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Speaker 1: Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, and

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Speaker 4: I am incredibly proud to welcome onto the Verdict podcast

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Speaker 4: So basically this well, the Democrat Party, I think is

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Speaker 4: Example I've used also in my family, you know, with

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Speaker 4: And it's you know, we're talking about what you teach

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Speaker 4: Uh Ben, You're a father, You understand when you're when

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Speaker 3: Us, Absolutely true. I had a conversation with one of

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Speaker 3: It's right in line with what we're talking about right now.

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Speaker 3: I said, Tim, do you agree that there's really nobody

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Speaker 4: Know, there's an old saying that every time I see

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's very true. It's very true. So now to

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Speaker 4: Well, as mayor, you showed enormous courage. So there were

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Speaker 3: part of some legislative caucus where I'm just sort of,

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Speaker 3: you know, having to be a good team player. I'm

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Speaker 3: responsible for people's lives, like I'm responsible for making the

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Speaker 3: call to keep people alive and make sure that my

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Speaker 3: city is you know, people are safe there and so

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Speaker 3: oh it's supposed to it should. Once you've been given

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Speaker 3: that kind of responsibility, it should change you, like you

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Speaker 3: should look at things differently. And sure enough, I get

446
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Speaker 3: tested pretty early on with this to fund the police thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I'm just going to break it down for about

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Speaker 3: what the choice became very simple.

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Speaker 1: First, I want to say thank you to so many

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Speaker 1: of you that have got involved and help the people

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Speaker 1: in Israel. And you know about the atrocites that were

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Speaker 1: committed by Hamas last October seventh, but there is still

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Speaker 1: major needs on the ground. This vicious war that has

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Speaker 1: been kicked off by Israel having to defend herself from

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Speaker 1: terrorists on every side, and the toll on the Israeli

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Speaker 1: people is staggering and massive. There are hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of Israelis that have been forced from their homes, entire

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Speaker 1: communities that have been torn apart, and lives that have

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Speaker 1: been devastated by death and destruction. That is why we're

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Speaker 1: asking you to help get involved with the International Fellowship

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Speaker 1: single day on the ground in Israel, they're distributing critical

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Speaker 1: essentials still like things like basic food and water, medicine,

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Speaker 1: emergency supplies for hundreds of thousands of suffering Jews. The

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Speaker 1: That's support IFCJ dot org. Thank you and God bless

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Speaker 1: you guys for getting involved. Here's some people know that

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Speaker 1: listening around the county because I think it's an important point.

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Speaker 1: The defund the police movement that was rolled out nationwide.

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Speaker 1: They wanted it to be successful in big cities. Dallas

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Speaker 1: was one of them. This was a lot of outside

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Speaker 1: pressure as well, from coming from outside of Dallas where

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Speaker 1: they were organizing.

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Speaker 3: What happened I've never seen since they didn't even live

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Speaker 3: in I don't even know where. They don't even show.

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Speaker 3: It was a national it was a national campaign with

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Speaker 3: people who were you know, rent a protester types, I guess.

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Speaker 3: But here's my point. It's absolutely true there was a

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Speaker 3: national movement. But the choice was pretty clear. If you

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Speaker 3: were a mayor of a major American city, and more

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Speaker 3: than likely you were a Democrat, then because I think

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Speaker 3: the number is roughly seventy five percent of the top

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Speaker 3: one hundred seas in America are run by Democrats, and

496
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Speaker 3: every mayor in the top ten before me it was

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Speaker 3: a Democrat, you really had two choices go along with

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Speaker 3: to defund the police idea, because that's where the left was,

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Speaker 3: that's where the activists were, That's where the pressure was,

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Speaker 3: was to defund and defund men anything from like what

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Speaker 3: they did here in Austin, a forty percent across the

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Speaker 3: board cut to your police department for no reason, not

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Speaker 3: based on any fact, just because some activists decided that

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Speaker 3: sound like a good number. The proposal in Dallas was

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Speaker 3: sixty that's what they wanted in Dallas sixty percent. You

506
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Speaker 3: can either do that and be a good Democrat and

507
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Speaker 3: people to leave you alone, or you could be a

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Speaker 3: sellout and a bad Democrat and not do it and

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Speaker 3: incur the ire. You're looking at the one Democratic mayor

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Speaker 3: that I'm aware of in the United States who said

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. And the result and this is,

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Speaker 3: like I said, when we started to get close closer,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the result was protests for weeks on end

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Speaker 3: at night against Dallas City ordinances with amplification and bullhorns

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Speaker 3: and all stuff, against Dalla City ordinances, standing on my

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Speaker 3: private property, not on the street in an acceptable protest perimeter,

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Speaker 3: but like on the grass, looking in the windows with

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Speaker 3: two little children and a wife, like intentionally trying to

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Speaker 3: intimidate me into changing my position to defund the police.

