1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: I worked at the cold Stone franchise that my parents owned, 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: cold Stone Neppo Baby. No, there's literally there's no. I 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: guess at the time, yes, I was an I can't 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: believe you were a cold Stone Nappo baby. That's so iconic. 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: I can't believe that. It's like Christmas and what is it? 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Five days now and I still am not in the 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Christmas spirit in almost anyway. I don't mean to be 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: a scrooge. I don't need to be a grinch. It's 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: not that I'm actively hating it. It's really not that. 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: It's like almost that I'm just completely apathetic about it. 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: You're you're standing on the top of Mount Trumpet right now. 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not being a grinch. It's not that 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: I it's and it actually feels it's not like I 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: feel like a grinch in that I'm the one person 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: who's feeling this way. It seems like collectively a lot 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: of people are feeling this about this holiday season. I 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: don't know what it is. It's less of like a 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: violent overthrowing of Christmas and more of like I am 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: dissociating from this Christmas season for whatever reason. Well, it 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: also feels like the culture is not as obsessed with 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: Christmas this year, Like there haven't been any big Christmas 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: movies or memes. I haven't I haven't done my annual 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: um tweeting the Grinch poster where he's holding the ornament 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: and with the caption is he do you know? Which 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: I like, literally tweeted every year and without fail, every 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: year it goes viral. So we'll see if that happens again. 27 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: What are your what are your Christmas plans? By the way, 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: well this is so funny. So Justin and I my 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: best friend, and I go home to my parents for 30 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Christmas usually, but this year we are going a day 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: after Christmas because Justin and I have book tickets to 32 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: see Adele in Vegas on Christmas Eve or in Christmas 33 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve, because tickets are like four hundred and 34 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: fifty dollars cheaper spending Christmas with Adele's. I'm spending Christmas 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: Eve with Adele and I'm staying the night at Caesar's Palace. 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: And apparently the Caesar's Palace buffet is incredible. I've been 37 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: told there are crab legs. I am worried about you 38 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: in a buffet because you do have a very sensitive tummy, 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: and I don't want you to get sick. I also have, 40 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, not that much restraint around unlimited around food. Yeah, 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: you really really really want I'm a garbage disposal in 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: that regard, but I would like especially be careful with 43 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: the shell fish, babe. Yeah, that's gonna that's gonna really 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: do a number on me. And they're after a daisy. 45 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like horny on Christmas Eve. 46 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: Well you could find me. You can find some Christmas trade. Yeah, 47 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: justin I sharing the show. You could cruise cruise at adel. Honestly, 48 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: it will probably be mostly faggots, like lonely faggots at 49 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: the Adele Christmas Eve show. Most mostly fagelis as we 50 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: say in Yiddish, and probably jew It and probably Jewish people, 51 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: probably people that don't celebrate Christmas. What are you doing 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: for for for for the holidays? Um? So, my best 53 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: friend Ryan and I always go to his mom's in 54 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: Long Island for Christmas and we are going this year. Um. 55 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: I think another like part of the reason why it 56 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: isn't feeling like Christmas this year is that every year 57 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: we do, you know, traditional Jewish Christmas, we go to 58 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: the movies on Christmas Day, and this year there really 59 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: isn't a big Christmas Day film release. I know, well, 60 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Matilda's coming out on closest day on Netflix, but it's 61 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: also on Netflix, so it's like kind of not the same. 62 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like we even talked about not 63 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: going to the movies on Christmas Day because we've already 64 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: seen Avatar. Like I'm not going to go see The 65 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Fableman's on Christmas Day or ever. Um So I think 66 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: we might just watch something at home, and like you know, 67 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: we do dinner obviously, but and usually the night before 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: we go to friends of theirs for a Christmas Eve party. 69 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be pretty low key Christmas. 70 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: I also have not been doing a lot of gift 71 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: buying this year. Like Ryan asked me the other day, 72 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: when you've been Christmas shopping, have you been buying stuff 73 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: for yourself as well? And I told him, actually, it's 74 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: more that when I've been buying things for myselves, I'm 75 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: also trying to Christmas shop in addition to that. Um 76 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: but I think my rule this year is like in 77 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: almost except in a few cases, if I'm not seeing 78 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: you on Christmas. You're not getting a gift good to know, 79 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: good to know, except for except for you. You are 80 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: getting except for me obviously. Um. I was going to ask, Okay, 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to make you get into it, obviously 82 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: because there's so much to say. But you saw Avatar. 83 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I did see Avatar on Saturday, Virgins Virgins. 84 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: We you were reading your survey results. We know that 85 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: you don't like spoilers or when we like review things 86 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: too early, So this isn't going to be a review 87 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: of Avatar. But I have to ask you, Rose, what 88 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: did you think? It was incredible? It was incredible, show stopping, 89 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: never been done before, it was. I loved it. It 90 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: was so much fun, It was emotional, it was beautiful. 91 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: It was everything I wanted and more. I think, like, 92 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: we'll talk about it more in depth once you've seen it, 93 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: because you do plan to see it, right, Yeah, I will. 94 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: I will eventually see it. Whenever I pulled pull together 95 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: the willpower to hold in my piss for three and 96 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: a half hours. Honestly, is it three it's three hours 97 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: and ten minutes. Um, I did go he midway through. 98 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: I was not gonna you know, James Cameron has given 99 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: us his blessing. He said, you should go to the 100 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: to the bathroom during the movies if you have to, 101 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: And there are many points during the movie where you 102 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: can just scurry off and piss for a minute or two. 103 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: It's fine. Um, it's a lot of movie and like, 104 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of movie. I actually have thought before, 105 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: like I think this would be a really good resource 106 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: to have, is if someone did like TikTok's where it 107 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: was like, here's the perfect part in ex popular movie 108 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom. Maybe I'll make that my 109 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: TikTok Niche like James Cameron actually should have prescribed like 110 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: there should be like a little ding ding ding on 111 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: the screen, and it should well because I saw it 112 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: in three D, although I didn't see it an I'm out, god, 113 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: did you know it was? Oh? Actually wait? I did 114 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: barf the morning after because I went to movies. We 115 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: saw We saw Avatar eight We saw Avatar eight p m. 116 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: And I didn't have dinner before and I got a 117 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: huge I got a huge buget of popcorn, a pepsi 118 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: and Twizzlers and I ate it all on an empty stomach. 119 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: And when I woke up in the morning. I had 120 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: a hair appointment yesterday morning, and I woke up feeling nauseous, 121 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I had to go sit 122 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: in like a salon for for three hours, like I 123 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: can't be sick, And I like, the second I got 124 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: out of bed, I ran to the bathroom and puked 125 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: up popcorn, twistlers and PEPSI And then I had to 126 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: go to a salon and get my hair done for 127 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: three hours. Oh my god, I was asking that facetious. 128 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: And then I had to go and then I had 129 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: to go to to tie his house and eat chili. 