WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Should We Be Impressed?

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Lets go. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Monday, December fourteenth, two thou twenty, season sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>episode number seventy nine. Welcome to the latest edition of

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<v Speaker 1>The Break, presented by Geico. I'm lying from the SWBC

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<v Speaker 1>Mortgage studios. At the start, got Nick in here with me.

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<v Speaker 1>We got Dave and Amber on from their remote remote locations.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we get too far into the show, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta start for by telling my dude, Dave, Happy birthday, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks buddy. Yeah, I appreciate how many years is this is?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being I am thirty two. Is not that depressing,

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, until I think about the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty four when y'all hired me. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where that time went, but here we are. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny that that at some point, Nick, we probably

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<v Speaker 1>should tell the story of how we hired Dave and

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<v Speaker 1>like that interview we had with him and how that

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<v Speaker 1>all went down. That could that could be kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's an offseason kind of story. We didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>recalling that. You don't remember that? Mean you were sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in my office? Is me and you sitting in there

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing Dave? So I don't know. We'll talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. Just go ahead and say it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember it. What was on the phone? We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't even meet him in person. I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>mixing your guys. I thought the Rowan was the one

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<v Speaker 1>that told us about it, but I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why we were doing about phone. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that birthday. Happy birthday, Dave Man, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two years old. You were twenty four if you were

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<v Speaker 1>a baby. Now you're a grown man with a dog baby.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's awesome. All right, let's jump in. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about this. Cowboys win. Cowboys get

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<v Speaker 1>a big win yesterday, thirty to seven, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>get big wins at this point in the season. But Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually wanted to start with you. You were actually

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<v Speaker 1>there and and I know one of the things I

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<v Speaker 1>heard you talk about last week on the radio when

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<v Speaker 1>you did your hit was the fact that this team,

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<v Speaker 1>it really needed the win. You saw when it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>when they got a win a few weeks ago, how

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<v Speaker 1>much it helped this team. They really needed a win.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like yesterday with the team after they

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<v Speaker 1>got this big win. It was, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things. It's like and they've been getting

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<v Speaker 1>beat up for a while. You know, you've been getting

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<v Speaker 1>hit with a baseball bat for a while. You finally

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<v Speaker 1>just grabbed the bat, you know, and you did a

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<v Speaker 1>little hitting of your own. I mean, that's it. Just

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<v Speaker 1>took it out on the Bengals and they're not very good,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's what you do the teams that are bad.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of put them down and keep them down.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what they did. And you know, they were

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<v Speaker 1>excited for Andy Dalton. This is his first season with

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<v Speaker 1>the team. But you wouldn't have guessed that yesterday standing

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<v Speaker 1>outside the locker room, they waited for a while for

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<v Speaker 1>him to I don't know who all he had to

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<v Speaker 1>say hi to on the field, it felt like everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>but they finally, you know, McCarthy was like where's Andy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And they finally comes in, and when they did,

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<v Speaker 1>they just showered him with water and you know, yelling

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<v Speaker 1>excited for him, and they knew it was a big

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<v Speaker 1>win for him. But you know, it was just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those games they lost six out of seven, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was good for them to get a win. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's go onto our storylines of the game. Will

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<v Speaker 1>go around the table. Everybody give me a storyline from

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday's game. And but let's start with you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>hoping you did not start with me, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a good day for me to be on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is, but I'm in a

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<v Speaker 1>very pessimistic mood today. And yes, I am glad the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys win. Wont yesterday. That's great. They needed to win,

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<v Speaker 1>especially against the team like this against the Bengals that

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<v Speaker 1>if they had they lost, I mean, we would have

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<v Speaker 1>lost it completely. But at the same time, I just

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<v Speaker 1>find it very, very hard to be excited about this

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<v Speaker 1>win just because it is against It was against the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 1>and you look at some of the plays, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>on the defensive side of the ball that they were

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<v Speaker 1>making plays, creating place, but at the same time, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals were just absolutely terrible and a lot of plays

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<v Speaker 1>were mistakes of their own. So it's just it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those times where, yes, you are happy for the team,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, you got to take a

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<v Speaker 1>step back and look at what you really went into

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<v Speaker 1>this game with and the situation and who the opponent was,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like one of those things that I know

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<v Speaker 1>the team has talent. I know that DeMarcus Lawrence is

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<v Speaker 1>a very talented player. Jordan Lewis we've seen his talent

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So players like that, we know they have it.

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<v Speaker 1>We just haven't seen it this year. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>sucks that it gets to the point of like Week fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>a game against the Bengals, for you to get that

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<v Speaker 1>out of them, and not being able to see it

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<v Speaker 1>all throughout the season. That's just that's what I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time to dealing with right now. Just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of very very mixed emotions and it's just hard to

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<v Speaker 1>be completely excited about what we saw yesterday or a

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<v Speaker 1>list for me, Dave ag this offseason, you know, hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe we can get some vaccines and we

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<v Speaker 1>can actually hang out together and we'll go get a beer,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll just try to teach you how to ride

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<v Speaker 1>the middle man, like you can't. You don't. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to. You don't have to be up here after

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<v Speaker 1>every win, and you don't have to be way down

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<v Speaker 1>here after every loss. Like it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know, you and I both picked the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys to lose this game. And I don't feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>about doing that, honestly, because they've been inconsistent all year.

