neighbor also, Paul

458
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: also doesn't like the company that's on the McAfee compound.

459
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: He says, you know, this guy is surrounded by these dangerous,

460
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: trigger happy bodyguards and there are a lot a lot

461
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: of girls showing up there, and I believe they are

462
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: under age. So he is like he he has what

463
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: he feels are legitimate grievances, and it's important to know

464
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: it's more than just those nine dogs. So given all this,

465
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: and then later you know, as you said, no, Matt,

466
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: the guys found with a gunshot to the back of

467
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: his head, and he's been tasered multiple times. He's been

468
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: tasered multiple times. There is a shell case he found

469
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: like on the stairs leading to the second floor. No

470
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: forcible entry, no items taken from the house. Sorry, right, right, No,

471
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: you're right, Because they kept the doors to the first

472
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: floor open so that air would circulate to the second floor,

473
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: so you could just walk. Someone walked in and shot

474
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: him and nobody thought it was a suicide. With all

475
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: this information, you can see why the authorities of belize

476
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: whe whether you consider them crooked or not, you can

477
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: see how in this case they were like, yeah, we

478
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: should probably talk to his neighbor, you know, and and

479
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: so they knew, like his reputation, these earlier disagreements, he

480
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: was a notoriously hot headed dude. So they go to

481
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: question him. McPhee maintains his innocence. In fact, he later

482
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: writes an open letter to the family of the murder

483
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: victim and offers a twenty five thousand dollar reward for

484
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: information regarding the death, but he never gives the police

485
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: of Belize a chance to talk to her interview him.

486
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: He immediately, very publicly goes on the run, and he

487
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: like he disguises himself. He's he's dyed his hair, he's

488
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: stained his teeth. He said he dressed like a raggedy

489
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: salesman and didn't bathe for several days. Uh. But what

490
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: do we mean when we say he very publicly went

491
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: on the lamb. It was his golden age for interviews.

492
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: He was everywhere, uh soaking up the publicity and it

493
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: was partially um, the allure I think of notoriety and fame,

494
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: but it was also, in a very real sense, uh,

495
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: an insurance policy. Yeah, you can always find me, right,

496
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm in the news all over the place, and I'm

497
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: making dates essentially on my calendar to have interviews. So

498
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: if he goes missing or something like that, it's just

499
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: very brazen, isn't it. It's like it's almost like a

500
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: bit that he's doing. Like in a similar way, those

501
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: YouTube videos are a bit like why bother disguising yourself

502
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: and going through all that trouble When you're just kind

503
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: of like out yourself publicly in that way. It seems

504
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: like he's he's literally saying, I'm invincible. Come at me, bro,

505
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm not scared. What if he really believes like I'm

506
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: just and I'm just putting out there. I don't necessarily

507
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: believe this, But what if he really does truly believe

508
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: that the authorities and beliezes are out to get him

509
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: for something? Whatever? That thing is it? What? And And

510
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: so if we understand that, then maybe it explains his

511
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: actions a little better. I don't. I don't know if

512
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: it's tough to put ourselves in that his shoes, especially

513
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: if you believe that he killed his neighbor. There are

514
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: some scenarios where he does and doesn't kill his neighbor.

515
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: So we just don't know. Yeah, it's important. That's a

516
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: good point that because it's important to understand that from

517
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: his perspective, the way he's explained it, this um fleeing

518
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: the authorities is only a reaction to an escalating pattern

519
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: of like harassment and intimidation. That's that's the way that

520
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: he typically frames it. And how do we know that,

521
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: because again, he did so many interviews on the run

522
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: and He claimed that there was a conspiracy of foot

523
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: against him, that if he were thrown in jail and

524
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: believe he would be silenced because of shadowy forces that

525
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: were afraid of the information he possessed. This is the

526
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: beginning of his time alluding to what's called a dead

527
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: hand system or a dead man switch or a kill switch.