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Speaker 3: And I never caved, even though it was horrible, horrible,

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Speaker 3: horrible from my family. And that is when I really

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Speaker 3: start to understand this isn't the fringe anymore of the

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Speaker 3: Democratic Party. This is the Democratic Party. Like this is

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Speaker 3: where we are on public safety as the Democratic Party now.

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Speaker 3: And if you actually believe in law and order and

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Speaker 3: making sure that people are safe, then there is no

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Speaker 3: more part of the Democratic Party that is with you

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Speaker 3: on that, because I'm looking for those people. I'm waiting

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Speaker 3: for the phone calls from just one, for just one

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Speaker 3: Democratic congress person or one Democratic officeholder to say we're

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Speaker 3: with you. You know you're doing the right thing, and

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Speaker 3: here's the truth. And I've never said this public but

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Speaker 3: i'll say it now. The only calls I got during

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Speaker 3: that entire time saying hold the line, keep your people safe,

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Speaker 3: you're doing a good job. We're from Republicans and I

536
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Speaker 3: was a Democrat as far as they knew, and there

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Speaker 3: was no you, There's no there was no reason other

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Speaker 3: than it's the right thing to do what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: and we won't let you know that. There was nothing

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Speaker 3: to be gained politically from you standing with me publicly

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Speaker 3: and saying this is the right thing to do. Greg

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Speaker 3: Abbott did it, You did it, Dan Patrick did it.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people just said that mayor's doing the

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Speaker 3: right thing. And so Democrats, I saw at that point

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Speaker 3: were pretty lost on the public safety issue. But then

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Speaker 3: on top of that, I started to see and I

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Speaker 3: didn't have this responsibility as a legislator and I got it.

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Speaker 3: As the mayor, I have to protect people's incomes and

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Speaker 3: make sure people can actually afford to live in this

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Speaker 3: city because we are bleeding residents to lower tax jurisdictions.

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Speaker 3: So I started to really dig into our tech policy

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Speaker 3: and saying, you know, what are we doing to help

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Speaker 3: our residents be able to live here, have businesses here,

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Speaker 3: and be competitive with our local you know, our competitors.

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Speaker 3: And it turns out that we were doing a pretty

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Speaker 3: bad job of actually even making an attempt to protect

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Speaker 3: our taxpayers. We had the highest tax rate in Dallas

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Speaker 3: of any of the cities in the area, and we

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Speaker 3: have the second highest of any major city in the state,

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Speaker 3: and so I really wanted to change that. The resistance

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Speaker 3: that I got from the left leaning members of our

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Speaker 3: council was incredible, and the way the argument was couched,

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Speaker 3: and the way the strategy is to couch any effort

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Speaker 3: to rein in spending at all, even to hold it

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Speaker 3: steady from your to year, is being heartless and not

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Speaker 3: caring about people. That resonated with me because I realized

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Speaker 3: now that's actually been what the Democratic Party has been

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Speaker 3: about all along, and what I've sort of been an

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Speaker 3: unwitting accessory to which is painting people who just want

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Speaker 3: to leave people alone or leave people with more of

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Speaker 3: their income, people do what they want to do for

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Speaker 3: their families, supposed to taking it from them and spending

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Speaker 3: it on things they never asked for in the first place,

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Speaker 3: primarily so that politicians can have something to campaign on.

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Speaker 3: They perfected the art of making anyone who was opposed

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Speaker 3: to that seem like they were against the people they

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Speaker 3: were trying to help.

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Speaker 2: Them, that they demonized you, they attack personally.

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Speaker 3: And so I became heartless. I became someone who didn't

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Speaker 3: care about people. I'll give you an example of just

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Speaker 3: last week. I'm in a I'm in the minority. I'm

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Speaker 3: in a twelve to three minority vote that I lost

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Speaker 3: on my city council last week because I voted against

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Speaker 3: us appropriating almost three quarters of a million dollars to

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Speaker 3: make sure that anybody in Dallas who needs tampons or

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Speaker 3: other femine hygiene products could have them from the City

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Speaker 3: of Dallas. I said, I don't know why on earth

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Speaker 3: we think that is something that we ought to be

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Speaker 3: doing as a city with people's tax dollars. Well, there's

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Speaker 3: three hundred more programs just like that, and when you

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Speaker 3: add them all together, that's how you end up with

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Speaker 3: a budget that grows year after year after year. We've

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Speaker 3: gotten into more and more things that we don't need

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Speaker 3: to be into, and so I said, I'm in the

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Speaker 3: wrong party of public safety for sure, but I'm also

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Speaker 3: not really into this hole. Just tax people to death

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Speaker 3: so you can do all this liberal experimentation and so on.

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Speaker 3: The matter, on the issues that were most important as

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Speaker 3: a mayor and that were most important in my family,

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Speaker 3: the Democratic parties was battened a goose egg on those issues,

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Speaker 3: and I started to think, there really is very little

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Speaker 3: reason why a person who is a common sense, fiscally

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Speaker 3: responsible person ought to be voting Democrats, particularly at the

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Speaker 3: local level, unless there's some sort of social reason that

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Speaker 3: you just can't give up where you need to be

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Speaker 3: accepted by your friends and family, and I just don't

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Speaker 3: have that. I don't have that need.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that a little more.

