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Speaker 1: thunder even the series Crew two two. Uh Shaye was sensational.

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Speaker 1: The first forty four minutes. Guys, he had two free throws.

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Speaker 1: was ten of ten for tonight. Jalen Williams was eleven

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Speaker 2: But I thought the guy that kept a minute, just

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Speaker 1: It was Alex Caruso. He was sensational the night. He

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Speaker 1: Obie Topping played well. They got what thirty five sixteen

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Speaker 1: Joe lem ask your question. Did the Thunder win this game?

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Speaker 2: Now? The Thunder wonning, Man, that is a great game.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of Teeter Titer pretty much throughout the

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Speaker 1: And with Indiana it's too much about committee. I don't

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Speaker 2: But when you're doing it by committee, it's tough man

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Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you had the Pacers to win the series,

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Speaker 3: Listen, obviously, what enough plays. I'm gonna piggyback off what

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Speaker 3: where you want to, Like Tawan say, they do everything

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Speaker 3: by committee, and it really ain't. Honestly, I think the

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Speaker 3: Pacers lost this game because of what the god damn

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about identity and she ain't gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: Oh do it, XGA do No matter what, He's always

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Speaker 3: about efficiency. He gonna take them out, sharing damn shots

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Speaker 3: and get his points. But the Thunder finally remember who

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Speaker 3: their biggs and what they did tonight went right back

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Speaker 3: to their big lineup. They had shtting On Wrenn and

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Speaker 3: What happened Chad had a double Dublin Hardestyn to have

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Speaker 2: The goddamn game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah Sga is the first player since Jerry West to

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Speaker 1: JOYDT pull that back up and Jaylen Williams had twenty

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Speaker 1: think Joe, you and I we questioned them switching their

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Speaker 1: lineups man. You in the finals, you got their won

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Speaker 1: sixty eight games, and with the exception of their Nuggets,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna give them that advantage. But your advantage

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Speaker 1: They dominated them on the glass, They turned them over,

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Speaker 2: You gotta have a guy that can go get you one.

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Speaker 1: So that's why you don't see a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: Really didn't know. Normally teams win championships.

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Speaker 1: They got a guy that we can give him the

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Speaker 1: that's not what Indiana have, and to their credit, they've

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Speaker 2: And we talked about this the other night, is that

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Speaker 1: Pascal can get hot, and we seen him get hot.

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Speaker 1: they're kicking himself. That is seven point lead, and they

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Speaker 2: He did, he did, he did, And so I was like, okay, man,

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Speaker 1: Seven point lead going into the fourth quarter and okay, see, like, nah,

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Speaker 3: Hey, Joe, Joe, I know it's by committee, but you

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Speaker 2: That's what they've done all season long.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what make the Pacers so goddamn

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Speaker 1: They were gonna pull it off.

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Speaker 2: I got listen.

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Speaker 1: I think I thought it was a hell of a game,

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Speaker 1: and four points. That's what Okay want. They don't want

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Speaker 1: that's that that helps the Pacers. For me, I feel

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Speaker 1: like Jalen Williams, he was like I know Shade had

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Speaker 2: I thought he'd done a great job night and keeping

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Speaker 1: And in the fourth quarter, I thought Shade came through

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Speaker 2: Man, it was. It was definitely a tight, close, niche game.

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Speaker 1: But with OKC, you know, being having their youth on

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Speaker 2: I think the thing is also twat.

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Speaker 1: And let me know what you think about this, the

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Speaker 1: shall only shot two free throws. The last four minutes

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Speaker 1: he shot eight free throws. How many three throws did

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Speaker 1: We talk about this all the time. If you turn

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Speaker 1: get down, they get two. But let me you make

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Speaker 2: When you talk.

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Speaker 2: The way they play has been terrific all year.

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Speaker 1: But when you do it by committee, it's always tough

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Speaker 1: by committey late you want to go to your best

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Speaker 1: How many times we've been watching the series, we don't

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Speaker 1: We don't know who's going to score for them late

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Speaker 1: You have to make an extra pass, Somebody has to

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Speaker 2: I know they haven't died with haling Bird making decisions late.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to him because he's my best

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Speaker 1: You gotta simplify the game late. It's not about that

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Speaker 1: I sold Joe. You've been in situation. You get the

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Speaker 2: You only gonna help. You don't even gonna help.

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Speaker 1: I played with a great one on one player, Paul

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough for them now. I don't want

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Speaker 1: Anything can go that way. Andrew's playing a part. God

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I can go home at night. Hey

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Speaker 1: They may have six guys in double figures. And that's

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 1: It's good you get five sis guys from sure, coaches

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Speaker 2: A torn ojo.

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Speaker 1: When you when you look at this game, I thought Indiana,

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 1: They all played them for three quarters, and in that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you can't. You can't beat them like that.

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Speaker 1: But you remember, guys, if we go back and look

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Speaker 1: Look at them when they played the Cavs, they were great.

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Speaker 1: Look at them when they played the Knicks, they've been great.

434
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Speaker 1: And even the first two games when the games were closed,

435
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Speaker 1: Game one, game three, look at how they prevailed tonight.

436
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 1: I thought they you know, and fourteen OKC had tennisists.

437
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,880
Speaker 1: Let us think it we were twelve was the last

438
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Speaker 1: time you ever played on the team that in the

439
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Speaker 1: NBA game only had tennisists in forty eight minutes, your

440
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Speaker 1: MVP your started.

441
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Speaker 2: Didn't even have He didn't have a assists.

442
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, you know, And go back to what

443
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: I said, though, Shannon, this guy is god time.

444
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Speaker 2: This ain't about the others. Ain't about to passing.

445
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Speaker 1: Huh No, It's about It's about the MVP who we

446
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Speaker 1: talk about the fourth course, who took control the game.

447
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: It's the reason why he got the reward. It's a

448
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 1: reason why we we named them the MVP of the NBA.

449
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: It's because he has the ability to close the game out.

450
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Speaker 1: When I think about Indiana, I don't know. And I

451
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I love Lumber, I love Titler.

452
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 1: I think he's great. He's a great player. He's played great. Well,

453
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about close it out and have that mentality.

454
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Speaker 1: It's a little different when you're the MVP and he

455
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Speaker 1: separated himself tonight. Are we okay in an NBA Finals

456
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: game with seventy one free throw attempts? That's wow, that's

457
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Speaker 1: a great question. Actually I'm not. This is my personal opinion.

