Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.
Speaker 3: Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Speaker 3: kicks off.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: It is big, it is beautiful, and it is now law.
Speaker 3: The Big Beautiful Bill has just moments ago passed in
Speaker 3: the United States cent Okay, I know Trump has to
Speaker 3: sign it, but you know it's happening. Trump's going to
Speaker 3: sign this big beautiful bill. So the Big beautiful Bill
Speaker 3: has gone through. It will be on the President's desk.
Speaker 2: This is huge. It is huge.
Speaker 3: We will get into some of the final items that
Speaker 3: were in this. We will discuss some of the no votes.
Speaker 3: There were some no votes. We'll also talk about how
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, formerly of DOGE fame pretty unhappy with the
Speaker 3: situation here of the five trillion dollar debt ceiling rays.
Speaker 1: I think there's still potentially bucked a little bit of
Speaker 1: drama because I think the House will now have to
Speaker 1: come back and agree to some.
Speaker 4: Of the.
Speaker 3: Side I got ahead of myself there too excited, too excited,
Speaker 3: So there will there will be some drama that's in reconciling.
Speaker 3: It's going to go through the House has already passed it.
Speaker 3: It's going to go through. But thank you for the yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorely for me for the nerdy edition where there will
Speaker 1: continue to be drama. First is that going to take though?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I I just we have not
Speaker 1: spent a ton of time on the minute by minute
Speaker 1: because we knew that this was going to pass and
Speaker 1: it will pass on some level. Uh, but they still
Speaker 1: have some maneuvering. I think Trump wants it by July fourth, right,
Speaker 1: is the ideal day that he would sign it, which
Speaker 1: is Friday, And so I imagine that they are hoping that
Speaker 1: the House will sign off on the changes made by
Speaker 1: the Senate at some point in time in the next
Speaker 1: several days. But that's the timeframe. Uh so that is
Speaker 1: the last drama to be had before this thing is
Speaker 1: officially signed an underway, which.
Speaker 2: Is not gonna be It's not gonna mean drama.
Speaker 3: I mean they're gonna you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: come on, what's the drama gonna be, Clay, Someone's really
Speaker 3: the Republicans aren't gonna actually do the thing that they've
Speaker 3: already said they were gonna do. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: see it, but yes, procedurally speaking, they have to reconcile it, right,
Speaker 3: So the house as the set of the set, it says,
Speaker 3: how's that? Okay, So let's get into what is in
Speaker 3: the big beautiful bill, which I do believe is its
Speaker 3: official is its official name.
Speaker 2: I'm just seeing now.
Speaker 3: I think it happened so recently, Clay, that all the
Speaker 3: the news sites live and in real time here are
Speaker 3: still updating.
Speaker 1: Past as we came on the air like that is, yes,
Speaker 1: the second absolute latest breaking news.
Speaker 3: That's why I got all excited. Okay, so it was
Speaker 3: happening in real time. We got to open the show with, ah,
Speaker 3: it has past. The said it fifty one fifty, and
Speaker 3: jd Vance had to step in to uh write, Jade Vance,
Speaker 3: I'm reading this in real time because it just happened.
Speaker 3: Just you understand, this wasn't like an hour. What happened
Speaker 3: seconds or minutes ago. Three Republicans ran Paul of Kentucky,
Speaker 3: Tom Tillis of North Carolina, not running next year. Susan
Speaker 3: Collins of Maine joined Democrats to vote against the bill.
Speaker 3: Paul opposed the legislation's five trillion dollars debtlimit, et cetera. Okay,
Speaker 3: so Susan Collins. Not a surprise. Rand Paul being Rand Paul,
Speaker 3: Trump's probably gonna have some truths for him that are
Speaker 3: not very nice. And Tom tillis here. Lisa Murkowski was
Speaker 3: the final piece. She backed the bill after discussions with
Speaker 3: Thune twenty four hours of motions and amendments. Senate Republican
Speaker 3: leaders altered the bill right up to the final moments.
Speaker 3: So this was this was down to the wire, everyone
Speaker 3: to get the things they wanted to get into in here.
Speaker 3: Hundreds of billions for border security, national defense, increased budget
Speaker 3: deficit by about three point three trillion through twenty thirty four. Yeah,
Speaker 3: look it's I'll tell you, the White House is very
Speaker 3: excited about this.
Speaker 2: I think the economy is going to look.
Speaker 3: Really good as a result of this, or rather, there's
Speaker 3: going to be a lot of good things that happened. Clay,
Speaker 3: we knew it would get through. Yeah, tie breaking vote
Speaker 3: from JD. Van So it was a close run thing here.
Speaker 3: We knew it would get through. It's getting through now. Okay,
Speaker 3: the House reconciles it on their end. What are your
Speaker 3: thoughts as we sit here and bask in the glow
Speaker 3: of MAGA another win up on the board.
Speaker 1: So I think the big question is going to be
Speaker 1: how fast can the economy grow? So, now that this
Speaker 1: bill is done, the ability to grow the economy is
Speaker 1: how we end up keeping from having to massively increase
Speaker 1: the overall debt, and so that is my biggest question.
Speaker 1: Can we get this economy moving at three percent growth
Speaker 1: doesn't sound found outrageous to me, but it is better
Speaker 1: than we have been growing the economy over the past
Speaker 1: decade or so fifteen years on average, And so to me,
Speaker 1: the biggest question out there is how fast can we
Speaker 1: grow the economy? To me, the secondary question on this
Speaker 1: is can we get the FED to lower interest rates?
Speaker 1: Our interest rates are about two percent above where the
Speaker 1: EU is right now at four point twenty five four
Speaker 1: point five. You guys can correct me in the studio
Speaker 1: if I get the percentages wrong. I think the numbers
Speaker 1: need to be around two and a half frankly where
Speaker 1: the EU is. If that were to happen, then mortgage
Speaker 1: rates and theory are going to come back. That would
Speaker 1: unlock the housing market, which is I think the most
Speaker 1: frozen aspect of the American economy right now. So many
Speaker 1: of you got the two and a half or three
Speaker 1: percent fifteen and thirty year mortgages. Congrats, but it's been
Speaker 1: several years and we accelerated those so rapidly that lots
Speaker 1: of people are unwilling to sell their homes or move
Speaker 1: despite changing life circumstances, because the difference between a two
Speaker 1: and a half and a three and a seven percent
Speaker 1: mortgage rate is so massively substantial. If that starts to
Speaker 1: get unfrozen, then I think a lot of the other
Speaker 1: aspects of the economy will start to fire on all cylinders.
Speaker 3: So the House Freedom Caucus, I was asking, who's going
Speaker 3: to cause drama here? I was all excited, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is finally happening. We're looking at a holiday coming
Speaker 3: up here, a great holiday weekend. Country's kicking ass. Things
Speaker 3: going really well. House Freedom Caucus says, and this is
Speaker 3: as of the last twenty four hours. House budget framework
Speaker 3: was clear. No new deficit spending in the One Big
Speaker 3: Beautiful Bill. The Senates version adds six hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: one billion to the deficit, and that's before interest costs,
Speaker 3: which nearly double the total. That's not fiscal responsibility, that's
Speaker 3: not what we agreed to. The Senate must make major
Speaker 3: changes and should at least be in the ballpark of
Speaker 3: compliance with the House Budget Framework.
