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Speaker 1: thunder even the series Crew two two. Uh Shaye was sensational.
Speaker 1: The first forty four minutes. Guys, he had two free throws.
Speaker 1: The last the last eight minutes, last, excuse me, the
Speaker 1: last four minutes he had eight free throws, so he
Speaker 1: was ten of ten for tonight. Jalen Williams was eleven
Speaker 1: of eleven. He had thirty five points on twelve twenty
Speaker 1: four shooting. Jaylen Williams was eight of eighteen eleven eleven
Speaker 1: from the free throw line, chet six and six from
Speaker 1: the free throw line.
Speaker 2: But I thought the guy that kept a minute, just
Speaker 2: like Matthern did the other night.
Speaker 1: It was Alex Caruso. He was sensational the night. He
Speaker 1: didn't let them he did. Uh. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: Obie Topping played well. They got what thirty five sixteen
Speaker 1: thirty thirty six points? Uh yeah, thirty six points from
Speaker 1: their bench. But Carusoe was tremendous early. Joelyn Marvels started
Speaker 1: you and then Twine, we're gonna kick it off to you.
Speaker 1: Joe lem ask your question. Did the Thunder win this game?
Speaker 1: Or did the Pacers lose it?
Speaker 2: Now? The Thunder wonning, Man, that is a great game.
Speaker 1: It was kind of Teeter Titer pretty much throughout the
Speaker 1: whole game, and the Thunder I scored him a bout
Speaker 1: fourteen and that fourth quarter that was the taiale of
Speaker 1: the game right there.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, I ain't gonna tell you. I know, Lie,
Speaker 2: I was nervous over here.
Speaker 1: I was watching the game for OKC because I felt,
Speaker 1: you know, especially toward the end of their third to one,
Speaker 1: you know, Indiana took the momentum, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I felt like I said, man, they gonna end up
Speaker 1: closing these board out because OKC looked like they had
Speaker 1: got a little fatigued down the stretch. What they did
Speaker 1: to the third and in the fourth quarter, they just
Speaker 1: made big play out the big play, and the Pacers
Speaker 1: seemed like they had a hard time scoring and the paces,
Speaker 1: I mean, the OKAC ended up pulling out. Well, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be be honest, and we gotta be honest fellas,
Speaker 1: you know we're doing this. You saw the MVP Shay
Speaker 1: take this game to the next level fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: It's the reason why he got to the award.
Speaker 1: We looked for those type of performances to go on
Speaker 1: the road and close the game out, and he did
Speaker 1: what he had to do, and that's what he did.
Speaker 1: He did even this series up, and he did what
Speaker 1: he had to do. But also too, you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta think about it when you look at with Indiana,
Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, with Indiana has been great
Speaker 1: all year. I love Indiana. I actually have. I think
Speaker 1: Indiana can win this series. But when you're doing it
Speaker 1: by committee and makes it hard when you don't really
Speaker 1: have that guy. I know, we know, we talk about
Speaker 1: Tyler Harbert. You know Tyler a lot and think that
Speaker 1: he can get it done. But they do it by committee.
Speaker 1: They don't do it, you know, okay, see is for
Speaker 1: the young as they are and the way they play.
Speaker 1: Shaye has to play great and deliver for them down
Speaker 1: the stretch for.
Speaker 2: Them to win.
Speaker 1: We all know that no matter how good, we know
Speaker 1: how great they've been all season.
Speaker 2: We know Williams has been great.
Speaker 1: We got no check and have his moments where he
Speaker 1: plays great. But when Shane plays great and delivers, they win.
Speaker 1: And with Indiana it's too much about committee. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys felt the way I felt. You
Speaker 1: just don't know who's gonna make a shot. I look
Speaker 1: at the offense, it's just too random. It's not like
Speaker 1: you know and Joe, you understand this more. I want
Speaker 1: to be able to give it to my guy. We're
Speaker 1: gonna want to pick a roll. He's gonna make the
Speaker 1: best players, gonna look score or get the best guy
Speaker 1: a possible shot. Indiana is too random for me. And
Speaker 1: that's what happens laden games and it gets too random. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: see we know Shan's taking that shot. We know Shan's
Speaker 1: gonna make that shot. He's gonna take that shot. Indiana
Speaker 1: just too random. And I don't want to take anything
Speaker 1: away from what he at right now and still have
Speaker 1: a chance to win his title.
Speaker 2: But when you're doing it by committee, it's tough man
Speaker 2: in these type of games.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you had the Pacers to win the series,
Speaker 1: you had him picked to win this game. What didn't
Speaker 1: you like about what you saw from the Pacers down
Speaker 1: the stretch?
Speaker 3: Listen, obviously, what enough plays. I'm gonna piggyback off what
Speaker 3: Tawan said. It's too random. It's too random. They can't
Speaker 3: actually run a set play and have a specific guy
Speaker 3: that's a go to guy that can get your shot
Speaker 3: where you want to, Like Tawan say, they do everything
Speaker 3: by committee, and it really ain't. Honestly, I think the
Speaker 3: Pacers lost this game because of what the god damn
Speaker 3: thunder decided to do.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about identity and she ain't gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Oh do it, XGA do No matter what, He's always
Speaker 3: gonna close it game on. You know, he ain't worried
Speaker 3: about efficiency. He gonna take them out, sharing damn shots
Speaker 3: and get his points. But the Thunder finally remember who
Speaker 3: they are. What they've done all postseason when they didn't
Speaker 3: do the first two games is they had been in
Speaker 3: their biggs and what they did tonight went right back
Speaker 3: to their big lineup. They had shtting On Wrenn and
Speaker 3: Isaiah Hartlstein starting together, just like they did the whole postseason.
Speaker 3: What happened Chad had a double Dublin Hardestyn to have
Speaker 3: a he'd have a great game. But listen, they wanted
Speaker 3: to paint, They wanted the glass, and the hell they wanted.
Speaker 2: The goddamn game.
Speaker 1: Yeah Sga is the first player since Jerry West to
Speaker 1: have thirty five plus points and zero assists in the
Speaker 1: Finals game. Caruso the first bench player in the NBA
Speaker 1: Finals history with twenty points and five steals in the game.
Speaker 1: JOYDT pull that back up and Jaylen Williams had twenty
Speaker 1: seven points. He was sensational in the night. You could
Speaker 1: see why he was an All the NBA selection. Everybody
Speaker 1: think Joe, you and I we questioned them switching their
Speaker 1: lineups man. You in the finals, you got their won
Speaker 1: sixty eight games, and with the exception of their Nuggets,
Speaker 1: you won relatively Eve, you swept, You swept Memphis, you
Speaker 1: lose one game to a Minnesota you have to go.
Speaker 1: I mean, you had to go seven with the Nuggets,
Speaker 1: but you end up blowing them out. And so I
Speaker 1: didn't understand T one. I didn't understand Joe and I
Speaker 1: we were talking about it. I didn't understand why they
Speaker 1: went to that small lineup because maybe they saw the
Speaker 1: success that Indy had against Cleveland two bigs, the success
Speaker 1: they had against the Knicks two bigs, and they say, no,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna give them that advantage. But your advantage
Speaker 1: is your advantage. Your advantage is playing Hartenstein and the
Speaker 1: home run together and then going to your bench because
Speaker 1: your bench is very good. These probably the two best
Speaker 1: bench teams in all of basketball, and it's no surprise
Speaker 1: that they're here. I think it's a blessing at a
Speaker 1: curse to one because when you look at the Pacers,
Speaker 1: because they don't have a guy that you have to
Speaker 1: key on, you don't know who's gonna hurt you on
Speaker 1: a given night. They're gonna have I'm a guy in
Speaker 1: somewhere in the twenties, and they're gonna have a bunch
Speaker 1: of teams a boy nineteen or eighteen or seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would like to have a guy that you could
Speaker 1: say giving the ball like a shape, or you have
Speaker 1: a guy like you got with a Brunson or one
Speaker 1: of those guys, you know, one of the top players
Speaker 1: that you can give in the ball and go get
Speaker 1: your bucket.
Speaker 2: That's not what they have. What they have is a bunch.
Speaker 1: Of guys that's not afraid to take shots in big
Speaker 1: moments tonight that didn't happen. Halliburton airball two threes, Miles
Speaker 1: Turner airball to three. I thought the difference in this
Speaker 1: ball game tonight. Look at the percentage that Indiana shot
Speaker 1: forty three. This is the OKC that we used to seeing,
Speaker 1: the getting up into them, getting the ball, forcing the turnovers.
Speaker 2: One shot and that's it.
Speaker 1: They dominated them on the glass, They turned them over,
Speaker 1: and Halliburton had five Turner when he has basically more
Speaker 1: than three turnovers. It's not gonna be good for them
Speaker 1: because he's a guy that really doesn't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: But I think you have to give credit to OKC tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, now to ten point lead late
Speaker 1: in the thirty and they end up going to the
Speaker 1: fourth with a seven point lead. But okay, see you
Speaker 1: race that within the first four minutes of the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: that lead was gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got say something though.