458
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 1: I think that you know, you know at some point,

459
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Speaker 1: especially at this level, and the way these two teams play,

460
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 1: that both teams get up and down, they run, they're

461
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 1: not necessarily considering playing for the free throw line. This

462
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 1: is not a grinded out series. This is two teams

463
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Speaker 1: that want to play one fifteen one twenty.

464
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Speaker 2: So this is a game.

465
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Speaker 1: This is actually great for the referees because they don't

466
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: really have to get involved because both of these teams

467
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 1: like to get up and down and play the fast pace.

468
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Speaker 1: So it is something to think about. I mean, I

469
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Speaker 1: didn't look at that number. I'm glad you brought that

470
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Speaker 1: stet up. I didn't think about that, But that's something

471
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Speaker 1: really to think about because these two teams don't really

472
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: want to play in the nineties. They want to play

473
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Speaker 1: one fifteen one twenty if they can, so they're not

474
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Speaker 1: worried about the foul call. They want to get up

475
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Speaker 1: and down. So that's a great point. They go OKC

476
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: had twelve offensive rebounds, chat Hogrid had four, Hartenstein had three.

477
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: They so the two Bigs had seven of the twelve

478
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Speaker 1: offensive rebounds. Indiana only had seven offensive rebounds. They beat

479
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Speaker 1: them by ten. They were plus ten in the rebounding margin.

480
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Speaker 1: They did a great job. They did a better job

481
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Speaker 1: of taking care of the basketball tonight, okay see, okay,

482
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Speaker 1: se had gotten You know, they were starting.

483
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Speaker 2: To turn the ball over, and they really do a

484
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: great job of turning all over.

485
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Speaker 1: Jaylen Williams had four, but for the most part, you know,

486
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: Shaye only had two. Lou Dort had one, Honger and

487
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: had one, so then it really turned. They did a

488
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: great job of protecting the ball. But when you look

489
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: at them, they shoot you let okay see, okay see

490
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: shoot forty seven, forty eight in one game. I think

491
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: they were like fifty percent from the floor. You gonna

492
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Speaker 1: catch hell beating them because it's because they put so

493
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Speaker 1: much pressure on you.

494
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Speaker 2: The likelihood of you shooting fifty percent. Now we showed it.

495
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Speaker 1: I think we saw the other night in game three,

496
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Speaker 1: I think they shot fifty percent.

497
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: But okay, see, do a great job with all those

498
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Speaker 2: wing defended.

499
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Speaker 1: When you got Jaylen Williams, you got lou Dort, you

500
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: got Caruso, you got Wigged, you got Wallace, you got

501
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: guys that can.

502
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Speaker 2: Defend multiple, multiple possessions.

503
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Speaker 1: So in other words, hey we can slide hey close

504
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: out here, he give it up close out there, so

505
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be on your best behavior. I

506
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 1: just thought Indiana panic a little bit. They started shooting

507
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: some shots that they wouldn't normally take guys in the

508
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: fourth quarter because I think they can feel the movemental

509
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: start to slip, and everybody wanted to be that guy

510
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: to hit that big three, to quitible metal, to put

511
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: us back, to put us back in. Like, hey, everybody's

512
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: looking at hell. They moment talk about age the Steph Curry,

513
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: we good eight. Don't worry about me, don't like step

514
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: in it in the Olympics, don't worry about me.

515
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm okay, hey, and it got it got away from.

516
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: Them for me, it might have. He might have got

517
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: away from uncle. But I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna

518
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: tell you how it's gonna go. I told you how

519
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: to see I was gonna go. I told you how

520
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 3: well before it even started. I told you at this point,

521
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: at four games, it would be too to Joe, you

522
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: owe me some money. Nah, right now, I'm giving you

523
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: the opportunity. I'm giving you the opportunity, Joe. I'm giving

524
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Speaker 3: you the opportunities well to change your decision on who

525
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 3: you have with in the finals.

526
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Speaker 1: Man, you got Chill, you got Joe, you got you

527
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: got Chailly touring o Joe. When you look at OKC,

528
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: for me, I love the fact that they didn't settle

529
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: for the three. They shot seventeen threes, they made three

530
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Speaker 1: of them. They was getting to the cup. They was

531
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Speaker 1: putting the onus on the riff. You look at the

532
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: pacers that they doubled them in three point attempts, you

533
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

534
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: Like them guys was putting their head down for.

535
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: OKC getting to the cup, making plays and for whatever reason, uh,

536
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: it just wasn't much resistance there. I thought nim Hart,

537
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I thought he played great man for three quarters against Shaye.

538
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: The way he guarded them, yep, I agree. Look Shaye

539
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: a couple of.

540
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: Times he was like, man, y'all gonna bring that thing up.

541
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get down in position hey, because that boy

542
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: was on his back pockets. Man, he wasn't letting him

543
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: breathe I'm talking about busting through picks, just making him work.

544
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: You want to tire him out.

545
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Speaker 1: And like I said, I think when he caught his

546
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: second win because he got tired early, you know, he

547
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: was able to withstanding that and uh, and put his

548
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: stamp on the game.

549
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: Lay in that four quarter. You know what too, Joe,

550
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 2: I'm gonna add this.

551
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes as coaches, and I'm these coaches

552
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: get this thinge like you just talking about them are

553
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: playing great defense. Sometimes you gotta respect who the MVP is. Yeah,

554
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm tired of I'm watching these games now. The only

555
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: thing I cann't like. And we saw this and we've

556
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: watched basketball our whole life, all of us have. Now

557
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: somebody else got it beat me. I'm telled that we

558
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: should we shouldn't get coming on these shows talking about

559
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: Shade beat us. Now we know you know them guys

560
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: are great, but when you gonna send a double, well,

561
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna make somebody else beat us.

562
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: That's the thing I got a problem with.

563
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: Listen, all these coaches making four, five, ten, twelve, thirteen

564
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: million dollars, we firing t hims, We're doing all these

565
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: things to coach. But sometimes man as a coach, respect

566
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: the player, respect that this guy's skills say he's the

567
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: MVP for a reason. So if I'm gonna lose as

568
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: a coach, and I'm not the brightest guy that never

569
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: coached before in my life. But I played this game

570
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: my whole life. I'm gonna make somebody else beat me.

571
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just live and die. One thing I know.

572
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: It's a Chicago Bulls fan. It's a couple of great

573
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: shots that I always remember that Steve Kirk making a

574
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: three point shot against Utah bj Armshaw making big shots.

575
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: You know why, because Michael Jordan got double team and

576
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: he made the right play. That's what we used to

577
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: criticize Lebron and James. I Shay, I know you loved

578
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: le Bron. Wish to criticize Lebron James for not taking

579
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: those shots. He always made the right play. Sometimes force

580
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: these superstars to make the right play. That's the problem.

