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She would kill her own daughters to get 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.279 away with it. He has a weapon, chopped a gun 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.840 In honor of Valentine's Day. Listen to Crazy and Love 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.639 the entire month of February on the iHeartRadio app, Apple 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:04.000 podcast asked or wherever you get your podcasts? What can 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:13.800 I say? Love? Med Me Crazy? Welcome to Reparations The 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.640 Big Payback, a production of color Farm Media, iHeartRadio and 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.560 The Black Effect podcast Network. I'm Erica Alexander and I 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:26.799 Whitney down. There's no reef reparations and what is needed 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:34.440 for people. We are the ones that were injured, solos 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:40.400 and solos enslavement is stuff. The people who are owed 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.600 for slavery are no longer here. I want to check. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.760 I don't think reparations is a good idea. Everyone should 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.720 be given the damage that was done to their family 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.040 cash payment. I don't want to no government, and though 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.760 reparations should be welcomed by all, some folks may want checks. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.680 But what we're really talking about is closing that wealth 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:13.040 gap and making people hold me here. We are on 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.760 the corner of Wall and Broad Street, one of the 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:21.240 most like famous corners in America. Right, it's the seat 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.640 of capitalism. We're standing at the feet of George Washington, 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.639 founder of our country, who's looking across Wall Street at 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.440 the New York Stock Exchange. Is this it? This is it? 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:39.320 It's smaller than I thought. It looks more oppressive than pictures. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.000 I was doing a little research before we came down 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.080 here Erica. And you know, the value of the companies 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.480 contained in the New York Stock has changes over thirty 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:54.480 trillion dollars. That's ten trillion dollars, more than the nation's 0:03:54.520 --> 0:04:03.200 GDP every year or thirty Amazon and the value and 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.320 the amount of trading that is done every day there 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.920 are out of money that passes through. There is I 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.280 think over one hundred and sixty billion dollars every day. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:14.520 When you think of Wall Street, what do you think 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.120 of I think of this. I mean, it's a lot 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:23.480 of stone. There's all these really beautiful polished bronze doors 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:28.000 with sparkling glass and a lot of really decorative iron 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.880 work around, and it's kind of telling everybody, well, if 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.240 you're a white man, you can come in, but everybody 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.800 else stay out. Meant to intimidate, and it does. It's 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.680 not only intimidating to New Yorkers, but I think it's 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.159 meant to be intimidating to the world. What I didn't 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.640 realize is that directly across the street is Federal Hall's 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:52.919 walk up there a little bit America. We're standing in 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.640 front of Federal Hall Memorial, and that's another gothic building, 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.520 and out in front of it there's a statue of 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.719 George Washington. And it really struck me and I saw us, 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:06.000 here's the founder of our country, and he's looking across 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.160 the street at the stock Exchange as if he's looking 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.359 at the capitalist foundation of the country. But this is 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:18.200 where he took the oath of office upstairs in this building. Wow. Yeah, 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.960 they really did a nice job on the bronze work 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.600 near his crutch. And it matters because you're looking up 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.640 at him and you're meant to see his penis first 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.320 and then go up to his face and follow his 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.640 eyes to the stock Exchange. At least that's not what 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:36.359 I see at our back is George Washington. If we 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.680 look to our right, we can see Trinity Church, the 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.320 oldest church. I think he's one of those churches in 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:47.479 the country, oldest church in New York. If you look 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.840 across the street directly in front of us as a 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:54.000 stock exchange, and then if you look down the street 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.400 to the water, do you know what's down that street 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:03.400 the location of New York's first slave market that was 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:08.320 founded in seventeen eleven. So we should have, like the 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:15.000 four points of the compass, in America, we have politics, money, religion, slavery. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.360 That sounds right. Black people will always make up the 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.360 four points. And in fact none of these things could exist. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:27.400 These politics, that religion, or that money without slavery, And 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.839 that's the unfortunate part. For them to have white freedom 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:38.240 and white success, they needed black bodies. You know, when 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.320 I met you, Whitney, I had no idea that I 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.919 would be stuck with you for this long. We've been 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.560 talking about reparations for two years. It's only been two 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.679 years for us, but it's been one hundred and fifty 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.600 years for our country. Did you ever imagine yourself making 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.080 a project about reparations with a guy named Whitney Burton 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.880 Dow from the colony of Cambridge, Massachusetts. No, like you 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.920 often point out a rolling of a wasp or a colonist. Well, yeah, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.160 I guess if you come from Cambridge, Massachusetts in your 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.680 name Mats Whitney Burton Dow, you look a little whitish. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.160 So yeah, but who better than you to represent for 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.960 your people? Well, if you're talking about white people, yes, yes, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.560 I'm white people. Yeah, you're a guy white people in America. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.760 That's you. Well, Hamas Hollywood. You know you're no pauper. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.920 I've seen your house. If you did, you wouldn't be 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.960 saying that I need reparations just as much as anybody. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.040 I am. No Cambridge Whitney Dow and I didn't just 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.200 pop into people's movie screens and on stages and in 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.320 theaters all over the world. I have an origin story. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.800 We all have origin stories. And origin stories are how 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.960 you live. They don't hopefully determine who you are. Yeah, 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.720 it's about the stories we tell ourselves. And I guess 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.520 story shape our present reality. And I think that's where 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.960 every story starts. Every good story is between reality and myth. Like, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.119 what's possible telling the truth? Well, you're setting a pretty 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.320 high bar that you and I are going to get 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.320 to the truth. Everybody lives different truths now. I think 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.200 your truth is mixed me a lot alive. Thanks for that. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.640 Are you talking about me personally, Erica or collectively as 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:25.640 the white guy here? Both reparations. It's a complicated issue, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.320 and I'm not sure if I'm the right person to 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.920 tell the story with you, Erica. Yeah, I might be 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.520 too white. Well, I'm extra black, I'm extra crispy black. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.080 Does that offset some of my whiteness? Is that what 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.960 you're saying? No, No, you're white. You white. You gotta 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.679 live with it, you know, any of my problem, I'm 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.760 gonna coattail on your blackness here. By the way, this 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.839 is a conversation. If we're going to go on this 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.200 journey about reparations, it ain't about you. No, you would 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.320 say it is about you. But I'm Harry, it's child 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.040 you hear me. I'm here to rescue my people. And 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.160 the last time I checked, we just got a new 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.600 black woman VP. Right now I'm feeling like, ain't nothing 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.240 too big for me? And if not you Whitney, then 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.559 who step up? If we're going to do this, We've 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.800 got to make a plan. We've got to find experts. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.720 We gotta, you know, find people who actually know what 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.400 they're talking about. Oh, just goose your eyes and make 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.280 a wish count to three. Yeah, that's come on. That's 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:25.040 Sheila Jackson Lee. That's Congressional hearing on HR forty nineteen. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.360 America is a place and welcomes the diversity of thought. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.240 We even welcome the diversity of thought among the multi 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:37.079 colored chocolate people that are African Americans. Did you hear 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.120 that multi colored chocolate? Do you see how she got down, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.360 old girl as a warrior? If we were to pay 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.640 reparations today, we would only divide the country further. About 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.520 to turn on him like mister and colored purple. Reparations, 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:58.520 by definition, are only given to victims. Victims had no consent. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.560 What you're supposed to say? I give you permission to 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:07.840 rid Lady Massa. You here comes Donnis, Mister Wakanda, buckle up. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:12.720 We recognize our lineage as a generational trust as inheritance, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.040 and the real dilemma posed by reparations is just that, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:22.880 a dilemma of inheritance. 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This is the New York's Municipal 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.840 slave market sign. But you can look up from this 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.120 site and see Trinity Church, and you can see the 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.440 New York Stock Exchange and the foundation of it all. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.240 The American slavery gets a two by two plaque. No, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.600 I've been here before, but this is the first time 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.480 I'm seeing this, so I'm a little pissed off. I 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.760 don't know why it's not more prominent. I don't know 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.640 why it's just a sign. Look, there's a big old 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.280 statue towards Washington over there. Big buildings that we talked 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.760 about with stones look like it should be here, and 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.000 this looked like it it could be knocked over by 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:28.240 a hard wind. How does it make you feel thinking 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:33.400 about all this, You're visibly upset, You're shaking. I'm much shaking. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.000 I'm upset. I mean, I really wish I could rip 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.640 that sucker out. It's not even worth it being there. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.720 And then also I'm kind of mad because I haven't 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:46.480 been here before. I didn't see it. There are people 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.079 walking through, their immigrants and got their children, they've got 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.760 off their families. They should be able to see it. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.360 There should be the stain of it in New Yorkers 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.400 should have to live with it, they should have to 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.160 learn about it, they should be confronted with it. I 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.439 want them to really acknowledge slavery. I want them to 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.079 give us justice. Black people want justice. We deserve it. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.960 We should have it by any means necessary. And part 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.640 of that justice is that you should not be able 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.480 to come and walk by a slave market marker and 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.080 not be moved by it, or at least have to 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:25.720 reckon with it or see it. That was so brutal. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.920 Being there with you, Erica, someone who I care about, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.960 and seeing the vistal reaction, the pain that it caused 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.720 you to be there, it left me feeling kind of helpless. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.240 And I know that if i'd been alone, If I 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.000 had been there by myself, I would have find some 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.760 way to push myself away from it and the absurdity 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.880 of it and just kind of intellectualize it. Where being 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.080 there with you forced me to own it a bit. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.600 But that's my problem, not yours. It is your problem 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.680 and black people's burden to bear. I mean, we gave 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.640 you money and pay the big on your loan. Who 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.840 needs bootstraps when they've got friends like you, Whitney. That's 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.720 what I mean earlier when I said your truth is 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.520 filled with a lot of lies. These realities they show 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.600 up for me every day. Meanwhile, you're underwater thinking your 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:21.040 real estate has value. What I'm thinking about is solutions, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.280 And I really believe the only way towards a true 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:29.800 reconciliation is to create a funded reparations program. And white 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.560 Americans do you have to decide if they want to 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.240 rise with Black Americans or fall with them. I see you, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.920 Whitney down. You're doing something. I mean, you're here, you're 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.680 working on it, you're talking about it, But don't expect 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.240 the parade or props or showing up to clean up 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.240 the mess you've made. Yeah, it is a big mess 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.200 and Erica. You've told me in the past that you 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.680 feel like James Baldwin or taught in the Hasse Coats 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.400 has said that you don't really believe, you don't really 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.640 have faith that white people of the ability to change. 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.920 And I totally understand that if I were black, I 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.640 imagine I would feel the exact same way, and especially 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.680 looking at the events the last you know, a few 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.760 weeks and we've had three or four thousand white people 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.800 storming the Capitol and it looks horrible. Those images were 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.360 just like atrocious. But at the same time, we've also 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.080 had millions of white people in the street marching alongside 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.360 black and brown people protesting police violence. So that does 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.960 make me a little optimistic. I hope it doesn't sound 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.160 corny that I do believe we can change, right, Maybe 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.600 I feel like I kind of have to believe we 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.600 can change. Like in Evanston, Illinois, things are changing. I've 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.040 known his reparation Robin and rolls of parks. Now, so 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:51.120 that's different. How about that she's a rock star. Four 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.080 hundred years after the first enslaved Africans got off the boat, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.560 Alderman Robin Ruth Simmons passes the first Reparations bill in 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.600 a man Erica, oh Man, talk about the long arc. 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.000 You got to keep an eye on her. We will, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:12.760 but I want to show you something first. So Erica, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.080 tell me what do you see here? What were you 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:19.520 walking up to? Oh, we're Duanne in Elk Street and 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.720 it says African burial ground way. So they're building a 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.080 federal building at two hundred fifty six million dollar building. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.040 And when they broke ground on if they discovered this 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:33.760 burial ground, what does this say here? Changing landscape obscures 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:38.600 the past. The African burial ground was labeled Negroes Burial 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:43.160 Ground on the seventeen fifty five map at right. Colonial 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.920 New York laws banned African funerals and officially consecrated graveyards, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:52.760 prohibited gatherings of large numbers of enslaved Africans, and decreed 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.760 that funerals had to be held during daylight. Nonetheless, Africans 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.840 and their descendants held burial ceremonies in amentary outside the 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.440 city wall, near a ravine. As New York City expanded northeast. 