528
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: And that's you know, if you've listened to this show

529
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: for a while, you're familiar with this um. A lot

530
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: of countries, a lot of powerful individuals and organizations have

531
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: things like this. The idea is that you set up

532
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: just a quick and dirty idea is that you set

533
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: up a system or mechanism of some sort that requires

534
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: you to check in to verify your safety, freedom, and

535
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: health at you know, any given frequency, and then when

536
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: you fail that check in or when you don't make

537
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: that verification, it triggers an automated mechanism to release whatever

538
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: your blackmail or your compromat is. It's pretty effective when

539
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: it worked. But the big question for a lot of

540
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: people in the conspiracy world now is how come we

541
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: hear so much about these but we don't see them.

542
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: It's sort of like the informational equivalent of having like

543
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: a suicide vest on or something and saying you know,

544
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: if you if you attack me, you're all gonna go

545
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: down with me. Um. Yeah, But it could literally be

546
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: as simple as an email timer or a or a

547
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: social media post. I mean, there's like what we all

548
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: know that so many social media managers use these very

549
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: elaborate scheduling systems where you know, they don't do it

550
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: when it comes out, they have them scheduled weeks in

551
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: advanced sometimes, and that would be just as probably more effective, honestly,

552
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: is releasing this stuff like as a tweet to everyone

553
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: or it could be more targeted. Yeah. Absolutely, And this

554
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: this is going to play a big role in the

555
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: story which continues to unfold today. So he had clearly

556
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: he had made a calculation, clearly, and his logic was,

557
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: like we said that by staying in the public eye

558
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: he was safer than he would be if he was

559
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: fully like off the grid underground. He even had a

560
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: blog that I updated on the regular who was underground

561
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: for about a month and a half. And during this time, you'll,

562
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm laughing because it's a weird statement. During this time,

563
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: the government of Belize is trying, in a way to

564
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: play a little bit nice because at least in their

565
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: public statements, we don't know what goes on in the

566
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: back rooms, right The Prime Minister at the time, a

567
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: guy named Dean Barrow, seems at a loss because they're

568
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: the government is continually saying, look again, hey John, if

569
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: you're listening, we haven't officially called you a murder suspect.

570
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: We just were your a purson of interest because you're

571
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: the neighbor. You'll love guns, you gotta temper. We're just

572
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: saying there's no smoking gun, but we need to talk

573
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: to you to investigate this crime. And at one point,

574
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: when he's referring to McAfee deep, Prime Minister Barrow says,

575
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to be unkind to the gentleman, but

576
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: I believe he's extremely paranoid, even uh bonkers, which is

577
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: exactly what you would say if you wanted to paint

578
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: him as like, as a crazy person. But maybe he's

579
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: watching it, Matt and he's going, yeah, bonkers like a fox.

580
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: I just don't know that he really needed any help

581
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: painting himself as a bit of a paranoiac uh nut job.

582
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to ride this line here, guys.

583
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: Let's keep let's keep it going. Being paranoid does not

584
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: inherently conflicate to being delusionable, Absolutely not. And you're right,

585
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: there is there are signs that something was going on.

586
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he he may well have had it coming, um,

587
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: but I have no doubt that that he had some

588
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: very powerful enemies. Oh yeah, of course. And and uh

589
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: he his run would have continued longer, most likely if

590
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: it were not for an accident on the part of

591
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: Vice Vice Man Magazine, Vice Media. They they've done some

592
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: really great work, you know, but in this case, they

593
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: they were following along with him, They were with him

594
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: while he was on the run or for part of

595
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: his journey, and they made a misstep, a very an

596
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: easy misstep to make, and in all likelihood an honest mistake.

597
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: And they weren't trying to get him busted, is what

598
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: we're saying. They uploaded a photo to their website that

599
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: contained location data, and this revealed that by this point

600
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: McAfee had crossed international borders and he was in Guatemala illegally. Remember,

601
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: and this at this point, multiple governments are paying attention.

602
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: They want to find him. And you know, one thing

603
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: that was odd to me about this is McAfee doesn't

604
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: seem really mad that the people involved. He's a very

605
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: paranoid dude, But he also believes it's just an honest mistake,

606
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: which seems counterintuitive to what we know about him. Right, Yeah,

607
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: surprisingly even handed for him, this stood out to me.