581
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: I can't just keep I'm not gonna let Shape beat me.

582
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go home at night and know that

583
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: I let Shade beat me in.

584
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: A one on one.

585
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: I sold well I could double team him or force

586
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: somebody else to beat me.

587
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: This is what we know. We say so many superstars.

588
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: You guys know this that we give guys high praise

589
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: because they made big shots and big moments. And not

590
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: to go ahead Robert Horvey, but Harbar Urdy made about

591
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: seven of them because you want a.

592
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Double team shot.

593
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: You want a double ting and Kobe, I'm gonna make

594
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,239
Speaker 1: this shot or dream or Kim Duncan if you let

595
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: a got her as the guy. The guy got twenty,

596
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: he got twenty. Shade had twenty four shot attempts and

597
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: ten free throws. So you let so and Joe we

598
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: talked about this, and know Joe, we were talking about

599
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: this bro getting you see Game three, they trapped it

600
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: did he tried to get in that picking roll that

601
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: trapped to make him get a ball up. He turned

602
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: it over. They got jump balls. Whatever the case may be.

603
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Stop letting him play one on one. The really every

604
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: great player in the NBA, if you let him play

605
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: one on one, they're gonna average thirty plus. You must,

606
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: you must. It's like a great receiver. Oh Joe, you

607
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: got the double it. I don't care how great your

608
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: dB is. They're gonna hey, hey, he gonna get it.

609
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: Now.

610
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: You keep PULLU and Poe. Oh man, we played what

611
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: we played. That's that's what we do. Okay, what we do.

612
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: What we do. Gonna have your home, tim but man,

613
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: and we were so close.

614
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: They ate. You just come back and get better next

615
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: your hell, now a towring. And I agree with y'all

616
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: sending the double. But here's one thing. You gotta take

617
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: a look at where he's ioing from, which is at

618
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: like the top of the key, kind of like a

619
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: little bit of butter free throw line. That's a hard

620
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: place to double. Man, that's a hard place to double.

621
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: So when I see them getting him in his spots,

622
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: that's pretty much where he operated from the night. You know,

623
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: get a double there, you know you're giving up something easy.

624
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: So I think Casey understood that, and the fact that

625
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: Shaye didn't have an assist. He had it on his

626
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: mind he was gonna play in that isolation and he

627
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: was gonna get to his spots.

628
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: Toe.

629
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: Look he taking them, He taking them bumps in the

630
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: mid posts, and he's still on balance making them tough shots.

631
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: Man.

632
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: He made a lot of tough baskets to night. So

633
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: you can't think about it, Joe, we too too. Now

634
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: they're going through this thing too too. So the strategy

635
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: you just talked about, which is right, and you're right,

636
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: he's getting in the sweet spot where he can still

637
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: score the basketball. But guess what I'm gonna do. Let

638
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: me see if these other guys can make this shot.

639
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: Let me just trup one game. Let me just trup

640
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: one up to two doing it that way. Let me

641
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: see if these guys can make it. Let me see

642
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: if a guy can step up and make it. Every

643
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: you throw this, Joe, everybody ready for that that that

644
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: kool aid may not get no sugar in a right

645
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: down at the time that kool aid.

646
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: Don't go on there?

647
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: Did that kool aid got put some sugar in a

648
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: be a little bitter? All them guys have ready to

649
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: take them shots.

650
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: Now, God love him, says You're absolutely right, O Joe.

651
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: You look at the man had twenty four shots and

652
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: no and no free throw and no as so you

653
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: knew early on with a y'all better get it off

654
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: the glass.

655
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: You want to shot, get it off the glass. Because

656
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: I ain't passing.

657
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: Listening, I was gonna ask you, right, so think about

658
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: this with the paces right when it comes to trapping.

659
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: When it comes to trapping, GA that the mounting energy

660
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 3: you have to exert to trap him, whether it be

661
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: at half for it, whether it be at the top

662
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: of the key, depending.

663
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: On where he is on the court, does it hurt them?

664
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: The paces on the office and exert that much any

665
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: energy defensively in just one player as opposed to let him.

666
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: Do what he does.

667
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Nah. Only reason why not because they scored by they

668
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: random into you absolutely commit. They're a random team, so

669
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily It's not like you using that's this

670
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: hypotheta saying Kobe Brown and Michael Jordan and Lombron James

671
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: and those guys are running around trapping. You're talking about

672
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: a team that's that's random anyway offensively, So why not

673
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: double them? I just say, let's try something else. I

674
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: just I can't feel comfortable if I'm an Indiana Pacers coach,

675
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: if I'm a player knowing that we left shape beat

676
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: us and I'm not taking anything away from the other guys.

677
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: But he can't dictate this pace all the way through.

678
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: We watched Joker do this back to back two years

679
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: in a row, try to dictate the pace, dictate everything.

680
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm not letting one guy dictate the pace on me.

681
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna double make somebody else beat me. That's what

682
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that's what certain guys have made heroes, Guys

683
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: that we talk about. The sixth, seventh, eighth gall of Team,

684
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: we we always talking about them. I've been a Chicago

685
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: guy affair. I would say I wanted time, but I

686
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: remember Steve Kurrk, John Packson, you know, Horse Grant be

687
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: on one and ten Luke Low because those guys had

688
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: to make big shots and make big plays. I agree

689
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: because Michael Jordan got double team. Michael still got his

690
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: thirty and forty had his moments. But those why remember

691
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: those guys, their household names of Chicago, me living in here.

692
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: People loved them to death because they made big shots

693
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: in these moments. I gotta make if I'm gonna lose,

694
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: to feel good going home in the summer, I gotta

695
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: be like, hey, that that second, you know it. Those

696
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: other guys beat me. We did the best job we

697
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: could do on Shae get because Alexander Andiana just like that,

698
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: giving them. They can't coned you too. You can't have both.

699
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: I gotta make you can't. They got go ahead, Joe,

700
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: give give. We gotta give Rick Carlis some credit, dude, guys,

701
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: because he's made adjustments. When we said, hey, look man,

702
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: you gotta switch up that pick and roll defense, he

703
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: did that turnshe over had him a little flustered in

704
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: Game three, and you know they was able to pull

705
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: the pull the game out. I think come down game five,

706
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah to one. Like y'all said, I think he will

707
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: start sending a double. Even if he isolated the top,

708
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: they may just send another guy. But I'm sure you know,

709
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: Rick Carli has been great throughout this postseason. I can

710
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: see him making that adjustment right there just to where Okay,

711
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: if he get it in this sweet spot, if he

712
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: about to go, he put it on the floor.