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.040 The burial ground was closed in seventeen ninety four and 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.520 eventually divided into lots for sale the land was filled 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.760 in and buildings were constructed on top. For almost two centuries, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.560 New York City's growth obscured the graves, and the African 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.840 burial ground was nearly forgotten. So we tried to put 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.920 a Starbucks on it. It's a metaphor, right, The foundation 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.600 is African Americans. Americans built on top of it. They 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:34.160 turned their barrel ground into real estate. But that foundation 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:38.640 wasn't paid for. It was paid for in blood, guts 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:44.240 and suffering. I think fifty of the people buried here 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.960 were children. So we talk about reparations for work and 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:54.719 value created, but what about reparations for all the people 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.399 that were destroyed by it? At fifty percent of it 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.760 as children, the people who actually never had a life. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.760 So this is showing the levels of different centuries and 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.920 what they built on top of those coffins. It's a diagram. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.119 We're a ground level, right, Yeah, We're a ground level. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.960 So on top there's three different centuries. In the lowest, 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.880 righty year at least is the seventeen hundreds. People were 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.400 buried in individual coffins up to three deep. But that 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:27.800 looks exactly like the slave ship diagrams coming across. That's 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.240 interesting from Africa. So they went out like they came in. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:37.280 That's a cold, cold thought. Let's walk up to the 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:45.480 next marker. This one is says Africans in early New 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:50.080 York before the American Revolution, New York had more enslaved Africans. 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.960 It's most valuable commodity than any other colony in the North. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.199 You're leaving out the most important thing here. It's not 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.840 that these people were just here, they say, and they 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.719 give an account of their work. Women sewed, cooked, harvest, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.480 didn't cared for owners, children, labors tore up cobblestone streets, 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.240 dug trenches, laid and joined the pipe sections, and filled 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.320 in the trenches. Pay one dollar a day in slave 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:16.679 workers wages went to their owners. That's real. Yeah. And 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.159 you know, one of the reasons why the slave market 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.960 was established down on Wall Street was because there were 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:28.320 so many enslaved Africans here and the actual way the 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.960 labor pool was structured wasn't really structure. There to sending 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.800 people out in the street to earn money, and they 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.440 wanted to sort of like codify into something more structure. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.280 By the way, this whole thing is about white fear. Yeah, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.200 you should be fucking afraid because if we ever get 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:46.080 what we deserve and if we ever start to balance 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.400 those books, there ain't no stopping us. And it's over. 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.359 It's not just the rebrowning of America, it's the black 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.119 nation coming into its own. So yeah, they try to 0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:02.120 bury us too black, too strong. From seventeen ninety four 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.680 and estimated fifteen thousand enslaved in Free Africans were laid 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.880 to rest in the African Fifteen thousand bodies are here. 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:14.080 Seven burial mounds mark the locations of the re internments. 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.320 Oh here, they are over here, So this is it. 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.960 Look at the mounds here? Oh my god, Now to me, 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:25.400 this is significant. My god, look at that. What does 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.280 it make you feel to stand here and look at this? Well, 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.320 I'm very proud. I'm glad to see them. And I 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.640 don't know I gained comfort from them being here. I'd 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.720 come out here and eat my lunch with them. What 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.960 do you think? It's funny because you know, you look 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.879 over at the stone and it's all representational. This is 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.119 so much more concrete. These are real burial mounds. And 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.480 knowing that the remains line underneath it, and knowing that 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.480 they're aligned in a certain way with their heads facing Africa. 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:04.000 I think it's beautiful. It's beautiful. Hi. I'm Hillary Clinton, 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.800 and I'm excited to be back with a new season 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.560 of you and Me both. 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I feel like I did. 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.040 I'm not on a thousand percent I want to say 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.879 that was I tossed that without Listen to the Welcome 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:13.520 to Our Show podcast on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:24.400 or wherever you got your podcasts, and they shall rise again. Hey, 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:28.800 you know they give tours of this stuff. M Black 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:34.240 Gotham thirty books. Totally worth it. Definitely, I'd buy several tickets. 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.400 I got to take my mom and show her all 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.480 these hidden gems because she's agree in the family. Oh man, 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.359 it's a shame because no matter how hard she worked 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:46.919 with me, it wasn't enough, and she won't live to 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:52.040 see a new world that's created through the application of reparations. 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:56.159 So like the Africans, underneath those buildings, it's gonna be 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.600