608
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: He's like, we immediately had to go on the run

609
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: again because we're in guatemala illegally at this point. But

610
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: it was no one's real fault. It was just the

611
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: fault of the moment Wow. I like that language. That's good.

612
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: The fault of the moment um. He was caught in

613
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: December in guatemala Um and he actually faked two separate

614
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: heart attacks, which, knowing we know about his predilection for

615
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, certain extracurricular substances tracks um, in order to

616
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: avoid deportation to belieze and in many ways, I mean,

617
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: the only way that really matters. I guess it worked

618
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: because he was instead deported to Miami. And what do

619
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: you do after you've been arrested multiple times andtionally wanted fugitive.

620
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: You know what you do, Matt, You run for president.

621
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: That's exactly what you do. He was like, the he

622
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: like the proto Joe exotic, you know what I mean,

623
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: like really wild. Yeah, he was. He's I don't know

624
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: his opinion on tigers, but it was wild. It's so weird, weird,

625
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: Just a friendly remind fellow conspiracy realist. We're not at

626
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: the crazy part yet. This is just this guy's life

627
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: as it actually happened, and it's already pretty extraordinary. Matt,

628
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, goes to he goes to Miami. He's deported,

629
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: he's not going back to Belize, and in he announces

630
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: that he will run as a candidate for the Cyber

631
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: Party presidency of the United States of America. The Cyber Party,

632
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: as you know, is um not the most prominent political

633
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: organization in the US, so later he switches to the

634
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: Libertarian Party, which makes sense because he himself, you know,

635
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: has a spouse these views. Yeah, I feel like a

636
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: kid in middle school learning about what cybering is. Uh So,

637
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: it's like cyber It was always so funny when light Trump,

638
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Speaker 1: for example, or any kind of like you know, slightly

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Speaker 1: out of touch politician refers to just the Internet at

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Speaker 1: large as the cyber you know, yeah, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I I wish we as a nation acknowledged that more often.

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Speaker 1: I'm not picking on any particular political party here, I'm

643
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Speaker 1: just saying, should the people who don't know how to

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Speaker 1: open email be in charge of laws about email? So

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Speaker 1: with spoiler alert, folks, he does not become the president

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Speaker 1: of the US in you know, he says, hey, I

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Speaker 1: mean second times charm. He runs again, and this time

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Speaker 1: he's running in exile. He's on a boat. He's an

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Speaker 1: international waters He says he's doing this to stay to

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Speaker 1: be out of reach of the I R S. Because

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00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: he's fleeing charges of felony tax evasion. How do you

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Speaker 1: run for president of the same country. Let's trying to arrestue.

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Speaker 1: He had a V for vendetta plan. This is a

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00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: true story. When asked about this, he said, okay, well,

655
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Speaker 1: which is what we're gonna do. We're gonna print thousands

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Speaker 1: of McAfee masked and my followers will wear them and

657
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Speaker 1: we'll you know, we'll have like flash mobs and we'll

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Speaker 1: have he called them road warriors. Said first, our road

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Speaker 1: warriors will go out once a month to appear in

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Speaker 1: parks and street corners and restaurants all around America. While

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Speaker 1: I like the mask would have like or these people

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Speaker 1: would be carrying loudspeakers and he would speak through the

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Speaker 1: loudspeaker while everyone looks at the masked faces. Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: is like, do you want that guy in charge of

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Speaker 1: your country? For sure? I mean you could definitely he

666
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Speaker 1: would kick acid community theater. It's like a really terrifying

667
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: street team, you know, or like campaign. Um seems to

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Speaker 1: be based on intimidation and just absolute weirdness. Um, he

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Speaker 1: paid all the fees and everything. You guys, like he

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Speaker 1: really went like he did it, we did it right?

671
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: Or was it more just you know, a pr stunt? Yeah,

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00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: open question, good question. Um. It can be hard to

673
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: ascribe his motivations, you know, are hard to divine them.

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Speaker 1: I should say. As far as whether this was all

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Speaker 1: publicity stunt or whether he genuinely believed that he would

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Speaker 1: be a good pick for the highest office in the land,

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Speaker 1: I tend to think that he was serious about it.

