WEBVTT - Three Crazy Dads (feat. Jill Gutowitz) 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.880 I worked at the cold Stone franchise that my parents owned, 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:13.800 cold Stone Neppo Baby. No, there's literally there's no. I 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.320 guess at the time, yes, I was an I can't 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.079 believe you were a cold Stone Nappo baby. That's so iconic. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.960 I can't believe that. It's like Christmas and what is it? 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.640 Five days now and I still am not in the 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:37.400 Christmas spirit in almost anyway. I don't mean to be 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:39.839 a scrooge. I don't need to be a grinch. It's 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.120 not that I'm actively hating it. It's really not that. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.600 It's like almost that I'm just completely apathetic about it. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.720 You're you're standing on the top of Mount Trumpet right now. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.120 I'm not. I'm not being a grinch. It's not that 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.400 I it's and it actually feels it's not like I 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.560 feel like a grinch in that I'm the one person 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.080 who's feeling this way. It seems like collectively a lot 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.360 of people are feeling this about this holiday season. I 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.759 don't know what it is. It's less of like a 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.160 violent overthrowing of Christmas and more of like I am 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.760 dissociating from this Christmas season for whatever reason. Well, it 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.000 also feels like the culture is not as obsessed with 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.000 Christmas this year, Like there haven't been any big Christmas 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:32.440 movies or memes. I haven't I haven't done my annual 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.840 um tweeting the Grinch poster where he's holding the ornament 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:41.279 and with the caption is he do you know? Which 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.200 I like, literally tweeted every year and without fail, every 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.840 year it goes viral. So we'll see if that happens again. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.920 What are your what are your Christmas plans? By the way, 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.800 well this is so funny. So Justin and I my 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.520 best friend, and I go home to my parents for 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.920 Christmas usually, but this year we are going a day 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.960 after Christmas because Justin and I have book tickets to 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:13.320 see Adele in Vegas on Christmas Eve or in Christmas 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.040 on Christmas Eve, because tickets are like four hundred and 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:23.000 fifty dollars cheaper spending Christmas with Adele's. I'm spending Christmas 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.359 Eve with Adele and I'm staying the night at Caesar's Palace. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.000 And apparently the Caesar's Palace buffet is incredible. I've been 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.760 told there are crab legs. I am worried about you 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.440 in a buffet because you do have a very sensitive tummy, 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.680 and I don't want you to get sick. I also have, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:43.240 you know, not that much restraint around unlimited around food. Yeah, 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:48.000 you really really really want I'm a garbage disposal in 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.840 that regard, but I would like especially be careful with 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.560 the shell fish, babe. Yeah, that's gonna that's gonna really 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.600 do a number on me. And they're after a daisy. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.639 I don't want to be like horny on Christmas Eve. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.720 Well you could find me. You can find some Christmas trade. Yeah, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:09.000 justin I sharing the show. You could cruise cruise at adel. Honestly, 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:14.200 it will probably be mostly faggots, like lonely faggots at 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.720 the Adele Christmas Eve show. Most mostly fagelis as we 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.560 say in Yiddish, and probably jew It and probably Jewish people, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.959 probably people that don't celebrate Christmas. What are you doing 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.720 for for for for the holidays? Um? So, my best 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.720 friend Ryan and I always go to his mom's in 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.840 Long Island for Christmas and we are going this year. Um. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.640 I think another like part of the reason why it 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.520 isn't feeling like Christmas this year is that every year 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.720 we do, you know, traditional Jewish Christmas, we go to 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.080 the movies on Christmas Day, and this year there really 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:54.480 isn't a big Christmas Day film release. I know, well, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.280 Matilda's coming out on closest day on Netflix, but it's 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.920 also on Netflix, so it's like kind of not the same. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.720 I mean, it's not like we even talked about not 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.520 going to the movies on Christmas Day because we've already 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.760 seen Avatar. Like I'm not going to go see The 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:13.920 Fableman's on Christmas Day or ever. Um So I think 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.479 we might just watch something at home, and like you know, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.320 we do dinner obviously, but and usually the night before 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.160 we go to friends of theirs for a Christmas Eve party. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.839 But I think it's going to be pretty low key Christmas. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.920 I also have not been doing a lot of gift 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.360 buying this year. Like Ryan asked me the other day, 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.839 when you've been Christmas shopping, have you been buying stuff 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.800 for yourself as well? And I told him, actually, it's 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.840 more that when I've been buying things for myselves, I'm 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:49.520 also trying to Christmas shop in addition to that. Um 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.760 but I think my rule this year is like in 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.479 almost except in a few cases, if I'm not seeing 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:01.800 you on Christmas. You're not getting a gift good to know, 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.440 good to know, except for except for you. You are 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.680 getting except for me obviously. Um. I was going to ask, Okay, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.719 I don't want to make you get into it, obviously 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.880 because there's so much to say. But you saw Avatar. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.600 Oh my god. I did see Avatar on Saturday, Virgins Virgins. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.039 We you were reading your survey results. We know that 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.240 you don't like spoilers or when we like review things 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.000 too early, So this isn't going to be a review 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.080 of Avatar. But I have to ask you, Rose, what 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.200 did you think? It was incredible? It was incredible, show stopping, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.320 never been done before, it was. I loved it. It 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.600 was so much fun, It was emotional, it was beautiful. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.800 It was everything I wanted and more. I think, like, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.240 we'll talk about it more in depth once you've seen it, 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.800 because you do plan to see it, right, Yeah, I will. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.960 I will eventually see it. Whenever I pulled pull together 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.640 the willpower to hold in my piss for three and 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.200 a half hours. Honestly, is it three it's three hours 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:01.200 and ten minutes. Um, I did go he midway through. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.920 I was not gonna you know, James Cameron has given 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.680 us his blessing. He said, you should go to the 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.840 to the bathroom during the movies if you have to, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.080 And there are many points during the movie where you 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.000 can just scurry off and piss for a minute or two. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.680 It's fine. Um, it's a lot of movie and like, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.640 you know, a lot of movie. I actually have thought before, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.560 like I think this would be a really good resource 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.760 to have, is if someone did like TikTok's where it 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:32.840 was like, here's the perfect part in ex popular movie 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.080 to go to the bathroom. Maybe I'll make that my 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.360 TikTok Niche like James Cameron actually should have prescribed like 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.320 there should be like a little ding ding ding on 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.480 the screen, and it should well because I saw it 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.320 in three D, although I didn't see it an I'm out, god, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:51.880 did you know it was? Oh? Actually wait? I did 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:56.040 barf the morning after because I went to movies. We 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.640 saw We saw Avatar eight We saw Avatar eight p m. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.280 And I didn't have dinner before and I got a 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.880 huge I got a huge buget of popcorn, a pepsi 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.640 and Twizzlers and I ate it all on an empty stomach. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.039 And when I woke up in the morning. I had 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.320 a hair appointment yesterday morning, and I woke up feeling nauseous, 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.440 and I was like, no, I had to go sit 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.360 in like a salon for for three hours, like I 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:21.240 can't be sick, And I like, the second I got 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.440 out of bed, I ran to the bathroom and puked 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.640 up popcorn, twistlers and PEPSI And then I had to 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.960 go to a salon and get my hair done for 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.040 three hours. Oh my god, I was asking that facetious. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.640 And then I had to go and then I had 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.960 to go to to tie his house and eat chili. 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.760 Well that sounds like a great post bomb meal, honestly, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:48.000 chili delicious. Yes, um, you're like sure? Um. I started 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.000 very weird. Maybe it's because we were texting, but I 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.760 started watching the original Avatar last night. I flicked it 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:58.320 on at nine fifty two pm, which was a terrible idea, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:07:59.680 I mean, but I watched the first third of it. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.560 I had forgotten the movie entirely. I've never I've only 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.360 seen it once in theaters when it came out. Forgot 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:11.720 it entirely. What crazy movie. And the lead, this guy, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.840 the lead of this movie, what a nobody he is? 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:19.000 What he is truly truly nothing, a nothing character, a 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:24.600 nothing role, a nothing actor. Like he adds nothing to 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.400 the movie. And it's so I don't think. I don't 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.480 think he adds nothing to the movie. But he's getting 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.000 to that. He certainly added nothing to the world, like 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.840 he is not. He was not really in any other 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.560 big movies. He was this year in Under the Banner 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.840 of Heaven, that X show with Andrew Garfield, and he 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:48.480 was also a spoiler alert, he was the villain. Um, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:54.040 oh that is a spoiler. He yeah, he's he's whatever. 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.800 But Avatar, the First Avatar is incredible, one of the 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.839 best movies ever made James Cameron and is a genius. Um. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:09.520 Speaking of James Cameron, I saw Titannique on Friday Night. Oh, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.760 I've heard amazing amazing things. Was it? Was it good? Yeah? 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.280 So for anyone who hasn't heard of it. Tight Tannique 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.440 is an off Broadway show that is basically Titanic the 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:26.440 movie as a Celine Dion jukebox musical, and Selene Dion 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:30.400 is a character. She is telling the story of Titanic 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.719 because in the world of this show, she was on 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:38.559 the Titanic. Um. So she is so she's telling the story. Um, 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.880 it's so fun. I have not had that much fun 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.200 at a show in in a long time. It was 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.000 we were hooton and holleran. Um, Frankie Grande's in it. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.960 He was, he was good. Frankie Grande's Frankie Grande's in it. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.920 He didn't even you know, he was very humble. He 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.200 did not have his own bow. He bowed with the 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.439 rest of the ensemble. Wow, that's beautiful. But it was 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:06.080 so fun. The actress who played Celine Dion was so amazing. Unfortunately, like, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.560 because I'm sure of licensing issues, they couldn't use the 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.559 big big hits like it's all coming back to me now, 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.880 wasn't in it? No way. They probably spent all their 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.360 money on getting My Heart will go on. Um, But 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.280 it's full of a lot of like fun pop culture references. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.480 Some of them are like a little bit too on 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.800 the nose, but it is very funny. It's a really 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:32.520 good time and if you're in New York um and 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:37.520 want just like a super fun, very gay theatrical experience, 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.920 I would absolutely recommend it. And tickets aren't that expensive. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.400 I think we paid like a hundred bucks. I I 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.880 mean like I love like a cheap Broadway show or 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.360 just a Broadway show that's like off Broadway, off Broadway, sorry, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.400 home grown, like really trying something really not like un serious, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.080 unafraid to take risks. Um. I know that like eight 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.400 Normal was revived like this this past week with all 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.000 this like it organizing and all these like you know, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.920 like Black Mafia celebrities that are sponsoring shows and stuff 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.760 and like between that between like a Noma and Titanic. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.360 I have like a slate of things now to and 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.800 I'm back in New York t technique. It is currently 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.040 the fifth night of Hanukkah. Happy Hanukah to all who celebrate, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.199 and um, we're celebrating today with the help of Jill Goodowitz, 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.040 who's here to talk about disobedience with us. Who better 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.240 to have than Jill honestly author of a Girls Can 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.280 Kiss Now and one of the most powerful lesbians on 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.920 the internet. We have to say she moves culture. She 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:39.160 influences me. Every day. Tis the season to light the menora, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.560 fry up some latcas and spit into your hasidic ex 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.840 girlfriend's mouth because this is like a virgin the show. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.400 Well give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm ros Damo 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:57.120 and I'm Fran Toronto and U hala hala, not that 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:13.440 I mean yes that Fran. I do want to kind 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.360 of let you in since you are you are the 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:23.400 virgin to Judaism today is that Hanica is like not 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.880 a very cool holiday. It's not even like one of 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.680 the major Jewish holidays, and it's sort of prevalence in 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.400 culture is like really like an American fabrication to like 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:41.000 create like an alt Christmas or like a you know, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.760 like a parallel for Christmas. But Monica is like a 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:49.360 pretty stupid holiday. Doesn't matter. I'm I'm much more of 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:55.680 a passover girl myself. Um. But one way that is 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.839 great to celebrate Hanaka is to watch Disobedience That to 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:05.800 dozen seventeen films starring the Rachel's, as they know, Rachel 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.400 Vice and Rachel mc adams. Jill. I wish you could 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.920 have seen us trying to think of, uh something like 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.960 we were trying to think of like holiday movies, and 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.640 then we were like, wait, Jewish holiday movies, like what 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.080 do we do? Like what do we do? We were 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:23.000 brainstorming for like you know, these upcoming episodes and the 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.520 way that I brought up Eight Crazy Nights multiple times, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.520 and I just like, I feel like I didn't hear it. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.480 It's like, yeah, speaking speaking of my mom last night 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.520 when she texted me, she was texting me photos and 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.880 video from our like family hanakka thing of my nephew 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.280 opening his gifts, and then she started sending me the 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.440 lyrics to eight Crazy Nights line by line, and I 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:55.080 kept saying stop, and I eventually had to put on 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.840 my do not disturb mode. Um. But for the virgins, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.880 if you haven't seen Disobedience, or if you just need 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:07.280 a little refresher, Disobedience is a two thousand and seventeen 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:17.360 film directed by directed Sebastian lelo Um. It's based on 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.280 a book by the same name, and it stars um 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:26.800 Rachel Weiss as a former Orthodox Sidic Jewish woman who 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:31.480 goes home to her like small insular Hathidic community after 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.000 her father, who is the community rabbi, dies and there 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:40.000 she reunites with her childhood best friend who has married 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:46.360 her childhood lesbian lover played by um Rachel mccadams of 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.600 The Notebook and Mean Girls, and they you know, rekindle 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:56.000 their love affair. Um Jill I knowing you. I know 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.680 this is a very important film to you. It really is, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.560 I mean it is. I think it is like the 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.160 maybe the one good lesbian movie done by a man, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.640 really the only one. I'm trying to think, like when 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.720 you think of other movies that have like tried to 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.200 come up against something like Disobedience, what comes to mind? 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.960 I mean, I like Carol, I do love I stand Carol, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.160 but I feel like, you know, like it wasn't made 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.800 only by a man. Um and like Imagine Me and You, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:30.800 I would say, is another movie that is like a 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.680 lesbian movie by a man that's actually kind of good. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.880 But the guy who wrote and directed Imagine Me and 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:42.320 You also directed Mamma Mia. So like it, so you 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:48.160 understand like culturally he gets it clearly? Is Mom and 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:53.080 Mia also love hanaka film in a way? Say more? Yes, Yeah, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.440 go ahead and elaborate on that road. I'm gonna try 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:56.800 to I'm gonna try to see if I can make 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:02.240 you one so three crazy dads. Well, okay, actually I 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.640 guess Mama Mia would be more of a Christmas film 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.320 because the three Dads would be the three Wise Men, 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:12.320 and Amanda Sayford would be Jesus would be like the 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:17.880 Virgin Birth because they never figure out who her dad is. Right, So, okay, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.720 Mamma Mia is not a Hottako film, but it is 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.920 a Christmas film and I will make you watch it 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:29.040 one day. Friend. Yeah, I die trying. I've watched like 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.840 probably parts of it on a plane. No. No, it 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.440 doesn't feel like it doesn't count. Also does not count 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.000 that you've only watched the share parts of Mamma Mia too. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.400 You bring it up every time we have this argument, 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.840 and I won't stand for it. I'm in shop right now, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.360 Like I know that that's like the point of the podcast, 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.680 but the fact that you haven't seen Mommy is honestly 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:52.840 shocking to me. I tried. We tried once at my house, right. No, No, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:54.840 we watched. Every time I've tried to get you to 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.840 watch it, you've said, no, we watched the first minutes. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.960 That's not true. That it's not that's not true, Ellen, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.280 I didn't say that. I would never I would never 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.520 say that. Um, this is this is literally true. Though 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.720 the virgins have to know that we have literally watched 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:16.080 the first they haven't got me, which is really appropriate 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.440 because um, we're talking about Hanakah, which is the festival 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.879 of lights. Fran, do you do Fran, do you know 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.360 the story of Hanukkah. I don't know the story of Hanukkah. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.399 I do know the story of you know, Hasidic Judaism, 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:37.720 because I lived in South Williamsburg for four years, five years, Jill, Jill, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.800 could you give us like a teal d r of 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:45.240 the story of Hanukkah? Honestly, I cannot. I'm like, okay, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.600 do we need it. I think it's you know, we 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.479 need it to understand that. I think it's you know, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.919 this is our Hanaka special. I think you know, we 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.280 should should talk about it. Um. So there were these 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:05.480 there were these gays called the Maccabee's, and they there's 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.720 something about a temple. The temple was destroyed or something 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.880 where they built a temple and they only had enough 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:17.960 oil um to fuck for one night. Um, because there 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.440 are a bunch of bottoms and and there was only 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:27.560 enough oil um for one night. But then through the 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.320 magic of Rachel, weis the oil lasted for eight nights. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.080 And that's how we have the story of Hanukah, which 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.200 when you say oil you mean lube, right, yes, I 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:42.480 mean and let me be clear, um, Disobedience has nothing 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.400 to do with hanukah Um. Really, the only Jewish holiday 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.639 that is depicted in it at all is Shabbat or 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:54.000 shabus Um as we as we call it. But um, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.639 I mean, Jill, like what what what about Disobedience do 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.000 you think is so vanta stick? Even though it was 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.199 directed by a man? I mean I genuinely think it's hot. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.080 Like I like not to get into like the like repression, 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.760 problematic lesbian repression of it all, but like it is hot, 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.040 and I do think that they have like good chemistry, 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:19.440 and I do like genuinely like the story. Um, so 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.400 basically the things that make a movie good in general. 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.760 But that's like it feels like a low bar. But 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.760 like when it comes to like lesbian movies, yeah, there 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.240 aren't that many good ones that fulfill that criteria. Yeah. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.320 But also not to get too far ahead, but it 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.640 unlike most sad lesbian movies. Well, I mean, first of all, 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.119 it's not a period film, which is great to see, um, 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:47.800 And it has us somewhat hopeful ending. Yeah, and it's 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.640 like like somewhat somewhat like Carol, Like it's not necessarily 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.760 a coppy ending, but it's a hopeful one. Yeah, totally. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.760 And it's like it's unique, you know, like I feel 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.840 like a lot of like the lesbian movies, like you said, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.119 like there's so many like pure pieces and whatever that 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.520 like make the movie unique, but also then kind of 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.200 not because there's so many, and I feel like this 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.800 is actually just like whether it was a like queer 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:14.080 movie or not, it is like a unique story. Um yeah, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.600 I feel like when you when we were when I 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.920 was watching this, I I was thinking kind of along 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.600 the same lines because I was like, Okay, this is 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.920 a movie that's like first and foremost about having brown hair, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.399 and and secondly it's as CB has pointed out, and 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.359 the chat about edging, like the sexual tension in this 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.560 film is so good. And I don't know if I 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.760 just like what because okay, I'm not gonna lie, Like 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.760 the first like you know, thirty forty minutes are like 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.560 a little boring before we get to like the hot stuff. 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.840 But like I don't know if I wasn't paying attention, 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:51.360 but like I did not see the Rachel's and their 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.359 first the first moment that they like kind of kiss. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.359 I was like I just remember being like what the fuck? 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:03.400 Because the tension between them was bubbling at such a 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.600 subtle simmer while the rest of the drama of the 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.880 film is happening around them that I was like focused 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.199 on the drama and not on like what was like 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.760 actually sparking. Um. So, I don't know. I think that 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:19.000 like the ways that they cannot satisfy each other, the 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.880 ways that they couldn't touch each other for so long, 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.960 was like a big part of why the lust in 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.720 this movie is like so satisfying. And like the spin scene, 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.200 obviously all the different things that like make this movie 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.320 really memorable are around, like the sex. Well, it's like 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.879 they can't they can't even acknowledge it. And and I 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.359 mean I don't think that the first forty minutes of 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.240 the film aren't boring. I actually think the tension is 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:46.480 so interesting, and I think you have to understand Ronete 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.640 rachel Weiss's character and how she's left and what it's 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.119 like for her to come back. And I think this 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:57.159 film is so good at showing rather than telling, like 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:02.120 so much as communicated without any one ever talking about it. 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.040 And those moments where the tension bubbles over, Like I 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.440 think about the scene where they're all having dinner and 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.199 she's like, I want to sell the house and they're like, 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.080 we'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.920 And it's such a Jewish thing. It is. The guilt 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:22.240 dripping from this film is like, I mean, this is 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:26.040 such a Jewish movie in addition to being such a 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.520 game movie. It really in addition to being an extremely 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.119 you know, burnette movie, which has to be said again, 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:37.320 and the British movie. And even though Rachel mccadam's British 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:42.120 accent is not great because there I guess I wasn't 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.320 focused on it. Did any of y'all Did either of 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.320 you read the book, the Disobedience book that it's based on, 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:53.200 so I was apparently they changed it a lot, and 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.239 I mean not surprising, but like the ending of the 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.920 book is like pretty sad not to jump right to 0:22:59.920 --> 0:23:03.920 the ending, but like they she basically decides to stay 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:07.120 in the community, and it's like she's like, I'm happier here, 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.000 this is my life, and you know, so be it. 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:16.919 I mean, unfortunately that's probably a more realisticalistic and um 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:21.080 because I I can't imagine what it's like to be 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.639 in that sort of like fundamentalist environment and break away 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:28.800 from it like obviously, like we see a person who's 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:34.119 done that in in Rachel Vice's character, um, and it 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:37.720 kind of seems like she escaped the absolute moment she could. 