1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans, This one's 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: the truth lives here Packed twelve Apostles. 4 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Ams and and this is 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: the Pack twelve Apostles. So, Ralph, I think it's I mean, 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: can we say it's for sure? I mean, we already 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: announced it last show that this was our last season. 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: This will not be our last podcast. We just have. 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: To rebrand this whole joint because we attached our name 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: to a bunch of people who the namesake of this show, 11 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: to a bunch of people who mismanaged everything. We went 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: with our heart and not with our head. And look 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: at where we are right now. And we went over 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: it last show, and I think we were one hundred 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 2: percent accurate. Ralph, when you asked me where did I 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: think everybody would end up? It was right you Cla 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: and obviously USC in the Big Ten, which was already announced, 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: Oregon and Washington to the Big Ten, and the Four 19 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 2: Corner Schools to the Big twelve. And where there's smoke, 20 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: there's fire. So how long have we been hearing about 21 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: the Four Corner schools to the Big twelve? 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Ralph me, are we eight nine months? Yeah? 23 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 4: I mean I went back and I was like, you know, 24 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: what were our internal discussions because ever since USC and 25 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: UCLA made the jump, you said that it's over, You 26 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: said that the conference is dead. You didn't want for 27 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: it to be that way, but that's just a way 28 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: that it was. And then you know, I checked our 29 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 4: text messages and you were like, Oregon is headed to 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: the Big ten. And that was like in September twenty 31 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 4: twenty two, so like you've you've you have seen this 32 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: for a while. We actually talked about this, you know, 33 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 4: back in uh twenty nineteen, when we fired this podcast 34 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 4: up for the first time, Like we were discussing if 35 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 4: they didn't get their stuff together, what could end up happening? 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 4: And here we are, and it's just it's all of 37 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: our worst fears realized. But you know, I kind of 38 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: feel like we're done morning, and we have packed twelve 39 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 4: presidents out here acting like you know that this was 40 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 4: in some way a surprise or a shock to them, 41 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 4: and I just don't even see how that's possible. 42 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. And then you have people who have covered 43 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: the conference writing and I don't want to disparage them 44 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: because I understand that they were in a very. 45 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: Very unique situation. 46 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: And this is mainly like Wilner and Canzono right, because 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: they are a good man trying to do the right 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 2: thing right, But they also are getting information from They 49 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: have a lot of access to the PAC twelfth presidents, 50 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: to the Commissioner, and to people who had a vested 51 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: interest in making things sound really really good in public. Yeah, 52 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: so they would get quotes, insider information, all of this 53 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: stuff from people who who wanted this to survive. And 54 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: the problem is is that from the outside, it was 55 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: like nobody was paying attention to the perception from the 56 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: outside and how poorly that things have been mismanaged under 57 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: Larry Michael Scott, and it was obvious. 58 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: That not get Like like when the when. 59 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: The SEC signed that new media deal with ESPN, that 60 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: was the one that scared me. I was like, the 61 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: PAC twelve has to get to the table because CBS 62 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: and Fox are going to as soon as those spots 63 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: are taken up. There's gonna be no room except for 64 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: that late window on ESPN. I was like, Bro, you 65 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: have to get back to the negotiating table. Asap and 66 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: that was the only way to save it. And did 67 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: Larry Scott do that? Nope, nodded all he was like, whoa, well, 68 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: we got to wait till the end of this thing. 69 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: But but but you saw you clearly didn't have to 70 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: wait to the end. At the SEC didn't wait till 71 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: the end the pact. They Big twelve clearly didn't wait 72 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: till the end. So even after the mistakes were already made, 73 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: it was like that there was some sort of it 74 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: was like the sunk cost fallacy. Oh well, we've invested 75 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 2: so much into the PAC twelve and networks. We got 76 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: to see this thing through. No you don't, No, you don't. 77 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: You can stop a reverse course. I've learned that in 78 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: my own damn life. Oh man, I've put so much 79 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: into that. No, throw that Throw that shit in the 80 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: trash bro It wasn't the right idea. And that's the 81 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: part that is troubling is that you have so many 82 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: articles now about where did we go wrong, instead of 83 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: while it was going wrong, writing here's how it's going wrong. 84 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. It reminds me of do you remember watching and Idol? 85 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: Some people still watch it, Maybe it's still on. I 86 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 4: don't know, but like for the first few seasons, that 87 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 4: was like twenty million people a week watching this show. 88 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: And one of the things that would happen on this 89 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: show a show that really made it look like you 90 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: went to a tryout, got in line and then got 91 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: in front of like Simon col and Randy Jackson and 92 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: Paula Abduel. But that's not what it actually was. You 93 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 4: would go to a tryout, you would get in front 94 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: of some producers, and if they liked you, they'd put 95 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: you through some more rounds of producers to tell your 96 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 4: story and stuff like that, and then a week later, U, 97 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: Simon cow Paula Abduell, Randy Jackson, they'd fly into town 98 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 4: and you'd come back yep. And what they made it 99 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 4: look like is U. 100 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: Show follow people around exactly exactly. 