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00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: I tend to think he genuinely wanted to make a

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Speaker 1: go for it, but he he didn't wasn't successful. Fast

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Speaker 1: forward October twenty he is arrested in Spain at the

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Speaker 1: request of Uncle Sam. Yes. He's accused of dodging tax

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Speaker 1: returns for four years, despite raking in millions and millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars. At least the r S says from his

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Speaker 1: work with consulting cryptocurrencies, he's still in trouble for that

685
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: speaking engagements they charged for. He also sold his life rights,

686
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: because who doesn't want a movie about themselves. He also

687
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: got accused of hiding cash and hiding assets by putting

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Speaker 1: them in other people's names, you know, which is why

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Speaker 1: I like Matt Noel and I all have. You know,

690
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Speaker 1: we all have yachts, but they're all really pulse yachts.

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Speaker 1: The guy just has too many yachts. My big question here, guys,

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Speaker 1: and I don't remember reading this in my research, is

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Speaker 1: a So he got arrested at one point after the

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Speaker 1: whole quadmaladvice thing. He got deported to Florida. How long

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Speaker 1: was he there? Did when did he get released from

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Speaker 1: prison that time to then get picked up again? I

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Speaker 1: just didn't I didn't understand the timeline and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: find it. Yeah, it was a little It was a

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Speaker 1: little weird too. I don't think he was I don't

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Speaker 1: think it was locked up when he got to Miami.

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Speaker 1: I think it was just deported. They just got him

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Speaker 1: out of there. Okay, that was my misunderstanding. Thanks to guys,

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00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. UM. But in March he was indicted,

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Speaker 1: so they didn't lock him up right away, but he

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Speaker 1: was indicted on other charges, including fraud and money laundering. UM.

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00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: The US Justice Department was now on his tail, alleging

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Speaker 1: that he and a unnamed business partner UM defrauded investors

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Speaker 1: of around thirteen million dollars by like we talked about earlier,

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00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: falsely promoting cryptocurrencies and McAfee. UM. He fought these charges

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Speaker 1: and claimed that he was being targeted by some kind

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Speaker 1: of shadowy cabal h that was after him for personal reasons. UM.

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Speaker 1: These were the very same forces that he would allege

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Speaker 1: have been chasing him across the entire globe. He never

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Speaker 1: really says who exactly they are, but they seem pretty

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Speaker 1: powerful and pretty scary, and let they want him dead.

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Speaker 1: At least that's, you know, the urgency with which he's

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Speaker 1: describing these things. UM. As that particular legal case went forward,

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Speaker 1: Spain ruled in favor of the extradition UM, concluding that

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Speaker 1: there was quote no revealing data or indication that Mr

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Speaker 1: McAfee could be subjected to any political persecute shan Uh. Then,

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Speaker 1: as we know um on June, John McAfee was found

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Speaker 1: dad in his cell and it's where he's reached the

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Speaker 1: conclusion they maintained today that John McAfee took his own life.

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Speaker 1: Would you be surprised to learn some people think there's

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00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: a conspiracy of foot Would you be surprised to know

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00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: that Ben is holding a spear, a tactical spear, across

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Speaker 1: his back as he says this, it's a spear summer

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Speaker 1: for me. Man, I don't want to tell you, but

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Speaker 1: of course absolutely no one's surprised to learn people are

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Speaker 1: questioning the official narrative. So at this point we're gonna

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Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsor and then we'll

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Speaker 1: return to the day of McAfee's death. Here's where it

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Speaker 1: gets crazy, finally, right, it's already been kind of crazy,

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Speaker 1: but now we're at the moment the death of John McAfee. First,

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Speaker 1: we did his life, Now we're at the part where

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Speaker 1: he died. McAfee's body was found in his cell at

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Speaker 1: the Brian's To Penitentiary Center, which is located close to Barcelona.