Speaker 2: Uh, are they really going to do this? Are they
Speaker 2: going to do this?
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be some drama associated with this,
Speaker 1: and I think ultimately everybody if.
Speaker 3: The drama is just so they get attention and then
Speaker 3: they let this go through, they're just being annoying. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna say this because we've already We've already had
Speaker 3: this discussion.
Speaker 1: I get it. This is the best you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: And there's people out there who are gonna say, Look,
Speaker 1: Rand Paul's right about the deficit. I think he is.
Speaker 1: Chip Uh, Chip Roy is right about the deficit. I
Speaker 1: think he is. This is the best bill that's going
Speaker 1: to pass and you just saw. I have yet to
Speaker 1: see anyone come up with a bill that could get
Speaker 1: passage in the Senate and the House and do as
Speaker 1: much of this bill does. Politics is the art of
Speaker 1: the possible. I get people out there that are upset
Speaker 1: about the debt, the deficit. I am Look. The reality
Speaker 1: is nobody wants to address the fact that entitlement spending,
Speaker 1: Social Security, and medicare make it virtually impossible to largely
Speaker 1: restrict the size of the federal government, and as soon
Speaker 1: as you mentioned that, we get flooded, and every politician
Speaker 1: does with Hey, that money is mine, I want it back.
Speaker 1: And so the structural issues we have at play here,
Speaker 1: and this is a challenge, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be the want walk guy, but the structural issues we
Speaker 1: have in play is there are way more older people
Speaker 1: now than there are younger people in many advanced countries
Speaker 1: in the world, and entitle what programs are predicated on
Speaker 1: there being way more younger people than there are older people.
Speaker 1: And if you are around our age, the math doesn't
Speaker 1: add up for us to get the Social Security dollars
Speaker 1: back that we put in. And that's just the reality.
Speaker 1: Without adjusting based on retirement ages, based on just looking
Speaker 1: at population tables, I presume that I'm going to get
Speaker 1: virtually nothing from Social Security. That's me. I'm forty six.
Speaker 1: You know, people can start taking social Security. I think
Speaker 1: it's sixty two, so I'm not that far away. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be there. This is
Speaker 1: why I find the whole thing frustrating.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate that Rand Paul wants to Senator Paul
Speaker 3: wants to have his voice heard on this, and mathematically
Speaker 3: he's right, but politically he's wrong because no one's going
Speaker 3: to do anything about this right now, and there's no
Speaker 3: willingness among the American people, even people who say they
Speaker 3: want to tackle the debt to do it.
Speaker 2: It's like having a debt ceiling fight.
Speaker 3: It's a fake fight because we always raise the debt
Speaker 3: ceiling and then if they default, they don't really Rather
Speaker 3: there's discussion about default, they're not really going to default.
Speaker 2: So it just becomes tiresome and you lose. It's the
Speaker 2: boy who cried wolf.
Speaker 3: You lose public interest, and I think that yeah, until
Speaker 3: people want to talk about entitlements just to keep spending
Speaker 3: the money we have to spend to achieve the priorities
Speaker 3: of the Republican Party. If we don't have a secure
Speaker 3: border and we don't deal with the illegal immigration issue,
Speaker 3: we Medicare and social security in thirty years is going
Speaker 3: to be the least of our problems because we're not
Speaker 3: gonna have a country any more.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: The hundreds of billions of dollars that are going toward
Speaker 3: border security and the deportation efforts of the illegals who
Speaker 3: pile them. Under Biden it's absolutely essential. A lot of
Speaker 3: the things that are covered in the big beautiful bill
Speaker 3: are going to be I believe rocket fuel for the economy.
Speaker 3: Growth is also really important. Remember nobody's factoring in that
Speaker 3: Trump wasn't I should say, factoring in Trump's tariffs into
Speaker 3: financial and fiscal matters for the country. It's already one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty billion dollars and it's just getting going.
Speaker 3: So you know, there are other pathways maybe that could
Speaker 3: be considered here that might make the situation better. Now
Speaker 3: that I mean I did, I'll say, I know that
Speaker 3: Trump had to sign it, so I've forgotten.
Speaker 2: Now the House has the reconcile on their side for
Speaker 2: a second, and I.
Speaker 3: Think they're just gonna do what they did. We're gonna
Speaker 3: get a bunch of windy speeches about the debt, the debt,
Speaker 3: the debt, and then they're gonna and then they're gonna
Speaker 3: vote for it. I don't understand what's We all get it.
Speaker 3: We all understand there's nothing else to be said until
Speaker 3: until you want to deal with entitlements. Everybody, you don't
Speaker 3: want to deal with the debt. End of story, full stop,
Speaker 3: end of conversation, And nobody wants to deal with entitlement,
Speaker 3: so let's just do what we can to achieve the
Speaker 3: agenda we've got. While Trump's running things.
Speaker 1: I think that there's going to be a recognition that
Speaker 1: entitlement spending is out of control and everybody's gonna have
Speaker 1: to get their benefits cut. And we should have We
Speaker 1: should have a real conversation about social Security and the
Speaker 1: fact that it's actually not a very good deal and
Speaker 1: most Americans just don't really look into it because it's
Speaker 1: been established for a long time. The government takes your money,
Speaker 1: they give you a three percent return roughly on it,
Speaker 1: and if you die, this is all you'll never get it.
Speaker 3: You know that this is all falling on deaf ears.
Speaker 3: People love their people love social Security, and you know
Speaker 3: what the problem is, Clay, the lunatic communists who are
Speaker 3: certainly right now sitting around a lot of them praising
Speaker 3: the Mom Donnie wing of the Democrat Party. They're not
Speaker 3: going to get into what you're talking about. They're just
Speaker 3: gonna tell people bull they're taking your social Security, and
Speaker 3: then you lose, and then the communists are in charge
Speaker 3: and then they ruin everything. So this is truth, is
Speaker 3: the political reality of America right now, and Trump sees it,
Speaker 3: and I that's why I have my patience for this
Speaker 3: thing and my patients even for beyond. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: hear it out, make the case, tell everybody the numbers.
Speaker 3: But standing in the way of the Trump agenda because
Speaker 3: you say that you're not getting the cuts you want.
Speaker 3: You're not getting the cuts. Okay, it's not happening. You're
Speaker 3: you're not You're not actually going to deal with the dead.
Speaker 3: It's thirty seven trillion dollars, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: How many people do you think even understands so security.
Speaker 1: What percentage of the American population?
Speaker 3: I mean, they know that they get money when they're
Speaker 3: when they're older, and they needed it. I mean that's
Speaker 3: all they care to know. But the fact that it's
Speaker 3: an awful deal.
Speaker 1: And if you got to keep your own money and
Speaker 1: you just put it in index funds.
Speaker 3: You would people don't trust themselves. People don't They would
Speaker 3: spend it. People would spend it on a jet ski
Speaker 3: and then they'd say, oh, but I need help now.