101 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 4: That's how you get these shots of people at their 102 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: home and stuff like that. But to producers, there's a 103 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 4: bunch of different producers. They're gonna make a decision on 104 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 4: who gets through to talk to the Big three. The 105 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: TV show doesn't air like that, but in reality that's 106 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: what's happening, and the producers will hear somebody sing poorly, 107 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: and if they believed that it was entertaining enough or 108 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: funny enough, or it would piss the judges off enough 109 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 4: to put this person through. Then they would let them through. 110 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 4: They'd come up with the whole backstory. And that's how 111 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: you end up with guys like William Hung singing she 112 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: bangs in front of you know, the judges, and then 113 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: becoming which is right, and then becoming like an international 114 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: sensation for being so bad. But some of these people 115 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: they yeah, But some of these people they put through 116 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 4: the judges genuinely believed they could sing and and and 117 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: the producers had to do this like delicate balance of 118 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: not tipping them off, because nobody in their life ever 119 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: let them know that whatever they hear when they sing 120 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: to themselves in the shower is actually terribly offensive to 121 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: the human ear. So you have these people walking in 122 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: in front of the judges and in full confidence, they'd 123 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 4: open up their mouth to sing Sam Cook, and then 124 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: Sam Cook would be rolling over in his grave from 125 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: how bad it was. Sometimes you'd have the judges laugh. 126 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 4: Sometimes you have the judges try to let these people 127 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: down carefully, and then sometimes Simon cow would just be like, what, 128 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: why in the hell did you ever think that you 129 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: could come out here in front of us, you know. 130 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 4: But as the viewer at home, that's why I say this. 131 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: As a viewer at home, you have twenty million people watching, 132 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: and all twenty million people know that this person that's 133 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: going to walk in front of the judges is headed 134 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 4: to the wood chipper. They all know it except for 135 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 4: that person. And that's what the PAC twelve negotiations felt 136 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: like to me. Everybody knew that the PAC twelve, based 137 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 4: on the landscape, was not. 138 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 3: Viable, that they were headed to the wood chip. Yeah. 139 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, But then you had these PAC twelve presidents acting like, 140 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, like what we came down to the 141 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 4: last minute and we had we had the chance, we 142 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 4: were in the room and we could have made it happen, 143 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: and it was Oregon's fault. 144 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was Oregon's fault. Dude. 145 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: Arizona had applied for admission to the Big twelve and 146 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: been accepted the night before, Like what what are we 147 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: And then they're like, well, we were gonna sign it. 148 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: What so you were going to back out after you 149 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: got voted in? 150 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's just. 151 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: So it just it cracks me up, like knowing that 152 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 4: you have the PAC twelve presidents that like walked out 153 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 4: of the room, you know, having not been presented with 154 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: a solid deal for over a year after USC and 155 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 4: UCLA decided to leave, thinking like oh wow, we really 156 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: weren't able to save the conference. That it must just 157 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: be a bad day. It must have just been a 158 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: bad bounce, Like no, no, no, no, well no, this 159 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 4: has been all bad all along. 160 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: And can we talk about the lead up to the 161 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: final Friday because. 162 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: It was inevitable. 163 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: So so let's go back to the So Colorado leaves 164 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: and goes to the Big twelve PAC twelve realize like. 165 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: Oh snap, we gotta get on it, and then. 166 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: Arizona's thinking about going and then they're like, oh, we 167 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: got to present a deal today, okay, and that was 168 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: what Monday, And then you had either the previous Friday 169 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: or the Monday. You're like, okay, well they're leaving and okay, 170 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: so we got to present a deal. So they present 171 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: a deal that next day because Arizona was gone. 172 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: Okay. 173 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: So and then the deal that's been reported, so let's 174 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: talk about the details that have been reported that there 175 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: was a twenty three million dollars originally Lee it was 176 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: twenty million. Then there was going to be a twenty 177 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: three million dollar payment to each school every year from 178 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: Apple TV, which I'm a streamer. I love Apple TV. 179 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: Got no problem with Apple TV. Love it right. 180 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 4: However, the feel this deal would have saved me probably 181 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: six hundred dollars a year. 182 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but no problem with that. 183 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 4: So it wouldn't have had to have Sling. 184 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there were multiple problems with the with the deal. 185 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 2: First thing is is they were like, oh, there are 186 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: escalators based upon the number of subscribers. And it's been 187 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: reported that at a million subscribers they would have gotten 188 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: that thirty one point seven million dollars that that the 189 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: Big twelve was offering. But then at five million subscribers 190 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: would have gotten over fifty million dollars. And you're like, wait, 191 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: but nobody knows how many subscribers is realistic. So you've 192 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: had people saying, well, the Pack twelve networks have fifteen 193 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: million subscribers. Know that's fifteen million, it's in fifteen million homes. 194 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 2: That's different because those people aren't actively subscribing to the 195 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: PAC twelve. It's just the PAC twelve networks. It's just 196 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: part of their basic cable package. Whereas if people who 197 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 2: are court cutters, it's not part of their basic package. 198 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: Prime example, the NFL networks. I'm sorry, the direct TV 199 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: NFL Sunday Ticket. How many people do you think subscribe 200 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: to that? 201 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: Ralph? 