Speaker 1: Now really.
Speaker 2: Really really hello everybody. I am today. I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I'm swinging on a star, I'm happy from a fall.
Speaker 2: Why are you looking at me like I'm crazy?
Speaker 3: I'm excited about an episode across three grand No, I
Speaker 3: just made up a song unless you want to pay me.
Speaker 2: That was a free though. I gave that to you. Gratus. Wow.
Speaker 3: Today's episode, as you know, we get into an area
Speaker 3: that has excited me for as long as I can remember.
Speaker 3: You and I are probably in very different positions on this,
Speaker 3: and you're wrong. So this begins with our really really
Speaker 3: really no really right, may I?
Speaker 1: Yes? Please?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So there's a house oversight here. Yes, there was that
Speaker 1: basically called on people. The government's now saying we want
Speaker 1: to hear from people, right, and they did this hearing
Speaker 1: and some stuff was by so called experts. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was pretty shocking. Yes about UFOs. Here's one of the
Speaker 1: clips from that particular hearing.
Speaker 4: You say that the government is in possession of potentially
Speaker 4: non human spacecraft. Based on your experience and extensive conversations
Speaker 4: with experts, do you believe our government has made contact
Speaker 4: with intelligent extraterrestrials?
Speaker 5: Something I can't discuss in public setting.
Speaker 4: If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do
Speaker 4: we have the bodies of.
Speaker 2: The pilots who piloted this craft?
Speaker 5: As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview,
Speaker 5: biologics came with some of these recoveries.
Speaker 4: Yeah, were they, I guess human or non human?
Speaker 2: Biologics non human?
Speaker 5: And that was the assessment of people which recknowledge on
Speaker 5: the program I talk to that are currently still on
Speaker 5: the program.
Speaker 3: Really no, really, and I say, really yes, So we
Speaker 3: wanted to well, I'm very excited. I'm very excited that
Speaker 3: man was a was a major David Grush, major military
Speaker 3: man has has he knows that he knows said.
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to talk about. That with experts
Speaker 1: coming on a second, we're going to talk about conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories in general and also.
Speaker 3: The conspiracy This is reality. Stop it, stop it. Let's
Speaker 3: get right to our guests.
Speaker 2: All right, Would you like to introduce some Michelle doctor
Speaker 2: Joshua because he is a member of my academic community,
Speaker 2: as you know.
Speaker 3: Welcome to please. Doctor Joshua Senator, a professor of electrical
Speaker 3: and computer engineering as well as the director of the
Speaker 3: Center for Space Physics at Boston University, my alma motel,
Speaker 3: where I currently hold a doctorate myself.
Speaker 1: May I just say, before we go further, please the
Speaker 1: difference between your doctorate and his doctorate and Laura, get
Speaker 1: ready to bleep. This is yours is.
Speaker 2: Your total. He's got a real doctor. I don't have
Speaker 2: a BS. I have a BA.
Speaker 1: My doctorate's a BA, which means a big, gigantic.
Speaker 2: Artificial You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: Doctor Simmerd is one of sixteen aerial space experts appointed
Speaker 3: by NASA charged with studying UAPs, not UFOs anymore u
Speaker 3: aps unidentified aerial phenomenon and creating a roadmap to better observe, study,
Speaker 3: and ultimately identify UFOs. Over a nine month period, the
Speaker 3: team has analyzed reports gathered from existing data of classified footage,
Speaker 3: commercial data, and other sources. And I am extremely excited.
Speaker 3: This is the guy who knows. This is the guy
Speaker 3: who's going to back me up. He's gonna tell me
Speaker 3: who the aliens are, where they're from, why they're here.
Speaker 3: I'm excited, Ladies and gentlemen, Doctor Joshuar Seminar, how are you, sir?
Speaker 6: I'm doing very well. Thanks for having me. I appreciate
Speaker 6: it a great pleasure.
Speaker 3: And may I say, for those of you who are
Speaker 3: only listening to us, this man is sitting in a
Speaker 3: classroom that was built in seventeen forty two.
Speaker 1: It is there's barely I see would and by the way,
Speaker 1: the books in there look like they're from another era. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they update them at Boston University. Right,
Speaker 1: you got newer stuff, You've got computers, right.
Speaker 6: Well, we're in the process of going digital. We're taking
Speaker 6: our time.
Speaker 2: It's overrated technology, believe me.
Speaker 1: So thank you for coming on, because this should have
Speaker 1: been a big earth shattering moment that the government finally
Speaker 1: says we're going to address these issues. We're going to
Speaker 1: put it out there for the public to hear, possibly
Speaker 1: for the first time, what the claims are by some
Speaker 1: pretty valid and acclaimed folks. Correct.
Speaker 2: That is my understanding.
Speaker 3: Yes, that people who have real credentials, both as scientists,
Speaker 3: as researchers, as military people, as pilots.
Speaker 2: And what have you. There's a there's a whole range.
Speaker 3: Of people who have started to come forth with their
Speaker 3: stories about their encounters or knowledge of extraterrestrial either technology
Speaker 3: or beings or or what have it. So, doctor Seminar,
Speaker 3: what do you got Are they here? Are they among us?
Speaker 3: How many of these are absolutely verifiably true?
Speaker 6: Well, we could back up to the whole UAP panel.
Speaker 6: So this is I think you may have an idea
Speaker 6: as to why we've rebranded this from UFO, for there's
Speaker 6: a few reasons. First of all, well, there's two letters
Speaker 6: that differ from UFO, right, and one of them is anomalist,
Speaker 6: and so we're interested in all manner of anomalous objects,
Speaker 6: even though it might be appearing in the ocean and
Speaker 6: or walking among us for that matter, not necessarily flying objects.
Speaker 6: And then the others is object and you know, we're
Speaker 6: interested in phenomena which may or may not correspond with
Speaker 6: solid objects. And so UAP is meant to sort of
Speaker 6: relieve some of the stigma. It doesn't imply extraterrestrial. And I,
Speaker 6: for one, was very excited to get the invitation to
Speaker 6: join this panel purely for the reason that I want
Speaker 6: to join a group of people who will follow the
Speaker 6: scientific method and determine if there really is extraordinary evidence
Speaker 6: of something out there. So that's kind of my context
Speaker 6: behind the thing. And it's a really interesting panel. As
Speaker 6: you mentioned, it's a it's a collection of scientists, technologists,
Speaker 6: aerospace professionals charged with, as you say, creating a roadmap
Speaker 6: for what data is needed going forward. But we've also
Speaker 6: we also managed to look at some of the cases
Speaker 6: that are unclassified and claim to be extraordinary.
Speaker 3: And anything, anything provocative, anything jump out at you and go, oh,
Speaker 3: this could be a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the no, not yet.
Speaker 2: This man is clearly he knows nothing. He's not the
Speaker 2: guy you've booked the wrong.
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, funny. This is a proof when
Speaker 1: you do conspiracy theories, there's confirmation bias, which means that
Speaker 1: you then just look for stuff that reinforces your belief system.
Speaker 2: What I was going to say on the cover up,
Speaker 2: he's in on the cover.
Speaker 3: That's all I want to say, just we'll keep doing
Speaker 3: the interview, is if he's just a person.
Speaker 2: He's in on the cover.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the conspiracies about UFOs.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna I'm going to talk to Buston University
Speaker 3: because they are employing when you talk.
