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Speaker 1: and let's jump in with two feet and let's start
Speaker 1: with the changes that we've seen so far year over year,
Speaker 1: and let's start with Detroit because there's been a whole
Speaker 1: lot of change. And gentlemen, when you lose your offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in offseason, that's stuff. When you lose your defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in offseason, that's rough. Then you lose your passing
Speaker 1: game coordinator Tanner Extra and he's gone too. And the
Speaker 1: worst part is the offensive coordinator that you lost just
Speaker 1: went in the division and became the head coach, and
Speaker 1: now you gotta change the whole playbook. Terrell Furman Junior.
Speaker 1: I think the Detroit Lions are going through it right now.
Speaker 1: They still got a great roster, they still got a
Speaker 1: lot going for them. But this is a lot of
Speaker 1: chit chit chich changes in one offseason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of changes and a lot of optimism
Speaker 2: that they're just gonna pick it up and go right
Speaker 2: where they left off. And they might go right where
Speaker 2: they left off, because the last thing that we saw
Speaker 2: from them was them getting destroyed by the Commanders, So
Speaker 2: it might. I don't want to jump into it too much,
Speaker 2: but I'll say this is that I change comes with
Speaker 2: a lot of things, and with change, it's going to
Speaker 2: be either positive or negative reaction. I think it's a
Speaker 2: lot of negative reaction here. The Lions looked unbeatable for
Speaker 2: a good portion of that season last year. I don't
Speaker 2: think they're gonna look like that next year.
Speaker 1: I can't believe this. Terrell and I starting off holding hands.
Speaker 1: Usually we just argue on the show for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Today we're in agreement. I think it's too much. I
Speaker 1: really do in this cock eyed optimism Andrew that everything's
Speaker 1: just fine in Detroit. I don't share it. I know
Speaker 1: they had a lot of injuries last year, especially in
Speaker 1: the defensive side, and E wants to make excuses, But
Speaker 1: the one excuse that you know you can't make anymore
Speaker 1: is that, well, you don't have enough big game experience here.
Speaker 1: Because Dan Campbell every time he gets into big games,
Speaker 1: those teams don't seem prepared or they don't seem to
Speaker 1: make the right decisions. And now you got to make
Speaker 1: more decisions with a bunch of new offensive and defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: And I keep coming back to that same thing as like,
Speaker 1: you know the guy who you're gonna play twice now,
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson in Chicago, he knows exactly what you do.
Speaker 1: You got to change a lot of what you do,
Speaker 1: a lot of the verbiage of what you do, otherwise
Speaker 1: they might be able to upset you for one of
Speaker 1: those games, if not two. I'm just saying, when they
Speaker 1: understand your game plan, your playbook, that's really tough. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like that's the end all be all.
Speaker 1: The lines are still a great roster. But we've seen
Speaker 1: historically when teams lose Super Bowls and lose coordinators, or
Speaker 1: win Super Bowls and lose coordinators all of a sudden
Speaker 1: next year, they don't look the same. This team didn't
Speaker 1: even get to a Super Bowl and they lost their coordinators.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of moving pieces with the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five Detroit Lions, highlighted by the coordinators leaving passing
Speaker 3: game coordinators. But I look at it from that's nothing.
Speaker 3: The extent you see center Frank Ragno, he's gone. How
Speaker 3: good is this offensive line if they hit one or
Speaker 3: two injuries. I know you talked about at the beginning.
Speaker 3: Their defense just absolutely ravaged by injuries last year, but
Speaker 3: their offense stayed pretty healthy for the majority of the season.
Speaker 3: So if that flips, well, if I'm a backer of
Speaker 3: the Lions, I would rather have their offense stay healthy
Speaker 3: and their defense be terrible again and get injured, because
Speaker 3: we see year over year what's stickier. Good offenses continue
Speaker 3: to be good, whereas defenses fluctuate a little bit more so,
Speaker 3: even if the defense improves but then the offense gets
Speaker 3: a little bit more banged up, I think that's going
Speaker 3: to result in probably more losses in that particular column.
Speaker 3: So I would like to give more credit to Dan
Speaker 3: Campbell because I do think that he is a good
Speaker 3: head coach, and we look at his against the spread record.
Speaker 3: I mean he's number one. He's been number one basically
Speaker 3: since that mid season point during I think his rookie
Speaker 3: year as the head coach, and he's always performed above expectation.
Speaker 3: But now the hand that he's dealt. I think that
Speaker 3: this is like when you highlight regression, it's just a
Speaker 3: picture of the twenty twenty five Lions, just everything kind
Speaker 3: of coming back down to earth. So, even though they'll
Speaker 3: be competitive, I don't want to be on the overside
Speaker 3: and optimistic side of them this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, more on this as we get to the division
Speaker 1: winner here, but first let's get to the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: new head coach Ben Johnson. I think he's a good
Speaker 1: offensive mind. I'm still not sold that he's a head
Speaker 1: coach in this league. We'll see. But Keenan Allen's gone,
Speaker 1: Luther Burden was drafted Kyle Manongui, who I like a lot.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be the David Montgomery in
Speaker 1: this offense personally, ericson the Bears have a lot of turnover,
Speaker 1: a lot of change. I know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: optimism that things are going to get better and they
Speaker 1: probably can't get much worse now. The Bears defensively kind
Speaker 1: of competitive, there offensively hot mess, no instruction going on
Speaker 1: for a young quarterback. You hope that that change, but
Speaker 1: the question is how long does it take to really
Speaker 1: put that all into effect? For the Caleb Williams Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson new regime change.
