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Speaker 1: What is up Everybody? Thursday March Three and Out podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's this John middle Coop, that's me. Appreciate everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: can change very dramatically. Uh, But that's where people listen.

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Speaker 1: So if you could leave a review there, I would

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Speaker 1: greatly appreciate it. Also, the Three and Out podcast separate

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Speaker 1: from Collins Feed. Many of you listen through Collins Feed

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Speaker 1: and I got a d M. Why do you always

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Speaker 1: say subscribe to your podcast? Don't meet Most people listen

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Speaker 1: don't exactly know where they're coming from. The technology isn't

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Speaker 1: just try to drive people to my feed. You know,

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Speaker 1: you just you never know what you don't know, so

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Speaker 1: you just want people there. And it helps with business

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Speaker 1: stuff as well. Uh, some interesting stuff coming up on

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Speaker 1: the pod that we will dive into right now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to dive into a story that I found

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Speaker 1: very very interesting and it involves Daniel Snyder and the

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Speaker 1: Washington Redskins, and I would say most businesses in our community, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you have a good restaurant, people just go there

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Speaker 1: a lot. If you have a store that's not good

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, whether it's a restaurant and the food

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Speaker 1: is not very good, whether if it's you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, car dealership that sells crappy cars, word will

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Speaker 1: get out and you will just stop using their product.

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Speaker 1: You will just stop doing business with them. The consumer

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Speaker 1: will ultimately dictate their success, and then there's just some

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Speaker 1: middle ground, like the equivalent in the Seinfeld episode of

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Speaker 1: The Soup Nazi when you hate the guy that owns

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Speaker 1: the business, but it's products so good you just use them.

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Speaker 1: And I think what makes pro sports so much different

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Speaker 1: than every under every other industry, right, if you hate

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Speaker 1: the shoes that Nike makes, you will not buy Nikes

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Speaker 1: if you hate the burgers that your local burger joint

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Speaker 1: go to lunch there anymore. You'll just go eat somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: But if you're born in San Francisco, in Dallas, Texas,

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, you're just kind of for the most part, now,

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Speaker 1: some people are different, but kind of born into your

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Speaker 1: sports fandom and your I would say the overwhelming percentage

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Speaker 1: of humans to consume NFL football, I'm just gonna gues

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Speaker 1: estimate eighty five of the team's people root for are

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Speaker 1: based on where they grew up. Maybe I'm wrong, but

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty strongly I'm right, given give or take there. Sometimes,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe if you were born in the nineties

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Speaker 1: in Florida, you just love the Packers, right because they

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Speaker 1: were really good at Brett Farva. I'm not saying it

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Speaker 1: If you're born in New York, you're gonna like the

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Speaker 1: Giants or the Jets. And you have zero power over

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Speaker 1: what happens with that team. Yet, as we talked about

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Speaker 1: you don't buy a jersey attend a game, if you

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Speaker 1: just consume the product, you are making and leading to

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Speaker 1: the league getting billions of dollars through the media deals

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Speaker 1: and historically, and this speaks for all the team sports,

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Speaker 1: especially the big teams. When your team sucks, the number

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Speaker 1: one thing you say, besides fire the coach, cut the quarterback, whatever,

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Speaker 1: it forever with the Raiders, who struggled to make money

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Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, which forever I mean for the

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Speaker 1: Now he went a little bit early in the decade

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Speaker 1: a lot of Raider fans personally, they'll often say, I

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Speaker 1: wish Mark Davis would sell the team. I would love

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Speaker 1: same with the Redskins. For a long period of time,

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Speaker 1: And it's one of those things like if you just

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Speaker 1: go on social media, it's like he shouldn't be allowed

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Speaker 1: to holden the team. It's like, yeah, that's a cute

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Speaker 1: little thing on Facebook or Twitter, But the reality is

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Speaker 1: he paid for it. It's his. That's the way ownership

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Speaker 1: in this country works. And unless you do something insane,

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Speaker 1: they can't take your team away from you. Once you

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Speaker 1: buy it, it's yours, once you're the majority shareholder. One

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Speaker 1: thing was clear late in the season and definitely early

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Speaker 1: in the off season, is people attempt at a hostel takeover.

