WEBVTT - UFOs, Conspiracies + NASA 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:04.600 Now really. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:13.720 Really really hello everybody. I am today. I'm excited. I'm excited. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:19.360 I'm swinging on a star, I'm happy from a fall. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:21.680 Why are you looking at me like I'm crazy? 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.840 I'm excited about an episode across three grand No, I 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:26.639 just made up a song unless you want to pay me. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.960 That was a free though. I gave that to you. Gratus. Wow. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.880 Today's episode, as you know, we get into an area 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.120 that has excited me for as long as I can remember. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.239 You and I are probably in very different positions on this, 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:45.360 and you're wrong. So this begins with our really really 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:47.720 really no really right, may I? 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:48.440 Yes? Please? 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:49.000 Yes? 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.000 So there's a house oversight here. Yes, there was that 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.680 basically called on people. The government's now saying we want 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.800 to hear from people, right, and they did this hearing 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:03.440 and some stuff was by so called experts. Yes, it 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.600 was pretty shocking. Yes about UFOs. Here's one of the 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.280 clips from that particular hearing. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.440 You say that the government is in possession of potentially 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:17.800 non human spacecraft. Based on your experience and extensive conversations 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.000 with experts, do you believe our government has made contact 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.160 with intelligent extraterrestrials? 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.840 Something I can't discuss in public setting. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.320 If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:33.319 we have the bodies of. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.160 The pilots who piloted this craft? 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.760 As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview, 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.440 biologics came with some of these recoveries. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:46.360 Yeah, were they, I guess human or non human? 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.800 Biologics non human? 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.400 And that was the assessment of people which recknowledge on 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.240 the program I talk to that are currently still on 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:53.800 the program. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:59.440 Really no, really, and I say, really yes, So we 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.360 wanted to well, I'm very excited. I'm very excited that 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:09.160 man was a was a major David Grush, major military 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:13.560 man has has he knows that he knows said. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.600 That's what we're going to talk about. That with experts 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.079 coming on a second, we're going to talk about conspiracy 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.040 theories in general and also. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:24.679 The conspiracy This is reality. Stop it, stop it. Let's 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:25.560 get right to our guests. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.280 All right, Would you like to introduce some Michelle doctor 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:33.120 Joshua because he is a member of my academic community, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:34.000 as you know. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.040 Welcome to please. Doctor Joshua Senator, a professor of electrical 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.680 and computer engineering as well as the director of the 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:46.440 Center for Space Physics at Boston University, my alma motel, 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.160 where I currently hold a doctorate myself. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.400 May I just say, before we go further, please the 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.200 difference between your doctorate and his doctorate and Laura, get 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.120 ready to bleep. This is yours is. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.320 Your total. He's got a real doctor. I don't have 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:02.440 a BS. I have a BA. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.720 My doctorate's a BA, which means a big, gigantic. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.440 Artificial You're absolutely right. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.200 Doctor Simmerd is one of sixteen aerial space experts appointed 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:16.639 by NASA charged with studying UAPs, not UFOs anymore u 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:23.440 aps unidentified aerial phenomenon and creating a roadmap to better observe, study, 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.920 and ultimately identify UFOs. Over a nine month period, the 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:32.400 team has analyzed reports gathered from existing data of classified footage, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.840 commercial data, and other sources. And I am extremely excited. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.720 This is the guy who knows. This is the guy 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.760 who's going to back me up. He's gonna tell me 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.480 who the aliens are, where they're from, why they're here. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.360 I'm excited, Ladies and gentlemen, Doctor Joshuar Seminar, how are you, sir? 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.760 I'm doing very well. Thanks for having me. I appreciate 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:51.880 it a great pleasure. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.840 And may I say, for those of you who are 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.720 only listening to us, this man is sitting in a 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.080 classroom that was built in seventeen forty two. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.120 It is there's barely I see would and by the way, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.520 the books in there look like they're from another era. Also, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.000 I'm hoping that they update them at Boston University. Right, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:08.800 you got newer stuff, You've got computers, right. 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.720 Well, we're in the process of going digital. We're taking 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:12.160 our time. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.400 It's overrated technology, believe me. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.960 So thank you for coming on, because this should have 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.120 been a big earth shattering moment that the government finally 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.640 says we're going to address these issues. We're going to 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.840 put it out there for the public to hear, possibly 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.479 for the first time, what the claims are by some 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.680 pretty valid and acclaimed folks. Correct. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:35.880 That is my understanding. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:41.040 Yes, that people who have real credentials, both as scientists, 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:45.320 as researchers, as military people, as pilots. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.880 And what have you. There's a there's a whole range. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.599 Of people who have started to come forth with their 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:58.880 stories about their encounters or knowledge of extraterrestrial either technology 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:03.159 or beings or or what have it. So, doctor Seminar, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.320 what do you got Are they here? Are they among us? 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.600 How many of these are absolutely verifiably true? 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.680 Well, we could back up to the whole UAP panel. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.799 So this is I think you may have an idea 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.800 as to why we've rebranded this from UFO, for there's 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.520 a few reasons. First of all, well, there's two letters 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.280 that differ from UFO, right, and one of them is anomalist, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.560 and so we're interested in all manner of anomalous objects, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.200 even though it might be appearing in the ocean and 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.880 or walking among us for that matter, not necessarily flying objects. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.920 And then the others is object and you know, we're 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.440 interested in phenomena which may or may not correspond with 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:54.000 solid objects. And so UAP is meant to sort of 0:05:54.240 --> 0:06:00.240 relieve some of the stigma. It doesn't imply extraterrestrial. And I, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.039 for one, was very excited to get the invitation to 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.800 join this panel purely for the reason that I want 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.120 to join a group of people who will follow the 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:14.880 scientific method and determine if there really is extraordinary evidence 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.880 of something out there. So that's kind of my context 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.480 behind the thing. And it's a really interesting panel. As 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:27.000 you mentioned, it's a it's a collection of scientists, technologists, 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.640 aerospace professionals charged with, as you say, creating a roadmap 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.760 for what data is needed going forward. But we've also 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.200 we also managed to look at some of the cases 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.599 that are unclassified and claim to be extraordinary. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:46.159 And anything, anything provocative, anything jump out at you and go, oh, 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:47.000 this could be a thing. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:54.160 Yeah, the no, not yet. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.560 This man is clearly he knows nothing. He's not the 0:06:58.600 --> 0:06:59.960 guy you've booked the wrong. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.600 It's funny, you know, funny. This is a proof when 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.640 you do conspiracy theories, there's confirmation bias, which means that 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.600 you then just look for stuff that reinforces your belief system. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:13.960 What I was going to say on the cover up, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:14.920 he's in on the cover. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.120 That's all I want to say, just we'll keep doing 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:19.960 the interview, is if he's just a person. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:22.880 He's in on the cover. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.040 And that's one of the conspiracies about UFOs. 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.800 But I'm gonna I'm going to talk to Buston University 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.640 because they are employing when you talk. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.440 About when you talk about the scientific method, you just 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.160 kind of threw that out there and it kind of 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.120 dribbled out and went by everybody So in reading and 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:41.840 prepping for this, I got a million pages and I 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.160 look back at all of the sightings and the pilots 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.440 incredible And even that session the Pentagon, a spokesman for 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.280 the Pentagon came out and said the guy, uh rush, Yeah, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.120 we don't buy into that. We're not agreeing with what 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.240 he said, which is either a cover up or it 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.960 does not exist. But how many of these sightings or 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.600 some that you investigated, are ever dealt with with the 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.480 scientific method because the problem is most people want to 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.880 believe in aliens who report this stuff. There's a lot 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.920 of stuff erroneous out there, so there's so much floating 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.120 as far as they're like Jason said, the cover it's 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.240 got to be a government cover up because it must 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.280 be because these guys come out and say they see it. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.320 Have any of these sightings been verified by the scientific 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.560 method where you put it through a rigorous study and 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.040 say this looks like there's actually evidence or is there 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.760 no evidence as of today on what they're. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:40.040 Saying, Yeah, well, the scientific method, maybe that's something we 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.880 should spend a few seconds on here. I mean, this 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.400 is originated with Renedi a kart in the seventeenth century, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.240 and just to remind everybody, you know, you are free 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.720 to conjecture any hypothesis, no matter how outrageous, whether it 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:59.120 be space aliens, a religious belief, the flying spaghetti monster, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:00.880 all of that is fine. But then you look at 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.720 the evidence and if the evidence supports it, it doesn't 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.720 mean it's true. It means that you get to keep going, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.320 and if the evidence refutes it, you got to move 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.679 on to another hypothesis. And hopefully we three and other 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.720 people might be able to at least agree on that 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.080 framework for investigating UAP. 