Speaker 3: Well, if you're a Bears fan or part of the
Speaker 3: Bears roster hoping, it's Week one against the Vikings on
Speaker 3: Monday Night football at Soldier Field, So they're really hoping
Speaker 3: that Ben Johnson has this immediate effect on Caleb Williams,
Speaker 3: who we think that has potential former number one overall pick.
Speaker 3: Last year was obviously a disaster, but there were still
Speaker 3: plays and highlights that Caleb show that he can make
Speaker 3: special plays outside the pocket. Now, ben Johnson coming in,
Speaker 3: I think to just give him a little bit more layups.
Speaker 3: I'll get into it a little bit more, but the
Speaker 3: Bears were one of the worst teams in the first
Speaker 3: quarter last year. Basically they would always open up down
Speaker 3: seven points, down ten points because they weren't putting Caleb
Speaker 3: Williams in situations to succeed. Early on, he wasn't able
Speaker 3: to develop momentum, and then it would be him dropping
Speaker 3: back forty plus times in the second half of tragedy
Speaker 3: rallies team back from defeat. So I think that Ben
Speaker 3: Johnson is gonna have a positive impact. I think that
Speaker 3: the other additions you didn't mention offensive line like that
Speaker 3: was the first thing they hit in free agency. They
Speaker 3: were not messing around that. We're not doing what we
Speaker 3: did last year. We need to bowls of the offense line,
Speaker 3: we have to protect Kayleb Williams so he can make
Speaker 3: plays from the pocket, and I do think defensively, the
Speaker 3: personnel is still pretty good. I think last year the
Speaker 3: defensive collapse was more related to there was a new
Speaker 3: head coach basically every single week, and the defense was
Speaker 3: getting frustrated with how bad the offense was and it
Speaker 3: just kind of just was an absolute mess. So bringing
Speaker 3: in Dennis Allen, who again not a great head coach,
Speaker 3: but as a defensive coordinator, okay, I like him in
Speaker 3: that position with Ben Johnson, So I think that this
Speaker 3: roster is pretty solid and if Kabobs can't take that
Speaker 3: leap in his second year, still young quarterback, the Bears
Speaker 3: could be really exciting.
Speaker 1: All right, Terrelle, what's your take on the Bears who
Speaker 1: have a new coach, new offensive line, but a second
Speaker 1: year quarterback who certainly did struggle last season.
Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic at all. Honestly, it looks good on
Speaker 2: paper and sure, but it showed me better than you
Speaker 2: could tell me because I want to see it. I
Speaker 2: want to see Dennis Allin be a great defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: because I think that we're remembering the Didnis Allent defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator run a little bit differently. He was a pretty
Speaker 2: okay defensive coordinator for a lot of that run until
Speaker 2: COVID happened. Then COVID happened and it got a lot better.
Speaker 2: The defense actually started doing something, and it transitioned into
Speaker 2: him taking over the interim jobs and being the head
Speaker 2: coach of the team. And so I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: we have the recency of that, but we haven't seen
Speaker 2: it as him as a DC. He was kind of
Speaker 2: the head coach at that point. By the time the
Speaker 2: defense started rolling, he was kind of running the whole
Speaker 2: old team. So is this is that gonna come over
Speaker 2: and transfer over to this Bears defense that does have talent.
Speaker 2: I admit they have talent, but I just don't know
Speaker 2: if it's gonna transfer over day one, maybe year two,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit closer to the beg end of
Speaker 2: the year. But like right off the rip, I think
Speaker 2: the Bears defense actually is gonna have some growing pains
Speaker 2: as they're switching over to a new system playing under
Speaker 2: Jen Sullen and figuring it out, and I think that's
Speaker 2: gonna hinder your win total. I mean, maybe Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: and this offense looks great, and maybe Ben Johnson comes
Speaker 2: over here and absolutely takes over it and is everything
Speaker 2: that we said Kayle Williams was gonna be. But kay
Speaker 2: Williams still holds the ball too long, yes, and he's
Speaker 2: still and he still makes horrible decisions when he gets
Speaker 2: downfield and he gets pressure. So I really, I really don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not there on the on the brown not Browns.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, the Freudian slip already happening, but yeah, nah man,
Speaker 2: I'm not there on the Bears yet, like it sounds
Speaker 2: on paper, but somebody in this division has to be bad.
Speaker 2: So the Bears are okay. That means that the Packers
Speaker 2: and the Lions just have to completely bottom out. And
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna completely bottom out. Maybe not
Speaker 2: as good as last year, but they're not gonna bottom out.
Speaker 2: So I think the Bears are gonna look okay at moments,
Speaker 2: maybe that they're close to a five hundred record, but
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna be this all great scene.
Speaker 1: More covers than wins. That's what I think. And you
Speaker 1: know what, the first thing you gotta do is just
Speaker 1: get Caleb Williams getting rid of the football quickly. Keep
Speaker 1: it simple, getting rid of the football quickly, easy looks, understanding,
Speaker 1: you know where to go to the football in this scenario,
Speaker 1: in that scenario, in this down like whatever.
Speaker 2: That is just it's two second year with a new offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But tune him into the NFL, because
Speaker 1: that's what he's got to get tuned into. The stuff
Speaker 1: can get away with college when you run twenty yards
Speaker 1: deep in the backfield, is not gonna get it done
Speaker 1: the NFL. Minnesota, perhaps I can tempt to roll for
Speaker 1: some excitement there because that's where my excitement begins. I
Speaker 1: saw last year Sam Darnold get dropped in and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, make this team a playoff team. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The Vikings defense pretty good. Jordan
Speaker 1: Mason added for depth at the RB position. I really
Speaker 1: like that offseason move. But it's really just JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: now taking over the rains at you be, And I'm
Speaker 1: very confident. I like McCarthy. I think he's a winner.