202 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: Actually you know the answer because you're on Twitter and 203 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: you follow me, and I think you said it too. 204 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 4: No, I actually I actually don't know. I'm about to 205 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: subscribe to Sunday Ticket for the first time in my life. 206 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: So when it was on DirecTV instead of being on 207 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: YouTube TV, okay, two point four million people to the 208 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: to the NFL Sunday Ticket. Two point four million people, the. 209 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 4: Biggest American sports subscription, yes, model product. 210 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: Yes. 211 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: And NFL games do fifteen to sixteen million people on average. 212 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: And that's a baby game, Like that's like a normal 213 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: Sunday one o'clock eastern ten am game that you know 214 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: that people are still in church, people are sleeping, all 215 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: of that, Like that's a normal game. Primetime games twenty 216 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: million plus and only two point four million people subscribe 217 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: to direct TV Sunday Ticket. So and that's the biggest 218 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: American sport by far. So with the SEC already taking 219 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: up the oxygen in the room, the big ten. How 220 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: many people do you think have paid for an ad 221 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: on every month to watch Pack twelve sports. Do you 222 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: think it would have been closer to the one million 223 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: or the five million, or do you have no idea? 224 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 4: Well, I'll say this. 225 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: It wouldn't be anywhere near one million. 226 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: And I had this discussion with a lot of people 227 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: of like, hey, your favorite bar is probably not going 228 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: to subscribe to Apple if there are linear options. 229 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: Because they all have cable there, like you would have 230 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: to have a smart TV, which they probably do. 231 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: All have smart t TV. 232 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're on a system and they all like 233 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: to use the remote all of this stuff, and you 234 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: think that they're going to instead use the regular TV 235 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: remote and. 236 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 3: Sift through apps. 237 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: Now, granted that's gonna happen in the next five ten years, 238 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: but right now that's not where we're at. 239 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 4: Right Well, so we're still in a situation where where 240 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: it's hard in a Pack twelve city to find establishments 241 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: with PAC twelve network. Still it is still that way. Yeah, 242 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: And what was frustrating me about having this argument with 243 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: a lot of people because a lot of people were like, 244 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 4: what are you talking about, Like, you could get Apple 245 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: TV on your phone you could screencast at a tailgate 246 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: bars have no problem, Like you could get Apple TV anywhere. 247 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: They could figure this out. And I'm like, those are 248 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: all nice, like they could do those things, except we're 249 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: more than a decade into PAC twelve network, and I 250 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 4: don't know if you go out to establishments to try 251 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: to watch Pack twelve games. I still do, so it 252 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: is very hard to find someone with Pack twelve network. 253 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 4: If you find someone with Pack twelve network, you better 254 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 4: help hope there's not another linear option that's being taken up. 255 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 4: And you have to deal with the fact that, like 256 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: you better hope the host is knows how to change 257 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 4: the channel yep, or that they'll just hand you the remote. 258 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 4: They have a hard enough time changing the channel at 259 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 4: some of these bars, especially if they get even a 260 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 4: little bit busy. Switching in and out of apps is 261 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: not going to happen yet. You pointed that out. It's 262 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 4: not going to happen yet. The linear option is the 263 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 4: one with the lowest barrier of entry. And moreover, they're 264 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: probably not going to give up these late kickoff times 265 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: because that's their best option to get away from other 266 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: people's linear options. To actually make the subscription service have value. 267 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: Here's the deal. The bars that would spring for Apple 268 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: TV are not like clubs that stay open till two 269 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: in the morning, where two different time zones would have 270 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: to be in order to have you know, people out 271 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: watching watching these these pack ten pack nine games. They 272 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: close it like midnight for eleven thirty and you know, 273 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: or a round kickoff. So it like this idea that 274 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: businesses were going to carry a good chunk of the 275 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 4: base of some of these subscriptions and then it would 276 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 4: be made up by individuals after that. 277 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: And we're talking about the West. 278 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 4: It's been lucky to have one hundred thousand, yes, exactly, 279 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 4: because when you create additional barriers to entry, people will 280 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 4: will will. 281 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: Find something else to do. Because see now, if the 282 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: SEC or the Big Ten, which don't have a perception problem, 283 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: right and the SEC the biggest, baddest football conference, and 284 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: it just matters more, and the Big Big ten, which 285 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: has the biggest fan bases and which does the best 286 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: TV ratings, if they went on Apple TV, which is 287 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: essentially like a black hole for right now in the 288 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: in the short term, they would have no problem getting 289 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: a million subscribers, no problem, no problem, gets probably two 290 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: million subscribers because they sell out one hundred thousand seat 291 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: stadiums no problem weekend week out. Stanford can't get forty 292 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: five percent of their stadium field on a regular basis. 293 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: Cal can't get fifty five percent of their stadium field 294 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: on a regular basis. USC only has gotten their stadium 295 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: field since they got Lincoln Riley the Rose Bowl. 296 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: We've seen pictures of that recently. 297 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 4: And what's a big part of what's contributing to the 298 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: drop off. A huge part of what's contributing to the 299 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 4: drop off is the fact that these games have not 300 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 4: been readily available to keep people interested. That's a big 301 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 4: part of it. 302 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 3: Exactly. 