Speaker 1: If it's always picking backing off shot, it's always tough.
Speaker 1: And Joe, you understand this and shack when you're not
Speaker 1: when you don't have a real go to guy. And
Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything away from Tyler Hamburg and obviously
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam two threes at Tyris. I'm sorry Tyres hamp
Speaker 1: and obviously Pascal, two guys that will played terrific basketball
Speaker 1: and have led their team to the finals. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to take anything away from them. But that's
Speaker 1: the reason why it's certain guys get paid fifty sixty
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. He is the reason why Shay
Speaker 1: is about the side for probably four hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: You gotta have a guy that can go get you one.
Speaker 1: The players get thrown out the window when you get
Speaker 1: to the finals and get to these situations, especially the
Speaker 1: last six to eight minutes of a game. I want
Speaker 1: to be able to get it to a guy individually
Speaker 1: and go get me a bucket, draw double team, get
Speaker 1: a guy open shot. And with Indiana is too random.
Speaker 1: By being so random, you don't know who's gonna score, right,
Speaker 1: And I think it kind of it kind of messes
Speaker 1: them up a little bit because they don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Rick and Rick Carlin is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest coaches ever coached this game, it's tough
Speaker 1: for him. I'm sure he's like, who do I go to,
Speaker 1: Who's the guy who's gonna stop up? Yeah, who's the
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna actually step up and get me a
Speaker 1: bucket or draw double team and get that. And that's
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it hard for Andy. Well, Okay,
Speaker 1: scenes kind.
Speaker 2: Of know the role.
Speaker 1: All the players know their role. They know Shay's gonna
Speaker 1: dictake the pace. Especially with eight six four minutes to
Speaker 1: go in the game, who's gonna play off him and Indiana.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it's just too random.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's gonna shoot the ball. Yeah, Well
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 1: So that's why you don't see a whole lot of
Speaker 1: teams like Indiana win championships. You gotta go back, and
Speaker 1: we talked about it the other night, Oh Joe and Joe.
Speaker 1: You got to go back to Detroit where you had
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, no superstar players that you didn't
Speaker 1: know whether it gonna be Real Hamilton, whether it gonna
Speaker 1: be Chouncey normally Chauncey Tugget. That's how he got the
Speaker 1: name mister big Shot, Rashee Wallas or Tasha, So you.
Speaker 2: Really didn't know. Normally teams win championships.
Speaker 1: They got a guy that we can give him the
Speaker 1: ball and he can go get us a bucket. You
Speaker 1: go back and look at the Lakers, whether it was
Speaker 1: Kareem with the sky hook magic, or you look at
Speaker 1: Bird or you look at.
Speaker 2: You know, you Moses Malone.
Speaker 1: You go back and look at history, Isaiah Thomas with
Speaker 1: the bad, bad boy pistons, that most teams shot of Kobe.
Speaker 2: Normally it was Kobe because they're gonna file shot.
Speaker 1: But you've always had a guy that we can give
Speaker 1: the ball to and we know he can go get
Speaker 1: a bucket or he's gonna get filed. We know that
Speaker 1: that's not what Indiana have, and to their credit, they've
Speaker 1: made the most of the situation.
Speaker 2: And we talked about this the other night, is that
Speaker 2: because it's by.
Speaker 1: Committee, you really don't know who's gonna be the one
Speaker 1: that's gonna put stick the knife in you, because you know,
Speaker 1: Pascal can get hot, and we seen him get hot.
Speaker 1: We seen Halliburton gets hot. We saw Matthren the other
Speaker 1: night he got hot. But right now they had this game,
Speaker 1: they're kicking himself. That is seven point lead, and they
Speaker 1: had him on the ropes because Shade was getting Shane
Speaker 1: looked like he was tied in the first ten minutes of.
Speaker 2: The ball game.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He did, he did, he did, And so I was like, okay, man,
Speaker 2: this ain't looking good.
Speaker 1: Seven point lead going into the fourth quarter and okay, see, like, nah,
Speaker 1: we can't go down three one, and even though we're
Speaker 1: going back home, we need to tie this thing up.
Speaker 3: Hey, Joe, Joe, I know it's by committee, but you
Speaker 3: gotta understand something, right, Twyne says, random, But this is
Speaker 3: what they've done all season long.
Speaker 2: That's what they've done all season long.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what make the Pacers so goddamn
Speaker 3: special in this series, because you don't know whose night
Speaker 3: is gonna be you know sometimes Tyler Ferby beat he's
Speaker 3: he's up and down. But then you know, nim Hard
Speaker 3: come out of nowhere, you know. And I really think
Speaker 3: that the game is gonna go to seven, right, You're
Speaker 3: gonna go to seven, And I think the Pacers, the
Speaker 3: Pacers is gonna pull it off.
Speaker 1: They were gonna pull it off.
Speaker 2: I got listen.
Speaker 1: I think I thought it was a hell of a game,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was in favor of OKC because
Speaker 1: of the scoring. Like the Pacer only scored one hundred
Speaker 1: and four points. That's what Okay want. They don't want
Speaker 1: a one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty. See,
Speaker 1: that's that that helps the Pacers. For me, I feel
Speaker 1: like Jalen Williams, he was like I know Shade had
Speaker 1: thirty five, but I think Jalen was more than MVP
Speaker 1: because he kind of kept him in and he was
Speaker 1: aggressive throughout the whole entire Absolutely, I totally agree. He
Speaker 1: was getting into the TV, they defense, putting the pressure
Speaker 1: on the Pacers to foul, he was scoring.
Speaker 2: I thought he'd done a great job night and keeping
Speaker 2: him in the game.
Speaker 1: And in the fourth quarter, I thought Shade came through
Speaker 1: and put his stamp on the game.
Speaker 2: Man, it was. It was definitely a tight, close, niche game.
Speaker 1: But with OKC, you know, being having their youth on
Speaker 1: they side, I felt like and having shade the MVP,
Speaker 1: you know, they was able to pull it out toward
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is also twat.
Speaker 1: And let me know what you think about this, the
Speaker 1: officiating down the stretch the lamb. The first forty four minutes,
Speaker 1: shall only shot two free throws. The last four minutes
Speaker 1: he shot eight free throws. How many three throws did
Speaker 1: they shoot the last four because I think but they
Speaker 1: turned the ball over. I mean on a drip, on
Speaker 1: a handoff, Miles turn to try to hand the ball
Speaker 1: off to Halliburton, George steals it, and we saw them
Speaker 1: turn the ball over. And they didn't have a whole
Speaker 1: lot of turnovers. It's when they had the turnovers. All
Speaker 1: turnovers aren't created equals like in football.
Speaker 2: Ohho.
Speaker 1: We talk about this all the time. If you turn
Speaker 1: them all in the over in the fourth quarter a
Speaker 1: first quarter, it's a lot different than turning over in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, especially if you're up a score or
Speaker 1: you down a score. Now you give them the possession
Speaker 1: back and you don't really have a whole lot of
Speaker 1: time to make that up. And so when you're turning
Speaker 1: the ball over like Indiana was in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: look at what you did. Now a lead, now you
Speaker 1: don't even get a shot up at the realm, they
Speaker 1: get down, they get two. But let me you make
Speaker 1: a great point, shining, that's a great point. But this
Speaker 1: is the difference between two different teams. You got an
Speaker 1: everyp on one team where everybody knows that road we're
Speaker 1: gonna go through. She shakes to create eight, whether he
Speaker 1: take the shot or give somebody else a shot.
Speaker 2: When you talk.
Speaker 1: About Indiana, and I say this again, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to take anything away from my own people think
Speaker 1: I'm hating or thinking they're not great.
Speaker 2: The way they play has been terrific all year.
Speaker 1: But when you do it by committee, it's always tough
Speaker 1: because now you're not you have to This is the
Speaker 1: reason why and joke it relates to this. It's a
Speaker 1: reason why guys make fifty fifty five million of year,
Speaker 1: sixty million a year. It's the reason why you play
Speaker 1: these certain guys because you don't want to do it
Speaker 1: by committey late you want to go to your best
Speaker 1: player and whether he gets double team, make a pass,
Speaker 1: or he's taking the shot when Indiana, it's too random.
Speaker 1: How many times we've been watching the series, we don't
Speaker 1: know who's gonna score for Indiana. I mean, think about that.
Speaker 1: We don't know who's going to score for them late
Speaker 1: when it gets to six minutes, under six minutes, we
Speaker 1: don't know. The best game I thought they play is
Speaker 1: when Holliburg took control. Yeah, when he actually took control
Speaker 1: at Controller pays and when he takes the shot. And
Speaker 1: I'm not selling you get to the finals, so it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to question their style where they play,
Speaker 1: but when you get to this point in this game,
Speaker 1: you gotta have a go to guy that you give
Speaker 1: it to that could create a double team or could
Speaker 1: create his own shot. And when I look at Indiana,
Speaker 1: they don't have that. No, And okay, see he's too
Speaker 1: good defensively, You're not gonna beat them just one on one.