Speaker 1: About when you talk about the scientific method, you just
Speaker 1: kind of threw that out there and it kind of
Speaker 1: dribbled out and went by everybody So in reading and
Speaker 1: prepping for this, I got a million pages and I
Speaker 1: look back at all of the sightings and the pilots
Speaker 1: incredible And even that session the Pentagon, a spokesman for
Speaker 1: the Pentagon came out and said the guy, uh rush, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't buy into that. We're not agreeing with what
Speaker 1: he said, which is either a cover up or it
Speaker 1: does not exist. But how many of these sightings or
Speaker 1: some that you investigated, are ever dealt with with the
Speaker 1: scientific method because the problem is most people want to
Speaker 1: believe in aliens who report this stuff. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff erroneous out there, so there's so much floating
Speaker 1: as far as they're like Jason said, the cover it's
Speaker 1: got to be a government cover up because it must
Speaker 1: be because these guys come out and say they see it.
Speaker 1: Have any of these sightings been verified by the scientific
Speaker 1: method where you put it through a rigorous study and
Speaker 1: say this looks like there's actually evidence or is there
Speaker 1: no evidence as of today on what they're.
Speaker 6: Saying, Yeah, well, the scientific method, maybe that's something we
Speaker 6: should spend a few seconds on here. I mean, this
Speaker 6: is originated with Renedi a kart in the seventeenth century,
Speaker 6: and just to remind everybody, you know, you are free
Speaker 6: to conjecture any hypothesis, no matter how outrageous, whether it
Speaker 6: be space aliens, a religious belief, the flying spaghetti monster,
Speaker 6: all of that is fine. But then you look at
Speaker 6: the evidence and if the evidence supports it, it doesn't
Speaker 6: mean it's true. It means that you get to keep going,
Speaker 6: and if the evidence refutes it, you got to move
Speaker 6: on to another hypothesis. And hopefully we three and other
Speaker 6: people might be able to at least agree on that
Speaker 6: framework for investigating UAP.
Speaker 3: You agree with that, I'm still lessening the minute I
Speaker 3: heard him poo pooling the flying spaghetti monster. I'm already
Speaker 3: breaks your heart. I'm not sure breaks your heart, but yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: so we agree, we agree?
Speaker 6: All right, Yeah, let's start with that. And uh okay.
Speaker 6: The problem with the congressional hearing is the same problem
Speaker 6: that we've had in the one hundred year history of
Speaker 6: people claiming that there are visitors from space. That is,
Speaker 6: whenever there is conclusive data around an event and we
Speaker 6: are able to do the analysis, and I can talk
Speaker 6: a little bit about what that means, there's always a
Speaker 6: ordinary or non extraordinary explanation and all of the claims
Speaker 6: that come in that have no data associated with them,
Speaker 6: we just simply can't evaluate. So when we talk about
Speaker 6: I mean, especially David Grush's, you know, claims, we absolutely
Speaker 6: have a right, as they supposedly were pursuing at that hearing,
Speaker 6: we have a right to see the data and his testimony.
Speaker 6: You know, if you look at his testimony, any probing
Speaker 6: question asked to him was met with, I can't answer
Speaker 6: that here, implying that you know, there's some sort of
Speaker 6: a secure setting we need to go to in order
Speaker 6: to hear the evidence. He did not personally see any
Speaker 6: biological evidence of right of space aliens. He did not
Speaker 6: even apparently see any documents or go out with any documents.
Speaker 6: I mean, the overarching problem with that hearing is that
Speaker 6: there was nothing new, all right, So they instead of
Speaker 6: coming up with five or six primary witnesses, right the
Speaker 6: ones that these three witnesses that were there keep attesting exist.
Speaker 6: Instead of doing that, they gather together three people whose
Speaker 6: accounts and testimonies we've already heard many many times, Ryan
Speaker 6: Graves and Dave Grush. Their their accounts are our second hand.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean they shouldn't be investigated but it means
Speaker 6: we need to hear from the primary witnesses. David Fraver, Well,
Speaker 6: he was a primary witness, so he and another pilot,
Speaker 6: Alex Dietrich, saw something anomalous for sure.
Speaker 2: And that shouldn't that's the tic tac video that we're
Speaker 2: familiar tick tach.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not a video, though, there's it's it's right now.
Speaker 6: It's it's simply a narrative that they've conveyed to us
Speaker 6: from their experience. It was there were subsequent subsequent observations
Speaker 6: by the radar systems aboard the aircraft carrier of objects
Speaker 6: way off in the distance that may or may not
Speaker 6: be related to what they saw, so everybody all automatically
Speaker 6: made that connection. So basically we're still missing the primary witnesses,
Speaker 6: and that was very disappointing. I didn't really expect that.
Speaker 6: I thought there was going to be something different happening
Speaker 6: at this hearing.
Speaker 2: So I just want to understand.
Speaker 3: I have seen, both online and on various news reports,
Speaker 3: what seems to be some sort of.
Speaker 2: Scope that would be on a jet.
Speaker 3: Fighter of them following something that is looks like a
Speaker 3: tic tac shaped thing, and they're narrating what they're seeing
Speaker 3: as they go.
Speaker 2: Are you do you know the piece I'm talking about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do, I know, I know. I think the
Speaker 6: one you're referring to, it might be called nicknamed go Fast.
Speaker 3: So that is not that's not the one that these
Speaker 3: guys are describing, because that one has some sort of
Speaker 3: visual representation of what their dal representation.
Speaker 6: In fact, in the you know, in terms of the
Speaker 6: one that I just referenced, there actually is on the
Speaker 6: display screen sufficient information to determine the trajectory and put
Speaker 6: some boundaries on the velocity of the object. And so,
Speaker 6: you know, that was one of the events we looked
Speaker 6: into our on our panel. If you go back into
Speaker 6: that video, you'll see a lot of numbers on the
Speaker 6: screen and it's sort of public domain knowledge what those are,
Speaker 6: their sort of elevations and angles to the target. They
Speaker 6: have a way of computing range to the target. The
Speaker 6: data on the screen was was from a sensor that
Speaker 6: combines radar and infrared imaging in one For good reasons,
Speaker 6: we can't know exactly how it works. I tend to yeah,
Speaker 6: I tend to believe that the government is acting in
Speaker 6: the best interests of the nation in keeping a lot
Speaker 6: of their methods so under wraps, and that's probably why
Speaker 6: it was it took so long to release this stuff.
Speaker 6: But you know, so one thing we could talk about
Speaker 6: here deal in terms of some physics, if you is
Speaker 6: the is the parallax effect. Right, So if you see
Speaker 6: an object off in the distance, your brain is automatically
Speaker 6: going to sort of place it at some range. And
Speaker 6: that's just sort of natural to us. So on that
Speaker 6: particular one that I'm thinking of, most people's brains are
Speaker 6: going to place it as skimming above the ocean at
Speaker 6: some great distance. And you know, you can play a
Speaker 6: game like that on your own. You could sort of
Speaker 6: close one eye and because a camera is sort of
Speaker 6: a one eyed sensor, yeah right, and you know, you
Speaker 6: could put your finger in front, you know, a foot
Speaker 6: in front of your eye and move it back and forth.
