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Speaker 1: with the changes that we've seen so far year over year,

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Speaker 1: and let's start with Detroit because there's been a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of change. And gentlemen, when you lose your offensive

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Speaker 1: went in the division and became the head coach, and

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Speaker 1: now you gotta change the whole playbook. Terrell Furman Junior.

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Speaker 1: I think the Detroit Lions are going through it right now.

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Speaker 1: They still got a great roster, they still got a

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Speaker 1: lot going for them. But this is a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of changes and a lot of optimism

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Speaker 2: that they're just gonna pick it up and go right

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Speaker 2: where they left off. And they might go right where

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Speaker 2: it might. I don't want to jump into it too much,

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Speaker 2: but I'll say this is that I change comes with

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Speaker 2: be either positive or negative reaction. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: lot of negative reaction here. The Lions looked unbeatable for

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this. Terrell and I starting off holding hands.

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Speaker 1: Usually we just argue on the show for thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Today we're in agreement. I think it's too much. I

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Speaker 1: really do in this cock eyed optimism Andrew that everything's

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Speaker 1: just fine in Detroit. I don't share it. I know

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Speaker 1: they had a lot of injuries last year, especially in

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Speaker 1: Because Dan Campbell every time he gets into big games,

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Speaker 1: And I keep coming back to that same thing as like,

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Speaker 1: You got to change a lot of what you do,

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Speaker 1: The lines are still a great roster. But we've seen

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Speaker 1: historically when teams lose Super Bowls and lose coordinators, or

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of moving pieces with the twenty

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Speaker 3: But now the hand that he's dealt. I think that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, more on this as we get to the division

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Speaker 1: new head coach Ben Johnson. I think he's a good

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Speaker 3: Last year was obviously a disaster, but there were still

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Speaker 3: we have to protect Kayleb Williams so he can make

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Speaker 3: plays from the pocket, and I do think defensively, the

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Speaker 1: All right, Terrelle, what's your take on the Bears who

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Speaker 1: have a new coach, new offensive line, but a second

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Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic at all. Honestly, it looks good on

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Speaker 2: paper and sure, but it showed me better than you

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Speaker 2: because I think that we're remembering the Didnis Allent defensive

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Speaker 2: The defense actually started doing something, and it transitioned into

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Speaker 2: we have the recency of that, but we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: and transfer over to this Bears defense that does have talent.

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Speaker 2: Jen Sullen and figuring it out, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: gonna hinder your win total. I mean, maybe Caleb Williams

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Speaker 2: and this offense looks great, and maybe Ben Johnson comes

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Speaker 2: Williams still holds the ball too long, yes, and he's

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Speaker 2: still and he still makes horrible decisions when he gets

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Speaker 2: I'm not there on the on the brown not Browns.

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Speaker 2: The Yeah, the Freudian slip already happening, but yeah, nah man,

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Speaker 2: I'm not there on the Bears yet, like it sounds

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Speaker 2: on paper, but somebody in this division has to be bad.

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Speaker 2: So the Bears are okay. That means that the Packers

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Speaker 2: and the Lions just have to completely bottom out. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna completely bottom out. Maybe not

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Speaker 2: So I think the Bears are gonna look okay at moments,

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna be this all great scene.

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Speaker 1: More covers than wins. That's what I think. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, the first thing you gotta do is just

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Speaker 1: get Caleb Williams getting rid of the football quickly. Keep

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Speaker 1: it simple, getting rid of the football quickly, easy looks, understanding,

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Speaker 1: you know where to go to the football in this scenario,

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Speaker 2: That is just it's two second year with a new offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But tune him into the NFL, because

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Speaker 1: that's what he's got to get tuned into. The stuff

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Speaker 2: So this is like when you're in college and you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I Look again, I lost spoil things.

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Speaker 3: I think that their team that's going to lean more

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Speaker 3: Oh? Good luck?

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Speaker 2: I mean good luck. If any game I think they win,

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Speaker 3: I am taking the over bearing down over eight and

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about we have the O'Connell system taking JJ

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Speaker 3: played football last year and did show flashes. Again, wasn't perfect,

431
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,000
Speaker 3: but just the point of getting those early game layups

432
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 3: that's gonna be part of this offense that was non

433
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 3: existent in the offense last year. And I think just

434
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 3: in the discussion we talked about both the Packers and Lions.

