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Speaker 3: the only, always, the incomparable. Now with the voice Dan

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Speaker 3: Rubinstein from Chicago, Illinois, sir, how are you, my man?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I always hope that when I lose my

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Speaker 2: And it always just comes back with my lame, old

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Speaker 2: Unlike some teams. Unlike some teams transition to a game

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Speaker 2: that we're gonna a little bit later. But yeah, this

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Speaker 3: Can you play that sound that you pulled for this

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Speaker 3: freaking out man from Brooklyn nine.

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Speaker 2: Nine, right, the great Jason Matsukus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love it, Love it. So we're gonna do news.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about freakouts or whether you should

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Speaker 2: You'll let a book correct five star quarterback all about

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Speaker 2: the journey not just in getting the the elusive five

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Speaker 2: and the expectations saddled upon them, be it fair or unfair,

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Speaker 2: And so yogis also always terrific in terms of perspective

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Speaker 2: from quarterbacks, and that world so excited to hear more

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Speaker 2: just a huge number of former blue blue blue chip quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Should we just dive in and talk about news, Dan,

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Speaker 3: I'm always ready to do since we're saving our voice,

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Speaker 3: The big news, and it's not even a pure college

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Speaker 3: So the writing was on the wall for quite some time.

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Speaker 3: His career NFL record eleven and twenty seven, obviously not

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Speaker 2: In Yeah and there. It's for a specific reason with

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Speaker 2: The other point is that this isn't twenty nineteen Matt rule.

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen Matt Rule. Matt Ruhle had aspirations of becoming

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Speaker 3: But with that being said, if you are a college,

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'd love to. Let's freak out momentary.

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Speaker 3: Oh freaking out man, Yeah, all right, let's do it.

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Speaker 2: All right, first team I think is the most freak

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Speaker 3: At the moment, I think it's like a solid two

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Speaker 2: I would say full on freak out about this year.

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Speaker 2: You should freak out because it doesn't appear that there

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Speaker 3: hope beyond this season, even with more talent coming in,

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Speaker 3: that they're going to be able to build towards something,

437
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 3: They're going to be able to get aligned and make

438
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 3: this thing better moving forward. You know, you can only

439
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: play the excuse for so long that the talent's not there,

440
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 3: that the talent's too young, or that we're still implementing

441
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: our system. At some point soon it's going to be

442
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 3: put up or shut up time. Interestingly, when we talk

443
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: about the Matt Ruhle thing, right, I would expect on

444
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 3: some level just go to messageboard geniuses, any of those

445
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: great Twitter bounce that. Yep, take a look at message boards.

446
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: I would suspect that you're going to see tech SAgs

447
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 3: dot com talking about guys like role you know, somebody

448
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 3: else who's already gotten it done. In the state of Texas,

449
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 3: a talent developer, what have you. You know, imagine what

450
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: he could do with this talent pool. You're going to

451
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: start to see some pressure like that if we don't

452
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: get some indication soon that things are going in a

453
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: different direction at a M. So I'm if I'm a fan,

454
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 3: I feel almost a little bit rudderless. You know, it's

455
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: not a total tire fire, but I just don't know

456
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 3: what the future looks like. And that scares me.

457
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: All of the things that you mentioned Y one hundred

458
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: percent correct, I know. Good, So we agree text A

459
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: and M is fascinating. So they have not been incredible

460
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: against the run as we've seen kind of all year

461
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: long against teams like Appstate and now most recently Alabama.

462
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 2: And I mean the concern to me is the quarterback

463
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: thing that Jimbo Fisher is to say like, oh, to

464
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: assign him as like the QB whisper is not accurate.

465
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: He hasn't been that in a long time since Jameis

466
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: Winston essentially, But to say that like they are screwing

467
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: up in the same ways or disappointing in the same

468
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: way as year over year that like, yes, Kellen Mond

469
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 2: had some good moments right that, like he was a playmaker,

470
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: he improved over the course of his time there, but

471
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 2: the offense was never truly dangerous against the best teams.

472
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: And so there's no clear reason unless you're like a

473
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: Connor Wegman is so good that he will overcome how

474
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: he's coached or something like that that you should full

475
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: on freak out because texts A and M against the

476
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: run on defense, throwing the ball on offense that there

477
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: hasn't been we're five years in, are we not five

478
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 2: years into the Jimbo Fisher experience? Even throw the money away,

479
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 2: which is what Texas A and M is doing. Throw

480
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: the money element aside, you look for improvement. They've recruited

481
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 2: in acquiring town. The roster is as strong as it's

482
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: ever been in college station. But the manner in which

483
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: they're losing, like the best of Texas A and M

484
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: by and large, is we almost beat this excellent team.

485
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: That's like kind of the highlight they beat Alabama last year.

486
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: They've hung with really really good teams, but they're lows

487
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: are still so disappointingly low that it's hard to see

488
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: they're spending money on assistance. They're doing all the things

489
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: that you would like them to do, but it's hard

490
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: to see things changing. It almost seems just like an

491
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: internal culture thing. I think Kirk Herbstreet talked about this,

492
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: where it's just like there's something off that they're week

493
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: to week not playing like they expect to compete and

494
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 2: beat the best, and it's hard to reverse that. So

495
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, full on freak out.

496
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 3: I'm with you, I'm with you, Next team, next team.

497
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: I have here? Should we be talking about Florida State,

498
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: Jimbo's former team. Let's make that an easy transition. Should

499
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: Florida State fans with some interesting highs some pretty back

500
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: breaking lows these past few years, This looked to be

501
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: a year and we're only halfway through that. They have

502
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: addressed things in the portal, that they're healthier, that the

503
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: more playmakers on both sides of the ball coming in,

504
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: and yet they go behind early and lose, they go

505
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: up early and lose, they're unable to close things out.

506
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: What did I call Mike Norvell after you were so

507
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: high on Florida State early? Did I call them Sunshine State?

508
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: James Franklin something like that.

509
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: You may have issued that statement, Yes.

510
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: Is it too early for Florida State fans only a

511
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: little bit. That's not a little bit, but what three

512
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: years now into Mike Norvell's tenure too early to freak

513
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: out or approate.

514
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: Don't freak out, Okay, no freakout is required in this instance.

