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Speaker 1: The crisis of the southern border is getting worse every day,

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Speaker 1: and the American people know it. The Biden administration knows it,

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Speaker 1: but they're not doing anything about it. This is the

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Speaker 1: Truth with Lisa Booth. Yea welcome back to the Truth

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Speaker 1: with Lisa Booth as the Biden administration and his team

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Speaker 1: continues to be solely responsible for the border crisis that

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Speaker 1: just a border crisis coming from Central American countries or Mexico,

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Speaker 1: it's now a global immigration crisis because the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: essentially what is happening here in the United States. No

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Speaker 1: the legal way for trying to come over here actually

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Speaker 1: take the right steps, but just expediting legal immigrants to

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Speaker 1: try to cut the line. Uh. And even worse, now,

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Speaker 1: Democrats are trying to pass probably the largest embassy bill

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Speaker 1: ever in American history through the reconciliation process, which means

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Speaker 1: that it's going to be done without a single Republican

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Speaker 1: vote on a party line basis. How's that for abuse

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Speaker 1: of power? So, as you can see, I'm pretty fired

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Speaker 1: up about all of this. I think the border crisis

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Speaker 1: much taxpayer money in it to try to resuscitate the

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Speaker 1: damage that they did. So Americans are suffering, yet we

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Speaker 1: on today's episode Mark Crecarion, who has served as the

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Speaker 1: Mark no so much. He's a wealth of information. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to get in to all of this today.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go through the nuts and bolts of

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Speaker 1: the crisis, how it started, things that need to be addressed,

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Speaker 1: and then also what to expect in the future. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's going to be super interesting and I hope you

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Speaker 1: it's my pleasure to welcome Mark Crecarian, executive director of

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Speaker 1: this today. Mark, thanks so much for coming on The

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Speaker 1: Truth with Lisa Booth. Sure happy to be here. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for inviting me some work. I'm sure you're looking at

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Speaker 1: for asylum, show up with your luggage on Tuesday. You know,

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Speaker 1: nobody does that, and then some small share actually do

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Speaker 1: get asylum. So basically, it's a no lose situation for

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Speaker 1: you to say, I, you know, fear returned to my

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Speaker 1: home country. Uh, And the bar is very low. As

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Speaker 1: long as you've got some vaguely plausible story, you will

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Speaker 1: be let go into the West Man that kind asylum,

435
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: you probably won't, but you will get let go. And

436
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: that's the main point, which is why President Trump's remained

437
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: in Mexico policy, as you're pointing out earlier, was so

438
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: genius because it sort of was a natural filtration process

439
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: for people who actually really did have incredible fear, really

440
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: actually did need asylum because obviously deterred people who were

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00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: just coming owner here under false pretenses because they didn't

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Speaker 1: want to remain in Mexico, they wanted to get entry

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Speaker 1: into the United States. So for that credible uh fear,

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00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: what does that pertain? What is credible fear in the

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Speaker 1: eyes of our immigration officials? Like what what do people

446
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: need to say? What do they need to do to

447
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: reach that credible that credible fear? Because you'd think, you know,

448
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: all these people coming from all these terrible countries, it

449
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: would be pretty easy to meet that threshold. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: And because let's see, they don't have to present the

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Speaker 1: whole case about I qualify under the U. N. Refugee Treaty,

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00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. They just have to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I fear being returned home because there's a lot out

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Speaker 1: of because the government won't do anything about gangs or um,

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00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: you know, my boyfriend beat me up and I have

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00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: to flee, and under this administration, that's actually going to

457
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: become the grounds for asylum domestic violence, which is a

458
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: terrible thing, but that's not what asylum is about. So

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00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: it's very easy. I mean, it's and the smugglers. All

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00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: these people have smugglers, the smugglers, you know. And I'm

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00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: confident in my speculation in saying that they have American

462
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: immigration lawyers on their payrolls or at least consulting arrangements.

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Speaker 1: Know what to say? What are the magic words? You say?

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00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: I fear return Uh you know, I um, you know,

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Speaker 1: wasn't you You can come up with anything. Well, you know,

466
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: I didn't like the way my town was being run,

467
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: and uh, the you know, the gangs, came after me. Okay,

468
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: Jack Bingo, You're okay, or you make up something else.

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00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's more elaborate stories too. Um. You know

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a Catholic from China and UM, you

471
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: know they're gonna and they were I was being persecuted. Uh.

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00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: You know in an asylum hearing, they'll actually investigate more.

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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well you know what are who are

474
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Speaker 1: the four evangelists? You know what I mean? You know

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00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: there's some basic information like that tell us something. Um

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Speaker 1: for a credible here, credible fear hearing, that's not a hearing,

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Speaker 1: incredible fear interview. Uh, there's nothing. There's nothing like that level.

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00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: It's basically, you know, when in doubt, take their word

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Speaker 1: for it. So what benefit does any of this have

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Speaker 1: for American citizens? Zero? Um. The whole asylum process is

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Speaker 1: something we are locked into by United Nations treaties that

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Speaker 1: we signed. Um. Stupidly, I wrote a piece recently calling

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Speaker 1: for the withdrawal from the U the main UN refugee treaty.

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00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: It was the seventie anniversary of the signing of the

485
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Speaker 1: treaty just recently, and UM, Harry Truman, to his credit

486
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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty one, refused to sign the U N Treaty,

487
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Speaker 1: which at the time applied only to European refugees from

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Speaker 1: World War Two and the Cold you know, the Soviet invasion. Um.

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Speaker 1: And he said, look, we take refugees, but we're not

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Speaker 1: going to limit our sovereignty by signing this UN treaty.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that the Lynnon Johnson administration and signed

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Speaker 1: the sequel to the treaty, which applied it to the

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Speaker 1: whole world. And so we are now we're bound by

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Speaker 1: this UN Refugee Treaty, and the Senate confirmed it. And

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00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, at the time, remember this is so it

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00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: was is actually kind of seen as a Cold War

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Speaker 1: measure because who was applying for asylum in almost nobody

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Speaker 1: was a Soviet ballerina, that kind of snake handful of people,

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00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: um in any given year. Well, the Cold War is over.