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Speaker 4: But I will say one of the greatest ironies is

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Speaker 4: the rhetoric that the left uses in support of their

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Speaker 4: policies I think is one hundred and eighty degrees opposite reality. So,

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Speaker 4: for example, the effort to defund the police is advanced

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Speaker 4: by movements and activists and billionaire donors who are embracing

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Speaker 4: the slogan black Lives Matter. Now as a statement, black

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Speaker 4: lives matter is unequivocally, absolutely true, but the undeniable fact

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Speaker 4: is that when you defund the police, inevitably more African

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Speaker 4: Americans are more Black lives are lost because for a

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Speaker 4: great many of our African American citizens and our Hispanic citizens,

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Speaker 4: they live in in more low income neighbor neighborhoods that

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Speaker 4: are that are more subject to crime. And when you

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Speaker 4: pull law enforcement out, you know, we're we're at a

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Speaker 4: dinner right now. I guarantee you anyone here if we

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Speaker 4: told you, hey, we're gonna pull the cops out of

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Speaker 4: your neighborhood, everyone here would say no, no, that's a terrible idea.

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Speaker 4: But yet we see these left wing activists, in the

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Speaker 4: name of a slogan black Lives Matter, removing police protections

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Speaker 4: from vulnerable black families, and the result is far more

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Speaker 4: African American murders, and yet they continue to embrace that

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Speaker 4: same rheter.

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Speaker 3: So I don't have to guess about it, because not

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Speaker 3: only do I have the knowledge of being the mayor

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Speaker 3: and knowing the crime statistics for my city. But I

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Speaker 3: also have the the experience, the lived experience of growing

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Speaker 3: up African American in Dallas in the very communities that

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Speaker 3: we're talking about. So I am familiar with this issue

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Speaker 3: is intimately as you can possibly be, both from sort

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Speaker 3: of the policy making standpoint and just the life experience.

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Speaker 3: And I can tell you I'm going to end the

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Speaker 3: suspense for folks. I'm not guessing about it. I can

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Speaker 3: speak on it with authority. And It's why the people

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Speaker 3: I'm left or even they don't even challenge me on

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Speaker 3: this because they know that I'm not only am I right,

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Speaker 3: but that I have the credibility on that I got

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Speaker 3: the street credit to speak on this. The Black Lives

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Speaker 3: Matter thing and the defund the police thing are kind

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Speaker 3: of issues that have been conflated, but the truth of the

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Speaker 3: matter is is defund the police, for sure, was a

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Speaker 3: construct of frankly white liberals who don't live in those

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Speaker 3: communities at all yep, and was never asked for irrespective

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Speaker 3: of their partipulation by African Americans who lived in crime

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Speaker 3: ridden neighborhoods. Never African Americans never at any point said

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Speaker 3: we want the police out of our communities. They said,

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Speaker 3: we want more police than our communit. We want them

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Speaker 3: to be well trained, we want them to know, we

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Speaker 3: want we want to live in a safe community, and

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Speaker 1: was the reaction of police officers when this was going down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw a lot of them were trying to,

686
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Speaker 1: you know, be quiet, say the politics.

687
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: But you were a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: You have a large police force with a lot of

689
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Speaker 1: minorities in it. What were they saying to you privately

690
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: during that time?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll just I'll answer that one really quickly. Everybody

692
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: I believe in law enforcement could not believe and was

693
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: so relieved that they had the one person who in

694
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: this role everywhere else in the country was caving who

695
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: was standing up. They were very grateful and it's what

696
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Speaker 3: earned me the just enduring support of law enforcement for

697
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Speaker 3: my entire mayoralty because I stood by them. But I

698
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: wasn't standing by them just to send a message. I

699
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: was saying because it was absolutely what the city needed.

700
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Speaker 3: Law enforcement hadn't done anything wrong where they deserved for

701
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Speaker 3: that rhetoric to be thrown out around them, and having

702
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Speaker 3: cutting sixty percent from a police department that's not trimming

703
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: around the edges. That's salary and benefit, that's recruitment, that's

704
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a real that's putting them in more

705
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Speaker 3: danger doing our aready a dangerous job, and so they

706
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 3: really appreciated that. But I want to put a fine

707
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Speaker 3: point in this issue with African American community when as

708
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: it relates to public safety, because it relates to what

709
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Speaker 3: I believe is part of why I think that this

710
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: party switch to mind is not important because I switched part.

711
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: It's a that's almost insignificant, But what it represents for

712
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Speaker 3: the potentiality for this group of people who I honestly

713
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: believe just have not had anybody come to them in

714
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Speaker 3: a spirit of love and concern who's operating from within

715
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Speaker 3: the community, not saying I sort of exist outside of it,

716
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Speaker 3: and let me lecture you about what you should a

717
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: acknowledged and accepted and proud member of it, saying, let

718
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Speaker 3: me explain to you why we've been duped a little

719
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: bit here and why what was once maybe a good

720
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 3: idea or sounded like one has now actually been categorically

721
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Speaker 3: proven to be a failed strategy.