Speaker 6: And there's a couple possible explanations that your brain could
Speaker 6: go after. If you had no idea what that object was,
Speaker 6: you might think it was an enormous finger moving along
Speaker 6: the wall behind you. That is the parallax effect. If
Speaker 6: you actually know the range to the object, then you
Speaker 6: can actually say something about its true velocity and its
Speaker 6: true dimensions. You know, We were able to do some
Speaker 6: of that with these videos, and it doesn't rule them
Speaker 6: out of being UAPs, of being adversarial technologies, of being
Speaker 6: something of interest to look at. None of that has
Speaker 6: ruled out. All we are saying is that we're not
Speaker 6: observing an object moving with strong evidence or even reasonable
Speaker 6: evidence that it's moving at an extraordinary velocity or exhibiting
Speaker 6: unusual like characteristics.
Speaker 1: So in other words, it's the claims. The claims don't
Speaker 1: hold up based on that.
Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, the claims don't hold up based on that.
Speaker 6: And it's you know, to the extent that sometimes the
Speaker 6: objects look like they're moving in one direction, but you know,
Speaker 6: you've got to realize you're on a sensor platform that's
Speaker 6: moving at four hundred and fifty miles per hour, and
Speaker 6: so our brain doesn't process that situation very well, and
Speaker 6: you know, we are going to think about it as
Speaker 6: some sort of helicopter imaging something moving very rapidly in
Speaker 6: the distance, when in reality, if it's a long ways
Speaker 6: away from the background, then the you know, my little
Speaker 6: finger parallax effect takes over and gives you the impression
Speaker 6: of extraordinary velocity based on what you've assumed about about
Speaker 6: the object.
Speaker 1: Everybody's doing the finger thing in the other room.
Speaker 3: Everybody's yeah, is there any in that particular video? Is
Speaker 3: there any visible or knowable means of propulsion?
Speaker 6: Right? Some people like to think of that as being
Speaker 6: a part of the extraordinary evidence, right, because it's how
Speaker 6: could it be moving this way without any evidence of propulsion.
Speaker 6: In fact, I think in all of those videos the
Speaker 6: object was cooler than the ocean behind it. So you'll
Speaker 6: see there's a contrast in those videos where the you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes the background ocean structure is dark and the object
Speaker 6: you're looking at is light, and that in the settings
Speaker 6: on those screens, that's an indication that the object is
Speaker 6: actually cooler. Okay, So contrary to taking that as evidence that,
Speaker 6: you know, there's some amazing thing going on, some anti
Speaker 6: gravity propulsion or something like that that doesn't produce any
Speaker 6: thermal signature, it's really, in my view the other way around.
Speaker 6: That sort of points me towards collecting the evidence that
Speaker 6: might be able to explain it as a drifting object.
Speaker 6: You know, we have high winds, speeds over the ocean,
Speaker 6: and again these objects are not sort of down at
Speaker 6: the ocean's surface. They're drifting up at thirteen thousand fifteen
Speaker 6: thousand feet, something relatively synonymous with the aircraft's altitude, and
Speaker 6: so they are very likely drifting in a wind speed
Speaker 6: that's sort of It could be as high as two
Speaker 6: hundred miles per hour something like that. And again there
Speaker 6: could be there could be some extraordinary form of propulsion
Speaker 6: on these on these objects. The shape is it's difficult
Speaker 6: to say that the actual shape is a tic tac
Speaker 6: because this object is occupying, you know, just a pixel
Speaker 6: or two. I don't I don't actually have that information,
Speaker 6: but it certainly looks to me like a spot size
Speaker 6: that's almost a point source in the distance. But that's
Speaker 6: just that you're speculation. Maybe it is an oval shape.
Speaker 6: Maybe it is a pro Paine tank shaped object that's
Speaker 6: that's moving.
Speaker 1: You know what. I just don't want to break this. Boys,
Speaker 1: you're not You're not gonna change them, you know, can
Speaker 1: I when I saw that hearing here is.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you something? You've got? Damn thing is.
Speaker 1: Okay here for sure? So so the hearing, I watched
Speaker 1: the hearing, and there's two things, and I'm I'm curious
Speaker 1: to get your take on this. Number one, what comes
Speaker 1: out of me because I'm a cynic is follow the money.
Speaker 1: So I go, oh wow, look at that increased military spending.
Speaker 1: That that's one of the things that I heard as
Speaker 1: far as allocation, And the other thing is far secrecy
Speaker 1: with the government. I start thinking, what if China, what
Speaker 1: if India? What if another country has technology that we
Speaker 1: don't have yet it's doing something and that's what we're seeing,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to admit it. Do either of
Speaker 1: those those things resonate with you? Yes?
Speaker 6: So yeah, that could be okay. So the you know,
Speaker 6: the Pentagon form of the All Domain nominally Resolution Office ARROW,
Speaker 6: and I know the director, uh, doctor Sean Kirkpatrick quite well.
Speaker 6: I think that this is a not a huge expenditure
Speaker 6: related to other things the Department of Defense spends money on.
Speaker 6: It would be hard press for me to think that
Speaker 6: globally in the Defense Department there's some kind of incentive
Speaker 6: to raise their budget based on UAP and so, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't think that's going on. I know that one
Speaker 6: of their charges is in fact, in fact this is
Speaker 6: this is their main charge is to try and identify
Speaker 6: unknown technology that might be a risk to us in
Speaker 6: the US. And obviously there's you know, governments in the world,
Speaker 6: in certain cleptocracies and so forth, where there's just an
Speaker 6: easy path to funneling ten billion dollars towards developing some
Speaker 6: new technology, and so we do have to watch out
Speaker 6: for that. I would, I would say there's one other
Speaker 6: place where the kind of is some personal benefit or
Speaker 6: at least some job security to be gained by keeping
Speaker 6: things in an unexplained category. There's money to be made
Speaker 6: by by things being spooky, right, and you know that's
Speaker 6: that is independent of uh, you know, kind of where
Speaker 6: the information is coming from. But I you know, I
Speaker 6: would you know, there are certain associates of some of
Speaker 6: the witnesses that really seem to be working in that category.
Speaker 6: You know, even after the scientific method bears evidence against
Speaker 6: an extraordinary explanation, they keep going with no, this is
Speaker 6: definitely a UFO, and and and you know certain percentage
Speaker 6: of people really like to go along with that. I again,
Speaker 6: this is why I joined this panel, because I actually
Speaker 6: want to see the extraordinary evidence. Carl Sagan said one time.
Speaker 6: You know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So I think
Speaker 6: that states it very well. You can have your extraordinary claim,
Speaker 6: but you know, sometimes the explanation isn't really isn't really
Speaker 6: what you want to hear, And you have to contend
Speaker 6: with that somehow, especially if you get locked into believing
Speaker 6: a certain interpretation for a long period of time, given.
Speaker 3: The fact that in your professional capacity you have not
Speaker 3: yet seen anything that is definitive for you in any way,
Speaker 3: do you personally believe that some of this phenomena is legit?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: I guess it's a two part question.
Speaker 3: Do you believe that there is an intelligent alien life
Speaker 3: form at all? And b that they in some way
Speaker 3: may be circling this planet, be engaged with this planet
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I there's for a variety of reasons. I'm really
Speaker 6: really skeptical about all that. I feel that, you know,
Speaker 6: one problem people have when they start talking about intelligent
Speaker 6: life elsewhere. First of all, it's very likely that it
Speaker 6: would have to be elsewhere, as in another star, another
Speaker 6: stellar planetary system, another galaxy, you know, not not launching
Speaker 6: space vehicles from Neptune or anything like that. People kind
Speaker 6: of immediately run into this problem because the question of
Speaker 6: is their intelligent life elsewhere is not really well posed?
