WEBVTT - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, Iso Joe & Antoine Walker react to Thunder beating the Pacers to go 2-2! 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:19.360 The volume. Oka see did what they needed to do. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.880 They came to Indiana and got a game. They're going 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.200 back to OKC tiede two two thanks to a one 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.960 eleven one oh four victory. Thank you, guys for joining 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.240 us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.400 Uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner co hosts Liberty City's own 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:34.920 Benga Ring of Fame otter Ree. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.840 He's the pro bowler, All Pro. 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Guys, he had two free throws. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.679 The last the last eight minutes, last, excuse me, the 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.000 last four minutes he had eight free throws, so he 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.280 was ten of ten for tonight. Jalen Williams was eleven 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.040 of eleven. He had thirty five points on twelve twenty 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.040 four shooting. Jaylen Williams was eight of eighteen eleven eleven 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.359 from the free throw line, chet six and six from 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:27.240 the free throw line. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.080 But I thought the guy that kept a minute, just 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:30.680 like Matthern did the other night. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.840 It was Alex Caruso. He was sensational the night. He 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.480 didn't let them he did. Uh. And don't get me wrong, 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.440 Obie Topping played well. They got what thirty five sixteen 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.320 thirty thirty six points? Uh yeah, thirty six points from 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.160 their bench. But Carusoe was tremendous early. Joelyn Marvels started 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.640 you and then Twine, we're gonna kick it off to you. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.919 Joe lem ask your question. Did the Thunder win this game? 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.320 Or did the Pacers lose it? 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.320 Now? The Thunder wonning, Man, that is a great game. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.320 It was kind of Teeter Titer pretty much throughout the 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.720 whole game, and the Thunder I scored him a bout 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.760 fourteen and that fourth quarter that was the taiale of 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:04.560 the game right there. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:06.919 Hey, look, I ain't gonna tell you. I know, Lie, 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:07.920 I was nervous over here. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.320 I was watching the game for OKC because I felt, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.919 you know, especially toward the end of their third to one, 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.800 you know, Indiana took the momentum, you know what I mean. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.760 I felt like I said, man, they gonna end up 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.960 closing these board out because OKC looked like they had 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.639 got a little fatigued down the stretch. What they did 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.720 to the third and in the fourth quarter, they just 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.160 made big play out the big play, and the Pacers 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.920 seemed like they had a hard time scoring and the paces, 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:36.120 I mean, the OKAC ended up pulling out. Well, honestly, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.640 I'm gonna be be honest, and we gotta be honest fellas, 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.360 you know we're doing this. You saw the MVP Shay 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.560 take this game to the next level fourth quarter. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.000 It's the reason why he got to the award. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.760 We looked for those type of performances to go on 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.200 the road and close the game out, and he did 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.160 what he had to do, and that's what he did. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.080 He did even this series up, and he did what 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.360 he had to do. But also too, you know, you 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.760 gotta think about it when you look at with Indiana, 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:02.800 and don't get me wrong, with Indiana has been great 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.920 all year. I love Indiana. I actually have. I think 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.600 Indiana can win this series. But when you're doing it 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.520 by committee and makes it hard when you don't really 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.440 have that guy. I know, we know, we talk about 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.320 Tyler Harbert. You know Tyler a lot and think that 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.760 he can get it done. But they do it by committee. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.280 They don't do it, you know, okay, see is for 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.000 the young as they are and the way they play. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.520 Shaye has to play great and deliver for them down 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:28.039 the stretch for. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:28.520 Them to win. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.240 We all know that no matter how good, we know 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:32.640 how great they've been all season. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:34.839 We know Williams has been great. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.599 We got no check and have his moments where he 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:41.480 plays great. But when Shane plays great and delivers, they win. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.400 And with Indiana it's too much about committee. I don't 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.479 know if you guys felt the way I felt. You 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.640 just don't know who's gonna make a shot. I look 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.160 at the offense, it's just too random. It's not like 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.080 you know and Joe, you understand this more. I want 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:57.320 to be able to give it to my guy. We're 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.200 gonna want to pick a roll. He's gonna make the 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.320 best players, gonna look score or get the best guy 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.120 a possible shot. Indiana is too random for me. And 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.400 that's what happens laden games and it gets too random. Well, okay, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.440 see we know Shan's taking that shot. We know Shan's 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.440 gonna make that shot. He's gonna take that shot. Indiana 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.760 just too random. And I don't want to take anything 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.599 away from what he at right now and still have 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:20.719 a chance to win his title. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.599 But when you're doing it by committee, it's tough man 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:24.880 in these type of games. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.360 Oh Joe, you had the Pacers to win the series, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.799 you had him picked to win this game. What didn't 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.960 you like about what you saw from the Pacers down 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:33.440 the stretch? 