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<v Speaker 1>But they showed up, locked in, dialed in, ready to go,

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<v Speaker 1>something they haven't done enough this season, and they beat

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<v Speaker 1>a very bad team. Like, we don't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>overly impressed by that. It was nice, and I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick that they probably needed it. I think Mike

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy needed it to, you know, he needs to install

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<v Speaker 1>the culture that he wants moving forward. But we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be impressed by anything they did yesterday. They

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of did what they were supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's even with like, the Cowboys are not a

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<v Speaker 1>very good team. They're much better than the Bengals, clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>they beat them by twenty three points. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>even being bad, they were supposed to do that. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't trust him to. So I give them a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of credit for showing up and playing up to their capability,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mean that they're suddenly good. And for

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<v Speaker 1>that matter, if you want to have the conversation about tanking,

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<v Speaker 1>it also didn't really change their draft status. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Chargers won yesterday as well, so the Cowboys are

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<v Speaker 1>right back in the same spot they were on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just kind of go on like job, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really change my opinion of the team. But nice of

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<v Speaker 1>them to go and put a nice performance on tape.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny. That reminds me of that old Chris Rock

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<v Speaker 1>stand up where he says you don't get credit for

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<v Speaker 1>doing what you're supposed to do. It's like that guy

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<v Speaker 1>that says I take care of my kids, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. But and I do disagree a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>because I do think they should get credit because they're

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<v Speaker 1>just as bad as anybody else. Like you can't delineate

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<v Speaker 1>with this team, like, well they played a bad team.

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<v Speaker 1>Well guess what they're bad too. So winning thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>seven against a bad team is still something I think

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<v Speaker 1>for them, But it was what we expected, right, No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't think anybody expected this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's why, Like, it doesn't make you a better team,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it was. I think it's an impressive the

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<v Speaker 1>way they did it because we haven't seen that, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody else is doing that to the Bengals too. Say

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<v Speaker 1>what you want about how bad they are, nobody's gone

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<v Speaker 1>into Cincinnati and one like that, not all year. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they've played five games there, They've won two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>The other three were three point losses or less. So

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<v Speaker 1>they did something. I mean, it wasn't like Vegas him

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty three. I mean it was impressive because we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen them play that way. It was. It was that, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to be a bad team, but this team's

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<v Speaker 1>not supposed to annihilate a bad team. And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>that was the impressive part for me. They're not at

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<v Speaker 1>that level. Congratulations, Cowboys. You're not at that point. You're

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<v Speaker 1>you're a little bit. You're the next tier. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a great tier, but it's not at the tank for

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor Lawrence level. And I will say this, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I saw some things yesterday that I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>seen from this team, particularly on the defensive side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. They haven't played that game at all this season.

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<v Speaker 1>They haven't played a game where they were creating turnovers

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<v Speaker 1>and actually getting the turnover, like not only forcing the fumble,

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<v Speaker 1>but also recovering the fumble and in one instance, returning

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<v Speaker 1>the fumble for a touchdown. That's different, Like, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what we've seen from this defense. Maybe not what we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen from this defense over a period of time. They

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<v Speaker 1>may even span farther than just this season. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was different. And I will talk a little bit later

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<v Speaker 1>about this defense and if that actually has any Harry

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<v Speaker 1>overfect or any makes you feel a different way about

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<v Speaker 1>this defense. But I do think, at least for one

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<v Speaker 1>game and for one day, this defense was a different

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<v Speaker 1>kind of defense than what we've seen all season. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and go to the moments that mattered. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have everybody talk about one one moment from the game

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<v Speaker 1>that you think was a either a big moment or

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<v Speaker 1>a turning point in the game. Let's start first with you, Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, had the Cowboys scored a defensive touchdown all season? Not?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't think they had. I know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen had the interception return to the goal line Brown

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<v Speaker 1>but for Alton Smith and oh, you're right, okay, you're

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<v Speaker 1>right against the feel bad season. Don't feel bad because

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<v Speaker 1>Tank said, I don't think we've scored a defensive touchdown

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<v Speaker 1>all year? Had we has like yes, Anthony Brown on

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<v Speaker 1>effect that he was like, oh yeah, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>forget it. I've been a long October. October eleventh feels

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<v Speaker 1>October eleventh feels like a long long time. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was I mean pre deck, yeah, or current it was,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean the I mean it sounds weird to

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<v Speaker 1>say because the Bengals fumbled on all three of their

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<v Speaker 1>first possessions, but they were moving the ball on two,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they got all the way to the Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>red zone. It was a seventy eight yard return, so

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<v Speaker 1>they were moving the ball. When Alden scooped that up,

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<v Speaker 1>they got all the way to the fifteen on the

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<v Speaker 1>next fumble that darry and Thompson forced. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows what that game looks like if Alden doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>give them that cushion. And I you know, Mike McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>said it after the game that this is maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>first time all season where they were able to build

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<v Speaker 1>enough of a lead that it completely changed the way

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<v Speaker 1>that they played the game. So yeah, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>they would have lost, but I think that game looks

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<v Speaker 1>a lot different if Alden Smith doesn't make that play Amber.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the obvious play to me the same.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's just one of those plays. Yes, it was

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<v Speaker 1>early on, but when Tank made the play prior to

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<v Speaker 1>that one, to the Aldon Smith one, it was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those moments that you're like, Okay, whoa, all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>that was exciting, but then you're still not expecting the

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<v Speaker 1>defense to be able to carry on throughout the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So the fact that Aldon Smith went on and made

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<v Speaker 1>that play, you know that when there are plays like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it it just changes the game completely. It gives a

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<v Speaker 1>different kind of vibe and different kind of energy to

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<v Speaker 1>the defense as a whole, gives them more power. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I had to mention a different play than that one,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be Tony Polar and the play that he made.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's still amazing when you get to see

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<v Speaker 1>him getting those kinds of run, the speed that he has,

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<v Speaker 1>the ability that he has. It's just unfortunate that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to see it enough and it's just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those moments again that and I know we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it later on in the show, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those moments that you wonder what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>if you do give Polar more opportunities with the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>because he is a talented player. It's just not it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't always happen constantly, but it's just it's always so

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<v Speaker 1>exciting to see plays like that. I mean, that was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the play for me. Now, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't really say why though, And I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was important because right after halftime, you know, it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>well they got a little momentum. Now seventeen seven, let's

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<v Speaker 1>see what the Cowboys doing. I mean, he came right out.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was a huge play. So for everything

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<v Speaker 1>she said, yes, but also just kind of it led

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<v Speaker 1>to another field goal. But let's not forget also this game.