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Speaker 1: And this he was found dead just a few hours

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Speaker 1: after the Spanish National Court greenlit his extradition, who was

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Speaker 1: seventy five years old at the time. The authorities concluded

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Speaker 1: this that he was alone at the time of his death,

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Speaker 1: that he took his life via hanging. A later autopsy

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Speaker 1: confirms this by Spanish authorities, but his widow, Janice, requested

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Speaker 1: a second autopsy immediately upon release of that first autopsy,

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Speaker 1: and today she is one of the many people claiming

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Speaker 1: that McAfee did not commit suicide, but he was in

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00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: fact murder. His lawyer also seems skeptical at the very

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00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: least that's right. His lawyer, Javier Vilalba said, quote, at

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Speaker 1: no point had he shown any special worry or clue

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Speaker 1: that could let us think this could have happened. Um.

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00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: Similar to the kinds of sentiments we heard after the

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Speaker 1: alleged suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. Um. And it's a very

753
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: similar flood of Internet conspiracy theory, speculation, rumors, you know,

754
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: just going wild the and it's got the Internet going nuts,

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00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: as they say. Um. And a lot of this was because,

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Speaker 1: I mean, McAfee has been laying the groundwork for this

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00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: for his entire life for years, especially leading up to

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Speaker 1: his demise and it's tough to trace all the strings

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00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: of this web, due in part to his love of

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00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: being a showman an unreliable narrator, like, for an example,

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00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: multiple times he refused to acknowledge how much wealth he

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00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: did or did not possess, how much money he made

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Speaker 1: or lost in a given endeavor. And there's one interview

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Speaker 1: we'll play a clip from this where he admits that

765
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: he just makes up answers when people ask him how

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Speaker 1: much he's worth the business. And so the numbers that

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00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: I throw out members of I just random in your

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00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: life going out, it's the number four weeks. Good if

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Speaker 1: number forty four was the first two numbers of the

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Speaker 1: lottery when yesterday I was saying forty four, that's meaningless,

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Speaker 1: leave nothing, I said, when it comes to my work,

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Speaker 1: you know, So that's weird. But to your point, noel Um,

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Speaker 1: he was actively urging people to uh to refuse any

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00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: official narrative that said he committed suicide. And he got

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Speaker 1: very explicit with this on social media. Yeah, on November

776
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: en he made this tweet quote getting subtle messages from

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Speaker 1: US officials saying, in effect, we're coming for you McAfee.

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Speaker 1: We're going to kill yourself. Do you hear that right?

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00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: We are going to kill yourself. And then he said

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Speaker 1: I got a tattoo today just in case if I

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00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: suicide myself. I didn't. I was whacked. Check my right

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Speaker 1: arm and it says I believe money mine whacked w

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Speaker 1: H A C K D. And then on October, while

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Speaker 1: he's in jail in Spain, uh, he posts the following,

785
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: or someone post for him the following on Twitter quote,

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Speaker 1: I am contenting here, I have friends, the food is good.

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Speaker 1: All as well know that if I hang myself Allah Epstein,

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Speaker 1: it will be no fault of mine. M hmm. Yeah,

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00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: we're weird. Um. And though, here's one more thing to note.

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Speaker 1: Roughly sixty minutes after the the public was made aware

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Speaker 1: that he was dead, the official Instagram account of John

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00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: McAfee posted, then deleted, simply the letter Q. He had

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00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: a reference to Q and I trying to stir things up. Yeah,

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00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just really laying it on thick, isn't me? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: With this one, it seems like you will find some

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00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: arguments that this Instagram post after his death was by

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00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: one his followers, and that like one of someone who

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00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: was associated with him, was actually running the accounts. But yeah,

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00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: you can see how this clearly looks like some something

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00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: is messed up in conspiracy land. So if he did

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00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: not actually take his own life, the next question would

802
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: be who did and why if we're just you know,

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00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: exploring this concept. If you go back to Twitter, you

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00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: see that he believes he has a nemesis. He says

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Speaker 1: on June nine, I've collective files on corruption in governments.

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Speaker 1: For the first time, I'm naming names and specifics. I'll

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Speaker 1: begin with a corrupt CIA agent and to Bahamanian officials

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Speaker 1: coming today. If I'm arrested or disappear, thirty one plus

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00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: terabytes of incriminated data will be released to the press.