Speaker 1: I think he's got the right kind of attitude. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a little bit of russ for
Speaker 1: not playing for a year. I think he needs to
Speaker 1: play in preseason. Hopefully they do play him more. But Terrell,
Speaker 1: to me, I think Minnesota is the sneaky pick here
Speaker 1: in this division. I think not that it's necessarily like
Speaker 1: addition here, it's just like this is your franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: and turning over the rains to him. With Kevin McCarthy,
Speaker 1: who's such a good Kevin o'connaugh excuse me, who's such
Speaker 1: a good head coach? I did it. I did it
Speaker 1: now McCarthy Kevin O'Connell, who is such a good head
Speaker 1: coach that I think it's gonna take a little bit
Speaker 1: of time in September, but once the training wheels comes off,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be big time here for the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. But what do you think, team?
Speaker 2: So this is like when you're in college and you
Speaker 2: take that class the first time around and it's just
Speaker 2: it's not going the way he's supposed to go, and
Speaker 2: you either withdraw you might actually flow in the class,
Speaker 2: but like this is this is on the credit sheet.
Speaker 2: You need this on your credit that you need those
Speaker 2: credit hours, so you gotta take that class again. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, it's a lot easier this time around because
Speaker 2: you said everything the first time, like he was there
Speaker 2: with the team and even though he was hurt, he
Speaker 2: was getting all the learning and bringing in all that information.
Speaker 2: And at this point I have faith in O'Connell because
Speaker 2: he signed Daniel Jones and thought he could do something
Speaker 2: with that and he felt very confident when he did it.
Speaker 2: And if you have that type of confidence in you
Speaker 2: as a coach, I just have to assume that maybe
Speaker 2: this Vikings thing that happened last year wasn't just a thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is how the Vikings are actually going to be.
Speaker 2: And right now they're four to one the wind of
Speaker 2: the division. I like the Vikings to go over their
Speaker 2: win total. Is McCarthy good, I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: know Sam Darnold isn't good and they still made playoffs,
Speaker 2: so I'm very much good taking the over on this
Speaker 2: win total is less about that and more about Brian
Speaker 2: Floores in the defense. Yeah, he had the defense balling
Speaker 2: last year. Now they're a little thin at corner right now,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that matters because he just gets
Speaker 2: the top tier play out of the talent that he has.
Speaker 2: They have Isaiah Rodgers right now, and he likes him.
Speaker 2: He thinks that he can be a really, really good
Speaker 2: corner in his system. And so if Brian Flores is
Speaker 2: very very optimistic about the defense, continue to do what
Speaker 2: they did last year, create turnovers, create a bunch of
Speaker 2: have it over the course of the season, and just
Speaker 2: make JJ and JJ do enough. You don't got to
Speaker 2: do a lot, but JJ and JJ just got to
Speaker 2: do enough. Then Yeah, I think the Vikings are going
Speaker 2: to be good. So give me the over on the
Speaker 2: win total. I think they have a shot to win
Speaker 2: the division.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna get to those win totals in the
Speaker 1: second ericson, I want to know your take here because
Speaker 1: Floras did not jump ship right he is back. Continue
Speaker 1: is important head coach coordinators, everybody coming back here. And look,
Speaker 1: at least McCarthy was around the system last year, you know,
Speaker 1: learning and kind of seeing. You probably would have been
Speaker 1: red shirted anyway in his rookie season for at least
Speaker 1: a good chunk of it. So it sucks he wasn't
Speaker 1: on the field. 're able to take the reps. But
Speaker 1: a full healthy offseason now a full regular camp. There's
Speaker 1: reason to be optimistic here, I think about the Vikings.
Speaker 3: I think there is, but there's also some pessimism regarding
Speaker 3: him coming off a season ending injury. He's coming off
Speaker 3: a torn meniscus, talking about he missed all the physical
Speaker 3: reps last offseasons. So even if he was there mentally,
Speaker 3: you know, his body wasn't necessarily there with him along
Speaker 3: the way. And we know what he did at Michigan.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a lot of dropbacks. They ran the ball
Speaker 3: a lot, And to I think a point that you
Speaker 3: made earlier, Joe about the Vikings, I don't think they
Speaker 3: lean on him as much to start the year. I
Speaker 3: think they bolster the interior offensive line because it acquired
Speaker 3: Jordan Mason, because I want to run the football and
Speaker 3: let's ease our young quarterback coming off a knee injury.
Speaker 3: Let's ease him in. We don't need to put everything
Speaker 3: on him. The system is so good. He just has
Speaker 3: to make a couple key throws, be efficient, not turn
Speaker 3: the ball over, and will win games. So I think
Speaker 3: that the Vikings are a team that maybe for the
Speaker 3: first month they're still kind of figuring things out because
Speaker 3: I agree that he needs to play in the preseason.
Speaker 3: He needs to get more live game reps till he
Speaker 3: gets up to the speed. I think the Vikings are
Speaker 3: going to be a team that's in the conversation for
Speaker 3: the playoffs for the division as they kind of hit
Speaker 3: their stride down in the second half of the year.
Speaker 3: So I'm also pretty optimistic about the Bikings. I think that,
Speaker 3: again McCarthy hits, this team could win thirteen fourteen games,
Speaker 3: like we've seen with O'Connell the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I Look again, I lost spoil things.
