1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: there's Chuck. It's just us, but Jerry and Dave are 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: here in spirit. And speaking of spirits, we've got a 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: pretty spooky, real life Halloween adjacent episode even though it's 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: a real deal custom over in China. 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: That's right, because Spooky Month continues. It's stuff you should know. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna go Chuck today to the Xiangxi region. 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: There's no way you can't see a region like that. 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: I know of Hunan Province. 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're doing great. 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: That's in south central China. And if you go there, 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: local custom will tell you that if somebody dies is 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: if someone dies away from their home, especially their birthplace, 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: they have to return back to it to be buried, 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: because if they don't, they will have a restless spirit 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: that vexes the living, maybe even possessing them. The thing is, 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: sometimes people do die away from home, and there's a 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: remedy for this that the people in Hunan Province have 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: come up with, and that is to walk the corpse 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: back home to be buried. 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: That's right, And if not, then you're just going to 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 3: be cursed to wander the earth. Pretty upset, harassing people, 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 3: possessing people. And here's the thing. If you lived in 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: rural China back then, and you were a rural peasant, 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 3: you probably died pretty close to home because you didn't 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: travel that much, so it wasn't that big of a deal. 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: But occasionally you might find yourself away from home and 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 3: you need to get walked backed. And this is a 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: tradition that dates back to sixteen sixteen and continued into 30 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: the twentieth century. 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Qing dynasty apparently is where it finds its roots, 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: and the idea that they were doing this in the 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: sixties potentially even pretty interesting. 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 35 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: Apparently it was Mao who stamped it out because it 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: was superstitious and therefore counter revolutionary. I don't know if 37 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: it still goes on in little random pockets, although it's 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: much easier to get a corpse back home these days. 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, traditionally used to be, and you never. 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Know, maybe maybe so. But traditionally, speaking of tradition, it 41 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: was the Taoist priests who were responsible for walking corpses 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: back home. And to do this, Chuck, They basically had 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: two options available. One was much more efficient than the other. 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: The first one was corpse walking, which is essentially what 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: it sounds like. The thing is. We should say this here, like, 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've emphasized this enough. This was 47 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: a magical event, yeah, where a Taoist priest basically reanimated 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: a corpse enough to have it walk behind him to 49 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: be led by the Taois priest back home to be buried. 50 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: This dead person would walk back home with the Taoist priest. 51 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: That's corpse walking, Yeah, for days, weeks, months, depending on 52 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: how far away they were from home. The priest would 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 3: carry a lantern that was a light both day and night, 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: although they would usually do this at night because as 55 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: we'll see, it was very bad luck for residents of 56 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: villages that they would go through to see this kind 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: of thing happening. So eventually they would have people runners 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: out in front even saying like hey, we got a 59 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: corpse coming. I think they were banging a gong to 60 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: kind of warn everybody. The corpse is behind the priest, 61 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: like we said, very very tall, dressed in a black 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: robe and just following the directions of the priest saying yoho, yoho. 63 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: You know, it's just so the corpse knew which way 64 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: to go go right. 65 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: They would be like, yoho, yoho, we got a pothole 66 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: coming up on the right, right, and the corpse would 67 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: kind of like walk around the pothole right. And there 68 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: was one other thing you would see. In addition to 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: this priest leading this tall corpse dressed in a black 70 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: robe back home, you would probably see a black cat 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: running along with them. Of course, they essentially did not 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: ever travel without a black cat, because this is how 73 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: the corpse was reanimated. Every day, or I should say 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: every night, when the priest and the corpse took their 75 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: journey back up, the black cat would rub itself all 76 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: over the corpse several times. And the idea was the 77 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: static electricity from the cat's fur was what reanimated the 78 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: corpse to move again. 79 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 80 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: I'm going to take a quick moment since you mentioned 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: cat to tell people who have not yet seen that 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 3: I have a new kitten that I think we're going 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: to keep now. And it's all on my Instagram at 84 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 3: Chuck the podcast or the story of Olivia being rescued 85 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: from the undercarriage of a car Wow and very sick 86 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: with worms and bacterium and seemingly near death and had 87 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: her little butttholest it shut and then unstitched. It was 88 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: quite a ride. We thought we were gonna lose her, 89 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: then we nursed her back to health. We thought there's 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: no way we can keep her because our dog Gibson 91 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: has no chill. 92 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: And it turns out they are in love. 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Chuck, that is a wonderful story. 94 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: It's wonderful so that the other two cats are gonna 95 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: hate this, but as I said on Instagram, they can 96 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: get bent because I think Olivia is staying and she's 97 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: very cute. And you can go check out the story. 98 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: It's been wildly popular on my Instagram. 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, welcome to the family, Olivia. 100 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: That's right, But Olivia was not a black cat. 101 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: And since I took so much time with that story, 102 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: maybe we should take a break and finish up with 103 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: corpse walkers. 104 00:05:38,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that. So, Chuck, I said that there 105 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: were two ways for a Dallas priest to lead a 106 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: corpse back home. The first one was corpse walking, which 107 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: we just talked about. It was a priest and a corpse. 108 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: The much more efficient version is corpse herding, and it's 109 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: very much like how today, if somebody's transporting a car 110 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: for an owner, they're gonna transport more than one at 111 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: a time, and they're gonna group the cars together on 112 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: the back of a truck by the region that they're 113 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: all going to. This was basically the concept behind corpse herding. 114 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, there were more priests involved because there were more corpses, 115 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: so you'd had like, you know, a priest upfront, priest 116 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: in the back, maybe a couple of priests. 117 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 2: On the sides. I think this is when. 118 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: We talk about the runner being out front. I think 119 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: this is when they had their runners, yep, that would 120 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: warn the townsfolk that they were coming. 