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Speaker 1: That's also explicitly like I've got a dead hand. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that was twenty nineteen in June. Then in August

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Speaker 1: of he again affirms, confirms, tells everyone, I've got this

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Speaker 1: thing that's going to trigger if anything happens to me.

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Speaker 1: He specifically writes, quote, if I'm arrested or disappear or die,

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Speaker 1: every news outlet on the planet will be told the truth.

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00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Those in power, if they have any sense, will pray

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Speaker 1: that I live free to one this is interesting we'll

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00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: get to who he's alluding to. But clearly he believes

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Speaker 1: facets of the U. S. Government are after him, right,

820
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Speaker 1: and we'll we'll find out why in just a second.

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Speaker 1: So before his death, his wife claims the US government.

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Speaker 1: She predicts that the US government will have a hand

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Speaker 1: in his murder, and she says that the U S

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00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: authorities are determined to have John die in prison and

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Speaker 1: make an example of him for speaking out against the

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Speaker 1: corruption within their government agencies. Edward Snowden returns to the

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Speaker 1: publics where he argues against extradition in general, given what

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Speaker 1: happens to a lot of people if they're extradited to

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Speaker 1: the U S. And he warns that, in his opinion,

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Speaker 1: Julian Assange could be next. Here's what McAfee says happened.

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Speaker 1: There's an interview where he claims that he had been

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Speaker 1: spying on the n essay that he had sold them

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Speaker 1: a ton of computers, and he had secretly built into

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Speaker 1: those computers the capability to monitor the US government. And

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Speaker 1: this information that he claims to have attained made him

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Speaker 1: a target for Uncle Sam. And if you hear him

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Speaker 1: talk about it, he is pretty vague regarding what he

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00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: exactly found you hear him talk about it. He had

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00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: learned the stuff they don't want you to know, and

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Speaker 1: the US would go to any lengths, legal or illegal

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Speaker 1: to keep that information secret. That's what he said. Why

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00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: in the hell with the U? S? Government by computers?

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00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: From John McAfee. I think, as we've learned from John McAfee,

844
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Speaker 1: he likes to throw up smoke screens. And if he

845
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Speaker 1: did actually have something, I think it would be related

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Speaker 1: to the McAfee and a virus software. We have mentioned

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Speaker 1: this before on the show, but I don't know how

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Speaker 1: in depth we've gone into it. I'm looking at my

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Speaker 1: computer right here. I have an antivirus software installed through

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Speaker 1: our company. What that software does is it scans every

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Speaker 1: file that comes through your computer. It scans every time

852
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Speaker 1: you connect something to your computer. It scans every network

853
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: connection you ever make. It knows what is happening on

854
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Speaker 1: your computer. Does that mean it can actually open and

855
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: read all of the files, Like can it actually look

856
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: at a text document or a picture or a video.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it has that capability, especially back in

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00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: you know what, when he left antivirus software behind. But

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Speaker 1: I do believe he could have it. Is is it.

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00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: It is at least possible that he could have put

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Speaker 1: something into that innovirus software or used it in a

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Speaker 1: way that would have allowed him to see into government

863
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: owned and operated computers backdoor kind of situation. Yeah, it

864
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: is possible. It is um. He may also because we

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Speaker 1: have to remember again, by being the first of its kind,

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Speaker 1: McAfee as a business was near ubiquitous for a while,

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Speaker 1: right and they were making big contracts for a great

868
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: number of computers for a great number of services. So

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Speaker 1: it is not impossible at the very least, and that's

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Speaker 1: part of why people are running on overdrive sussing out

871
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: possible connections, some a little bit fantastical, but then others

872
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: disturbingly plausible. And right now as we're recording, the true

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00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: believers do think dead Hand has been activated. They do

874
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: think there is a kill switch. They believe that it

875
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: is oncoming, like it's it's on the way. Um. One

876
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: thing you'll find referenced is uh website called brit Ball

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Speaker 1: log Post dot biz. I saw that one. It's fun

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00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: to say, but it's uh. All it is is it's

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00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: it's like this one page where there is a countdown.