Speaker 1: Let's keep going. Let's talk about the Packers here. Offseason
Speaker 1: for them. Jira Alexander gone to Baltimore as of there,
Speaker 1: I mean a couple of years ago. But look, he's
Speaker 1: been hurt. So look, Matthew Golden was the big draft
Speaker 1: pick for them in the first round. But Ericson, you know, look,
Speaker 1: last year was a lot of injuries. Jordan Love was
Speaker 1: playing hurt most of the year. Things just did not
Speaker 1: go their way. In the year before everything did go
Speaker 1: their way. So now it's a question of Okay, which
Speaker 1: one are you? Who do you think the Packers are.
Speaker 3: I think that their team that's going to lean more
Speaker 3: on Jordan Love healthy this year. I think they're going
Speaker 3: to lean more on his arm this year, But I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's going to necessarily translate to win
Speaker 3: because I think this defense is horrible up and down
Speaker 3: the ross. They needed to draft edge rushers, they needed
Speaker 3: to draft secondary pieces, and they just drafted wide receivers
Speaker 3: in this year's draft. They had clear their needs. So
Speaker 3: I have concerns that the Packers are going to be
Speaker 3: a team that maybe they're really fun for fantasy where
Speaker 3: they're playing shootouts left and right at lambeau Field, where
Speaker 3: it's significantly cult that is here in New England, But
Speaker 3: is that one always translates to wins, especially if Love
Speaker 3: is pushing the narrative and maybe he's turning the ball
Speaker 3: over a lot, because we know we've seen that with
Speaker 3: him when he likes to drop back and sling it.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's really fun and sometimes it's, oh, well, there
Speaker 3: goes another pick six interception for Jordan Love. So I
Speaker 3: think that the line is pretty spot on. They're gonna
Speaker 3: be in games, They're going to be competitive, but I
Speaker 3: think I lean towards the under well.
Speaker 1: Terrell, I can understand, you know, wanting to run the
Speaker 1: football and play defense. We know they can run the football,
Speaker 1: they can do the former. Can they do the latter?
Speaker 3: Oh? Good luck?
Speaker 2: I mean good luck. If any game I think they win,
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna win because they somehow put up thirty
Speaker 2: points in a game. And Josh Jacobs has some great
Speaker 2: running game, and I mean that's what they did. They
Speaker 2: committed to the running game here and there. He tried
Speaker 2: to make some additions along the offensive line. But there's
Speaker 2: a lot of changes here. It's a lot of changes.
Speaker 2: Now you're shifting around players on the offensive line. You've
Speaker 2: got they're a Progo guard Jenkins, he's the center. Now
Speaker 2: what that's not? Okay? That's a Pro Bowl guard and
Speaker 2: now he's your center. So guess what you have at guard?
Speaker 2: Not a Pro Bowl guard? Like that's very very concerning here.
Speaker 2: It's too many ships around the offensive line that just
Speaker 2: make me think the Packers are gonna be anything consistent here.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, maybe they do bottom out. Actually,
Speaker 2: all right, let's look.
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Speaker 1: totals here for these teams in the NFC North Division,
Speaker 1: and the Chicago Bears fluctuate between six and a half,
Speaker 1: eight and a half, ten and a half. Terrell, what's
Speaker 1: the sweet spot for you when you look at the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, where do you feel comfortable with this win total.
Speaker 2: I think under eight and a half is where I'm
Speaker 2: at me too. I think they're okay. I think they're okay.
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're gonna be in the playoff discussion,
Speaker 2: but I think that they'll play hard enough where they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: let's let's go for it.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 2: And then it's gonna be a loss here and I
Speaker 2: lost there. Like I'm not one hundred percent sold on
Speaker 2: the defense. The defense may get better as this season
Speaker 2: goes on, but there's gonna be a couple of games
Speaker 2: early where I think that it's gonna be some confusion
Speaker 2: they and then it's how good is Caleb Williams?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: How good can Caleb Williams be? Because this is like
Speaker 2: being a rookie all over again. You got a new
Speaker 2: head coach, you have a new offensive system. If you
Speaker 2: were feeling comfortable at any point, and I'm sure he
Speaker 2: wasn't of that last offensive system, it's completely out the
Speaker 2: window and you got to figure it out. And they're
Speaker 2: trying to get you to stop holding on the ball
Speaker 2: so long. So like, yeah, no, I don't think the
Speaker 2: Bears are any fun. I think that it's going to
Speaker 2: be them in the Packers towards the bottom of this division,
Speaker 2: So I will take under eight and a half wins, all.
Speaker 1: Right, ericson, I'm where Trella is and it's again frustrating
Speaker 1: when he and I agree because it doesn't always happen
Speaker 1: here on the program. So I think that's worth noting.
Speaker 1: I think the Bears will be better. Will they be
Speaker 1: really good? I don't know. Will they be a team
Speaker 1: with a winning record. I don't think they're quite there yet.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about this Bears win total?
Speaker 1: Where is your happy place?
Speaker 3: I am taking the over bearing down over eight and
Speaker 3: a half wins plus one thirty. I'm just buying the
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson bump.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: We're talking about we have the O'Connell system taking JJ
Speaker 3: McCarthy to the next level, and you're his second season.
Speaker 3: He didn't play it all last year. Caleb Wimas least
Speaker 3: played football last year and did show flashes. Again, wasn't perfect,
Speaker 3: but just the point of getting those early game layups
Speaker 3: that's gonna be part of this offense that was non
Speaker 3: existent in the offense last year. And I think just
Speaker 3: in the discussion we talked about both the Packers and Lions.