Speaker 2: And you know this is this is the problem. People want.
Speaker 2: Everybody wants somebody else to pay for their stuff.
Speaker 3: Realizing that they're the ones paying for the stuff they
Speaker 3: think is coming from other people.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest challenge is it's so embedded now
Speaker 1: that most people don't even examine the underlying concept, which
Speaker 1: is basically a big pyramid scheme, and it's predicated on
Speaker 1: there always being way more young people than there are
Speaker 1: old people. And we're not in that era anymore.
Speaker 3: Clay, the average person pays in to medicare less than
Speaker 3: half of what they take out of Medicare in terms
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 2: Actual cost of their care.
Speaker 3: But if you tell anybody that you're going to change Medicare,
Speaker 3: you know what they say, I paid for that. It's
Speaker 3: not welfare, it's an entitlement. I've paid for it. I
Speaker 3: deserve it. Okay, Well, if I give you money for
Speaker 3: one ice cream cone, but you keep giving me two
Speaker 3: ice cream cones, you're going to run out of ice
Speaker 3: cream cones. Nobody wants to hear it. And honestly, I'm
Speaker 3: excited about the border. I'm excited about saving the country.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about the Trump agenda being funded. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm with Stephen Miller on this stuff. Man, Like, we
Speaker 3: got to save the country now, so we'll figure out
Speaker 3: the debt later. When people want to have big boy
Speaker 3: conversations about it, they don't actually the America answer you
Speaker 3: want to have the conversation.
Speaker 1: The answer then becomes the growth rate is everything, yep,
Speaker 1: because the growth rate of the country is what can
Speaker 1: turn this into a net positive bill. So if you
Speaker 1: are optimistic on AI, if you want to unleash individual
Speaker 1: American meritocracy, if we ever got the country growing at
Speaker 1: four percent again, all of these issues vanish basically, right
Speaker 1: a four percent a year, four percent a year, four
Speaker 1: percent a year. We're growing at like one point five
Speaker 1: percent a year, one point eight percent a year. The
Speaker 1: overall growth rate of the American economy is the key.
Speaker 1: If overall spending is not going to be addressed, and
Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be a political will unfortunately, as
Speaker 1: you and I believe there should be. If you look
Speaker 1: at just the basic books, the political will isn't there
Speaker 1: to address the spending.
Speaker 3: And so we live in a match to understand understand.
Speaker 3: It's not convincing Republicans to tackle the debt. It's dealing
Speaker 3: with the fact that Democrats will call you heartless, you know, ruthless,
Speaker 3: throwing old ladies off their medicare and taking away social
Speaker 3: security from hardworking Americans so they can seize power and
Speaker 3: act like communist maniacs. That's the problem. So this is
Speaker 3: it's not just like we're having to talk on our side.
Speaker 1: And also the concept of cut, which the media I
Speaker 1: think does a poor job of slowing the rate of growth,
Speaker 1: is not a cut. It's still a growth. But they
Speaker 1: have managed to create this idea, well, we're going to
Speaker 1: dial back to growth of the of the of the
Speaker 1: overall spending, and that is seen as a cut. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're cutting spinning. No, spinning is still growing, it's just
Speaker 1: not growing at the same rate. And honestly, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of this is just communication failure. I don't
Speaker 1: think people know the details. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't care to know the details.
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: It's going to pass and Trump's gonna end up signing it,
Speaker 3: and everyone who's chirping about this from the Congress in
Speaker 3: the meantime is going to go along with what's basically there.
Speaker 2: Just throw it out there for everybody.
Speaker 3: But the debt is not being dealt with, that is
Speaker 3: for sure. And that is why the Bricks conference is
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Speaker 1: The Senate has passed the big beautiful bill that happened
Speaker 1: right at the start of the first hour of today's
Speaker 1: program that will now go back to the House. End
Speaker 1: result is going to be passage. Seems to be I
Speaker 1: would say general happiness over this passing, but also a
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've picked up on this before,
Speaker 1: a demand for perfection in bills, the likes of which
Speaker 1: I have not seen in the past. All bills passed
Speaker 1: by Congress are imperfect. Many of them are, unfortunately awful,
Speaker 1: which is why in many ways I would just like
Speaker 1: less government. I think most of you out there would
Speaker 1: like less government. Just get out of the way and
Speaker 1: let individual excellence triumph, which is how you get the
Speaker 1: economy growing. But this bill, I think will aid substantially
Speaker 1: in getting the economy growing. It will provide certainty on
Speaker 1: tax rates, It will further shut down the southern border.
Speaker 1: It is imperfect, as all acts of Congress are, but
Speaker 1: I believe the net benefits are very much in a
Speaker 1: positive direction. Now, for those of you out there that
Speaker 1: are concerned about government spending, you're right, the government spending
Speaker 1: is out of control. There is not, however, the political
Speaker 1: will to address government spending, either on the Democrat or
Speaker 1: the Republican side. It doesn't exist. If you argue for it.
Speaker 1: In cutting government spending, cutting entitlements, all these things, you
Speaker 1: don't get elected. And to Buck's point, eventually communists take power,
Speaker 1: and they spend more money, and they tax you at
Speaker 1: a higher rate. So I don't know who the great
Speaker 1: communicator is going to be that can actually sit down.
Speaker 1: I feel like in many ways, back in the day,
Speaker 1: some of you will remember this Ross Perrot used to
Speaker 1: just buy commercial time in nineteen ninety two, and he
Speaker 1: had his.
Speaker 2: Western can it finish?
Speaker 1: He had his lectern, and he had his like a pointer,
Speaker 1: and he would stand there and just make the case
Speaker 1: as a executive would about how government spending was out
Speaker 1: of control. I think Ron Johnson is right on this.
Speaker 1: I think Grand Paul is right on this. We have
Speaker 1: allowed embedded spending excess to be continued from COVID. I
Speaker 1: agree with all of it. The political will to address
Speaker 1: it isn't there. And Democrats this is where they win
Speaker 1: a lot of these arguments because they have established the
Speaker 1: definition of a cut is actually slowing the rate of growth.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this being applied anywhere else.
Speaker 3: This is really this was true Republicans in the Tea
Speaker 3: Party era trying with there was that. There was a
Speaker 3: huge fight, and it was about slowing the rate of
Speaker 3: the increase of spending. It was about spending less of
Speaker 3: a of a you know, bringing the trajectory of increase
Speaker 3: spending down just a little bit and in the decrease
Speaker 3: in the increase. Yes, and this was a huge political
Speaker 3: fight back in the Tea Party days a decade ago.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't want to be I don't want to
Speaker 3: be dismissive or cynical about it. But usually when I
Speaker 3: say that, it's because I'm about to be. We just
Speaker 3: haven't suffered enough. People haven't spent enough. They haven't seen
Speaker 3: enough of their grandchildren not living up to the you know,
Speaker 3: the quality of life that they themselves had. Or we
Speaker 3: haven't seen enough money going to paying interest and having
Speaker 3: that crowd out private spending. We haven't seen enough of
Speaker 3: the tax raises that eventually are going to be a
Speaker 3: part of trying to stabilize this. Like you know, that's
Speaker 3: or or or happiness, because we're going into a holiday
Speaker 3: weekend and I already have holiday brain going on here
Speaker 3: a little bit or clay. We find ways that AI
Speaker 3: and productivity and growth are so profound that it's it's
Speaker 3: a something of a fiscal miracle, right. I mean, we
Speaker 3: become so productive and so efficient as an economy that
Speaker 3: we're able to grow our way, if not out of it,
Speaker 3: grow our way to continued stability with it.
