WEBVTT - Short Stuff: China's Corpse Walkers

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck. It's just us, but Jerry and Dave are

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<v Speaker 1>here in spirit. And speaking of spirits, we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty spooky, real life Halloween adjacent episode even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>a real deal custom over in China.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, because Spooky Month continues. It's stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're gonna go Chuck today to the Xiangxi region.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way you can't see a region like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know of Hunan Province.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you're doing great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's in south central China. And if you go there,

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<v Speaker 1>local custom will tell you that if somebody dies is

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<v Speaker 1>if someone dies away from their home, especially their birthplace,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to return back to it to be buried,

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<v Speaker 1>because if they don't, they will have a restless spirit

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<v Speaker 1>that vexes the living, maybe even possessing them. The thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes people do die away from home, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>remedy for this that the people in Hunan Province have

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<v Speaker 1>come up with, and that is to walk the corpse

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<v Speaker 1>back home to be buried.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, And if not, then you're just going to

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<v Speaker 3>be cursed to wander the earth. Pretty upset, harassing people,

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<v Speaker 3>possessing people. And here's the thing. If you lived in

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<v Speaker 3>rural China back then, and you were a rural peasant,

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<v Speaker 3>you probably died pretty close to home because you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>travel that much, so it wasn't that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But occasionally you might find yourself away from home and

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<v Speaker 3>you need to get walked backed. And this is a

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<v Speaker 3>tradition that dates back to sixteen sixteen and continued into

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<v Speaker 3>the twentieth century.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Qing dynasty apparently is where it finds its roots,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea that they were doing this in the

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<v Speaker 1>sixties potentially even pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was Mao who stamped it out because it

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<v Speaker 1>was superstitious and therefore counter revolutionary. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it still goes on in little random pockets, although it's

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<v Speaker 1>much easier to get a corpse back home these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, traditionally used to be, and you never.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, maybe maybe so. But traditionally, speaking of tradition, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Taoist priests who were responsible for walking corpses

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<v Speaker 1>back home. And to do this, Chuck, They basically had

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<v Speaker 1>two options available. One was much more efficient than the other.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one was corpse walking, which is essentially what

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like. The thing is. We should say this here, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we've emphasized this enough. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a magical event, yeah, where a Taoist priest basically reanimated

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<v Speaker 1>a corpse enough to have it walk behind him to

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<v Speaker 1>be led by the Taois priest back home to be buried.

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<v Speaker 1>This dead person would walk back home with the Taoist priest.

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<v Speaker 3>That's corpse walking, Yeah, for days, weeks, months, depending on

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<v Speaker 3>how far away they were from home. The priest would

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<v Speaker 3>carry a lantern that was a light both day and night,

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<v Speaker 3>although they would usually do this at night because as

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see, it was very bad luck for residents of

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<v Speaker 3>villages that they would go through to see this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of thing happening. So eventually they would have people runners

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<v Speaker 3>out in front even saying like hey, we got a

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<v Speaker 3>corpse coming. I think they were banging a gong to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of warn everybody. The corpse is behind the priest,

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<v Speaker 3>like we said, very very tall, dressed in a black

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<v Speaker 3>robe and just following the directions of the priest saying yoho, yoho.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just so the corpse knew which way

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<v Speaker 3>to go go right.

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<v Speaker 1>They would be like, yoho, yoho, we got a pothole

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<v Speaker 1>coming up on the right, right, and the corpse would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like walk around the pothole right. And there

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<v Speaker 1>was one other thing you would see. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>this priest leading this tall corpse dressed in a black

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<v Speaker 1>robe back home, you would probably see a black cat

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<v Speaker 1>running along with them. Of course, they essentially did not

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<v Speaker 1>ever travel without a black cat, because this is how

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<v Speaker 1>the corpse was reanimated. Every day, or I should say

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<v Speaker 1>every night, when the priest and the corpse took their

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<v Speaker 1>journey back up, the black cat would rub itself all

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<v Speaker 1>over the corpse several times. And the idea was the