Speaker 6: Is implies and now now has no proper definition in physics.
Speaker 6: You know, everything that you're observing right now happened in
Speaker 6: the past. So things would have had to have survived
Speaker 6: a journey where they are able to sort of keep
Speaker 6: living or appropriate or do something that allows the intelligence
Speaker 6: to come through the galaxies for thirty giga years or
Speaker 6: something like that to reach our planet. Another thing I
Speaker 6: would mention is that I think UAP. I think we
Speaker 6: need to be hold fast to the notion that this
Speaker 6: transcends what UFO was defined as, and that I would
Speaker 6: go so far as to say that we really should
Speaker 6: separate these objects that we're observing that we're trying to
Speaker 6: understand near the Earth's surface. Efforts like Abby Lob's effort
Speaker 6: at Harvard to identify artifacts in space that might be
Speaker 6: associated with extraterrestrial intelligence. I think they're really different things,
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 1: The big question for me is if they're so technologically advanced,
Speaker 1: what did the always crash they managed to get here?
Speaker 1: And then what does it how how we're getting close.
Speaker 2: Boy? And then this is like when you you.
Speaker 3: I went back and listened to one of our shows
Speaker 3: were you accused me of being a terrible driver, and
Speaker 3: I and there will be an episode where I take
Speaker 3: you to task for that because I've seen I've driven
Speaker 3: with you and talk about the kettle calling the pop.
Speaker 1: How many extent you answer?
Speaker 2: First?
Speaker 1: Scientific? How many accidents have you one? Scientific method? Okay,
Speaker 1: scientific method? How many of you had to? Exactly so, doctor,
Speaker 1: If you had your judge who has the worst driving
Speaker 1: the scientific method, it would be the one with dimes
Speaker 1: and dry man.
Speaker 2: Listen, he just said everything happening now is in the past.
Speaker 2: Don't live in the past. Not one of the top world.
Speaker 1: You live in the world.
Speaker 2: You keep calling me your best friend who.
Speaker 1: Tickets have gotten accidents.
Speaker 2: On all crash first of all.
Speaker 3: So but that will bring me to so do you
Speaker 3: do you believe that the seemingly.
Speaker 1: Even laughing, how dumb that wasn't It's like.
Speaker 2: The band, don't the band laugh? That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3: He's not going to get Do you feel that that
Speaker 3: that anybody that we would consider credible who has testified
Speaker 3: to having some sort of encounter do you think that
Speaker 3: they are trying to explain something they've experienced and this
Speaker 3: is the only thing their brain can can categorize it
Speaker 3: as or do you think that they are being disingenuous
Speaker 3: or or what's your explanation for seemingly reputable p people
Speaker 3: coming forward with with stories like this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I hate to be the cold hearted scientists, but
Speaker 6: it's the only way to get to get through this
Speaker 6: because I have full respect for the for these witnesses
Speaker 6: right and for the service to their country, and so
Speaker 6: I am not going to be able to say very
Speaker 6: much about their motivations. I really have no idea whatsoever.
Speaker 6: I think that it's the safest position to take to
Speaker 6: just demand that we we we have to do an
Speaker 6: initial assessment of the credibility because, as you can imagine,
Speaker 6: I and other people on this panel, we get, you know,
Speaker 6: tens hundreds of emails from people telling us about their
Speaker 6: their UFO encounters. We do have to do a triage
Speaker 6: right to see what should we follow up further? Sure,
Speaker 6: and you know, I would say all of the three
Speaker 6: witnesses that testified before Congress are deserving of that follow up.
Speaker 6: So that's fine. I had no problem with that. But
Speaker 6: if we if we cannot any real hard evidence about
Speaker 6: these events or other events, and we're just simply at
Speaker 6: an impacts, you need proof, got to have the proof,
Speaker 6: Gotta have something you can you can look at. So
Speaker 6: it can be indirect evidence too. That's so this is
Speaker 6: actually why another reason why I am happy to have
Speaker 6: been involved with this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 6: I work in remote sense. I look at exotic phenomena
Speaker 6: in the plasma environment around the planet, and I look
Speaker 6: at that from a scientific perspective, and you know, as
Speaker 6: a as a nature lover and all of that, and
Speaker 6: I really enjoy getting data that is essentially represents various
Speaker 6: projections of the four dimensional space time environment within which
Speaker 6: we live and try to you know, apply mathematics, linear
Speaker 6: algebra and estimation theory and so forth to try and
Speaker 6: reconstruct what that thing was doing or what it looked
Speaker 6: like in its environment. And it's three dimensional or four
Speaker 6: dimensional environment.
Speaker 2: And so what is that fourth dimension? By the way,
Speaker 2: is that time?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So by the way, space time. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's a whole other topic for another podcast, I guess.
Speaker 6: But I mean it's on its way out. I mean
Speaker 6: there's real problems with with the space time paradigm.
Speaker 2: I've been saying that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, twenty years ago, I said the space time
Speaker 3: So because.
Speaker 1: You're here and we want to use like that's going
Speaker 1: to the whole animal. Because you study the honest fhere
Speaker 1: and what's going on there? By the way, could you
Speaker 1: explain to your parents what you're doing, Because when you
Speaker 1: told your parents what you're what you're going for, did
Speaker 1: they go he's doing I honestly of study? They I mean,
Speaker 1: can they can they brag to other people that have
Speaker 1: no clue? They just say, be you and he's a
Speaker 1: professor and he's brilliant.
Speaker 6: That's an excellent question. And the answer to the question
Speaker 6: is that you need to come up with a pithy
Speaker 6: expression to describe what you do. Otherwise people are just lost.
Speaker 1: So what do you say? So what's the headline?
Speaker 6: I study space weather?
Speaker 1: Oh, noise, it's gonna be hot tomorrow.
Speaker 6: It's going to be hot and not much to breathe
Speaker 6: out there.
Speaker 1: By the way, do you know, first, if I crap
Speaker 1: is going to rain down to are you the first
Speaker 1: guy to go?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: I got? I got an alert? I got then honestly
Speaker 1: the only I honest fhere alert in history. And I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. So we should be watching where you're moving,
Speaker 1: Like if you're going to Portugal, we should all go
Speaker 1: to portug.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right exactly. I mean, we do keep an
Speaker 6: eye you know, the Sun is the commander in chief
Speaker 6: of the whole thing, right, We're just spot this tiny
Speaker 6: speck of rock orbiting near the Sun. We we live
Speaker 6: within the outer atmosphere of the Sun, and the Sun
Speaker 6: could take us out in a moment's notice, and so
Speaker 6: uh we do in the space weather community, you know,
Speaker 6: we do sort of use how the Sun's solar wind
Speaker 6: is interacting with the atmosphere as a means of understanding,
Speaker 6: you know, whether we're in trouble, whether any of our
Speaker 6: technologies or societal elements that we rely on are in trouble.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you can, you can.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think I would have anywhere to run to.
Speaker 6: That's a problem with you when you're dealing with this area.
Speaker 6: I mean, we're either all toast or all fine.