Speaker 2: That's a possibility as well.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's There are people who believe
Speaker 3: that AI is going to be more transformational than even
Speaker 3: the Internet has been fixed. Without that for a second,
Speaker 3: so no one really knows what that means in terms
Speaker 3: of how much wealth. You know, people think of wealth
Speaker 3: as zero sum, and it's not. Now I'm barring from
Speaker 3: Naval ravakand he's a very smart guy. Status is zero sum.
Speaker 3: Wealth can actually be something that is real and that
Speaker 3: is broadly shared. We're all a lot richer than the
Speaker 3: richest people were in the fifteen hundreds. Why is that right?
Speaker 3: The world has gotten a lot wealthier, not just individuals.
Speaker 3: Status is a different thing, that's zero sum. So I
Speaker 3: just don't know if we've reached the point. I don't
Speaker 3: think we have reached the point of the country where
Speaker 3: we want to tackle the problem. Maybe we want to
Speaker 3: see if we can grow our way out of it,
Speaker 3: and that's where we are. So any noise to the
Speaker 3: contrary right now is unfortunate, just that noise.
Speaker 1: I think the are argument that might cut through from
Speaker 1: a communication perspective is if you put on ten pounds
Speaker 1: of weight every year and then suddenly you only put
Speaker 1: on three. You're getting fat slower, but you're still getting fatter.
Speaker 1: And the whole idea that slowing the rate of an
Speaker 1: increase or slowing the rate of growth as a cut
Speaker 1: is one of the most pernicious I think realities that
Speaker 1: has been allowed to exist in the way we even
Speaker 1: have conversation. This is where the left does a better
Speaker 1: job with language, because defining a cut as something that
Speaker 1: actually leads to something being greater is really what they
Speaker 1: do in essence, because what it means is once they
Speaker 1: get the money spent, they never dial back from the
Speaker 1: money that has been spent. They embed it.
Speaker 3: It's also it's like revenue versus taxes. They don't use
Speaker 3: the word tax really if they can avoid it. They'll
Speaker 3: say revenue because revenue is just money the government has
Speaker 3: which is good and goes to investing.
Speaker 2: That's what I'll also say, we need.
Speaker 3: To invest more in the following programs because investing sounds good.
Speaker 3: What they mean is take your money under the threat
Speaker 3: of fine, zan or imprisonment and put it into things
Speaker 3: that the government decides, our payoffs for the constituents that
Speaker 3: they need to pay off. That's what it actually is,
Speaker 3: But they play games with the language. I say this
Speaker 3: to Clay offline, I mean off air, I'll say it
Speaker 3: to all of you. It's the same thing. When you
Speaker 3: talk about minimum wage. Minimum wage is economically a flawed concept.
Speaker 3: It does not work the way it is intended to work.
Speaker 3: It never has, it never will, doesn't matter. People like it.
Speaker 3: And if you say don't pay minimum wage, you know
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 2: You lose.
Speaker 3: So it's very hard and you could say, well, I'll
Speaker 3: just convince people, make a better argument.
Speaker 2: You can convince some people.
Speaker 3: Can you convince enough people that the communists who are
Speaker 3: just going to shout you're a fat cat? They play
Speaker 3: the politics of envy, the mom Donnie routine like this
Speaker 3: mom Donnie stuff is none of this is new.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing with Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 3: Did you see Bernie Sanders sitting down with Joe Rogan recently?
Speaker 3: I might add talking about the the lawsuits.
Speaker 2: That Trump is filing.
Speaker 3: You know what Bernie Sanders does whenever he's cornered with
Speaker 3: a stupid argument, he pretends he doesn't know the details.
Speaker 2: This is what he does. He does this with economics too,
Speaker 2: I might add, well, you know that'll have the fects
Speaker 2: and the figures on that, so I can't get into it.
Speaker 3: Then the no, it's because his arguments are trash clay.
Speaker 3: But Bernie Sanders, Mamdani aoc, they're all doing the same thing,
Speaker 3: which is ignoring history, ignoring math, and telling people they
Speaker 3: have a secret sauce, a secret formula that's gonna make
Speaker 3: everybody feel like they're getting enough and they're good enough
Speaker 3: and everything is fine. It is always a lie, but
Speaker 3: it's a very appealing lie.
Speaker 1: Something that Trump is going to focus on buck that
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see attention on that I think could
Speaker 1: be transformative. Okay, we've talked now. The big beautiful Bill
Speaker 1: is eventually going to pass in some fashions, pass the Senate,
Speaker 1: past the House. They have to reconcile them. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it's going to suddenly blow up. There's going
Speaker 1: to be some form of a bill that passes. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that is now moving forward in the agenda. There
Speaker 1: is now and I think this is going to be
Speaker 1: potentially transformative momentum to not count illegal immigrants for purposes
Speaker 1: of the House seats. Have you seen this? This could
Speaker 1: be hugely important and it's structural and it's massive. First
Speaker 1: of all, we need a new census because I think
Speaker 1: they screwed it up, and it would change the way
Speaker 1: that the twenty twenty eight election map is set up
Speaker 1: because it would mean that even if Democrats won Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: The electoral votes are not there to allow them to
Speaker 1: be able to win two seventy to two sixty eight. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the electoral college not going to be shifted. It doesn't
Speaker 1: appear till after twenty thirty. But what no one talks
Speaker 1: about that I think Trump could get behind, and this
Speaker 1: could be really important too, is they count illegal immigrants
Speaker 1: for purposes of House seats, and the number is roughly
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty or seven hundred and forty thousand.
Speaker 1: Congressmen represent individuals. If you said, hey, we're not counting
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants at all for purposes of House seats, this
Speaker 1: would mean that the House was not winnable for Democrats.
Speaker 1: They may win the House back in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 1: but structurally, if if I were now the Trump team
Speaker 1: and I were giving them advice on something that I
Speaker 1: think would be transformative in the illegal immigrant space, it
Speaker 1: would be let's make it clear that you cannot count
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants for purposes of redistricting House seats and districting
Speaker 1: House seats, and this would probably knock at least ten
Speaker 1: Democrat seats out of control. Why in the world should
Speaker 1: these people be counted, and it be the case that
Speaker 1: Democrats benefit overwhelmingly off of people that are not citizens,
Speaker 1: not them voting, but just then being counted for census purposes.