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<v Speaker 1>We might be talking about a completely different vibe from

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<v Speaker 1>this game if there's not a holding penalty that negated

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<v Speaker 1>a touchdown. So, I mean, they score a touchdown, it's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty to fourteen, and we got a game here in

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth quarter. But as Jalen Smith said afterwards, that

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<v Speaker 1>was not gonna be a touchdown because look at my jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean his jersey. He got held and that did

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<v Speaker 1>kind of open up that free lane there. But I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was a big play, you know, the holding call,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's about to be a one score game and

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<v Speaker 1>instead they don't get a touchdown out of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's interesting too. I'll point out on that

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<v Speaker 1>play that both you and Amber talked about the return

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<v Speaker 1>by Pollard. I thought that was a really, really big play.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought what was notable is that Dallas didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of it in a better way. They get the

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<v Speaker 1>ball there at the Cincinnati forty three, so they're starting

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati territory. They get some good passes. They got

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<v Speaker 1>a pass the Bell for eleven yards, Lamb had a

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen yard run. They had another pass to Shoultz for

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen yards. But it was the two runs to Zeke

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<v Speaker 1>that were for zero and one yard and then the

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<v Speaker 1>incompletions at the end of that drive that forced them

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<v Speaker 1>to situation where they had to take a field goal.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, I was like, if they end up

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<v Speaker 1>losing this game, I will remember that moment because that

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<v Speaker 1>was a drive where they had the opportunity to really

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<v Speaker 1>go up big, and they had the right start, they

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<v Speaker 1>had the kickoff return, they got him in the right position,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just couldn't do anything with it, and it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like in a lot of ways, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the running game that really kind of put him in

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<v Speaker 1>the hole and they just couldn't get out of it

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<v Speaker 1>because they couldn't run the ball. And then when you

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<v Speaker 1>get in those I think it's it's even more apparent.

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<v Speaker 1>When you get in those situations where it's either goal

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<v Speaker 1>to goal or in the red zone and you can't run,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's even more apparent, and it makes even

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<v Speaker 1>harder to try to get into the end zone when

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<v Speaker 1>you got that short feel if you can't run the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I did also want to mention what other thing in

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<v Speaker 1>that first possession, Tank gets the force fumble and Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis returns the fumble recovery. But I heard you say

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, Nick, and I did not notice it during

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<v Speaker 1>the game. DeMarcus Lawrence actually didn't start the game. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about that. Why didn't he start the game because

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<v Speaker 1>he is not in the base defense. Uh yeah, capitalize

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<v Speaker 1>that age. Huh, not in the base defense, and he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of had a weird look. He was like, they

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<v Speaker 1>called bass and I'm not in basse. So I went

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<v Speaker 1>back off the field. He got back on in the

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<v Speaker 1>second play. So who is in basse? Like h Tank Lawrence? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in the base defense? Huh. I keep saying, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I just that, Yeah, I mean that doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it doesn't make any sense. As I said

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<v Speaker 1>this morning on another show, I mean, he twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>million a year for your defensive and should be in

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<v Speaker 1>the basse. Should be in the nickels, be in the dimes,

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<v Speaker 1>be in the pre event, should be in the forty

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<v Speaker 1>four stack. If you play Madden, I mean stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>He should be in. He should be in the defense.

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<v Speaker 1>He should start the game. You might want to play

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<v Speaker 1>him a tackle. I mean, I'm just saying, like, you

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<v Speaker 1>might want play him wherever you can play him in.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't whatever. But he got in

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<v Speaker 1>on the second play and he costs and he caused

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<v Speaker 1>a fumble. Although after seeing that, maybe next game how

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<v Speaker 1>to do the same thing. Maybe maybe I ought to

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<v Speaker 1>sit him to start the game and then bring him

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<v Speaker 1>in the second play and then maybe he makes a

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<v Speaker 1>big play. I don't know, maybe he should play. Put him,

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<v Speaker 1>put him on the field out. All right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take our first break. When we come back, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get into some performance reviews. We got to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Dalton's day. We got to talk about the running backs.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask you, guys, is Zeke the best running back

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<v Speaker 1>jump into some performance reviews. Let's start first with the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback Andy Dalton. He goes sixteen of twenty three, seventy

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<v Speaker 1>percentage completion seventy percent completion percentage, one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five yards, two touchdown, zero interceptions, one twenty two point

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<v Speaker 1>six rating. All of the numbers weren't huge obviously, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as passing yards, he did be too bad. And

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<v Speaker 1>then this was a bad team. How did you assess

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<v Speaker 1>his play overall. Nick, let's start with you. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>he played well, you know, you know he wanted it,

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<v Speaker 1>you tell. I mean, I don't know if they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to throw that pass the Tony Pollard at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he wanted that second touchdown Um. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know I thought for him the drive after the Darien

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<v Speaker 1>Thompson fumble at the twelve, that was a really big

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<v Speaker 1>drives were the first time they had the ball, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with not a short field, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>three big third down completions there, two to Cooper, one

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<v Speaker 1>to cd UM. I thought, I thought that was a

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<v Speaker 1>really nice drive there, and so he did a good job,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Amber again passive missed Amber here on Monday. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just can't help it today. Yes they did,

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<v Speaker 1>they did a good job, but I thought they could

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<v Speaker 1>have done a lot more. And there were some really

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<v Speaker 1>great play, some really great passes, throws and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is the problem in the red zone? Why

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<v Speaker 1>can't the Cowboys just guess past that? Why can't I

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<v Speaker 1>why can't they just make it into the end zone