515
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 3: I am proud to say, understand the circumstances here, Mike,

516
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: Mike Norvell. Excuse me, I like Torvell. Mike Norvell took

517
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: over in twenty twenty. I made crazy circumstances. There were

518
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: culture issues almost from the jump when he got that job.

519
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: He did the best he could. Twenty twenty was in

520
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: a great year. Twenty twenty one had a really rocky start.

521
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: He steadied the Ships somewhat and the season finished out

522
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: with them nearly making a bowl game, just lost to

523
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: Florida in that rivalry game to close out the year.

524
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: The start so far this season has been a lot

525
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: more promising, right, it's been a lot more promising. They

526
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: beat LSU. Now LSU's kind of gone through its own transition.

527
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think all things considered, Florida States in

528
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 3: a much much better place where we're not talking about

529
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: are the Knowles going to miss out in a bowl game?

530
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: The way we did a year ago. The schedule in

531
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: front of them is not the easiest, but this team

532
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: is a lot better. Jordan Travis has been a lot

533
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: better when he's out there and healthy. He's been a

534
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: lot better. This game that they've got coming up now

535
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: this week, Week seven against Clemson, I think will give

536
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: them an opportunity to showcase how much better they have gotten.

537
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: They're only a four and a half point dog in

538
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: that game, so I think, all things considered, albeit kind

539
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: of a slow and grinding and grueling build, I think

540
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: Mike Norvell has done a pretty good job at Florida State.

541
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: There are things that be improved. Mike Norvell also went

542
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: out for his part and recruited via the portal, brought

543
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: in some talent that can be helpful. Did that last

544
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: year as well. So this is a guy who I

545
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: think has done a good job studying the ship. He

546
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: has slowly and steadily gotten better at talent acquisition. Maybe

547
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: not the Travis Hunter thing, Okay, I'll give you that,

548
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: but I at least feel like this program is going

549
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: in a good direction. So maybe the results aren't there

550
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: yet to the quite to the extent that you would

551
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: like to see but it at least feels like things

552
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: are going in a better, more stable direction, And I

553
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: think that's good. So I would not freak out.

554
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: I freak out. Why what's the best result this here?

555
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, it's the best result this here like sneaking

556
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: by Louisville when Jordan Travis got hurt and having Tay

557
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: Roddemaker make plays Louisville who'd lost to Boston College. By

558
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: the way, I know, this is very a very transitive

559
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: way of looking at Florida State season thus far. Yeah, Okay,

560
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: what do they need to beat LSU? What do they

561
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: need from LSU? Or what do they not from themselves? Right?

562
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: I get it. So the muffed punts in the midst

563
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: you know, blocking of humans on kicking attempts. What is

564
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: the best result? Like you can point to whatever numbers

565
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: you want to say that, Like, Okay, they're preventing big

566
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: plays and you know some of the corners are stepping up,

567
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: and Jared Versus has been really good and the offensive

568
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: line is no longer a catastrophe? What is that added

569
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: up to thus far? As you say, their schedule gets harder, right, So, like,

570
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: I mean I think it does. But we have seen

571
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: two straight games now, one against Wake Forest this past

572
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: week on the road at NC State, where we have

573
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: seen different versions of Florida State, right, I mean, obviously

574
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: the Wake Forest game had an entirely different tenor than

575
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: the NC State game, a game that they were up

576
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: seventeen to three in and then subsequently surrendered the lead.

577
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: So you want to see them minimize those types of games,

578
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: and I think Clemson this week.

579
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: Gives them another opportunity to do so. I know a

580
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: lot of people picking out Florida State to win that game, outright,

581
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: I think they've got the talent to do it. I'm

582
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: not totally convinced that they will, but I think just

583
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: the fact that they are in some of these games,

584
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: the fact that it does not feel like the program

585
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: has gaping holes the way it did a year or

586
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: two ago, that represents progress for me. So it may

587
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: not be the type of thing where Florida State goes

588
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: ten and two, nine and three in twenty twenty two,

589
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: but it at least feels like Mike Norvell's got the

590
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: ship going in the right direction. So no, no freakout

591
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: from me, man, I don't know.

592
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: It's not a sure thing at Syracuse is not a

593
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: sure thing at Miami, though it's getting closer. It's not

594
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: a sure thing against Florida obviously, not a sure thing

595
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: against Clemson. And so now if you're Florida State, you're saying,

596
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: can we get to seven wins? That can get the

597
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: seven wins, we can get to seven. I'm just saying,

598
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: like Wake Forest and NC State are good programs, they should.

599
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: I think I'm looking at the advanced stats right now.

600
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: I think we're looking at being favored to win in

601
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: five of their next six, five of their final six games.

602
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: Clemson's the only one. I'm just not there with Florida State,

603
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: like in year three, with talent that's seemingly available both

604
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: in the portal and locally. I just they're finding weird

605
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: different in ways to lose in a variety of different patterns.

606
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm out.

607
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: Well, the wake Forest game was bad. They were bad

608
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: in the wake Forest game. And wake Forest is a

609
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: good team. Though a Lake Forest is a good team,

610
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: they deserve to lose. An NC State's defense at least

611
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: is pretty good, and they played long enough to win

612
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: in that game. It wasn't pretty offensively, but at least

613
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: for one half they played well enough to win. They

614
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: gave it away in the second. So let's go next team,

615
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: next team.

616
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: All right, our final team is we hit. Let's see

617
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: those four teams. So I guess Washington. Let's go back

618
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: across the country. Washington is. It's sort of been a

619
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: tale of two seasons for the Huskies. They start out

620
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: demolishing teams, including Michigan State, riding high. I think they're

621
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: ranked in the top twenty. They lose on a Friday

622
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: night to UCLA, and you can say to yourself, well,

623
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: Ucla just be Utah. Ucla might be a pretty decent team,

624
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: if not a really good team. Then they lose to

625
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Arizona State. Yeah, and so it is year one of

626
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: Kalin de boor so it's I think it's almost never

627
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: worth freaking out about. We both agreed not to freak

628
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: out about Brent Venables in Oklahoma. Is there any reason

629
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: with usc building things up at least before they leave

630
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: for the Big ten and Ucla looking good, Oregon looking good,

631
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: Utah continuing to look at least pretty good that Washington

632
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: fans should be freaking out? Is there reason for Husky

633
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: fans to be like, man, I don't know if we're

634
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 2: ever going to get over any sort of you know,

635
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: impressive hump with Kailin de Boor.