303 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: It's a and we've talked about that, it's an availability problem, 304 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: and when you're not available. It allowed ESPN and Fox, 305 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: who were partners of the SEC Network, the ACC Network, 306 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: and the Big Ten to talk about you, even though 307 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: that you were like their second tier choice. They are 308 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: literally owners of the ESPN's owners of the ACC Network 309 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: and the SEC Network, and the Fox owners of the 310 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 2: Big Ten. So who do you think that they are 311 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: going to pump up and give the most attention to 312 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: the people that they're in bed with. So and Oregon 313 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: would get a lot of coverage on game day and 314 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: all of that stuff, but they were still in Washington 315 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: when they're good USC but you see the slights that 316 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: you taw would get talked with. Even Oregon and USA 317 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: are oh man, they gotta win every single game. There's 318 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 2: no margin for error, no margin for error. And you 319 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: say that on television enough times. Guess what people believe, Ralph? 320 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 4: Well, of course, of course people people tend to believe that, 321 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: and a big part of that is people are not 322 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: seeing these teams in order to contrast those opinions. 323 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: Yep. 324 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 4: The truth of the matter is, you know, there's a 325 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 4: lot of people watching Tennessee. Last year, a lot of 326 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 4: people watching Tennessee. Utah was on that level. They might 327 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 4: have lost to Florida, but they're on that level. Not 328 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 4: a lot of people watching Utah to be able to 329 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 4: see for themselves. Oh, Tennessee in Utah, like that's a 330 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 4: pretty even matchup. And people are talking about Tennessee's opportunity 331 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: to play for a national championship. And then they're talking 332 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 4: about Utah needing to be perfect like no, like these 333 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 4: are really close. 334 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: To the same team. Yep. 335 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 4: And so you know, here's here's one of the other 336 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 4: things that I want Pack twelve fans to wake up 337 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: to the reality of this idea. And Michael Crowe said it, 338 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 4: and there's a bunch of presidents that have spoken out 339 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: on this, But Michael crow said there were a lot 340 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 4: of forces at work, including the overlords of the media empire, 341 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 4: that were driving a lot of this, and what he 342 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 4: means by this is the breaking up of the PAC twelve. 343 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 3: Oh it was. It was. 344 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: Sure, Sure, the TV networks drove some of this, But 345 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 4: here's the actual reality and the actual data that the 346 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: TV networks were looking at which would cause them to 347 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 4: not go deep into their pockets to keep the PAC 348 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 4: twelve alive. Last year, the highest rated game in each 349 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 4: conference that did not involve a team that's moving to 350 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 4: a new conference this year. In the Big Ten it 351 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: was Michigan versus Ohio State seventeen point one four million 352 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 4: people watched that game. In the SEC, that was Tennessee 353 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 4: versus Georgia teen point zero six million people watched that game. 354 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 4: In the ACC it was NC State versus Clemson. Five 355 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 4: million people tuned into that game. In the Big twelve, 356 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: where four PAC twelve schools are now headed TCU versus 357 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: Baylor pulled in four point three to five million. Do 358 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 4: you know what the highest rated PAC twelve game that 359 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 4: didn't involve UCLA or USC was last year? 360 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 3: It was, for sure Oregon. 361 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 4: It was Oregon versus Oregon State at three point five 362 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 4: to six million, which I believe happened on linear television. Yeah, 363 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 4: we're talking about the PAC twelve getting five million Apple subscribers, 364 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: when when the PAC twelve has not had a single 365 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: game in the last two years have five million viewers? 366 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: Well a single Washington. 367 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 4: Oregon twenty twenty one got close. 368 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: Well a, you mean games amongst PAC twelve teams as 369 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: as opposed to them playing non conference games, because they 370 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: did have non conference games that rated higher than that. 371 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 4: But that's what Apple would be buying, is PAC twelve 372 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 4: teams versus PAC twelve teams. For the most part, some 373 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 4: of these non cons will happen on linear and. 374 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: So and I think that answers the question that Jeff 375 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: Schwartz even put out. It was like, wait, so the 376 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: so ESPN and Fox essentially are paying more, We're willing 377 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: to pay more for the PAC twelve as parts than 378 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: the PAC twelve as a as a as a whole, 379 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 2: so basically that they think the brands are. 380 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: Worth more individually than they are collectively. 381 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 4: That which is also a mistake, which is also in 382 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 4: my opinion, it's a big mistake on their part, because 383 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 4: the parts are worth what they're worth in conjunction with 384 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 4: how they function according to the other parts. 385 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that shows perception problem though, Ralph, that shows 386 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: that it's a perception problem. If if if they say, 387 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: all right, uh, the the Pac twelve apostles, We'll pay 388 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: you twenty million dollars, twenty three million dollars a year 389 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 2: for the pack twelve apostles plus however many subscribers that 390 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: you get blah blah blah. Right, But then another network says, listen, 391 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: we'll pay Ralph will give you thirty one point seven 392 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 2: million dollars. George will give you forty some million dollars. 393 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: How does that make sense? We will pay you to 394 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 2: break up. We will pay you more if you break up. 395 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: It doesn't, I do. I think it's short sighted on 396 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: the network's part. Not keeping the rivalries together is going 397 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 4: to diminish the value of your product because rivalries are 398 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 4: what people tune in for if they're casuals. 