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more? They're still all shrunkling in that area.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to that, everything seemed pretty good, But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>that area right there that they just don't I don't

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.920
<v Speaker 1>know what the deal is. And yes, that touchdown towards

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the game with Tony Pohler it was good,

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<v Speaker 1>But honestly, I was like, I remember when we were

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<v Speaker 1>watching the game. I don't know if you were there, Derek,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was just like, Okay, they've only actually scored

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<v Speaker 1>one touchdown in the whole game, and that's it. The

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<v Speaker 1>other one came from Aldon Smith and the other ones

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<v Speaker 1>were field goals, So what's the deal here. I would

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<v Speaker 1>be expecting them to be able to get in the

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<v Speaker 1>end zone a lot more. And it's hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to judge that Tony Polar won because it came so

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<v Speaker 1>late in the game. I wonder, okay, was the defense

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of losing up by that point, But I

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm not. I wasn't super impressed with what they

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<v Speaker 1>did yesterday, all right, Dave. I mean, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was Andy's best start since he's taken over, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And and it's hard to it's hard to weigh at

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<v Speaker 1>all because again, you know, the Alvin Smith touchdown kind

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<v Speaker 1>of changed everything. That they had a commanding lead from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning. That's obviously that's going to change the way

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<v Speaker 1>you play, Like You're probably not just eager to be

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<v Speaker 1>whipping it around the yard all day when you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a three possession lead in the second quarter, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know you don't want to put your year banged up

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line in that situation. So, you know, I struggle between, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not very explosive verse well, they don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a game situation like this, But yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the ball at the thirty two yard line,

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<v Speaker 1>I expect a little bit better than seven plays for

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen yards in a field goal. It does seem like

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<v Speaker 1>this team gets bogged down. It's funny now because it

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<v Speaker 1>was a blowout, but you know it, you would prefer

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<v Speaker 1>to see Andy find Amari Cooper wide freaking open on

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<v Speaker 1>that slugo in the fourth quarter. You know it's a

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<v Speaker 1>sixty yard touchdown if he just looks to his left.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just stuff like at where you're like, Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Dalton played well and the offense was fine, and they

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<v Speaker 1>won by twenty three points. But this certainly hasn't been

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.679
<v Speaker 1>an explosive offense since Dak Prescott went out. And again,

0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.159
<v Speaker 1>I know that the offensive line is compromised, so it

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<v Speaker 1>is hard to judge the whole thing. But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they look they look like an offense that's being run

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<v Speaker 1>by a backup quarterback. And that's not a bad thing

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what they went and got Andy Dalton to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, there there are some plays that they

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<v Speaker 1>have left out there on a consistent basis in the

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<v Speaker 1>time that Dak has has been out of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>out for the season. I want to go back, but

0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I do think he played. But but Andy's not any

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<v Speaker 1>backup quarterback. I mean, he's a guy who's been a starter,

0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:44.160
<v Speaker 1>so it's not just your typical backup guy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is at a point that you you I get

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<v Speaker 1>it completely different offense with Dak Prescott in and with

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line healthy. But at the same time, I mean,

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.880
<v Speaker 1>this is a game where you you expect this team

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<v Speaker 1>to be absolutely competitive with a guy like Andy Dalton

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<v Speaker 1>at quarterback. I would argue that they mostly have been

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:12.680
<v Speaker 1>other than I mean, and I no, I agree, but

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I said, I just made that comment in response to

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<v Speaker 1>what you said that this looks like a team that

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<v Speaker 1>is playing with a backup quarterback. Well, okay, let me

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.159
<v Speaker 1>let me a very good backup quarterback. I mean in

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 1>May when Andy sign we were like, well, you know,

0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys probably maybe have the best backup quarterback in

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the league, Like they should still be able to effectively

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 1>run their offense with Andy Dalton. And other than the

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Washington game when he got concussed, and really that was

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 1>probably the low point for the offensive line on the

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>entire year. In all of the other games, they've looked

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>like they could win games with him in at quarterback.

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they didn't get trounced by Baltimore because of

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 1>what the offense was doing that I mean that those

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>are defensive lapses. So yeah, for the most part, I

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.879
<v Speaker 1>feel like they've gotten pretty good return on investment. Now,

0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know. I don't know if like

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I guess what I'm trying to say. As I think

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Andy Dalton's window as a you know, big time starting

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 1>quarterback who can win you a championship, I lean toward

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>thinking those days were probably over. But that doesn't mean

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>he can't be a very serviceable quarterback in this league.

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they ever were here. I mean,

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 1>that's an interesting gay go ahead, and I just don't

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 1>think it's that. I don't think this is really that

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.159
<v Speaker 1>hard to figure out. I mean, this offensive line is

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>not going to win any weightlifting contests. I mean they're agile,

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 1>they can move, they're young, but they're not very strong.

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:35.440
<v Speaker 1>And so when you look at when you when you

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 1>have a hundred yards to play with and fifty three

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.639
<v Speaker 1>wide and all that, they you know, you might pass it,

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>you might run it. They can be effective, but when

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it gets down there and it's just me versus you

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and who's tougher and stronger, they don't push people back.

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.360
<v Speaker 1>And this is not anything new. I mean even four

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>or five years ago, Travis Frederick, Zack Martin, Tyrn Smith,

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 1>this was the worst third and one team in the league,

0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.880
<v Speaker 1>or even third and goal. So they have a hard

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 1>time knocking people off the ball when you get down

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 1>inside the five, and it's hard for those receivers to

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>really find room. You have to just run people over,

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>and they're not good enough to do this right now.

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's where it comes down. It's just

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 1>the line can block, pass, block, okay and all that,

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>but they're not going to just knock people off. Not

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Christian Covington any serious and not ca ing back, well,

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>let me let me take that, and I want to

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 1>combine things that you just said and something at Amber said.