Speaker 1: Saying you've got ten seconds before you got ten seconds
Speaker 1: to worry about it.
Speaker 3: And I know we we should be worried about what
Speaker 3: is happening climate, you know, with our climate and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But from from your viewpoint, is there a greater concern
Speaker 3: today than there was, say fifty years ago, about something
Speaker 3: that we are doing to contribute to our own.
Speaker 2: Ability we survive?
Speaker 6: Are we pivoting on to the climate.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean that is part of part of
Speaker 3: your world, is it not?
Speaker 6: I mean it is part of my Well, it's definitely
Speaker 6: part of something I'm interested in. I'm interested in the
Speaker 6: connections between that area of research and the space environment absolutely,
Speaker 6: you know. I guess my personal comment would be that
Speaker 6: climate change is happening so rapidly that we shouldn't worry
Speaker 6: about it really because there's nothing to be done. The
Speaker 6: time scales are too long, right the all the way.
Speaker 1: And I just want to rephrase, you're basically we have
Speaker 1: an expert on this show. This is the big moment,
Speaker 1: but where we say should be worried about climate change?
Speaker 1: And he's basically the same, go buy all your luck
Speaker 1: my head and the sunscreen SPF two forty, you know,
Speaker 1: and and good luck with your Yeah, and yeah, the
Speaker 1: face says we are so gone already.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, wow. What what the other part to that,
Speaker 6: which I sort of uh left out?
Speaker 2: Let me Yeah, The other part, by all means put
Speaker 2: in the other book.
Speaker 6: The other part is that humans have proven to be
Speaker 6: amazingly adaptive creatures, and so that's going to be the solution.
Speaker 6: We're going to adapt. But for the time being, you know,
Speaker 6: for your day to day life. I mean ultimately, you know,
Speaker 6: there are problems with the maximum temperature, yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: being one hundred and twenty degrees for months on end
Speaker 6: in Phoenix. Yeah, you know, imagine that trend continuing at
Speaker 6: the same increment for five more years. It's simply we're
Speaker 6: going to have to respond to it. And it's actually
Speaker 6: better to be level headed and think about what that
Speaker 6: means than to just sort of worry about it or
Speaker 6: what are you.
Speaker 1: Taking time talking to us for? Come up with an explanation?
Speaker 1: Fix it? Can I just sand where flock you used
Speaker 1: to say the ozone hole? We got rockets, we got
Speaker 1: san wrap.
Speaker 2: Fix it? Yeah right, yeah, please?
Speaker 6: No, oh yeah, you want to invest in real estate
Speaker 6: and you know Saskatoon and maybe yellow Knife.
Speaker 3: Knowing that, my personal feeling is the aliens are gonna help.
Speaker 3: That's what he's not That's what he can't say because
Speaker 3: it doesn't pass muster with the scientific methods. So let
Speaker 3: me tell you something. The aliens are here for benevolent reasons.
Speaker 3: If they wanted to hurt us, they would have heard
Speaker 3: us already, and they're gonna help us. They're going to
Speaker 3: fix things.
Speaker 1: You're also the guy who does the lottery scratch off
Speaker 1: the thinks you got a million dollar tick. So anything
Speaker 1: else you can either alert us to or warn us about.
Speaker 3: Let me ask it not only alerts, but would would
Speaker 3: you Well you've already answered this question. You would be
Speaker 3: I would imagine just on the human level, but also
Speaker 3: as a scientist. If if tomorrow there was a piece
Speaker 3: of evidence that stood up to this scientific review that
Speaker 3: that would be thrilling for you.
Speaker 6: Yes, that would be absolutely thrilling for me. It would
Speaker 6: be It would absolutely upend all of the research programs
Speaker 6: going on at NASA in the biology. I mean, it
Speaker 6: would just upend everything.
Speaker 3: And are you convinced that that that area, things like
Speaker 3: Area fifty one there's nothing there?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I honestly think conspiracy theories give people too
Speaker 6: much credit. It takes a lot of energy to keep
Speaker 6: a conspiracy theory going.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, so Area fifty one your point, it'd
Speaker 1: be out there.
Speaker 6: I think it would be out there already, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: And and you know why why would they be visiting
Speaker 6: that god forsaken area of the world anyway? I don't know.
Speaker 1: The way.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 6: You know, it's not about the state it's about.
Speaker 2: They were sure for Vegas. They were all they overshot.
Speaker 1: You're told you to look Morty. You know, they were.
Speaker 3: Trying to see Wayne. They were trying to see Wayne Newton.
Speaker 3: Then they got a little permissioned they they went down
Speaker 3: in the wrong area.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And by the way, with conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about that in a moment.
Speaker 1: People don't change their mind. They're dug in on conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Does that bother you because you have to work with
Speaker 1: You're working on this panel with Mark Kelley and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other people in this NASA NASA panel to
Speaker 1: try and validate itself. How do you sit there with
Speaker 1: people who you know are out of their minds giving
Speaker 1: you recounting stories of having their their AINUS probe and
Speaker 1: their genitals and whatever they were beamed up with their husband.
Speaker 1: How do you sit there and go, I'm going to
Speaker 1: wait till the end, and then I'm going to say
Speaker 1: where's the proof, and that's it's going to be over.
Speaker 1: But you have to sit through and read all of
Speaker 1: those anecdotal accounts.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, But mostly it's I respond with sympathy. I
Speaker 6: mean that you know, I I Yeah, that's a charitable
Speaker 6: sort of sort of guy. I mean, I'm willing to
Speaker 6: to listen. I'm willing to listen.
Speaker 2: Does it?
Speaker 6: Then? I go home and I watched SNL clips of
Speaker 6: Kate McKinnon's UFOs.
Speaker 2: The Best the Best?
Speaker 3: Do you does it concern you at all that that
Speaker 3: there will be people in this world who think you're
Speaker 3: in on the conspiracy because of the way you talk
Speaker 3: about it and the fact that you there will be
Speaker 3: people that think you're in on the cover up?
Speaker 2: Does that give you pause at all? I mean, did
Speaker 2: you did you think about the impact on your life
Speaker 2: when you when you took this assignment? I?
Speaker 6: No, I didn't. I honestly, this is gonna sound uh,
Speaker 6: I don't know, ecocentric or something like that, but I
Speaker 6: I firmly believe that if you stay on the high ground,
Speaker 6: you're you're okay. I mean I I and I'll get
Speaker 6: sort of emails with reports and so forth, and if
Speaker 6: it's reasonably short and they seem to know what they're
Speaker 6: talking about, I like to read it and consider it.
Speaker 6: But you know, oftentimes you get something that is technical
Speaker 6: but you know, links me to a three hundred and
Speaker 6: twenty slide. You know page slide deck of you know
Speaker 6: that they just have been really obsessed with this in
Speaker 6: a way that I don't think is healthy.
Speaker 1: It's concerning in today's world. And by the way, turn
Speaker 1: on the TV. You've got so many competing conspiracy theories today.
Speaker 1: I mean, just watch any show and you can hear
Speaker 1: ten todays more than there ever was before.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the thing that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 3: Is that what is so amazing is that right, wrong
Speaker 3: or indifferent? Brush, you know, on national television in front
Speaker 3: of Congress says there are absolutely we have biological.
Speaker 2: Remains of aliens. Certainly we have alien technology.