399 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: I don't. 400 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that people want to 401 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: see good quality. I think that there's a well, see, 402 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: it's tough because the rivalries do matter, right, but people 403 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: want to see and it's going to rate better on 404 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 2: television Oregon versus Michigan State, Oregon versus Ohio State, Oregon 405 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 2: versus USC than it is Oregon versus Oregon State, even 406 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: though that that game actually means more to a lot 407 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: more people. 408 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 3: If that makes sense, I. 409 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 4: Guess, I guess. All I know is college football is 410 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 4: made up of some of the biggest diehard fans you'll 411 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 4: ever meet, and then a bunch of people who have 412 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 4: degrees and families and lives and aren't dedicated to going 413 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 4: out to tailgates painting their face following recruiting rankings, who 414 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 4: just check in rivalry week around Thanksgiving? 415 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: Oh, are we are headed to where college football is 416 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: jumping the shark? I just want to let everybody know 417 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: college football is about to jump the shark, because the 418 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: issue is now that it's become so dog eat dog 419 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: that every conference in every team is trying to be 420 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: the number one right that they that they want to 421 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: get the most money, the most is the most that 422 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 2: the problem is is that this is the entertainment business. 423 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 2: And what has the NFL figured out. 424 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: Is that. 425 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: We have thirty two teams, and if they each negotiated 426 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: their rights individually, the Cowboys would be by far, would be. 427 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 3: Georgia right in the SEC. You know. 428 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: That's like the Cowboys, the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Patriots, the Bears, 429 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: all negotiating their TV rights together, right yea. 430 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: And then you have. 431 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: The smaller market teams Jacksonville where you have Jacksonville, Carolina, 432 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: you know, and whatever, the Houston Texans and another team 433 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: all negotiating their rights together. 434 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: Right, one is going to get way more than the other. 435 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: But the problem that that creates. 436 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: Is is that even though the Cowboys, still in the NFL, 437 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: are more valuable, they figured out, oh, if we work 438 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: together and negotiate our rights together, Yes, it does create 439 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 2: more parody and make it harder for the most valuable 440 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: team to win every single year. What it does is 441 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: it creates a level playing field, which creates more parity, 442 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: which creates more interest in our sport. So the answer 443 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: is twofold. Chip Kelly had right when he talked about 444 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: it this week that football needs to break off from 445 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: every other sport that football needs to have its own 446 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: independent situation, and then all the rest of the sports, 447 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: the Olympic sports can play regional ball for the most part. 448 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: And then of course like basketball. Of course people want 449 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 2: to see Gonzaga North Carolina in one off games, Duke 450 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: versus you know, Houston in one or Arizona and one 451 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 2: off games. Everybody wants to see those days. But the 452 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: thing that we have to get to football being independent 453 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: that conference affiliation. Throw that out the window for the 454 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: entire school because football is unique to everything. It's got 455 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: way more scholarships, got travel is less everything because people 456 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: talk about, oh my god, do you know how far 457 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: these football teams are going to be traveling? 458 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: Dude, it doesn't matter. It's like six times a year. 459 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: It's not a big deal. 460 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: But for all the rest of the sports, all the 461 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: jimmy rigging that's gonna have to be done for the 462 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: student athletes. 463 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: That's not cool. 464 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 4: No, it's not. And you're in your and I guess 465 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: you're right, and Chip Kelly's right in that like having 466 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 4: football be the driver of where every other where, every 467 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 4: other sport ends up having to travel to play really 468 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: seems close to bumping up against the Title nine issue 469 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: to me like a peripheral Title nine issue of like 470 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: football is getting money to be on TV. Therefore Oregon 471 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 4: softball has to go to Rutgers. 472 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: Why then, but but then football also pays for softball 473 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 2: to go to Rutgers. 474 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 4: Right right, But they don't want to go to Rutgers. 475 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 4: So it's like, thank you for being you know, you know, 476 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 4: thank you for funding this thing over funding this thing 477 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 4: that we that we don't even want to participate in. 478 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: So I do understand the appeal of having football being 479 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 4: broken off from everything else. I am personally a proponent 480 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 4: of revenue sports being broken off from everything else while 481 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 4: still funding uh, non revenue sports for the simple purposes 482 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: of being That's what I'm saying, is revenue sports off, 483 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 4: then you can pay the players. If you break revenue 484 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: sports off, then you can actually have players share in 485 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 4: the revenue and also kick revenue way too big a 486 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: piece piece of this pie goes back to administrators that 487 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 4: don't need it. 488 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: And and and I want to point that part out 489 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: is can we stop with the bs about complaining about 490 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: the transfer portal and NIL ruining sports? 491 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: How can you complain about those things? Ruining sports. 492 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: How can you complain about those things ruining sports when 493 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: these conferences they move whenever they want to. 494 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 4: And so do your coaches, and so to your assistant coaches. 495 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: Oh, but it's the players that are ruining everything. No, 496 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: they are just following suit. 497 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 4: Yes, I learned it from watching you, dad, I learned 498 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 4: it from watching you. 499 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 3: Yes, why are you smoking weed? Sude? What are you 500 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 3: talking about? Dad? 501 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: You own a cannabis farm and you s talk weed 502 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: in the garage every single night. 