435
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,719
Speaker 3: It seems like both you agree those teams are going

436
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 3: to take steps back. So if we have two teams

437
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 3: stepping back, we have another team that has a quarterback

438
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 3: who's never played in the NFL, and then Caleb Williams

439
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 3: entering his year two number one overall pick. That's where

440
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,919
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put my money. Gimme me Kay Williams and

441
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 3: the Bears over eight and a half wins.

442
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,320
Speaker 1: All right, Detroit Lions? Where do you want to go

443
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 1: with them? Ericson? For me, the happy place I think

444
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 1: is the juice is too much for the over eight

445
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 1: and a half. I think they're probably a ten to

446
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 1: eleven win team. I'm guessing the over at ten and

447
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 1: a half is probably the point where I am the

448
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 1: most comfortable. You're getting plus one oh five there if

449
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 1: you want to go under ten and a half wins,

450
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,120
Speaker 1: though it's minus one twenty five, I don't want to

451
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: touch the twelve and a half. I'll be honest with

452
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: you there. The year's no love for the under. With

453
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 1: the juice there and the over twelve and a half wins,

454
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: I just don't feel comfortable with so Ericson, where do

455
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 1: you fall when it comes to Detroit Lions in twenty

456
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 1: twenty five.

457
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 3: If it forced me to make a pick here, I'm

458
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 3: going to go under ten and a half at minus

459
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Speaker 3: one twenty five. I will say that this is probably

460
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 3: more of a shyaway spot for me because Dan Campbell

461
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 3: is the king against the spread. He's been absolutely dynamite

462
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 3: against the spread, and betting against him has been a

463
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 3: losing strategy. So just keep that in mind. But all

464
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 3: the factors we mentioned earlier, and then the other thing

465
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 3: that's different from last year was the schedule. I remember

466
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 3: looking at last year's schedule for the Lions, all that

467
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 3: did was playing doors. They never played games outside and

468
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 3: bad whether this year they play six road outdoor games

469
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 3: against teams that all had winning records last season and

470
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 3: they're not good. Yeah, was just let's say they're a

471
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 3: good scene and they're playing good teams on the road outdoors.

472
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: So just another factor to be look the Lions again,

473
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Speaker 3: I think when we look up, we're gonna see them

474
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Speaker 3: as a good team. But will that be reflective in

475
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 3: the win loss? I don't think so. So for me,

476
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 3: it's going to be the under all right, So uh.

477
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: I think they can squeak out eleven wins, but again,

478
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,479
Speaker 1: it's more of a stay away from me than anything.

479
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: When it comes to the Lions this year, Terrell, do

480
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with one of these win totals here?

481
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like the under I think they're exactly a

482
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: ten win team here, and it was it was a

483
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Speaker 2: lot of it. It's a couple of outdoor games here,

484
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 2: and those road games are really tough. They're going on

485
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: the road to Baltimore, Kansas City, Washington, and Philly this year.

486
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 2: That's not that's not an easy path, especially with the

487
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: Philly game in December. I for one, No, I'm a

488
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: big baby in the cold. So you would never catch

489
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: me at Philadelphia at a game in November. You would

490
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: not catch me at a game in Philadelphia November.

491
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: It's not even that cold in November.

492
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: What do you can and but Jared are the same person.

493
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Jared Goff and I are the same person. We don't

494
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: like the cold.

495
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: We don't like it's like fifty five sixty degrees.

496
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: You're in a it's a night game, that's so it's

497
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: gonna be freezing.

498
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: Maybe you got you guys, Look, I can't do it.

499
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: I hate the blanket. For the rest of the show,

500
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 2: but for real, the outdoor conditions and not just Jared Goll,

501
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 2: but it goes to the kicking as well, and and

502
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 2: all of that you have to worry about those like

503
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: wind and maybe a windy game like they there was

504
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: so many external conditions that they had over the course

505
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: of that season that they just didn't have to worry about.

506
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: And now you do. Haven't played some of these read games,

507
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: and that's going to add to your losses on your total.

508
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: And then I think that it is going to be

509
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: a competitive division as well. So yeah, I think they're

510
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: actually a ten win team. They probably come right in

511
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: here at ten wins and it's a really good sweat here.