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Amber talked about the red zone and talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>much they struggle in the red zone. Is it your

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>thought then that the reason that they're struggling in the

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<v Speaker 1>red zone is because they don't have the power in

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>their offensive line and they can't run the ball fake. Yeah.

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the biggest issue right there, is that

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, who's worried about CD going over the top

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>or Michael got you You're not worried about that. You

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:46.720
<v Speaker 1>have to It's just big boy football. You've got to

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>knock people back. And as good as I think Connor

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 1>McGovern and Connor Williams and and Looney, I mean that

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>they could be even you know, in the tackles too,

0:25:55.840 --> 0:26:00.360
<v Speaker 1>but they're not just overpowering type linemen. And I think

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a that's a problem that they're not

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 1>built that way. Think about their tight ends. Their tight

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>ends aren't tight ends. No one's talking about the pancake

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.719
<v Speaker 1>that Dalton Schultz had. It's the fact that he's got

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 1>fifty catches. Wasn't this still a problem last year? I

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>mean different coaching staff and everything. Kellen Moore were still

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>directing the offense. But at the same time, if I

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.879
<v Speaker 1>remember correctly, that we're still struggling a lot last year,

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's something that I think we talked about a lot,

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 1>was their struggles with the red zone. They were great

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>prior to that and they could score touchdowns and all that,

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>but once they got into that red zone, it was

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>always been it's been a problem. It's been a problem

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years. It just makes me wonder

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 1>past the injuries. You know, it's a it's a problem

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's been a problem. But the one difference I

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 1>think now is is nobody's worried about Andy Dalton getting

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 1>into the end zone running and that that was a

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.479
<v Speaker 1>weapon that they did have with with Dak. I mean,

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that's one more when things break down and we've seen it.

0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>He's done it more than I think any quarterback in

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys history running the ball in. So that's another

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 1>weapon down there. But it's the old line. To me,

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>it's the line and not being able to knock people back.

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>And I also will point this out last year, I

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>think the issues were a little bit different, same result.

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 1>I think they were a little bit different. I mean,

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember talking a lot about Travis Frederick and his

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>inability to be able to hold up at the point

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>of attack. Like we knew he wasn't the same player

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>last year. He was not as powerful as he had

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 1>been earlier in his career. And the same thing with

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Connor and Connor Williams, and so I think you still

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>had problems right there in the middle with regards to power.

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 1>So I think it was the same problem different players.

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it was the same problem though, and it

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>crept up on them and it was a problem for

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>them in the red zone. It was a reason why

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't really push people back and be able to

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>get some of those critical yards in some of those situations. Dave,

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 1>do you agree with what they're saying or do you

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 1>have a different take on maybe why they're not as

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>good in the red zone. I'm really reluctant to and

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe I shouldn't be. It's the NFL. You gotta do

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>what you gotta do with who you have. But I'm

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 1>reluctant to criticize Kellen Moore win And I mean, how

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>many how many Day one starters is he working with

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>right now? He's got his three receivers, and I guess

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 1>technically you would consider Joe Looney a day one starter

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and Connor Williams. So what that's that's fun. Yeah, So

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 1>he's got all right, he's got half of his offense.

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 1>He's still he's missing a lot of it, is my point,

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 1>including the guy that's supposed to make it work. So

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm reluctant to bash him. And I mean, you know,

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I think play calling was a fair criticism last year.

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Amber is totally right, like this was an issue last

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>year when they were much healthier, So I think you

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>need to look into that. Um. I hesitate to criticize

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the play calling when you're so compromised right now, but

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I do think when you factor in that it was

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>a thing last year, it's probably a a It's a

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>worthwhile conversation, even if I, like I said, even if

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm reluctant, because yeah, I mean they had everybody last

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>year and it was still an issue. Ye. All right, UM,

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0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.479
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0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.959
<v Speaker 1>good Polo looked yesterday. Is he now in a position

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>where you should consider giving him as mini carries as zekeday?

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<v Speaker 1>jump right in. Let's talk about the running backs. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>Zeke goes twelve carries for forty eight yards four yards

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<v Speaker 1>per carry average. He had about thirty two He had

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two snaps in the game. Poler, on the other hand,

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>had eleven carries, one less thirty nine yards three point

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>five average. He had nineteen snaps in the game. A

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>question for you, guys, is is this the right distribution

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and use of the backs or should Pollard be a

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>little closer to fifty of the snaps not necessarily carries,

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>but the snaps. Should they be splitting carries between these

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>two guys and splitting rips. Let's start first with you, Dave.

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.959
<v Speaker 1>I think it's an important caveat. I'm pointing this out

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter yesterday. I mean, Zeke wasn't even a guarantee

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to play in this game. I mean he said he

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>was going to, but he's questionable on the injury report

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>with a calf. He's gonna gut through it. He said

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>after the game that it was sore. And then on

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>top of that, you know, the Cowboys had a multiple

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>possession lead really from the jump, so you know, that's

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the smart way to play it in these circumstances, like, yeah,

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>limit your injured running backs touches when you have control

0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>of the game and when he's hurt. So I think

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a big part of it. Having said that, Yeah, obviously,

0:32:55.720 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>for a variety of reasons, Tony Pollard just seems to

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>have more juice. Like when he hits a hole, he

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>he hits it at a different speed. I think everybody

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>would agree with that, regardless of what the reasoning is.

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm very comfortable with him getting more touches for a

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>variety of reasons. The Cowboys aren't going to say this,

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's looking like a long shot that they're going

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 1>to make the playoffs. So why rack up meaningless mileage

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>on your star? I mean, why do that? Like, Zeke

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't need to touch the ball sixty seventy times over

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.239
<v Speaker 1>the next three weeks. If anything, he needs, like, let

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>him get some rest and get ready for a season

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that won't be so difficult. I do think It's funny, though,

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>go back and watch, you know, the long run that

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>he had. I think it was in the fourth quarter.