Speaker 1: You have to make an extra pass, Somebody has to
Speaker 1: make an extra move. You gotta have some guy with
Speaker 1: a skill level that's gonna score. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: if I was gonna make that decision on Indiana, I'm
Speaker 1: giving to Pascal Siakam and move it out the way.
Speaker 2: I know they haven't died with haling Bird making decisions late.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to him because he's my best
Speaker 1: one on one player, and I'm gonna give it to him.
Speaker 1: You gotta simplify the game late. It's not about that
Speaker 1: I sold Joe. You've been in situation. You get the
Speaker 1: ball man.
Speaker 2: You only gonna help. You don't even gonna help.
Speaker 1: I played with a great one on one player, Paul
Speaker 1: piss and after I could score. But Paul, you don't
Speaker 1: want me on this side. He's gonna be getting out
Speaker 1: the way right where. Indiana is too random, and by
Speaker 1: being so random, that's the reason that they in the
Speaker 1: position that they're in right now. You lose a game
Speaker 1: for on your own floor. They play good enough to
Speaker 1: win the night. You don't want to lose that game.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough for them now. I don't want
Speaker 1: to cap them out. You know, things happen. It's too two.
Speaker 1: Anything can go that way. Andrew's playing a part. God
Speaker 1: got have a bad night. So I'm not gonna predict
Speaker 1: the series right now. But Indiana got a little soul
Speaker 1: searching to do. It's some other guys got to step up,
Speaker 1: or Holli burd Is gonna have to live and die
Speaker 1: with him taking twenty five thirty shots or being aggressive
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I can go home at night. Hey
Speaker 1: I was aggressive. I didn't have it. But you cannot
Speaker 1: play the random basketball with all these different guys thinking
Speaker 1: they can have I think they may have four or five.
Speaker 1: They may have six guys in double figures. And that's
Speaker 1: cute some nights. In most NBA nights, five guys, that's
Speaker 1: cute most knights.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: It's good you get five sis guys from sure, coaches
Speaker 1: love it. But this is the reason why we pay
Speaker 1: those mass contracts right now, reason why you give guys
Speaker 1: forty forty five fifty million dollars a year to show
Speaker 1: up right now. I don't know who that guy is
Speaker 1: from any Indiana. They may I have that guy. Hey,
Speaker 1: somebody gonna have to do it or shake Gunna picked
Speaker 1: them apart for these next two games.
Speaker 2: A torn ojo.
Speaker 1: When you when you look at this game, I thought Indiana,
Speaker 1: I'll played them for three quarters.
Speaker 2: They did.
Speaker 1: They all played them for three quarters, and in that
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I felt, you know, OKC, they knew what
Speaker 1: they had to do to win. They out scored them
Speaker 1: by fourteen. So it lets me know, you've seen air balls,
Speaker 1: you've seen block shots from OKC, like they really locked down,
Speaker 1: and then you know you got your best player getting
Speaker 1: to the line getting free throws. They took the momentimum
Speaker 1: away from Indiana in that fourth quarter. Man, they seemed
Speaker 1: like the edges went out in that building. But I
Speaker 1: agree with torn I thought I thought Indiana played well
Speaker 1: enough to win. They just got out played in the
Speaker 1: fourth corner. It was Tito taa from the first, second, third,
Speaker 1: and then the fourth you get out scored like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you can't. You can't beat them like that.
Speaker 1: But you remember, guys, if we go back and look
Speaker 1: at Indiana this entire postseason and clutch situation, they've been great.
Speaker 1: Look at them when they played the Cavs, they were great.
Speaker 1: Look at them when they played the Knicks, they've been great.
Speaker 1: And even the first two games when the games were closed,
Speaker 1: Game one, game three, look at how they prevailed tonight.
Speaker 1: I thought they you know, and fourteen OKC had tennisists.
Speaker 1: Let us think it we were twelve was the last
Speaker 1: time you ever played on the team that in the
Speaker 1: NBA game only had tennisists in forty eight minutes, your
Speaker 1: MVP your started.
Speaker 2: Didn't even have He didn't have a assists.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, you know, And go back to what
Speaker 1: I said, though, Shannon, this guy is god time.
Speaker 2: This ain't about the others. Ain't about to passing.
Speaker 1: Huh No, It's about It's about the MVP who we
Speaker 1: talk about the fourth course, who took control the game.
Speaker 1: It's the reason why he got the reward. It's a
Speaker 1: reason why we we named them the MVP of the NBA.
Speaker 1: It's because he has the ability to close the game out.
Speaker 1: When I think about Indiana, I don't know. And I
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I love Lumber, I love Titler.
Speaker 1: I think he's great. He's a great player. He's played great. Well,
Speaker 1: you're talking about close it out and have that mentality.
Speaker 1: It's a little different when you're the MVP and he
Speaker 1: separated himself tonight. Are we okay in an NBA Finals
Speaker 1: game with seventy one free throw attempts? That's wow, that's
Speaker 1: a great question. Actually I'm not. This is my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, you know at some point,
Speaker 1: especially at this level, and the way these two teams play,
Speaker 1: that both teams get up and down, they run, they're
Speaker 1: not necessarily considering playing for the free throw line. This
Speaker 1: is not a grinded out series. This is two teams
Speaker 1: that want to play one fifteen one twenty.
Speaker 2: So this is a game.
Speaker 1: This is actually great for the referees because they don't
Speaker 1: really have to get involved because both of these teams
Speaker 1: like to get up and down and play the fast pace.
Speaker 1: So it is something to think about. I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't look at that number. I'm glad you brought that
Speaker 1: stet up. I didn't think about that, But that's something
Speaker 1: really to think about because these two teams don't really
Speaker 1: want to play in the nineties. They want to play
Speaker 1: one fifteen one twenty if they can, so they're not
Speaker 1: worried about the foul call. They want to get up
Speaker 1: and down. So that's a great point. They go OKC
Speaker 1: had twelve offensive rebounds, chat Hogrid had four, Hartenstein had three.
Speaker 1: They so the two Bigs had seven of the twelve
Speaker 1: offensive rebounds. Indiana only had seven offensive rebounds. They beat
Speaker 1: them by ten. They were plus ten in the rebounding margin.
Speaker 1: They did a great job. They did a better job
Speaker 1: of taking care of the basketball tonight, okay see, okay,
Speaker 1: se had gotten You know, they were starting.
Speaker 2: To turn the ball over, and they really do a
Speaker 2: great job of turning all over.
Speaker 1: Jaylen Williams had four, but for the most part, you know,
Speaker 1: Shaye only had two. Lou Dort had one, Honger and
Speaker 1: had one, so then it really turned. They did a
Speaker 1: great job of protecting the ball. But when you look
Speaker 1: at them, they shoot you let okay see, okay see
Speaker 1: shoot forty seven, forty eight in one game. I think
Speaker 1: they were like fifty percent from the floor. You gonna
Speaker 1: catch hell beating them because it's because they put so
Speaker 1: much pressure on you.
Speaker 2: The likelihood of you shooting fifty percent. Now we showed it.
Speaker 1: I think we saw the other night in game three,
Speaker 1: I think they shot fifty percent.
Speaker 2: But okay, see, do a great job with all those
Speaker 2: wing defended.
Speaker 1: When you got Jaylen Williams, you got lou Dort, you
Speaker 1: got Caruso, you got Wigged, you got Wallace, you got
Speaker 1: guys that can.
Speaker 2: Defend multiple, multiple possessions.
Speaker 1: So in other words, hey we can slide hey close
Speaker 1: out here, he give it up close out there, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be on your best behavior. I
Speaker 1: just thought Indiana panic a little bit. They started shooting
Speaker 1: some shots that they wouldn't normally take guys in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter because I think they can feel the movemental
Speaker 1: start to slip, and everybody wanted to be that guy
Speaker 1: to hit that big three, to quitible metal, to put
Speaker 1: us back, to put us back in. Like, hey, everybody's
Speaker 1: looking at hell. They moment talk about age the Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: we good eight. Don't worry about me, don't like step
Speaker 1: in it in the Olympics, don't worry about me.
Speaker 2: I'm okay, hey, and it got it got away from.
Speaker 3: Them for me, it might have. He might have got
Speaker 3: away from uncle. But I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you how it's gonna go. I told you how
Speaker 3: to see I was gonna go. I told you how
Speaker 3: well before it even started. I told you at this point,
Speaker 3: at four games, it would be too to Joe, you
Speaker 3: owe me some money. Nah, right now, I'm giving you
Speaker 3: the opportunity. I'm giving you the opportunity, Joe. I'm giving
Speaker 3: you the opportunities well to change your decision on who
Speaker 3: you have with in the finals.
Speaker 1: Man, you got Chill, you got Joe, you got you
Speaker 1: got Chailly touring o Joe. When you look at OKC,
Speaker 1: for me, I love the fact that they didn't settle
Speaker 1: for the three. They shot seventeen threes, they made three
Speaker 1: of them. They was getting to the cup. They was
Speaker 1: putting the onus on the riff. You look at the
Speaker 1: pacers that they doubled them in three point attempts, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like them guys was putting their head down for.