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Speaker 2: Me drill down on that a little bit. And this

723
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Speaker 2: is just something that they're.

724
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Speaker 3: Strong about, this one. This is a this is bigger, way,

725
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: bigger than one guy switching. This ought to be about

726
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: people going, why am I still a Democrat? If this

727
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Speaker 3: is what I care about?

728
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Speaker 4: You know well, and this is a theme you of

729
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 4: referenced several times that I think is really important. I

730
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Speaker 4: emphatically believe and I think you do as well, that

731
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Speaker 4: the policies of the left, the policies of liberal Democrats,

732
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Speaker 4: have been deeply harmful to the African American community, to

733
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Speaker 4: the Hispanic community. That they exacerbate poverty, they exacerbate crime,

734
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Speaker 4: They they have that they throttle educational excellence and opportunity.

735
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Speaker 4: And yet we still have in Texas at across the

736
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Speaker 4: country an overwhelming majority of African Americans voting Democrat. And

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Speaker 4: so I guess I want to ask two things. One,

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Speaker 4: you made reference to it before about how kind of

739
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Speaker 4: culturally you're essentially told you're a Democrat, that's what it

740
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Speaker 4: means to be black. I'd like you to kind of

741
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Speaker 4: explain a little bit why you think that is. And

742
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Speaker 4: then the second part of it is, Look, we're seeing,

743
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Speaker 4: especially in Texas, but other parts of the country, we're

744
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Speaker 4: seeing the Hispanic community is getting more and more Republican

745
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: every day, and we're seeing the African American community. I

746
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: think there's some movement, but we've got a lot further

747
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Speaker 4: to go in the African American community. What do you think,

748
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Speaker 4: what do you think is persuasive? What should Republicans do

749
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Speaker 4: to earn more support in the African American community going forward.

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Speaker 3: I think it's an amazingly important question, and I appreciate

751
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 3: you asking it, and it's complicated, yeah, but I think

752
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Speaker 3: if we're going to start that conversation tonight a little bit,

753
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Speaker 3: and I really appreciate you having this conversation with me.

754
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Speaker 3: I've not ever had an opportunity to talk about this

755
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 3: is stuff that I've been thinking about my whole life. Yeah,

756
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Speaker 3: and that had really any opportunity to really do anything

757
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Speaker 3: about it. And I feel like I'm at this at

758
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Speaker 3: this point in my life now where maybe we can

759
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Speaker 3: actually see the numbers of African Americans change to support

760
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Speaker 3: the Republican Party. I think this. I think it's perfectly

761
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Speaker 3: understandable in a limited resource environment, which is what any

762
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: political campaign is or any political party is, Like resources

763
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Speaker 3: are infinite. To say to any group that at any

764
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Speaker 3: point in time is only throwing you ten percent of

765
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Speaker 3: their support, they're against you ninety percent of the time,

766
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Speaker 3: that that's not where we ought to be investing. I

767
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Speaker 3: think that's a perfectly rational decision. Well, that the perfectly

768
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Speaker 3: rational decision in a lot of ways to not play

769
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Speaker 3: the game at all because it's it's not perceived to

770
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: be a particularly fruitful game plays very easily into a

771
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Speaker 3: narrative that and therefore that party doesn't care at all. Right,

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Speaker 3: So you got one party that may be able to

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Speaker 3: be criticized for being inefficient and ineffective, but they're telling

774
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Speaker 3: you they care, and you got another party they might

775
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: not be telling you they hate you, but they're just

776
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Speaker 3: sort of focused on groups that produce more efficiently support.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a it's a tough slog when you're

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Speaker 3: talking about ninety ten, and so it's understandable, but it's

779
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Speaker 3: coming a cost. What I'm saying, and what I'm feeling

780
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Speaker 3: instinctively politically right now, is that there's a there's been

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Speaker 3: a maturation that was inevitable in African Americans position in

782
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Speaker 3: this country. We are better off than we've ever been.

783
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Speaker 3: Are we as well off as we like to be? No,

784
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Speaker 3: but we we are better off. We're better educated, we're

785
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Speaker 3: better everything. There's anybody who says we're not better off

786
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Speaker 3: today than we were, you know, in the immediate aftermath

787
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Speaker 3: of the Civil War or Durns Rights era is just

788
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Speaker 3: playing a game. They're playing a retortal game. Yes we are,

789
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Speaker 3: We're not where we'd like to be, but we are

790
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Speaker 3: better than We're further than we've ever been. What that means, though,

791
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Speaker 3: is that people maybe have more of an opportunity now

792
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Speaker 3: to sit back and look at things and ask that

793
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Speaker 3: question of how has this approach of making everything about

794
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Speaker 3: the community in terms of everything I do is written

795
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Speaker 3: off to societal factors? Right? We can't hold we can't

796
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Speaker 3: even hold a criminal accountable because it's society's fault. Everything

797
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: in the Democratic Party, my experience was anything you tried

798
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Speaker 3: to actually pin on an individual was written off to society.