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>If Michael Gallop holds his block on his cornerback for

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>half a second longer, I doubt Zeke scores, but he's

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>going fifty sixty yards for sure, And so it's just

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>funny to think what we'd be talking about if Zeke's

0:33:56.160 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 1>stat line was twelve carries for ninety eight yards. You know,

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>so I do think that's interesting anyway, I digress. Yeah,

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm very comfortable with Tony Pollard getting more work over

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the next three weeks, Hamber. I do want to see

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 1>more of Tony Poler, But at the same time, I'm

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 1>always I'm still hesitant as far as saying, oh, yeah,

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to take snaps away from Zeke. I still

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>think that Zeke, even though we haven't seen the old

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Zeke this year, I still think that he has it

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.879
<v Speaker 1>and it's just a matter of time and getting him

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 1>back into the groove or something. But I think that,

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not really going to be having this

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>debate any for much longer. I think I'm right with Dave.

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that this next few weeks is going to

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 1>be an opportunity for us to get to the point

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>where we do get to see more of Tony Poler

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and kind of put that whole debate to rest for

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>a little bit as far as depending on how turns out,

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 1>because if Pauler kills it, then the debate is gonna

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>only grow even bigger. But I think that in the

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>next few weeks we'll we'll hopefully get a better idea

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>of what that really would look like when Pauler gets

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 1>more placed rather than Zeke. Yeah whatever, Yeah, I'm just

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying that I don't I don't really have

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>an answer, Like, I want to see both of them.

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I definitely want to see what Pauler can do. But

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I'm not ready to take away

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>snaps from Zeke yet. Yeah, all right, glad Nick, I

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>think you know, whether or not it matters to anyone else,

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I think Zeke wants a thousand, you know, he's I

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>think that's a that's a thing for him, and I

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>think he's gonna and you know, he's had opportunities to

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>sit out. Okay, there's other players on this team that

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>probably wouldn't have played, uh, you know, short weeks calf bruise.

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, he you know, he's come back and he's

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>played and and you know it matters to him, and

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:02.800
<v Speaker 1>so I think he'll he'll play. But I mean, I

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 1>don't disagree that that that you know, there's no there's

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 1>no need to have twenty five carries for him. It's

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a healthy balance, and and yesterday was a good example

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>of that, you know. And it's not just third and

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>one short yardage that they go with the bigger back.

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Paulard's getting some snaps in there, and he

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>got some around the goal line too. So I think

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I think what they're doing in this game is pretty

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 1>good balance. Yeah, I think it's going to be very interesting.

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Dave, Good Dave, No, I just you know

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:32.959
<v Speaker 1>what's funny, Nick as you like you say he wants

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a thousand, and I don't disagree at his current average.

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 1>If he keeps up his current average, like he would

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>hit a thousand in week seventeen, just in time for

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>the season to be over. I mean, if it were

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 1>up to me, no chance in hell, like there's I mean,

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, it looks more than likely that either New

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 1>York or Washington's gonna win the division. If there's nothing

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>to play for in week seventeen, shoot, maybe even in

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>week sixteen, I would be like, sorry, buddy, I want

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>to say what Rico Dowdle looks like. I'm like, a

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>shame about your no thousand yards. But we'll get him

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 1>next year, hey, And I don't. I haven't talked to

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Zeke all year. I haven't. I mean, he's not a

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 1>player that I that I talked to after the game

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>because he always goes to the podium, so I haven't

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>talked to him. I have no idea that that that

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>that's what he wants or I just I would imagine

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>that it would be a big deal to him, but

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that. And I don't even know if

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a contract incentive or anything like that for him,

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>but you know, he wants to play well. I do

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 1>think this is going to create a very interesting dynamic

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>if if Pollard plays more, if Pollard just keeps playing

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 1>at the rate that he's playing, and he starts really

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, knocking down some big runs and keeps looking

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>like and that's the thing, like, I don't know that

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>his stat line is so much better that we all

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.359
<v Speaker 1>are like, oh my god. The production is so much better.

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.359
<v Speaker 1>It's just it looks different when he gets the ball,

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the way he hits holes, it's different than what you're

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>seeing from Zeke. And I really think if he has

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>some big runs here down the stretch, I think it's

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>going to create a very interesting conversation. Maybe not an

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.879
<v Speaker 1>interesting conversation with coaches and executives, but I think among

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>media people in US, I think it's going to create

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 1>a very interesting conversation in this offseason and heading into

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>next season about how you distribute the ball because you're

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna have your guy back, and you're gonna have a

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of the pieces you hope back on the offensive line.

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>If you think Pollard gives you more juice, then that's

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 1>a better person to have in there more frequently. With

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>all the other weapons they got on this offense and

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>an offensive line that can create some gaps for him.

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>So I just really think that right now it's a

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>very interesting time for Zeke. And and I heard what

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>you were saying, Nick about him getting a thousand. I

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 1>personally think if if I were him, and I'm not

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna speak for him, but if I were him, I

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>would be thinking, I'm trying to keep this guy off

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the field, because the last thing I want is him

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:50.879
<v Speaker 1>showing more than maybe I'm showing right now. And maybe

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 1>there are reasons why, maybe that injury is a little

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>worse than than he's letting on. Who knows. All I

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>know is it looked different right now. It does look

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 1>different when Pollard's on the field, then when you see Zeke.

0:39:01.040 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>All right, One other thing I wanted to hit real

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 1>quick before we end the show. The defense. Hell Cincinnati's

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>seven points. It was the first time since I think

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it was two thousand nineteen, Week three of twenty nineteen

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>that they held an opponent under ten points. So it

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>was a good outing for the defense, something different than

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 1>they've done in passed outing certainly this season. Was this

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:22.719
<v Speaker 1>a turning point for this defense? Or do you think

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 1>this was just merely a function of the fact that

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>they played a really bad offense. Nick, Let's start with you, well,

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>bad offense, bad quarterback. You know, he's not very good,

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and you're not He's not very good. They don't have

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of weapons over there, you know, leave it

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 1>to aj Green to come out of retirement and against

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys and play. But I mean, but then again,

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>let's also look at the other side though, too. I mean,

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>other than Jordan Lewis, every cornerback on the team has

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 1>been on the practice squad at some point this year.