512
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take me under, all right. The Green

513
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Speaker 1: Bay Packers are next up, Terrell, and again their win totally.

514
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: You'll get seven and a half, nine and a half,

515
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: eleven and a half. Where's the sweet spot for.

516
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: You with the pack under under under under.

517
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: Underwa that's the question. I mean, you want to go

518
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: under nine?

519
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: Mind taking all of it? I wouldn't mind taking all

520
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 2: of it, I really wouldn't.

521
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: Well, the only value is on the under nine and

522
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: a half. That's the only undervalue.

523
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: Is that really the only undervalue at nine and night

524
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: Halo because seven and a half is plus two forty

525
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: And if you told me that, I don't think Jordan

526
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Love is taking a positive step forward this year. I

527
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: think he's, if anything, he's exactly where he's been at

528
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: or worse. And so if he's exactly where he's been

529
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: at or worse, the offensive line is questionable. The defense

530
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 2: is like I I said, the Packers might not bought

531
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: him out, but there's a good possibility that they bought

532
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: him out here. I don't think the defense is gonna

533
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: save them in any games. Any way they get a

534
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: win is if Jordan Love decides to wake up in

535
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter and do some heroics. But like other

536
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: than that, if they're down in a game, I don't

537
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 2: know how they're gonna come back. Because Jordan Love's going

538
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: to turn the ball over. We understand that's who he

539
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: is and we accept him for it. He's going to

540
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: have turnovers. We're going to bet the over half of

541
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Speaker 2: interception every single game, Like that's going to happen the

542
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: first day. I'm gonna to talk to you about Jordan

543
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: Love's over half interception as long as this reasonably places.

544
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, give me all the unders. I think plus

545
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: two forty on under seven and a half wins. If

546
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: they come in as seven wins here and they gotta

547
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: figure things out and revamp everything, and their fans are

548
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: calling for him to talk about head coaches and GMS firing,

549
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. So yeah, maybe the backers do

550
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: bought them out here.

551
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: If they bought them out, it's gonna because they got

552
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: off to a bad start, because there's some winnable games there.

553
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: I think early on for them, Arizona Cleveland, right, I

554
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: mean some of those games are a little tough.

555
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 3: Though.

556
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: They do have to face Washington early in the season too,

557
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: Cincinnati early in the season, their bye is early too.

558
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: They have a week five by the end of this

559
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: season is tough. They go, they go to Pittsburgh. Caroline

560
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: is not a pushover anymore. Philadelphia. Then you got to

561
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: play the Vikings twice, the Bears twice, Detroit again, the

562
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, and the Baltimore Ravens. That's a lot here

563
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: in the last like eight ten weeks of the season

564
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: there for them. That again, you better get off some

565
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: good wins, agree, because if you don't, maybe Torell's right.

566
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: Maybe the under seven and a half is actually more

567
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: viable than we realized. Did we get to your Green

568
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Bay Packer take, Andrew.

569
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: Well, I am taking the I am echoing Terrell here.

570
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 3: I'm also under even though I do think Jordan Love

571
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: could be better than last year, because I think that

572
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: he was never healthy out all last year except in

573
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: beginning the Brazil game. Then he got injured at the end,

574
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: and I don't think he was ever fully healthy. But

575
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: to me, that just means he's live for throwing the

576
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: most interceptions in the NFL in this season because he's

577
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: gonna play probably more games than last year. So I

578
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: think that's probably the angle I'm gonna take with this

579
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: Packers team that I think, yess gonna be fun for fantasy.

580
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: The defense is gonna be horrible. I don't think I

581
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 3: win a lot of games, but Jordan Love's gonna put

582
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: up a Jamis Winston esque stat line. That's al said, done, Andrew.

583
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: Let's stick with you for the Vikings here again. Six

584
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: and a half, eight and a half, ten and a half.

585
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm a little bullish on this one. I'm the over

586
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: ten and a half. I think they can get to

587
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: eleven wins this year, I really do. I believe in

588
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: the quarterback, I believe in the head coach, and I

589
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: believe the defensive coordinator. To Torell's point two flores, I

590
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: think has this team playing really well well. He made

591
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: the adjustments he needed to with the personnel he was given,

592
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: and they really took off there as the season went going.