Speaker 1: This means that big cities and blue states that have
Speaker 1: encouraged illegal immigrants to come into their locations would be
Speaker 1: dialed back in their impact, and this would have a
Speaker 1: substantial impact going forward. I think it's one of the
Speaker 1: big things that I would say, Hey, now that we
Speaker 1: got this done, let's focus on that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: It also goes to the perception people have, which I
Speaker 3: think is in this case correct, which is that the
Speaker 3: system is rigged because if you're a political party that
Speaker 3: is benefiting from violations of law, you are benefiting in
Speaker 3: terms of, you know, cold hard facts of power when
Speaker 3: it comes to leveraging something that is the mass violation,
Speaker 3: the zero violation of American law. That's not the way
Speaker 3: the game is supposed to be played, all right, The
Speaker 3: refs have been paid off. This is a problem, and
Speaker 3: as you point out, a substantial and a big one
Speaker 3: by the numbers. So yeah, this is why I keep
Speaker 3: saying though with the big beautiful bill, the illegals situation,
Speaker 3: this is why Trump won this is the number one
Speaker 3: reason in my mind that Trump won the election as
Speaker 3: convincingly as he did. I know, there's other stuff, there's
Speaker 3: a million things. Okay, it's always you're taking a snapshot
Speaker 3: of the way that one hundred and fifty million people
Speaker 3: decided to click one box or the other. But immigration
Speaker 3: is the single issue that I think motivated more people
Speaker 3: to get behind Trump. And this has to start getting
Speaker 3: fixed right now because what we saw under Joe Biden
Speaker 3: that is truly unsustainable if you want to consider this
Speaker 3: to be America going forward, not in fifty years, in
Speaker 3: five years, you can't have another ten million illegals pile
Speaker 3: into this country on top of the illegals that are
Speaker 3: already here and think that this is still going to
Speaker 3: be what we've thought it is. And Clay, it's already
Speaker 3: having a huge political effect as we see give all
Speaker 3: these cities that are trying to thwart federal law enforcement.
Speaker 3: Well that's because the political power of the illegal constituents
Speaker 3: in those cities is huge.
Speaker 1: And they know that they have to try and preserve it.
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Speaker 3: The big news the day at the top of the show,
Speaker 3: just to recap, right as we came on air, I mean,
Speaker 3: within moments, the Senate had passed on a fifty one
Speaker 3: to fifty vote, the Big Beautiful Bill Jdvay.
Speaker 2: It's had to be the.
Speaker 3: Tie break on that one. Tom Tillis, Rand Paul, who's
Speaker 3: the somebody else didn't get Oh Collins didn't vote for me.
Speaker 3: So yep, that was what happened there. Now, thank you
Speaker 3: play for the catch. It goes back to the House
Speaker 3: side before it goes to the President's desk for signature.
Speaker 3: The House is gonna there's gonna be some squawking from
Speaker 3: the Freedom Caucus about it. I don't think they're going
Speaker 3: to sabotage the Trump agenda at this late moment on
Speaker 3: the big beautiful bill, but.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be.
Speaker 3: They're gonna, you know, look, they're allowed to have their
Speaker 3: say on it, and they will. So that will be
Speaker 3: a thing that occurs in the next few days and
Speaker 3: we're probably gonna get to a signature before the holiday.
Speaker 3: Hopefully that is how this will go. So that's the
Speaker 3: big news. And then we had the most interesting visit
Speaker 3: of the day was Donald Trump going down to Alligator Alcatraz,
Speaker 3: which is in o Choppy, oh Choppy, Florida, which is
Speaker 3: near Everglades City, which I can tell you is not
Speaker 3: really much of a city. It is really middle of Nowheresville.
Speaker 2: I think o Choppy, uh is.
Speaker 3: It has one hundred people something like that lives and
Speaker 3: lives in the in the It is unincorporated territory, so
Speaker 3: it's not even I think a township per se. It's
Speaker 3: quite small. But that was the one if you're wondering,
Speaker 3: it wasn't Lake Okachobe. I know Lake Okachobe. O Choppi
Speaker 3: was the new place. So that's where they have this
Speaker 3: airstrip that is a place to put illegal migrants, illegal
Speaker 3: aliens before they are deported. And Trump is saying, if
Speaker 3: you try to run from the gators or swim from
Speaker 3: the gators, it's going to be a bad day for you.
Speaker 3: So there's all that going on, and then he got
Speaker 3: into Kami, Mom, Donnie, do you have anything in the
Speaker 3: alligator Alcatraz. The team is saying that all you have
Speaker 3: to do is be able to not zigzag but outrun
Speaker 3: the nearest person to you, which is that is always true,
Speaker 3: and that is mean. That's very mean. Clay would Clay
Speaker 3: would not leave me behind to get eaten by gators, right, Clay?
Speaker 3: Probably correct?
Speaker 1: Yes, I would be Again I've said on this program before,
Speaker 1: I am prepared to save anyone from an alligator attack.
Speaker 1: If you see me near a swamp, I've got your back.
Speaker 1: So uh, just don't go in the water. But if
Speaker 1: they come out of the water, like in Crocodile Dundee,
Speaker 1: I know that's crocodile versus an alligator, then I'll be
Speaker 1: like mc dundee right there to protect you. By the way,
Speaker 1: that movie also still a lot of fun. If you've
Speaker 1: got kids and you want to watch some movies during
Speaker 1: the July fourth holiday, whether it's not great, maybe you're
Speaker 1: sitting around. We've been watching all the Harry Potter movies
Speaker 1: in the Travis household and there's still really good, So
Speaker 1: props JK. Rowling. I think she may have a future
Speaker 1: in this creative industry space. But that alligator Alcatraz thing,
Speaker 1: and I think I know we said it last hour,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's so important. Trump and DeSantis
Speaker 1: are a whale of a team. And I know Ron
Speaker 1: DeSantis only has whatever it is, a year and a
Speaker 1: half left basically as the governor of Florida, but I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if DeSantis ends up in some
Speaker 1: form or fashion as a part of Trump two point
Speaker 1: oh cabinet. And what I mean by that is there's
Speaker 1: constant doing these jobs takes a lot. So so far
Speaker 1: we have had pretty great stability in Trump two point
Speaker 1: oh cabinet universe. But at some point some of these guys,
Speaker 1: probably after and gals after the midterms, are going to
Speaker 1: start to say, Hey, I want to do something different.
Speaker 1: I'm burned out two years of going full speed doing X,
Speaker 1: Y or Z. There's something else that I want to do.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me if Trump comes back to DeSantis.
Speaker 1: Remember there was some talk about Desantus potentially being the
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense when it was uncertain about whether hegg
Speaker 1: Seth was going to be confirmed. And that's another example
Speaker 1: of jd Vance breaking a tie fifty to fifty in
Speaker 1: the Senate. Jd Vance gets the vote to get heg
Speaker 1: set then and Pete has done a very very good job.
Speaker 1: Since this is also an example in the big beautiful Bill,
Speaker 1: you've got jd Vance breaking the tie. This is why
Speaker 1: having a little bit of a buffer in the Senate
Speaker 1: fifty three forty seven. Uh man, it would be great
Speaker 1: to be up to fifty four or fifty five or
Speaker 1: fifty six as it pertains to where we're headed on next.