636
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: I think last year was the freakout year. I think

637
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: last year was the freakout year. I would not be

638
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: inclined to freak out at this point. You ever have

639
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: a goldfish and take it from warm water to cold water?

640
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: It's so specific. Maybe I don't know, you know.

641
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: What that does? How it kind of shocks them and

642
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: the fish doesn't know what to do. That was the

643
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one season for Washington. Now we're back in

644
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: more tepid waters where presumably that shock isn't gonna fully

645
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: kick in. They are still coming down from that shock

646
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: wave last season though, And I think, if I'm a

647
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: Washington fan, I look at this defense and I say, eh,

648
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: what happened? What happened to his defense? It got really bad,

649
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: really quick. This is coming from a place last season

650
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: where the defense was the only thing that was good.

651
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: The offense was stuck in the mud with the John

652
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: Donovan system. So now kind of on the heels of

653
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: the whole Jimmy Lake thing, and they got that out

654
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: of their system. They're going in a new direction. The

655
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: offense is clearly better, and so if you're a Washington fan,

656
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: at least you have that. You have that you know

657
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: at this point that you're not the number fifteen team

658
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: in the country, but you also know looking ahead at

659
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: the schedule, you've got games that are very winnable. You

660
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: can beat Arizona this week. Yeah, you can beat cal

661
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: the week after. You could definitely beat Colorado, maybe even

662
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: Washington State. This is a team that's going to go

663
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: to a bowl game. By the way, you still have

664
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Speaker 3: a big game on the road at Oregon. So there

665
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: are enough games on this remaining schedule that I think

666
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: Washington still have a really good season. There are enough

667
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: high level opponents in the form of Oregon that you

668
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: can still go or even Oregon State, right like, you

669
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: can go out there, you can show out and show

670
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: what you're made of. You can put up points against

671
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: probably both of those teams and maybe still a win.

672
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 3: So I don't think the season is lost. I just

673
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: think that what we know about Washington, what we thought

674
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: we knew after they beat teams like Michigan State, maybe

675
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: time to pump the brakes a little bit, But sure,

676
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: this team is still in a pretty good spot. The

677
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: system under Kaalin de Bor has clearly produced a better offense.

678
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: If you're a Washington fan, you're wondering what happened to

679
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: the defense, But I think Debor is a good coach

680
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: and they'll come around to do time, maybe just not

681
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two.

682
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would cool down if you're a Washington and

683
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: fan freaking out, but I would monitor a couple of things,

684
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: like there's no clear quarterback of the future, and that's

685
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: worrisome to me that they haven't, you know, found that

686
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: guy and whether it was Sam Hewart, and you know,

687
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Apple Cup last year fully

688
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: broke him. But there's no clear quarterback of the future.

689
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: Recruiting has been fine, but not incredible, not where it

690
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: was under the heights of Chris Peterson, at least early

691
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: on the talent level on the roster. To bridge the

692
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: gap between the Jimmy Lake and I guess the end

693
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: of the Chris Peterson era to the Kailen de Boer era,

694
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: I don't think is incredible. It hasn't been a huge, huge,

695
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: high level portal destination, though Michael Pennix early on proved

696
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: that it could be early on, and so that's what

697
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: worries me a little bit that I'm worried that they're

698
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: not going to be able to get top twenty ish

699
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: classes to Seattle more often than not. I'm worried with

700
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: the way that Oregon and the LA schools again, the

701
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: LA schools are not around for a ton of time.

702
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: Arizona State will get better in Arizona State just beat

703
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: them with an interim coach, that there is a weird

704
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: ceiling involved, that Washington will be pretty good but not

705
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: reach the heights of the Chris Peterson era with Kaylen

706
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: de Born. Well, and look that's fair. Washington, though the

707
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: remainder of the season again a favorite per some of

708
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: the advanced numbers. In six of their next seven games.

709
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: Who do they miss from the South? If you're looking

710
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: at the schedule right now, Usc, they miss usc anybody

711
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: else Utah see. So that's pretty decent, right, So I

712
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: wouldn't fully freak out. You're gonna win games, but there

713
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: are a couple things that worry me that the pop

714
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball might not come back

715
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: from where it was a few years ago.

716
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Speaker 3: Yes, let us know your thoughts. We're at soliverbo at

717
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: gmail dot com, where atver Ballers dot com. And of

718
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: course we're all across social media. Be at Twitter, be

719
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: it Instagram, be it Facebook, be it pretty much everywhere.

720
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Speaker 3: If there is a platform, we are there.

721
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Speaker 2: That's true. And with that, I am beyond thrilled, beyond thrilled.

722
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: He said, to bring on Yogi Roth, who is one

723
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: of the ultimate slashes, right, that's his goal to be

724
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Speaker 2: the Cordell Stewart of media and entertainment and books and

725
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: whatever comes next. You will be on there telling stories

726
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: and making content. But this time Yogi Roth is the author,

727
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: the co author of five Star Quarterback, a book about

728
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: and this is me talking the experience, the highs, the lows,

729
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: the triumphs, the heartbreaks of being a quote unquote five

730
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Speaker 2: star quarterback? Is that correct?

731
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Speaker 1: That is it that you nailed it, bro, You nailed it?

732
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Speaker 2: Love it? Okay? So I gave you my logline the highs, lows, triumphs, heartbreaks.

733
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: This is a book that you speak to fifty is

734
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: that correct? Fifty former five star quarterbacks? Fifty four fifty four.

735
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: And it's not like what the Marines say, right, Once

736
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: a marine, always a marine. You're a five star quarterback

737
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: for like a year and a half or two years,

738
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: and then you're just a human trying to succeed at

739
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: college football in life. Correct.

740
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fascinating because some guys like Cam

741
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: Rising was like when I called him, He's like, I

742
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: didn't even know I was. So we went through every

743
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: recruiting service and some have composites, some have like five

744
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: star rank like, so we just went down and we looked,

745
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: and we found one hundred and thirty four quarterback since

746
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: two thousand the rankings began, which was the year I

747
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: came out. It's when rankings began. I remember going to

748
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: my first Nike camp at Penn State and we just

749
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: built out like you would a spreadsheet and just started

750
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: reaching out to guys. And some we got immediate response from,

751
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Clauson and Josh Rosen and huge names. Some

752
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: were like, I'm not ready to go there yet. That

753
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: scab is too sensitive for me. And some like we

754
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything on like Matt Levechio was trying to

755
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: find or Jeff Smoker, you know, guys from way back

756
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: in the day. So we got back Justin'swick because like

757
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: the oldest guy that we have from Ohio State in

758
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: the book from way back in the day. It's some

759
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: really fun ones and it was just such a joy

760
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: for me to talk to guys like Ryan Parallel, who

761
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: I never met, and then also talked to Sam Hewart,

762
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: who I've known since he was in like eighth grade.