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00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: That's it like fifteen days and something as we record,

881
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: and then a couple of cryptic short messages. Something big

882
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: is coming. All the right people are scared and they

883
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: should be. And there's an ether scan dot io link

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00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: here that you can click on that I'm not going to.

885
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have clicked on it. I guess. No, you know.

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00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: Ether scan is just like it's it's just a tracker

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: for ethereum transactions in the same way that like there's

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Speaker 1: one for every currency I think for the most part.

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00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: But it is an open record of all uh ethereum exchanges. Yes,

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00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: that's the idea. It will be released through etheroryum. Wow,

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00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's oh no, it's a token. It's I'm sorry,

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00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a token. It is a token that

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00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: he that has been created called whacked whoa. Yeah, it's

894
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: it's a token called w h c k d um

895
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: and there is a supply. It gives you the supply.

896
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: There are twenty nine thousand holders and uh there have

897
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: been hundred seven transfers and you can see that whole record.

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00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: I wonder what the deals with that. If this is

899
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: literally just a scam to try to boost this currency,

900
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: or if he actually has something to do with it.

901
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: We don't know, we're not the right people. Yeah, this

902
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: website is for the right people to be scared. Shaker

903
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: fist at the sky. No, but that's like, that's the thing.

904
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: That's what's so tantalizing and fascinating about this is that

905
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: there is literally a ticking clock. Whether or not that

906
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: ticking clock is legit remains to be seen. At this point.

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00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: There have been no posthumous revelations from McAfee or as

908
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: his state. As far as the official narrative goes, that

909
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: is the end of the story. He was threatened with extradition,

910
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: the very real possibility of spending his life in the

911
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: US prison because remember seventy the charges that he was

912
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: facing could could have landed him in prison in for

913
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: thirty years, you know, not even counting any cryptocurrency stuff.

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Speaker 1: So they argue that he took the opportunity to end

915
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Speaker 1: his own life via hanging while he was alone. That's right,

916
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: he had a cellmate, the sellmate was not present. That's

917
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: another thing people point out and something that we have

918
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: to mention here. Reuter's put out a story that John

919
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: McAfee had attempted suicide in February in late February in

920
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: the same prison cell. Uh And you know who knows

921
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: that's a message from authorities. It's whether or not you

922
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: believe them that if it's true or not. There's no

923
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: video of him in that attempt. He was put on

924
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: suicide Watch mush in the same way Jeffrey Epstein was.

925
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: So it's some of the mirroring that's happening here with

926
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: how those two men were handled in prison. Is is

927
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: weirding me out right right? You know? It's it's not

928
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: enough for us to say that they're like clearly related,

929
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: it's satura or anything really definitive, but the core relations

930
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: are eerie. So that's the issue. This story continues after

931
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: the official conclusions. The government of Spain has reached its conclusion,

932
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: and they haven't shown that they're going to reopen the

933
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Speaker 1: investigation or anything like that. Theories about McAfee's death have

934
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: caught the attention of the Q and on crowd and

935
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: many people, regardless of their beliefs on Q and on,

936
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: they remain convinced that there is somewhere out there a

937
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: treasure trove of blackmail and secrets that will be released

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00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: in the near future. If such a cash exist, and

939
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: if it does get released, it will be one of

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00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: the strongest pieces of evidence for those theories surrounding his death.

941
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: But here's the tricky thing, as the devil of it all,

942
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: no matter what happens, what does or does not see

943
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: the light of day for decades to come, people are

944
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: going to be convinced that McAfee was murdered. You know,

945
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: And now we have to pass to you. I mean,

946
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: what what do you think, folks? Do you think he

947
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: took his own life? Do you think you was suicided?

948
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: How much um credence would you put in his public

949
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: statements and the statements of people who believe something other

950
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: than the official conclusion. Yeah, we'd love to hear from you.

951
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,360
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952
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,680
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955
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: can chat with all the other conspiracy realists. I bet

956
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,120
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00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,959
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