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Speaker 1: I e. The minority stakeholders in the Washington football team,

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I didn't even know minority owners existed until

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Speaker 1: I worked for the Eagles and I remember my first

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Speaker 1: year there, We're getting ready for the draft, and I

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Speaker 1: guy when they called in the draft picks. I wrote

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Speaker 1: it down, you know, Cam Newton, J. J. Watt. Obviously

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Speaker 1: we didn't pick those guys. I think we picked Danny Watkins,

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Speaker 1: you know, von Miller. That whole draft and you just

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Speaker 1: runs it up to the league and then Roger Goodell

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Speaker 1: reads it. But I remember getting ready for the draft,

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Speaker 1: helping some of the other younger guys set up the tables,

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Speaker 1: and it was like, you know how he here, Andy

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Speaker 1: I think one guy's name was like Michelson. There was

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Speaker 1: heard of. These guys are like, oh yeah, they owe

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Speaker 1: a small percentage in the team. And when you own

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Speaker 1: a small percentage of the team, you basically just get

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Speaker 1: a suite right or tickets or whatever, and get to

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Speaker 1: say you're an owner of the team. You get zero

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Speaker 1: voting power and hirings and firings. You have no say

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Speaker 1: now you profit. I don't know exactly how every NFL

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Speaker 1: team going up. With how much money most of these teams,

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Speaker 1: you know, get every year, I'm sure you're dividend and

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Speaker 1: how much you make, it's probably a great paycheck. Maybe

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Speaker 1: But from in terms of the power part of owning

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Speaker 1: a business, it's twofold, right. It's one I get to

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Speaker 1: make money, ideally when it does well, and too I

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Speaker 1: get to run the fucking business. Who to hire, who

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Speaker 1: to fire, what to do, what visions I have on this,

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Speaker 1: that and the other. You get none of that as

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Speaker 1: the minority owner. And I think clearly with the Washington

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Speaker 1: football team, people were tired of Daniel Snyder having all

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Speaker 1: the juice, so they attempted to leak these stories and

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Speaker 1: do all this stuff over the last six months that

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Speaker 1: then Dan Snyder eventually kind of red flagged and claimed

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Speaker 1: that these people were trying to tarnish his reputation, and

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Speaker 1: for a little while it's like, God, things are getting

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Speaker 1: really weird. Well, here's what we finally have a result

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Speaker 1: and a final you know, uh conclusion to this whole deal.

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Speaker 1: The Minority Owners lost. They failed because the headline I

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Speaker 1: saw twenty four hours ago is Dan Snyder buys out

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Speaker 1: Minority Owners is now the sole owner of the team.

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Speaker 1: You know what that means. It's like, you know sometimes

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Speaker 1: in the movies, when there's a hostile takeover and there's

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Speaker 1: like a militia trying to overthrow the government. It's like, God,

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Speaker 1: I they overthrow it, that the president, the acting dictator

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Speaker 1: or whatever's fucked. Well, you know what happens when that

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Speaker 1: army wipes them out. They lose. Now this they get

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Speaker 1: paid for their services. I thought. I read Dan Snyder

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Speaker 1: eventually getting Jeff Bezos, who owns the Washington Post, involved,

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Speaker 1: failed because now Dan Snyder doesn't still just not only

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Speaker 1: He is the dictator of the franchise, which he essentially

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Speaker 1: NFC East, and then being bad. But now they're good.

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Speaker 1: They just won the division. Now, granted they want a

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Speaker 1: Now they're gonna be paid for their failure. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a choice. That's the way business works. You have contracts,

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Speaker 1: you own a percentage. If you want me to go away,

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Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Because it's like the movie Man

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Speaker 1: I saw this story this week within the last couple

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Speaker 1: of reps you need the off season. So maybe they

427
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Speaker 1: meet in the middle to do like a you know,

428
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Speaker 1: a young, a young rookie camp. I know they've always

429
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Speaker 1: had like rookie minicamp, but maybe it's back to back

430
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Speaker 1: weeks of rookie minicamp maybe there's only one veteran minicamp.