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Speaker 1: The world has completely changed. Uh. Not to mention that

501
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: transportation and communications is now dirt cheap. I mean, when

502
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: I was a kid, we put on our Sunday clothes

503
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: to get on an airplane. Now it's just a flying bus.

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00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: You've got people from you know, Senegal hopping on the

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Speaker 1: plane and flying to Brazil regular people. Um, So what

506
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: that's done is turned this seventy year old institution of asylum,

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00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: which handled you know, maybe a couple of thousand people

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Speaker 1: a year maybe into this nation breaking phenomenon that is,

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00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: forces US and Europeans too to take in literally hundreds

510
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: of thousands, if not millions of people, whether we like

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Speaker 1: it or not. It renders our entire legal immigration structure,

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Speaker 1: with all of the numerical caps and the requirements for

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Speaker 1: different categories. It renders the whole ng moot because you know,

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00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: some people will still use it obviously, but you know,

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Speaker 1: if you don't qualify, I just come across the border

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Speaker 1: and say that you you know, you fear whatever country

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Speaker 1: you're coming from. And frankly, most of the countries that

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00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: then immigrants are in one way or another kind of

519
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: screwed up, because otherwise why would anybody leave. I mean,

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00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: nobody's coming here and claiming asylum from Norway or Japan.

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00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: Those are countries that work, that prosperous, functional places. The

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00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: kinds of places immigrants come from are by definition screwed up.

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Speaker 1: And so there's all kinds of opportunities to make an

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Speaker 1: asylum claim. And we are bound by treaty to deal

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Speaker 1: with it. Well, so, I mean the first step to

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Speaker 1: fit to fixing this, we have to change our own

527
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: laws too. But the first step is to get out

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00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: of these treaties so that we can now set asylum

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Speaker 1: policy in the national interest based on it's good for Americans,

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Speaker 1: as your question suggested, rather than based on what some

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Speaker 1: UN bureaucrat seventy years ago decided our immigration policy should be.

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Speaker 1: And then what would that take to exit the treaty? Nothing?

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Speaker 1: And President just has to send a letter to the

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Speaker 1: u N. All treaties have escape hatches and by definition,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, yeah, and why didn't Trump do that?

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Speaker 1: Good question? I mentioned it, Yeah, I mentioned it behind

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00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: the scenes. I didn't write anything at the time, but

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00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: I did, you know, talk about people. You know, we

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00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: talked to talk about it. Two people with the President's here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't like an intern at the White House.

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Speaker 1: It was higher up. You would recognize who I talked to.

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00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Um And I don't know, it never got to him

543
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: or there were other things to deal with, or you know,

544
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: Jared Kushner thought it was a bad idea and vetoed it.

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00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I mean, that's all. But the

546
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: point is it didn't happen. It needs to happen. And

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Speaker 1: this is something you know, I would hope would be

548
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: a topic of you know, the next Republican presidential campaign

549
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: where we talk about, you know what, getting rid of

550
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Speaker 1: these anachronistic Cold War era policies, and you know, moved

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00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: to adopt an asylum policy. And we'd still have asylum

552
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Speaker 1: in some form or another, but we need to decide

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Speaker 1: what shape it takes and how we run it, not

554
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: handcuff ourselves to something from seventy years ago. So why

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00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: does the Biden administration allow this to happen? I may

556
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: have seen pulling over the years where Americans actually support

557
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: enforcement at the border. Democrats used to be for enforcement

558
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: at the border. It's not an unpopular issue. It's costing taxpayers.

559
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Speaker 1: We're having people released in the country that we do

560
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: not know who they are, potentially criminals, potentially all these

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Speaker 1: other things. Why is he allowing this to happen? Um?

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: The first explanation A lot of people give and Tucker

563
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Carlson talks about this at some length as importing voters,

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Speaker 1: you know, their future voters, and there's something to that. Frankly,

565
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, immigration does in fact move the political center

566
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: of gravity to the left. That's true here, that's true

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00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: in Europe um. But that's a longer range issue, and

568
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: even the issue of you know, money, is it though?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Though? Because I've seen the argument from I

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Speaker 1: think I can't remember the publication because I'm thinking out

571
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Speaker 1: the time. It might have been The Atlantic or something.

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00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: There's an article recently about how illegal immigrants should be

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Speaker 1: able to vote. I mean, why would that be a

574
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Speaker 1: long range thing versus near term, you know, because I

575
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: mean they could make those changes, and I mean I

576
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: think even the HR one or whatever, I think didn't

577
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: really didn't really vet for illegal immigrants voting. Yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: it could happen. I'm not saying it's it's not, but

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Speaker 1: in fact I'm saying, I mean, there's no question that

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00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: there's a political payoff the immigration. My point is that

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00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the first thing that motivates the

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Speaker 1: folks in the Biden administration, who are you know, running

583
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: immigration policy? And what I mean by that is, actually

584
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: it's worse than just pure political calculation or even money.

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00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: The left increasingly, and this is also true of the

586
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: libertarians and the corporate people on the right do not

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00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: accept the legitimacy of America's borders. They reject the idea

588
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: that we are allowed to keep people out, and so

589
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: any immigration enforcement is like a concession to a grudging

590
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: concession to political reality. They can't just open the borders

591
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: to anybody because they'll be wiped out at the polls.

592
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: So they do everything they can to have open ish

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Speaker 1: borders where they kind of go through some of the

594
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: motions of enforcing the border, and you know, in some

595
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: place they do it better than others, but it's all

596
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: grudging and sort of a uh an unpleasant political necessity,

597
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: not something they actually believe in. And obviously border patrol

598
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: guys that does not that's not It's not those people,

599
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: they're doing their jobs. I'm talking about policymakers at the top,

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00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, folks in the squad, the leftist squad in

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Speaker 1: in Congress, and even people like Nancy Pelosi and others

602
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: and others, even the more establishment Democrats have moved to

603
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: that position of rejecting America's borders as meaning anything other

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Speaker 1: than just a kind of jurisdictional line in other words,

605
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: like a county line. Is the way these people see

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00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: the border where you know, one side is responsible for

607
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: fixing the pop holes over there, and you're responsible for

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00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: fixing the thought pot holes on your side of the border.