Speaker 3: It seems like both you agree those teams are going
Speaker 3: to take steps back. So if we have two teams
Speaker 3: stepping back, we have another team that has a quarterback
Speaker 3: who's never played in the NFL, and then Caleb Williams
Speaker 3: entering his year two number one overall pick. That's where
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put my money. Gimme me Kay Williams and
Speaker 3: the Bears over eight and a half wins.
Speaker 1: All right, Detroit Lions? Where do you want to go
Speaker 1: with them? Ericson? For me, the happy place I think
Speaker 1: is the juice is too much for the over eight
Speaker 1: and a half. I think they're probably a ten to
Speaker 1: eleven win team. I'm guessing the over at ten and
Speaker 1: a half is probably the point where I am the
Speaker 1: most comfortable. You're getting plus one oh five there if
Speaker 1: you want to go under ten and a half wins,
Speaker 1: though it's minus one twenty five, I don't want to
Speaker 1: touch the twelve and a half. I'll be honest with
Speaker 1: you there. The year's no love for the under. With
Speaker 1: the juice there and the over twelve and a half wins,
Speaker 1: I just don't feel comfortable with so Ericson, where do
Speaker 1: you fall when it comes to Detroit Lions in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 3: If it forced me to make a pick here, I'm
Speaker 3: going to go under ten and a half at minus
Speaker 3: one twenty five. I will say that this is probably
Speaker 3: more of a shyaway spot for me because Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: is the king against the spread. He's been absolutely dynamite
Speaker 3: against the spread, and betting against him has been a
Speaker 3: losing strategy. So just keep that in mind. But all
Speaker 3: the factors we mentioned earlier, and then the other thing
Speaker 3: that's different from last year was the schedule. I remember
Speaker 3: looking at last year's schedule for the Lions, all that
Speaker 3: did was playing doors. They never played games outside and
Speaker 3: bad whether this year they play six road outdoor games
Speaker 3: against teams that all had winning records last season and
Speaker 3: they're not good. Yeah, was just let's say they're a
Speaker 3: good scene and they're playing good teams on the road outdoors.
Speaker 3: So just another factor to be look the Lions again,
Speaker 3: I think when we look up, we're gonna see them
Speaker 3: as a good team. But will that be reflective in
Speaker 3: the win loss? I don't think so. So for me,
Speaker 3: it's going to be the under all right, So uh.
Speaker 1: I think they can squeak out eleven wins, but again,
Speaker 1: it's more of a stay away from me than anything.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the Lions this year, Terrell, do
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with one of these win totals here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like the under I think they're exactly a
Speaker 2: ten win team here, and it was it was a
Speaker 2: lot of it. It's a couple of outdoor games here,
Speaker 2: and those road games are really tough. They're going on
Speaker 2: the road to Baltimore, Kansas City, Washington, and Philly this year.
Speaker 2: That's not that's not an easy path, especially with the
Speaker 2: Philly game in December. I for one, No, I'm a
Speaker 2: big baby in the cold. So you would never catch
Speaker 2: me at Philadelphia at a game in November. You would
Speaker 2: not catch me at a game in Philadelphia November.
Speaker 1: It's not even that cold in November.
Speaker 2: What do you can and but Jared are the same person.
Speaker 2: Jared Goff and I are the same person. We don't
Speaker 2: like the cold.
Speaker 1: We don't like it's like fifty five sixty degrees.
Speaker 3: You're in a it's a night game, that's so it's
Speaker 3: gonna be freezing.
Speaker 1: Maybe you got you guys, Look, I can't do it.
Speaker 2: I hate the blanket. For the rest of the show,
Speaker 2: but for real, the outdoor conditions and not just Jared Goll,
Speaker 2: but it goes to the kicking as well, and and
Speaker 2: all of that you have to worry about those like
Speaker 2: wind and maybe a windy game like they there was
Speaker 2: so many external conditions that they had over the course
Speaker 2: of that season that they just didn't have to worry about.
Speaker 2: And now you do. Haven't played some of these read games,
Speaker 2: and that's going to add to your losses on your total.
Speaker 2: And then I think that it is going to be
Speaker 2: a competitive division as well. So yeah, I think they're
Speaker 2: actually a ten win team. They probably come right in
Speaker 2: here at ten wins and it's a really good sweat here.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take me under, all right. The Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers are next up, Terrell, and again their win totally.
Speaker 1: You'll get seven and a half, nine and a half,
Speaker 1: eleven and a half. Where's the sweet spot for.
Speaker 2: You with the pack under under under under.
Speaker 1: Underwa that's the question. I mean, you want to go
Speaker 1: under nine?
Speaker 2: Mind taking all of it? I wouldn't mind taking all
Speaker 2: of it, I really wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Well, the only value is on the under nine and
Speaker 1: a half. That's the only undervalue.
Speaker 2: Is that really the only undervalue at nine and night
Speaker 2: Halo because seven and a half is plus two forty
Speaker 2: And if you told me that, I don't think Jordan
Speaker 2: Love is taking a positive step forward this year. I
Speaker 2: think he's, if anything, he's exactly where he's been at
Speaker 2: or worse. And so if he's exactly where he's been
Speaker 2: at or worse, the offensive line is questionable. The defense
Speaker 2: is like I I said, the Packers might not bought
Speaker 2: him out, but there's a good possibility that they bought
Speaker 2: him out here. I don't think the defense is gonna
Speaker 2: save them in any games. Any way they get a
Speaker 2: win is if Jordan Love decides to wake up in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter and do some heroics. But like other
Speaker 2: than that, if they're down in a game, I don't
Speaker 2: know how they're gonna come back. Because Jordan Love's going
Speaker 2: to turn the ball over. We understand that's who he
Speaker 2: is and we accept him for it. He's going to
Speaker 2: have turnovers. We're going to bet the over half of
Speaker 2: interception every single game, Like that's going to happen the
Speaker 2: first day. I'm gonna to talk to you about Jordan
Speaker 2: Love's over half interception as long as this reasonably places.