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean Chris Westree, Are we kidding me? And Chris

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Westree he tried to quit last year? Yeah, I mean

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 1>if he's playing in a game. I mean same at

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the safety position too, So I mean the guys that

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.439
<v Speaker 1>they've got on the secondary for them to play that way,

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that was that was pretty good. And

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I thought Jalen probably played his best game of the

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>season yesterday. I mean, say what you will, but I

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>thought he had a pretty nice game. He seemed like

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>he was physical and flying around the ball. For Jalen Dave,

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to sound like a hater, and I apologize

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>for that way. I mean, they did play a really

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>good game. It was Nick Nick on Friday was like,

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe Brandon Allen plays in the NFL, So

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't forgive me if I'm not super duper impressed.

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>The other thing, and they did it. They forced three fumbles,

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>they scored off of one of them. They get credit

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>for that, but everything we know about fumbles is that

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of random, you know, Like I mean,

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the amount of variants, there's no like you can't count

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 1>on that, you know what I mean? Like I said

0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.839
<v Speaker 1>this yesterday is and I know he didn't pick off

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Andy Dalton, but like Jesse Bates made this great read

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>on a throat to Dulman, he undercut the receiver, dove

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>in front of it, almost picked it off Like that

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>is that is instinctual playmaking and understanding. Fumbles are almost luck.

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I said, I'm gonna jump in those

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 1>two forced bubbles. No, no, no way, Thompsons. I think

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I think there are two fumbles that they created yesterday

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>that were about how they played the balls, specifically takes

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 1>like that was him ripping the ball as so that

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can call Tank and Tank and

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Darian Thompson get a lot of credit for forcing those fumbles.

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 1>The one that the one that swung the entire game

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>became because the guy had dropped it when he off

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>somebody's butt. Absolutely, um, but all I mean, okay, but

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:49.799
<v Speaker 1>do you really think that's the first time Tank has

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>punched the ball when he tackled somebody else? But but

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I like again, but yeah, but I just don't think

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>it's fair for us. You can't play it both ways.

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>We can't say, on one hand, they can create turnovers

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and then they create turnovers to say, well, turnovers are random, Like,

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's I think it's unfair. Yeah, I

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>think turnovers are random for the most part. But you're right.

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't want to take that credit away,

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 1>but I just don't have a ton of confidence that

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>it is something that they can definitely replicate. Like, I'm

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:20.919
<v Speaker 1>not you know, I don't expect them to just force

0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a million fumbles over these last three games. I think

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the the twelve games that we saw before this are

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 1>probably a greater indicator of what they are than this one.

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like I said, I mean, I sound like

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a hater because they went out and they did it,

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not convinced that it's something that's going to

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:44.919
<v Speaker 1>happen consistently moving forward, not this season at least. Amber. Yes,

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 1>great way in, great plays, good job, But is this

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a turning point. Absolutely don't think so. Yesterday when we

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 1>were watching the game, Derek, you were out and I

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know much about the history of the Bengals, but

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about some guy that used to do

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the shuffle dance back when I was born, and that

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 1>was the last time. Apparently Woods go ahead. Ever'm sorry, Yeah,

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you're like the Ikey shuffle. I'm like, what the heck

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>is that? But just to my point, based on what

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 1>you said, it sounds like this team has been bad

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>for a very very long time. So it's just hard

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to be that motivated and that excited about the kind

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of performance we did see yesterday. Yes, it was great,

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>but as far as taking that and applying that into

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 1>some excitement in the near future or you know what's

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.399
<v Speaker 1>going to happen next, It's just it's hard to get

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>there looking at what kind of team they were facing.

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And I get that Nick said, yes, the Cowboys are

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>bad as well this year, but at the same time,

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 1>it's just I'm just not there. I'm not just I'm

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>definitely not there to say this was a turning point

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 1>for the defense. It's not a turning point. It means

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>it says that the it is at the end of

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the movie almost. I mean, there's no more turning points

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. Um, And I think you know

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.879
<v Speaker 1>they got a good win at noon yesterday, but from

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:18.759
<v Speaker 1>three to six. They lost. They lost because what Washington did,

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and they lost. When Washington beat the Steelers, that that

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.879
<v Speaker 1>was it. When Washington beat the Steelers, then they don't

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 1>have because think about that. They're not supposed to be

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the Steelers, but they did. And if they didn't win

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that game, then it would be very very interesting with

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>these two teams sitting at five and all that. I

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know how the Cowboys can win the division at

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 1>this point, other than if Washington just loses out maybe

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and they got two teams that are they have losing

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>records that they're playing at the end. They got Carolina

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and they've got really yeah. Yeah, and Jalen Hurts. You know,

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>he played well, but we've seen these happen. We've seen

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>games like this before. Like you get a guy like that,

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>he gets a spark, it's cool, and then defensive coordinators say, oh, okay,

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>well hold on, let's let's let's we got something for him.

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And he'll have some struggles too, but you know it's

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 1>probably not it's too late, too late to turn in

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the corner. It was just it was just this team's bad.