Speaker 3: Nobody blame that was That was a one day, two
Speaker 3: day story. There was so much, there's so much crazy
Speaker 3: stuff about conspiracy theories and what's that people in the
Speaker 3: in the in the chat sphere that there's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and any of there are maybe there are no, no,
Speaker 3: it's enough.
Speaker 1: Well, good luck listen, good luck will you if you
Speaker 1: can you make us one of your.
Speaker 3: Listen, put me at the I was gonna say put
Speaker 3: me at the top. It's Alexander. Put me at the
Speaker 3: top of the email chain. If you find something, just
Speaker 3: nod your head once you know, you don't have to
Speaker 3: send a long letter. If you got the proof, a
Speaker 3: picture will do something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything, anything like an alien cowering in your bedroom, I'll.
Speaker 2: Be very excited, and I would be very very excited.
Speaker 1: I was gardening. Of all people I found. Remember, the
Speaker 1: best answer today though, is why would they land at
Speaker 1: Harry fifty of all the places your summer? Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Luck on the panels nicely, keep me you strong, by gosh.
Speaker 1: Get along with all the other scientists. And you're a
Speaker 1: very nice man. By the way, you really did change
Speaker 1: my mind when you said I'm sincere with it. It
Speaker 1: really called me out here. We are joking. We shouldn't joke.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I made fun of your beliefs.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Lucky's laughing, Thank you, Darky Stummer.
Speaker 3: Okay, so, first of all, he's absolutely right in that
Speaker 3: there even I who am deeply entrenched and excited about
Speaker 3: what people are seeing and things that I have seen
Speaker 3: over the all over YouTube. There was a phenomenon in
Speaker 3: Jerusalem about ten years ago, and there's massive amounts of
Speaker 3: videotape on this because so many people videotape that at
Speaker 3: the same time, there was a thing over the Dome
Speaker 3: of the Rock in Jerusalem where there seems to be
Speaker 3: some massive object in the sky that's dark. Several lights
Speaker 3: drop down from it. They zing around in different directions.
Speaker 3: Then they hover over the mosque at the top of
Speaker 3: the Dome of the Rock, and then two of them
Speaker 3: zing up to the ship, and then two more of
Speaker 3: them just kind of zing away like you can't even
Speaker 3: imagine the speed of the zingaway. The object in the
Speaker 3: sky lights up temporarily and then fades out. And this
Speaker 3: was shot by over one hundred people from different angles simultaneously.
Speaker 3: Because they're all seeing the same thing at the same time.
Speaker 3: No one has ever been able to say, oh, you
Speaker 3: know what that was. That was a it's not a
Speaker 3: weather balloon.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't. It wasn't you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: The Pakistani's testing a new bative technology. It just wasn't
Speaker 3: any of that stuff. There are there are things we
Speaker 3: see and even he said, the tic tac thing, we
Speaker 3: don't know, we don't know what that was. We don't
Speaker 3: have any No, there's no there is. I absolutely heard
Speaker 3: what he said. Now you're saying you saw something when
Speaker 3: you kid.
Speaker 1: I was with my grandparents in Philadelphia and I saw
Speaker 1: this thing that looked like you know, the do they
Speaker 1: still have salt peppersak? I don't know why I'm asking
Speaker 1: all salton peppershakers at the fair. You know the thing
Speaker 1: that turns and that That's what it looked like. It
Speaker 1: was going that way over my I was outside by
Speaker 1: myself looking giants. Cigar colors aren't going around around, but
Speaker 1: I was seven, so who knows.
Speaker 3: And I was in the Grand Canyon about three years ago.
Speaker 3: And the Grand Canyon is amazing. We did an eight
Speaker 3: day trip and the sky there because it's one of
Speaker 3: the few places in the country that is truly dark sky.
Speaker 3: There's no real source of artificial light, so the sky
Speaker 3: is amazing. The night sky is you can see galaxy clusters.
Speaker 3: You can you can actually see the International Space Station
Speaker 3: in the orbit.
Speaker 2: Yeah from there, Yeah, you can see it.
Speaker 3: It's like a it's like a bone shape thing and
Speaker 3: it's moving and you can see you can see sometimes
Speaker 3: if a satellite is big enough, it is so clear
Speaker 3: that you can see them. So one night I wake
Speaker 3: up it's about three in the morning, and you know,
Speaker 3: you're looking at the night sky, and I see what
Speaker 3: I think are two satellites moving across the sky, and
Speaker 3: then they stop, and then they meet, and then they
Speaker 3: move away from each other, and then they go back
Speaker 3: in the other direction.
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, there's one of three possibilities here.
Speaker 3: One I just saw some sort of alien technology. Two,
Speaker 3: I'm dreaming, and three is I'm wishful thinking. There are
Speaker 3: so many stars in the sky. It's late, I'm tired.
Speaker 3: Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me. There's all
Speaker 3: kind I say something. Can they take me back with them?
Speaker 3: Because it sucks her?
Speaker 2: Let me ask you that. So you saw Close Encounters, right,
Speaker 2: I love?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: To the end of the movie, the little alien kids
Speaker 3: come out and go go with us, go with us
Speaker 3: to Richard Drivis, and he goes, I'm going, now they
Speaker 3: come to you. Granted you have two lovely grown sons,
Speaker 3: you have your beautiful wife.
Speaker 2: Tommy, I'm going, do you get on do you get
Speaker 2: on the ship? You don't get on the ship?
Speaker 1: You know, I was taught as a hun don't talk
Speaker 1: to stranger. So something comes out that looks like an
Speaker 1: alien thing with green and ahead and come with me,
Speaker 1: Come with me. I go, yeah, you're going right for
Speaker 1: my general.
Speaker 2: What are you going to see in the rest of
Speaker 2: your What do you got left? Twenty? What are you
Speaker 2: going to see here in.
Speaker 1: My backyard? There's not a lot of excitement. I don't
Speaker 1: need excitement right now. I don't need surprises like predictable
Speaker 1: days that end well, that ends well, okay.
Speaker 3: I would basically say, do you have smoked salmon? If
Speaker 3: you have some salmon, I'll get a comfortable chair, big screen,
Speaker 3: keep you work, have Netflix?
Speaker 1: What's the rug? What's the rug? Right? Where my Where
Speaker 1: are my race?
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't go, Are you crazy? Laurie? Would you go?
Speaker 2: Laurie wouldn't go?
Speaker 6: David?
Speaker 1: Would you go?
Speaker 2: David?
Speaker 1: David google him?
Speaker 2: Would you get on the would you get on the
Speaker 2: ship and go?
Speaker 6: Not now?
Speaker 7: But when I was younger, I actually ran towards what
Speaker 7: I thought it was a UFO.
Speaker 1: Really what walla only? But Dave, wait, wait, we got
Speaker 1: to explore this for a second. So David tell us
Speaker 1: more about the UFO.
Speaker 7: What age you were and why you I I was
Speaker 7: I was in college. We were in this Marshy area.
Speaker 7: There was this weird light that was moving in strange ways.
Speaker 7: We were running towards it, and and and my friend
Speaker 7: stopped me and he's like, wait a minute, they might
Speaker 7: have dugged us.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't care. I have to know.
Speaker 7: And we kept running towards the light. And guess what.
Speaker 7: It wasn't just us going towards the light. We encountered
Speaker 7: on a bluff, a mountain bluff, a seal, and it
Speaker 7: was going towards the light as well.
