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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and

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Speaker 1: there's chuck and this is short stuff, a very special

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Speaker 1: sandwich edition between our very special two part episode on Sitcoms. Right, chuck,

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Speaker 1: Insert Laugh track, Jerry. That's right, nicely done, Jerry. So Um,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about laugh tracks. Everybody knows what a laugh

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Speaker 1: track is. It's also sometimes called canned laughter and if

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Speaker 1: it's been around for seventies, seventy years a little over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's a really cool story, uh, and that they

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Speaker 1: discovered there was a problem early on with live studio

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Speaker 1: problem because people are stupid. And so, UH CBS sound

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Speaker 1: engineer named Charlie Douglas said, you know what, I think

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Speaker 1: I can crack this thing. They've been using laugh tracks

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Speaker 1: and radio forever. Um. Why don't I see if I

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Speaker 1: you have to be pretty selective when you're recording laughter

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Speaker 1: or actors are giving dialogue. Still. So Red Skelton had

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Speaker 1: So was the mime Marcel Marceau, and so he started

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Speaker 1: recording any kind of laughter. He didn't he put it

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Speaker 1: a very rudimentary attempt at a laugh track made his

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Speaker 1: debut in nineteen fifty on a show I've never heard

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Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, and Douglas got pretty into this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And the coolest thing about all of this is he

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Speaker 1: I want to think about it. Now. What kind of

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Speaker 1: to talk about how laugh tracks were received right after this.

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Speaker 1: All right. Did People like laugh tracks? No, yes and no.

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Speaker 1: this stuff. I think I agree. All right. Well, chuck agreed.

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