130 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Well that sounds like a great post bomb meal, honestly, 131 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: chili delicious. Yes, um, you're like sure? Um. I started 132 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: very weird. Maybe it's because we were texting, but I 133 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: started watching the original Avatar last night. I flicked it 134 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: on at nine fifty two pm, which was a terrible idea, 135 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean, but I watched the first third of it. 136 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: I had forgotten the movie entirely. I've never I've only 137 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: seen it once in theaters when it came out. Forgot 138 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: it entirely. What crazy movie. And the lead, this guy, 139 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: the lead of this movie, what a nobody he is? 140 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: What he is truly truly nothing, a nothing character, a 141 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: nothing role, a nothing actor. Like he adds nothing to 142 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: the movie. And it's so I don't think. I don't 143 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: think he adds nothing to the movie. But he's getting 144 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: to that. He certainly added nothing to the world, like 145 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: he is not. He was not really in any other 146 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: big movies. He was this year in Under the Banner 147 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: of Heaven, that X show with Andrew Garfield, and he 148 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: was also a spoiler alert, he was the villain. Um, 149 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: oh that is a spoiler. He yeah, he's he's whatever. 150 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: But Avatar, the First Avatar is incredible, one of the 151 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: best movies ever made James Cameron and is a genius. Um. 152 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: Speaking of James Cameron, I saw Titannique on Friday Night. Oh, 153 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: I've heard amazing amazing things. Was it? Was it good? Yeah? 154 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: So for anyone who hasn't heard of it. Tight Tannique 155 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: is an off Broadway show that is basically Titanic the 156 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: movie as a Celine Dion jukebox musical, and Selene Dion 157 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: is a character. She is telling the story of Titanic 158 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: because in the world of this show, she was on 159 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: the Titanic. Um. So she is so she's telling the story. Um, 160 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: it's so fun. I have not had that much fun 161 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: at a show in in a long time. It was 162 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: we were hooton and holleran. Um, Frankie Grande's in it. 163 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: He was, he was good. Frankie Grande's Frankie Grande's in it. 164 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: He didn't even you know, he was very humble. He 165 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: did not have his own bow. He bowed with the 166 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: rest of the ensemble. Wow, that's beautiful. But it was 167 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: so fun. The actress who played Celine Dion was so amazing. Unfortunately, like, 168 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: because I'm sure of licensing issues, they couldn't use the 169 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: big big hits like it's all coming back to me now, 170 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: wasn't in it? No way. They probably spent all their 171 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: money on getting My Heart will go on. Um, But 172 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: it's full of a lot of like fun pop culture references. 173 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: Some of them are like a little bit too on 174 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: the nose, but it is very funny. It's a really 175 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: good time and if you're in New York um and 176 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: want just like a super fun, very gay theatrical experience, 177 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: I would absolutely recommend it. And tickets aren't that expensive. 178 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: I think we paid like a hundred bucks. I I 179 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: mean like I love like a cheap Broadway show or 180 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: just a Broadway show that's like off Broadway, off Broadway, sorry, 181 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: home grown, like really trying something really not like un serious, 182 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: unafraid to take risks. Um. I know that like eight 183 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: Normal was revived like this this past week with all 184 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: this like it organizing and all these like you know, 185 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: like Black Mafia celebrities that are sponsoring shows and stuff 186 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: and like between that between like a Noma and Titanic. 187 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: I have like a slate of things now to and 188 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm back in New York t technique. It is currently 189 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: the fifth night of Hanukkah. Happy Hanukah to all who celebrate, 190 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: and um, we're celebrating today with the help of Jill Goodowitz, 191 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: who's here to talk about disobedience with us. Who better 192 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: to have than Jill honestly author of a Girls Can 193 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: Kiss Now and one of the most powerful lesbians on 194 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: the internet. We have to say she moves culture. She 195 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: influences me. Every day. Tis the season to light the menora, 196 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: fry up some latcas and spit into your hasidic ex 197 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: girlfriend's mouth because this is like a virgin the show. 198 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: Well give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm ros Damo 199 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: and I'm Fran Toronto and U hala hala, not that 200 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean yes that Fran. I do want to kind 201 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: of let you in since you are you are the 202 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: virgin to Judaism today is that Hanica is like not 203 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: a very cool holiday. It's not even like one of 204 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: the major Jewish holidays, and it's sort of prevalence in 205 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: culture is like really like an American fabrication to like 206 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: create like an alt Christmas or like a you know, 207 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: like a parallel for Christmas. But Monica is like a 208 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: pretty stupid holiday. Doesn't matter. I'm I'm much more of 209 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: a passover girl myself. Um. But one way that is 210 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: great to celebrate Hanaka is to watch Disobedience That to 211 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: dozen seventeen films starring the Rachel's, as they know, Rachel 212 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: Vice and Rachel mc adams. Jill. I wish you could 213 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: have seen us trying to think of, uh something like 214 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: we were trying to think of like holiday movies, and 215 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: then we were like, wait, Jewish holiday movies, like what 216 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: do we do? Like what do we do? We were 217 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: brainstorming for like you know, these upcoming episodes and the 218 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: way that I brought up Eight Crazy Nights multiple times, 219 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: and I just like, I feel like I didn't hear it. 220 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, speaking speaking of my mom last night 221 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: when she texted me, she was texting me photos and 222 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: video from our like family hanakka thing of my nephew 223 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: opening his gifts, and then she started sending me the 224 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: lyrics to eight Crazy Nights line by line, and I 225 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: kept saying stop, and I eventually had to put on 226 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: my do not disturb mode. Um. But for the virgins, 227 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen Disobedience, or if you just need 228 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: a little refresher, Disobedience is a two thousand and seventeen 229 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: film directed by directed Sebastian lelo Um. It's based on 230 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: a book by the same name, and it stars um 231 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: Rachel Weiss as a former Orthodox Sidic Jewish woman who 232 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: goes home to her like small insular Hathidic community after 233 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: her father, who is the community rabbi, dies and there 234 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: she reunites with her childhood best friend who has married 235 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: her childhood lesbian lover played by um Rachel mccadams of 236 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: The Notebook and Mean Girls, and they you know, rekindle 237 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: their love affair. Um Jill I knowing you. I know 238 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: this is a very important film to you. It really is, 239 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: I mean it is. I think it is like the 240 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: maybe the one good lesbian movie done by a man, 241 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: really the only one. I'm trying to think, like when 242 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: you think of other movies that have like tried to 243 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: come up against something like Disobedience, what comes to mind? 244 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I like Carol, I do love I stand Carol, 245 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: but I feel like, you know, like it wasn't made 246 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: only by a man. Um and like Imagine Me and You, 247 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: I would say, is another movie that is like a 248 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: lesbian movie by a man that's actually kind of good. 249 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: But the guy who wrote and directed Imagine Me and 250 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: You also directed Mamma Mia. So like it, so you 251 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: understand like culturally he gets it clearly? Is Mom and 252 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: Mia also love hanaka film in a way? Say more? Yes, Yeah, 253 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: go ahead and elaborate on that road. I'm gonna try 254 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: to I'm gonna try to see if I can make 255 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: you one so three crazy dads. Well, okay, actually I 256 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: guess Mama Mia would be more of a Christmas film 257 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: because the three Dads would be the three Wise Men, 258 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: and Amanda Sayford would be Jesus would be like the 259 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: Virgin Birth because they never figure out who her dad is. Right, So, okay, 260 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia is not a Hottako film, but it is 261 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: a Christmas film and I will make you watch it 262 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: one day. Friend. Yeah, I die trying. I've watched like 263 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: probably parts of it on a plane. No. No, it 264 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it doesn't count. Also does not count 265 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: that you've only watched the share parts of Mamma Mia too. 266 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: You bring it up every time we have this argument, 267 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: and I won't stand for it. I'm in shop right now, 268 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: Like I know that that's like the point of the podcast, 269 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: but the fact that you haven't seen Mommy is honestly 270 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: shocking to me. I tried. We tried once at my house, right. No, No, 271 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: we watched. Every time I've tried to get you to 272 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: watch it, you've said, no, we watched the first minutes. 