121 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: And the way it's described sounds to me like have you. 122 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: Ever seen a at a like an NBA game. They'll have 123 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: somebody come out at halftime, and it's like a guy 124 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: that's dancing like like you know, some popular performer, but 125 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: he's got like a curtain rod running through his outfit 126 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 3: on the top and attached them at the bottom, and 127 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: there are fake, you know, dummies of people, and every 128 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: movement he's making with the rods, they're making an exact 129 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: same time, so it appears as if there's like five 130 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: people dancing in synchronicity. 131 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: There's essentially nothing more hilarious that you can see than that. 132 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 2: See you know what I'm talking about? 133 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, is that what this is sort of like, 134 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: because that's how I pictured it. 135 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: Sort of This was instead of them being on either 136 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: side of the priest, they would be in a single 137 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: file line, all following behind the lead priest. Oh okay, 138 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: and then there'd be priests on either side kind of 139 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: corralling them in because you didn't want walking corpses kind 140 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: of wander off and you know, try to possess somebody 141 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: or steel their cheek. And it did bear some similarities 142 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: to what you're talking about. We'll see that in a second. 143 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about a Chinese American writer 144 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: named Louise Hung who wrote an account, a really interesting 145 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: account of her grandfather's experience way back in the day 146 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: when he was a young boy. She posted it on 147 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: the Order of the Good Death website, which we've talked 148 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: about them a million times over the years, but just 149 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: to kind of summarize, if I may please, her grandfather 150 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: and his brother lived in a town where a corpse 151 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: procession walked through and they heard the gong coming and 152 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: they were hiding with everybody else in town, just keeping 153 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: out of sight, but they were brave enough to kind 154 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: of peek out, and they saw, she says, a line 155 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: of corpses lurching, hopping, swaying through the streets to the 156 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: beat of the gong. They saw white cloths covering the 157 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: heads of the dead faces positioned up and forward, supposedly 158 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: looking toward their final resting place. Yeah, and so like 159 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: this happened, like this is not like this, like there 160 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: weren't like legends of corpse walking, right, these happened in 161 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: real life. And if you say, I don't really believe 162 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: in magic, Daoist or otherwise, I don't really think a 163 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: black cat's static electricity could reanimated corpse if this actually happened, guys, guys, 164 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: what was going on? Guys? 165 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, a cat would be more likely to eat the 166 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: nose off of that person. 167 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, which is probably something you had to watch 168 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: out for. 169 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, what really was going on and it was really 170 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: going on? 171 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: Like you said, is that was a Dallas priest. 172 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 3: And Louise Hung even said, Hey, I'm not even sure 173 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: all these people were Dallas priests. I think they might 174 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 3: have just been doing the job and kind of saying that. 175 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: But in the case of the solo corpse walker, it 176 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: would be a Dallas priest carrying a corpse on their 177 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: back with a bamboo pole stuck up the back to 178 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: hold them upright as if they were alive, and a 179 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: big black robe draped over both of them, kind of 180 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: like the old bits with someone on your shoulders in 181 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: a big long trench coat exactly. 182 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: That's why the corpses that were in a single corpse 183 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: walking procession always were very tall, that's right, because they 184 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: were on the back of another priest who was hiding. 185 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: And just to be clear, they didn't like impale the 186 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: dead person on the bamboo pole. It was like tied 187 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: to them. Yeah. So they The way that they did 188 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: this was they could see kind of through the black robe. 189 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: They could see the lantern enough to be led. And 190 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: remember the priests in front would be like, there's a 191 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: pothole coming up on the right, Yoho, yoho. So they 192 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: would do this and then obviously they would switch off 193 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: night tonight who would carry the corpse and who would 194 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: do the processing. That was how corpse walking worked. Corpse 195 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: herding also used bamboo poles, but they used them horizontally, 196 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of like you were talking about with the basketball 197 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: halftime guy. 198 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm glad it didn't spoil that because people 199 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: are probably just very confused about what I was talking about. 200 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, it sounds like they are all tied to 201 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: the pole and the pole kind of runs under their arms, 202 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: and that's what kind of made me think of the dancer. 203 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 2: I should get one of those systems. I'm sure you 204 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: can buy those. 205 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: Right, surely they can't. I'll be homemade, yeah, or make one. 206 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: How hard could that be? 207 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a halftime basketball dancer being like, yeah, 208 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: you'll find out, pal, it's really hard. 209 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 3: That'd be a fun Yeah, that'd be a fun Halloween 210 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: get up. I already have my or I don't have 211 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: the outfit, but I have my idea this year. So 212 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: I can't do it this year. I'll pri to you 213 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: it next year. 214 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: Can you reveal your idea on this episode? 215 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? 216 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 3: If you saw the Righteous Gemstones, I'm going to be 217 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: baby Billy Walton Goggins, brilliant character. 218 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: Okay, awesome. Oh so wait, hold on one second. About 219 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: the bamboo poles. Yeah, there would be two of them, 220 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: one running under each arm of the corpses. So basically 221 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: they were hanging the corpses by their arms by bamboo poles. 222 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: Then the poles would be the ends of poles would 223 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: be carried by a priest in front and back on 224 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: their shoulders, and the way that those two priests would 225 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: walk it would get telegraphed through the bamboo poles, which 226 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: would make the corpses look like they were just kind 227 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: of bouncing around. Their feet would probably hit the ground 228 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: and touch it here or there, so it looked like 229 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: they were walking in line behind the Dallist priests. 230 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: That's that nuts, and they would say, NBA, it's fantastic. 231 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: That's right. I don't think there's anything that could top 232 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: that chuck. So I say short stuff is out. 233 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 234 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 235 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.