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00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: But that's all it means, instead of actually delineating, you know,

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00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: of one nation from another and uh, you know, the

611
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: citizens of one nation and the responsibilities and rights you have.

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00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: They don't believe that. They just don't believe it. And

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00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: that's actually a much more dangerous thing than a cynical

614
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: use of immigration for political purposes. I'd almost welcome the

615
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: you know, cynical folks, because you know, there's a way

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00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: you can reason with that. Um it's almost my analogy.

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00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of like to um, uh, what's his name?

618
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: Who is the artist with the soup cans? Andy Warhol?

619
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: You know people Andy Warhol? You know he. I kind

620
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: of respect the guy because it was he He knew

621
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: it was all bs. In other words, it was just

622
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: a scam for him. It's like, wow, paint soup can

623
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: and maybe they'll pay for that. That I kind of respect,

624
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: as opposed to some artists who actually believes his own

625
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: press releases high on his own supply. The people running

626
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: the left and increasingly the mainstream of the Democratic Party

627
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: has become so radicalized that they actually believe that the

628
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: American people are morally barred from keeping anyone out of

629
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Speaker 1: the United States who wants to move here. That's a

630
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: serious problem going forward. Well, because you know, obviously, if

631
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: you don't if you don't have borders, if you don't

632
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: enforce your borders, you don't have a country. I mean,

633
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: what you don't have borderless countries like that means you're

634
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: not a country, right, like you're not a sovereign nation.

635
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: I do. It's it's insane though, But but why why

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Speaker 1: do you think what happened over the past year, with

637
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: the statues and all that kind of stuff all being

638
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: burned down, they're okay with not having a nation? No,

639
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like they're doing everything they can

640
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Speaker 1: to burn it to the ground, and they're doing a

641
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: very good job of it, unfortunately, which is terrifying. You know,

642
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: I feel like we're sort of one election cycle away

643
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: from a country that never resembles what we once knew

644
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: America to be. But but what's so interesting to me

645
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: is I'm trying to get to the bottom of why

646
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: this sentiment change, because even going back to two thousand six,

647
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: you had the Secure Fence Act, you had then Senator

648
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: Obama voting for it. You had Joe Biden, Diane fine Stein,

649
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: Harry Reid, you know, a whole bunch of Democrats. Then

650
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: you go back to you know, Obama wrote and his

651
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Audacity of Hope book talking about how low skilled workers

652
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: depressed the wages a blue collar Americans. Uh, and then

653
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: also put strains on an already overburdened safety nets. So

654
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: it's like, why did that, Like, how did that sentiment

655
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: change from just two thousand six when Democrats wanted a

656
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: border when they saw that it depresses wages for blue

657
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: collar workers? Like, why did that change? It's a good question.

658
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the you know, the radicalization of the Democratic

659
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Party on immigration is one of the major political developments. Uh.

660
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: And you know it was even you know, I mean

661
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties it was even more. I mean,

662
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: other words, the contrast between now and the mid nineties

663
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: is even greater. I mean, Bill Clinton give a whole

664
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Speaker 1: State of the Union speech, or the whole part of

665
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: a State of the Union speech that Trump could have

666
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: delivered on a need to control illegal immigration, all the

667
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: rest of it, um and borders absolutely, And it's not

668
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: just Trump, but because this was this was happening before Trump,

669
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: but I think Trump supercharged it, or the reaction to Trump.

670
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: In other words, Trump himself was a reaction to this

671
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: disconnect between our political elites and the public, and his election,

672
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: you know, supercharged that disconnect. So, um, you know what's immigration?

673
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: I think it's not a proxy, but it's like one

674
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: of the important parts of of patriotism, of nationalism, of

675
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: believing that you have to control who comes into your country.

676
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: You may want a lot of immigrant, you may want

677
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: few of remigrants, but but the the principle that the

678
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: American people are the ones who get to decide whether

679
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: there's high immigration or low immigration is one that is

680
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: central to a kind of to pro patriotic view of

681
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: the world. Whatever you think about immigration, or taxes, or

682
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: abortion or anything else, do you believe in America? Do

683
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: you see yourselves as having a special obligation to your

684
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: fellow citizens solidarity with them or not? And as that

685
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: sense of American nous has attenuated among especially our elites,

686
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: who have become increasingly post American, Uh, there's no reason

687
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: to have tight immigration policy anymore, because if you're a

688
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: post American. If you're a citizen of the world, why

689
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: would you what, how could you justify immigration controls of

690
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: any kind? And so I think that's what it is.

691
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: It's this and why that's happened. I don't know why.

692
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a bigger question. Why has so much

693
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: of the elites, both in this country and in Europe

694
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: become post patriotic. I don't know. I think it's a

695
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: decline of religion is part of it. There's a whole

696
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: bunch of reasons for it. But decline a community probably

697
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: to more inward field. Yeah, and immigration is one of

698
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: the places where you see it bear policy fruit the

699
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: quickest of the sot. No, that's such an interesting and

700
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: really smart and thoughtful point, and too, I mean your

701
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: point about President Trump. I mean Democrat President Trump could

702
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: have come out and be like, I am anti lighting

703
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: myself on fire, and then Democrats would be like, you

704
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: know what, we're going out, We're lighting ourselves on fire

705
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, that's how insane they are. Like

706
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: anything President Trump was for they had to be against. Yeah,

707
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm anti jumping off a cliff, so you know, uh, kid,

708
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: I can kind of know. But so, how many illegal

709
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: immigrants are living in the United States right now. Nobody

710
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: really knows, but there is a um temptation on the

711
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: part of immigration skeptics, people who want the law enforced

712
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: type borders to make the number be as big as possible. Uh.