593
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: Where do you fall for the wins for the Vikings?

594
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I like the over in the eight

595
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: and a half mis been thirty five. But I agree

596
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 3: with you that it's okay to be bullish here on

597
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings because we've seen. If McCarthy does look

598
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: good coming back from this injury and he can be

599
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: better than Sam Darnold or other quarterbacks that have been

600
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: in this Vikings offense that's been so successful, then yeah,

601
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: it's easy to see them going over ten and a

602
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: half wins. O'Connell has won thirteen plus games in two

603
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: of his last three seasons, except for the one year

604
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: where all of his quarterbacks got hurt and they weren't

605
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: able to win any games. So again, eleven point three

606
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: average for O'Connell his three seasons as the Minnesota Vikings

607
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: head coach. So I think it's easy over on the

608
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: eight and a half and then a two to one

609
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: over ten and a half. I like that. If you're

610
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 3: going to be bullish, I will say, though, maybe this

611
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: is one that I don't fire on during the offseason

612
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: because I do like the Bears. They play the Bears

613
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: week one. I think we'll get better odds after the

614
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: first month when we get I kind of want to

615
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: see McCarthy in this offense and be healthy. I really

616
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: do want to see that. So that's my only reservation.

617
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: All right, Terrell, any reservations when it comes to the

618
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: win totals here for the Vikings.

619
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, O'Connor is exactly who Brian Dabele thinks he is

620
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 2: in terms of offensive quarterback mine here talking about the

621
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: one season with no quarterbacks he bought him out, Dable.

622
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: Where's your thirteen win season, sir? Where?

623
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah?

624
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm back in O'Connell here, and I just think that

625
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: he's going to figure it out and whether no matter

626
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: how good up or down I feel about JJ and

627
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 2: what he's going to be as a quarterback, he's proven

628
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: that he can take very average quarterback play and win

629
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: a bunch of football games. That defense is really really good.

630
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: And Brian Flores also on another revenge tour. I mean,

631
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: so he had the revenge tour last year, then he

632
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: got passed over for every head coach job, and now

633
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: he's on the revenge tour again. How do we fay this?

634
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: How do we fak this?

635
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: He and last year was the same questions that I

636
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: have about the defense this year. The talent on the field.

637
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: Is the talent on the field going to be good enough?

638
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: Last year he was able, He made it work with

639
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: what he had and they were a really good defense.

640
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna assume he's gonna figure it out

641
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: to get it done again here again. And Packers might

642
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: not be as good Bears, I'm not as high on Lions.

643
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: A little bit of a step back for me, Like

644
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: this might not be a big heavy thirteen and fourteen

645
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: win team, but eleven maybe twelve win the division? Yeah yeah,

646
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Speaker 2: I like the over on the wins over here for

647
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Speaker 2: the Vans.

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00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: All right, so we all like the Vikings here, and

649
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I think Flores gets passed over because it's an offensive

650
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: league and they want offensive mind head coaches. You saw Johnson,

651
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: saw Leam Cohne. I mean that's you know, Dave can

652
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: Allics a couple of years ago. That's what we want.

653
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: That's an offensive minded league. So they don't care about

654
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: your defense. But the defense does still win championships, just

655
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: ask the Eagles. Let's talk about this division right now.

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00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: Who could win it? The Lions or at plus one

657
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: forty five, the Packers plus two sixty, the Vikings at

658
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: plus two ninety, and the Bears at plus five fifty.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with the Vikings at plus two ninety. It's

660
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: a great value. I love it. And the fact that

661
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: they're all plus money Terrella tells me that Vegas is

662
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: saying this is pretty wide open. There's no real clear

663
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: favorite here right now. There's no minus money here. So

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Speaker 1: I'll take the Vikings at plus two ninety. The fact

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00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: that the Packers are the second one I think as

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00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: a joke. But Torol, what are your thoughts?

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00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll see your Vikings plus two ninety, and I'll

668
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: raise you a Vikings four to one. There's four to

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00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: one out there on the Vikings right now, and I

670
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: legit do not feel like the Packers should be second

671
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: in the vision right now. I just that's just wrong

672
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: odds to me, there's too many question marks there, and

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00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: Jordan Love has to be really really, really really good.