713
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: We coming, we coming.

714
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: So I look forward to the Pacers making the make

715
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: an adjustment in Game five, and because it's gonna be

716
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: a tough ony.

717
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: Ok see, man, they gonna be ready.

718
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, Indiana had some breakdowns

719
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. You saw Check get a put

720
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: back dump. They got a couple of putbacks in there

721
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: because the rotation wasn't what it needed to be. And

722
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: you have a lapse, and you know, you get fatigued

723
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: or you see field the momentum slipping away. But you've

724
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: got to stay focused. That's the thing about in sports.

725
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: When the rubber needs to meet the roll. If it's

726
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: late in the ball game, say the last five or

727
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: six minutes in a football game, the last five minutes

728
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: in a basketball game, or whatever the case may be,

729
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: you've got the maintainer level of focus because a momentary

730
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: slip could be the difference in winning and losing.

731
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: The ball game. And I thought Indiana had some lapses

732
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: in that fourth quarter.

733
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: Late in the ball game, Check get a put back dunk,

734
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Caruso got a rebound. And but like I said, I

735
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: thought Caruso to night, Caruso had his Mathroom moment like

736
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: Mathron had his twenty seven and game three game, I

737
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: thought Caruso was really the difference, especially early, like he

738
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: didn't do a whole lot late, but earling the ball

739
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: he was sensation. Hey, look, I ain't think Hartenstein played great,

740
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: but he played well enough. Like we say, with that

741
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: big line up, especially in their fourth quarter down the stretch,

742
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: they got some easy extra second chance points.

743
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: And that's what we was talking about.

744
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: You play that small ball toe you don't get them,

745
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: you don't get them extra them second chance points. I

746
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: thought Hearnstein had a couple of tip back tip outs

747
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: to where they tipped it back after where they got

748
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: a second opportunity and they scored on them on them baskets. Yeah,

749
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: my last thing I'm gonna add to Joe into this situation,

750
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: just so you can hit me out on this. As

751
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: a guy who played and we played it against the

752
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: guy Dirt Nowinsky in the two thousands and in the

753
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: finals of two thousand and six, it kind of reminds

754
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: me of a you know, of a Shade and the

755
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: way the team is kind of constructed as far as I.

756
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, but what we did with them, what we

757
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: did with Dirt.

758
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: He so you Donna's Hausen, who was probably the best

759
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: defender on he saw James Posey, Our guarded them, myself, Zog,

760
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: so you four or five different defenders on that guy.

761
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: It's a different look. We didn't stop Dirt. I would

762
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: never be the first. I'll be the first to admit

763
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: his numbers speak for itself. In the finals against US

764
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: in six, we didn't stop them, but we gave him

765
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: different looks. So I make that point to say, stop

766
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: giving Shade the same looks. Dumple them a little bit,

767
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: get it out of his hands sometime now, force him

768
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: to do something else. Shane's not a great three point shooter, no,

769
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Make him shoot the threes.

770
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Side on him a little bit.

771
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: I just hate when you keep doing the same thing

772
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: at thinking that now you gotta change it up. Put

773
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: some put some mind, put some thought in his mind.

774
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: He may have to change this game up a little bit.

775
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: But he knows right now, he knows every sweet squaddy

776
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: get into. He knows when you're coming, you're not giving

777
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: me no doubles. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, the

778
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: greatest players that ever play this game, has got double

779
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: team all of a sudden shade. Don't get double team

780
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: for a reason when you're giving up one twenty shape yea,

781
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: If I'm giving up one twenty, y'all might as well

782
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: double man. If they make open three that make up

783
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: for three, I might as won double we plan in

784
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: the one twenties. Anyway, I'm gonna play. I'm trying to

785
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: play that way, So why not double Respect the man

786
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: for being an MVP. He didn't win the war overnight.

787
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: He ironed it. He was the best player in the league.

788
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: He could have won or two years in a row.

789
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: The dudes on the road. You gotta respect what he's

790
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: doing right now, and that's double them and make somebody

791
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: else beat me. And until Indiana makes that commitment, they

792
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: probably not gonna get out the series.

793
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: Yeah right, all right, we're gonna move on.

794
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: Josh Hart issued a warning about those talking about Thibodeau.

795
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: He said, all y'all talking trash about thebs lame his hells.

796
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: A different direction was taken, but y'all should be appreciative

797
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: for what he did for the team and the organization.

798
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: What I didn't understand, and it's baffling to me. And

799
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: I said this, How you gonna fire man and you

800
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: don't have somebody already lined up?

801
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: You gonna fire man?

802
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: And then you talk about you want to go talk

803
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: to other people, people that already got jobs.

804
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let you. They're not gonna let you

805
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: talk to their coach.

806
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: It's like me, I'm gonna sell my house, but I

807
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: ain't got no place to stay. What damn, oh, y'all

808
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: I need to have? Hey, I gotta temb houses. I

809
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: got something already lined up. This looks so bad if

810
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: the Knicks knew how bad they look currently because now

811
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: you're asking for permission. Can we talk to Jason Kidd? Okay,

812
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: we talked to Ime Doka. Can we talk to this one?

813
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: Can we talk to that one. No, no, no, Now

814
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: you spent your attention and it seems like Brown, Mike

815
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: Brown or Taylor Jenkins who at the at the Grizzly

816
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: they seem to be the number one contenders. This is

817
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: a bad look. I'm not saying. Look, you can say

818
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. Okay, maybe Tims need to go.

819
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: He's grinding gets guys down too much in the regular season.

820
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: But at least have a plan. Okay, we're gonna get

821
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: rid of Tims. This is who we want. But you're

822
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: probably want to have somebody lined up that doesn't have

823
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: a job, because the likelihood of somebody.

824
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm a Doka was in the playoff they had the

825
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: number two seed.

826
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm just a Jason Kidd like hold on, yeah,

827
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: I like the Knicks, but we're gonna get Kyrie back.

828
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: I got anthro the David and we're gonna have the

829
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: number one pick in Cooper flag. Why I want to.

830
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: Go nont But hey, Torn, and I mean torn, Uncle Joe,

831
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: you gotta think about it, right, this is a player move.

832
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: Though this is a player move the players. Someone had

833
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: to someone had to.

834
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: Say something to the folks upstairs, the upper management about

835
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 3: TIBs again. You hear all the time about him grinding

836
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 3: his players and the regular season in the postseason and

837
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: playing too many minutes and then tired themselves out and

838
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: not really being able to play.