Speaker 1: But the Trump DeSantis relationship very strong, and I think
Speaker 1: it's important to point out that by and large, most
Speaker 1: of you out there who voted Trump, I really can
Speaker 1: hardly point to anything in the first six months and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I think Trump could have done a better job on this.
Speaker 1: Politics the art of the possible. So I understand that
Speaker 1: people are saying, oh, this is my number one issue,
Speaker 1: and this hasn't been addressed completely to the ability that
Speaker 1: I would like. You can't make people do what there
Speaker 1: is not the political will for them to do. So
Speaker 1: you and Ibuck, we talked about this somem earlier, were
Speaker 1: very troubled by the national debt. When the Tea Party
Speaker 1: got its start, national debt was ten trillion dollars. National
Speaker 1: debt is soon going to be forty trillion dollars. That's untenable.
Speaker 1: But until there is a political will to address it,
Speaker 1: and you can't solve it by increasing tax rates, that
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Ultimately, I think you're going to have to
Speaker 1: dial back spending. This is inevitable, but that political will
Speaker 1: is not there yet. So in the meantime you have
Speaker 1: two options. You can either whine and complain, and some
Speaker 1: people are choosing that because it's not kick your legs,
Speaker 1: scream like a child, have a temper tantrum, or you
Speaker 1: can do what you and I are talking about. Now, Hey,
Speaker 1: this bill is going to pass, and now it's time
Speaker 1: to try to figure out how do we grow the
Speaker 1: economy as rapidly as we possibly can to help to
Speaker 1: lead to a surplus through growth as opposed to a
Speaker 1: surplus through cuts. That is the new hope, and to me,
Speaker 1: if we can get it to three four percent growth,
Speaker 1: everything changes.
Speaker 3: Yes, So that's the case for optimism, and I agree
Speaker 3: with you on that. The case for optimism is not
Speaker 3: that everyone's going to see the wisdom of Iran sorright
Speaker 3: Ran Paul's math and make massive changes to the biggest
Speaker 3: spending programs and priorities of the United States government now and.
Speaker 2: For the last well all of our lifetimes. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3: Trump just has the economy so juiced and so in fuego,
Speaker 3: that's some very good things can happen. What will make
Speaker 3: things a lot worse is if the commedi mom Donnie
Speaker 3: is able to take control. Trump spoke about this. There's
Speaker 3: a marine one noise in the background, but we wanted
Speaker 3: you to hear this. This is cut seven. This is look.
Speaker 3: Even President Trump's winning and we all see this. This
Speaker 3: is concerning when somebody gets the wind that is back
Speaker 3: in someplace as important as New York City play it.
Speaker 5: I think he's terri book.
Speaker 4: He's a communist.
Speaker 5: The last thing we need is a communist. I said
Speaker 5: there will never be socialism in the United States, so
Speaker 5: we have a communist. I think he's bad to and
Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna have a lot of fun with
Speaker 5: him watching him because he has stick up right, but
Speaker 5: with Joney to get his funny and so what, he's
Speaker 5: not going to run away with anything. I think he's Frankly,
Speaker 5: I've heard he's your total nutjob.
Speaker 2: I think the people who.
Speaker 5: In New York are crazy. He said they go this route.
Speaker 1: I think they're crazy.
Speaker 4: We will have a communist in the for the first time,
Speaker 4: really a pure true communist. He wants to operate the
Speaker 4: grocery stores, the department stores. What about the people like that?
Speaker 4: I think it's.
Speaker 3: Crazy, Yeah, Clay, it is crazy. And I understand that
Speaker 3: there's this sense that it's limited to New York. But
Speaker 3: AOC and Bernie Sanders, they co sign really all of
Speaker 3: this stuff, and they're the Democrats that have the most
Speaker 3: currency with the base. And it is a Democrat party
Speaker 3: that came within a few hundred thousand votes of Trump,
Speaker 3: even after lying about Biden's dementia and putting forward the
Speaker 3: worst candidate in our lifetime in Kamala Harris. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I would argue even worse than the dementia guy, which
Speaker 3: tells you a lot. So we have to take this Seriously,
Speaker 3: people ask how does the Democratic Party come back?
Speaker 2: It's not hard.
Speaker 3: They were close even in this election and aggregate numbers.
Speaker 3: When you really look at it, there are a lot
Speaker 3: of people who are voting Democrat no matter who they
Speaker 3: put forward, no matter how crazy the idea is. And
Speaker 3: Mom Donni, I think is just a symptom of that
Speaker 3: larger malady.
Speaker 1: And again I'm gonna keep hammering it. If there is
Speaker 1: not a coalition that arises to all come together to
Speaker 1: oppose Mamdanni. If you have Eric Adams running as an independent,
Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo running as an independent, uh, and you have
Speaker 1: a situation where Curtis Sliwa is the Republican that trio
Speaker 1: is going to assure that Mam Donnie wins. So the
Speaker 1: only way in New York City rejects Mamdanni and has
Speaker 1: some form of sanity in terms of who it's selecting
Speaker 1: as its next mayor is if there's a understanding that
Speaker 1: they cannot all run and there is a coalition of
Speaker 1: opposition that comes together to try and defeat Mam Donnie.
Speaker 1: My concern is everybody's going to look out for their
Speaker 1: best interest, meaning we're going to get more attention if
Speaker 1: you stay in the race, and everybody else loses, and
Speaker 1: there isn't a coalition brought together to come against him.
Speaker 1: And I think what Trump is talking about in general
Speaker 1: is the opposition that he sees from all these sanctuary
Speaker 1: cities as the process is underway to deport so many
Speaker 1: different people is a direct opposition to the federal government
Speaker 1: and should not be acceptable. And at some point, I
Speaker 1: think there's going to have to be a test case
Speaker 1: of someone, probably a mayor that is one of these
Speaker 1: sanctuary cities that is directly defying federal law, and we're
Speaker 1: going to have to have the court's rule about whether
Speaker 1: or not that is permissible or appropriate, because I don't
Speaker 1: understand we made this argument, and the Supreme Court has
Speaker 1: set it quite clearly. The President of the United States
Speaker 1: is in charge of border related policies, immigration, all of
Speaker 1: those things. How can we allow all of these individual
Speaker 1: cities and certainly governors of states, But it's really being
Speaker 1: driven more by mayors of cities that have decided that
Speaker 1: they are sanctuaries. How can we allow them to directly
Speaker 1: defy federal law. At some point that conflict is going
Speaker 1: to have to be resolved in some way by the
Speaker 1: larger court system. It feels inevitable to me.
Speaker 3: Well, get some calls and some talkbacks coming up here
Speaker 3: in a second. I want to hear from all of
Speaker 3: you before Clayon and I sent off for the holiday.
Speaker 3: And like I said, Tutor Dixon and tomorrow Brian Mudd
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Speaker 2: Hey Joe and Mesa.
Speaker 6: I was trying to explain to my friend just like
Speaker 6: why most of America doesn't even care about the deportations
Speaker 6: that are happening, and he flipped out on me and
Speaker 6: was saying that I needed to admit that I hate
Speaker 6: every other race other than my own anyways. So in
Speaker 6: the end, they're just totally brainwashed and there's nothing you
Speaker 6: can do.