273 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: That's not true. That it's not that's not true, Ellen, 274 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I would never I would never 275 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: say that. Um, this is this is literally true. Though 276 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: the virgins have to know that we have literally watched 277 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: the first they haven't got me, which is really appropriate 278 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: because um, we're talking about Hanakah, which is the festival 279 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: of lights. Fran, do you do Fran, do you know 280 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: the story of Hanukkah. I don't know the story of Hanukkah. 281 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: I do know the story of you know, Hasidic Judaism, 282 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: because I lived in South Williamsburg for four years, five years, Jill, Jill, 283 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: could you give us like a teal d r of 284 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: the story of Hanukkah? Honestly, I cannot. I'm like, okay, 285 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: do we need it. I think it's you know, we 286 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 1: need it to understand that. I think it's you know, 287 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: this is our Hanaka special. I think you know, we 288 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: should should talk about it. Um. So there were these 289 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: there were these gays called the Maccabee's, and they there's 290 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: something about a temple. The temple was destroyed or something 291 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: where they built a temple and they only had enough 292 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: oil um to fuck for one night. Um, because there 293 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: are a bunch of bottoms and and there was only 294 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: enough oil um for one night. But then through the 295 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: magic of Rachel, weis the oil lasted for eight nights. 296 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: And that's how we have the story of Hanukah, which 297 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: when you say oil you mean lube, right, yes, I 298 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: mean and let me be clear, um, Disobedience has nothing 299 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: to do with hanukah Um. Really, the only Jewish holiday 300 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: that is depicted in it at all is Shabbat or 301 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: shabus Um as we as we call it. But um, 302 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: I mean, Jill, like what what what about Disobedience do 303 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: you think is so vanta stick? Even though it was 304 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: directed by a man? I mean I genuinely think it's hot. 305 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: Like I like not to get into like the like repression, 306 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: problematic lesbian repression of it all, but like it is hot, 307 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: and I do think that they have like good chemistry, 308 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: and I do like genuinely like the story. Um, so 309 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: basically the things that make a movie good in general. 310 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: But that's like it feels like a low bar. But 311 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: like when it comes to like lesbian movies, yeah, there 312 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: aren't that many good ones that fulfill that criteria. Yeah. 313 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: But also not to get too far ahead, but it 314 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: unlike most sad lesbian movies. Well, I mean, first of all, 315 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: it's not a period film, which is great to see, um, 316 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: And it has us somewhat hopeful ending. Yeah, and it's 317 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: like like somewhat somewhat like Carol, Like it's not necessarily 318 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: a coppy ending, but it's a hopeful one. Yeah, totally. 319 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: And it's like it's unique, you know, like I feel 320 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: like a lot of like the lesbian movies, like you said, 321 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: like there's so many like pure pieces and whatever that 322 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: like make the movie unique, but also then kind of 323 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: not because there's so many, and I feel like this 324 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: is actually just like whether it was a like queer 325 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: movie or not, it is like a unique story. Um yeah, 326 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: I feel like when you when we were when I 327 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: was watching this, I I was thinking kind of along 328 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: the same lines because I was like, Okay, this is 329 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: a movie that's like first and foremost about having brown hair, 330 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: and and secondly it's as CB has pointed out, and 331 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: the chat about edging, like the sexual tension in this 332 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: film is so good. And I don't know if I 333 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: just like what because okay, I'm not gonna lie, Like 334 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: the first like you know, thirty forty minutes are like 335 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: a little boring before we get to like the hot stuff. 336 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: But like I don't know if I wasn't paying attention, 337 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: but like I did not see the Rachel's and their 338 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: first the first moment that they like kind of kiss. 339 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: I was like I just remember being like what the fuck? 340 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: Because the tension between them was bubbling at such a 341 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: subtle simmer while the rest of the drama of the 342 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: film is happening around them that I was like focused 343 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: on the drama and not on like what was like 344 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: actually sparking. Um. So, I don't know. I think that 345 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: like the ways that they cannot satisfy each other, the 346 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: ways that they couldn't touch each other for so long, 347 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: was like a big part of why the lust in 348 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: this movie is like so satisfying. And like the spin scene, 349 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: obviously all the different things that like make this movie 350 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: really memorable are around, like the sex. Well, it's like 351 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: they can't they can't even acknowledge it. And and I 352 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: mean I don't think that the first forty minutes of 353 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: the film aren't boring. I actually think the tension is 354 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: so interesting, and I think you have to understand Ronete 355 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: rachel Weiss's character and how she's left and what it's 356 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: like for her to come back. And I think this 357 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: film is so good at showing rather than telling, like 358 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: so much as communicated without any one ever talking about it. 359 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: And those moments where the tension bubbles over, Like I 360 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: think about the scene where they're all having dinner and 361 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: she's like, I want to sell the house and they're like, 362 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. 363 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: And it's such a Jewish thing. It is. The guilt 364 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: dripping from this film is like, I mean, this is 365 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: such a Jewish movie in addition to being such a 366 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: game movie. It really in addition to being an extremely 367 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: you know, burnette movie, which has to be said again, 368 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: and the British movie. And even though Rachel mccadam's British 369 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: accent is not great because there I guess I wasn't 370 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: focused on it. Did any of y'all Did either of 371 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: you read the book, the Disobedience book that it's based on, 372 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: so I was apparently they changed it a lot, and 373 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,239 Speaker 1: I mean not surprising, but like the ending of the 374 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: book is like pretty sad not to jump right to 375 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: the ending, but like they she basically decides to stay 376 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: in the community, and it's like she's like, I'm happier here, 377 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: this is my life, and you know, so be it. 378 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately that's probably a more realisticalistic and um 379 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: because I I can't imagine what it's like to be 380 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: in that sort of like fundamentalist environment and break away 381 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: from it like obviously, like we see a person who's 382 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: done that in in Rachel Vice's character, um, and it 383 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: kind of seems like she escaped the absolute moment she could. 