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.440 You agree with that, I'm still lessening the minute I 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.000 heard him poo pooling the flying spaghetti monster. I'm already 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.640 breaks your heart. I'm not sure breaks your heart, but yes, yeah, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:28.840 so we agree, we agree? 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.040 All right, Yeah, let's start with that. And uh okay. 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:38.480 The problem with the congressional hearing is the same problem 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.640 that we've had in the one hundred year history of 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:45.520 people claiming that there are visitors from space. That is, 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:50.040 whenever there is conclusive data around an event and we 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.040 are able to do the analysis, and I can talk 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.040 a little bit about what that means, there's always a 0:09:55.240 --> 0:10:02.199 ordinary or non extraordinary explanation and all of the claims 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.080 that come in that have no data associated with them, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.640 we just simply can't evaluate. So when we talk about 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:15.240 I mean, especially David Grush's, you know, claims, we absolutely 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:20.160 have a right, as they supposedly were pursuing at that hearing, 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:25.040 we have a right to see the data and his testimony. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.800 You know, if you look at his testimony, any probing 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.400 question asked to him was met with, I can't answer 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.240 that here, implying that you know, there's some sort of 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.160 a secure setting we need to go to in order 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:41.000 to hear the evidence. He did not personally see any 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.880 biological evidence of right of space aliens. He did not 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:51.000 even apparently see any documents or go out with any documents. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.600 I mean, the overarching problem with that hearing is that 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.880 there was nothing new, all right, So they instead of 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:01.400 coming up with five or six primary witnesses, right the 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:06.000 ones that these three witnesses that were there keep attesting exist. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.080 Instead of doing that, they gather together three people whose 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:16.200 accounts and testimonies we've already heard many many times, Ryan 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:20.160 Graves and Dave Grush. Their their accounts are our second hand. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.880 It doesn't mean they shouldn't be investigated but it means 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.960 we need to hear from the primary witnesses. David Fraver, Well, 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.840 he was a primary witness, so he and another pilot, 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.360 Alex Dietrich, saw something anomalous for sure. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.559 And that shouldn't that's the tic tac video that we're 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:36.439 familiar tick tach. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.040 Yeah, it's not a video, though, there's it's it's right now. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.920 It's it's simply a narrative that they've conveyed to us 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.479 from their experience. It was there were subsequent subsequent observations 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.920 by the radar systems aboard the aircraft carrier of objects 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.160 way off in the distance that may or may not 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.800 be related to what they saw, so everybody all automatically 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:59.319 made that connection. So basically we're still missing the primary witnesses, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:04.160 and that was very disappointing. I didn't really expect that. 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.040 I thought there was going to be something different happening 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:06.600 at this hearing. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.360 So I just want to understand. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.720 I have seen, both online and on various news reports, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.520 what seems to be some sort of. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.000 Scope that would be on a jet. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:24.520 Fighter of them following something that is looks like a 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.720 tic tac shaped thing, and they're narrating what they're seeing 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:29.520 as they go. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.079 Are you do you know the piece I'm talking about? 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.840 Yeah, I do, I know, I know. I think the 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.080 one you're referring to, it might be called nicknamed go Fast. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.600 So that is not that's not the one that these 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.680 guys are describing, because that one has some sort of 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.400 visual representation of what their dal representation. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:47.080 In fact, in the you know, in terms of the 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.960 one that I just referenced, there actually is on the 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.760 display screen sufficient information to determine the trajectory and put 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.840 some boundaries on the velocity of the object. And so, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:59.600 you know, that was one of the events we looked 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.520 into our on our panel. If you go back into 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.199 that video, you'll see a lot of numbers on the 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.080 screen and it's sort of public domain knowledge what those are, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.160 their sort of elevations and angles to the target. They 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.360 have a way of computing range to the target. The 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.080 data on the screen was was from a sensor that 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:22.800 combines radar and infrared imaging in one For good reasons, 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.680 we can't know exactly how it works. I tend to yeah, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.840 I tend to believe that the government is acting in 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.160 the best interests of the nation in keeping a lot 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.120 of their methods so under wraps, and that's probably why 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.000 it was it took so long to release this stuff. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.160 But you know, so one thing we could talk about 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.560 here deal in terms of some physics, if you is 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.920 the is the parallax effect. Right, So if you see 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.760 an object off in the distance, your brain is automatically 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.480 going to sort of place it at some range. And 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.080 that's just sort of natural to us. So on that 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.000 particular one that I'm thinking of, most people's brains are 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.719 going to place it as skimming above the ocean at 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.040 some great distance. And you know, you can play a 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.800 game like that on your own. You could sort of 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.480 close one eye and because a camera is sort of 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.760 a one eyed sensor, yeah right, and you know, you 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.600 could put your finger in front, you know, a foot 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.480 in front of your eye and move it back and forth. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.120 And there's a couple possible explanations that your brain could 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.040 go after. If you had no idea what that object was, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.200 you might think it was an enormous finger moving along 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.200 the wall behind you. That is the parallax effect. If 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.200 you actually know the range to the object, then you 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.360 can actually say something about its true velocity and its 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.960 true dimensions. You know, We were able to do some 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:47.840 of that with these videos, and it doesn't rule them 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:53.400 out of being UAPs, of being adversarial technologies, of being 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.680 something of interest to look at. None of that has 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.160 ruled out. All we are saying is that we're not 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:04.480 observing an object moving with strong evidence or even reasonable 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.880 evidence that it's moving at an extraordinary velocity or exhibiting 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.800 unusual like characteristics. 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.880 So in other words, it's the claims. The claims don't 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.040 hold up based on that. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.440 Correct, Yeah, the claims don't hold up based on that. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.720 And it's you know, to the extent that sometimes the 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.920 objects look like they're moving in one direction, but you know, 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.240 you've got to realize you're on a sensor platform that's 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.800 moving at four hundred and fifty miles per hour, and 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.680 so our brain doesn't process that situation very well, and 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.040 you know, we are going to think about it as 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.640 some sort of helicopter imaging something moving very rapidly in 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.400 the distance, when in reality, if it's a long ways 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.760 away from the background, then the you know, my little 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.440 finger parallax effect takes over and gives you the impression 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.280 of extraordinary velocity based on what you've assumed about about 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:52.720 the object. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.600 Everybody's doing the finger thing in the other room. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.880 Everybody's yeah, is there any in that particular video? Is 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.760 there any visible or knowable means of propulsion? 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.400 Right? Some people like to think of that as being 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.840 a part of the extraordinary evidence, right, because it's how 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.960 could it be moving this way without any evidence of propulsion. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.800 In fact, I think in all of those videos the 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.640 object was cooler than the ocean behind it. So you'll 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.800 see there's a contrast in those videos where the you know, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.960 sometimes the background ocean structure is dark and the object 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.920 you're looking at is light, and that in the settings 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.800 on those screens, that's an indication that the object is 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:41.360 actually cooler. Okay, So contrary to taking that as evidence that, 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.280 you know, there's some amazing thing going on, some anti 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.160 gravity propulsion or something like that that doesn't produce any 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.920 thermal signature, it's really, in my view the other way around. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.640 That sort of points me towards collecting the evidence that 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.120 might be able to explain it as a drifting object. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.960 You know, we have high winds, speeds over the ocean, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.000 and again these objects are not sort of down at 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.560 the ocean's surface. They're drifting up at thirteen thousand fifteen 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:12.679 thousand feet, something relatively synonymous with the aircraft's altitude, and 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.200 so they are very likely drifting in a wind speed 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.119 that's sort of It could be as high as two 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.720 hundred miles per hour something like that. And again there 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.639 could be there could be some extraordinary form of propulsion 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.080 on these on these objects. The shape is it's difficult 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.360 to say that the actual shape is a tic tac 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.959 because this object is occupying, you know, just a pixel 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.440 or two. I don't I don't actually have that information, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.320 but it certainly looks to me like a spot size 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.359 that's almost a point source in the distance. But that's 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.679 just that you're speculation. Maybe it is an oval shape. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.280 Maybe it is a pro Paine tank shaped object that's 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.040 that's moving. 