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<v Speaker 1>static electricity from the cat's fur was what reanimated the

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<v Speaker 1>corpse to move again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take a quick moment since you mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>cat to tell people who have not yet seen that

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<v Speaker 3>I have a new kitten that I think we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to keep now. And it's all on my Instagram at

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck the podcast or the story of Olivia being rescued

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<v Speaker 3>from the undercarriage of a car Wow and very sick

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<v Speaker 3>with worms and bacterium and seemingly near death and had

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<v Speaker 3>her little butttholest it shut and then unstitched. It was

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<v Speaker 3>quite a ride. We thought we were gonna lose her,

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<v Speaker 3>then we nursed her back to health. We thought there's

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<v Speaker 3>no way we can keep her because our dog Gibson

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<v Speaker 3>has no chill.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turns out they are in love.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Chuck, that is a wonderful story.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wonderful so that the other two cats are gonna

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<v Speaker 3>hate this, but as I said on Instagram, they can

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<v Speaker 3>get bent because I think Olivia is staying and she's

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<v Speaker 3>very cute. And you can go check out the story.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been wildly popular on my Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Well, welcome to the family, Olivia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, But Olivia was not a black cat.

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<v Speaker 3>And since I took so much time with that story,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we should take a break and finish up with

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<v Speaker 3>corpse walkers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do that. So, Chuck, I said that there

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<v Speaker 1>were two ways for a Dallas priest to lead a

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<v Speaker 1>corpse back home. The first one was corpse walking, which

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked about. It was a priest and a corpse.

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<v Speaker 1>The much more efficient version is corpse herding, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>very much like how today, if somebody's transporting a car

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<v Speaker 1>for an owner, they're gonna transport more than one at

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<v Speaker 1>a time, and they're gonna group the cars together on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of a truck by the region that they're

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<v Speaker 1>all going to. This was basically the concept behind corpse herding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there were more priests involved because there were more corpses,

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<v Speaker 3>so you'd had like, you know, a priest upfront, priest

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<v Speaker 3>in the back, maybe a couple of priests.

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<v Speaker 2>On the sides. I think this is when.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about the runner being out front. I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is when they had their runners, yep, that would

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<v Speaker 3>warn the townsfolk that they were coming.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way it's described sounds to me like have you.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever seen a at a like an NBA game. They'll have

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<v Speaker 3>somebody come out at halftime, and it's like a guy

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<v Speaker 3>that's dancing like like you know, some popular performer, but

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<v Speaker 3>he's got like a curtain rod running through his outfit

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<v Speaker 3>on the top and attached them at the bottom, and

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<v Speaker 3>there are fake, you know, dummies of people, and every

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<v Speaker 3>movement he's making with the rods, they're making an exact

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<v Speaker 3>same time, so it appears as if there's like five

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<v Speaker 3>people dancing in synchronicity.

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<v Speaker 1>There's essentially nothing more hilarious that you can see than that.

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<v Speaker 2>See you know what I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely, is that what this is sort of like,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's how I pictured it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of This was instead of them being on either

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<v Speaker 1>side of the priest, they would be in a single

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<v Speaker 1>file line, all following behind the lead priest. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there'd be priests on either side kind of

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<v Speaker 1>corralling them in because you didn't want walking corpses kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wander off and you know, try to possess somebody

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<v Speaker 1>or steel their cheek. And it did bear some similarities

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<v Speaker 1>to what you're talking about. We'll see that in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to talk about a Chinese American writer

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<v Speaker 1>named Louise Hung who wrote an account, a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>account of her grandfather's experience way back in the day

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<v Speaker 1>when he was a young boy. She posted it on

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<v Speaker 1>the Order of the Good Death website, which we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about them a million times over the years, but just

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of summarize, if I may please, her grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>and his brother lived in a town where a corpse

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<v Speaker 1>procession walked through and they heard the gong coming and

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<v Speaker 1>they were hiding with everybody else in town, just keeping

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<v Speaker 1>out of sight, but they were brave enough to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of peek out, and they saw, she says, a line