384 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: But I imagine like once you have lived like the 385 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: majority of your life and like not only your adolescents, 386 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: but like your adult life in a community like that, 387 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: it must be almost impossible to leave. It did make 388 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: me think of, um, my unorthors wait for Netflix reality 389 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: show for the Virgin's Jail. Can you break it down 390 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: that my unorthodox life? Oh my god, ken I I'm 391 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: like so. Julia Hart is a c e O who 392 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: got out of the Orthodox community and is now like 393 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: living in New York with in like a very like 394 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: bougie life, and her kids are kind of like some 395 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: of that. In the first season, some of them were 396 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: like out and like happy and like you know, to 397 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: be out and whatever. Some were like out but still 398 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: kind of like conservative. And one of her youngest child 399 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: is like still actually in the community living with her 400 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: X and like, uh kind of kind of like can't 401 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: get him out, like he is really starting to believe 402 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: in all of it, and like the same kind of 403 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: stuff we were just talking about. But one of the daughters. 404 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: Miriam is like an out bisexual, horny queen. Um we do, yeah, 405 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: we have you Rose. Have you started watching the second season? 406 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: I have not, and I know that a lot has 407 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: transpired because wasn't there like a whole scandal with her husband. Yes, 408 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: well I've only watched the first episode, so I haven't 409 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: really like gotten into it, but I know that, um, 410 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: you know, like bought Cheva, the other daughter, she's like 411 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: fully like she's gone full influencer. Her and her husband, 412 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: who was like a little bit more conservative, like have 413 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: broken up and she is just like out there living 414 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: her like Bravo girl life. Well she got the taste 415 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: of fame. So that makes a lot of sense. It 416 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: also makes sense, you know, not to get to like serious, 417 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: but it does, you know, makes sense that of all 418 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: of Julia's children, the one who is still like deeply 419 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: invested in the community is the boy. Because like it's 420 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: a culture that you know, um, women as lesser and 421 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: like literally like separates and segregates them. Yeah, the men's 422 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: day winning. Yes, as you know, as we see in Disobedience, like, um, 423 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: when they go to school, Um, you know, the men 424 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: and the women are kept separately. The women sit in 425 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: a different part of the synagogue. You know, women have 426 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: to wear wigs all the time and like be like 427 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: totally bundled up and like can only show their bodies 428 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: to their husbands and are like literally just there to 429 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: like roll their little like wheeled backpacks around and they three, 430 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: they're a little wheeled back. I think one of my 431 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: favorite moments in this movie, and I think the best 432 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: line is when Rachel Vice asked Rachel McAdams, do you 433 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: still only fancy women? And she gives for that sort 434 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: of like look like and because like looks from like 435 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: underhrise and like yes, and it's very It's it's very 436 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: like thor thor going do you want to form a yes? 437 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: It is? Yeah. I love it. I honestly like watching 438 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: it made me want to read the book a little 439 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: more because apparently it's the book. The story is like 440 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: really autobiographical, like the author like went through this thing 441 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: and is Rachel weis Um And each chapter has like 442 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: a kind of like opening like kind of teaching or 443 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: like scripture specifically from Um you know, Judaism and like 444 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: or like from the Orthodox Church and and the way 445 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: that they created like alignments about like love was like 446 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: part of like how the story came together. But like 447 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I I personally just think that like whenever I watched 448 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: things like this where um kind of cultish or like 449 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: weird religion, weird like religious like forces are the thing 450 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: you're up against. Like I honestly always get really invested 451 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: in the world, Like did you ever this is like 452 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 1: a stupid reference. Did you guys ever read the Poison? 453 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: Would Bible the barbecan rose? You would love that? But 454 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 1: that one's more about like Baptist like missionary culture and 455 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but like weird culti religious like kind 456 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: of things that like service backdrops for stories like this, 457 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like always like immediately hooked. It is fascinating. 458 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: But I also just like I can't conceptualize of believing 459 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: in God like that. But I also that, Yeah, but 460 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: I also know that for a lot of people, like 461 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: even if they tell themselves, even if even if they 462 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: tell themselves, that's what it's about. Like it's not necessarily 463 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: really about that. It's like about community, it's about structure, 464 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: it's about tradition. I mean even like even as a 465 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: very reformed Jewish person, like my Judaism is so much 466 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: more like cultural than it is religious. And I think 467 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: for most people in my family, um, And like I 468 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: get that there is a comfort in that and in 469 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: safety and that. And you see a lot of these 470 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: socidic communities like they're so insular. You know, you have 471 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: a similar experience of Judaism, I really do. I mean, 472 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: like I when I was younger, like when I was 473 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: like a kid, my grandparents definitely were like more invested 474 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: than my parents were, and they didn't really like care 475 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: or like push us to like you know whatever. But 476 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: like we when my grandparents were like super around, we 477 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: went to Temple a lot. And I did like resent 478 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: it a lot, even from a young age, because there 479 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: was like just like the stuff, you know, like of 480 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: like my grandma being like you have to wear a 481 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: dress and like tights and like the pretty shoes and 482 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: like I just like there was just like some like 483 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: gender stuff going for me, like at a very early 484 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: age where I was like I don't like this, and 485 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: I associated all of that with Temple, you know, because 486 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: it was like I only had to dress up like 487 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: that when I went to Temple and I hated it. Um. 488 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: And I think that like I was never bought mitzvohed Um, 489 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: like I really came to like resent it. I also 490 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: was raised in like a really um Catholic high school, 491 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: like not like a Catholic school, but like everyone in 492 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: the school was Catholic or Christian. They were like I think, 493 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: like ten Jews in the school. And so I think 494 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: that like it made me always feel there's something about 495 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: Judaism that like in numerous ways made me feel isolated, 496 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: and none of it was actually Judaism's fault necessarily, um, 497 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: and I think that I like very much, uh you know, 498 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: trying to like leave it behind and only in the 499 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: last you know, i'd say, like five years, I feel 500 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: like I have like found a new like adult appreciation 501 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: for like cultural Judaism, and like I feel really like 502 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: strongly connected to other people who have had like similar 503 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: upbringings and are like from like you know, Jewish Brooklyn, 504 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: like anything that like feels like what it felt like 505 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I'm now kind of like 506 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: picking and choosing the stuff that does feel good, you know, 507 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: and like I totally get what you mean about, like 508 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: especially about like the way that being Jewish like in 509 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: a predominantly Christian country, which is the one we live 510 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: in like is isolating, and so it does make me 511 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: understand why there are communities that like are so insular, 512 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: because they're like it's like almost a reaction to that. 513 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: UM And I also have kind of had the same 514 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: experience where like, I like I grew up I mean 515 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: pretty like we didn't go to temple that often, but 516 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: like I did go to Hebrew School. My mom worked 517 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: at the at the temple I went to when I 518 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: was little. For a little bit, I did have a 519 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: bar mitzvah. The theme was Broadway obviously. UM. And when 520 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: I got older, you know, I like totally rejected it. 521 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: I like I have not been in its inside a 522 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: temple in a long time. I think probably since my 523 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: brother's wedding. I don't like I don't have a minora. 