Speaker 3: The law either matters or a dozen has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with race, has to do with being a rule
Speaker 3: of law society.
Speaker 2: Clay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I think that a lot of people
Speaker 1: are dialed out and just randomly buy into all of
Speaker 1: the historyonics. I mean, I think a perfect example of
Speaker 1: this is, you know we're going to hit right now.
Speaker 1: The stock market is up again today for another high.
Speaker 1: It was only two months ago that they were telling
Speaker 1: you that everything was going to collapse and that you
Speaker 1: needed to make sure that you sold all your stocks,
Speaker 1: and that we were headed for basically a nuclear winter
Speaker 1: and from an economic perspective, and it just hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: And so I think the total fear there is it
Speaker 1: works on a lot of people, and they are aware
Speaker 1: that emotionally they can play on people's failings as it
Speaker 1: pertains to that. Basically we have next up here, a
Speaker 1: lot of Lord of the Rings nerds in this audience.
Speaker 2: Oh we didn't get we said we were gonna do
Speaker 2: the movie thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I thought, of times I was doing
Speaker 1: my research here New York Times Best Now, this is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a frustration because.
Speaker 2: People don't pay.
Speaker 3: It's like when you had a teacher that said, make
Speaker 3: sure you read the instructions for the exam before you
Speaker 3: take the exam. It's the best movies of the twenty
Speaker 3: first century. So anybody who's jumping in with Braveheart or
Speaker 3: you know which I love and would be my overall choice,
Speaker 3: overall favorite movie all time. That's nineteen ninety eight, I think,
Speaker 3: or six or I forget when to nine? I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it was definitely in the twentyeth twenty two zero,
Speaker 3: twenty eighth century, twenty first century best Movies of the
Speaker 3: twenty first century.
Speaker 2: This is the New York Times list that came out.
Speaker 2: We got a producer.
Speaker 3: I got all of you to tell me your picks,
Speaker 3: and I thought they were pretty solid. And let's say
Speaker 3: all of you, I mean our team in New York,
Speaker 3: New York team. Let's start with you, Ali, Producer, Ali,
Speaker 3: what was your best movie of the twenty first century?
Speaker 3: You had time to think about this, so you're on
Speaker 3: the hot seat now if you forgot what is it?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm totally on the hot seat. I had
Speaker 1: gone with Gladiator, but I had the years all wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it came about hold On Gill two thousand. Ye,
Speaker 1: it counts in the New York Times list, it does,
Speaker 1: because that's that's technically the twenty eighth century. They have
Speaker 1: it down at ninety two, so they are counting anything
Speaker 1: that's two thousand and beyond.
Speaker 2: Well, that's an outrage.
Speaker 3: First of all, the fact that they're counting it and
Speaker 3: they're putting it at ninety two is an outrage because Ali,
Speaker 3: I'd be it would be a top fiver for me,
Speaker 3: top fiver for sure.
Speaker 2: They put Parasite at number one a foreign.
Speaker 3: Film, as the best movie of the twenty first century,
Speaker 3: which which I think is mad at producer Mike.
Speaker 2: What was yours? You had a good one?
Speaker 3: Dark Knight? Well you dark Knight or was that Greg?
Speaker 3: What does producer Mike say, producer dark Knight.
Speaker 2: Dark Knight. Yeah, he was Dark Knight.
Speaker 3: Solid. I can't I can't quibble with that. I have
Speaker 3: watched that movie probably one hundred times. I enjoyed the
Speaker 3: Dark Knight. He really brought back people think now all
Speaker 3: the Batman franchise, huge franchise that was. It was on
Speaker 3: the ropes after a couple of really bad Batman movies
Speaker 3: that bombed big time, including one with I think the
Speaker 3: girl from Clueless was in it, Alicia Silverstone.
Speaker 2: There was a George kloe No, don't even remembers.
Speaker 3: George Clooney played Batman and it was such a bad
Speaker 3: movie that people don't even remember that he was Batman.
Speaker 3: So there, so the Dark Knight was came back from
Speaker 3: The Batman Begins and The Dark Knight both great, great options.
Speaker 3: Remember twenty first century, we're looking at Clay, what was yours?
Speaker 1: I broke it down trio meaning because to me, there
Speaker 1: is there's a difference between a kid movie, there's a
Speaker 1: difference between a comedy, and there's a difference between a
Speaker 1: dramedy drama. So I went with I agree the whole
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy, The Dark Knight, that that is
Speaker 1: really phenomenal, well done up I think was the best
Speaker 1: of the Pixar movies. Up If You Up is so
Speaker 1: well done. And then I think the funniest movie of
Speaker 1: the twenty first century, I think it's old school. I
Speaker 1: just think it is absolutely hysterical funny.
Speaker 3: Well that's not even a category. And now you're making
Speaker 3: up categories funniest.
Speaker 2: You think Old School is the funniest movie of the
Speaker 2: twenty first century.
Speaker 1: What's funnier than Old School?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think forty year old vision is funnier
Speaker 2: than Old School.
Speaker 1: Forty year old version is very funny. Super Bad is
Speaker 1: very funny. Like there's a series of four or five movies.
Speaker 1: I think that you could argue, I think the combination
Speaker 1: of Will Ferrell Vince Vaughan is tough to be. Wedding
Speaker 1: Crashers also really really funny and well done. But I
Speaker 1: think you have to consider what again, best doesn't mean.
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane is a phenomenal movie. We talked about yesterday.
Speaker 1: Shindler's List is a phenomenal movie. It's hard to sit
Speaker 1: down and just be like, hey, let's have some popcorn
Speaker 1: and watch Schimdler's List.
Speaker 3: Well, this is this is like how I feel about
Speaker 3: The Pianist p I A N I S T. To
Speaker 3: be clear, the pianist is a or the pianist maybe
Speaker 3: some people.
Speaker 2: Say it that way.
Speaker 3: Is I think a perfect movie, meaning it is incredibly
Speaker 3: well done, and every aspect of it, from the acting
Speaker 3: to the writing, to the to this sound, you know,
Speaker 3: to the soundtrack to the I think it's a perfect.
Speaker 2: Movie, but it's intense.
Speaker 3: It's World War Two, it's you know, it's a Jewish
Speaker 3: guy who's trying to flee the you know the at
Speaker 3: one point it's his neighbors and the Nazis. And The
Speaker 3: Pianist is an incredible movie, but I can't say it's
Speaker 3: my favorite movie because if the Dark Knight trilogy or
Speaker 3: the Lord of the Rings movies are on, I'm watching
Speaker 3: those instead of The Pianist. I'm just I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: lie and be that guy, which brings me to I
Speaker 3: think they're private producer, Greg, what was your pick?
Speaker 2: You didn't give us. You didn't give us your We're.
Speaker 3: Trying to help you, by the way, for the holiday weekend, everybody,
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen any of these, we're giving you
Speaker 3: great recommendations for I would argue The Lives of other
Speaker 3: is a pretty perfect movie, although it is German Languge,
Speaker 3: which U and that is twenty first century, but again,
Speaker 3: it's not a You still haven't even watched that, have you?