503 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 3: You know what? You know. 504 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 4: One of the things that's most frustrating to me is 505 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: that the TV networks are treating college football like it's 506 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 4: the stock market. Stocks are not always reflective of the 507 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 4: value of the company. Stocks are reflective of what traders 508 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 4: are willing to pay and supply and demand. 509 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: Yep. 510 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 4: So Texas is appealing to the SEC, not based on 511 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 4: what's been happening for the last decadeatly, but because of 512 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 4: their brand. Yep, because of their brand. That's why they're 513 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 4: appealing to the SEC. 514 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: Yes, because Texas. Because Utah football has been better than 515 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: Texas football for twenty years. 516 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: Yes. 517 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, overall, post Vince Young, the burnt Orange has just 518 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: been burnt Yeah, that twenty years is actually coming up. Yeah, 519 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 4: they're like eighteen years since the National championship, So in 520 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 4: two more years that statement I just said, it will 521 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 4: be a fact. If you were a baby in a 522 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 4: diaper shitting yourself when Texas won the National championship, you 523 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 4: then got to grow up watching Texas put your diaper 524 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 4: on and shit itself for eighteen years. Like they've not 525 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 4: been good, but it doesn't matter because of the work 526 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 4: they did already. 527 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: Like what it's like USC, What is USC done since 528 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: Pete Carroll left? 529 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 4: Not a lot? They got a Heisman last year, but 530 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: that's you know what, Yes. 531 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: The last last year was like the the We're back 532 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: season for USC and Texas. 533 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 3: How many times does Texas had. 534 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: A We're back season where where when they're at the 535 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: end of the year at the bowl game like we're back, 536 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: and then the next year there you're like, oh, they're 537 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: not back. 538 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 4: Uh. They have it every season, just like Nebraska. Just 539 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 4: like Nebraska, who the Big Ten wanted for their brand 540 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 4: value and who has not brought anything of value to 541 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 4: the Big Ten besides the loyalty of their fans, who 542 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 4: are getting screwed by being in appropriately placed in a conference, 543 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 4: which is can kept their athletic programs from functioning at 544 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 4: the level that they used to function at. This is 545 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 4: one of the reasons why Notre Dame stays on their own. 546 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 4: That's why they stayed doing what worked for them. 547 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 3: Like it. 548 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 4: If you do risk for increasing your bottom line, you 549 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 4: do risk removing yourself from what made you successful, from 550 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 4: your identity. You risk those things. Now, when I look 551 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 4: at the teams that have moved, things were already bad 552 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: enough in the Pac twelve that you know, I think 553 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 4: I said this on a couple other podcasts, and maybe 554 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 4: I said on Packed twelve Apostles last week. It's not 555 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 4: very often that your life raft is a yacht. And 556 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 4: for Washington, Oregon, UCLA, and USC that's exactly what this is. 557 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 4: Their life raft is. Yeah, they're going into a better situation, 558 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 4: and I do believe that the teams will be able 559 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 4: to compete in the Big ten. But I also think 560 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 4: there's definitely gonna be it's gonna be a pretty it's 561 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 4: gonna be a pretty big shakeup. 562 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 3: Oh did you see the recruiting rankings? 563 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: So so twenty four to seven finally moved this week. 564 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: On Wednesday, they moved the twenty twenty four rankings from 565 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 2: the PAC twelve to the Big ten. 566 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 3: Oh that makes it feel real, yeah, and to the 567 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 3: Big ten. 568 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: So Oregon, who was number one in the PAC twelve, 569 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 2: now Stanford is number one in the PAC twelve Oregon 570 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: States to Washington's three and cows four. 571 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: In the Big Ten. 572 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 2: In the Big twelve, guess who has the highest recruiting 573 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: class on twenty four to seven. It's UCF because they 574 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 2: have nine four stars, and you have Arizona. Arizona has 575 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 2: the second highest rated class fascinating at with twenty commits 576 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: at two point at two oh seven. And then the 577 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 2: next highest back twelve team so Texas Tech, Cincinnati, West Virginia, 578 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 2: and Kansas all have all have and Kansas with less 579 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 2: commits has a higher score than Arizona State. And then 580 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 2: you got to go all the way down. Colorado is 581 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 2: number twelve, number twelve with Dion, and Utah is number thirteen. 582 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 2: I'm less worried about Utah because they do this literally 583 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 2: every single year where they're never at the top and 584 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 2: then they figure something. So I'm less concerned about Utah. 585 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: And then you go to the Big ten. These big 586 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: brands go to the Big ten. Now, Oregon is the 587 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: highest rated Pac twelve team right now, and they are 588 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: number four behind Michigan State. I'm sorry, no excuse me, 589 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 2: behind Ohio State, who's number one and one of the 590 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 2: top in the country. Michigan number two, Penn State number three, 591 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 2: Oregon four. Now, Penn State does have twenty four commits 592 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: versus Oregon's twenty two commits, so and Oregon has a 593 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 2: higher average, so technically if they had the same amount 594 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: of recruits, they would probably be higher. Oregon has fifteen 595 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: four star players and is in the running for a 596 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 2: couple of five stars, and USC is five with but 597 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 2: does have a higher average with fifteen recruits. And then 598 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 2: you gotta go all the way down because remember we 599 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 2: gotta find UCLA and wash Washington's fifteen because remember Washington 600 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 2: was like their fans believe that they should be recruiting 601 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 2: in the top twenty five every single year. Ucla is sixteen. 