763
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: So that conversation and the insights those guys on Earth

764
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: were really cool. And as we learned, as you would

765
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: imagine Dan, as we get older, the wisdom also got better.

766
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: I think I talked to Tyler Palco right who I

767
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: played with and now he's almost forty. That insight was

768
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: different than Kayla Williams, who's like in it, or Bo Nicks,

769
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: who's in it right now, and that was I think

770
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: the fun dance of hopefully what the book offers people.

771
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: So you said the scab was too fresh for some

772
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: What does that mean? What is the scab that? And

773
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: I know everybody has different scabs, different war it's different

774
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: scar tissue. But when you say that that it was

775
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: still too real or too painful or too traumatic, what

776
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: is that in reference to?

777
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's two specific individuals that jump to mind,

778
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: and I don't want to share their namely sensitivity to them,

779
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: but they were huge names. One transferred. They both transferred

780
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: multiple times, never panned out where they went, and they

781
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: were both interested in it. And as we continue to

782
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: talk and as they festered on like hey, are you

783
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: interested in contributing to the book? Basically the way that

784
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: it worked is for seventy percent of these guys, like

785
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: we sent him a Google doc and said, hey, right,

786
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: whatever comes to mind, we'll change grammar, but really won't

787
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: mess with anything else. And prior to even getting to

788
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: that instance, they both took a week or two and

789
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: then called me back. And I remember one of the

790
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: calls was I don't want to say it was angry,

791
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: but it was like venting. People have been labeling me

792
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: my whole life, and that's really the reality around being

793
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: a five star quarterback. You get thrust this label upon

794
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: you that you never asked for, and then you have

795
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: to live up to other people's expectations. And it was

796
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: really like a vent session of like I don't want

797
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: to do this, like I don't want to go there, right,

798
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: And then the other one was like I'm not ready

799
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: to go there because I'm kind of scared to see

800
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: what happens if I do. And I say that because

801
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: there are other examples like Ryan Burn's Gunner Keel. There's

802
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: some brilliant examples in this book. As I just look

803
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: at the cover of Guys Ryan Parleiu was an amazing

804
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: one where they did open up and it was like

805
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: a couple hours worth of conversations and they had to

806
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: take multiple days to either fill out their form or

807
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: communicate with me or Joey Roberts, the co author on

808
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: this thing, and man it was it was just a

809
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: really strong reminder of what you just said of like

810
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: they're human beings. And I don't think this book is

811
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: meant to make fans feel bad for expectations or recruiting

812
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: services feel bad or I don't feel bad for any

813
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: of these players in terms of, you know, being highly

814
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: recruited and people loving them. But I do think there's

815
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: another side of the coin that we don't show because

816
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: we see helmets and that's why the cover, I mean,

817
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: you know the cover, the cover as I hold it

818
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: up here, Yeah, they're faces and I did that on purpose,

819
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: so we get to know what they look like. Because

820
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: I think when we think Kyle Allen, we think oh

821
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: A and M like top quarterback in America, Like didn't

822
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: make it. We think about the NFL right now, or

823
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: we think of some of the guys that've gone to Alabama,

824
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: like Blake Barnett, he's in the book and we're like, oh, yeah,

825
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: I remember that first game against sc and then in

826
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: came Jalen Hurts and he's a total boss, and then

827
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: he with ASU and then he bounced again. It's like no, no, no,

828
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: hold up, Like these are actual humans there. Garret Gilbert

829
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: like started came in in the title game and never

830
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: lived up to the hype, and then transfer like it

831
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: was just really cool. Will Greer, like a lot of

832
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: the names of these guys I think shine a light

833
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: on their experience that fans don't know and they don't

834
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: really care about right until it's over.

835
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Speaker 2: So the idea is fascinating because quarterback, as has been

836
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: written about. Our friend Bruce Feldman wrote a book called

837
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: The QB Right where dealing with the seemingly random nature

838
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: of quarterback success. That we can look at a kid

839
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: ninth grade, eleventh grade, tenth grade, whatever, and say, this

840
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: guy appears to have it right. He's physically developed, he

841
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: wins a ton of games, he shines at these camps.

842
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: But when you compare these sought after quarterbacks, these blue

843
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: chip quarterbacks to some of their peers who excel at

844
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: other sports. Right, a basketball player, a pitcher, a track star, whoever.

845
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: You know, guys are good, and it's obvious. You know

846
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: that if a guy is running a ten second one

847
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: hundred yard dash, well that there's his number. Right, he's set.

848
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter where he goes to school, because he's

849
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: going to run that, presumably with a pitcher. If he's

850
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: hitting ninety eight on the gun, if he's striking out guys,

851
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: he's good. Like he is in control, she is in

852
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: control of destiny. On the basketball court, right, you're matched

853
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: up against the best, you defeat the best mano Amano.

854
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: Football is a sport where there's like forty four variables

855
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: that are standing in your way if you are a

856
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: quote unquote star quarterback, standing in your way between you

857
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: and perceived success. Whether it's the coach leaving, whether it's

858
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: the offensive line being bad, whether it's your receiver dropping balls,

859
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: whether it's your coach leaving, whether it's your coach staying

860
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: and he turns out he lied to you. Like, there's

861
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: all sorts of things that if you are the next

862
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: superstar athlete playing something else you don't have to deal with. Obviously,

863
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: injury risk is much more pronounced at the same time

864
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: as well, Do people have a sense for that? Do

865
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: you feel like do people have sense about how random

866
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: success is even though these guys are bestowed with this

867
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: title zero chance?

868
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean think about it, Like, let's just talk

869
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: about your school at Oregon. Sure, Ty Thompson was a

870
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: huge recruit. Bo Knicks is a five star player. He's

871
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: in the front cover of this book. Go back to

872
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: week one. Insert in Ty Thompson bow Knicks can't play.