Speaker 2: So yeah, give me all the unders. I think plus
Speaker 2: two forty on under seven and a half wins. If
Speaker 2: they come in as seven wins here and they gotta
Speaker 2: figure things out and revamp everything, and their fans are
Speaker 2: calling for him to talk about head coaches and GMS firing,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. So yeah, maybe the backers do
Speaker 2: bought them out here.
Speaker 1: If they bought them out, it's gonna because they got
Speaker 1: off to a bad start, because there's some winnable games there.
Speaker 1: I think early on for them, Arizona Cleveland, right, I
Speaker 1: mean some of those games are a little tough.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 1: They do have to face Washington early in the season too,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati early in the season, their bye is early too.
Speaker 1: They have a week five by the end of this
Speaker 1: season is tough. They go, they go to Pittsburgh. Caroline
Speaker 1: is not a pushover anymore. Philadelphia. Then you got to
Speaker 1: play the Vikings twice, the Bears twice, Detroit again, the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, and the Baltimore Ravens. That's a lot here
Speaker 1: in the last like eight ten weeks of the season
Speaker 1: there for them. That again, you better get off some
Speaker 1: good wins, agree, because if you don't, maybe Torell's right.
Speaker 1: Maybe the under seven and a half is actually more
Speaker 1: viable than we realized. Did we get to your Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packer take, Andrew.
Speaker 3: Well, I am taking the I am echoing Terrell here.
Speaker 3: I'm also under even though I do think Jordan Love
Speaker 3: could be better than last year, because I think that
Speaker 3: he was never healthy out all last year except in
Speaker 3: beginning the Brazil game. Then he got injured at the end,
Speaker 3: and I don't think he was ever fully healthy. But
Speaker 3: to me, that just means he's live for throwing the
Speaker 3: most interceptions in the NFL in this season because he's
Speaker 3: gonna play probably more games than last year. So I
Speaker 3: think that's probably the angle I'm gonna take with this
Speaker 3: Packers team that I think, yess gonna be fun for fantasy.
Speaker 3: The defense is gonna be horrible. I don't think I
Speaker 3: win a lot of games, but Jordan Love's gonna put
Speaker 3: up a Jamis Winston esque stat line. That's al said, done, Andrew.
Speaker 1: Let's stick with you for the Vikings here again. Six
Speaker 1: and a half, eight and a half, ten and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bullish on this one. I'm the over
Speaker 1: ten and a half. I think they can get to
Speaker 1: eleven wins this year, I really do. I believe in
Speaker 1: the quarterback, I believe in the head coach, and I
Speaker 1: believe the defensive coordinator. To Torell's point two flores, I
Speaker 1: think has this team playing really well well. He made
Speaker 1: the adjustments he needed to with the personnel he was given,
Speaker 1: and they really took off there as the season went going.
Speaker 1: Where do you fall for the wins for the Vikings?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I like the over in the eight
Speaker 3: and a half mis been thirty five. But I agree
Speaker 3: with you that it's okay to be bullish here on
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings because we've seen. If McCarthy does look
Speaker 3: good coming back from this injury and he can be
Speaker 3: better than Sam Darnold or other quarterbacks that have been
Speaker 3: in this Vikings offense that's been so successful, then yeah,
Speaker 3: it's easy to see them going over ten and a
Speaker 3: half wins. O'Connell has won thirteen plus games in two
Speaker 3: of his last three seasons, except for the one year
Speaker 3: where all of his quarterbacks got hurt and they weren't
Speaker 3: able to win any games. So again, eleven point three
Speaker 3: average for O'Connell his three seasons as the Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 3: head coach. So I think it's easy over on the
Speaker 3: eight and a half and then a two to one
Speaker 3: over ten and a half. I like that. If you're
Speaker 3: going to be bullish, I will say, though, maybe this
Speaker 3: is one that I don't fire on during the offseason
Speaker 3: because I do like the Bears. They play the Bears
Speaker 3: week one. I think we'll get better odds after the
Speaker 3: first month when we get I kind of want to
Speaker 3: see McCarthy in this offense and be healthy. I really
Speaker 3: do want to see that. So that's my only reservation.
Speaker 1: All right, Terrell, any reservations when it comes to the
Speaker 1: win totals here for the Vikings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, O'Connor is exactly who Brian Dabele thinks he is
Speaker 2: in terms of offensive quarterback mine here talking about the
Speaker 2: one season with no quarterbacks he bought him out, Dable.
Speaker 2: Where's your thirteen win season, sir? Where?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm back in O'Connell here, and I just think that
Speaker 2: he's going to figure it out and whether no matter
Speaker 2: how good up or down I feel about JJ and
Speaker 2: what he's going to be as a quarterback, he's proven
Speaker 2: that he can take very average quarterback play and win
Speaker 2: a bunch of football games. That defense is really really good.
Speaker 2: And Brian Flores also on another revenge tour. I mean,
Speaker 2: so he had the revenge tour last year, then he
Speaker 2: got passed over for every head coach job, and now
Speaker 2: he's on the revenge tour again. How do we fay this?
Speaker 1: How do we fak this?