602 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 2: They're sitting right there right nestled up next to Indiana 603 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 2: and Northwestern. No coach Northwestern. So that means Rutgers, Maryland, 604 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: and Illinois right now are in front of Washington and UCLA. 605 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 3: And remember. 606 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 2: In the Pac twelve, their fans will tell you recruiting 607 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: rankings don't matter. They don't in the micro because you 608 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 2: can you can develop kids and all of that. However, 609 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 2: if you don't fit, if you don't have a blue 610 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: Chip rating over fifty percent, history shows you cannot win 611 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 2: the national championship. 612 00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 3: So you can talk to me about all of this, 613 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 3: and that means that your coaches are really good. You 614 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 3: can win games. 615 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 2: But if you want to talk about winning national championships, 616 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 2: you better talk about recruiting rankings. 617 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you you can get in the door. You can. 618 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 4: You can get in the door TCU, TCU Cincinnati. You know, 619 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,919 Speaker 4: you can get in the door without but you got 620 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 4: to have everything come together. You've got to have really 621 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 4: good players. And then it just so happens when you 622 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 4: do go up against the team that has thirty five 623 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 4: stars over a five class period, it's gonna be tough 624 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 4: on you. 625 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 3: Yep, but. 626 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 4: Are you ready for this, George? Yeah, In twenty twenty four, 627 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 4: the Big Twelve will have sixteen teams. 628 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 2: Okay, right, no, no, have eighteen teams? 629 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 4: The Big twelve? 630 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 2: Oh no no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, sorry sorry, 631 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 2: these these these tens and twelves. When the math doesn't 632 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 2: add up is confusing sometimes I get it. 633 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 4: So if the Big twelve has sixteen teams in twenty 634 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 4: twenty four h it will be considered a power for 635 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 4: conference because I'm assuming even if Stanford and cal and 636 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 4: Washington State and Oregon State stay together, they bring up 637 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 4: the Mountain West, people aren't going to consider that a 638 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 4: power conference. So we we're currently in a situation where, 639 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 4: for the time being, we have a power for correct Yeah. Okay, 640 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 4: four major conferences. Four one of them has sixteen teams. 641 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 2: How many two of them have sixteen teams? Because you 642 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 2: have right right now, the. 643 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 3: SEC still has the sixteen teams. 644 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:45,280 Speaker 4: Okay, how many five star recruits from the twenty twenty 645 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 4: three class, So this class that is just showing up 646 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 4: at school right now will be in that sixteen team 647 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 4: Big four conference. I want you to guess, give me 648 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 4: a number. How many five star recruits? 649 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 2: And there are thirty two five star recruits in the 650 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 2: last class. 651 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 652 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 4: For anybody who doesn't know, there are usually thirty two 653 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 4: five star recruits in every class. It is the rankings 654 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 4: companies rivals twenty four to seven on three. It's their 655 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 4: projection of who will eventually be a first round NFL 656 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 4: Draft pick. That's what five star means, doesn't mean greatest 657 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 4: high school player, doesn't mean going to be the greatest 658 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 4: college player of all time. There are projections to who 659 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 4: they believe will eventually be a first round pick in 660 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 4: the NFL draft. Yes, So, how many from the class 661 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three amongst these sixteen teams in a 662 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 4: major power for college conference. 663 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 2: So just so everybody is clear, I mean, obviously everybody 664 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 2: knows that that's like UCF, Arizona, Utah. Well, there are 665 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 2: zero in the twenty twenty three class in any of 666 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: the teams that went to. 667 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 3: The Big twelve out of the Pac twelve. 668 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: So between Kansas State, Kansas is, Texas Tech, Baylor, Uh, 669 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 2: you know that whole crew TCU, the answer is zero, Ralph. 670 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 4: According to rivals, the answer is one where Cormani McClain 671 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 4: at Colorado. 672 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 3: Oh way, Colorado. God dang it, I forgot about him. 673 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 4: Only flipped from Florida because of Dion yep so one 674 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 4: a major conference, And I think this will explain some 675 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 4: of the reason why some of the presidents were a 676 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 4: little bit hesitant on going to the Big twelve. 677 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 3: Yes, because they were like we're back in the Pac twelve. 678 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 4: The Yeah, the remaining Big twelve schools without Texas and 679 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 4: Oklahoma do not recruit blue chips. The schools that are 680 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 4: leaving the Pac twelve for the Big twelve are few 681 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 4: and far between on landing a blue chip. 682 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 2: Yes, Arizona just landed their first. Well they they haven't 683 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 2: signed them yet, but they got a commitment from the 684 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 2: first five. 685 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 4: Star ever, right, Elijah Rushing. 686 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 2: Right, So this is first five star ever ever if 687 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,439 Speaker 2: they if they sign him ever. 688 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 4: Right, And that means that somebody back in the day 689 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 4: messed up on Gronk. I'm gonna throw that out there, 690 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 4: but like the idea, and I pointed this out and 691 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 4: I was like, this is no. 692 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 3: They didn't because he wasn't he wasn't a five star recruit. 693 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he wasn't a first round pick. 694 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 4: Oh that's true. Yeah, he was hurt a lot too, right. 