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.479 Listen, obviously, what enough plays. I'm gonna piggyback off what 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.640 Tawan said. It's too random. It's too random. They can't 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.200 actually run a set play and have a specific guy 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.040 that's a go to guy that can get your shot 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.680 where you want to, Like Tawan say, they do everything 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.160 by committee, and it really ain't. Honestly, I think the 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.360 Pacers lost this game because of what the god damn 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:54.520 thunder decided to do. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.880 Let's talk about identity and she ain't gonna do it. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.480 Oh do it, XGA do No matter what, He's always 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.320 gonna close it game on. You know, he ain't worried 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.599 about efficiency. He gonna take them out, sharing damn shots 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.800 and get his points. But the Thunder finally remember who 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.599 they are. What they've done all postseason when they didn't 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:13.120 do the first two games is they had been in 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.840 their biggs and what they did tonight went right back 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.560 to their big lineup. They had shtting On Wrenn and 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.919 Isaiah Hartlstein starting together, just like they did the whole postseason. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.680 What happened Chad had a double Dublin Hardestyn to have 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.719 a he'd have a great game. But listen, they wanted 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.000 to paint, They wanted the glass, and the hell they wanted. 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:32.599 The goddamn game. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.839 Yeah Sga is the first player since Jerry West to 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.039 have thirty five plus points and zero assists in the 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.360 Finals game. Caruso the first bench player in the NBA 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.560 Finals history with twenty points and five steals in the game. 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.159 JOYDT pull that back up and Jaylen Williams had twenty 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.000 seven points. He was sensational in the night. You could 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.080 see why he was an All the NBA selection. Everybody 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.920 think Joe, you and I we questioned them switching their 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.560 lineups man. You in the finals, you got their won 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.360 sixty eight games, and with the exception of their Nuggets, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.880 you won relatively Eve, you swept, You swept Memphis, you 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.840 lose one game to a Minnesota you have to go. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.040 I mean, you had to go seven with the Nuggets, 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.080 but you end up blowing them out. And so I 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.240 didn't understand T one. I didn't understand Joe and I 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:23.960 we were talking about it. I didn't understand why they 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.960 went to that small lineup because maybe they saw the 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:31.000 success that Indy had against Cleveland two bigs, the success 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.960 they had against the Knicks two bigs, and they say, no, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.760 we're not gonna give them that advantage. But your advantage 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.960 is your advantage. Your advantage is playing Hartenstein and the 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.679 home run together and then going to your bench because 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.280 your bench is very good. These probably the two best 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.320 bench teams in all of basketball, and it's no surprise 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.480 that they're here. I think it's a blessing at a 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.320 curse to one because when you look at the Pacers, 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.360 because they don't have a guy that you have to 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.640 key on, you don't know who's gonna hurt you on 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.440 a given night. They're gonna have I'm a guy in 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.480 somewhere in the twenties, and they're gonna have a bunch 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.960 of teams a boy nineteen or eighteen or seventeen. Yeah, 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.200 you would like to have a guy that you could 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.560 say giving the ball like a shape, or you have 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.640 a guy like you got with a Brunson or one 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.400 of those guys, you know, one of the top players 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.160 that you can give in the ball and go get 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:18.720 your bucket. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.240 That's not what they have. What they have is a bunch. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.120 Of guys that's not afraid to take shots in big 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:29.920 moments tonight that didn't happen. Halliburton airball two threes, Miles 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.480 Turner airball to three. I thought the difference in this 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.720 ball game tonight. Look at the percentage that Indiana shot 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.079 forty three. This is the OKC that we used to seeing, 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.080 the getting up into them, getting the ball, forcing the turnovers. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:45.720 One shot and that's it. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.160 They dominated them on the glass, They turned them over, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.000 and Halliburton had five Turner when he has basically more 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.360 than three turnovers. It's not gonna be good for them 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.480 because he's a guy that really doesn't turn the ball over. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.280 But I think you have to give credit to OKC tonight. Yeah, 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.320 I thought, you know, now to ten point lead late 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:02.760 in the thirty and they end up going to the 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.280 fourth with a seven point lead. But okay, see you 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.920 race that within the first four minutes of the fourth quarter, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.079 that lead was gone. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.760 Yeah. I got say something though. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.439 If it's always picking backing off shot, it's always tough. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.200 And Joe, you understand this and shack when you're not 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.480 when you don't have a real go to guy. And 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.480 I'm not taking anything away from Tyler Hamburg and obviously 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.280 Pascal Siakam two threes at Tyris. I'm sorry Tyres hamp 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.800 and obviously Pascal, two guys that will played terrific basketball 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:33.720 and have led their team to the finals. So I 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.439 don't want to take anything away from them. But that's 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.360 the reason why it's certain guys get paid fifty sixty 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.640 million dollars a year. He is the reason why Shay 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.679 is about the side for probably four hundred million dollars. 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.720 You gotta have a guy that can go get you one. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.000 The players get thrown out the window when you get 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.079 to the finals and get to these situations, especially the 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.000 last six to eight minutes of a game. I want 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.960 to be able to get it to a guy individually 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.520 and go get me a bucket, draw double team, get 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.160 a guy open shot. And with Indiana is too random. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.400 By being so random, you don't know who's gonna score, right, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.440 And I think it kind of it kind of messes 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.200 them up a little bit because they don't even know. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.720 I don't know if Rick and Rick Carlin is one 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.240 of the greatest coaches ever coached this game, it's tough 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.080 for him. I'm sure he's like, who do I go to, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.200 Who's the guy who's gonna stop up? Yeah, who's the 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.720 guy that's gonna actually step up and get me a 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.040 bucket or draw double team and get that. And that's 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.720 I think that's what makes it hard for Andy. Well, Okay, 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:32.400 scenes kind. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:33.000 Of know the role. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.160 All the players know their role. They know Shay's gonna 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:40.520 dictake the pace. Especially with eight six four minutes to 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.760 go in the game, who's gonna play off him and Indiana. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.800 I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:46.960 like it's just too random. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.120 I don't know who's gonna shoot the ball. Yeah, Well 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:49.560 that's why. 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.440 So that's why you don't see a whole lot of 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.760 teams like Indiana win championships. You gotta go back, and 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.199 we talked about it the other night, Oh Joe and Joe. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.480 You got to go back to Detroit where you had 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.640 a bunch of guys, no superstar players that you didn't 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.920 know whether it gonna be Real Hamilton, whether it gonna 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.240 be Chouncey normally Chauncey Tugget. That's how he got the 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.199 name mister big Shot, Rashee Wallas or Tasha, So you. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.320 Really didn't know. Normally teams win championships. 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.800 They got a guy that we can give him the 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.000 ball and he can go get us a bucket. You 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.200 go back and look at the Lakers, whether it was 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.959 Kareem with the sky hook magic, or you look at 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.440 Bird or you look at. 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:25.440 You know, you Moses Malone. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.760 You go back and look at history, Isaiah Thomas with 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.720 the bad, bad boy pistons, that most teams shot of Kobe. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.160 Normally it was Kobe because they're gonna file shot. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.440 But you've always had a guy that we can give 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.920 the ball to and we know he can go get 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.760 a bucket or he's gonna get filed. We know that 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.760 that's not what Indiana have, and to their credit, they've 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.080 made the most of the situation. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.920 And we talked about this the other night, is that 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:51.080 because it's by. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.360 Committee, you really don't know who's gonna be the one 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.120 that's gonna put stick the knife in you, because you know, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.439 Pascal can get hot, and we seen him get hot. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.719 We seen Halliburton gets hot. We saw Matthren the other 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.240 night he got hot. But right now they had this game, 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.760 they're kicking himself. That is seven point lead, and they 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.920 had him on the ropes because Shade was getting Shane 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.719 looked like he was tied in the first ten minutes of. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:14.200 The ball game. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:14.640 He was. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.520 He did, he did, he did, And so I was like, okay, man, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:19.360 this ain't looking good. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.280 Seven point lead going into the fourth quarter and okay, see, like, nah, 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.720 we can't go down three one, and even though we're 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.920 going back home, we need to tie this thing up. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.679 Hey, Joe, Joe, I know it's by committee, but you 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.880 gotta understand something, right, Twyne says, random, But this is 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.160 what they've done all season long. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:39.920 That's what they've done all season long. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.720 And I think that's what make the Pacers so goddamn 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.720 special in this series, because you don't know whose night 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.760 is gonna be you know sometimes Tyler Ferby beat he's 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.600 he's up and down. But then you know, nim Hard 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.600 come out of nowhere, you know. And I really think 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.480 that the game is gonna go to seven, right, You're 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.400 gonna go to seven, And I think the Pacers, the 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:57.520 Pacers is gonna pull it off. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.320 They were gonna pull it off. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:01.079 I got listen. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.439 I think I thought it was a hell of a game, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.400 but I thought it was in favor of OKC because 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.200 of the scoring. Like the Pacer only scored one hundred 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.439 and four points. That's what Okay want. They don't want 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.080 a one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty. See, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.720 that's that that helps the Pacers. For me, I feel 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.920 like Jalen Williams, he was like I know Shade had 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.080 thirty five, but I think Jalen was more than MVP 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.840 because he kind of kept him in and he was 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.160 aggressive throughout the whole entire Absolutely, I totally agree. He 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.360 was getting into the TV, they defense, putting the pressure 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.520 on the Pacers to foul, he was scoring. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.720 I thought he'd done a great job night and keeping 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:36.280 him in the game. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.000 And in the fourth quarter, I thought Shade came through 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:40.840 and put his stamp on the game. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.240 Man, it was. It was definitely a tight, close, niche game. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.320 But with OKC, you know, being having their youth on 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.720 they side, I felt like and having shade the MVP, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:52.840 you know, they was able to pull it out toward 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:53.120 the end. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:55.600 I think the thing is also twat. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.800 And let me know what you think about this, the 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.280 officiating down the stretch the lamb. The first forty four minutes, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.920 shall only shot two free throws. The last four minutes 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.000 he shot eight free throws. How many three throws did 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.679 they shoot the last four because I think but they 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.600 turned the ball over. I mean on a drip, on 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.760 a handoff, Miles turn to try to hand the ball 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.640 off to Halliburton, George steals it, and we saw them 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.200 turn the ball over. And they didn't have a whole 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.320 lot of turnovers. It's when they had the turnovers. All 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.320 turnovers aren't created equals like in football. 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:25.600 Ohho. 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:27.640 We talk about this all the time. If you turn 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.360 them all in the over in the fourth quarter a 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.880 first quarter, it's a lot different than turning over in 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.320 the fourth quarter, especially if you're up a score or 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.080 you down a score. Now you give them the possession 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.600 back and you don't really have a whole lot of 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.760 time to make that up. And so when you're turning 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.920 the ball over like Indiana was in the fourth quarter, 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.040 look at what you did. Now a lead, now you 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.840 don't even get a shot up at the realm, they 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.440 get down, they get two. But let me you make 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.120 a great point, shining, that's a great point. But this 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.160 is the difference between two different teams. You got an 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.800 everyp on one team where everybody knows that road we're 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.400 gonna go through. She shakes to create eight, whether he 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.560 take the shot or give somebody else a shot. 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:04.360 When you talk. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.640 About Indiana, and I say this again, and I don't 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.560 want to take anything away from my own people think 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.440 I'm hating or thinking they're not great. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.400 The way they play has been terrific all year. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.760 But when you do it by committee, it's always tough 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.640 because now you're not you have to This is the 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.240 reason why and joke it relates to this. It's a 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.280 reason why guys make fifty fifty five million of year, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.720 sixty million a year. It's the reason why you play 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.080 these certain guys because you don't want to do it 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.440 by committey late you want to go to your best 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.240 player and whether he gets double team, make a pass, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.440 or he's taking the shot when Indiana, it's too random. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.720 How many times we've been watching the series, we don't 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.600 know who's gonna score for Indiana. I mean, think about that. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.240 We don't know who's going to score for them late 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.480 when it gets to six minutes, under six minutes, we 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.200 don't know. The best game I thought they play is 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.480 when Holliburg took control. Yeah, when he actually took control 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.920 at Controller pays and when he takes the shot. And 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.880 I'm not selling you get to the finals, so it's 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.680 hard for me to question their style where they play, 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.720 but when you get to this point in this game, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.960 you gotta have a go to guy that you give 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.600 it to that could create a double team or could 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.320 create his own shot. And when I look at Indiana, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.640 they don't have that. No, And okay, see he's too 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.360 good defensively, You're not gonna beat them just one on one. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.360 You have to make an extra pass, Somebody has to 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.560 make an extra move. You gotta have some guy with 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.760 a skill level that's gonna score. And to be honest, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.560 if I was gonna make that decision on Indiana, I'm 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.320 giving to Pascal Siakam and move it out the way. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.840 I know they haven't died with haling Bird making decisions late. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.640 I'm gonna give it to him because he's my best 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.960 one on one player, and I'm gonna give it to him. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.000 You gotta simplify the game late. It's not about that 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.640 I sold Joe. You've been in situation. You get the 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:46.040 ball man. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.920 You only gonna help. You don't even gonna help. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.560 I played with a great one on one player, Paul 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.800 piss and after I could score. But Paul, you don't 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.440 want me on this side. He's gonna be getting out 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.360 the way right where. Indiana is too random, and by 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.480 being so random, that's the reason that they in the 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.880 position that they're in right now. You lose a game 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.159 for on your own floor. They play good enough to 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.480 win the night. You don't want to lose that game. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.520 It's gonna be tough for them now. I don't want 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.680 to cap them out. You know, things happen. It's too two. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.360 Anything can go that way. Andrew's playing a part. God 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.640 got have a bad night. So I'm not gonna predict 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.320 the series right now. But Indiana got a little soul 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.080 searching to do. It's some other guys got to step up, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.639 or Holli burd Is gonna have to live and die 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.800 with him taking twenty five thirty shots or being aggressive 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.359 and saying, hey, I can go home at night. Hey 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.160 I was aggressive. I didn't have it. But you cannot 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.879 play the random basketball with all these different guys thinking 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.400 they can have I think they may have four or five. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.720 They may have six guys in double figures. And that's 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.200