839
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 2: Towards end the games.

840
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: Because most of the time in business, when it comes

841
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: when you're gonna fire a coach, you already have somebody.

842
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: You already have a successor in mind and in order

843
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: before you even fire somebody. Most of the time, I know,

844
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not tripping it. In football, it's the

845
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: same way. If you get head coach, you're already know

846
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: who's the next person gonna be. Now, you don't see

847
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: anything publicly, but behind closed doors, you would have made

848
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: the call and you already got your eyes got it,

849
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: and you got damn t's crossed. Before you fire anybody.

850
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: You just in college toy before you go. You know,

851
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: in college sports they do this all the time. Got fired,

852
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: got Let me go talk to somebody from Texas, Let

853
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: me talk to somebody from Alabama, let me talk to

854
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: somebody from LSU. Will know to Dame and you can

855
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: offer him ten fifteen. But you don't see that in

856
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: pro sports. You don't see somebody saying, Okay, John, I

857
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: mean it's happened. Hasn't happen in football? You remember John Druden.

858
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: He had a job and he ended up going to Tampa.

859
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick had a job with the Jets, he goes

860
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: to the Patriots. I think Herm Edwards had a job

861
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: and he ended up going elsewhere. But it doesn't happen

862
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: in pro basketball. So I agree with you, Joe, Like

863
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: you said, if I'm gonna get rid of something, do

864
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: not need to have something already lined up. Oh I'm

865
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: selling my car. You already got a car. No, I

866
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: ain't got no car. I just go I'm gonna figure

867
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: out what's get rid of what. You will figure it

868
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: out once you get rid of yours. You figure it

869
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: out before you get rid of yours. So that way

870
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: is a seamless transition. Go ahead, guys, Let me let

871
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: me just say this. I think when you look at this, guys,

872
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: and I know you guys have had many comments on

873
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: this I've been on but you look at a city

874
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: that probably thought that team was better than what they were,

875
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: and you're looking at the organization up top that probably

876
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: thought that team was better than what they was. You

877
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: played against the Boston self team and lost Jason Tatum.

878
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: Let's not devalue how good Jason Tatum is. So you

879
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: was able to get by and put yourself in position

880
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: to possibly get to the finals. That's cool, But the

881
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: problem is the next roster is not good enough to

882
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: win an NBA title. Let's get us that roster is

883
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 1: not good enough to win it. It's not Tim's fault.

884
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: I think Tim has done an excellent job to be

885
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: able to get what he got out that group, to

886
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: make them relevant, to make them a really good playoff team.

887
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: But now you get the bus, the fans coming to

888
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: the game, you got the celebrities, you got all the

889
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: stars coming to the game. Everybody's starting to think about championship.

890
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: You have to build towards that. You gotta have the

891
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: white personnel, and that's unfortunate that Doland don't understand that

892
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: you put a good product on the floor and you've

893
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: gave the Knicks fans something to cheer about. Appreciate that part.

894
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: If you able to get over the hump, you get

895
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: over the hump, but you don't have the right personnel

896
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: to get over the hup. You still got the Pacers

897
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: the team that's played you last three four years. The

898
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: Pacers team has been together four years. Yeah, yeah, they've

899
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: been together four years. The boss and stuff is that

900
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum don't get hurt. Were probably talking to having

901
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: a whole different conversation right now, So you got to

902
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: put that in perspective. That's what I don't like the

903
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: fact that they fired Tears because it wasn't his fault.

904
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: He's done a great job with the group that he's had, and.

905
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 2: That's been him. I saw him in Chicago. I saw

906
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: first hands.

907
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: I saw him have a great point guard and Derrick

908
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: Rose ride that point guard and build that team around

909
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: defense and a great point guard. He did the same

910
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: thing in New York with Rick Brunson and what they

911
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: built there, and they're successful. They're very good playoffs. That's

912
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: gonna compete night in, night out sometimes and joking contest

913
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: to this and even oh Joe Shall you could test

914
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: this too. As athletes, we obviously want to win a championship.

915
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: That's the go, but sometimes you just not there. You

916
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: just can't get over them. You can need a little luck.

917
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: You need to stay a little injury free. You know

918
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You gotta stay a little injury free.

919
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: I have had a little luck, but sometimes it just

920
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: don't happen. The good organizations stick with you and build

921
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: on that. That's why I like the Patients because that

922
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: group has been together now three four years. That's what

923
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: makes the end of the Patients kind of special, because

924
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: that's why I root for them, because they one of

925
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: the few organizations that's stuck with their court guys and

926
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: giving them a real chance to see if they can

927
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: actually get it done. And they're in the finals right

928
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: now to two with a chance to get it done.

929
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: The next is that's a bad decision that Tims is

930
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: a great coach. He has his question marks or how

931
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: he how he rest is guys and how we obviously

932
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: he wears guys out. But besides that, you're gonna do

933
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: nothing but win. I was in Chicago. He's you number

934
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: win in Chicago and he has done number winning New York.

935
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why the man lose his job. Stop

936
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: putting championship on everybody. You gotta have the person now.

937
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: To win a championship, you gotta have you gotta.

938
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: Have a personnel, man.

939
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: I think I think they felt they had to make

940
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: a decision. Fellas you know what I'm saying. Considering the

941
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: fact that they lost to the Pacers two years in

942
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: a row, you know, they felt like they had to

943
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: make a move to you know, maybe maybe a license

944
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: Fi and some guys, because for me, I felt the

945
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: Knicks had I felt they got a pretty good team.

946
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: Now they ain't deep, they ain't no d team.

947
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: But when you know and and Nobly and uh what

948
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: Bridge bridges like, those dudes gotta do more. You know

949
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: with Brusson, you know kind of uh holding the ball

950
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: for so long, I think you you depend on them

951
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: for so much.

952
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: That you know, those guys really don't have rhythm.

953
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: They don't have no rhythm in continuity outside of playing

954
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: hard and playing good defense. So I felt the Knicks,

955
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: fell Man, weren't lost to this team two years in

956
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: a row.

957
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: We gotta do something. We gotta make a move.

958
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: And y'all know the players make a lot of money,

959
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: so you know it's gonna be the first one to go.

960
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: The coach gotta go first. Yeah. Yeah.

961
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: The problem that the Knicks, you know what the problem

962
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: The Knicks had expectations.

963
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dame Liler toy A kileis okay.

964
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: So now they're only one guy that can beat us

965
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, Jason Tatum goes down.

966
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: So now it's smooth sailing.