Speaker 1: OKC getting to the cup, making plays and for whatever reason, uh,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't much resistance there. I thought nim Hart,
Speaker 1: I thought he played great man for three quarters against Shaye.
Speaker 2: The way he guarded them, yep, I agree. Look Shaye
Speaker 2: a couple of.
Speaker 1: Times he was like, man, y'all gonna bring that thing up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get down in position hey, because that boy
Speaker 1: was on his back pockets. Man, he wasn't letting him
Speaker 1: breathe I'm talking about busting through picks, just making him work.
Speaker 2: You want to tire him out.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I think when he caught his
Speaker 1: second win because he got tired early, you know, he
Speaker 1: was able to withstanding that and uh, and put his
Speaker 1: stamp on the game.
Speaker 2: Lay in that four quarter. You know what too, Joe,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna add this.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes as coaches, and I'm these coaches
Speaker 1: get this thinge like you just talking about them are
Speaker 1: playing great defense. Sometimes you gotta respect who the MVP is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of I'm watching these games now. The only
Speaker 1: thing I cann't like. And we saw this and we've
Speaker 1: watched basketball our whole life, all of us have. Now
Speaker 1: somebody else got it beat me. I'm telled that we
Speaker 1: should we shouldn't get coming on these shows talking about
Speaker 1: Shade beat us. Now we know you know them guys
Speaker 1: are great, but when you gonna send a double, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make somebody else beat us.
Speaker 2: That's the thing I got a problem with.
Speaker 1: Listen, all these coaches making four, five, ten, twelve, thirteen
Speaker 1: million dollars, we firing t hims, We're doing all these
Speaker 1: things to coach. But sometimes man as a coach, respect
Speaker 1: the player, respect that this guy's skills say he's the
Speaker 1: MVP for a reason. So if I'm gonna lose as
Speaker 1: a coach, and I'm not the brightest guy that never
Speaker 1: coached before in my life. But I played this game
Speaker 1: my whole life. I'm gonna make somebody else beat me.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just live and die. One thing I know.
Speaker 1: It's a Chicago Bulls fan. It's a couple of great
Speaker 1: shots that I always remember that Steve Kirk making a
Speaker 1: three point shot against Utah bj Armshaw making big shots.
Speaker 1: You know why, because Michael Jordan got double team and
Speaker 1: he made the right play. That's what we used to
Speaker 1: criticize Lebron and James. I Shay, I know you loved
Speaker 1: le Bron. Wish to criticize Lebron James for not taking
Speaker 1: those shots. He always made the right play. Sometimes force
Speaker 1: these superstars to make the right play. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: I can't just keep I'm not gonna let Shape beat me.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go home at night and know that
Speaker 1: I let Shade beat me in.
Speaker 2: A one on one.
Speaker 1: I sold well I could double team him or force
Speaker 1: somebody else to beat me.
Speaker 2: This is what we know. We say so many superstars.
Speaker 1: You guys know this that we give guys high praise
Speaker 1: because they made big shots and big moments. And not
Speaker 1: to go ahead Robert Horvey, but Harbar Urdy made about
Speaker 1: seven of them because you want a.
Speaker 2: Double team shot.
Speaker 1: You want a double ting and Kobe, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: this shot or dream or Kim Duncan if you let
Speaker 1: a got her as the guy. The guy got twenty,
Speaker 1: he got twenty. Shade had twenty four shot attempts and
Speaker 1: ten free throws. So you let so and Joe we
Speaker 1: talked about this, and know Joe, we were talking about
Speaker 1: this bro getting you see Game three, they trapped it
Speaker 1: did he tried to get in that picking roll that
Speaker 1: trapped to make him get a ball up. He turned
Speaker 1: it over. They got jump balls. Whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Stop letting him play one on one. The really every
Speaker 1: great player in the NBA, if you let him play
Speaker 1: one on one, they're gonna average thirty plus. You must,
Speaker 1: you must. It's like a great receiver. Oh Joe, you
Speaker 1: got the double it. I don't care how great your
Speaker 1: dB is. They're gonna hey, hey, he gonna get it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: You keep PULLU and Poe. Oh man, we played what
Speaker 1: we played. That's that's what we do. Okay, what we do.
Speaker 2: What we do. Gonna have your home, tim but man,
Speaker 2: and we were so close.
Speaker 1: They ate. You just come back and get better next
Speaker 1: your hell, now a towring. And I agree with y'all
Speaker 1: sending the double. But here's one thing. You gotta take
Speaker 1: a look at where he's ioing from, which is at
Speaker 1: like the top of the key, kind of like a
Speaker 1: little bit of butter free throw line. That's a hard
Speaker 1: place to double. Man, that's a hard place to double.
Speaker 1: So when I see them getting him in his spots,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much where he operated from the night. You know,
Speaker 1: get a double there, you know you're giving up something easy.
Speaker 1: So I think Casey understood that, and the fact that
Speaker 1: Shaye didn't have an assist. He had it on his
Speaker 1: mind he was gonna play in that isolation and he
Speaker 1: was gonna get to his spots.
Speaker 2: Toe.
Speaker 1: Look he taking them, He taking them bumps in the
Speaker 1: mid posts, and he's still on balance making them tough shots.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: He made a lot of tough baskets to night. So
Speaker 1: you can't think about it, Joe, we too too. Now
Speaker 1: they're going through this thing too too. So the strategy
Speaker 1: you just talked about, which is right, and you're right,
Speaker 1: he's getting in the sweet spot where he can still
Speaker 1: score the basketball. But guess what I'm gonna do. Let
Speaker 1: me see if these other guys can make this shot.
Speaker 1: Let me just trup one game. Let me just trup
Speaker 1: one up to two doing it that way. Let me
Speaker 1: see if these guys can make it. Let me see
Speaker 1: if a guy can step up and make it. Every
Speaker 1: you throw this, Joe, everybody ready for that that that
Speaker 1: kool aid may not get no sugar in a right
Speaker 1: down at the time that kool aid.
Speaker 2: Don't go on there?
Speaker 1: Did that kool aid got put some sugar in a
Speaker 1: be a little bitter? All them guys have ready to
Speaker 1: take them shots.
Speaker 2: Now, God love him, says You're absolutely right, O Joe.
Speaker 1: You look at the man had twenty four shots and
Speaker 1: no and no free throw and no as so you
Speaker 1: knew early on with a y'all better get it off
Speaker 1: the glass.
Speaker 2: You want to shot, get it off the glass. Because
Speaker 2: I ain't passing.
Speaker 3: Listening, I was gonna ask you, right, so think about
Speaker 3: this with the paces right when it comes to trapping.
Speaker 3: When it comes to trapping, GA that the mounting energy
Speaker 3: you have to exert to trap him, whether it be
Speaker 3: at half for it, whether it be at the top
Speaker 3: of the key, depending.
Speaker 2: On where he is on the court, does it hurt them?
Speaker 3: The paces on the office and exert that much any
Speaker 3: energy defensively in just one player as opposed to let him.
Speaker 2: Do what he does.
Speaker 1: Nah. Only reason why not because they scored by they
Speaker 1: random into you absolutely commit. They're a random team, so
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily It's not like you using that's this
Speaker 1: hypotheta saying Kobe Brown and Michael Jordan and Lombron James
Speaker 1: and those guys are running around trapping. You're talking about
Speaker 1: a team that's that's random anyway offensively, So why not
Speaker 1: double them? I just say, let's try something else. I
Speaker 1: just I can't feel comfortable if I'm an Indiana Pacers coach,
Speaker 1: if I'm a player knowing that we left shape beat
Speaker 1: us and I'm not taking anything away from the other guys.
Speaker 1: But he can't dictate this pace all the way through.
Speaker 1: We watched Joker do this back to back two years
Speaker 1: in a row, try to dictate the pace, dictate everything.
Speaker 1: I'm not letting one guy dictate the pace on me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna double make somebody else beat me. That's what
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that's what certain guys have made heroes, Guys
Speaker 1: that we talk about. The sixth, seventh, eighth gall of Team,
Speaker 1: we we always talking about them. I've been a Chicago
Speaker 1: guy affair. I would say I wanted time, but I
Speaker 1: remember Steve Kurrk, John Packson, you know, Horse Grant be
Speaker 1: on one and ten Luke Low because those guys had
Speaker 1: to make big shots and make big plays. I agree
Speaker 1: because Michael Jordan got double team. Michael still got his
Speaker 1: thirty and forty had his moments. But those why remember
Speaker 1: those guys, their household names of Chicago, me living in here.
Speaker 1: People loved them to death because they made big shots
Speaker 1: in these moments. I gotta make if I'm gonna lose,
Speaker 1: to feel good going home in the summer, I gotta
Speaker 1: be like, hey, that that second, you know it. Those
Speaker 1: other guys beat me. We did the best job we
Speaker 1: could do on Shae get because Alexander Andiana just like that,
Speaker 1: giving them. They can't coned you too. You can't have both.