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:42.119 But I imagine like once you have lived like the 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.920 majority of your life and like not only your adolescents, 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:46.840 but like your adult life in a community like that, 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.959 it must be almost impossible to leave. It did make 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:57.480 me think of, um, my unorthors wait for Netflix reality 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.880 show for the Virgin's Jail. Can you break it down 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.720 that my unorthodox life? Oh my god, ken I I'm 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:09.040 like so. Julia Hart is a c e O who 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.080 got out of the Orthodox community and is now like 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.879 living in New York with in like a very like 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.760 bougie life, and her kids are kind of like some 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.080 of that. In the first season, some of them were 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.879 like out and like happy and like you know, to 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.639 be out and whatever. Some were like out but still 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:31.400 kind of like conservative. And one of her youngest child 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:33.760 is like still actually in the community living with her 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.640 X and like, uh kind of kind of like can't 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.119 get him out, like he is really starting to believe 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:40.680 in all of it, and like the same kind of 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.200 stuff we were just talking about. But one of the daughters. 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:51.639 Miriam is like an out bisexual, horny queen. Um we do, yeah, 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:54.440 we have you Rose. Have you started watching the second season? 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.120 I have not, and I know that a lot has 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:04.119 transpired because wasn't there like a whole scandal with her husband. Yes, 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.800 well I've only watched the first episode, so I haven't 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.080 really like gotten into it, but I know that, um, 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.199 you know, like bought Cheva, the other daughter, she's like 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.879 fully like she's gone full influencer. Her and her husband, 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:19.919 who was like a little bit more conservative, like have 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.960 broken up and she is just like out there living 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.720 her like Bravo girl life. Well she got the taste 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.639 of fame. So that makes a lot of sense. It 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:33.240 also makes sense, you know, not to get to like serious, 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.280 but it does, you know, makes sense that of all 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.520 of Julia's children, the one who is still like deeply 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:43.840 invested in the community is the boy. Because like it's 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:49.120 a culture that you know, um, women as lesser and 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.560 like literally like separates and segregates them. Yeah, the men's 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:58.200 day winning. Yes, as you know, as we see in Disobedience, like, um, 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.160 when they go to school, Um, you know, the men 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.520 and the women are kept separately. The women sit in 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.359 a different part of the synagogue. You know, women have 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.359 to wear wigs all the time and like be like 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.680 totally bundled up and like can only show their bodies 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.040 to their husbands and are like literally just there to 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:20.360 like roll their little like wheeled backpacks around and they three, 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:38.080 they're a little wheeled back. I think one of my 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.400 favorite moments in this movie, and I think the best 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:46.720 line is when Rachel Vice asked Rachel McAdams, do you 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.800 still only fancy women? And she gives for that sort 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.439 of like look like and because like looks from like 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.960 underhrise and like yes, and it's very It's it's very 0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:03.040 like thor thor going do you want to form a yes? 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:08.200 It is? Yeah. I love it. I honestly like watching 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.120 it made me want to read the book a little 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.520 more because apparently it's the book. The story is like 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.960 really autobiographical, like the author like went through this thing 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:21.280 and is Rachel weis Um And each chapter has like 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.040 a kind of like opening like kind of teaching or 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:29.280 like scripture specifically from Um you know, Judaism and like 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.440 or like from the Orthodox Church and and the way 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.560 that they created like alignments about like love was like 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.280 part of like how the story came together. But like 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.000 I I personally just think that like whenever I watched 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:46.280 things like this where um kind of cultish or like 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:50.600 weird religion, weird like religious like forces are the thing 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.000 you're up against. Like I honestly always get really invested 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.520 in the world, Like did you ever this is like 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.959 a stupid reference. Did you guys ever read the Poison? 0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:04.000 Would Bible the barbecan rose? You would love that? But 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:07.239 that one's more about like Baptist like missionary culture and 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:11.120 stuff like that, but like weird culti religious like kind 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.520 of things that like service backdrops for stories like this, 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:19.080 And I'm like always like immediately hooked. It is fascinating. 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:24.639 But I also just like I can't conceptualize of believing 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:31.320 in God like that. But I also that, Yeah, but 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.200 I also know that for a lot of people, like 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.439 even if they tell themselves, even if even if they 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.680 tell themselves, that's what it's about. Like it's not necessarily 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.520 really about that. It's like about community, it's about structure, 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.320 it's about tradition. I mean even like even as a 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.880 very reformed Jewish person, like my Judaism is so much 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.760 more like cultural than it is religious. And I think 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:59.520 for most people in my family, um, And like I 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.280 get that there is a comfort in that and in 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.040 safety and that. And you see a lot of these 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:08.520 socidic communities like they're so insular. You know, you have 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.200 a similar experience of Judaism, I really do. I mean, 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.120 like I when I was younger, like when I was 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:20.440 like a kid, my grandparents definitely were like more invested 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.280 than my parents were, and they didn't really like care 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.959 or like push us to like you know whatever. But 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.280 like we when my grandparents were like super around, we 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.040 went to Temple a lot. And I did like resent 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.840 it a lot, even from a young age, because there 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.360 was like just like the stuff, you know, like of 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.720 like my grandma being like you have to wear a 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.040 dress and like tights and like the pretty shoes and 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.800 like I just like there was just like some like 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.640 gender stuff going for me, like at a very early 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:50.440 age where I was like I don't like this, and 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:54.320 I associated all of that with Temple, you know, because 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.000 it was like I only had to dress up like 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.360 that when I went to Temple and I hated it. Um. 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.880 And I think that like I was never bought mitzvohed Um, 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.400 like I really came to like resent it. I also 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:09.840 was raised in like a really um Catholic high school, 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.120 like not like a Catholic school, but like everyone in 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.400 the school was Catholic or Christian. They were like I think, 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.000 like ten Jews in the school. And so I think 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.160 that like it made me always feel there's something about 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.640 Judaism that like in numerous ways made me feel isolated, 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:30.000 and none of it was actually Judaism's fault necessarily, um, 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.800 and I think that I like very much, uh you know, 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.200 trying to like leave it behind and only in the 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.400 last you know, i'd say, like five years, I feel 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:43.640 like I have like found a new like adult appreciation 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.440 for like cultural Judaism, and like I feel really like 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.960 strongly connected to other people who have had like similar 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.960 upbringings and are like from like you know, Jewish Brooklyn, 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.360 like anything that like feels like what it felt like 0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:58.840 when I was a kid. I'm now kind of like 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:03.400 picking and choosing the stuff that does feel good, you know, 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.080 and like I totally get what you mean about, like 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:11.160 especially about like the way that being Jewish like in 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:15.200 a predominantly Christian country, which is the one we live 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.400 in like is isolating, and so it does make me 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:22.400 understand why there are communities that like are so insular, 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:27.040 because they're like it's like almost a reaction to that. 