524 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: I didn't like the candles last night for Hankka. But 525 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: I like I do find comfort in, you know, the 526 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: rituals of it all, Like I do. I do still 527 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: like you know, like eating a lot because during Hanukkah, 528 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: or like getting like getting holla during Russia Shanna and 529 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: dipping it in honey. I can't do apples, sim allergic 530 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: to them. Um. I like being around the people I 531 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: love during the Jewish holidays. I do like the you know, 532 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: like the Passover story and like doing some kind of 533 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: like makeshift meal or in place of a satyr um. 534 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: And you're totally right. It's like there is a lot 535 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: of comfort in people who have had the same kind 536 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: of um like cultural experiences as you and I do 537 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: like feel some sort of kinship, especially with queer Jewish people, 538 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: as long as they're not like taking it a little 539 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: too seriously. Yeah, totally. And yeah, I would say like 540 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: if there's one thing that I would like to like 541 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: take from Judaism or culture, like cultural Judaism and like 542 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, own it in my own life is like 543 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: the gathering with a meal, you know what I mean, 544 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: Like even if it's like in every Sunday you know, 545 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: bagels and locks like whatever, Like, well, Judaism is about food. 546 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: Like let's be clear, period, Judaism is about Judaism is 547 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: about sharing food eating and it's like and it's fun 548 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: and this is crazy feels good to like gather with 549 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of people and cook. It's crazy people have 550 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: been doing this forever and it still feels good. Um 551 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: And like yeah, I've like you know, other like queer 552 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: Jewish friends. Like we've even gotten together and like done 553 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: that where it's like you know, pass over a russiashana 554 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: and just like made a lot goods in like in 555 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: an air fryer or like just you know kind of 556 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: like created our own little rituals and like that stuff 557 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: feels good to me. Um. And also though it's such 558 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: an annoying process because it's so much fucking preparation. I 559 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: ate them last night. Are you jealous? I'm so jealous. 560 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: I do have a package of frozen Trader Joe's Law 561 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: because in my freezer that I would help me to 562 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: those kind of go off. They do off have an 563 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: air frier, so I'm gonna just pop them in there, 564 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: have them with some apple sauce and sour cream, and um, 565 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: live my life. It really is, to the to your point, Jill, 566 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: like a kind of like queer like generational thing that 567 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: happens with people that like used to be religious or 568 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: had religious families, because like we have these like deep 569 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: and stated like aversions to whatever it is. The thing 570 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: is because of like skirts and tights like you said, 571 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: are like me, it's like these these like you know, 572 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: disgusting like air apostle, like you know, short sleeve polos 573 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: or like button downs that I like hated, like like 574 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: khakis that I got from coals that are like I 575 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: hate and like they look horrible or whatever, um or 576 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: the other things that are because like also like just 577 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: church is boring, Like let's let's say that it's not 578 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: churches boring objectively, and when you are eight, it's even 579 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: more boring and like borderline impossible to pay attention to. 580 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: So why are children subjected to this thing? Um? Anyway, 581 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 1: I used to sneak I used to sneak a book 582 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: in and put it in my um in my prayer 583 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: book to to read, like so I could pretend and 584 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: then I would just like stand up when we had 585 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: to stand up. It was like secretly sitting there like 586 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: reading Harry Potter or whatever. Literally same I would get 587 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: in trouble though, like I would read like Garfield comics 588 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, but I but my point 589 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: is is like I feel like, you know, we have 590 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: this like childhood that's like dripping with religion or like 591 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, we have these divergence to religion and then 592 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: when we have our own autonomy, were like this fucking 593 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: sucks like fuck you religion, you never and then like 594 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: four or five years later we're like, oh, like I 595 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: still need to make a meaning of the world, and 596 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: and like want like community and like maybe a little 597 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: spirituality to maybe a little you know, mysticism or something. 598 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: And and we kind of like seek back, which is 599 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: why like astrology is popular now and like things like 600 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: that where it's like we feel or rather what I've 601 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: said this before, like I'm feeling like the God shaped 602 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: hole in my life with like thinks like you know, 603 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: just the leftover parts of the religion or traditions that 604 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: I like actually like, well, there's a difference between religion 605 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: and spirituality, and I think so many of us like 606 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: like the spirituality part of it. Like I even as 607 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: a kid, like I was interested in the sort of 608 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: mysticism of Judaism, and I found a lot of the 609 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: ritual beautiful. Um yeah, like Elijah like um, you know, 610 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: like the the stories of in the you know, in 611 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: the Torah or whatever, and um. But yeah, yeah, I 612 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: think there is like the God shaped hole, like we 613 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: have found things to fill it with, whether they're you know, 614 00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: astrology or partying or Rachel visus spit. Can we talk 615 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: about the spit. We actually am not sure if I've 616 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: ever seen you know, spit on. I can't recall like 617 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: a kind of spit like moment in any other movie. 618 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: I didn't realize rewatching it that it doesn't only happen once, 619 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: it's multiple times. It's a it's like lengthy sequence and 620 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: a lengthy kind of and it's spit. It's yeah, and 621 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: it's like it's like a dribble to you know, like 622 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: it's like it's kind of like l it's not like 623 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: a like hot kind of like like aggressive like hawk like, 624 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: it's like it's very it's very sexual. It's really it's 625 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: like you have to really like spit to get into 626 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: a like a slow dribble into and like she really 627 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: like drinks it up. But it's well, I think it's 628 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: I think it's purposely supposed to feel religious, like it's 629 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: supposed to look it's supposed to stand in for kind 630 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: of religious sacrament. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's it's like baptized 631 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: with rachel issis spit. I mean, it's a baptism that's 632 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: that's Christian. But it's like, you know, it's like drinking 633 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: the wine you know on shop bet or some or something. Um, 634 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: would you let Rachel Vice spit in your mouth? Yes, 635 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm not even like a spit girl actually, to be honest, 636 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: but if it was Rachel, I have, like I have 637 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: like a thing with like um specifically like mouth and noises, 638 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: like like people chewing like really like like Fox with 639 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: me um. So I'm not Phoebe producer as well. She 640 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean she threatened us at the beginning. She threatened 641 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: me at the beginning of this episode. Yeah, no, I 642 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: like there's some like mouth stuff that I'm like not 643 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: fully on board. Like I think that like certain spitting 644 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: scenarios can be hot that specific one of the slowness 645 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: of it and like the fact that you can see 646 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: that like it's really the exchange of the juices that 647 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: it feels good for them and like that that doesn't 648 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: resonate for me. And let me tell you that spit 649 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: dribble is going in so slow it's cold by the 650 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: time your mouth it's cold. Yeah, I would prefer like 651 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: a fast spit, but I'm not, Like, I'm not a 652 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: spit girl, like we Rose and I have talked about 653 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: this on the pod before, but like I I definitely 654 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: someone who I'm never the spitter. I'm always getting spat 655 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: on and I don't know how spitters find me, but 656 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: they do. And I'm like, Okay, yes, spit on me 657 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: whatever way you want. But like then we get to 658 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: do the things that I want to do. But like 659 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: it does it is interesting that you know, the man 660 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: who directed this, I don't know, Like I don't even 661 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: care about like looking into him or like what his 662 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: intentions were as a director. But like, but like if 663 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: you're gonna fabricate this spit thing, which I wonder if 664 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: it's in the book, probably not, you know, there's a 665 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: kind of humiliation kink thing going on or like he 666 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: was trying to figure he was trying to just as 667 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: you were saying, like metaphorize this spit thing to be like, 668 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: oh this is like about her as a person or something. 669 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: It was just I don't think it. I don't see 670 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: it as humiliating, like like it's I think it's like 671 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: a gift that she's giving her right. No, I mean, 672 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: I I'm not trying to say like like humiliation core kink, 673 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: but like spit in kink or in sexuality has the 674 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,919 Speaker 1: association of degradation. And I was like wondering if that, 675 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: I think. I think it depends on your kink, because 676 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: like I am someone who, like I do engage and 677 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: spit play a little, and I would say most of 678 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: the time the person being spout on or in is 679 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: like begging for it, and it's really it really is 680 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: like a gift you are giving them. And I think 681 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: that is at least when I watched the film, That's 682 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: how I read it is that Rachel McAdams is so 683 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: obsessed with Rachel Vice that she wants literally any part 684 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: of her she can get. She she wants to take 685 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: her inside her body in one of she can. Yeah, 686 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: I know, I agree. I agree. I think that like, 687 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: like friend, I see what you're saying about the humiliation stuff, 688 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: but I think that like it's like a there is 689 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: like a vulnerability, like an exchange of vulnerability. I think 690 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: Rachel mcadam's character is like at her most vulnerable there 691 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: and I think that it could go that route. But 692 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: I do think that like, yeah, it's like a gift. 693 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: That's like Rachel Vice is like giving her this like 694 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: tender dribble into her mouth. Yeah your um, yeah, Like 695 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: it's like it's I think it's like Rachel Vice's character 696 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: knows how like intense and vul holnerable that moment is 697 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: for her partner, and so I think it wouldn't make 698 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: sense if it was like really a hawk. You know, 699 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: it really makes sense for were We should talk for 700 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: forty more minutes about this analyze. Absolutely, You're so right 701 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: about the vulnerability though, because like so much of what 702 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: Rachel McAdams has to do in this movie is, you know, 703 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: she to be with Rachel Weiss, she has to like 704 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: lose all of this armor she has um armed herself 705 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: with UM to like move about in the world, like 706 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, like the clothing, like the wig. I mean 707 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: when she takes the wig, Like every time she takes 708 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: the wig off of this movie is a gay And 709 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: somehow her hair still looks amazing underneath it. I don't 710 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: know how how she does it. It's that little like 711 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: short Bob, I don't know, it stays intact. It looks great. Yeah, 712 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, she's so vulnerable in this movie, and you know, 713 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: by the end of it. And I also love how 714 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: the dynamic between the three of them because we're meant 715 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,280 Speaker 1: to understand that Um, Rachel, Rachel and the guy UM 716 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: were very close friends growing up and I like that 717 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: at that as the movie ends, and you know, he 718 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: realizes that they have like restarted their love affair and 719 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: that Rachel McAdams is pregnant. There's not like what I 720 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: guess we would expect in a movie like this of 721 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: some huge like blow up scene where you know, he 722 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: screams and like there's all this like shame being bandied around. 723 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: It all happens like very matter of fact Lee, and 724 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 1: it even ends with him, you know, like giving Rachel 725 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: McAdams his blessing to be free, like in front of 726 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: their entire congregation. And I really like that those characters 727 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: feel so lived in and really seemed like they understand 728 00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: each other. Just a really well made movie that dynamic 729 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,280 Speaker 1: of like the trio is so good and doesn't happen 730 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, I think like in real life 731 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: or in movies like where you get to see basically 732 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 1: the man who feels affronted by the lesbianism um like 733 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: like sucking hard, but you can see that he has 734 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,839 Speaker 1: the capacity to become violently angry about it and then 735 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: kind of like takes it in processes and gives his 736 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: blessing and like it's yeah, it's it's the best case scenario, 737 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,959 Speaker 1: I think for a setting like this, because he's also 738 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: always known because we like find out through the course 739 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: of the movie that they were in love when they 740 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: were teenagers, and even we're walked in on by Ronite's father, 741 00:44:43,960 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: the Rabbi, which I mean that how many times has 742 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: rachelis played a lesbian like multiple? Two? Only two? I 743 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: think only two, only two? And I did when I 744 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: interviewed her for The Favorite, I asked her kiss her, 745 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: asked her who is a better kisser, Rachel mcadam's or 746 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: Olivia Coleman, And she said she couldn't pick one. How 747 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: could she? It's gotta be Olivia Coleman totally, It's got 748 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: to be. I mean a blessing to participate in either couple. 