Speaker 1: I gotta make you can't. They got go ahead, Joe,
Speaker 1: give give. We gotta give Rick Carlis some credit, dude, guys,
Speaker 1: because he's made adjustments. When we said, hey, look man,
Speaker 1: you gotta switch up that pick and roll defense, he
Speaker 1: did that turnshe over had him a little flustered in
Speaker 1: Game three, and you know they was able to pull
Speaker 1: the pull the game out. I think come down game five,
Speaker 1: Yeah to one. Like y'all said, I think he will
Speaker 1: start sending a double. Even if he isolated the top,
Speaker 1: they may just send another guy. But I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: Rick Carli has been great throughout this postseason. I can
Speaker 1: see him making that adjustment right there just to where Okay,
Speaker 1: if he get it in this sweet spot, if he
Speaker 1: about to go, he put it on the floor.
Speaker 2: We coming, we coming.
Speaker 1: So I look forward to the Pacers making the make
Speaker 1: an adjustment in Game five, and because it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough ony.
Speaker 2: Ok see, man, they gonna be ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, Indiana had some breakdowns
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. You saw Check get a put
Speaker 1: back dump. They got a couple of putbacks in there
Speaker 1: because the rotation wasn't what it needed to be. And
Speaker 1: you have a lapse, and you know, you get fatigued
Speaker 1: or you see field the momentum slipping away. But you've
Speaker 1: got to stay focused. That's the thing about in sports.
Speaker 1: When the rubber needs to meet the roll. If it's
Speaker 1: late in the ball game, say the last five or
Speaker 1: six minutes in a football game, the last five minutes
Speaker 1: in a basketball game, or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: you've got the maintainer level of focus because a momentary
Speaker 1: slip could be the difference in winning and losing.
Speaker 2: The ball game. And I thought Indiana had some lapses
Speaker 2: in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Late in the ball game, Check get a put back dunk,
Speaker 1: Caruso got a rebound. And but like I said, I
Speaker 1: thought Caruso to night, Caruso had his Mathroom moment like
Speaker 1: Mathron had his twenty seven and game three game, I
Speaker 1: thought Caruso was really the difference, especially early, like he
Speaker 1: didn't do a whole lot late, but earling the ball
Speaker 1: he was sensation. Hey, look, I ain't think Hartenstein played great,
Speaker 1: but he played well enough. Like we say, with that
Speaker 1: big line up, especially in their fourth quarter down the stretch,
Speaker 1: they got some easy extra second chance points.
Speaker 2: And that's what we was talking about.
Speaker 1: You play that small ball toe you don't get them,
Speaker 1: you don't get them extra them second chance points. I
Speaker 1: thought Hearnstein had a couple of tip back tip outs
Speaker 1: to where they tipped it back after where they got
Speaker 1: a second opportunity and they scored on them on them baskets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my last thing I'm gonna add to Joe into this situation,
Speaker 1: just so you can hit me out on this. As
Speaker 1: a guy who played and we played it against the
Speaker 1: guy Dirt Nowinsky in the two thousands and in the
Speaker 1: finals of two thousand and six, it kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of a you know, of a Shade and the
Speaker 1: way the team is kind of constructed as far as I.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but what we did with them, what we
Speaker 2: did with Dirt.
Speaker 1: He so you Donna's Hausen, who was probably the best
Speaker 1: defender on he saw James Posey, Our guarded them, myself, Zog,
Speaker 1: so you four or five different defenders on that guy.
Speaker 1: It's a different look. We didn't stop Dirt. I would
Speaker 1: never be the first. I'll be the first to admit
Speaker 1: his numbers speak for itself. In the finals against US
Speaker 1: in six, we didn't stop them, but we gave him
Speaker 1: different looks. So I make that point to say, stop
Speaker 1: giving Shade the same looks. Dumple them a little bit,
Speaker 1: get it out of his hands sometime now, force him
Speaker 1: to do something else. Shane's not a great three point shooter, no,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Make him shoot the threes.
Speaker 2: Side on him a little bit.
Speaker 1: I just hate when you keep doing the same thing
Speaker 1: at thinking that now you gotta change it up. Put
Speaker 1: some put some mind, put some thought in his mind.
Speaker 1: He may have to change this game up a little bit.
Speaker 1: But he knows right now, he knows every sweet squaddy
Speaker 1: get into. He knows when you're coming, you're not giving
Speaker 1: me no doubles. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, the
Speaker 1: greatest players that ever play this game, has got double
Speaker 1: team all of a sudden shade. Don't get double team
Speaker 1: for a reason when you're giving up one twenty shape yea,
Speaker 1: If I'm giving up one twenty, y'all might as well
Speaker 1: double man. If they make open three that make up
Speaker 1: for three, I might as won double we plan in
Speaker 1: the one twenties. Anyway, I'm gonna play. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: play that way, So why not double Respect the man
Speaker 1: for being an MVP. He didn't win the war overnight.
Speaker 1: He ironed it. He was the best player in the league.
Speaker 1: He could have won or two years in a row.
Speaker 1: The dudes on the road. You gotta respect what he's
Speaker 1: doing right now, and that's double them and make somebody
Speaker 1: else beat me. And until Indiana makes that commitment, they
Speaker 1: probably not gonna get out the series.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, all right, we're gonna move on.
Speaker 1: Josh Hart issued a warning about those talking about Thibodeau.
Speaker 1: He said, all y'all talking trash about thebs lame his hells.
Speaker 1: A different direction was taken, but y'all should be appreciative
Speaker 1: for what he did for the team and the organization.
Speaker 1: What I didn't understand, and it's baffling to me. And
Speaker 1: I said this, How you gonna fire man and you
Speaker 1: don't have somebody already lined up?
Speaker 2: You gonna fire man?
Speaker 1: And then you talk about you want to go talk
Speaker 1: to other people, people that already got jobs.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let you. They're not gonna let you
Speaker 2: talk to their coach.
Speaker 1: It's like me, I'm gonna sell my house, but I
Speaker 1: ain't got no place to stay. What damn, oh, y'all
Speaker 1: I need to have? Hey, I gotta temb houses. I
Speaker 1: got something already lined up. This looks so bad if
Speaker 1: the Knicks knew how bad they look currently because now
Speaker 1: you're asking for permission. Can we talk to Jason Kidd? Okay,
Speaker 1: we talked to Ime Doka. Can we talk to this one?
Speaker 1: Can we talk to that one. No, no, no, Now
Speaker 1: you spent your attention and it seems like Brown, Mike
Speaker 1: Brown or Taylor Jenkins who at the at the Grizzly
Speaker 1: they seem to be the number one contenders. This is
Speaker 1: a bad look. I'm not saying. Look, you can say
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. Okay, maybe Tims need to go.
Speaker 1: He's grinding gets guys down too much in the regular season.
Speaker 1: But at least have a plan. Okay, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: rid of Tims. This is who we want. But you're
Speaker 1: probably want to have somebody lined up that doesn't have
Speaker 1: a job, because the likelihood of somebody.
Speaker 2: I'm a Doka was in the playoff they had the
Speaker 2: number two seed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm just a Jason Kidd like hold on, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like the Knicks, but we're gonna get Kyrie back.
Speaker 2: I got anthro the David and we're gonna have the
Speaker 2: number one pick in Cooper flag. Why I want to.
Speaker 3: Go nont But hey, Torn, and I mean torn, Uncle Joe,
Speaker 3: you gotta think about it, right, this is a player move.
Speaker 2: Though this is a player move the players. Someone had
Speaker 2: to someone had to.
Speaker 3: Say something to the folks upstairs, the upper management about
Speaker 3: TIBs again. You hear all the time about him grinding
Speaker 3: his players and the regular season in the postseason and
Speaker 3: playing too many minutes and then tired themselves out and
Speaker 3: not really being able to play.
Speaker 2: Towards end the games.
Speaker 3: Because most of the time in business, when it comes
Speaker 3: when you're gonna fire a coach, you already have somebody.
Speaker 3: You already have a successor in mind and in order
Speaker 3: before you even fire somebody. Most of the time, I know,
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not tripping it. In football, it's the
Speaker 3: same way. If you get head coach, you're already know
Speaker 3: who's the next person gonna be. Now, you don't see
Speaker 3: anything publicly, but behind closed doors, you would have made
Speaker 3: the call and you already got your eyes got it,
Speaker 3: and you got damn t's crossed. Before you fire anybody.
Speaker 1: You just in college toy before you go. You know,
Speaker 1: in college sports they do this all the time. Got fired,
Speaker 1: got Let me go talk to somebody from Texas, Let
Speaker 1: me talk to somebody from Alabama, let me talk to
Speaker 1: somebody from LSU. Will know to Dame and you can
Speaker 1: offer him ten fifteen. But you don't see that in
Speaker 1: pro sports. You don't see somebody saying, Okay, John, I
Speaker 1: mean it's happened. Hasn't happen in football? You remember John Druden.
Speaker 1: He had a job and he ended up going to Tampa.