Speaker 1: Wow, and give us the end of the story. Did
Speaker 1: the seal go? What happened?
Speaker 7: Yes, we ran past the seal and we went towards
Speaker 7: the light.
Speaker 2: And it turned out it was a helicopter. It was
Speaker 2: a helicopter.
Speaker 7: It was a helicopter. There was an emergency. They were
Speaker 7: doing a land of the meta vacuum.
Speaker 1: Did you get it?
Speaker 2: No, they didn't. They didn't want me in a helicopter.
Speaker 2: That would be my thing. I'd rud and runted the alien.
Speaker 2: They go, no, we weren't calling you, we were George.
Speaker 1: We're here to save the seal.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, wow sea. So they only wanted to
Speaker 2: higher life for you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. One thing we learned here David can
Speaker 1: not run the seal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty amazing he said, college, Oh that was college.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like twenty on drugs.
Speaker 3: Said I'm going to mention, here's the thing about the
Speaker 3: UFOs that make me go. Well, so you'd have to
Speaker 3: travel Imagine the velocity you have to travel because he said,
Speaker 3: they're not in our solar system, so they'd have to
Speaker 3: be coming from another solar system, maybe another galaxy. So
Speaker 3: somebody I was listening to one guy who a physicist, said,
Speaker 3: I can imagine creating a propulsion system that gets you
Speaker 3: up to light speed, double light speed, triple light speed.
Speaker 2: He said, what I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: Is how do you stop well, because if you tap
Speaker 3: the brakes at that speed, everything on the inside of
Speaker 3: that vehicle is basically vaporized.
Speaker 2: How do you feather it down?
Speaker 1: Not to mention that you're always bringing the craft in
Speaker 1: because you went through a brake pads you need? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you from our speed?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: How do you do?
Speaker 3: Impossible? And Jerry Seinfeld made a rate observation one time.
Speaker 3: He said, in the movies with the humanoid aliens, they're
Speaker 3: always in the same outfit.
Speaker 2: How do they what's the day they all get together?
Speaker 2: You know? And not for ready we got good.
Speaker 3: They're all Steve Jobs, black T shirt, black jeans, When
Speaker 3: do they when do they.
Speaker 2: Decide on the planetary outfit? That was Jerry's.
Speaker 1: Observation, because it's easy. Let me talk about this for
Speaker 1: one second. The conspiracy theory thing of which you are.
Speaker 1: You're a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Yes, you are about about UFOs in a way.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I I happen to believe that there is intelligent life
Speaker 3: in our universe. I happen to believe that. I think
Speaker 3: that some of these phenomena are legitimate.
Speaker 1: And what conspiracy theory is about is people taking complex
Speaker 1: issues and trying to get some simplistic answers. What's it's
Speaker 1: what talk radio does, whether you talk about immigration, whatever
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the conspiracy theory is about and therefore
Speaker 3: somebody is not telling us the truth. But doesn't that
Speaker 3: a components there's an enemy component, yeah, but they don't
Speaker 3: believe it. There's a community component to it. You want
Speaker 3: to feel in control, you want to feel certain, you
Speaker 3: want to feel close to those similar to us, and
Speaker 3: the enemy doesn't believe it, So then that's why you dig.
Speaker 2: In the enemy of the dummy.
Speaker 1: And it's about exclusion. But let me ask you, there's
Speaker 1: some real unexplained phenomenon. Yes, And I want to run
Speaker 1: by you real quick and see what your take is
Speaker 1: on each one. And then we'll go to google hoime
Speaker 1: and see what we did wrong, what we did right.
Speaker 1: The towels hum? Have you heard it about that? The witch?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, cows and towas In New Mexico there's a hum
Speaker 1: about two percent of the resident I have heard that?
Speaker 1: Will it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What do you think of it?
Speaker 2: I think it's a natural phenomena. There's a thing in.
Speaker 3: I believe it is Kangaroo Island in Australia. It's a
Speaker 3: thing called the Remarkable Rocks. And these are giant boulders
Speaker 3: that got spit up onto the bluffs over the ocean,
Speaker 3: and sand and wind and time have carved some holes,
Speaker 3: some rather large holes through them, and at certain times
Speaker 3: when the wind blows the right way, the rocks whistle
Speaker 3: and hum and they and people come from all over
Speaker 3: the world to hear it. And I think that there
Speaker 3: could be something like that somewhere in Dallas, where there
Speaker 3: is either something underground that is creating a rumble.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot. And by the way, when I pulled this the
Speaker 1: other day. Yeah, it just came up. There were three
Speaker 1: more big Foot shootings yesterday. Yes, believe in it Bigfoot No,
Speaker 1: But I neither because like bones, carcass anything, nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: intuition in six tents, you think that exists.
Speaker 3: I do think intuition in sixth sense my take on
Speaker 3: a lot of because you know, I used to do
Speaker 3: as an as a magician, I used to do a
Speaker 3: mind reading act, but I would always say I'm not
Speaker 3: reading minds. But I do think that there are people
Speaker 3: I think thought. You know, our brains work off of electricity.
Speaker 3: Electricity has power, power has waves to it, and I
Speaker 3: think there are people that are potentially sensitive enough to.
Speaker 2: Kick up on some of that.
Speaker 1: And you know that I kind of do believe in
Speaker 1: because if you're more empathetic and you kind of quiet down, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't get a person's five ghosts.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 3: This is one I'm on the fence with because I
Speaker 3: have been in some places where I have not seen
Speaker 3: anything but felt things where I went.
Speaker 2: That's odd.
Speaker 3: But in the in in the area of ghosts, to me,
Speaker 3: most of the people I know that have claimed to
Speaker 3: have had an experience with ghosts were told they were
Speaker 3: in a place where something had happened, something was going on,
Speaker 3: and other people had seen things, and so I feel
Speaker 3: like your system is primed if you you know, if
Speaker 3: you remember like watching paranormal activity, when the door, when
Speaker 3: the bedroom door was open, you're looking down that hall
Speaker 3: and you think you're seeing things because you know something's
Speaker 3: gonna come from that, and so you project in a
Speaker 3: way and I and I don't say no, but I have.
Speaker 2: I am. I am still very much on the.
Speaker 1: Well. And that ties into psycho Yeah, people who can
Speaker 1: talk to the dead, it's yes, No.
Speaker 2: People who talk to the dead. I will say this.
Speaker 3: I have had a couple of experiences with psychics who
Speaker 3: new things that I don't know how they knew because
Speaker 3: it was pre Seinfeld, it was pre you know, Wikipedia
Speaker 3: and the Googles. They got stuff really right that was
Speaker 3: not like it was from left field, and they said
Speaker 3: things that turned out to prove true that I can't
Speaker 3: explain how they would pick up on something like that
Speaker 3: or you know, but I do think that that is
Speaker 3: an area where where people you do a whole thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the psychic think drives me crazy because a the
Speaker 1: premise that my father died and this psychic's talking to him,
Speaker 1: but he's it's spoon. It's spoon important to do something
Speaker 1: spoon and I my friend apparently like to play my father.
Speaker 2: Is there a word with a G that means anything?