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00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: If the Packers are in this division and they're in

675
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: it for the championship at the end, Jordan Love has

676
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: to have an amazing season. I would have to say

677
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: this has to be borderline MVP season for Jordan Love

678
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: for them to win the division, honestly, because of the

679
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: number of games and how bad I think the defense

680
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: is going to be. If they win the division, I

681
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: think is probably a Love IVVYP season where he just

682
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: didn't turn the ball over and he had all the

683
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: stats that he has, so I don't think that's gonna happen.

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00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: Give me the Vikings four to one, as so once again,

685
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: and I holding hand on the platform.

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Speaker 1: Holding hands ericson, come with us, join us, baby, Come on.

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00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I'm not doing that. When Joey p

688
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: and Treel Furman agree on something, what could go wrong?

689
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: You know?

690
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: Nothing. I think that is when the moon is in

691
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: the Southern sphere and Jupiter ali Mars. When Terrell and

692
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: I agree on something, so it can't be wrong. I

693
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: think this is a lock.

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00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's how you know it's not gonna hit

695
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: me when you call a lock here in Jude, it's

696
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: a lot.

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00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: Who wins this division.

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00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm going with the Chicago Bears. Give me the Chicago

699
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 3: Bars longer than five and a half? What plus five

700
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Speaker 3: point fifty forgive me the Chicago Bears to win the

701
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: division because I'm chasing the trends. I'm not chasing this.

702
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: Oh well, McCarthy's healthy. He's gonna be great. Copy paste

703
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: all the Vikings quarterbacks from the worst yester year. It'll

704
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: be awesome. But what about this trend? The worst to first?

705
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: You guys, it's right. Team last place in the division

706
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: finishes first place in the division the following season. You

707
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: know what's really cool about this one is didn't happen

708
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: last year, broke a four year streak. In fact, since

709
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 3: the two thousand and two merger, only three times has

710
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: at least a one last place team not finished first

711
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: in the division the following year. So odds are that

712
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: it's going to happen at this point this year. And

713
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: I think that when you're looking at the teams that

714
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: finished in last place across the NFL, the Bears a

715
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: looking pretty good compared to those other teams. Are the

716
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: Patriots going to overlap the Bills. Uh not according to odds,

717
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: because the Bills are one of the heaviest favorites to

718
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: win their division Tennessee Titans. Maybe cam Ward ends up

719
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Speaker 3: being c J.

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Speaker 1: Shroud from the year.

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00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: Okay, So that leaves you with the Chicago Bears as

722
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Speaker 3: that team that can make that leap from worst to

723
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Speaker 3: first because I see paths where the Lions and Packers

724
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: taking steps back, and then the Vikings are baking on

725
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: a player that's never played in the NFL coming off

726
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 3: a season ending injury. So for all those reasons, I

727
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: love the value on the Chicago Bears. So give me

728
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: them at the.

729
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: Longest on that You've got to sell me that the

730
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: coach quarterback combination of Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson is

731
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: better than all of the three competitors. And I can't

732
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: get there. I just can't get there, because to win

733
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: the division, I think they've got to both be combined

734
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: together the best duo, and I just don't see that.

735
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I think that's my problem, right, that's my stumble block

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00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: to this. So maybe it's the second year in a

737
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: row and we're going to make some history where there's

738
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Speaker 1: not a first, you know, last first.

739
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: Swell point five percent. That's the that's the odds one

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00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: of a swell point five percent of the Bears being

741
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: the one scene that is going.

742
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the YouTube comments. YouTube comments,

743
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: drop them below. Who do you think is gonna win

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00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: this division? In the meantime, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: our favorite bets for this division, and a quick reminder

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Speaker 1: a live look at what the public is doing so

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752
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: plays to make and which place to fade. But you

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Speaker 1: are staying ahead of all of the competition. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to our favorite picks for this division, and I'm gonna

759
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: go with ap NFL Comeback Player of the Year. Aiden

760
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Hutchinson might win Defensive Player of the Year too, you

761
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: never know, but at plus three twenty, I like those odds.