799
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Speaker 3: So as a mayor, for example, I am really deeply

800
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Speaker 3: concerned about the victims of crime because they did nothing wrong.

801
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Speaker 3: The law enforcement folks who are out there risking their

802
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Speaker 3: lives to prevent crime and to address crime, and and

803
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Speaker 3: then there would be victims of crime that we're trying

804
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Speaker 3: to protect. Right, That's why I care about victims, would

805
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Speaker 3: be victims, cops. The Democrat Party really seems, i mean

806
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Speaker 3: legitimately seems to care more about the perpetrators of crimes

807
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: than the victims of crimes or the would be victims

808
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Speaker 3: or the police. And I tell you what my evidence

809
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: of that is is whenever somebody does anything, the finger

810
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: gets pointed at the rest of us and we get

811
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Speaker 3: told how if we just had built another recreation center,

812
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Speaker 3: or you know, if we had put more money into

813
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Speaker 3: the schools, this person may not have murdered that person,

814
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Speaker 3: or this person may not have raped that person. I

815
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: grew up as poor and as black as you can

816
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Speaker 3: grow up, and I can tell you in every poor

817
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: black community in this country, eighty percent of the people,

818
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 3: like in any other group, are making the decision every

819
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Speaker 3: single day to follow the law and do it by

820
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Speaker 3: the rules. It's twenty percent, like in any group.

821
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Speaker 4: Well, look, the whole country saw the image just couple

822
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Speaker 4: of weeks ago of the six illegal immigrants in New

823
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Speaker 4: York City who beat up to New York cups. They

824
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Speaker 4: get arrested and within hours they get released no bail,

825
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Speaker 4: and they walk out and with both hands they're flipping

826
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Speaker 4: the bird at everyone.

827
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Speaker 3: And that.

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Speaker 2: To me, that image.

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Speaker 4: Of those angry illegal immigrants flipping the bird, I think

830
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Speaker 4: sums up the absolute depravity of the view of the left.

831
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Speaker 4: And we're seeing, Look, we're seeing great American cities being destroyed.

832
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Speaker 4: As you know, Heidi, my wife is a native California,

833
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Speaker 4: and you look at California, look at a city like

834
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Speaker 4: San Francisco. San Francisco is an iconic American city. In

835
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years, twenty two major retailers have

836
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Speaker 4: shut down downtown because the crime has gotten so bad.

837
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Speaker 4: And I remember Heidi's family lives in California, called and

838
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Speaker 4: they just said on the phone door said, well, gosh,

839
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Speaker 4: you know, what can we do? People just go into

840
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Speaker 4: stores and and you know, just take stuff. There's nothing

841
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Speaker 4: we can do about it. I remember I'm listening to that,

842
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Speaker 4: and I said, yes, there is. You throw their ass

843
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Speaker 4: in jail.

844
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Speaker 2: Like put them in handcuffs, or arrest them.

845
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Speaker 3: It's worse than But if it's worse than that center,

846
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Speaker 3: and this is what I'm getting at too, it's worse

847
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Speaker 3: than that. It's it's quite predictable when you when you

848
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Speaker 3: literally change the policies in the prosecutor's office and you

849
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Speaker 3: say we won't prosecute theft of any amount underneath one

850
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars, and then you don't just make that some

851
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: sort of and it would still be bad internal memorandum.

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Speaker 2: You go on the news, the publicize, you let every

853
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Speaker 2: criminal know.

854
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Speaker 3: Is it really a surprise that you have an uptick,

855
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Speaker 3: not even an uptick, a sharp increase in smash and

856
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: grab jobs and and shoplifting again in an effort to

857
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 3: do some of these things that sound good on paper.

858
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: Because society is at fault, not individuals, we do crazy things,

859
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: these das and things. Stop prosecuting crimes because it's not fair.

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Speaker 3: You know what, back to the eighty twenty split, which

861
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Speaker 3: is just sort of the metaphorical split in any group

862
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: of people who are doing the right thing, people aren't.

863
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: That twenty percent just needs to be held accountable for

864
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: making an individual choice to break the law and kill

865
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Speaker 3: someone or rape someone or terrorize the community. And we

866
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Speaker 3: need to stop pretending like everything can be attributed to

867
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Speaker 3: some societal factor. It's just not the way it actually is.

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Speaker 4: All right, we need to wrap up soon, but I

869
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Speaker 4: want to ask two questions to close.

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Speaker 2: One.

871
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: In your view, part of what you answered in terms

872
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: of how Republicans can do a better job in the

873
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: African American community is just showing up and demonstrating that

874
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: they give a damn.

875
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: And I think that absolutely is.

876
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: I didn't really say all I need to say on

877
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: that because it's not just about it's not about emoting

878
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 3: and showing up into saying we care. It's I think

879
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: having an alternative to the liberal approach.