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick had a job with the Jets, he goes
Speaker 1: to the Patriots. I think Herm Edwards had a job
Speaker 1: and he ended up going elsewhere. But it doesn't happen
Speaker 1: in pro basketball. So I agree with you, Joe, Like
Speaker 1: you said, if I'm gonna get rid of something, do
Speaker 1: not need to have something already lined up. Oh I'm
Speaker 1: selling my car. You already got a car. No, I
Speaker 1: ain't got no car. I just go I'm gonna figure
Speaker 1: out what's get rid of what. You will figure it
Speaker 1: out once you get rid of yours. You figure it
Speaker 1: out before you get rid of yours. So that way
Speaker 1: is a seamless transition. Go ahead, guys, Let me let
Speaker 1: me just say this. I think when you look at this, guys,
Speaker 1: and I know you guys have had many comments on
Speaker 1: this I've been on but you look at a city
Speaker 1: that probably thought that team was better than what they were,
Speaker 1: and you're looking at the organization up top that probably
Speaker 1: thought that team was better than what they was. You
Speaker 1: played against the Boston self team and lost Jason Tatum.
Speaker 1: Let's not devalue how good Jason Tatum is. So you
Speaker 1: was able to get by and put yourself in position
Speaker 1: to possibly get to the finals. That's cool, But the
Speaker 1: problem is the next roster is not good enough to
Speaker 1: win an NBA title. Let's get us that roster is
Speaker 1: not good enough to win it. It's not Tim's fault.
Speaker 1: I think Tim has done an excellent job to be
Speaker 1: able to get what he got out that group, to
Speaker 1: make them relevant, to make them a really good playoff team.
Speaker 1: But now you get the bus, the fans coming to
Speaker 1: the game, you got the celebrities, you got all the
Speaker 1: stars coming to the game. Everybody's starting to think about championship.
Speaker 1: You have to build towards that. You gotta have the
Speaker 1: white personnel, and that's unfortunate that Doland don't understand that
Speaker 1: you put a good product on the floor and you've
Speaker 1: gave the Knicks fans something to cheer about. Appreciate that part.
Speaker 1: If you able to get over the hump, you get
Speaker 1: over the hump, but you don't have the right personnel
Speaker 1: to get over the hup. You still got the Pacers
Speaker 1: the team that's played you last three four years. The
Speaker 1: Pacers team has been together four years. Yeah, yeah, they've
Speaker 1: been together four years. The boss and stuff is that
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum don't get hurt. Were probably talking to having
Speaker 1: a whole different conversation right now, So you got to
Speaker 1: put that in perspective. That's what I don't like the
Speaker 1: fact that they fired Tears because it wasn't his fault.
Speaker 1: He's done a great job with the group that he's had, and.
Speaker 2: That's been him. I saw him in Chicago. I saw
Speaker 2: first hands.
Speaker 1: I saw him have a great point guard and Derrick
Speaker 1: Rose ride that point guard and build that team around
Speaker 1: defense and a great point guard. He did the same
Speaker 1: thing in New York with Rick Brunson and what they
Speaker 1: built there, and they're successful. They're very good playoffs. That's
Speaker 1: gonna compete night in, night out sometimes and joking contest
Speaker 1: to this and even oh Joe Shall you could test
Speaker 1: this too. As athletes, we obviously want to win a championship.
Speaker 1: That's the go, but sometimes you just not there. You
Speaker 1: just can't get over them. You can need a little luck.
Speaker 1: You need to stay a little injury free. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You gotta stay a little injury free.
Speaker 1: I have had a little luck, but sometimes it just
Speaker 1: don't happen. The good organizations stick with you and build
Speaker 1: on that. That's why I like the Patients because that
Speaker 1: group has been together now three four years. That's what
Speaker 1: makes the end of the Patients kind of special, because
Speaker 1: that's why I root for them, because they one of
Speaker 1: the few organizations that's stuck with their court guys and
Speaker 1: giving them a real chance to see if they can
Speaker 1: actually get it done. And they're in the finals right
Speaker 1: now to two with a chance to get it done.
Speaker 1: The next is that's a bad decision that Tims is
Speaker 1: a great coach. He has his question marks or how
Speaker 1: he how he rest is guys and how we obviously
Speaker 1: he wears guys out. But besides that, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: nothing but win. I was in Chicago. He's you number
Speaker 1: win in Chicago and he has done number winning New York.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the man lose his job. Stop
Speaker 1: putting championship on everybody. You gotta have the person now.
Speaker 1: To win a championship, you gotta have you gotta.
Speaker 2: Have a personnel, man.
Speaker 1: I think I think they felt they had to make
Speaker 1: a decision. Fellas you know what I'm saying. Considering the
Speaker 1: fact that they lost to the Pacers two years in
Speaker 1: a row, you know, they felt like they had to
Speaker 1: make a move to you know, maybe maybe a license
Speaker 1: Fi and some guys, because for me, I felt the
Speaker 1: Knicks had I felt they got a pretty good team.
Speaker 2: Now they ain't deep, they ain't no d team.
Speaker 1: But when you know and and Nobly and uh what
Speaker 1: Bridge bridges like, those dudes gotta do more. You know
Speaker 1: with Brusson, you know kind of uh holding the ball
Speaker 1: for so long, I think you you depend on them
Speaker 1: for so much.
Speaker 2: That you know, those guys really don't have rhythm.
Speaker 1: They don't have no rhythm in continuity outside of playing
Speaker 1: hard and playing good defense. So I felt the Knicks,
Speaker 1: fell Man, weren't lost to this team two years in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 2: We gotta do something. We gotta make a move.
Speaker 1: And y'all know the players make a lot of money,
Speaker 1: so you know it's gonna be the first one to go.
Speaker 2: The coach gotta go first. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The problem that the Knicks, you know what the problem
Speaker 1: The Knicks had expectations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dame Liler toy A kileis okay.
Speaker 1: So now they're only one guy that can beat us
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, Jason Tatum goes down.
Speaker 2: So now it's smooth sailing.
Speaker 1: We got the Indiana Pacers and we're home, so we
Speaker 1: should we should be able to so once it because
Speaker 1: eight nobody had the Knicks going to the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: at the start of the Eastern Conference playoffs nobody. But
Speaker 1: what happened was you get, you get Dame goes down,
Speaker 1: you get Jason Tatum goes down. Uh, Indiana beat Cleveland,
Speaker 1: the Knicks beat Boston, Oh we got we got the Pacers.
Speaker 1: If so, now the expectation is exponedential and so now
Speaker 1: when it doesn't happen, oh, it's Tim's fault. It's Tim's fault.
Speaker 1: But damn he did a great job to get at
Speaker 1: y'all there. And then you don't have a backup plan.
Speaker 1: You don't if let's just say, for the sake of argument,
Speaker 1: they wanted to move in a different direction, and they said, well,
Speaker 1: we were thinking about this the whole season, and we're
Speaker 1: not gonna let go into the Eastern Conference finals. Deter us,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be your coach? If Dallas pad Jason Kidd, Okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta go. You got got no problem If one
Speaker 1: of the coaches that you're trying to get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to gets fired, Okay, what happens if they don't?
Speaker 2: Who is your coach? Man?
Speaker 1: It's it's some other good veteran coaches out here, because
Speaker 1: obviously that's what they're looking for, some guy, some guy
Speaker 1: who's been around, some guy who's won. And there's a
Speaker 1: few of them out here, man, And I'm sure they'll
Speaker 1: find somebody. But ye had to be looking for guys
Speaker 1: who are already in great coaching situations. Hell, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be trying to leave neither. But see you say they
Speaker 1: are great coaches out there. If they were, if the
Speaker 1: Knicks one of those guys, they would have never asked
Speaker 1: permission to interview somebody that already had a job, because
Speaker 1: if you believe somebody is already available, Hey, you believe
Speaker 1: somebody's available, I don't need to talk to anybody else.
Speaker 2: What I'm looking for is right there.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to give up draft compensation and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to pay an overpay because if
Speaker 1: you trying, if you got a job, what's the situation.
Speaker 1: What makes you think I'm not leaving my job unless
Speaker 1: I get assurances. You're gonna have to give me a
Speaker 1: contract before I leave. Man, he no assurance in us.
Speaker 1: Now I take this, I say, yeah, I'll interview. They
Speaker 1: grant me position, give a permission to go interview for
Speaker 1: the job. I don't get the job, and the team
Speaker 1: that I left say, nah, were good. We going to
Speaker 1: different direction now you Nona, Hey, Shinea, Joe Chad. Let
Speaker 1: me just tell you this weren't there. We weren't in
Speaker 1: the room. I can just a massive being in the room.
Speaker 1: You got Wes, Leon Rose, all these different guys in
Speaker 1: the room. If y'all, y'all, masterman, y'all come up. We
Speaker 1: need to fire Tims. It's something wrong. That's what those
Speaker 1: guys thought about. And like you just said, you just
Speaker 1: made it out a point.
Speaker 2: You don't have.