Speaker 2: He and last year was the same questions that I
Speaker 2: have about the defense this year. The talent on the field.
Speaker 2: Is the talent on the field going to be good enough?
Speaker 2: Last year he was able, He made it work with
Speaker 2: what he had and they were a really good defense.
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna assume he's gonna figure it out
Speaker 2: to get it done again here again. And Packers might
Speaker 2: not be as good Bears, I'm not as high on Lions.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a step back for me, Like
Speaker 2: this might not be a big heavy thirteen and fourteen
Speaker 2: win team, but eleven maybe twelve win the division? Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: I like the over on the wins over here for
Speaker 2: the Vans.
Speaker 1: All right, so we all like the Vikings here, and
Speaker 1: I think Flores gets passed over because it's an offensive
Speaker 1: league and they want offensive mind head coaches. You saw Johnson,
Speaker 1: saw Leam Cohne. I mean that's you know, Dave can
Speaker 1: Allics a couple of years ago. That's what we want.
Speaker 1: That's an offensive minded league. So they don't care about
Speaker 1: your defense. But the defense does still win championships, just
Speaker 1: ask the Eagles. Let's talk about this division right now.
Speaker 1: Who could win it? The Lions or at plus one
Speaker 1: forty five, the Packers plus two sixty, the Vikings at
Speaker 1: plus two ninety, and the Bears at plus five fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Vikings at plus two ninety. It's
Speaker 1: a great value. I love it. And the fact that
Speaker 1: they're all plus money Terrella tells me that Vegas is
Speaker 1: saying this is pretty wide open. There's no real clear
Speaker 1: favorite here right now. There's no minus money here. So
Speaker 1: I'll take the Vikings at plus two ninety. The fact
Speaker 1: that the Packers are the second one I think as
Speaker 1: a joke. But Torol, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll see your Vikings plus two ninety, and I'll
Speaker 2: raise you a Vikings four to one. There's four to
Speaker 2: one out there on the Vikings right now, and I
Speaker 2: legit do not feel like the Packers should be second
Speaker 2: in the vision right now. I just that's just wrong
Speaker 2: odds to me, there's too many question marks there, and
Speaker 2: Jordan Love has to be really really, really really good.
Speaker 2: If the Packers are in this division and they're in
Speaker 2: it for the championship at the end, Jordan Love has
Speaker 2: to have an amazing season. I would have to say
Speaker 2: this has to be borderline MVP season for Jordan Love
Speaker 2: for them to win the division, honestly, because of the
Speaker 2: number of games and how bad I think the defense
Speaker 2: is going to be. If they win the division, I
Speaker 2: think is probably a Love IVVYP season where he just
Speaker 2: didn't turn the ball over and he had all the
Speaker 2: stats that he has, so I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Give me the Vikings four to one, as so once again,
Speaker 2: and I holding hand on the platform.
Speaker 1: Holding hands ericson, come with us, join us, baby, Come on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I'm not doing that. When Joey p
Speaker 3: and Treel Furman agree on something, what could go wrong?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Nothing. I think that is when the moon is in
Speaker 1: the Southern sphere and Jupiter ali Mars. When Terrell and
Speaker 1: I agree on something, so it can't be wrong. I
Speaker 1: think this is a lock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's how you know it's not gonna hit
Speaker 3: me when you call a lock here in Jude, it's
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: Who wins this division.
Speaker 3: I'm going with the Chicago Bears. Give me the Chicago
Speaker 3: Bars longer than five and a half? What plus five
Speaker 3: point fifty forgive me the Chicago Bears to win the
Speaker 3: division because I'm chasing the trends. I'm not chasing this.
Speaker 3: Oh well, McCarthy's healthy. He's gonna be great. Copy paste
Speaker 3: all the Vikings quarterbacks from the worst yester year. It'll
Speaker 3: be awesome. But what about this trend? The worst to first?
Speaker 3: You guys, it's right. Team last place in the division
Speaker 3: finishes first place in the division the following season. You
Speaker 3: know what's really cool about this one is didn't happen
Speaker 3: last year, broke a four year streak. In fact, since
Speaker 3: the two thousand and two merger, only three times has
Speaker 3: at least a one last place team not finished first
Speaker 3: in the division the following year. So odds are that
Speaker 3: it's going to happen at this point this year. And
Speaker 3: I think that when you're looking at the teams that
Speaker 3: finished in last place across the NFL, the Bears a
Speaker 3: looking pretty good compared to those other teams. Are the
Speaker 3: Patriots going to overlap the Bills. Uh not according to odds,
Speaker 3: because the Bills are one of the heaviest favorites to
Speaker 3: win their division Tennessee Titans. Maybe cam Ward ends up
Speaker 3: being c J.
Speaker 1: Shroud from the year.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that leaves you with the Chicago Bears as
Speaker 3: that team that can make that leap from worst to
Speaker 3: first because I see paths where the Lions and Packers
Speaker 3: taking steps back, and then the Vikings are baking on
Speaker 3: a player that's never played in the NFL coming off
Speaker 3: a season ending injury. So for all those reasons, I
Speaker 3: love the value on the Chicago Bears. So give me
Speaker 3: them at the.
Speaker 1: Longest on that You've got to sell me that the
Speaker 1: coach quarterback combination of Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson is
Speaker 1: better than all of the three competitors. And I can't
Speaker 1: get there. I just can't get there, because to win
Speaker 1: the division, I think they've got to both be combined
Speaker 1: together the best duo, and I just don't see that.