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<v Speaker 1>of corpses lurching, hopping, swaying through the streets to the

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<v Speaker 1>beat of the gong. They saw white cloths covering the

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<v Speaker 1>heads of the dead faces positioned up and forward, supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>looking toward their final resting place. Yeah, and so like

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<v Speaker 1>this happened, like this is not like this, like there

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<v Speaker 1>weren't like legends of corpse walking, right, these happened in

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<v Speaker 1>real life. And if you say, I don't really believe

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<v Speaker 1>in magic, Daoist or otherwise, I don't really think a

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<v Speaker 1>black cat's static electricity could reanimated corpse if this actually happened, guys, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on? Guys?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a cat would be more likely to eat the

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<v Speaker 3>nose off of that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, which is probably something you had to watch

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<v Speaker 1>out for.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what really was going on and it was really

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<v Speaker 3>going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, is that was a Dallas priest.

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<v Speaker 3>And Louise Hung even said, Hey, I'm not even sure

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<v Speaker 3>all these people were Dallas priests. I think they might

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<v Speaker 3>have just been doing the job and kind of saying that.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the case of the solo corpse walker, it

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<v Speaker 3>would be a Dallas priest carrying a corpse on their

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<v Speaker 3>back with a bamboo pole stuck up the back to

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<v Speaker 3>hold them upright as if they were alive, and a

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<v Speaker 3>big black robe draped over both of them, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the old bits with someone on your shoulders in

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<v Speaker 3>a big long trench coat exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why the corpses that were in a single corpse

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<v Speaker 1>walking procession always were very tall, that's right, because they

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<v Speaker 1>were on the back of another priest who was hiding.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to be clear, they didn't like impale the

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<v Speaker 1>dead person on the bamboo pole. It was like tied

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<v Speaker 1>to them. Yeah. So they The way that they did

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<v Speaker 1>this was they could see kind of through the black robe.

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<v Speaker 1>They could see the lantern enough to be led. And

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<v Speaker 1>remember the priests in front would be like, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>pothole coming up on the right, Yoho, yoho. So they

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<v Speaker 1>would do this and then obviously they would switch off

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<v Speaker 1>night tonight who would carry the corpse and who would

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<v Speaker 1>do the processing. That was how corpse walking worked. Corpse

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<v Speaker 1>herding also used bamboo poles, but they used them horizontally,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like you were talking about with the basketball

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<v Speaker 1>halftime guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, I'm glad it didn't spoil that because people

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<v Speaker 3>are probably just very confused about what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it sounds like they are all tied to

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<v Speaker 3>the pole and the pole kind of runs under their arms,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what kind of made me think of the dancer.

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<v Speaker 2>I should get one of those systems. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy those.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, surely they can't. I'll be homemade, yeah, or make one.

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<v Speaker 2>How hard could that be?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's a halftime basketball dancer being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find out, pal, it's really hard.

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<v Speaker 3>That'd be a fun Yeah, that'd be a fun Halloween

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<v Speaker 3>get up. I already have my or I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>the outfit, but I have my idea this year. So

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do it this year. I'll pri to you

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<v Speaker 3>it next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you reveal your idea on this episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>If you saw the Righteous Gemstones, I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 3>baby Billy Walton Goggins, brilliant character.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, awesome. Oh so wait, hold on one second. About

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<v Speaker 1>the bamboo poles. Yeah, there would be two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>one running under each arm of the corpses. So basically

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<v Speaker 1>they were hanging the corpses by their arms by bamboo poles.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the poles would be the ends of poles would

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<v Speaker 1>be carried by a priest in front and back on

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<v Speaker 1>their shoulders, and the way that those two priests would

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<v Speaker 1>walk it would get telegraphed through the bamboo poles, which

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<v Speaker 1>would make the corpses look like they were just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bouncing around. Their feet would probably hit the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and touch it here or there, so it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>they were walking in line behind the Dallist priests.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that nuts, and they would say, NBA, it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I don't think there's anything that could top

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<v Speaker 1>that chuck. So I say short stuff is out.

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