Speaker 1: Another coach already lined up. It ain't the coaching. Tims
Speaker 1: got you over the other. He built the culture, He
Speaker 1: started the culture there, so why would you take him
Speaker 1: out of the spot that he's in. Sometime you gotta
Speaker 1: look at your personnel. Don't get me wrong, I think
Speaker 1: the Knicks are a very good team. Do I think
Speaker 1: they're a championship team? Absolutely not. But they are a
Speaker 1: very good team. But also say this, and Joe, you
Speaker 1: can you understand that your best player six to one,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard. And I'm not saying that your
Speaker 1: best player is six' one.
Speaker 2: Championship with, That.
Speaker 1: Steph curry is one of the top ten players to
Speaker 1: ever played the. Game we're not Talking we're not talking about.
Speaker 1: Him we're talking About Rick, bruston who's a very good.
Speaker 1: Player to, me is all the fame. Player he is
Speaker 1: all The fame. PLAYER i got all the respect For Rick,
Speaker 1: Bruston but your best player Is Rick. Brusson call out
Speaker 1: The towns is a great number two or number. Three,
Speaker 1: yeah they tried them once with him In. Minnesota he's
Speaker 1: a great number two or number. Three AND i like
Speaker 1: the way call that The towns has praised since he
Speaker 1: been in. There but, no you like the way he
Speaker 1: played the last couple of games getting to the Red,
Speaker 1: no he off was too much round the three port
Speaker 1: light of twe he. Does but, say you gotta realize.
Speaker 1: This you gotta bring your expectations to Real this was
Speaker 1: most of most of these.
Speaker 2: Teams you gotta have real.
Speaker 1: Expectations you're building something, There you're building a situation where
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to compete maybe for the next
Speaker 1: five or six, years and give you a fan base
Speaker 1: something to cheer. About do That tims has did. That
Speaker 1: you gotta do. That sometimes you can't Cut he's built
Speaker 1: the culture. There get that man of chance to continue
Speaker 1: to build and add a piece of.
Speaker 2: Two your best player can't be sixty. One.
Speaker 1: Man i'm just trying to tell you that's what they think.
Speaker 1: About knowing, well it wasn't they gave Up it was
Speaker 1: it Wasn't. Tim they gave up five first round draft
Speaker 1: picks For Michel. Bridges, yeah so now you really Don't
Speaker 1: so what AM i Gonna what AM i gonna?
Speaker 2: TRY i, mean you, say, WELL i want this, guy
Speaker 2: want that.
Speaker 1: Guy you don't have draft, capital and so you want
Speaker 1: to try to keep your car. Together you want to
Speaker 1: probably try to keep o G you probably want to
Speaker 1: try to Keep Josh hart because he's Your Swiss Harby.
Speaker 2: Knight he's the guy that does it.
Speaker 1: All he played, defense he can, assist he can, rebound
Speaker 1: he could score a. Little you're not counting on him
Speaker 1: to go give you twenty a, night but if he
Speaker 1: can give you ten to, twelve ten to. Fourteen he
Speaker 1: gonna give you six or seven. Rebounds he's gonna give
Speaker 1: you six to, seven, eight, nine ten or. Six sometimes
Speaker 1: he'll give you a triple. Double so and you want
Speaker 1: o g but you. Don't you're not. Deep you got
Speaker 1: five guys in your probably you normally go too deep
Speaker 1: off the. Bench you Go, miles you Go miles, McBride
Speaker 1: and you go, uhh and you Go, Mitchell Mitchell. Robinson
Speaker 1: that's really all you. Go, now you Let Landry shammitt
Speaker 1: play a little bit late in the ball, game late
Speaker 1: in the, series but that's not you only play five.
Speaker 2: Guys you don't have a deep.
Speaker 1: Team so and and so when and like you, said,
Speaker 1: guys you're six one. Guy well you're talking about What
Speaker 1: Steph curry was only six, Too But Steph curry's. Transcended
Speaker 1: Tell Steph curry is a historically great. Player isaiah was
Speaker 1: the leader of his. Team but you can't just say
Speaker 1: just because somebody could score thirty or to give a
Speaker 1: night so oh, yeah he could lead a. Team it's
Speaker 1: more to that than you just scoring back. Buckets, YEAH i,
Speaker 1: AGREE i. AGREE i think they top, five they starting.
Speaker 1: Five they can compete with anybody in the. League but
Speaker 1: it's the, depth you, know when you don't have a
Speaker 1: depth like a lot of these teams have out of
Speaker 1: like An, indiana like AN, okc somebody who can come
Speaker 1: off your bench and win you a game or two
Speaker 1: in the. Postseason, toe, Oh, jo it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to win because you put so much pressure on this
Speaker 1: On Jalen, Brunson.
Speaker 2: Cat you, know you put so.
Speaker 1: Much you put so much on this on those guys
Speaker 1: for them to come out and be consistent every, night
Speaker 1: to give you thirty plus points just for you to
Speaker 1: just for you to win a.
Speaker 2: Game AND i think that's tough for.
Speaker 1: Them SO i think as far as depth, wise they
Speaker 1: got to bring them, guys some help, man some guys
Speaker 1: that can come off that bitch and infect the game
Speaker 1: in a different.
Speaker 2: Way, well we knew game after. Game well let me
Speaker 2: just go after this.
Speaker 1: One Joe, andocho we were on and we, said after game,
Speaker 1: one The knicks are in. Trouble you got forty three From,
Speaker 1: brunson you got thirty fix From call after the, towns
Speaker 1: and you still. Lost AND i asked the, QUESTION i, say,
Speaker 1: so what's the likelihood that they can score forty plus
Speaker 1: and thirty and over thirty, five and because if you
Speaker 1: still get that many think about how many points you
Speaker 1: got from your two big, guns and they shot a great,
Speaker 1: percentage they were, very very, efficient and you. Lost if
Speaker 1: they gave you anything less than, that they're a great
Speaker 1: likelihood you were going to lose this. Series and So
Speaker 1: i'm not surprised they lost this series considering game. One
Speaker 1: but the QUESTION i would to pose you there were
Speaker 1: reports that some of the players thought That Rick, Brunson
Speaker 1: Jalen brunson's dad who's an, assistant had too much say
Speaker 1: is this some move or they trying to Get rick
Speaker 1: bru with a worldwide west Of Leon.
Speaker 2: Rose would they give that job To Rick. Brunson, NAH
Speaker 2: i don't think they won't give it to. Him but
Speaker 2: let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Something as a as an assistant, coach and you guys know,
Speaker 1: this we all play. Sports he's supposed to have an
Speaker 1: opinion with gods of my sons on the.
Speaker 2: Staff EITHER i want to take pride in my.
Speaker 1: Job IF i was assistant coach with, MYSELF i still
Speaker 1: want the other guys to respect.
Speaker 2: Me you gotta have an. Opinion we don't know.
Speaker 1: How tills felt About Rick bruston he played for, him
Speaker 1: he prayed for him when he was with the next
Speaker 1: he he already Know. Rick what if he Thinks Rick
Speaker 1: BASKETBALL iq is for the, Roof we don't know. That
Speaker 1: he's a part of his. Staff it ain't just but
Speaker 1: this is the. Pros it's not, college this not high. School,
Speaker 1: well you got to bring the dad in sometimes to
Speaker 1: get the kid to come the. Pros he probably really,
Speaker 1: Felt he probably really Trusted Rick. Basketball he probably really
Speaker 1: trust his. Opinion SO i can't say That i'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do. That And Ellen brusting has been nothing but
Speaker 1: great since he's been with The. Knicks with his.
Speaker 2: Dad on the.
Speaker 1: Bench it ain't too many guys that can say that
Speaker 1: that played well with his dad on the bench and
Speaker 1: gets it, done not, in not. Out it ain't too
Speaker 1: many guys that can say that that's not. It the
Speaker 1: problem with the THE nixt problem is the expectations are too.
Speaker 1: High don't your expectations hot because now you got a,
Speaker 1: buzz you had a great. Season take nothing away from
Speaker 1: that bill towards the. Championship take that luck this. Year
Speaker 1: make your lost guys come. Back add a piece of.
Speaker 1: Two you don't fire the, coach come. Back add one
Speaker 1: piece of. Two now you gotta hire a whole new,
Speaker 1: coach and now you feel like you Gotta now you
Speaker 1: gotta feel like you gotta add two three pieces to the.
Speaker 1: Bench think about it now you think now you now
Speaker 1: you really messed. Up well you could have just easy, said,
Speaker 1: hey well we've dropped the. Ball we're gonna be back next.
Speaker 1: Year maybe you may add another piece off the, bench
Speaker 1: maybe two pieces that can help you out and get
Speaker 1: you over the. Hub you Got Jason, Tatum Who's i'm
Speaker 1: looking at? Everything If I'm Jason, tatum probably when coming,
Speaker 1: Back tatum not coming, Back tatum not coming back until twenty,
Speaker 1: six you could.
Speaker 2: Know What i'm.