967
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: We got the Indiana Pacers and we're home, so we

968
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: should we should be able to so once it because

969
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: eight nobody had the Knicks going to the NBA Finals

970
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: at the start of the Eastern Conference playoffs nobody. But

971
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: what happened was you get, you get Dame goes down,

972
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: you get Jason Tatum goes down. Uh, Indiana beat Cleveland,

973
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: the Knicks beat Boston, Oh we got we got the Pacers.

974
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: If so, now the expectation is exponedential and so now

975
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: when it doesn't happen, oh, it's Tim's fault. It's Tim's fault.

976
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: But damn he did a great job to get at

977
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: y'all there. And then you don't have a backup plan.

978
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: You don't if let's just say, for the sake of argument,

979
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: they wanted to move in a different direction, and they said, well,

980
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: we were thinking about this the whole season, and we're

981
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: not gonna let go into the Eastern Conference finals. Deter us,

982
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: who's gonna be your coach? If Dallas pad Jason Kidd, Okay,

983
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: you gotta go. You got got no problem If one

984
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: of the coaches that you're trying to get an opportunity

985
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: to talk to gets fired, Okay, what happens if they don't?

986
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: Who is your coach? Man?

987
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: It's it's some other good veteran coaches out here, because

988
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: obviously that's what they're looking for, some guy, some guy

989
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: who's been around, some guy who's won. And there's a

990
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: few of them out here, man, And I'm sure they'll

991
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: find somebody. But ye had to be looking for guys

992
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: who are already in great coaching situations. Hell, I wouldn't

993
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: be trying to leave neither. But see you say they

994
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: are great coaches out there. If they were, if the

995
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: Knicks one of those guys, they would have never asked

996
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: permission to interview somebody that already had a job, because

997
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: if you believe somebody is already available, Hey, you believe

998
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: somebody's available, I don't need to talk to anybody else.

999
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: What I'm looking for is right there.

1000
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to give up draft compensation and

1001
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to pay an overpay because if

1002
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: you trying, if you got a job, what's the situation.

1003
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: What makes you think I'm not leaving my job unless

1004
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: I get assurances. You're gonna have to give me a

1005
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: contract before I leave. Man, he no assurance in us.

1006
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: Now I take this, I say, yeah, I'll interview. They

1007
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: grant me position, give a permission to go interview for

1008
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: the job. I don't get the job, and the team

1009
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: that I left say, nah, were good. We going to

1010
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: different direction now you Nona, Hey, Shinea, Joe Chad. Let

1011
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: me just tell you this weren't there. We weren't in

1012
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: the room. I can just a massive being in the room.

1013
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: You got Wes, Leon Rose, all these different guys in

1014
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: the room. If y'all, y'all, masterman, y'all come up. We

1015
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 1: need to fire Tims. It's something wrong. That's what those

1016
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: guys thought about. And like you just said, you just

1017
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: made it out a point.

1018
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: You don't have.

1019
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Another coach already lined up. It ain't the coaching. Tims

1020
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: got you over the other. He built the culture, He

1021
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: started the culture there, so why would you take him

1022
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 1: out of the spot that he's in. Sometime you gotta

1023
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: look at your personnel. Don't get me wrong, I think

1024
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: the Knicks are a very good team. Do I think

1025
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: they're a championship team? Absolutely not. But they are a

1026
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: very good team. But also say this, and Joe, you

1027
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: can you understand that your best player six to one,

1028
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard. And I'm not saying that your

1029
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: best player is six' one.

1030
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: Championship with, That.

1031
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: Steph curry is one of the top ten players to

1032
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: ever played the. Game we're not Talking we're not talking about.

1033
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: Him we're talking About Rick, bruston who's a very good.

1034
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: Player to, me is all the fame. Player he is

1035
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: all The fame. PLAYER i got all the respect For Rick,

1036
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: Bruston but your best player Is Rick. Brusson call out

1037
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: The towns is a great number two or number. Three,

1038
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: yeah they tried them once with him In. Minnesota he's

1039
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: a great number two or number. Three AND i like

1040
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: the way call that The towns has praised since he

1041
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: been in. There but, no you like the way he

1042
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: played the last couple of games getting to the Red,

1043
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: no he off was too much round the three port

1044
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: light of twe he. Does but, say you gotta realize.

1045
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: This you gotta bring your expectations to Real this was

1046
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: most of most of these.

1047
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: Teams you gotta have real.

1048
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: Expectations you're building something, There you're building a situation where

1049
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to compete maybe for the next

1050
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: five or six, years and give you a fan base

1051
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: something to cheer. About do That tims has did. That

1052
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: you gotta do. That sometimes you can't Cut he's built

1053
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: the culture. There get that man of chance to continue

1054
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: to build and add a piece of.

1055
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 2: Two your best player can't be sixty. One.

1056
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Man i'm just trying to tell you that's what they think.

1057
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: About knowing, well it wasn't they gave Up it was

1058
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: it Wasn't. Tim they gave up five first round draft

1059
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: picks For Michel. Bridges, yeah so now you really Don't

1060
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: so what AM i Gonna what AM i gonna?

1061
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: TRY i, mean you, say, WELL i want this, guy

1062
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: want that.

1063
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: Guy you don't have draft, capital and so you want

1064
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: to try to keep your car. Together you want to

1065
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: probably try to keep o G you probably want to

1066
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: try to Keep Josh hart because he's Your Swiss Harby.

1067
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: Knight he's the guy that does it.

1068
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: All he played, defense he can, assist he can, rebound

1069
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: he could score a. Little you're not counting on him

1070
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: to go give you twenty a, night but if he

1071
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: can give you ten to, twelve ten to. Fourteen he

1072
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: gonna give you six or seven. Rebounds he's gonna give

1073
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: you six to, seven, eight, nine ten or. Six sometimes

1074
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: he'll give you a triple. Double so and you want

1075
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: o g but you. Don't you're not. Deep you got

1076
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: five guys in your probably you normally go too deep

1077
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: off the. Bench you Go, miles you Go miles, McBride

1078
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: and you go, uhh and you Go, Mitchell Mitchell. Robinson

1079
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: that's really all you. Go, now you Let Landry shammitt

1080
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: play a little bit late in the ball, game late

1081
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: in the, series but that's not you only play five.

1082
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: Guys you don't have a deep.

1083
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: Team so and and so when and like you, said,

1084
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: guys you're six one. Guy well you're talking about What

1085
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: Steph curry was only six, Too But Steph curry's. Transcended

1086
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: Tell Steph curry is a historically great. Player isaiah was

1087
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: the leader of his. Team but you can't just say

1088
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: just because somebody could score thirty or to give a

1089
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: night so oh, yeah he could lead a. Team it's

1090
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: more to that than you just scoring back. Buckets, YEAH i,

1091
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: AGREE i. AGREE i think they top, five they starting.