873
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: He's bo Picks. Like, let's just do what everybody did

874
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: at Auburn, right, boo him off the field. I mean,

875
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: BOE's a guy who they were chanting his name on

876
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: his visit and then towards the end of his career

877
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: they're chanting his name, but booing him off the field, right.

878
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: And I think fans we all want the quick fix, right,

879
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: and we can get affirmation around that because of how

880
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: social media is in real time and games, And what

881
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: I think we often forget is that, at least in

882
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, bro, and I think you'd agree, the quarterback

883
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: position is the most intricate position in sports and is

884
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: a developmental position. And guys like Jalen Hurts two tongue

885
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: of VLOA, Trevor Lawrence ruin the idea of developmental Yes,

886
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: totally so now because recruiting is so big and we

887
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 1: just signed our top guy, everybody's expected to be those

888
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: individuals when they show up on campus and the reality

889
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: is to put a ball on the organ thing. Ty Thompson,

890
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: talented quarterback elite arm took his high school team from

891
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: very average two state finals, Like is a winner. He's

892
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: in his second system in his second year in college.

893
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Let's just pump the brakes and let him develop. And

894
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: I look at guys that I got the chance to coach.

895
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: Matt Lioner sat for three years, Mark Sanchez sat for

896
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: three years. John David Boodie sat for three years. Like

897
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you need to sit that long anymore,

898
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: because I think offenses are allowing players to play earlier.

899
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: I think the QB development that is being done by

900
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: all these QB coaches is incredible. Earlier, the specialization in

901
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: the sport, I don't agree with it, but it's allowing

902
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: the development to occur at a rapid rate, guys are

903
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: more prepared to play now. But to expect greatness from

904
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: jump is really hard. I mean it's really hard at

905
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: any level. Like look at Russell Wilson. Why did he

906
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: thrive in Seattle? They ran the daylights out of the ball. Yeah,

907
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: and an awesome defense. Like and I'm a Russell guy.

908
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: But if you said, hey, drop back fifty times and

909
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: be David Carr, Derek be one of those big, huge

910
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: names and you just got to get thrust into the

911
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: action early on your career, like you would have a

912
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: lot of success, rightly, So yeah, you're right, Like Jake

913
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: Rodriguez is he's in the book, and he's the guy

914
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: that I thought I'd call them Baby Sanchez. He's the

915
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: guy who was one hundred percent wrong on if you

916
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: project out what he did or did not do in

917
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: his career, and he went to Oregon, maybe should have

918
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: gone there. Like the circumstances I think factor into it incredibly.

919
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: What is it about the evaluation process, because I mean famously,

920
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: guys are called the next big thing as ninth graders, which,

921
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: by the way, if you had called me anything as

922
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: a ninth grader, you would have been wrong, because I

923
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: would not have lived up to the potential that you

924
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: would have put on me unless it was pretty decent

925
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: number two doubles player for my tennis team. So the

926
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: evaluation process and the people making these evaluations and giving

927
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: out the stars, they're the first to tell you this

928
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: is a projection, this is not this is something that

929
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: we are saying. We could see this happening based on

930
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: his maturity and growth and the way he performs at

931
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: kind of random events. Right, we don't know the high

932
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: school level competition. We don't know what camps do or

933
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: don't do. As for making a quarterback a completed product,

934
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: what is it that you think the evaluators get most

935
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: not wrong, but can't evaluate.

936
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot there. There's so much there. And

937
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm coming out of the most recent only eleven where

938
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: nil is really factoring into recruiting. So I'm going to

939
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: try to be pseudobly brief here, But I think s.

940
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: A.

941
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: I think it's hard. Like I've got a ton of

942
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: empathy for Brandon Hoffman, Greg Biggins, like people who are

943
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: doing the EU or at camps, watching and shorts and

944
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: a T shirt and following high school games all season long,

945
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: like it it's hard to figure it out, right, Like

946
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: you can go to modern day and Saint John Bosco

947
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: and on one hand, you're like, this guy's a dude

948
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: because he's playing with dudes and I could see it

949
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: happening at the next level. And on the other you're like, well,

950
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: he's got everybody around him to mask any efficient season

951
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: they have. Like there's two sides of that dialogue. So

952
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: I think number one, it's dramatically challenging. I think you

953
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: have to try to tap into the makeup of what

954
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: this individual is, and I think that's really hard. I

955
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: think when we get them at the elite eleven, it

956
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: allows us to project out a little bit. Now, we

957
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: don't necessarily do that because you don't want to crush

958
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: your guy, but you could tell a okay, who's a

959
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: natural passer, who has a competitive temperament, who's got the

960
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: tools around him in his own life to be able

961
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: to manage what he's about to walk into. You can

962
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: kind of tell like who's going to struggle with that

963
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: and who's not. It's pretty easy to see. And then

964
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: I think to your point of like you get there

965
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: and you figure it out. Now, what I think is

966
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge once you get there to living up

967
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: to that next and I see it in LA all

968
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: the time, is that you come in with this external reality,

969
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: external reality. Let's just be an LA recruit who goes

970
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: to an LA school. Your whole community is telling you

971
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: how great you are. And you walk into that facility

972
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: and the film is telling you something different, saying, hey,

973
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: you got to work on this timing temple, anticipation, academics, socially,

974
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Then you walk out and everybody's

975
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: telling you how great you are and taking shots of

976
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: the coaching staff and they'll love you. And then you

977
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: have these conflicting realities. And that is what I would

978
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: see is the number one thing that doesn't allow quarterbacks

979
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: to live up or tap into, let alone maximize any

980
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: type of potential, because they're living a duality than their

981
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: life and performance. And I think it's hard now because

982
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: now you enter the nil space, as I referenced, be

983
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: a parent, be a player, and you're told by every

984
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: one of these companies to grow your social, grow your social,

985
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: grow your social, tap into that community because you'll make

986
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: more money well as you're tapping into that community. I

987
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: found one quarterback and my twenty plus years now in

988
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: this space, who in high school was working with a

989
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: high performance psychologist. Wow. My onint is that like none

990
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: of them have the tools to manage that expectation, the

991
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: business associated with it, and the ultimate failure that you're

992
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: gonna have because you're not gonna complete twenty for twenty.