695 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 696 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 4: But so the way, the way that I've been looking 697 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,959 Speaker 4: at this is like, all right, so these these TV 698 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 4: networks are throwing a bunch of mid together and trying 699 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 4: to package them is something that that isn't isn't mid, right, 700 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 4: Like I think the viewership will be there and there's 701 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 4: still a huge appetite for for college football twelve ball 702 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 4: for sure. Do you remember that movie The Big Short yep, 703 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 4: Like where that where Ryan Gosling's character explains, like how 704 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 4: they bundle together these bad loans and then sell them 705 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 4: off and you should bet against them. Well, I pointed 706 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 4: that out and somebody on Twitter just had the most 707 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 4: awesome tweet. They said, Yeah, this is the big sport, 708 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 4: Like we're being served this thing and being told that 709 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 4: it's great when the truth is, it's still not on 710 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 4: the level of like of the sec or of the 711 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 4: Big Ten when it comes to the Big twelve, and 712 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,720 Speaker 4: it's gonna it's gonna be really really interesting to see 713 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 4: if if you can convince recruits to be part of this, 714 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 4: to try to make it a more premier thing. But 715 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 4: the idea that it's sixteen schools with one five star 716 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 4: recruit from the twenty twenty three class and maybe one 717 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,799 Speaker 4: from the twenty twenty four class moving forward, like it's 718 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 4: still gonna be good football. But at you know, at 719 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 4: the end of the year, we're probably still gonna be 720 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 4: dealing with the teams that are bringing in you know, 721 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 4: four to five five stars every single time and that's 722 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 4: why I'm not necessarily worried about Oregon in the Big Ten. 723 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 4: UCLA and you see, USC will be interesting because they're 724 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 4: going to potentially be the only way for a California athlete, 725 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 4: which is a top three high school recruiting ground in America, 726 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 4: maybe top two. If you want to play in a 727 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 4: major conference in the state of California, you're only gonna 728 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 4: have two options. 729 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 3: Yep, that's a fact. 730 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 4: And in the thirty nine million person state, you're only 731 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 4: gonna have two options to play major college football as 732 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 4: part of a power conference, for sure, because Cal. You know, 733 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 4: Cal could find a home in the ACC, it doesn't 734 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 4: look like that's gonna happen. Stanford could find a home somewhere, 735 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 4: but you only have two choices. So I I think 736 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 4: I might have been selling UCLA short just based on 737 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 4: that alone. I think these teams coming over will be competitive. 738 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 4: I think Washington will be as well. I think the 739 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 4: four teams going to the Big Ten will all be 740 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 4: in the top half of the Big Ten. I believe. 741 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 2: Now before we get out of here, we've got to 742 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 2: get get out of here quickly. But the let's talk 743 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 2: about quickly. Where the where col Stanford, Oregon State, and 744 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 2: Washington State land. Because Washington State is sad right now, 745 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,280 Speaker 2: Oregon State is sad. There have been rumors floated about 746 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 2: Washington State and Oregon State. 747 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,320 Speaker 3: To the Big twelve. 748 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 2: Cal and Stafford to the acc where they're going to 749 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 2: have to do some sort of time travel to like 750 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 2: to like make the map work, because that map is 751 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 2: worse than the Big ten map. 752 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 3: Because at least they're fortunate. 753 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 4: Of Washington State President Pat Chun to call out Larry Scott. 754 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 2: Now, oh yeah, yeah, exact where where where where were 755 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 2: you when he was around here screwing everything up? 756 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been a good time to speak up, Pat. Yep. 757 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 2: So, so, uh so, where do you think that? And 758 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about this at the beginning of 759 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 2: next week. But where do you think that they that 760 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 2: those schools end up. 761 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 4: Stanford's never going to be part of the Mountain West. 762 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 4: And I don't blame. 763 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,919 Speaker 3: Them, nope, uh no, that doesn't fit. 764 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody else should jump in. 765 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 2: Jumping to jump into the Mountain West. Yes, oh no, bro, 766 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 2: I am trying to get into the if I am 767 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 2: Oregon State in Washington State, I am trying to get 768 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 2: into the big sport. I'm doing everything I can to 769 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 2: get into the big sport. I mean, I mean, I 770 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 2: know that they don't have SMU money. Where SMU is like, 771 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 2: we will take a distribution for five years if you'll 772 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 2: take us. Do you realize how desperate that is? 773 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:06,879 Speaker 4: That's pretty wide. 774 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 2: But but SMU would turn into a powerhouse quick. But 775 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 2: this is Oregon State. In Washington State's only hope. I 776 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,880 Speaker 2: think Stanford ends up independent book it? 777 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think so? Do you think Stanford would 778 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 4: be able to negotiate its own deal? I guess the 779 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 4: frustrating thing for me is, you're a high school football dad. 780 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 4: I'm a high school football dad. I'm a high school 781 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 4: football reporter. For twenty thousand dollars, you could stream your 782 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 4: athletic event on NFHS. Well could like this idea that 783 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 4: like all these all. 784 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 3: These and then produce your own stuff. 785 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and most of these, most of these schools have 786 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 4: journalism schools. Yeah, a lot of the journalism students are 787 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 4: already the ones helping produce the content for stuff like 788 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 4: PAC twelve network. Like, there's nothing stopping Stanford from just 789 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 4: being like here's the Stanford Channel. Yeah, twenty three hours 790 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 4: of people arguing about climate science, followed by an hour 791 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 4: of volleyball. 792 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. 793 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,760 Speaker 2: Well, we will pick this conversation up at the beginning 794 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,760 Speaker 2: of next week. 795 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,240 Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys are happy that PAC. 796 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 2: Twelve Apostles is back for its final season to be 797 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 2: reborn as something else. And you guys make sure that 798 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 2: you guys leave five star reviews wherever you listen to 799 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 2: your podcast and send us an email I'm mad at 800 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 2: unafraidshow dot com. And yeah, and you can text us. 801 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 2: I got to remember the phone number because it's been 802 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 2: a while, but peace out, Catch you guys later.