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.120 UM And I also have kind of had the same 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:34.600 experience where like, I like I grew up I mean 0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:37.920 pretty like we didn't go to temple that often, but 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.640 like I did go to Hebrew School. My mom worked 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.760 at the at the temple I went to when I 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:44.920 was little. For a little bit, I did have a 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:50.480 bar mitzvah. The theme was Broadway obviously. UM. And when 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.240 I got older, you know, I like totally rejected it. 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.400 I like I have not been in its inside a 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.960 temple in a long time. I think probably since my 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.640 brother's wedding. I don't like I don't have a minora. 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.120 I didn't like the candles last night for Hankka. But 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:10.720 I like I do find comfort in, you know, the 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.800 rituals of it all, Like I do. I do still 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.720 like you know, like eating a lot because during Hanukkah, 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.800 or like getting like getting holla during Russia Shanna and 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.240 dipping it in honey. I can't do apples, sim allergic 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:27.000 to them. Um. I like being around the people I 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.120 love during the Jewish holidays. I do like the you know, 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.560 like the Passover story and like doing some kind of 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.680 like makeshift meal or in place of a satyr um. 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.520 And you're totally right. It's like there is a lot 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:44.640 of comfort in people who have had the same kind 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:48.320 of um like cultural experiences as you and I do 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:53.720 like feel some sort of kinship, especially with queer Jewish people, 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.560 as long as they're not like taking it a little 0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.960 too seriously. Yeah, totally. And yeah, I would say like 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.560 if there's one thing that I would like to like 0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:06.880 take from Judaism or culture, like cultural Judaism and like 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.800 you know, own it in my own life is like 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.760 the gathering with a meal, you know what I mean, 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.000 Like even if it's like in every Sunday you know, 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.760 bagels and locks like whatever, Like, well, Judaism is about food. 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:23.720 Like let's be clear, period, Judaism is about Judaism is 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:28.400 about sharing food eating and it's like and it's fun 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:32.040 and this is crazy feels good to like gather with 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.200 a bunch of people and cook. It's crazy people have 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.840 been doing this forever and it still feels good. Um 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.800 And like yeah, I've like you know, other like queer 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.000 Jewish friends. Like we've even gotten together and like done 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.920 that where it's like you know, pass over a russiashana 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.960 and just like made a lot goods in like in 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.600 an air fryer or like just you know kind of 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.680 like created our own little rituals and like that stuff 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:58.400 feels good to me. Um. And also though it's such 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.560 an annoying process because it's so much fucking preparation. I 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.720 ate them last night. Are you jealous? I'm so jealous. 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.000 I do have a package of frozen Trader Joe's Law 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.160 because in my freezer that I would help me to 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.960 those kind of go off. They do off have an 0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:14.799 air frier, so I'm gonna just pop them in there, 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.160 have them with some apple sauce and sour cream, and um, 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.120 live my life. It really is, to the to your point, Jill, 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.680 like a kind of like queer like generational thing that 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.319 happens with people that like used to be religious or 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.160 had religious families, because like we have these like deep 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:35.279 and stated like aversions to whatever it is. The thing 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.719 is because of like skirts and tights like you said, 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:39.880 are like me, it's like these these like you know, 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:43.680 disgusting like air apostle, like you know, short sleeve polos 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.520 or like button downs that I like hated, like like 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:48.719 khakis that I got from coals that are like I 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:52.000 hate and like they look horrible or whatever, um or 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:53.920 the other things that are because like also like just 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.000 church is boring, Like let's let's say that it's not 0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:01.280 churches boring objectively, and when you are eight, it's even 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.759 more boring and like borderline impossible to pay attention to. 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.600 So why are children subjected to this thing? Um? Anyway, 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.720 I used to sneak I used to sneak a book 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:15.840 in and put it in my um in my prayer 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:19.160 book to to read, like so I could pretend and 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:20.719 then I would just like stand up when we had 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.239 to stand up. It was like secretly sitting there like 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:27.120 reading Harry Potter or whatever. Literally same I would get 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.480 in trouble though, like I would read like Garfield comics 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.680 and stuff like that. Yeah, but I but my point 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:34.920 is is like I feel like, you know, we have 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.719 this like childhood that's like dripping with religion or like 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:40.960 you know, we have these divergence to religion and then 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.440 when we have our own autonomy, were like this fucking 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:48.640 sucks like fuck you religion, you never and then like 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.120 four or five years later we're like, oh, like I 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.160 still need to make a meaning of the world, and 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:56.240 and like want like community and like maybe a little 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.720 spirituality to maybe a little you know, mysticism or something. 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:01.680 And and we kind of like seek back, which is 0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:05.200 why like astrology is popular now and like things like 0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.759 that where it's like we feel or rather what I've 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.080 said this before, like I'm feeling like the God shaped 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.040 hole in my life with like thinks like you know, 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.440 just the leftover parts of the religion or traditions that 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.960 I like actually like, well, there's a difference between religion 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.880 and spirituality, and I think so many of us like 0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.880 like the spirituality part of it. Like I even as 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.160 a kid, like I was interested in the sort of 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.759 mysticism of Judaism, and I found a lot of the 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:40.000 ritual beautiful. Um yeah, like Elijah like um, you know, 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:44.680 like the the stories of in the you know, in 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:48.560 the Torah or whatever, and um. But yeah, yeah, I 0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.719 think there is like the God shaped hole, like we 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:55.120 have found things to fill it with, whether they're you know, 0:36:55.239 --> 0:37:02.680 astrology or partying or Rachel visus spit. Can we talk 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:06.759 about the spit. We actually am not sure if I've 0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:12.080 ever seen you know, spit on. I can't recall like 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.720 a kind of spit like moment in any other movie. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.720 I didn't realize rewatching it that it doesn't only happen once, 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:23.319 it's multiple times. It's a it's like lengthy sequence and 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.400 a lengthy kind of and it's spit. It's yeah, and 0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.520 it's like it's like a dribble to you know, like 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.600 it's like it's kind of like l it's not like 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:35.520 a like hot kind of like like aggressive like hawk like, 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:40.960 it's like it's very it's very sexual. It's really it's 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:45.560 like you have to really like spit to get into 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.280 a like a slow dribble into and like she really 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:51.839 like drinks it up. But it's well, I think it's 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:56.960 I think it's purposely supposed to feel religious, like it's 0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:00.399 supposed to look it's supposed to stand in for kind 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:06.759 of religious sacrament. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's it's like baptized 0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:10.800 with rachel issis spit. I mean, it's a baptism that's 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.160 that's Christian. But it's like, you know, it's like drinking 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:20.200 the wine you know on shop bet or some or something. Um, 0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:25.160 would you let Rachel Vice spit in your mouth? Yes, 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.480 I'm not even like a spit girl actually, to be honest, 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:34.279 but if it was Rachel, I have, like I have 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.839 like a thing with like um specifically like mouth and noises, 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.239 like like people chewing like really like like Fox with 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:44.960 me um. So I'm not Phoebe producer as well. She 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:47.920 I mean she threatened us at the beginning. She threatened 0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:51.640 me at the beginning of this episode. Yeah, no, I 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.759 like there's some like mouth stuff that I'm like not 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.920 fully on board. Like I think that like certain spitting 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:03.080 scenarios can be hot that specific one of the slowness 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.279 of it and like the fact that you can see 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.600 that like it's really the exchange of the juices that 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:13.520 it feels good for them and like that that doesn't 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.000 resonate for me. And let me tell you that spit 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.480 dribble is going in so slow it's cold by the 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:24.520 time your mouth it's cold. Yeah, I would prefer like 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.680 a fast spit, but I'm not, Like, I'm not a 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.759 spit girl, like we Rose and I have talked about 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.400 this on the pod before, but like I I definitely 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.360 someone who I'm never the spitter. I'm always getting spat 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:36.960 on and I don't know how spitters find me, but 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.200 they do. And I'm like, Okay, yes, spit on me 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.680 whatever way you want. But like then we get to 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:44.600 do the things that I want to do. But like 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:47.399 it does it is interesting that you know, the man 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.200 who directed this, I don't know, Like I don't even 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.279 care about like looking into him or like what his 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.719 intentions were as a director. But like, but like if 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:58.799 you're gonna fabricate this spit thing, which I wonder if 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:02.000 it's in the book, probably not, you know, there's a 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:06.719 kind of humiliation kink thing going on or like he 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.040 was trying to figure he was trying to just as 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:12.359 you were saying, like metaphorize this spit thing to be like, 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.680 oh this is like about her as a person or something. 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.399 It was just I don't think it. I don't see 0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.000 it as humiliating, like like it's I think it's like 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:24.359 a gift that she's giving her right. No, I mean, 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:29.480 I I'm not trying to say like like humiliation core kink, 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:34.400 but like spit in kink or in sexuality has the 0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.919 association of degradation. And I was like wondering if that, 0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.240 I think. I think it depends on your kink, because 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:46.520 like I am someone who, like I do engage and 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:51.000 spit play a little, and I would say most of 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:53.759 the time the person being spout on or in is 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.480 like begging for it, and it's really it really is 0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:59.759 like a gift you are giving them. And I think 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.040 that is at least when I watched the film, That's 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.920 how I read it is that Rachel McAdams is so 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:10.799 obsessed with Rachel Vice that she wants literally any part 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.400 of her she can get. She she wants to take 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:18.000 her inside her body in one of she can. Yeah, 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.320 I know, I agree. I agree. I think that like, 0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:24.360 like friend, I see what you're saying about the humiliation stuff, 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.279 but I think that like it's like a there is 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.680 like a vulnerability, like an exchange of vulnerability. I think 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:34.080 Rachel mcadam's character is like at her most vulnerable there 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.759 and I think that it could go that route. But 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:39.719 I do think that like, yeah, it's like a gift. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:43.160 That's like Rachel Vice is like giving her this like 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:52.960 tender dribble into her mouth. Yeah your um, yeah, Like 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:57.560 it's like it's I think it's like Rachel Vice's character 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:01.279 knows how like intense and vul holnerable that moment is 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:04.480 for her partner, and so I think it wouldn't make 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.840 sense if it was like really a hawk. You know, 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.640 it really makes sense for were We should talk for 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:16.239 forty more minutes about this analyze. Absolutely, You're so right 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.680 about the vulnerability though, because like so much of what 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:23.440 Rachel McAdams has to do in this movie is, you know, 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.120 she to be with Rachel Weiss, she has to like 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:31.560 lose all of this armor she has um armed herself 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.600 with UM to like move about in the world, like 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:36.680 you know, like the clothing, like the wig. I mean 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.279 when she takes the wig, Like every time she takes 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.400 the wig off of this movie is a gay And 0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.160 somehow her hair still looks amazing underneath it. I don't 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:48.319 know how how she does it. It's that little like 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:53.160 short Bob, I don't know, it stays intact. It looks great. Yeah, 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.600 I mean, she's so vulnerable in this movie, and you know, 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.360 by the end of it. And I also love how 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.719 the dynamic between the three of them because we're meant 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:06.280 to understand that Um, Rachel, Rachel and the guy UM 0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:11.279 were very close friends growing up and I like that 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.319 at that as the movie ends, and you know, he 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.680 realizes that they have like restarted their love affair and 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:22.080 that Rachel McAdams is pregnant. There's not like what I 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.239 guess we would expect in a movie like this of 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.640 some huge like blow up scene where you know, he 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:32.840 screams and like there's all this like shame being bandied around. 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.400 It all happens like very matter of fact Lee, and 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:40.240 it even ends with him, you know, like giving Rachel 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.960 McAdams his blessing to be free, like in front of 0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:50.640 their entire congregation. And I really like that those characters 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:55.080 feel so lived in and really seemed like they understand 0:43:55.120 --> 0:44:00.480 each other. Just a really well made movie that dynamic 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:05.280 of like the trio is so good and doesn't happen 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:07.319 a lot. I mean, I think like in real life 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:11.120 or in movies like where you get to see basically 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:16.400 the man who feels affronted by the lesbianism um like 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:20.279 like sucking hard, but you can see that he has 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.839 the capacity to become violently angry about it and then 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.920 kind of like takes it in processes and gives his 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.840 blessing and like it's yeah, it's it's the best case scenario, 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.959 I think for a setting like this, because he's also 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.719 always known because we like find out through the course 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.680 of the movie that they were in love when they 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:43.480 were teenagers, and even we're walked in on by Ronite's father, 0:44:43.960 --> 0:45:04.799 the Rabbi, which I mean that how many times has 0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:10.200 rachelis played a lesbian like multiple? Two? Only two? I 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:14.319 think only two, only two? And I did when I 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.640 interviewed her for The Favorite, I asked her kiss her, 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:21.279 asked her who is a better kisser, Rachel mcadam's or 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:25.680 Olivia Coleman, And she said she couldn't pick one. How 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:32.880 could she? It's gotta be Olivia Coleman totally, It's got 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:37.640 to be. I mean a blessing to participate in either couple. 