993
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: Every game, you're gonna throw a pick, you're gonna lose

994
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: a game, you're gonna take the blame, You're gonna get

995
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: lit up in your DM. So I think there's a

996
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: dance there. And that's why I love this book so much,

997
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: of not because what we said, and not even only

998
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: what the quarterback said, but the advice from what we

999
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: put in the book. Ambassadors of the Game, Chip Kelly,

1000
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: Dan Lanning, Jed Fish, Ryan Day, Pete Carroll, John Schneider,

1001
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: Brenda Tracy, the Holinski family, doctor Michael Gervai, like Jake Dickard,

1002
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: Like I can go on and on on the voices

1003
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: that contributed to just some tools of these guys say hey, man,

1004
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: like let's frontload some mental skills. Let's see if we

1005
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: can help you out just a little bit. Because you're

1006
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: walking into this world that is really early on in recruiting,

1007
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: but it will take a turn. And that's where I

1008
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: get really nervous. Like more and more I get away

1009
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: from writing this book. It's really a book about mindset.

1010
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: It's my mindset on a visit. What's my mindset when

1011
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: I decommit, what's my mindset when I transfer? So my

1012
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: mindset when I want to say yes to a school.

1013
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: But I don't really feel it, like what's my mindset?

1014
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: And that's where I think the advice of the quarterbacks

1015
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: comes in.

1016
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: The hurdle seems to be And I like that you

1017
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: mentioned that you have the helmetless pictures of all these

1018
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: quarterbacks on the cover of your book. The hurdle seems

1019
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: to be when you say five star quarterback. What you're

1020
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: saying is, we collectively have this habit of referencing high

1021
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: school players prospects coming into college as data points, right,

1022
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: that they're coming in as a URL on twenty four

1023
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: to seven or on three or ESPN or scout, whatever,

1024
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: that they are data points in a database. And because

1025
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: of this, which is it's not saying it's wrong or right,

1026
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: because it has raised the profile of a ton of

1027
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: kids and given opportunity to a ton of kids going

1028
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: to college, getting to play out dreams, getting to you know,

1029
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 2: get their shake at the NFL, starred and whatever, someday,

1030
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: fingers crossed, whatever. How do you overcome the culture of

1031
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: data points when they're wearing helmets, when they're seen as

1032
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: a piece to a class, and it's a reality of

1033
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: the sport that it's a pass fail no pun intended, right,

1034
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: it's a past fail grade. You were either a blue

1035
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: chip quarterback who comes in and fulfills the promise or

1036
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: onto next year's guy. How do you overcome that data

1037
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: point viewpoint that so many fans seem to hold within

1038
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: the sport.

1039
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: I think it's a challenge, Like to be really straight up,

1040
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a challenge. I think, and this is

1041
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: what I do. I do media training for the EEG

1042
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: eleven and I did it this year. Also, I've done

1043
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: it every year for the college guys. College guys this

1044
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: year or Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud, during Thompson Robinson, Kayleb Williams,

1045
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: and NC State Devin Larry, Devin Larry.

1046
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.

1047
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: So, as we're in this dialogue, same one I did

1048
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: with high school kids, do the same presentation of the

1049
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: college kids and a college young man, and the whole

1050
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: conversation is around are you helping the person asking the

1051
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: question get to know you? And I think there's a

1052
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: world in the media, and you can call media, Instagram,

1053
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: your own page, you can call the media. This podcast

1054
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: you call the media and a New York Times whatever,

1055
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: And I think there's a world where athletes are growing

1056
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: and evolving in terms of sharing their story. And I

1057
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: think that is what allows the helmet to get taken off,

1058
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: the proverbial helmet to get taken off. So I think

1059
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: number one, it's it's on the athlete to get to

1060
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: know their stories so they can share it. Number two,

1061
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: it's people like you humanizing them. You hear me call

1062
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: the game with Ted Robinson on the pac Teve Networks.

1063
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: I take a lot of pride in knowing three deep

1064
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: the rosters and also a story on each guy, if

1065
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: not more than that, on who they are, what theyir makeup.

1066
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: Is just to humanize them, good, bad, and different type

1067
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: of play. Celebrate their story. And then I think the

1068
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: other side of it is that we have to also recognize,

1069
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: like how hard it is to be elite. So here's

1070
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: some data. One hundred and thirty four five star quarterbacks

1071
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: in history. The definition of five star when you pull

1072
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: all of the rankings, it's some version of a quarterback

1073
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: who can change the franchise, change the direction of a franchise. Cool.

1074
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: One quarterback out of one hundred and thirty four has

1075
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl as the starting quarterback. Matthew Stafford,

1076
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: you're thirteen team two. Ten of those one hundred and

1077
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: thirty four we're draft from the top ten. I'm going

1078
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: to rip off their names, so I think all freaks

1079
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, Sanchez, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert wins Jameis Winston, Kler, Murray,

1080
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen to a tongue of by low At, Trevor Lawrence.

1081
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: They all had a unique trait, at least coming out

1082
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: of college like something. You're like, WHOA, And Blaine was

1083
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: in that class where like four guys were drafted in

1084
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: the top twelve. I think, yes, he could have slid anywhere.

1085
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: It's just hard. Like every year I go into the

1086
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: Elite eleven being like this is the best class we've

1087
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: ever had because I watch all their tapes and I'm

1088
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: fired up. Then you get through a couple of days

1089
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, who's in the same category as

1090
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: for me, it's Jamis justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence and Tua

1091
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: four best I've ever seen, and like a clear different

1092
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: differentiation between those four right and the next tier. It's

1093
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: just hard. So I think there's something to that. And

1094
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: the challenge is if you turn on any Saturday, turn

1095
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: out a TV any Saturday, how many times you hear

1096
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: first round pick?

1097
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be playing on Sundays.

1098
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our pick. They're not all first round Bill,

1099
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: And that's what scares me because here you are as

1100
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: a young father. I'm a young dad doing this book.

1101
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: I learned about ranking systems in the sixth grade. I

1102
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: have parents dming me and I do calls with a

1103
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: lot of them of hey, thinking about just like quitting

1104
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of other sports because my kids got it.

1105
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: And they say, okay, what's he got there? Like, Oh,

1106
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: he just loves it. He's into it, he doesn't want

1107
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: to do anything else. Okay, cool, let me just give

1108
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: you some data because by fourteen, he's gonna be burned

1109
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: out if this is all he does.