713
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Speaker 1: And I just don't think that these estimates of twenty

714
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: or thirty million illegal immigrants are correct. UM. The Center

715
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: for Migration Studies, which is a nothing to do with US,

716
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: were the Center for Immigration Studies. They're a Catholic church

717
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: funded UM high immigration think tank. But a lot of

718
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: their work, especially their statistical stuff, is honest and their

719
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: estimate and we know the guy who does the research

720
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: over there. They just released an estimate which was from

721
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: before all of this uh border disaster really got bad,

722
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: of ten point three million illegals. I mean, it's at

723
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: least a million more now, UM. And it could be

724
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: they could be off, they could be asked. It could

725
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: be maybe it's twelve million, maybe it's thirteen even, but

726
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: it can't be twenty And the reason for that is

727
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: if it were dramatically bigger than the ten to twelve

728
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: million we think it is, you would see the results

729
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: in the death records, the birth records, the school enrollment records,

730
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: the grocery store statistics. In other words, you can't misplace

731
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: ten million people and not see the effect in all

732
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: kinds of other areas, you see what I mean? So

733
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Speaker 1: that while the estimates may be lower than they really are.

734
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Speaker 1: In other words, it could be thirteen million, I I

735
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule that out. I

736
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's possible for it to be you know,

737
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Speaker 1: twenty two million, which is one estimate, or you know,

738
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: higher than that. It just doesn't mean, you know, maybe

739
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm wrong, but it just doesn't seem plausible.

740
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: And really, in a political sense, what difference does it make?

741
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: Aren't aren't twelve million eleven million illegal aliens and us?

742
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, how many more do we need to make

743
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: a peer real problem? Um? So, anyway, that's kind of

744
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: my long way of answering that what's the economic impact

745
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: of all the because you see, you know, Democrats try

746
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: to make the case that it's in net financial benefit,

747
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: but what's the reality immigration overall, not even just the

748
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: illegal immigration, but immigration makes the economy bigger overall, There's

749
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: no question about that. Because more people have a bigger economy.

750
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Speaker 1: You know, Bangladesh has a bigger economy than Luxembourg, but

751
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: nobody would say Bangladesh is better off than Luxembourg. The

752
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: size of the economy is not really all that important

753
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: unless you're just looking for more, you know, cannon fodder

754
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: for some foreign war. The issue is our individual Americans

755
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: better off, and immigration both makes the economy bigger but

756
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: also harms, especially the least swell off among um among Americans.

757
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: The numbers from a few years ago. This was from

758
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: a book, actually no, this was from the National Academies

759
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: of Sciences that are report on this, and the numbers

760
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: have changed. Some of the basic ideas the same, And

761
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: what they said was that immigration uh creates efficiencies that

762
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: result in five hundred and fifty billion dollars in extra

763
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: wealth for people who own capital and own stock and

764
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: who are employers, but it reduces the income of people

765
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: who compete with immigrants by something like five hundred billion dollars,

766
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: so that when you subtract five hundred from five and fifty,

767
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: you get fifty billion dollar net benefit to the United

768
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: States economy overall. But there's several points to make about that.

769
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: Three points one, it's not very big. I mean, I

770
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: wish I had fifty billion dollars, but our economy is,

771
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of times bigger than that. It doesn't add,

772
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't amount to very much. That's number one. Number two,

773
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: as I explained in that brief math Sorry didn't you know,

774
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: I didn't say. I didn't warn you that there would

775
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: be math um it. The benefit comes from impoverishing, from

776
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: lowering the income of blue collar workers who are already here,

777
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: some of them even immigrants. In other words, it comes

778
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: from lowering the wages of working people so that the

779
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: people who own capital enjoy greater efficiencies. And so it's

780
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Speaker 1: kind of a reverse robin Hood phenomenon of impoverishing the

781
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: poor in order to make everybody else tinied bit better off.

782
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: So that that's a moral question, do you think it's

783
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: right to impoverish the poor to create a small economic

784
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: net economic benefit. And then the third reason that this

785
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: is not you know, what it's cracked up to be

786
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: is that even that relatively modest net economic benefit, that

787
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: fifty billion extra, the surplus that we get to keep,

788
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: all of it is wiped out by extra social spending,

789
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: extra welfare, and similar costs because immigrants earn so little money.

790
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: Even though they work, they can't feed their own children,

791
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: so taxpayers have to support them. So that's a long

792
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: way of saying there's a small economic benefit. Well the

793
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: long does let me step back. It immigration makes the

794
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: economy bigger overall. It does create a small benefit when

795
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: you do them as for the whole country, but that

796
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: benefit comes economically, but that benefit comes out of the

797
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: hive of poor people and is totally wiped out by

798
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: the extra taxes middle class people have to pay to

799
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: provide social services. Well, and the irony is Obama literally

800
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: made this point in his book The Audacity of Hope.

801
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean it quite literally reads that if this huge

802
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: influx of mostly low skilled workers provide some benefit to

803
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: the economy as a whole, it also threatens to depress

804
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 1: further the wages of blue collar Americans, and it puts

805
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: strains on an or already overburdened safety net, which is

806
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: quite literally the case that you just made is one

807
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: that Democrats also used to believe, including or former President

808
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: the United States. But this is also why you see

809
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: these big corporations that support you know, immigration, illegal immigration

810
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: to more or less because it provides them cheap labor. YEP.

811
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Speaker 1: Cheap labor. I mean, basically the the old thing used

812
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: to be imigration is provides cheap labor for the right

813
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: and cheap votes for the left. And there's something to that.

814
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it's simplified, it's simplistic, but

815
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: it's also true. Um. But like I said, I think

816
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: there's an underlying ideological view that American borders and everybody's

817
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: borders are pass and that's something that you see both

818
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: at the top levels of the left and the right,

819
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, business lobbyist, corporate lobbyists. I mean, like you know,

820
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: Google and the rest of these guys. They don't see

821
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Speaker 1: themselves as American companies anymore. Um and uh. And then

822
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: obviously you have the left that frankly was never all

823
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: that wild about America to begin with, and now they're

824
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: actively hostile to it. So immigration is maybe another way

825
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: to put it is it's a way to make America

826
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Speaker 1: less American. And if you don't like America particularly, you

827
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Speaker 1: want to make it less American. Quick break, folks back

828
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Speaker 1: on the other side, how pick of a problem or

829
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: visa overstays pretty big. Um. Immigration. Illegal immigration can happen

830
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: in two ways. One is the one we talk about

831
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: all the time. If and probably too much is border jumpers,

832
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: people who infiltrate across the border. And that's important, and

833
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: that's you know, something like half the illegal immigrants somebody

834
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: really knows for sure of illegal aliens are border infiltrators.