880
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 4: Well, and that's where my question was going to go,

881
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 4: which is what issues do you think resonate most powerfully

882
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 4: in the African American community that by focusing on those issues,

883
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: have a potential to earn their support by saying, look,

884
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: this is an issue that is going to make a

885
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 4: difference in your life and your family. I am deeply

886
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: passionate on school choice. I think school choice is the

887
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: most fundamental civil rights issue in the entire country.

888
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: But I'm interested in your.

889
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 4: Thoughts of what issues actually will resonate and cause voters

890
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 4: who have voted Democrat their whole life to reconsider. Gosh,

891
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: maybe that maybe the policies that they're foisting upon me

892
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: are not working.

893
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: I think if a Republican candidate for president, candidate for governor,

894
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: candidate for mayor, candidate of anybody who's actually perceived to

895
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: be running for an executive type position in charge went

896
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 3: to an African American community, I'm talking of people who

897
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: are members of the community who are going to vote

898
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: and participate in the process. You know, people who are

899
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: invested in their community and said, I'm the person who's

900
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: going to come in here and I'm going to make

901
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 3: this a safe community for you, because no one before

902
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 3: me has done that, no one either side this community

903
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: is you deserve a safer neighborhood than you're living in.

904
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: I want you to be able to walk from your

905
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: house to the end of the block and back home

906
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: without being worried about being mugged. Or robbed or killed

907
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 3: out and you don't feel safe doing that right now.

908
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 3: I want your grandson to feel safe walking from the

909
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: school bus home, and he doesn't feel safe doing that

910
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: right now. I want to restore a genuine sense of

911
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 3: safety to this community. That's number one. Number two, understand

912
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: that the burden of high taxes falls disproportionately on you.

913
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: I have polling from my mayoral campaigns that shows in Dallas, Texas,

914
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 3: the groups of voters who most want their taxes lowered

915
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 3: are African Americans, followed by Latinos. Whites are in third

916
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: place because they're paying a higher percentage of their income

917
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: and the taxes it hits them the hardest. They are

918
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: the most worked up about their property tax. Build would

919
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 3: most like to see. I'm going to take it.

920
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: It's a barrier entry.

921
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 4: If you're climbing the economic ladder, it hits you the

922
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 4: hardest on the earliest round.

923
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 3: This is supported by polling data. It will show you

924
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: that poorer folks actually are most crippled by reckless tax

925
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: policy at the local level, in particular, because there's no

926
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: there's no game, there's no play a game around that.

927
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: There's no tax credit this, and you know, figure that out.

928
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: Like the tax bills just do or they foreclose on

929
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: the house and you just gotta find a way to

930
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: pay it. And that's just all there is to that.

931
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: So high property taxes is a horrible thing for poor folks.

932
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: You come in and you tell them we're gonna we're

933
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: gonna deal with this, these tax burdens that you're facing.

934
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 3: We're gonna deal with the safety in these communities, and

935
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna give your kids viable choices for schooling. We're

936
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: gonna make sure that you actually have a shot at

937
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: a decent education. I think at that point people are like,

938
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: I don't care, I don't know what party you said

939
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: you're with, but I'm ready to sign I'm ready to

940
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: sign up for that. And you say, well, actually, everything

941
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: I have just describe to you is right dead down

942
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: the center of the fairway Republican policy. Yep, everything I

943
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: just told that's Republican policy. I think people will literally say, then,

944
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: I don't know why I've been voting Democrat this whole time.

945
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: All Right, there's gonna be a lot of people that

946
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: are listening and they're gonna want to ask this questions.

947
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask it if you were up for reelection

948
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: right now running into Republican for mayor. Yes, your policies

949
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: haven't changed. The only things changed they d went to

950
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: an car.

951
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 3: Correct, could you win? I'd win overwhelmingly. I don't have

952
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: any doubt about it, no doubt about it. And I'll

953
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: tell you why I believe that. I'll tell you why

954
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm glad someone finally asked me that on the record.

955
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: That's sort of the chatter as well.

956
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: That's why I ask I going to say, oh, well,

957
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: this thay I could never win. That's why he waited

958
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: till the end of his serve and then switch parties.

959
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: So here here's the reality that people have to ignore

960
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 3: to even make that argument. But I understand why people

961
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: need to make it. I mean I told someone, I said,

962
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: you know, you don't switch parties in the two parties

963
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: from one or the other and think the other party

964
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: is going to say, well, you know, we wish him

965
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: the best.

966
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: He was great and it's our loss.

967
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: You know, they got to come up with something and

968
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: that kind of These are the kinds of arguments they've

969
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: come up with. But here's the reality. I won my

970
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: last election with It wasn't ninety three percent. Dallas City,

971
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: you know, has ordinances about how right in candidates get

972
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 3: on the ballot, and if you write in a name

973
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: other than the actual right in candidate's name, that's there.

974
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 3: You just essentially didn't vote. You threw your vote, your

975
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: bowt in the trash of the cast votes, which we were

976
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: canvassed by the city and are the official records of

977
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: the city. Ninety eight point seven percent of the vote.