1110
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1111
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, you get a Kayla Williams

1112
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: whose whole life has been that and that I don't

1113
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: think that book is over. We'll see, you know. And

1114
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: that's why we wrote a chapter in the book around

1115
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: wonderment and imagination and the joy of playing again. It's

1116
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: just hard, man, It's just hard.

1117
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: Is there connective tissue? Obviously, this is the you know,

1118
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: trillion dollar question that college football coaches and offensive coordinators

1119
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: ask themselves. But connective tissue in terms of guys And

1120
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't care about draft. I don't just that you

1121
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: see potential, approach potential in college Fine are good at

1122
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: finding situations? Are lucky at finding good situations? Is the

1123
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: actual connective tissue with guys who succeed luck? Right injury? Luck?

1124
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: Coaches don't leave luck. A bunch of offensive linemen transfer

1125
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: in luck. Receivers work out that nobody really saw working out. Luck.

1126
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: Defense turns out to put the offense in a great

1127
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: position luck like when you rattle off those names. Obviously,

1128
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: these guys are physically talented, and they study and their

1129
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: students of the game, and they are you know, they're

1130
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: they're pursuing excellence in ways that others aren't. Luck is

1131
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: the connective tissue on a certain level, is it not?

1132
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so. I think I think that's fair

1133
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: to say, you know, because so many things happen. I

1134
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: tell every high school player when they're like, hey, let's

1135
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: talk about where I want to go, and I say, okay, well,

1136
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: you're going to make your decision, but let me just

1137
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: remind you that if you're good, your offensive coordinator and

1138
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: quarterback coach is going to be long gone. Yeah, or

1139
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: your career is over.

1140
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

1141
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: They should be right. If you have three straight years

1142
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: of success as an OC. Oh yeah, at a big

1143
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: time school, you're a rocket ship as a head coach.

1144
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think luck has something to

1145
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: do with it. I also think that I always kind

1146
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: of say there's three things I think to real true

1147
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: success at the position. One is evident, you have to

1148
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: be a pastor, like you have to be able to

1149
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: hit spots like we've seen one guy in the last

1150
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: in our lifetimes go from inaccurate to accurate. It's Josh Allen. Yeah,

1151
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: most guys don't like, I love Christian Hackenberg, but look

1152
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: at him in high school, look at him in college,

1153
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: look at him at wherever he's played professionally. It's just

1154
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: kind of what that has been like. And there's a

1155
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: lot of guys like that, right, and at the elite

1156
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: level you can't be off. So that's one too, is

1157
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: you have to be an insane competitor. Okay, those are

1158
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: kind of givens off the table. Move on the third one,

1159
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: and I believe this is like you have to be

1160
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: a seeker, like you have to be willing and eager

1161
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: to do boring things longer, not than anybody else, but

1162
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: just longer. So now it's all at your fingertips. I

1163
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: want to learn about mental schools. Cool, let me just

1164
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: put in Finding Mastery and dive into that podcast with

1165
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: doctor Michael Gerva. I want to learn about how the

1166
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: greats do it. Okay, let me just check out that

1167
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: Versus Time documentary, Like there's so much there. You have

1168
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: to be a seeker. You want to develop your own

1169
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: mental traits. You want to develop how can I leverage

1170
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: my ability to marketing ability? Like there's so much to

1171
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: seek and pull on. And I think the alge of

1172
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: that because one might be listening and say, well, of

1173
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: course they all do that, right, Not really, because quarterbacks

1174
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times they kind of kick back. Now,

1175
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: because everything when you're a five star guy is coming

1176
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: at you, coming to you, and now all of a sudden,

1177
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: when you get into the fire, when you get into

1178
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: that shark tank, which is the quarterback room, three four

1179
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: or five guys, maybe a transfer every two years. Like

1180
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: you got to have a differentiator, Like you have to

1181
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: be willing again to do the boring things longer, not

1182
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: than anybody else, but just longer film study, right, rehab,

1183
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: treatment training. Like I still go back to when I

1184
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: talked to Calvin Ridley and Larry Fitzgerald. They both said

1185
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: the same thing years apart. Calvin Ridley, I said, how'd

1186
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: you have so much success at Alabama as a freshman?

1187
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: And he was, honestly yog. I went to bed at

1188
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: eight thirty every night, every single night. I was so

1189
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: committed to my body. Yeah, I knew of you be

1190
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: a long year. Larry Fitzgerald, I'm calling an ASU game

1191
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: a couple years ago. He's probably in your ten of

1192
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: his career at the time. Go to his house, it's

1193
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: eight fifteen. I'm like, hey, what do you wanna do?

1194
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: He goes, we I'm gonna go to bed. He do whatever

1195
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: you want. Yeah, yeah, I got get at least twelve.

1196
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: Like I just those are the boring things, right, Like

1197
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: I think that is where And it's not saying you

1198
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: can't have fun, you can't go have a good time

1199
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: with your teammates and enjoy college. But I do think

1200
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: that in my experience, like the guys that don't make it,

1201
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: they're not seekers, right, and some of that is due

1202
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: to burnout. They hate the craft, their wonderment is turned off.

1203
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot that I think pours into that

1204
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: that maybe young quarterbacks aren't even that aware of until

1205
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: somebody points it out.

1206
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: It's every microscopic edge, everything that we perceive to be skippable,

1207
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: that extra hour of sleep, the nutrition thing, mental health thing,

1208
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: curiosity about you know, the previous system, the previous quarterback,

1209
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 2: the previous it's finding and that's I mean, it's really

1210
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: it's interesting that you say that, because not to expect it,

1211
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: but to see it in a sixteen year old, seventeen

1212
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: year old, It's not normal. What is what I'm saying, right, Like,

1213
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: the American sixteen year old is not somebody and I'm

1214
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: generalizing here that says I'm going to learn everything about

1215
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: everything and I'm going to change my entire life to

1216
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: do so. It's not normal.

1217
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this, like, what's cool about that reply

1218
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: from you. And like in the book, David Shaw writes

1219
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: a great letter to quarterbacks about like it doesn't have

1220
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: to you don't have to be psychopathically obsessed, right, you know,

1221
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: like it's okay to like other stuff. And that's why

1222
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: I say, like, are you a seeker? It doesn't just

1223
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: have to be a seeker of xos and football, but

1224
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: like you're just generally curious. Yeah, And I tap into it.