762
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: So give me Aiden Hutchinson NFL Comeback Player of the

763
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Year this season. Most regular receiving yards. I'm buying the

764
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: JJ to JJ connection. Justin Jefferson plus seven to fifty,

765
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm getting right back into it. And Aaron

766
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Jones regular season rushing total. I'm going under seven fifty

767
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: and a half at minus one fourteen, I think Jordan

768
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: Mason not only eats into that role, but Aaron Jones

769
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: is a lot of tread on those tires. So I'm

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00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: betting against the old running back. Terrell, what are your

771
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: favorite bets for the NFC?

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00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: North Well, I like the Vikings to go ahead and

773
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: get that done and win the division. If they win

774
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: the division and come like one or two seed, there's

775
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of awards given out to this team,

776
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: and so one they love the quarterbacks. Sorry for your play,

777
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: but JJ Comeback Player of the Year plus eight fifty.

778
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean that's just laid up right there. First of all,

779
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: I just want you to know you gotta come back

780
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: and he kind of wasn't there in the first place,

781
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: but they're still gonna vote for him for it, So okay,

782
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: cool cool. Since they're gonna vote for him for it,

783
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: let me get JJ there at that price plus eight fifty,

784
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: and I think I've sold myself. Let me just go

785
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: ahead and take the Packers underwin to the ladder. Give

786
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: me under nine and a half, and then give me

787
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: under seven and a half at plus two forty. Like,

788
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: let's just face the Packers all the way here. And

789
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: I wish they had the line for Jordan love moostter interceptions,

790
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: but I'll be on that suit for sure.

791
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: All right. I'm sure Ericson will be also from the

792
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: way you guys were talking about it. Ericson, what are

793
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: your favorite bets for this division coming up this season?

794
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta say I love the co Player of

795
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: the Year pick from Furman because they changed the rules

796
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: of this award where you have to come back from

797
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: an injury. So don't vote the players that are not

798
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: coming back from injuries, like they can't win the awards.

799
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: Sam could never win the award. You can't win from

800
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: coming back. Just be that's no one got to the

801
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco thing. They're like, you can't have anymore.

802
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: So, yeah, but that was a good Joe Flacco doesn't

803
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: come back, man, Yeah, the Bill's defensive player that died

804
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: on the field that came back. Yeah yeah, DeMar Hamlin,

805
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah he should have.

806
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: He should have won the award.

807
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: No, Joe Flacco actually played well.

808
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: But he wasn't coming back. He was coming back from

809
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: the couch.

810
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't he Man Hamlin didn't even did DeMar Hamblin

811
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: even do anything that Sason like.

812
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I think he just got the ward, but he wasn't

813
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: like a game changing player. It was an incredible story

814
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: that he came back, and I don't want to discount

815
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: that incredible moment there. But at the same time, this

816
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: award should be about coming back and playing, not coming

817
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: back and just being alive and playing. And that's what

818
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: it's about. And Joe Flacco is an old man getting

819
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: involved the couch. Oh do you want to talk as

820
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: hard as to get off the couch. You wait till

821
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: you're in your forties, My friend, you see what it's like,

822
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, ask Karon Rodgers what's like.

823
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: I'll be sure to look at my my Comeback Player

824
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: of the Year Odds as well when that happens. So

825
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: my favorite the year, my favorite plays for this division.

826
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: So I kind of talked myself into this too. All

827
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: the Jordan Love overs in terms of interceptions, yards, touchdowns,

828
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: I just think that he's gonna be slinging it, so

829
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 3: they're really low. I'm looking right now on betting pros.

830
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: Thirty five hundred is his total passing yards prop twenty

831
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: four and a half passing touchdowns. I think that these

832
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: are easy overs, and then once the interceptions are up,

833
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: we are jumping all over that. So I do like that.

834
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: Going back to my Bears, love taking them over on

835
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: eight and a half, taking them to win the division

836
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: at nearly six to one odds. Bear down baby, And

837
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: this is another. This is another one that's not posted yet,

838
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: but when they post the rushing touchdown market most rushing touchdowns,

839
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: Jordan Mason. That's the pick for me, Yeah, because I

840
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: think that the Vikings are going to be again. If

841
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: they're an efficient offense, they're gonna have scoring opportunities. And

842
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, the amount of money I lost on this

843
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: guy last year on any touchdown bets, I'm not doing

844
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: it again. Jordan Mason is the goal line back, and

845
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: I think you could score at least double digit touchdowns.

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