978
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: That's Democrats and Republicans in that group. That's a pretty

979
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: hearty endorsement of the incumbent mayor. And I didn't run

980
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: with a D or an R behind my name. I

981
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: ran just with you, know, as Eric Johnson, because you

982
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: don't run in Texas, in any city with a D

983
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: or for folks who aren't from Texas, we don't actually

984
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: have partisan elections in Texas for mayor. You just run,

985
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 3: and you don't run with a party support. Now, what

986
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: do I think would have actually happened if I had

987
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 3: just come out and said six months before the election,

988
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: I'm actually a Republican. Here's what would have happened. Some

989
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: Democrats would have gotten together and said, well, this is

990
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: an opportunity for us to run an ostensibly just overtly

991
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: partisan candidate. We're going to do something that's never been

992
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 3: done in dallasmore, which is to just make it partisan,

993
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: like to say, Okay, we got an R running and

994
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: now we're going to run a D against him. The

995
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: problem is that the are you're talking about for four

996
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 3: years well enough to clear the field and win with

997
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: ninety eight or seven percent of the vote. But that

998
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 3: didn't happen yet. So let's just go back and say

999
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: a Republican has been that effective who happens to also

1000
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 3: be African American and supported by the African American community.

1001
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: We think that that person would lose simply by saying

1002
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: I've become a Republican. I think what happens is is

1003
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 3: I won the first race in a contested nine person

1004
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 3: field that it went to a runoff with twelve percent

1005
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: of the vote. I won, you know, fifty six forty four.

1006
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: I think that goes down to the normal, you know,

1007
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 3: pretty solid win of a you know, fifty four fifty

1008
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: three percent win. But I still win. There's still question

1009
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 3: I still win that race because I'm the incumbent at

1010
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: that point. No incumbent mayor if we've had Republican and

1011
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 3: Democrat mayors before. By the way, no incumbent mayor seeking

1012
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: re election in Dallas has ever lost ever.

1013
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 4: Let me ask a final question, which is you have

1014
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 4: started now a national organization, a Republican Mayor's Association, and

1015
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 4: you have been out articulating that Republicans need to have

1016
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: an agenda for the cities, that we can't just write

1017
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 4: off big cities where an awful lot of Americans live.

1018
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: And I think that's a very important message. It's something

1019
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 4: and I want to ask you what's your vision for

1020
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 4: the message Republicans should have in the cities and how

1021
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 4: do we end up with a lot more.

1022
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: Republican mayors the big cities. What's the path forward there?

1023
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: I said this in the Wall Street Journale, and I

1024
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: meant it. It's a two way benefit for America and

1025
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: for our party. America needs the leadership that Republicans provide

1026
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: at the local level because of the things we talked

1027
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 3: about just a few minutes ago. A Republican mayor is

1028
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: going to is going to because it's part of the

1029
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: DNA of the party, is going to be right on

1030
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: order issues, going to be right on public safety. People

1031
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 3: who've asked me about that I've said, let me just

1032
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: quiz you very quickly. Every bad idea you can think

1033
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 3: of about public safety came from one side of the aisle.

1034
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: There's not even a mixed bag on this issue. If

1035
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: it's a bad idea when it comes to public safety,

1036
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: you know, defund the police, don't prosecute, shop with whatever.

1037
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: Republicans don't propose ideas that undermine law and order. They

1038
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 3: not every Democrat believes them, but they only emanate from

1039
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: the Democrat. Yeah, that's just a factual statement. So a

1040
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: Republican is going to be right on law and order

1041
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: in public safety, a Republican mayor is going to be

1042
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: right on taxes. A Republican mayor ought to be right

1043
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: on infrastructure spending and investing prudently. And there's studies that show,

1044
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: I mean been they have proven that you actually have

1045
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: lower debt levels and you issue less debt when you

1046
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: have a Republican mayor versus a Democrat when they've mit

1047
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 3: professor actually studied this and concluded that it is a

1048
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: statistically significant different level of debt associated with a city

1049
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: when there's a Republican in charge and a Democrat in charge.

1050
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: So we actually need Republicans running our major cities because

1051
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: eighty percent of Americans live in the cities. By twenty fifty,

1052
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: that number is going to be ninety percent. So the

1053
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: country actually needs the leadership. But I'm actually telling you

1054
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: as a group of partisans, we actually have to pay

1055
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 3: attention to this. And I think we have to pay

1056
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: attention to it because I, in my heart of hearts,

1057
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: believe that by being competitive in the cities, by basically

1058
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: re engaging, because we were once engaged. There was a

1059
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: Republican Majors Association at one time. It had a similar name.

1060
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: It was like the Republican Conference. It was during the

1061
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: Ford administration, and it's at some point we just lost

1062
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: interest in competing at that level and it sort of

1063
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: just faded away. But it was very active at one time,

1064
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: and we were more competitive in our cities at one time.