Speaker 1: I mean, really, that's what my dog's doing. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to him, but I just want to give
Speaker 1: them initials and utensils. So that's number one. So that
Speaker 1: that that to me, has always been kind of a
Speaker 1: bsy thing. And they pray on people, you know.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: But I used to do a radio psychic thing, and
Speaker 1: my percentages were high because all I would say, and
Speaker 1: I think I did this with Lauren, what you produce?
Speaker 1: The phones would light up because people want a psychic reading,
Speaker 1: and all I would want is their first name and
Speaker 1: their aide. So if they call up and you say,
Speaker 1: my I'm Vivian and I'm fifty five years old, right
Speaker 1: at fifty five, if they have parents who are living,
Speaker 1: there's an illness, okay, there may be the end of job.
Speaker 1: There's stuff that happened, right, there's twenty four. There's a relationship.
Speaker 2: Recently had an illness or a pain. Maybe it's a
Speaker 2: pain or yeah, whatever, So you kind.
Speaker 1: Of can tie in by agents. What's the psychic thing.
Speaker 1: People go, oh my god, and you're you're doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just don't like the psychics pray on people
Speaker 1: and they take the money, you know.
Speaker 2: So I've never called the psychic hotline.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. There's a whole documentary on her that
Speaker 1: was great heart.
Speaker 2: There's millions of them.
Speaker 1: But the main one and I forget her name, the
Speaker 1: big psychics in name the psychic who had the Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it. There was a big one, Cleve. I
Speaker 1: think there was a document It was an amazing documentary.
Speaker 1: David Google Hind what do you got?
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me, tell me you saw a ufon and
Speaker 3: the time that we did to.
Speaker 2: Do this show.
Speaker 7: A couple of quick things up front for folks who
Speaker 7: are interested in seeing that tic tac video that we
Speaker 7: referenced that we're going to put that in the show notes.
Speaker 7: Also the Kate McKinnon SNL schedule down there for that,
Speaker 7: because that.
Speaker 2: That is fun.
Speaker 7: One one quick thing that I wanted to mention is
Speaker 7: the Twilight Zone had a very good episode on this.
Speaker 2: I was called how to Serve Man, Serve Man?
Speaker 7: Yes, Yes, And the aliens of course come to Earth
Speaker 7: and they give man a book and they're.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, in an alien language.
Speaker 7: Yeah, in an alien language, and they finally translated and like, oh,
Speaker 7: it's to serve man. The aliens are there to help us,
Speaker 7: and unfortunately they discover that.
Speaker 2: It's a cookbook. Right, so yeah, that's so good. But
Speaker 2: here's one thing, as far as people.
Speaker 7: Who are interested in science and understanding aliens, Professor Senator,
Speaker 7: he said that it would take thirty giga years to
Speaker 7: get here.
Speaker 2: Now, what is a giga year?
Speaker 7: And a giga year is actually one billion years, so
Speaker 7: he was saying that would take thirty billion years to
Speaker 7: get here from a planetary source.
Speaker 3: Right, the progress if you'll leave on Monday, right in
Speaker 3: traffic before three?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, the problem is the universe is only between
Speaker 7: thirteen and fourteen giga years, so the math.
Speaker 2: Doesn't work out.
Speaker 1: So good playing us.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm just saying he's saying it's impossible, and there
Speaker 7: you go.
Speaker 3: But here's here's what I don't understand based on that statement.
Speaker 2: Now, how did they know how these things travel?
Speaker 3: They're saying, if we did it, it would take thirty
Speaker 3: giga years, But how did that? Maybe there's a there's
Speaker 3: a guy kind of like he's a ufologist named doctor
Speaker 3: Stephen Greer and his conjecture, his his what he talks
Speaker 3: about is that UFOs actually travel and traverse space on
Speaker 3: a proportion of consciousness. That there there isn't a that
Speaker 3: they can manifest something in the physical world by projecting
Speaker 3: it through consciousness, and that the consciousness can be sent
Speaker 3: regardless of time and space.
Speaker 2: So it's an interesting theory.
Speaker 3: And and in his documentaries he claims to have encounters
Speaker 3: with these conscious beings.
Speaker 1: And we're going to take a rebreak, we come back,
Speaker 1: do recap and final thought. Let's it's time for a
Speaker 1: recap and final thought. So the recap is there is
Speaker 1: no proof based.
Speaker 2: On according to doctor Joshua Seminar, who is our expert.
Speaker 2: He's our expert today. There could be another expert tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead. That's number one, number two, finish your
Speaker 1: final conspiracy theories. There was a big yawn when this happened,
Speaker 1: when his testimony happened, because he said, it's all basically
Speaker 1: the same players. Yes, the government is suspect, but my
Speaker 1: real big thought is when he when you just said
Speaker 1: about the consciousness, that they travel through consciousness, we got
Speaker 1: to figure out some kind of BS thing that we
Speaker 1: can come up with it. Nobody can disapprove where we
Speaker 1: can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2: That's that's your vital thought.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah about if you sell me on the
Speaker 1: consciousness traveling thing, then that's what I want to come
Speaker 1: up with. And by the way, I'm wondering, when they
Speaker 1: do show up, what state do you think they would
Speaker 1: go to? And what are we going to do with Florida.
Speaker 2: Is going to be it's always Florida or Arizona for
Speaker 2: some that's where they're going to go. Well, that seems
Speaker 2: to be Florida Arizona. And I think, David, you can
Speaker 2: look this up. Where are the most UFO sightings reported
Speaker 2: within the United States. I think it's either Florida or Arizona.
Speaker 1: And then you got a religion thing happening, because if
Speaker 1: it's a green guy, first of all, forty percent of
Speaker 1: public's going to say it's Andy Serkis because he's he
Speaker 1: plays the apes, he plays, it's Andy Serkis. With religion,
Speaker 1: Maiden's God's image, there goes the Bible, the tarra Ran.
Speaker 2: I've never understood that.
Speaker 3: I've never understood that theory that it would totally negate
Speaker 3: the idea of a creator.
Speaker 1: You read the bio, because it's not in any of
Speaker 1: the work.
Speaker 3: All right, every sighting so far that anyone has ever
Speaker 3: talked about. Are these alien grays that are incredibly humanoid,
Speaker 3: incredibly humanoid. So why wouldn't this so?
Speaker 2: How is that not new? They have a body with
Speaker 2: a head.
Speaker 3: With eyes, with nose slits, a tiny little mouth, no
Speaker 3: ears for some reason. But and they have spindly arms
Speaker 3: and legs, and their skin is gray. Is the average
Speaker 3: description of an alien.
Speaker 1: And God made that. God made them mean his likeness.
Speaker 2: Sure, well, that's not that different from us.
Speaker 1: It's different from us. It's from another plasure.
Speaker 2: You look a little great. It's not going to synagogue,
Speaker 2: it's not going to church.
Speaker 7: I have the states with the most UFO sightings cumulative,
Speaker 7: tell me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: According to my vision dot org, which apparently has been
Speaker 7: monitoring this in nineteen seventy four, the third most is
Speaker 7: Washington State, second most Florida, Florida representing and number one California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very big. All right, right, then I'm going
Speaker 2: to see one.
Speaker 1: As a final word, Jason, what what would what would
Speaker 1: make it at the public definitively say I believe in aliens?
Speaker 2: What would it be if any Kardashian married one.
Speaker 1: That would be that would be it would Kardashian wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then we believe in Alen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not sure they haven't.
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody.
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