749 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: But wow, I mean the Favorite. I mean, we could 750 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: do it a whole other episode on the Favorite, but like, wow, 751 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: we could and probably will at some point. Um. I 752 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 1: also loved the use of music in this movie with 753 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: the Cure. Um. I loved like that was kind of 754 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: the way that they like almost broke the tension between 755 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,800 Speaker 1: them when they were in Rene's father house by listening 756 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 1: to The Cure and then it played again over the 757 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: credits at the end, it was such a like lovely 758 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: little touch. I love it. It's like the muscle memory 759 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: they like they play the song that they clearly listened 760 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: to together and then when they fucked, when now we 761 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: have to fuck, Like but it's also such like a 762 00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: it's not even like a let's fuck. It's like a 763 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: like such a tender reminder. How many times can I 764 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: describe their relationship as tender? On this episode? I want 765 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: about tenderness and also about coldness. Like it's a very 766 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: bleak film and it's color palette in, you know, the 767 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: kind of sparseness of the language, but then it makes 768 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 1: that's what makes those moments where it becomes extremely like 769 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: passionate and tender even more startling. Yeah, and the war exactly. Yeah. Yeah, 770 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: Like the tenderness is like so much like the tenderness 771 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: is the thing you focus on because both of these 772 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: characters are like dead inside before they're reunited. Like Rachel 773 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: Weiss has like back in her New York life, Like 774 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: there's this montage that like shows that like she is 775 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: not feeling or doing amazing or she's just kind of 776 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 1: floating through life. And obviously Rachel mcadam's character is like 777 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: not doing great either, and they both kind of like 778 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: reinvigorate each other. And that is what like love feels like. 779 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: You know, like I think a lot of the time 780 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: when you're it just feels like a like a reunion 781 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, are all of my 782 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 1: woes and sorrows like gone? And they're not. They're just 783 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: like I don't know, it seems like she has a 784 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: pretty nice life. She's like photographing like old tattooed men 785 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: and hooking up with guys and bars. Yeah, I mean 786 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: I thought that the sequence where she's like hooking up 787 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: with the guys and bars was supposed to be I 788 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: thought that that because it showed like her hooking up 789 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: with guys and then like doing like boring work or something. 790 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: It was like this montage to me that was like 791 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: trying to paint like the monotony of her life or 792 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: like or like the fact that she was floating through it. 793 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: But maybe I was reading too hard into that. Well, 794 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: that's also that also comes after she finds out her 795 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: father's dead, and I think that it's supposed to like 796 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 1: show that she's trying to go emotions of her life 797 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: as if her father dying hasn't impacted her, right, it 798 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 1: really has right, right? Right? Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I 799 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: think like the the I think it's supposed to show 800 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: that she has like a big life back in back 801 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: in the big city. Um. But yeah, I think like 802 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: the hooking up with a guy in the bar is 803 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: kind of like a dark scene where she's like spiraling. Um. 804 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,160 Speaker 1: And but I don't know, it's I guess it's hard 805 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,399 Speaker 1: to say because we we really don't see that much 806 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: of her life before we go um to England. Um. 807 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: If her photographs are good, yeah, we never get to 808 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: see the book, the photography book. Do you think she's 809 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: big on Instagram? No? I think she's like an art 810 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,279 Speaker 1: bitch and like pretentious and like won't touch social media. Yeah. 811 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: So what do you think if you had to write 812 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: like the sequel or like the fan fiction, like what 813 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,280 Speaker 1: do you think happens after the end of the movie 814 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,240 Speaker 1: Disobedience to Here we Go Again? It also features share 815 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: yeah as as her mom. Of course what happens? I 816 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 1: think Disobedience to follows Unfortunately, don't think Rachel vices in it. 817 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: I think it's like Rachel McAdams, Um, she moves to 818 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:33,720 Speaker 1: California and it starts like her own journey and meets 819 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: that porter and no, I don't know, I think, but 820 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: I think that it would be like her story, you know, yeah, 821 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: because I don't. I do think that, like what we're 822 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: meant to understand by the end of the film is 823 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 1: that Rachel McAdams has to figure out her next step herself. 824 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: And like even though Rachel offers offers like that she 825 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 1: can come live with her, like that's not it's not 826 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: really escaping anything, and she has to like follow her 827 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: own path. I think she becomes like a mom in 828 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,399 Speaker 1: a mom fluencer um and she makes a TikTok that's 829 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,920 Speaker 1: all about how she like escaped you know, fundamentalism and 830 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: like totally monetizes the experience evidently in California, which is 831 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: going to be really hard for her to navigate, you know, 832 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: the insular Hollywood lesbian scene in l A. I think 833 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: that she would have a hard time here. Yeah, I 834 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 1: think that it would be really hard to go from 835 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,879 Speaker 1: her life there and and Rachel vice and come here 836 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: and go to like the abbey or chapel on like 837 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:46,760 Speaker 1: Wednesday night. Feel like that's what I'm that Like, Okay, 838 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: like this is what I left my home and family 839 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of backwards hats, like a lot of Yeah, 840 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 1: maybe she would, maybe she would catch the eye of 841 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,320 Speaker 1: like you know, a Christian Stewart type and then not 842 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,839 Speaker 1: at the abbey ab but you know, she like she 843 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: meets someone and like gets invited to some sort of 844 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: like you know, fancy party in the hills and then 845 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,440 Speaker 1: meets a lesbian and becomes part of a you know, 846 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: a lesbian power couple. Yeah. I want her to have 847 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: like a like Princess Diaries kind of sequel where she 848 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: like a Cinderella story, you know, where she finds the 849 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 1: queen of the lesbians and is like, you know, gets 850 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: this like great, exactly, Yeah, okay, make over makeupver Montage, 851 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: make over Montage at you know, the Army Surplus store, 852 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,440 Speaker 1: at the at the at the dog Martin store or 853 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: maybe Okay. So she meets Olivia Coleman, who's like a lesbian, 854 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: like you know, like the most powerful lesbian, and turns 855 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: out Coleman is like escaped Mormonism, so she's also an 856 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: ex fundamentalist and they bond over that. And she used 857 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: to be on Real Housewives with Salt Lake City. Oh, 858 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: Merrit and she is Merideth playing who I've always thought 859 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,319 Speaker 1: is Meredith Mars. There's one of them that looks a 860 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 1: lot like Rachel Weiss in a weird way. I think 861 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,320 Speaker 1: it's Meredith. It is Meredith yet, yeah, so that makes sense. 862 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 1: She leaves, oh my god, with another Rachel Vice type, 863 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: but an older Rachel Weiss type. It's the beginning of 864 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,680 Speaker 1: the movie is Rachel mcadam's hooking up with like like 865 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: many people in a row, and they all have like 866 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,839 Speaker 1: shoulder length brown hair. Yeah, it's still a brunette story. 867 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Rachel Rachel Viss's hair in this movie, 868 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean in every movie, obviously Magnet, especially in this film. 869 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: It's just this incredible mane of touseled dark locks, and 870 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 1: she's never wearing a hat, even though it looks really 871 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,800 Speaker 1: fucking cold outside. She refuses. I think the darkest moment 872 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,879 Speaker 1: of the movie is when she puts on the wig, 873 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: because it's like no, no, no no, no, we need the hair, 874 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 1: like please, oh my god, forgot him her putting on 875 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 1: the wig. It's so funny. And then she gets recognized 876 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:12,320 Speaker 1: by by Rachel McAdams right or and then she takes 877 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 1: it off. Have you ever worn one of those wigs, 878 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 1: because I have you have I have yet? Can you 879 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: tell us the story like how it was for it 880 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: was for um bush Wig. One year I did a 881 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: performance in which I was playing a Hosidic woman. You 882 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,479 Speaker 1: did performance from and from and from Yes, from which 883 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,359 Speaker 1: is from which is a term. I don't think I 884 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,839 Speaker 1: knew either before Disobedience, but I guess it's like, you know, 885 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: being being as like hassidically female as possible, like with 886 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 1: the rolling backpack and the wig and the like the 887 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,800 Speaker 1: like MAXI skirt. Yeah, I UM was watching this movie 888 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: and thinking a lot about like you know, hometown loves 889 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,280 Speaker 1: or like rekindling childhood flames or whatever, and I'm wondering, 890 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: like do y'all have like you know like I was. 891 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 1: I was like thinking of Shiva Baby when I was 892 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,399 Speaker 1: watching this, and like movies like that, we're like where 893 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,720 Speaker 1: you have an old flame, another great queer Jewish fellow. 