1065
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: We need to get more competitive there again, because the

1066
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: margin of victory at the state level in states like Wisconsin,

1067
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: in states like Michigan, states like Pennsylvania, is the difference

1068
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: between performing at the city level in You're ready, Madison,

1069
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: Green Bay, and in Detroit and in Philadelphi and Pittsburgh

1070
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 3: by just five or ten percent points better. So in

1071
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: other words, engaging in the cities in a more significant

1072
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: way and having the GOP brand associated with the things

1073
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 3: we're talking about. At the local level. It doesn't take

1074
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: that many votes, and now all of a sudden, the

1075
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: whole state is no longer lock stock and barrel going

1076
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: one direction because of the advantage has been run up

1077
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: in the cities. You've cut into the advantage that the

1078
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: cities have.

1079
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: You know, Eric, I'll tell you on that point.

1080
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 4: So Heidi and I met twenty five years ago when

1081
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 4: we were both working on the George W. Bush campaign

1082
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 4: in two thousand, the presidential campaign. And actually in that campaign,

1083
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 4: you know, I was a young, twenty nine year.

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Speaker 2: Old staffer, but I wrote.

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Speaker 4: A memo urging that the campaign consider at the time

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Speaker 4: Condoleeza Rice as a VP nominee. And in the course

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Speaker 4: of the memo, I laid out all sorts of reasons

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Speaker 4: why I thought this was worth considering carefully. But one

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Speaker 4: of the things I did is I did an electoral analysis.

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Speaker 4: I looked at the three preceding presidential elections, and I

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Speaker 4: posited a series of hypotheticals. I said, what would have

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Speaker 4: happened if Republicans had gotten five percent more ten percent

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Speaker 4: more or fifteen percent more of the African American and

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Speaker 4: Hispanic vote. So I didn't posit what if we get

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Speaker 4: fifty percent more? I did five, ten or fifteen, so

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Speaker 4: goals that were achievable, I believe, And I ran through

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Speaker 4: the numbers, and the one that was most that stood

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Speaker 4: out the most was if the Republicans had gotten an

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Speaker 4: additional fifteen percent of the African American and Hispanic vote

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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six, Republicans would have won an additional

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Speaker 4: ninety six electoral votes. I mean, it flips the election dramatically.

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Speaker 4: But to do that, we've got to compete.

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Speaker 3: It's a whole different national conversation about the competitiveness of

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Speaker 3: this party if we are a factor at the city level, yep,

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Speaker 3: because it's just where so many people are concentrated. It's

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Speaker 3: getting harder and harder to figure out how to win

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Speaker 3: elections where we're just not even playing there, and we

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Speaker 3: just it's just not even we ought to be competing

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Speaker 3: in every major city where we're currently just sort of saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, a Democrat hasn't won, I mean Repokic had

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Speaker 3: won there a long time, so let's not try. We

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Speaker 3: just flipped just in this last cycle, the mayor, the

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Speaker 3: current mayor of I believe is Charleston, South Carolina, is

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Speaker 3: now a Republican. They hadn't elected a Republican mayor in

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Speaker 3: Charleston in like one hundred and seventy five years. So

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Speaker 3: it can happen. It can be done. You have to

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Speaker 3: run the right Candi. He was a former legislator like

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Speaker 3: I was, and he ran a great campaign. Now they've

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Speaker 3: got a Republican mayor. So what's gonna happen next is

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Speaker 3: he's going to do a good job. And when he

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Speaker 3: does a good job, these people who've been voting for

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Speaker 3: Democrat mayors for one hundred and seventy five years are

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Speaker 3: going to say, you know, when Republicans are in charge,

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Speaker 3: the city just seems to be it's safer, we hire

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Speaker 3: more cops, and crime goes down, and you know what,

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Speaker 3: the taxes go down, and you know, things are just better.

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Speaker 3: The brand means something to them at the local level,

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Speaker 3: and not just the brand will always have a federal

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Speaker 3: aspect to it, it will always have a state aspect

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Speaker 3: to it. But right now in this party, we're missing

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Speaker 3: a brand at the local level. It doesn't mean anything

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Speaker 3: right now, at the local level, and we get to

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Speaker 3: decide what it means. And I'm saying we should be

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Speaker 3: running solid conservatives at the local level winning elections in cities. Well,

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Speaker 3: and then that makes people with the look let will go, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm actually a Republican. I love my Republican mayor, and

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Speaker 3: so I'm a Republican. And that has benefits for people

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Speaker 3: running for US Senate, running for president, running for governor.

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Speaker 3: But we are right now just aren't doing anything. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I was shocked to find that there was no one

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Speaker 3: even in this lane. I wasn't even stepping on anybody's

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Speaker 3: nose by doing this.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me say, Eric, I appreciate you. I appreciate

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Speaker 4: your friendship, I appreciate your leadership, and I appreciate your

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Speaker 4: joining us on the Verdict.

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Speaker 3: Buckcat, appreciate that. Man.

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Speaker 1: Give a big round of a pause from Mayor of Dallas.

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Speaker 3: I will see you back here in a couple of days.