835
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Speaker 1: But the other half, roughly is what you talked about.

836
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Speaker 1: Visa overstairs. People we let in legally, usually on a

837
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Speaker 1: tourist visa or maybe a student visa. There's a whole

838
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: alphabet soup of visas. They've almost run out of letters, um.

839
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Speaker 1: But who just doesn't leave. They don't leave when their

840
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: time is up. In other words, if they're a tourist

841
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: and they're given a six month automatic stay because they're

842
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: coming to stay, you know, visit relatives, um, and then

843
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: they just stay, They just get a job and then

844
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: never leave. Those are called visa overstays, and that's something

845
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: like half. You know, nobody's sure. It's probably maybe before

846
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: all of this border surge happened, visa overstays may have

847
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: accounted for something like sixty of new illegal aliens. It's

848
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: probably down you know, to si border jumpers. Visa overstays

849
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: now because of what's going on at the border, but

850
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: it's a big part of the problem. And that's why

851
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: you really can't talk about having fixed the border issue,

852
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: the illegal immigration issue. Even if we had a border

853
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: wall the whole length of the Mexican border and it

854
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: had machine guns and barbed wires and moats with alligators,

855
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: half the new illegal immigrants each year are just coming

856
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: in legally. We're giving them visas and they're not leaving.

857
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: And so that's why, for instance, one of the things

858
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: we need to have in place up and running before

859
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: we can even talk about having control over our borders

860
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: is what they call, uh well, I mean to put

861
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: it simply, a check in checkout system for foreign visitors.

862
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: Legal visitors. We checked them in at the airport or wherever,

863
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: a lot better than we used to or the land border. Um,

864
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: even that's the harder problem. But we don't check people

865
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: out very well, so that if you don't know who

866
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: is left, then you don't know who's still here. And

867
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: until that's fixed, you know, we can't talk about, say,

868
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: amnestying illegal immigrants who you know, have been here for

869
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: a long time and they're established. I mean, I'm actually

870
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of a squish on at least talking about that,

871
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: but you can't even talk about it until you fixed

872
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: the problem that's creating all of this illegal immigration to

873
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: begin with. And part of that is an entry exit

874
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: system so that we know who the visa overstays are,

875
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: so that you know, if somebody was given six months,

876
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: you know when six months in two weeks happens because

877
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, people's flights get canceled whatever, seven months even

878
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: or whatever, that you know, they pop up in the computer.

879
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: These people haven't left yet, and then we do something

880
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: about it. Until that kind of situation happens, you know,

881
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: we can't even we cannot claim to have controlled illegal immigration. Well,

882
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: and I think what's so frustrating is you just laid

883
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: out a pretty easy solution. I mean, I am not

884
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: in Congress. I can think of easy loopholes that we

885
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: could close, like a two thousand eight anti human trafficking

886
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: law that treats an accompanied Central American miners different than

887
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: miners coming from Mexico, to things like the Floras Settlement,

888
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: which was at the basis of President Trump's zero separation policy.

889
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some pretty easy fixes here that

890
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Congress theoretically could do, but seems to be too incompetent

891
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: to handle. Yeah, I don't know if it's incompetence though,

892
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm no, I mean, I look, I mean

893
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: I yield to no one in my contempt for the

894
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: way Congress is run. But I don't know that that's incompetence.

895
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: I think that's a fundamental difference of opinion. The Democratic

896
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: leadership and most of the members in Congress do not

897
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: want to do what's necessary to control illegal immigration. They refuse,

898
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: they don't believe that we should do that. And so

899
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: this is why this needs to be of a broader

900
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: part of political and electoral debate because people it need.

901
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: The Republicans need to make clear what the issue is.

902
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: The Democrats succeed in, you know, in muddying the issue,

903
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: and Republicans some of them are in league with the

904
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: Democrats and others are just and look, I'm personally, I

905
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: mean the center is we have Democrats and Republicans working here. Personally,

906
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm a Republican, but I acknowledge that the Republican Party

907
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: is the stupid party. Um, and so we have not

908
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: done a good job of clarify sying what the issue

909
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: is and identifying what the other guys actually believe it.

910
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: Because if you say, well, you're for open boarders. Oh no,

911
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: we're not for open borders. We want to have a

912
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: border patrol. It's like, okay, what limit do you want

913
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: on immigration and what are you willing to do to

914
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: enforce that limit. Let's say you want five million immigrants

915
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: a year, which frankly some of these people do, instead

916
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: of one million, which is already too many, which is

917
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: what we take. Now, let's say you want to take

918
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: five million immigrants a year. Okay, what are you willing

919
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: to do about number five million and one. Let's say

920
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: he's not a criminal. He's a great guy. He you know,

921
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: goes to church every Sunday and he calls his mother

922
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: on the phone all the time. But if he's number

923
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: five million and one, are you willing to track him down,

924
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: arrest him and throw him out of the country? Yes

925
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: or no. If the answer is no, and the answer

926
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: is no on the part of all elected democratic officials

927
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: with only a handful of exceptions, then you are for

928
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: open borders. That's the kind of clarification that we need

929
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: if we're going to move forward and get the ability

930
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: to have a Congress that would pass the kinds of

931
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, really very common sense basic changes that you're talking. Well,

932
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: they think President Trump's sort of demonstrated that you can

933
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: be tough on the border and it's not going to

934
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: cost you Hispanic votes. He actually improved his margins in

935
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: the election with Hispanic voters, and improved his margins in

936
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: the majority of Hispanic counties across the country. I mean,

937
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: most Americans want borders, they want some level of enforcement.

938
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a you know, this is

939
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: not an insane concept, right. So I think President Trump

940
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: sort of paved the way that because I think Republicans

941
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: used to think that the only way you could win

942
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: Hispanic voters if you're like, oh, we need amnesty, just

943
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: open the borders, etcetera, etcetera, which some Republicans do believe.

944
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: And and President Trump showed that you can actually be

945
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: tough on the border, but while making America great for

946
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: everyone every race, right, Like, it doesn't have to It's

947
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: not just it's it's Hispanics, it's black, it's everyone. It's

948
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: about making the country better, better as a whole and

949
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: taking care of your own citizens of all races. Absolutely,

950
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: And you know, and and President Trump didn't demonstrate that.