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, go beat him, Yeah, and dominate the game

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 1>if you can and they did. Here's the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, and again we're coming close to in

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<v Speaker 1>this show. But you look at and when I when

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<v Speaker 1>I ask about a turning point, I think, what Mike McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 1>You listen to what the players are saying, and what

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Mike McCarthy saying, I think what he's trying to convince

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the players of is right now is important because not

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 1>necessarily looking at the playoffs, but because this is the

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<v Speaker 1>These are the moments when you can start creating some

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 1>some momentum for the future. Now, I've never been a

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 1>big fan of you know, at the end of the year,

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.320
<v Speaker 1>you can create momentum for the next year. But I

0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 1>think he is convincing his team that they may be

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 1>able to create some momentum for the next season. And

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>especially in a situation where you have a defensive coordinator

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 1>who has all season I think fallen short. If by

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<v Speaker 1>chance they can get this defense to play better at

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the end of the season, it might point to Okay,

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>some of these guys are starting to get it. Some

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 1>of these guys may be starting to get this scheme.

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it makes you going into next going to next year,

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like, Okay, we feel the players feeling more confident

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.240
<v Speaker 1>in the scheme, feeling more confident in what they're asked

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>to do, and that may help you going into next year.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the reason I asked about Attorney. And I

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:24.800
<v Speaker 1>cannot play a game though quick. I know we're running

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>out of time, but I'll play a game. I'll let

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>David and Amber answer this defense the guys that played yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with the coordinator. Do we think Mike Nolan will

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<v Speaker 1>be back as the coordinader next years on what happens

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 1>these last three games. I don't think so. I don't

0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>think Hamilton. I'll just go down the list. Gallamor yes, yes,

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Antoine would, yeah, maybe all the Smith maybe should I

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.480
<v Speaker 1>think he should? Vanderesh, yes, Jahylen. Do we have enough

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>time he would be here? I don't know if Smith

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 1>for Shard, Robinson, Darren Thompson, Xavier Woods, I'll say no

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to that way through the whole roster. But I'm just

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:11.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, Gregory Lawrence, d law Yeah, Crawford probably not.

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>So my point to that is starting with the coordinator

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>down and building all this stuff. I don't know if

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 1>you want these defensive guys getting all excited about next

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>year because they won't be here, but but there are

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:24.399
<v Speaker 1>some keys in there. You want those linebackers to play

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:26.839
<v Speaker 1>a little bit better. You want Tank to play better

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 1>or play well, yeah, you want you want Gallimore to

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>start feeling comfortable where he is. I mean, I think

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 1>there are some guys that you look at and you're like, hey,

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 1>if I can get these guys to start buying in,

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>then when we get this, all those other guys out

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:41.359
<v Speaker 1>of here, the new guys we bring in, at least

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 1>what they'll be hearing from the other guys is, hey,

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.279
<v Speaker 1>this system works, rather than looking kind of side eye

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 1>at the coach every time the coach talks, because they

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 1>don't believe in the scheme, right, I know, I know,

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:54.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're definitely we're out of time on the show,

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 1>but we don't know that the scheme will be the

0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>same in twenty twenty one. And on top of that,

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 1>they like, we are we already did this, like we

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 1>were doing the oh well, like you know they'll feel

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 1>better next year, like we did that. And then they

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 1>went right back off the cliff against Washington and Baltimore

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:14.759
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, like turning it around against the

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 1>number like the worst freaking team in the league or

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the two or three worst teams in the league.

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 1>It just doesn't. Again, all credit to them for doing it,

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>because they could have gone out and played terribly, which

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.760
<v Speaker 1>is what I sort of expected to see, and they didn't,

0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>So they get credit for that. But I really dam

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>not putting any faith into anything beyond that. David Amber,

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you guys both are not too excited about this game,

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's fine. What what would be exciting in the

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.399
<v Speaker 1>last three games? Win them all or these like win

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 1>all these last three games, have a four game No,

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm asking, like, what would it be? They just left

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that because they're not doing that. But I mean, I

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.360
<v Speaker 1>mean beating who can beat They can they beat anybody

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that I if you, if you want me to get excited,

0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I want them to play really well, look like a

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 1>competent football team down these last three weeks, and still

0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 1>give me an exciting draft pick that we can get

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.799
<v Speaker 1>excited about for our draft coverage. Like that's what I want.

0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 1>What would get me excited is to finally if we

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>get to see some kind of consistency. If you know,

0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>it's great when we talk about these type of games

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 1>where they get some great plays and all that, but

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.279
<v Speaker 1>they have been lacking consistency all throughout the season. So

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 1>if they are able to find even if they lose game,

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:31.800
<v Speaker 1>but we still see some explosiveness, we still seem some

0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:36.759
<v Speaker 1>of them creating plays and just being consistent in these

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>last three games. I think that's something that I would

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 1>be excited for because it gives me a sense of

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>just then being more connected as a whole, regardless of

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>the team being completely different next year, which is what

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 1>we are expecting, Just having that kind of mentality of

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.759
<v Speaker 1>you know what, maybe we are able to find some

0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>consistency here, but other than that, nothing else will get

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>me excited. Yeah, Nick went down the list of all

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:05.920
<v Speaker 1>those defensive guys that probably won't be here. What I

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:07.920
<v Speaker 1>want to see down the stretch is the guys that

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 1>will be here play well. That's all I want to see.

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't care about the outcome. I don't

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 1>care if they win or lose. I want to see

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 1>those guys play well, particularly those young guys like Gallimore.

0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to see them play well because that tells

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>me they're starting to get it and I can have

0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>some hope, like some glimmer of hope that maybe next

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:26.759
<v Speaker 1>year they can put it together and it can be

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a better season. If those guys can't get better, then

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:31.719
<v Speaker 1>you're real because they're not going anywhere. A certain guys

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that aren't going anywhere, if they're not playing well down

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:36.399
<v Speaker 1>the stretch, then it kind of just takes away from

0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 1>that hope that you can have this offseason. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you guys, join us. Will be back tomorrow. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>get some big picture looks at what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFC East. Looking like the Washington Football team will

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<v Speaker 1>probably win it. We'll talk about that tomorrow too then

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<v Speaker 1>for Nick Even, Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I am

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break presented by Guy

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