Speaker 1: I think that's my problem, right, that's my stumble block
Speaker 1: to this. So maybe it's the second year in a
Speaker 1: row and we're going to make some history where there's
Speaker 1: not a first, you know, last first.
Speaker 2: Swell point five percent. That's the that's the odds one
Speaker 2: of a swell point five percent of the Bears being
Speaker 2: the one scene that is going.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the YouTube comments. YouTube comments,
Speaker 1: drop them below. Who do you think is gonna win
Speaker 1: this division? In the meantime, we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: our favorite bets for this division, and a quick reminder
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Speaker 1: to our favorite picks for this division, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with ap NFL Comeback Player of the Year. Aiden
Speaker 1: Hutchinson might win Defensive Player of the Year too, you
Speaker 1: never know, but at plus three twenty, I like those odds.
Speaker 1: So give me Aiden Hutchinson NFL Comeback Player of the
Speaker 1: Year this season. Most regular receiving yards. I'm buying the
Speaker 1: JJ to JJ connection. Justin Jefferson plus seven to fifty,
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm getting right back into it. And Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones regular season rushing total. I'm going under seven fifty
Speaker 1: and a half at minus one fourteen, I think Jordan
Speaker 1: Mason not only eats into that role, but Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: is a lot of tread on those tires. So I'm
Speaker 1: betting against the old running back. Terrell, what are your
Speaker 1: favorite bets for the NFC?
Speaker 2: North Well, I like the Vikings to go ahead and
Speaker 2: get that done and win the division. If they win
Speaker 2: the division and come like one or two seed, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of awards given out to this team,
Speaker 2: and so one they love the quarterbacks. Sorry for your play,
Speaker 2: but JJ Comeback Player of the Year plus eight fifty.
Speaker 2: I mean that's just laid up right there. First of all,
Speaker 2: I just want you to know you gotta come back
Speaker 2: and he kind of wasn't there in the first place,
Speaker 2: but they're still gonna vote for him for it, So okay,
Speaker 2: cool cool. Since they're gonna vote for him for it,
Speaker 2: let me get JJ there at that price plus eight fifty,
Speaker 2: and I think I've sold myself. Let me just go
Speaker 2: ahead and take the Packers underwin to the ladder. Give
Speaker 2: me under nine and a half, and then give me
Speaker 2: under seven and a half at plus two forty. Like,
Speaker 2: let's just face the Packers all the way here. And
Speaker 2: I wish they had the line for Jordan love moostter interceptions,
Speaker 2: but I'll be on that suit for sure.
Speaker 1: All right. I'm sure Ericson will be also from the
Speaker 1: way you guys were talking about it. Ericson, what are
Speaker 1: your favorite bets for this division coming up this season?
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta say I love the co Player of
Speaker 3: the Year pick from Furman because they changed the rules
Speaker 3: of this award where you have to come back from
Speaker 3: an injury. So don't vote the players that are not
Speaker 3: coming back from injuries, like they can't win the awards.
Speaker 3: Sam could never win the award. You can't win from
Speaker 3: coming back. Just be that's no one got to the
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco thing. They're like, you can't have anymore.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, but that was a good Joe Flacco doesn't
Speaker 1: come back, man, Yeah, the Bill's defensive player that died
Speaker 1: on the field that came back. Yeah yeah, DeMar Hamlin,
Speaker 1: Yeah he should have.
Speaker 3: He should have won the award.
Speaker 1: No, Joe Flacco actually played well.
Speaker 3: But he wasn't coming back. He was coming back from
Speaker 3: the couch.
Speaker 2: It doesn't he Man Hamlin didn't even did DeMar Hamblin
Speaker 2: even do anything that Sason like.
Speaker 1: I think he just got the ward, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: like a game changing player. It was an incredible story
Speaker 1: that he came back, and I don't want to discount
Speaker 1: that incredible moment there. But at the same time, this
Speaker 1: award should be about coming back and playing, not coming
Speaker 1: back and just being alive and playing. And that's what
Speaker 1: it's about. And Joe Flacco is an old man getting
Speaker 1: involved the couch. Oh do you want to talk as
Speaker 1: hard as to get off the couch. You wait till
Speaker 1: you're in your forties, My friend, you see what it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, ask Karon Rodgers what's like.
Speaker 3: I'll be sure to look at my my Comeback Player
Speaker 3: of the Year Odds as well when that happens. So
Speaker 3: my favorite the year, my favorite plays for this division.
Speaker 3: So I kind of talked myself into this too. All
Speaker 3: the Jordan Love overs in terms of interceptions, yards, touchdowns,
Speaker 3: I just think that he's gonna be slinging it, so
Speaker 3: they're really low. I'm looking right now on betting pros.
Speaker 3: Thirty five hundred is his total passing yards prop twenty
Speaker 3: four and a half passing touchdowns. I think that these
Speaker 3: are easy overs, and then once the interceptions are up,
Speaker 3: we are jumping all over that. So I do like that.
Speaker 3: Going back to my Bears, love taking them over on
Speaker 3: eight and a half, taking them to win the division
Speaker 3: at nearly six to one odds. Bear down baby, And
Speaker 3: this is another. This is another one that's not posted yet,
Speaker 3: but when they post the rushing touchdown market most rushing touchdowns,
Speaker 3: Jordan Mason. That's the pick for me, Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: think that the Vikings are going to be again. If
Speaker 3: they're an efficient offense, they're gonna have scoring opportunities. And
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, the amount of money I lost on this
Speaker 3: guy last year on any touchdown bets, I'm not doing
Speaker 3: it again. Jordan Mason is the goal line back, and
Speaker 3: I think you could score at least double digit touchdowns.
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