1092
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: Five they can compete with anybody in the. League but

1093
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: it's the, depth you, know when you don't have a

1094
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: depth like a lot of these teams have out of

1095
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: like An, indiana like AN, okc somebody who can come

1096
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: off your bench and win you a game or two

1097
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: in the. Postseason, toe, Oh, jo it's gonna be hard

1098
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: to win because you put so much pressure on this

1099
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: On Jalen, Brunson.

1100
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: Cat you, know you put so.

1101
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: Much you put so much on this on those guys

1102
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: for them to come out and be consistent every, night

1103
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: to give you thirty plus points just for you to

1104
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: just for you to win a.

1105
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: Game AND i think that's tough for.

1106
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: Them SO i think as far as depth, wise they

1107
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: got to bring them, guys some help, man some guys

1108
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: that can come off that bitch and infect the game

1109
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: in a different.

1110
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: Way, well we knew game after. Game well let me

1111
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: just go after this.

1112
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: One Joe, andocho we were on and we, said after game,

1113
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: one The knicks are in. Trouble you got forty three From,

1114
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: brunson you got thirty fix From call after the, towns

1115
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: and you still. Lost AND i asked the, QUESTION i, say,

1116
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: so what's the likelihood that they can score forty plus

1117
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: and thirty and over thirty, five and because if you

1118
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: still get that many think about how many points you

1119
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: got from your two big, guns and they shot a great,

1120
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: percentage they were, very very, efficient and you. Lost if

1121
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: they gave you anything less than, that they're a great

1122
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: likelihood you were going to lose this. Series and So

1123
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: i'm not surprised they lost this series considering game. One

1124
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: but the QUESTION i would to pose you there were

1125
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: reports that some of the players thought That Rick, Brunson

1126
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: Jalen brunson's dad who's an, assistant had too much say

1127
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: is this some move or they trying to Get rick

1128
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: bru with a worldwide west Of Leon.

1129
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: Rose would they give that job To Rick. Brunson, NAH

1130
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: i don't think they won't give it to. Him but

1131
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: let me ask you.

1132
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Something as a as an assistant, coach and you guys know,

1133
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: this we all play. Sports he's supposed to have an

1134
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: opinion with gods of my sons on the.

1135
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: Staff EITHER i want to take pride in my.

1136
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: Job IF i was assistant coach with, MYSELF i still

1137
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: want the other guys to respect.

1138
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: Me you gotta have an. Opinion we don't know.

1139
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: How tills felt About Rick bruston he played for, him

1140
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: he prayed for him when he was with the next

1141
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: he he already Know. Rick what if he Thinks Rick

1142
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: BASKETBALL iq is for the, Roof we don't know. That

1143
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: he's a part of his. Staff it ain't just but

1144
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: this is the. Pros it's not, college this not high. School,

1145
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: well you got to bring the dad in sometimes to

1146
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: get the kid to come the. Pros he probably really,

1147
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: Felt he probably really Trusted Rick. Basketball he probably really

1148
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: trust his. Opinion SO i can't say That i'm not

1149
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: gonna do. That And Ellen brusting has been nothing but

1150
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: great since he's been with The. Knicks with his.

1151
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: Dad on the.

1152
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: Bench it ain't too many guys that can say that

1153
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: that played well with his dad on the bench and

1154
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: gets it, done not, in not. Out it ain't too

1155
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: many guys that can say that that's not. It the

1156
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: problem with the THE nixt problem is the expectations are too.

1157
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: High don't your expectations hot because now you got a,

1158
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: buzz you had a great. Season take nothing away from

1159
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: that bill towards the. Championship take that luck this. Year

1160
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: make your lost guys come. Back add a piece of.

1161
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: Two you don't fire the, coach come. Back add one

1162
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: piece of. Two now you gotta hire a whole new,

1163
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: coach and now you feel like you Gotta now you

1164
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: gotta feel like you gotta add two three pieces to the.

1165
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: Bench think about it now you think now you now

1166
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: you really messed. Up well you could have just easy, said,

1167
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: hey well we've dropped the. Ball we're gonna be back next.

1168
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: Year maybe you may add another piece off the, bench

1169
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: maybe two pieces that can help you out and get

1170
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: you over the. Hub you Got Jason, Tatum Who's i'm

1171
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: looking at? Everything If I'm Jason, tatum probably when coming,

1172
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: Back tatum not coming, Back tatum not coming back until twenty,

1173
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: six you could.

1174
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: Know What i'm.

1175
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: Saying he's not. Coming he's not. Coming he's not coming

1176
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: back this. Year he coming back in twenty seventh. Season

1177
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: so think All i'm worried about right? Now If i'm

1178
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: looking in The, East, okay the pace is gonna be

1179
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: good again next. Year milwaukee's Probably i'm looking At i'm

1180
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: looking at they ain't not coming back Right so Now

1181
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: i'm in the Next so What i'm gonna blow up?

1182
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: For that's why you know management is bad up top

1183
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: got up and plus let's See Cleveland. CLEVELAND i don't Think.

1184
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: Cleveland cleveland's not in a position to make a. Move

1185
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: so they Got, theyok they coming. Back let's see what

1186
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: the heat. Does obviously he's gonna make a run At Kevin.

1187
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: Durant why wouldn't. You but they're not gonna be the

1188
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: only one that can make a run At Kevin. Durant

1189
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: do they have enough, assets do they have enough pieces

1190
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: or what are they willing to give up to Get Kevin.

1191
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: Durant now you read that The suns are dropping their

1192
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: asking price BECAUSE i, mean he's thirty seven and he's

1193
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: kind of he's been he's injury From is he a great? Player,

1194
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: Yes but if you go back and look At vandon rams,

1195
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: history he's been, nicked he's myth time knee ankled, Issues

1196
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: so that weighs. In that's dropping his. Price and just

1197
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: Because McHale bridges went for five first round, picks everybody

1198
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna be that. Dog just Because rudy gober went for

1199
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: four first round, picks everybody gonna be that.

1200
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: Dog you know Why Kevin DURANT kV.

1201
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: Moved he makes fifty five fifty six million dollars next,

1202
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: year so he's not gonna be you, know somebody got

1203
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: to take him at thirty, seven thirty eight years. Old

1204
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: we all KNOW kd can produce at that. Number that's

1205
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: not a. Problem he's gonna give you twenty five thirty

1206
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: points a. Night it depends on what your organizations wanting

1207
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: to give up a couple of their drive picks to

1208
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: get A kd at a younger. AGE i mean at

1209
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: an older. Age i'm, sorry at an older. Age that's

1210
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: all it comes. Down so he's gonna. Produce kd's gonna be.