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.040 But wow, I mean the Favorite. I mean, we could 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.040 do it a whole other episode on the Favorite, but like, wow, 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:45.880 we could and probably will at some point. Um. I 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.359 also loved the use of music in this movie with 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:52.319 the Cure. Um. I loved like that was kind of 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:56.320 the way that they like almost broke the tension between 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.800 them when they were in Rene's father house by listening 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.319 to The Cure and then it played again over the 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.600 credits at the end, it was such a like lovely 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:09.480 little touch. I love it. It's like the muscle memory 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:12.440 they like they play the song that they clearly listened 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:15.000 to together and then when they fucked, when now we 0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.440 have to fuck, Like but it's also such like a 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.279 it's not even like a let's fuck. It's like a 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.319 like such a tender reminder. How many times can I 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.239 describe their relationship as tender? On this episode? I want 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.080 about tenderness and also about coldness. Like it's a very 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:36.840 bleak film and it's color palette in, you know, the 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:41.120 kind of sparseness of the language, but then it makes 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:45.719 that's what makes those moments where it becomes extremely like 0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:52.879 passionate and tender even more startling. Yeah, and the war exactly. Yeah. Yeah, 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:56.760 Like the tenderness is like so much like the tenderness 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:58.960 is the thing you focus on because both of these 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.600 characters are like dead inside before they're reunited. Like Rachel 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.359 Weiss has like back in her New York life, Like 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:08.520 there's this montage that like shows that like she is 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.120 not feeling or doing amazing or she's just kind of 0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:14.359 floating through life. And obviously Rachel mcadam's character is like 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.759 not doing great either, and they both kind of like 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:20.560 reinvigorate each other. And that is what like love feels like. 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:22.480 You know, like I think a lot of the time 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.040 when you're it just feels like a like a reunion 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:27.440 and you're like, oh my god, are all of my 0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.799 woes and sorrows like gone? And they're not. They're just 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:33.520 like I don't know, it seems like she has a 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.319 pretty nice life. She's like photographing like old tattooed men 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:41.080 and hooking up with guys and bars. Yeah, I mean 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.000 I thought that the sequence where she's like hooking up 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.239 with the guys and bars was supposed to be I 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.400 thought that that because it showed like her hooking up 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:50.880 with guys and then like doing like boring work or something. 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:52.719 It was like this montage to me that was like 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:56.319 trying to paint like the monotony of her life or 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.920 like or like the fact that she was floating through it. 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.279 But maybe I was reading too hard into that. Well, 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.719 that's also that also comes after she finds out her 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:05.960 father's dead, and I think that it's supposed to like 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.759 show that she's trying to go emotions of her life 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:14.160 as if her father dying hasn't impacted her, right, it 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:17.880 really has right, right? Right? Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:21.239 think like the the I think it's supposed to show 0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:24.239 that she has like a big life back in back 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:27.000 in the big city. Um. But yeah, I think like 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:28.799 the hooking up with a guy in the bar is 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:33.560 kind of like a dark scene where she's like spiraling. Um. 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:36.160 And but I don't know, it's I guess it's hard 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:38.399 to say because we we really don't see that much 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:42.640 of her life before we go um to England. Um. 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:47.400 If her photographs are good, yeah, we never get to 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.799 see the book, the photography book. Do you think she's 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.920 big on Instagram? No? I think she's like an art 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:59.279 bitch and like pretentious and like won't touch social media. Yeah. 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.800 So what do you think if you had to write 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.239 like the sequel or like the fan fiction, like what 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.280 do you think happens after the end of the movie 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:12.240 Disobedience to Here we Go Again? It also features share 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:19.719 yeah as as her mom. Of course what happens? I 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:23.880 think Disobedience to follows Unfortunately, don't think Rachel vices in it. 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.520 I think it's like Rachel McAdams, Um, she moves to 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:33.720 California and it starts like her own journey and meets 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:38.319 that porter and no, I don't know, I think, but 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:43.480 I think that it would be like her story, you know, yeah, 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.600 because I don't. I do think that, like what we're 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:48.520 meant to understand by the end of the film is 0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:52.600 that Rachel McAdams has to figure out her next step herself. 0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:56.640 And like even though Rachel offers offers like that she 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.520 can come live with her, like that's not it's not 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:03.200 really escaping anything, and she has to like follow her 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:07.279 own path. I think she becomes like a mom in 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.399 a mom fluencer um and she makes a TikTok that's 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:15.920 all about how she like escaped you know, fundamentalism and 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:21.719 like totally monetizes the experience evidently in California, which is 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:23.799 going to be really hard for her to navigate, you know, 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:27.080 the insular Hollywood lesbian scene in l A. I think 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.480 that she would have a hard time here. Yeah, I 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.560 think that it would be really hard to go from 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:34.879 her life there and and Rachel vice and come here 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:39.040 and go to like the abbey or chapel on like 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:46.760 Wednesday night. Feel like that's what I'm that Like, Okay, 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:49.000 like this is what I left my home and family 0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:52.360 for a lot of backwards hats, like a lot of Yeah, 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:55.839 maybe she would, maybe she would catch the eye of 0:50:55.880 --> 0:51:00.320 like you know, a Christian Stewart type and then not 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:03.839 at the abbey ab but you know, she like she 0:51:03.880 --> 0:51:06.680 meets someone and like gets invited to some sort of 0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:09.279 like you know, fancy party in the hills and then 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:13.440 meets a lesbian and becomes part of a you know, 0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:17.160 a lesbian power couple. Yeah. I want her to have 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:21.080 like a like Princess Diaries kind of sequel where she 0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:24.719 like a Cinderella story, you know, where she finds the 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:28.200 queen of the lesbians and is like, you know, gets 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:33.840 this like great, exactly, Yeah, okay, make over makeupver Montage, 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:37.040 make over Montage at you know, the Army Surplus store, 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.440 at the at the at the dog Martin store or 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.600 maybe Okay. So she meets Olivia Coleman, who's like a lesbian, 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:47.080 like you know, like the most powerful lesbian, and turns 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.839 out Coleman is like escaped Mormonism, so she's also an 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:54.520 ex fundamentalist and they bond over that. And she used 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.680 to be on Real Housewives with Salt Lake City. Oh, 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:05.640 Merrit and she is Merideth playing who I've always thought 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:08.319 is Meredith Mars. There's one of them that looks a 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.319 lot like Rachel Weiss in a weird way. I think 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:13.320 it's Meredith. It is Meredith yet, yeah, so that makes sense. 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:18.360 She leaves, oh my god, with another Rachel Vice type, 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:23.319 but an older Rachel Weiss type. It's the beginning of 0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:26.680 the movie is Rachel mcadam's hooking up with like like 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.120 many people in a row, and they all have like 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:32.839 shoulder length brown hair. Yeah, it's still a brunette story. 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:36.280 Oh my god, Rachel Rachel Viss's hair in this movie, 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:40.080 I mean in every movie, obviously Magnet, especially in this film. 0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:45.759 It's just this incredible mane of touseled dark locks, and 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.040 she's never wearing a hat, even though it looks really 0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:53.800 fucking cold outside. She refuses. I think the darkest moment 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:55.879 of the movie is when she puts on the wig, 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:57.480 because it's like no, no, no no, no, we need the hair, 0:52:57.719 --> 0:53:00.520 like please, oh my god, forgot him her putting on 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:05.040 the wig. It's so funny. And then she gets recognized 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:12.320 by by Rachel McAdams right or and then she takes 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.480 it off. Have you ever worn one of those wigs, 0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:17.719 because I have you have I have yet? Can you 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:20.319 tell us the story like how it was for it 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:24.799 was for um bush Wig. One year I did a 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:28.200 performance in which I was playing a Hosidic woman. You 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:32.479 did performance from and from and from Yes, from which 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:35.359 is from which is a term. I don't think I 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:39.839 knew either before Disobedience, but I guess it's like, you know, 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:45.920 being being as like hassidically female as possible, like with 0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:50.120 the rolling backpack and the wig and the like the 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:55.800 like MAXI skirt. Yeah, I UM was watching this movie 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.480 and thinking a lot about like you know, hometown loves 0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:03.280 or like rekindling childhood flames or whatever, and I'm wondering, 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:05.560 like do y'all have like you know like I was. 