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Speaker 1: picture question. You have one comp pick tomorrow, you're actually

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Speaker 1: slated to get a good one for landing next year.

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Speaker 1: How much is that factor into this your overall decision?

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Speaker 1: Can the compact like the value of those excuse me, well,

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Speaker 1: I scratch, I apologize. Okay, how does it try it again?

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Speaker 1: Just how valuable are they and how much do they

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Speaker 1: factor into just overall this they've become even more valuable

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Speaker 1: because you can trade them, okay, So that that's that's

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Speaker 1: where they are valuable. But you think about it all

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Speaker 1: the time. You have to look at is picks are capital. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So everybody starts with seven dollars, all right, this year

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Speaker 1: we started with twelve bucks, all right, So that's the

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Speaker 1: way you have to look at it. It's capital. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the lower the the pics, the less cap you know,

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Speaker 1: the less they're worth, so to speak, in terms of

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Speaker 1: moving up. But you know that at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, you're much better off having more than less.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you turn around and you look at

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Speaker 1: you know, my first year in Carolina, we five picks,

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Speaker 1: and it's you know, last year the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's you you sit there and you it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're throwing things in the air, and and you know,

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Speaker 1: as as a new GM going into both places, I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to steal from the next year. Now there's

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Speaker 1: some gms that will do that. You know, they feel

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Speaker 1: like they're up against it. They maybe they've got you know,

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Speaker 1: they've got a quarterback that you know, they and they're

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Speaker 1: willing to continually trade next year's set first for this

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Speaker 1: year's first. But again that depends upon the situation you're in.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember Bobby Bethu who

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Speaker 1: just went in the Hall of Fame, used to do

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Speaker 1: it all the time. He would trade next you know

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Speaker 1: next year's one, to get a one this year and

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Speaker 1: it can just continue. Um. But you know, you can

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Speaker 1: never have too many picks, and it's it's as long

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Speaker 1: as you you know, and you just gotta be prudent

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Speaker 1: to how you use