1225
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: And I've told this to every coach I've talked to

1226
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: from the start of this book to now. I say,

1227
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: can you please when a player comes on your campus,

1228
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: don't go up to him and say, Okay, hey, here's

1229
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: your nil deal. Here's how you fit in the depth chart,

1230
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: Here's how you're gonna fit in our system. Here's how

1231
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: you kick out of the NFL, and here's how you

1232
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: get this whatever degree. It's please front load the mental skills.

1233
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I.

1234
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: Just believe that. I believe there were in an air

1235
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: of so much pressure. And it might be pressure on

1236
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: social it might be pressure from family, it might be wherever.

1237
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: And I don't think the players are getting better, but

1238
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they're dramatically equipped to manage that because

1239
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,479
Speaker 1: you're sixteen seventeen. You know, every brain surgeon and any

1240
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: psychologist or psychotherapists would say is the brain hasn't developed

1241
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: until it's twenty five. Yeah, so before there's they've left college,

1242
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: before they even possibly at maximum potential. It's just exposing

1243
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: them to that. And I think that's to your point, Like,

1244
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: we live in a world where you can look at

1245
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: Maleigu's ire, Shae Patterson, Max Brown, Jared sid I'm like,

1246
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: I was looking at the cover here, Gunnar Keel and

1247
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, you don't have it figured out.

1248
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1249
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: We do a great chapter in the book where I

1250
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: ask guys about leadership because I think often we look

1251
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: at QB one or we're like, oh, he's such a

1252
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: great leader. Like another thing you hear every Saturday. Well

1253
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: when you ask guys like, hey, so how do you

1254
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: define leadership? How do you how did you develop it? Yeah,

1255
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: they don't know. One out of one hundred have this

1256
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: innate trait where they could be the leader of anything.

1257
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: They've been class president, leader of the book club, leader

1258
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: of the team, leader of every they might they could

1259
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: lead the nation. Like there's guys that like that exist,

1260
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: but most have to develop it. Yeah, and that's why

1261
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: I think the coaches and the community and their families

1262
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: need to cultivate it and see what's happening. And that's

1263
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: what I hope this book did it. Like you recognize

1264
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: like how much guys didn't know when they got to

1265
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: college because they talk about that, Like what did I

1266
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: wish I learned? What would I tell myself when I

1267
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: got there? Like Josh Row's is a great example. I

1268
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this in the book, but

1269
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of slack freshman year at UCLA

1270
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: because he joins your fraternity. He went viral for that.

1271
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1272
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: Well, in the book he writes, I'm a mid year endroly.

1273
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: I was with a bunch of juniors and seniors and

1274
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: I just wanted some friends.

1275
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, right, And he got destroyed.

1276
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like the hot tub in his

1277
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: dormer was a good idea, right, I get all that

1278
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: he wouldn't say that either, But is it worth like

1279
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: that being his label for the rest of his life?

1280
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: Hell point?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for a guy who knows him really well, why

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Speaker 1: is he a punchline to a joke? Right? Like that's

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Speaker 1: what I think. Like this book will do three things.

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Speaker 1: It's going to get quarterbacks walk on to five stars

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Speaker 1: or any recruitiable athlete to learn a lot. It's going

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Speaker 1: to get parents a pseudo guidebook because you can't google

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Speaker 1: how to be the parent of an elite recruit or

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Speaker 1: any recruit. And I think it's going to open fans

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Speaker 1: eyes to be like, oh, yeah, you know what. Don't

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Speaker 1: hit send. Yeah, don't hit send. Don't hit send, because

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Speaker 1: you're sending a lot of guys into a tailspin and

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't have the you know what to say to

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Speaker 1: their face.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yogi Roth, author co author of five Star Quarterback,

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Speaker 2: available wherever high quality books are found. I know you

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Speaker 2: have to run, but thank you very much for giving

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Speaker 2: the show some time. Follow Yogi everywhere he is and

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Speaker 2: check out the book. It's a very fast read. Huge

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Speaker 2: names in the sport, Chip, Kelly, Ryan Day, all that

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Speaker 2: you said, fifty four quarterbacks across the board, fascinating stories, Yogi.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 1: Bro, Thank you for the time. Keep kicking butt you

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Speaker 1: got trying. Love listening to it and head over to Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Head over to Amazon. By the way, when you were

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Speaker 2: talking about quarterbacks as seekers, all I could think about

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Speaker 2: was like if a quarterback showed up to campus and

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Speaker 2: a coach asked him what he was into and he said, oh,

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Speaker 2: I play competitive scrabble, I play funk bass. That quarterback's

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Speaker 2: eyes must well with happiness. That this quarterback is just

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Speaker 2: a well rounded, interesting person, and you think, oh, this

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Speaker 2: kid has potential, right.

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Speaker 1: Especially in this era.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, there you go. Thank you for doing

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Speaker 3: that with Yogi. Of course, go and check his book

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Speaker 3: out for sure. Yogi's a good friend of the show.

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Speaker 3: He's been a friend of the show, one of our

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Speaker 3: biggest supporters for a good long time. So we cheerlead

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Speaker 3: his efforts in his new writing endeavor and always look

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Speaker 3: forward to his commentary. Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good use of cheerlead. By the way, it was

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Speaker 2: like a nice little tie in with football, but it

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Speaker 2: also is appropriate for what you were describing. That's what

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Speaker 2: you're a prose pro tye. That's why I'm a pros pro.

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Speaker 2: I try, Yeah, I try.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate everybody stopping on by hit subscribe, slash follow

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Speaker 3: on this show. If you have not done Soul ready,

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Speaker 3: if you made it this far, you don't want to

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Speaker 3: miss out on other episodes that we do throughout the course.

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Speaker 2: Of the season.

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Speaker 3: Season is about halfway through now, and the next episode

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Speaker 3: we do is the week seven preview, which is gonna

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Speaker 3: get spicy. I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm I have like eleven different nicknames, s nicknames. One

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Speaker 2: of mine is shut your dog up, Saturday Ty. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, is that your dog that I'm hearing or

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Speaker 2: is there just like.

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Speaker 3: We started talking about week seven, I know, and she's

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Speaker 3: getting into it. Yeah, we will too, Saturday, we will too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah for that guy over there, for the dog down there.

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Speaker 3: We will be back tomorrow. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: all things week seven. In the meantime. For Dan Rubenstein,

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Speaker 3: I'm Tie hilde Brandt. As per usual, Stay solid, Peace,