Speaker 3: You and Laura haven't watched the Lives of Others and
Speaker 3: you have? Okay, maybe that one because it's foreign language.
Speaker 3: I can see Laara being like Clay. Don't don't you know,
Speaker 3: don't torture us. You guys haven't watched Hacksaw Ridge, which
Speaker 3: is insane because that was I gave you that assignment
Speaker 3: a long time ago.
Speaker 1: That movie would be fair. To be fair to me.
Speaker 1: I barely see anything. I watch stuff with my kids,
Speaker 1: which is why I've been watching Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: I watch hundreds of hours of college football, hundreds of
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, and I watch a lot of sports. Let
Speaker 1: me give you an underrated movie that I think seems
Speaker 1: even more contemporary than it was when it came out.
Speaker 1: Minority Report.
Speaker 2: Ah suck No.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you go back and watch it now. In
Speaker 1: an age of AI, it seems eerily prescient in terms
Speaker 1: of its foreshadowing of where producer.
Speaker 2: Greg is gonna weigh in.
Speaker 3: He was a he wanted to get in on this,
Speaker 3: Producer Greg, best movie of the twenty first century.
Speaker 2: If you were making this New York Times list, what's
Speaker 2: number one? Dark Knight?
Speaker 3: I'm with, I'm with, Oh your Dark Knight got you?
Speaker 3: I thought I thought we had double Dark Knight. That's
Speaker 3: a Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker is the best
Speaker 3: bad guy performance that uh that I think you ca
Speaker 3: it's that it's the No country for old men with
Speaker 3: what's his name? Uh, you know Lvier Bardem, Javier Bardem
Speaker 3: and Hans Gruber in die Hard, which was the first
Speaker 3: time that guy was.
Speaker 2: Ever in a movie, which is still amazing, The Dark.
Speaker 1: Knight, knowing that Heath Ledger was going to in some
Speaker 1: way kill himself. Like I watch it now, and you're right,
Speaker 1: the performance is incredible, But when I watch it, in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind, I'm thinking, in order to
Speaker 1: become this good, he had to go to such a
Speaker 1: dark place and it felt to me like a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are actors and actresses, it's not actually
Speaker 1: that talented, you know what I mean, Like there are
Speaker 1: lots of people who are whatever. Heath Ledger, that was
Speaker 1: actually an artistic performance as the Joker, but I think
Speaker 1: it led him into a world where his brain like
Speaker 1: almost broke.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: He went into the darkness, went into the darkness too much.
Speaker 3: That has happened with people that get too into a role,
Speaker 3: A lot of people very high in Because I saw
Speaker 3: a lot of comments about this because I was on
Speaker 3: I was on with Will Caine and Carol Markowitz on
Speaker 3: Will's show on Fox Play and that's where this got
Speaker 3: some attention. A lot of people have as their top movies.
Speaker 3: I would say the ones that I saw the most.
Speaker 3: For all of you, all of you out there, I
Speaker 3: say the one that I saw the most. As a
Speaker 3: number one choice was either There Will Be Blood or
Speaker 3: No Country for Old Men for best Movie the twenty
Speaker 3: first century. I view those as both excellent movies, but
Speaker 3: it also goes in that category. There Will Be Blood
Speaker 3: for me is like watching a masterclass of acting. Like
Speaker 3: obviously Daniel d Lewis is phenomenal and the performances are.
Speaker 2: But do I care about anybody in this story? Really No?
Speaker 2: Do I like anybody?
Speaker 5: Really no?
Speaker 3: And then I think that unfortunately, No Country for Old
Speaker 3: Men again very well made, and I'm not saying it's
Speaker 3: not a good movie. I'm just saying, you know, if
Speaker 3: it's on, am I gonna watch it? It's so bleak
Speaker 3: and kind of nihilistic for me. So I can't get
Speaker 3: too excited about either one of those as a top
Speaker 3: ten of the twenty first century. They're both excellent movies,
Speaker 3: to be clear, but they're not movies. I've only watched
Speaker 3: each of those maybe twice, which for me is not
Speaker 3: very many.
Speaker 1: I also, to me, when it's a book being made
Speaker 1: into a movie, I think the excellence of the movie
Speaker 1: in many ways reflects the book. And Cormac McCarthy is
Speaker 1: probably the greatest author now I'm really gonna get people fired,
Speaker 1: probably the greatest author of the last thirty years. And
Speaker 1: I know he died a couple of years ago, but
Speaker 1: if you look at his production in terms of his talent,
Speaker 1: and you go all the way back, he moved eventually
Speaker 1: his fiction to basically the border with Texas and Mexico,
Speaker 1: but he started off as a Tennessee based writer, and
Speaker 1: I think he's probably the most talented writer in America
Speaker 1: in the last thirty years. And so No Country for
Speaker 1: Old Men is a novel by him, and I think
Speaker 1: it just reflects the world that he created on the
Speaker 1: screen and is actually an illustration of his excellence as
Speaker 1: a writer more than it is as a film. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Like if you said, hey, the Great Gatsby,
Speaker 1: which it isn't and it's been made multiple times, most
Speaker 1: recently with Leonardo DiCaprio, If you said The Great Gatsby
Speaker 1: is the best movie that's ever been made, I would
Speaker 1: be like, well, it a phenomenal novel, and so to me,
Speaker 1: I strip out anything that isn't an original movie as
Speaker 1: a great movie. Does that make sense to us as
Speaker 1: a reflection of the of the book?
Speaker 3: More than one talkback here before we get into more
Speaker 3: talkbacks and calls to close us out. AA podcast listeners
Speaker 3: Zeb from Texas play.
Speaker 7: It, play in book. This is Zeb from Texas Love
Speaker 7: your show, listen to you every day since she took
Speaker 7: over for us. Ditto maybe hey, listen, I'm so disappointed
Speaker 7: in the Yellow Question producer Greg after he's led you
Speaker 7: right so many times. Minus Tirith is the capital city
Speaker 7: have gone door after ausc Eliath was destroyed by the
Speaker 7: Orcs and the Battle of Saaron, Trust your man.
Speaker 1: I just this is the nerdiest thing that has ever
Speaker 1: been said on the show, which is I just love
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: We have listeners who clearly clearly have a twelve gage
Speaker 3: across the backseat of the car, have a stetson on
Speaker 3: and cowboy boots, and they're lecturing us about Minas tirith
Speaker 3: as this of gon As the capital of Gondor after Osilius,
Speaker 3: of course, was destroyed by the Orcs and the Battle
Speaker 3: of Sauron. That is that is our that is our
Speaker 3: Texas audience rolling around in a pickup ready for any
Speaker 3: hovelinas they have to take out.
Speaker 2: But you get Lord of the Rings wrong and they're
Speaker 2: dropping knowledge on you.
Speaker 1: The correction yesterday that I read is the nerdiest thing
Speaker 1: that's ever been said on the show. That talkback in
Speaker 1: Buck's analysis of it is the second nerdiest thing that's
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