Speaker 1: Saying he's not. Coming he's not. Coming he's not coming
Speaker 1: back this. Year he coming back in twenty seventh. Season
Speaker 1: so think All i'm worried about right? Now If i'm
Speaker 1: looking in The, East, okay the pace is gonna be
Speaker 1: good again next. Year milwaukee's Probably i'm looking At i'm
Speaker 1: looking at they ain't not coming back Right so Now
Speaker 1: i'm in the Next so What i'm gonna blow up?
Speaker 1: For that's why you know management is bad up top
Speaker 1: got up and plus let's See Cleveland. CLEVELAND i don't Think.
Speaker 1: Cleveland cleveland's not in a position to make a. Move
Speaker 1: so they Got, theyok they coming. Back let's see what
Speaker 1: the heat. Does obviously he's gonna make a run At Kevin.
Speaker 1: Durant why wouldn't. You but they're not gonna be the
Speaker 1: only one that can make a run At Kevin. Durant
Speaker 1: do they have enough, assets do they have enough pieces
Speaker 1: or what are they willing to give up to Get Kevin.
Speaker 1: Durant now you read that The suns are dropping their
Speaker 1: asking price BECAUSE i, mean he's thirty seven and he's
Speaker 1: kind of he's been he's injury From is he a great? Player,
Speaker 1: Yes but if you go back and look At vandon rams,
Speaker 1: history he's been, nicked he's myth time knee ankled, Issues
Speaker 1: so that weighs. In that's dropping his. Price and just
Speaker 1: Because McHale bridges went for five first round, picks everybody
Speaker 1: gonna be that. Dog just Because rudy gober went for
Speaker 1: four first round, picks everybody gonna be that.
Speaker 2: Dog you know Why Kevin DURANT kV.
Speaker 1: Moved he makes fifty five fifty six million dollars next,
Speaker 1: year so he's not gonna be you, know somebody got
Speaker 1: to take him at thirty, seven thirty eight years. Old
Speaker 1: we all KNOW kd can produce at that. Number that's
Speaker 1: not a. Problem he's gonna give you twenty five thirty
Speaker 1: points a. Night it depends on what your organizations wanting
Speaker 1: to give up a couple of their drive picks to
Speaker 1: get A kd at a younger. AGE i mean at
Speaker 1: an older. Age i'm, sorry at an older. Age that's
Speaker 1: all it comes. Down so he's gonna. Produce kd's gonna be.
Speaker 1: There he's a he's a, baller he's a. Scorer you
Speaker 1: know what you're give him WITH.
Speaker 2: Kd the problem is his numbers.
Speaker 1: High you talk about the guy that makes fifty plus
Speaker 1: fifty plus, Million you gotta decide what you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Do do we want.
Speaker 1: To put fifty in a guy that's thirty six thirty
Speaker 1: seven years old and see if we can get two
Speaker 1: years out of. Him that's why he looks good for
Speaker 1: The Houston. Rockets The Houston rockets can use a veteran
Speaker 1: guy that can score the. Basketball, yeah got some young
Speaker 1: they got some young, assets and you could put what
Speaker 1: that little core they got and maybe get them over
Speaker 1: the Hum we just Watched houston the playoffs dominate number two. Seeds,
Speaker 1: yeah we miss watch, them but they. Misscoring If i'm
Speaker 1: the they miss, scoring they missed a guy to be
Speaker 1: able to go to to get them a. Bucket K
Speaker 1: d fills that gap if you have assets to. Move
Speaker 1: it's all about assets with K. D K d still
Speaker 1: at that, level it's a matter of what's two one
Speaker 1: age for a guy who's probably got two years at
Speaker 1: the level of they his playing at right, now his
Speaker 1: number is, high it becomes a number. Game do you
Speaker 1: what can you give? Up because he's making he'll make
Speaker 1: fifty sixty million dollars a. Year that's how that comes
Speaker 1: down TO. Kd he's.
Speaker 2: There what you, think, You Joe.
Speaker 1: Man If i'm The, Pistons i'm trying to add him
Speaker 1: to this young group of guys THAT i have With
Speaker 1: cade and them young dolls that you got over, THERE
Speaker 1: i think THAT i think he'll fit seamlessly over, there
Speaker 1: toe and. Oho you know WHAT i, mean because he's
Speaker 1: a bona fide.
Speaker 2: Scorer. Bro we know.
Speaker 1: That. Now you could, say, oh he thirty, seven but
Speaker 1: he got at least another couple of, years another good
Speaker 1: couple of years in him and playing on the team like.
Speaker 1: That w he don't have to do that much dirty work,
Speaker 1: defensively you know WHAT i. Mean he can just be
Speaker 1: smooth and go out there and give you a cool
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty two a, night because that's what
Speaker 1: they was missing in the.
Speaker 2: Postseason man Ain't. Joe, Look i'm on.
Speaker 1: This i'm on, this, this this show right now with
Speaker 1: three athletic guys that took care of every body's great.
Speaker 2: Shape. Guys you guys know THAT kd is one of those.
Speaker 1: Guys, yeah take care of his. Body he gonna get
Speaker 1: two more. Years that's why bron is still. Playing you,
Speaker 1: know you guys aren't lead. CLASS i didn't do what
Speaker 1: you guys did as far as body. Wise you guys
Speaker 1: are elite guys that took care of they body throughout their.
Speaker 1: CAREER kd can give you two, Years, Joe, yeah he
Speaker 1: can give you two years.
Speaker 2: At a high.
Speaker 1: Level, hey think about it to, one especially playing in The. East,
Speaker 1: well you you already Know. BOSTON i, mean they gonna
Speaker 1: they probably gonna be decent, still but you know With,
Speaker 1: tatum they ain't gonna be they a't gonna Be boston
Speaker 1: with our, Tape, look at look At Dame. Milwaukee dang
Speaker 1: gonna so the opportunity in The East, man it's wide, Open.
Speaker 1: Joe the problem is right now With. Boston it's the.
Speaker 1: Thing and we'll talk about this on some later. Shows
Speaker 1: but you got a new ownership, group they take it,
Speaker 1: over bring that. Up they gonna break it. Up, there
Speaker 1: you're gonna shine. IT i was you about to say?
Speaker 1: WHAT i was gonna shake. That it's a business decision for.
Speaker 1: Them they may, decide, hey they don't want to start
Speaker 1: off on the rear and and those type of. Salaries
Speaker 1: you got seven guys on The celtics making top. Dollar
Speaker 1: do they want to continue to pay. That i'm talking
Speaker 1: about The, pazingers The, HOLIDAYS i mean even even The
Speaker 1: Jack white here And Dareck white making one Of, hey
Speaker 1: you got so many guys on that team that's making big.
Speaker 2: Money you don't know what direction this new ownership may.
Speaker 1: Go we just saw The Dallas mavericks ownership take control
Speaker 1: and trade away they they most they franchised. Player we
Speaker 1: saw them trade Away. Luca so you don't. Know this
Speaker 1: new ownership make group may come in after they, pay
Speaker 1: whether they pay five billion dollars for The celtics without
Speaker 1: in the, run without in the. Arena same you got
Speaker 1: to think about they don't got an. Arena they might
Speaker 1: want to take care of the arena. First they might want
Speaker 1: to make sure they got in the arena they're playing.
Speaker 1: First so you, know these guys are. Businessman you don't
Speaker 1: know if THEY i can commit it to this type
Speaker 1: of winning and this type of salaries with these. Guys
Speaker 1: so we don't know what The celtics is gonna do right.
Speaker 1: Now so it's wide open right. Now that's what's crazy
Speaker 1: about The. Knicks you for a situation where things are wide. Open,
Speaker 1: well you got two top players on The Milwaukee bucks
Speaker 1: and on The Boston celtics that are coming out Torn.
Speaker 1: Achilles Two hall Of fame. PLAYERS i don't want to
Speaker 1: break that. Up One i'm gonna break the coach. Up
Speaker 1: i'm gonna give him another shot at. This, yeah you,
Speaker 1: know you gotta see what. Happens Call Anthony. Towns was
Speaker 1: hurt when you get one hundred percent Called Anthony towns
Speaker 1: That Indian Ana sirians may go. DIFFERENT i could be,
Speaker 1: wrong it may go, different but one hundred percent Called
Speaker 1: Anthony towns may change that. Serious he played great all.
Speaker 1: YEAR i thought he rejuvenated. HIMSELF i thought he had
Speaker 1: a monster. Year but you, know ain't got hurt at
Speaker 1: the end of the. Year he wasn't right at the
Speaker 1: end of the. YEAR i ain't Gonna i'm not gonna
Speaker 1: beat him. Up i'm not gonna beat up on him like.
Speaker 1: That he wasn't right at the end of the year health,
Speaker 1: wise and it cost Step. Bo thank you for joining us, tonight.
Speaker 1: Man we really appreciate you breaking down this. Game, okay
Speaker 1: see one Eleven indiana one oh. Four thanks for the. Insight,
Speaker 1: hey game, seven come back and join us if we
Speaker 1: go seven and break down who won and why they.
Speaker 2: Won oh, Yeah i'll be here, baby all. Right appreciate one.
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