1211
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: There he's a he's a, baller he's a. Scorer you

1212
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: know what you're give him WITH.

1213
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 2: Kd the problem is his numbers.

1214
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: High you talk about the guy that makes fifty plus

1215
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: fifty plus, Million you gotta decide what you're gonna.

1216
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: Do do we want.

1217
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: To put fifty in a guy that's thirty six thirty

1218
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: seven years old and see if we can get two

1219
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: years out of. Him that's why he looks good for

1220
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: The Houston. Rockets The Houston rockets can use a veteran

1221
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: guy that can score the. Basketball, yeah got some young

1222
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: they got some young, assets and you could put what

1223
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: that little core they got and maybe get them over

1224
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: the Hum we just Watched houston the playoffs dominate number two. Seeds,

1225
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: yeah we miss watch, them but they. Misscoring If i'm

1226
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: the they miss, scoring they missed a guy to be

1227
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: able to go to to get them a. Bucket K

1228
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: d fills that gap if you have assets to. Move

1229
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: it's all about assets with K. D K d still

1230
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: at that, level it's a matter of what's two one

1231
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: age for a guy who's probably got two years at

1232
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the level of they his playing at right, now his

1233
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: number is, high it becomes a number. Game do you

1234
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: what can you give? Up because he's making he'll make

1235
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: fifty sixty million dollars a. Year that's how that comes

1236
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: down TO. Kd he's.

1237
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: There what you, think, You Joe.

1238
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: Man If i'm The, Pistons i'm trying to add him

1239
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: to this young group of guys THAT i have With

1240
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: cade and them young dolls that you got over, THERE

1241
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: i think THAT i think he'll fit seamlessly over, there

1242
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: toe and. Oho you know WHAT i, mean because he's

1243
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: a bona fide.

1244
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: Scorer. Bro we know.

1245
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: That. Now you could, say, oh he thirty, seven but

1246
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: he got at least another couple of, years another good

1247
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: couple of years in him and playing on the team like.

1248
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: That w he don't have to do that much dirty work,

1249
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: defensively you know WHAT i. Mean he can just be

1250
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: smooth and go out there and give you a cool

1251
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty two a, night because that's what

1252
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: they was missing in the.

1253
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: Postseason man Ain't. Joe, Look i'm on.

1254
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: This i'm on, this, this this show right now with

1255
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: three athletic guys that took care of every body's great.

1256
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: Shape. Guys you guys know THAT kd is one of those.

1257
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: Guys, yeah take care of his. Body he gonna get

1258
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: two more. Years that's why bron is still. Playing you,

1259
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: know you guys aren't lead. CLASS i didn't do what

1260
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: you guys did as far as body. Wise you guys

1261
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: are elite guys that took care of they body throughout their.

1262
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: CAREER kd can give you two, Years, Joe, yeah he

1263
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: can give you two years.

1264
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: At a high.

1265
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: Level, hey think about it to, one especially playing in The. East,

1266
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 1: well you you already Know. BOSTON i, mean they gonna

1267
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: they probably gonna be decent, still but you know With,

1268
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: tatum they ain't gonna be they a't gonna Be boston

1269
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: with our, Tape, look at look At Dame. Milwaukee dang

1270
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: gonna so the opportunity in The East, man it's wide, Open.

1271
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: Joe the problem is right now With. Boston it's the.

1272
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: Thing and we'll talk about this on some later. Shows

1273
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: but you got a new ownership, group they take it,

1274
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: over bring that. Up they gonna break it. Up, there

1275
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna shine. IT i was you about to say?

1276
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: WHAT i was gonna shake. That it's a business decision for.

1277
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: Them they may, decide, hey they don't want to start

1278
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: off on the rear and and those type of. Salaries

1279
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: you got seven guys on The celtics making top. Dollar

1280
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: do they want to continue to pay. That i'm talking

1281
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: about The, pazingers The, HOLIDAYS i mean even even The

1282
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: Jack white here And Dareck white making one Of, hey

1283
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: you got so many guys on that team that's making big.

1284
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: Money you don't know what direction this new ownership may.

1285
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: Go we just saw The Dallas mavericks ownership take control

1286
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: and trade away they they most they franchised. Player we

1287
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: saw them trade Away. Luca so you don't. Know this

1288
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: new ownership make group may come in after they, pay

1289
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: whether they pay five billion dollars for The celtics without

1290
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: in the, run without in the. Arena same you got

1291
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: to think about they don't got an. Arena they might

1292
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: want to take care of the arena. First they might want

1293
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: to make sure they got in the arena they're playing.

1294
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: First so you, know these guys are. Businessman you don't

1295
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: know if THEY i can commit it to this type

1296
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: of winning and this type of salaries with these. Guys

1297
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: so we don't know what The celtics is gonna do right.

1298
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: Now so it's wide open right. Now that's what's crazy

1299
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: about The. Knicks you for a situation where things are wide. Open,

1300
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: well you got two top players on The Milwaukee bucks

1301
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: and on The Boston celtics that are coming out Torn.

1302
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Achilles Two hall Of fame. PLAYERS i don't want to

1303
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: break that. Up One i'm gonna break the coach. Up

1304
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: i'm gonna give him another shot at. This, yeah you,

1305
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: know you gotta see what. Happens Call Anthony. Towns was

1306
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: hurt when you get one hundred percent Called Anthony towns

1307
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: That Indian Ana sirians may go. DIFFERENT i could be,

1308
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: wrong it may go, different but one hundred percent Called

1309
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: Anthony towns may change that. Serious he played great all.

1310
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: YEAR i thought he rejuvenated. HIMSELF i thought he had

1311
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: a monster. Year but you, know ain't got hurt at

1312
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: the end of the. Year he wasn't right at the

1313
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: end of the. YEAR i ain't Gonna i'm not gonna

1314
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: beat him. Up i'm not gonna beat up on him like.

1315
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: That he wasn't right at the end of the year health,

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: wise and it cost Step. Bo thank you for joining us, tonight.

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: Man we really appreciate you breaking down this. Game, okay

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Speaker 1: see one Eleven indiana one oh. Four thanks for the. Insight,

1319
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: hey game, seven come back and join us if we

1320
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: go seven and break down who won and why they.

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00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: Won oh, Yeah i'll be here, baby all. Right appreciate one.

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Speaker 3: Volume