951
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: The reason he was able to do that is because

952
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: he couldn't care less what the New York Time set

953
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: about him. Um and in fact, if anything, he wanted

954
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: the New York Times to say bad things about him.

955
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: That the problem is that there's too many there are

956
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: still too many Republican politicians who are you know, kind

957
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: of hoping that the media will be nice to them.

958
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: And this is one of the ways they think that.

959
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: They think that if they're not too strict on immigration,

960
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: or if they just talk about border things and just

961
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: leave everything else out, maybe that you know, the media

962
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: won't go for them. And this is why I'm so

963
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: encouraged by for instance, Governor to Santis in Florida, because

964
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: he couldn't care less what the media say. He does

965
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. He's actually pretty good on immigration.

966
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: And to add to that, he doesn't have President former

967
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: President Trump's you know, baggage and downside because you know,

968
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: if you're going to be the kind of guy who's

969
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: going to break through and attack the media, that also

970
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: comes with various other sharp edges and stuff, and um,

971
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, not going through all of what Presidents Trump's

972
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: downsides were, there were a lot of downsides. They were

973
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: in a sense almost part of they were kind of necessary.

974
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: Two his contempt for the elite views that he was

975
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: rejecting on immigration as well as other things. What I

976
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: hope for is that President Trump, having kicked the door

977
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: open on that issue, will encourage other politicians, like you said,

978
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: to understand that this isn't some kind of um poison

979
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: pill in reaching out to Democrats. If anything, it's you know,

980
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: it can help uh reaching out to other voters to

981
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: too much of the electorate that is skeptical of Republicans,

982
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: but will will resonate, will you know, appeal to a

983
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: pro American immigration policy that is, you know, different from

984
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: what we have now. So we'll see, you know, knock

985
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: on wood, um, you know, uh by Governor to Santa

986
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: seems to be the one who's taking up this standard. Now,

987
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: there's others who can and should as well in Congress

988
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: as well, and so you know, I'm hopeful in the

989
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: medium term that you know, in we may see some

990
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: good things happen on immigration. But I'm actually kind of

991
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: pessimistic between now and then that the current crop of

992
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: people in the White House and Congress are going to

993
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: do anything on immigration, or at least anything that's going

994
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: to help. If anything, they're gonna make it worse. Probably, Yeah,

995
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean I look at it basically, hopefully hopefully Republicans

996
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 1: can at least win the House in the mid terms,

997
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: and even if they're somewhat week, just at least bring

998
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: it to a sort of a lock a a standstill

999
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: until we hopefully get stalemate there you go. So we

1000
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: get a you know, a descantist type present to just

1001
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: mitigate the amount of harm, to sort of neuter the

1002
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: Biden administration to a certain degree for the last two

1003
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: years until we hopefully get like a descantist or something,

1004
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: depending on what you know, Trump ends up doing. But

1005
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: I also felt like what really frustrated me during a

1006
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: lot of the conversations with the previous administration is just

1007
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: how dishonest some of the coverage was. Like, for instance,

1008
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: the zero tolerance policy, I mean, the entire premise of that,

1009
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: and the entire reason was because of the floor settlement.

1010
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you literally have options, not many options, when

1011
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: you're dealing with parents who are with their children that

1012
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: come over here. I mean you either could put the

1013
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: older in in a or after you're detaining the parents,

1014
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: the government could either put the children in a shelter

1015
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: or release the entire family into the interior. You can

1016
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: only you can only contain the family for detained the

1017
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: family for twenty days because of the floor settlements. I mean,

1018
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of options. You either uh, you know,

1019
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: basically catch and release, or you separate the children from

1020
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: the parents. That's the only way you can do it

1021
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: because the floor settlement. Yeah, yeah, I know, absolutely, And

1022
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: that's I mean, and you know, I mean to the

1023
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: extent if there's fault for the some administration is that

1024
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: they didn't do a good enough job of even really

1025
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: attempting to make that case before they did before they

1026
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: ended up with the family separation policy. But no, you're right,

1027
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no really the alternatives are either family separation,

1028
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: keep the parents but in custody, but release the kids

1029
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: to you know, presumably their relatives in the US, or

1030
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: you let everybody go and let everybody go is what

1031
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: we're doing now. Uh, and that's not sustainable. I feel

1032
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: like if they did a better job of sort of

1033
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: more which I don't know if I did the most

1034
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: articulate job explaining that, but simply just because I'm tired today,

1035
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: But you know, as you just laid out much more

1036
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: articulately than I did. It's a pretty easy way to

1037
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: explain it. I think most Americans would understand that. So

1038
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: they might have been able to do a little better

1039
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: job on the messaging there. Uh. You know, so I

1040
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: want to talk about this before. We want to be

1041
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: conscientious of the time with you. But so Democrats right

1042
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: now are potentially trying to get amnesty done through the

1043
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: Reconciliation Bill. What do you think is going to be

1044
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: in there? Uh? And you know, what are your expectations

1045
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: for that? Yeah, I mean it would be on precedentic

1046
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: because what they're talking about is unquestionably the largest amnesty

1047
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: in American history. We don't know all of the scope

1048
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: of it, but it would It would definitely include not

1049
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: just the people with DOCA because it's only about seven

1050
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: thousan people, not quite that with DOCCA, but it would

1051
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: include all the people who could get DOCTA in the

1052
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: future or didn't apply for DOCTA before. So, I mean

1053
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: it's more like two million people that the DOCCA slash

1054
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: Dream amnesty would cover, and they want to amnesty something

1055
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: like three quarters of a million people with what is

1056
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: called hilariously temporary protected status UM, some of whom have

1057
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: been here for twenty years, and they want to amnesty

1058
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: what they call essential workers, which is frankly means whatever

1059
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: they can get away with. So you know, we're talking

1060
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: maybe five million on the conservative side of how big

1061
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: this could be, and potentially you know, almost all illegal

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Speaker 1: aliens ten million or something UM if they define that

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Speaker 1: more broadly. So you know, what they're talking about is

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Speaker 1: passing the biggest amnesty in American history with votes no