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:07.520 I was like thinking of Shiva Baby when I was 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:11.399 watching this, and like movies like that, we're like where 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.720 you have an old flame, another great queer Jewish fellow. 0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:18.600 I wish. I mean, I feel like I've said this 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:22.000 so many times in my life that I I was 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:25.239 like the kind of queer person who was so repressed 0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:28.799 that I like really didn't even like admit it to 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:32.319 myself or no, until my early twenties and then like 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:37.480 didn't kiss a girl until I was twenty three. Um, 0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:41.600 and I whenever I watched like this is fucked up. 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:43.000 I know this is fucked up to say, but like 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.759 when I watched like these repression stories about like a 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.239 hometown love or whatever, I'm like, I wish I had 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:51.600 like a repressed hometown love, which like I which like 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:55.000 I kind of when you watch shows about queer teens 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:59.920 like falling in love, you're like you, yeah, I was 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:03.480 really not doing that. No, Like I really do in 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.120 a way wish that I knew what it was like 0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.840 to be like sixteen and like in love with a 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.200 girl and like couldn't tell anyone. But also like knowing 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:12.839 the environment I grew up and I think it would 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.680 have been um really really scary, Like I think my 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:20.280 life could have taken a dark turn. Um. Phoebe wants 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:22.719 to know if any of us have read Milk Fed 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:27.319 by Marissa Broder. I I've seen all of our book talk. Yes, 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.120 wait what what is it? Yeah? No, this is like 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.680 also like within the Shiva Baby Disobedience can and like 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:39.520 a queer kind of like quirky Jewish love story. Um, 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:43.160 it's like I don't. It's I like it, but it's not. 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:45.520 It's not my favorite. But um it's like, how do 0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:48.759 I even explain it. It's like a girl, um who 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.000 I think works at a talent agency in l a 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:52.719 and like because it kind of has a lot of 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.160 like like food and like body stuff, meets this girl 0:55:56.239 --> 0:56:01.200 who works in a froyo store. Um who she is? 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:06.840 That what it's called a froio store? Um who right? Exactly? 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:09.919 Who she like becomes like kind of like sexually obsessed with. 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:15.719 And that girl is a has like not not quite 0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:18.239 like a full Orthodox family, I don't think so, but 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:24.000 like like a really like uh definitely like conservative Orthodox 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:27.200 leaning family. And she goes in, she the girl, the 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.239 main girl that goes in, has dinner with them, and 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:34.200 like is gets into it about Israel and Palestine, and 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:36.520 I don't know. It's like I definitely think it's like 0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:41.239 an interesting worthy read and it's pretty funny, but um, yeah, 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:43.319 I honestly, I mean the fact that she works at 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:46.480 a fio store is that is that I call that 0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:51.920 hyper realism. That is truly I feel like I know 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.200 so many people from childhood that worked at at at 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:58.040 fio joints. There was this um, this ice cream store 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:01.160 called Oberweise in my hometown that everyone wanted to work for. 0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:04.120 And I remember going to apply and the manager was like, oh, 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:05.680 do you have any qualifications? I was like no, this 0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:07.640 being my first job, and he's like okay, and he 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:10.640 like pulls out that like stack of like a hundred 0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:16.400 applications from like other fourteen year olds to prioritize over mine. 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:19.440 He got your ass, Yeah, he really did. He was like, 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:23.960 good luck, um, But yeah, I I honestly so I 0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:26.120 fell in love with when I was like around seventeen 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:28.800 or so with my first boyfriend in a very suburban, 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:33.000 you know, part of Chicago, And I honestly would would 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:35.680 love to write that story. I think that likes there's 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:38.960 something about I know that everyone's doing like everyone does 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:41.520 like repressed career love stories. But also on that note, 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:46.080 like I would watch Mormon disobedience like that needs to 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:49.360 be a thing. Well that's almost that. That's that's there's 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:52.800 there's like a whole porn category of that, right, But 0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:56.400 you know, famously not not very narrative driven. I mean, 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:58.919 for you it is because you love the narrative of Yeah, 0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:03.840 that's all I care about Um, you if you went home, 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:08.120 do you think you would reunite with your your high 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:11.280 school lover? No, he ended up being like a total 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:15.960 dirt bag. Um, but never say never, never say never exactly. 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:17.960 And I think you can find your way back to 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.680 each other. And you could spit in him. Yeah, I 0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.560 could spit in him. Um we did meet at boy 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:33.040 Scout camp, another another fundamentalist organization. Yeah, yeah, it's all 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:38.000 full circle. Absolutely absolutely. I think you should. I would watch, 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:39.480 and I think you should write it, and I think 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.000 I feel like I feel like I have maybe a 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:43.520 contentious opinion on this because I know that like so 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.840 many like teens in gen Z and like whatever, not 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:49.200 just I mean not just the youths, but you know, 0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:53.560 say like no more repression stories or stories about coming 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:55.760 out and like whatever. And it's like, for I would 0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.919 say most of the queer people that are alive, those 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:02.640 stories really still resonate and still define a lot of 0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:07.760 people's lives. And the you know, like the Disobedience and 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:11.280 Carols of the world. Um, they fucking are hitting, you 0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:13.120 know what I mean, they hit And like I would watch, 0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:16.080 like I I really like those movies. I find them 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.520 to be really hot. Unfortunately, like maybe something to break 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:21.400 down in my in a therapy session. But also and 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.400 also very true, like yes, it's that we that there's 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:27.440 a whole generation of queer kids who are like finding 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.520 it easier to come out and like quote unquote live 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:34.520 authentically or whatever. But for a lot of a lot 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:37.680 of people around the world, Um, they still can't do 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:39.760 that safely. And a lot of us you know, grew 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:43.440 up with without having that experience. And so I think 0:59:43.480 --> 0:59:47.080 there is still a lot of power in those stories 0:59:47.320 --> 0:59:50.919 and they are still really hot. They're hot. We need 0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:58.360 more hot elder millennial repressed. That's the thing though, is 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:01.000 like the thing when when people are no more repression 1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.280 stories or whatever, which I've probably said before, like really 1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:07.680 like I've probably said it before, but like that's just 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.960 you know, the experienced poisoning effect of like you know, internet, 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:14.160 the internet and discourse and like and I feel like, um, 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:16.320 what we're really saying to your point, Jill, is like, 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.560 can you just tell the stories better? Like because no 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.600 one's complaining about Carol, no one, we would that that 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:25.200 movie is so perfect. So we're going to write a 1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:32.960 Hanukkah movie about some kind of you know, queer trends repression, 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:37.680 m Jill. You will direct it, Oh my god, Yes, 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:41.400 and it's gonna be great. It's gonna win an oscar 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:46.080 in seven and we're going to It's gonna take us 1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:48.480 some time to develop, and the fourteen year olds are 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:53.439 going to run us off social media. Yeah. Absolutely, We're 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:59.000 all going to be dead and can yeah exiled like 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:07.960 Rachel Weiss slide into our d M s at Like 1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:11.360 a Virgin. Fore tell us if you would let Rachel 1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:16.280 Vice spit in your mouth what your favorite Hanko tradition is. 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