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.200 You know what. I just don't want to break this. Boys, 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.440 you're not You're not gonna change them, you know, can 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.680 I when I saw that hearing here is. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.000 Can I tell you something? You've got? Damn thing is. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.800 Okay here for sure? So so the hearing, I watched 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.800 the hearing, and there's two things, and I'm I'm curious 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.360 to get your take on this. Number one, what comes 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.160 out of me because I'm a cynic is follow the money. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.240 So I go, oh wow, look at that increased military spending. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.800 That that's one of the things that I heard as 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.040 far as allocation, And the other thing is far secrecy 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.040 with the government. I start thinking, what if China, what 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.240 if India? What if another country has technology that we 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.600 don't have yet it's doing something and that's what we're seeing, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.560 but they don't want to admit it. Do either of 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.280 those those things resonate with you? Yes? 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.480 So yeah, that could be okay. So the you know, 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.240 the Pentagon form of the All Domain nominally Resolution Office ARROW, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:54.760 and I know the director, uh, doctor Sean Kirkpatrick quite well. 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.280 I think that this is a not a huge expenditure 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.639 related to other things the Department of Defense spends money on. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.240 It would be hard press for me to think that 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:10.680 globally in the Defense Department there's some kind of incentive 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:14.080 to raise their budget based on UAP and so, you know, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.680 I don't think that's going on. I know that one 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.080 of their charges is in fact, in fact this is 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.640 this is their main charge is to try and identify 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:27.439 unknown technology that might be a risk to us in 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.280 the US. And obviously there's you know, governments in the world, 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.360 in certain cleptocracies and so forth, where there's just an 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.320 easy path to funneling ten billion dollars towards developing some 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.840 new technology, and so we do have to watch out 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.880 for that. I would, I would say there's one other 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.760 place where the kind of is some personal benefit or 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.560 at least some job security to be gained by keeping 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.840 things in an unexplained category. There's money to be made 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:01.800 by by things being spooky, right, and you know that's 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.600 that is independent of uh, you know, kind of where 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.000 the information is coming from. But I you know, I 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.720 would you know, there are certain associates of some of 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.320 the witnesses that really seem to be working in that category. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:21.200 You know, even after the scientific method bears evidence against 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:26.199 an extraordinary explanation, they keep going with no, this is 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.880 definitely a UFO, and and and you know certain percentage 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.399 of people really like to go along with that. I again, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.080 this is why I joined this panel, because I actually 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:39.760 want to see the extraordinary evidence. Carl Sagan said one time. 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.760 You know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So I think 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.080 that states it very well. You can have your extraordinary claim, 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.720 but you know, sometimes the explanation isn't really isn't really 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.080 what you want to hear, And you have to contend 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.320 with that somehow, especially if you get locked into believing 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:08.760 a certain interpretation for a long period of time, given. 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.119 The fact that in your professional capacity you have not 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.240 yet seen anything that is definitive for you in any way, 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:22.159 do you personally believe that some of this phenomena is legit? 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:23.359 Do you? 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:25.040 I guess it's a two part question. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.440 Do you believe that there is an intelligent alien life 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:32.400 form at all? And b that they in some way 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:36.000 may be circling this planet, be engaged with this planet 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.800 in any way, shape or form. 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.280 Yeah, I there's for a variety of reasons. I'm really 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:47.560 really skeptical about all that. I feel that, you know, 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.840 one problem people have when they start talking about intelligent 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:53.080 life elsewhere. First of all, it's very likely that it 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.280 would have to be elsewhere, as in another star, another 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:01.440 stellar planetary system, another galaxy, you know, not not launching 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.119 space vehicles from Neptune or anything like that. People kind 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:09.480 of immediately run into this problem because the question of 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.880 is their intelligent life elsewhere is not really well posed? 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:17.600 Is implies and now now has no proper definition in physics. 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.919 You know, everything that you're observing right now happened in 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:25.840 the past. So things would have had to have survived 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.120 a journey where they are able to sort of keep 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.320 living or appropriate or do something that allows the intelligence 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.520 to come through the galaxies for thirty giga years or 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:40.960