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Speaker 1: buy in from Republicans UM. And the only the plus

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Speaker 1: side though or not plus side, but the sort of

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Speaker 1: the glass half full side is this reconciliation budget reconciliation process,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, inside baseball for Senate rules has

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Speaker 1: to has to get the okay from the person called

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Speaker 1: the Senate Parliamentary at the person who's sort of the

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Speaker 1: judge about what Senate rules mean, how they're applied, and

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Speaker 1: the Senate Parliamentarian would have two okay adding or including

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Speaker 1: immigration into this budget reconciliation bill. There's no good case

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Speaker 1: to make for that based on the rules. It's it's

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Speaker 1: obviously pretextual to say that, well, you know, this has

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Speaker 1: an effect on the budget, so we should include it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he's going to include that. Well,

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Speaker 1: it would be hard to see how it would survive

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Speaker 1: of the bird role and survived the Senate parliamentary And

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Speaker 1: but I feel like we're in such a crazy place

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Speaker 1: as a society that like anything is possible these days.

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Speaker 1: But like, what would the justification be that it that

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Speaker 1: it that it deserves or warrants being it a reconciliation bill.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I mean, it's you know that

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Speaker 1: it has an effect on the budget, will you know

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Speaker 1: improve supposedly it will you know, have a positive effect

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Speaker 1: on the budget or something. And the thing is the

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Speaker 1: whole point to this as the bird rule, as you suggested,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to bore people with you know, procedural details,

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Speaker 1: but anything you add to this budget reconciliation process, and

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Speaker 1: the reason just to make sure everything we forgot to

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Speaker 1: mention this is that you don't need you can avoid

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Speaker 1: the filibuster, you can pass it with votes instead of

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Speaker 1: sixty votes. But it's supposed to have something you know,

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Speaker 1: directly related to the budget, and the budgetary impacts of

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Speaker 1: an immigration amnesty are incidental to the AMBASA. It's not

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Speaker 1: the point of it. The point of passing the amnesty

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Speaker 1: is not to affect the budget, even if it had

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Speaker 1: a positive effect, which it will not. But even if

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Speaker 1: it were, that's not the point of it. The point

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Speaker 1: of it is to give green cards to millions of

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Speaker 1: people who don't have them. So there's no good case

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Speaker 1: to make the one thing I do so much to

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Speaker 1: finish that thought. I think it's unlikely the Senate parliamentarian

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Speaker 1: will okay adding immigration to the reconciliation measure. Democrats are

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Speaker 1: gonna try. I think she will say no, sorry. But

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Speaker 1: the only concern I have is that as that decision

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Speaker 1: gets closer, I'm afraid that Democrats are going to appeal

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Speaker 1: to their auntie Antifa style strategy and they're going to

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Speaker 1: literally go after the parliamentarian's home and family. I would

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Speaker 1: not mean this. I'm appalled that I'm even saying that.

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Speaker 1: But after what we saw over the past year and

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Speaker 1: even before that with Kavanaugh, does anybody think that's unlikely

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Speaker 1: that they'll she lives somewhere in northern Virginia that they'll want.

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Speaker 1: They'll find out where she lives, you know, they they

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Speaker 1: can um she works for Congress, uh, and then go

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Speaker 1: send people to her house. I mean, it's that that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of mob rule that the Democrats seem to

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Speaker 1: think is justified. And that's the only thing that I

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Speaker 1: fear is that she will be literally physically intimidated into

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Speaker 1: okaying the inclusion of the amnesty into the reconciliation. I

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Speaker 1: hope that doesn't happen. I hope I'm wrong. I hope

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Speaker 1: them too paranoid. But nothing that happened over the past

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Speaker 1: year suggests that's too paranoid. Well, and it's not out

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Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility in the sense when we

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Speaker 1: saw Democrats literally support riots over the summer, We've seen

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris said that Jacob Blake, she was proud of him.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy who's actually assaulted a woman and

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Speaker 1: then showed up at her house and pulled, you know,

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Speaker 1: a knife on cops. She also supported bill fund for

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Speaker 1: rioters who tried to kill cops and you know, lit

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Speaker 1: cities on fire, etcetera, etcetera. You had Maxine Waters the

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Speaker 1: Derek shaw Evant trial go out in the streets and

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Speaker 1: basically told people to get activated and get out there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you know, more or less riot. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's these people are not above anything when it comes

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Speaker 1: to obtaining more power. And that's why it's so troubling

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Speaker 1: for Democrats. For the folks at home. What's so troubling

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Speaker 1: about this is you literally have a party by one

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Speaker 1: party rule trying to pass what Mark just said would

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Speaker 1: be the largest amnesty we've ever seen on a party

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Speaker 1: line basis in a reconciliation process, which which it should

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Speaker 1: have no place, and being they're completely abusing the rules,

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Speaker 1: which is also not surprising when they want to pack

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Speaker 1: the courts, when they want to federalize our elections, when

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Speaker 1: the list goes on, it's all about power at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, that's the they're the only motivating

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Speaker 1: factor they have is obtaining more and more power. It's disgusting,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm afraid of. That. So why, like I said,

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Speaker 1: there's no case you can make that amnesty should be

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Speaker 1: included in reconciliation. But you know, if people are threatening

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Speaker 1: to burn your house down, you know, Uh, she may cavee.

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Speaker 1: I don't know enough about her. A lot of people,

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Speaker 1: both Republicans and Democrats, have a lot of respect for Uh.

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Speaker 1: So you know, um, more power to her. But and

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Speaker 1: again I hate to even have this thought, but I

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Speaker 1: would not be telling her life insurance. What uh, what

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Speaker 1: else do you think we'll see from the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: on immigration? Um, they're going to be coming up with

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Speaker 1: a new asylum regulations, the point of which is to

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Speaker 1: try to expand the ability to get asylum dramatically so

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Speaker 1: that the people coming at the border instead of you know,

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Speaker 1: of them of people applying for asylum, get asylum. The

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Speaker 1: you know, five percent will be approved and the point

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Speaker 1: is approven quick rubber stamp um right there at the border,

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Speaker 1: and then the administration will say, see, it's all legal,

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Speaker 1: nothing illegal happening here. What are you complaining about? Um?