894 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: I wish. I mean, I feel like I've said this 895 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: so many times in my life that I I was 896 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 1: like the kind of queer person who was so repressed 897 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,799 Speaker 1: that I like really didn't even like admit it to 898 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,319 Speaker 1: myself or no, until my early twenties and then like 899 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 1: didn't kiss a girl until I was twenty three. Um, 900 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,600 Speaker 1: and I whenever I watched like this is fucked up. 901 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 1: I know this is fucked up to say, but like 902 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: when I watched like these repression stories about like a 903 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: hometown love or whatever, I'm like, I wish I had 904 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: like a repressed hometown love, which like I which like 905 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,000 Speaker 1: I kind of when you watch shows about queer teens 906 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: like falling in love, you're like you, yeah, I was 907 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: really not doing that. No, Like I really do in 908 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: a way wish that I knew what it was like 909 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: to be like sixteen and like in love with a 910 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 1: girl and like couldn't tell anyone. But also like knowing 911 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,839 Speaker 1: the environment I grew up and I think it would 912 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: have been um really really scary, Like I think my 913 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,280 Speaker 1: life could have taken a dark turn. Um. Phoebe wants 914 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 1: to know if any of us have read Milk Fed 915 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 1: by Marissa Broder. I I've seen all of our book talk. Yes, 916 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: wait what what is it? Yeah? No, this is like 917 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,680 Speaker 1: also like within the Shiva Baby Disobedience can and like 918 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: a queer kind of like quirky Jewish love story. Um, 919 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: it's like I don't. It's I like it, but it's not. 920 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,520 Speaker 1: It's not my favorite. But um it's like, how do 921 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,759 Speaker 1: I even explain it. It's like a girl, um who 922 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 1: I think works at a talent agency in l a 923 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 1: and like because it kind of has a lot of 924 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: like like food and like body stuff, meets this girl 925 00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: who works in a froyo store. Um who she is? 926 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,840 Speaker 1: That what it's called a froio store? Um who right? Exactly? 927 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,919 Speaker 1: Who she like becomes like kind of like sexually obsessed with. 928 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,719 Speaker 1: And that girl is a has like not not quite 929 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,239 Speaker 1: like a full Orthodox family, I don't think so, but 930 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 1: like like a really like uh definitely like conservative Orthodox 931 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: leaning family. And she goes in, she the girl, the 932 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,239 Speaker 1: main girl that goes in, has dinner with them, and 933 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: like is gets into it about Israel and Palestine, and 934 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like I definitely think it's like 935 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: an interesting worthy read and it's pretty funny, but um, yeah, 936 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 1: I honestly, I mean the fact that she works at 937 00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 1: a fio store is that is that I call that 938 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 1: hyper realism. That is truly I feel like I know 939 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: so many people from childhood that worked at at at 940 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: fio joints. There was this um, this ice cream store 941 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: called Oberweise in my hometown that everyone wanted to work for. 942 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: And I remember going to apply and the manager was like, oh, 943 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:05,680 Speaker 1: do you have any qualifications? I was like no, this 944 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: being my first job, and he's like okay, and he 945 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,640 Speaker 1: like pulls out that like stack of like a hundred 946 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 1: applications from like other fourteen year olds to prioritize over mine. 947 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,440 Speaker 1: He got your ass, Yeah, he really did. He was like, 948 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,960 Speaker 1: good luck, um, But yeah, I I honestly so I 949 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 1: fell in love with when I was like around seventeen 950 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: or so with my first boyfriend in a very suburban, 951 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, part of Chicago, And I honestly would would 952 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 1: love to write that story. I think that likes there's 953 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: something about I know that everyone's doing like everyone does 954 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 1: like repressed career love stories. But also on that note, 955 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:46,080 Speaker 1: like I would watch Mormon disobedience like that needs to 956 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,360 Speaker 1: be a thing. Well that's almost that. That's that's there's 957 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: there's like a whole porn category of that, right, But 958 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, famously not not very narrative driven. I mean, 959 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,919 Speaker 1: for you it is because you love the narrative of Yeah, 960 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 1: that's all I care about Um, you if you went home, 961 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 1: do you think you would reunite with your your high 962 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: school lover? No, he ended up being like a total 963 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: dirt bag. Um, but never say never, never say never exactly. 964 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 1: And I think you can find your way back to 965 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 1: each other. And you could spit in him. Yeah, I 966 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: could spit in him. Um we did meet at boy 967 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: Scout camp, another another fundamentalist organization. Yeah, yeah, it's all 968 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:38,000 Speaker 1: full circle. Absolutely absolutely. I think you should. I would watch, 969 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: and I think you should write it, and I think 970 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I have maybe a 971 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: contentious opinion on this because I know that like so 972 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: many like teens in gen Z and like whatever, not 973 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: just I mean not just the youths, but you know, 974 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 1: say like no more repression stories or stories about coming 975 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,760 Speaker 1: out and like whatever. And it's like, for I would 976 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,919 Speaker 1: say most of the queer people that are alive, those 977 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: stories really still resonate and still define a lot of 978 00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: people's lives. And the you know, like the Disobedience and 979 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,280 Speaker 1: Carols of the world. Um, they fucking are hitting, you 980 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean, they hit And like I would watch, 981 00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 1: like I I really like those movies. I find them 982 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,520 Speaker 1: to be really hot. Unfortunately, like maybe something to break 983 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,400 Speaker 1: down in my in a therapy session. But also and 984 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 1: also very true, like yes, it's that we that there's 985 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,440 Speaker 1: a whole generation of queer kids who are like finding 986 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: it easier to come out and like quote unquote live 987 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: authentically or whatever. But for a lot of a lot 988 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,680 Speaker 1: of people around the world, Um, they still can't do 989 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 1: that safely. And a lot of us you know, grew 990 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,440 Speaker 1: up with without having that experience. And so I think 991 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: there is still a lot of power in those stories 992 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,919 Speaker 1: and they are still really hot. They're hot. We need 993 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:58,360 Speaker 1: more hot elder millennial repressed. That's the thing though, is 994 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: like the thing when when people are no more repression 995 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,280 Speaker 1: stories or whatever, which I've probably said before, like really 996 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,680 Speaker 1: like I've probably said it before, but like that's just 997 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, the experienced poisoning effect of like you know, internet, 998 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,160 Speaker 1: the internet and discourse and like and I feel like, um, 999 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: what we're really saying to your point, Jill, is like, 1000 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 1: can you just tell the stories better? Like because no 1001 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,600 Speaker 1: one's complaining about Carol, no one, we would that that 1002 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: movie is so perfect. So we're going to write a 1003 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Hanukkah movie about some kind of you know, queer trends repression, 1004 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: m Jill. You will direct it, Oh my god, Yes, 1005 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be great. It's gonna win an oscar 1006 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,080 Speaker 1: in seven and we're going to It's gonna take us 1007 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,480 Speaker 1: some time to develop, and the fourteen year olds are 1008 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:53,439 Speaker 1: going to run us off social media. Yeah. Absolutely, We're 1009 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: all going to be dead and can yeah exiled like 1010 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: Rachel Weiss slide into our d M s at Like 1011 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,360 Speaker 1: a Virgin. 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