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Speaker 1: That's the That's a big thing that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be seeing there. And the rest of it is just

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Speaker 1: a continuation of, you know, the same thing where Ice

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Speaker 1: is not allowed to literally not allowed to do its job.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the administration is sort of abolishing Ice without

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Speaker 1: using that particular verbs by starving it of funding, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, reassigning people to the other things that Ice

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Speaker 1: does because remember the sea and ice is customs, so

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Speaker 1: that they are focusing on just the customs stuff, you know,

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Speaker 1: people importing endangered animals or whatever, that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: instead of the immigration stuff. And the other thing is

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Speaker 1: the head of and agency within Homeland Security called US

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Speaker 1: Citizenship and Immigration Services, which does the green cards, citizenship

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Speaker 1: part of immigration, the services part. The head of it

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Speaker 1: was confirmed a couple of weeks ago, and she had

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Speaker 1: some kind of statement on that. When you compare that

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Speaker 1: statement about making it easier for people to immigrate with

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Speaker 1: the statement of Trump's U s c i S Director

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Speaker 1: original one um Francis Sisna, his emphasis was on, you know,

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Speaker 1: fair and proper adjudication of the rules in the interests

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Speaker 1: of the American people, which is what immigration is supposed

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Speaker 1: to serve. Biden's U s c i S Director was

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Speaker 1: focusing on what's what the immigrants want, not what the

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Speaker 1: American people want. And that really does tell you the

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Speaker 1: way this issue, the way this administration approaches immigration, they

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Speaker 1: see immigrants as the customers to be served, not the

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Speaker 1: American people, which is really sad because so many Americans

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Speaker 1: are suffering as a result of the government and uh

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Speaker 1: city and state government shutting down their businesses and forcing

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Speaker 1: them to suffer. And now we're suffering inflation by trying

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Speaker 1: to inject so much taxpayer money to resuscitate the damage

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Speaker 1: that they did, not coronavirus, but their actions and their

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Speaker 1: decisions to go into lockdowns. So basically a lot of

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Speaker 1: this is a mess. Uh. You know, a Republicans speaking

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Speaker 1: up enough about some of these immigration issues we're facing,

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Speaker 1: do you think, No, not at all. I mean there

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Speaker 1: too many Republicans take the easy way out. They go

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Speaker 1: to the border and they say this is outrageous and

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Speaker 1: I'm appalled. And here's the email addressed to mailiss money.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, it's uh and so and

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Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, obviously what's going on the border

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Speaker 1: is terrible, but you know, it's part of a broader problem,

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Speaker 1: and too many Republicans kind of take the easy way out.

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Speaker 1: Well we need to all you know, it's it's the

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Speaker 1: President Trump's wall because Biden stopped construction. That's why all

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Speaker 1: this is happening. Well not really. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: even if we had a wall, some of this would

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Speaker 1: be happening anyway, because if the wall is on the

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Speaker 1: Rio Grand for instance, it's not in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the Rio Grand, which is the border. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's hundred ft two undred feet back. Uh. And once

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants get on dry land on our side of

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Speaker 1: the river there in the US, and the border patrol

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Speaker 1: literally has to go and take them through the fence

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Speaker 1: and bring them here to process them. So my only

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Speaker 1: point here is that there's a lot to this issue,

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Speaker 1: and democ Republicans too often just sort of repeat the

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Speaker 1: two or three applause lines without really addressing the rest

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Speaker 1: of the issue. And that's so. So the answer is no,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Republicans have done a good enough job

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Speaker 1: in laying out a po positive agenda about what you

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Speaker 1: give us power. Here are the ten things on immigration

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Speaker 1: we are going to do. Nobody's really doing that, not

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Speaker 1: on any you know, broad sense or individual congressmen and

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Speaker 1: others who have you know, done something like I mean,

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Speaker 1: Chiff Roy has some really specific ideas on what he

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Speaker 1: wants to do. The Republican Study Committee has concrete ideas,

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Speaker 1: but there is no immigration Republican immigration agenda. It seems

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Speaker 1: that the Republicans are basically decided that they want to

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Speaker 1: do is say and do as little as possible on immigration.

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Speaker 1: That will, you know, be enough to satisfy voters without

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Speaker 1: doing too much to tick off donors. And that's not

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Speaker 1: the route to success. I mean, I think we need

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Speaker 1: more leadership. Which is why someone like Rhonda Santis has

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Speaker 1: stood out so much and the Republican Party is because

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Speaker 1: he's one of the few actually leading on any issue

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Speaker 1: let go, let alone immigration, but pretty much anything. And

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Speaker 1: that's why you think it'd be a lesson for the

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Speaker 1: rest of Republicans. This is why Republicans are so drawn

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Speaker 1: to run to Santa's right now, is because he's being

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Speaker 1: a leader, which is what you're supposed to do if

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Speaker 1: you're an elected position theoretically, right, So that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the point you would think. I mean, you'd think

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Speaker 1: after Trump's Trump beat sixteen experienced long term Republican officeholders

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Speaker 1: and you know, the guy was a reality show star.

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Speaker 1: I mean that itself should have been a wake up call,

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Speaker 1: and for some people it was. But not enough and

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Speaker 1: certainly not enough of the leadership. Anything else you want

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Speaker 1: to say before we we let you've been very generous

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Speaker 1: with your time. Anything else I didn't get in that

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Speaker 1: you wish I had, or that you really want, uh

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Speaker 1: the audience to know. You want more information on this.

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Speaker 1: My organization Center for Immigration Studies is online at c

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Speaker 1: i S dot org. We have a blog with posts

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Speaker 1: almost every day and other research there. We have a

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Speaker 1: weekly podcast you can subscribe to in all the usual

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Speaker 1: podcast places. It's called Parsing Immigration Policy. Uh and um,

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Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter. If people have a taste for snark

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Speaker 1: and sarcasm. Um, it's Mark s as in Stephen Mark S.

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Speaker 1: Kricorian uh and um. You know you encourage you to

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Speaker 1: follow me, and I follow you because you're a wealth

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Speaker 1: of information, and so is the Center for Immigration Study.

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Speaker 1: So I highly recommend folks to go out and seek

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