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Speaker 1: I don't exactly know, but I will be like I said,

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Speaker 1: I will be stunned if the next decade O T

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Speaker 1: A S just disappear. I can't see it happening. Okay.

434
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Speaker 1: One thing that happens really just this year that I

435
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Speaker 1: I didn't see coming is the quarterback market. I don't

436
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Speaker 1: even pretend to quite understand it. Now. There are two

437
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Speaker 1: major players that we're potentially gonna move teams. Uh, Deshaw

438
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: Watson has his legal troubles right now. Nothing can happened

439
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: till that's figured out. You're fucking guests as good as

440
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Speaker 1: mine I got. I got no clue, zero clue. I

441
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: don't know the guy. I've only heard incredible things about

442
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: his character, so I just just gotta let it play out. Which,

443
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, if he's innocent, that sucks. If he's guilty,

444
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 1: it's it's beyond said and his crew would be over.

445
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: So I don't really know what else to say there.

446
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: The Russell Wilson situation, like he listed the four teams, well,

447
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: he ain't going to Dallas. The Bears have nothing to

448
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: give him, Saints have no money, and now they're rolling

449
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: back Jamis and unless Gruden wants them, which I'm sure

450
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: he does, but unless they do a trade, I don't

451
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: know's anything going to happen. Russell who knows. Maybe he'll

452
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: expand his list and Sam Donald has not been traded.

453
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: Maybe they just roll it back with Sam Donald. But

454
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: to me, the backup quarterback market and just the fringe

455
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: bridge starter was a little confusing, to be honest with you,

456
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 1: because player contracts are like like housing comps. Right, you

457
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: can't sell your house in a neighborhood for a million

458
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: dollars if it is the same specs as every other

459
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Speaker 1: house in the market that has gone for seven hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That's not the way it works. Now. Maybe

461
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: if someone's desperate and they need a house, maybe you

462
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Speaker 1: get eight hundred thousand dollars, but you're not going that

463
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Speaker 1: much different than the going rate on the block. And

464
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: last year Marcus Mariota became the highest paid backup at

465
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Speaker 1: seven and a half million dollars. The reason they settled

466
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Speaker 1: on that number is because the year before, the highest

467
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Speaker 1: paid backup was Teddy Bridgewater at seven so they basically

468
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: just gave him five thousand dollars more but this year,

469
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: like there weren't really the bridge quarterback market was kind

470
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Speaker 1: of bizarre. It was really just Ryan Fitzpatrick, who was

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Speaker 1: a true bridge quarterback who had one of his better

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Speaker 1: seasons ever. And we've seen he's typically not that good,

473
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Speaker 1: but I gotta get the guy credit played really well.

474
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Speaker 1: The Washington football team gave him ten plus million dollars.

475
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Speaker 1: Pretty solid bridge quarterback money we've seen before. Glenn and

476
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when he went to the

477
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Speaker 1: Bears ended up in Arizona, was making like fift eighteen

478
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Speaker 1: million dollars. That's too much for bridge quarterbacks. To me,

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Speaker 1: a bridge quarterback, I want a little bit more than

480
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Speaker 1: the top backup quarterback. But nowhere near you know, the

481
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Speaker 1: high end starters that are now plummeted down the market

482
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Speaker 1: because more people have signed, like the Cars and the

483
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolos. So ten million dollars, that number made sense.

484
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Speaker 1: Here are the numbers I did not understand. I would

485
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Speaker 1: rather have Marcus Mariotta than Andy Dalton. The Bears gave

486
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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton ten million dollars. I think that is some

487
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Speaker 1: of the dumbest money that's ever been spent. I haven't

488
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Speaker 1: talked to Naggy about this. He's not in charge of

489
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Speaker 1: the contracts, but I would say that I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I tell him that that Andy Dalton was just making

491
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Speaker 1: two million dollars for the Cowboys. Now he makes ten.

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Speaker 1: How did he increase his value fivefold in a season

493
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Speaker 1: where he wasn't even that good? Makes no sense to me.

494
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Speaker 1: But then Mariota, who only played in one game because

495
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Speaker 1: on a Thursday night game car got hurt, has to

496
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Speaker 1: take a pay cut from seven and a half million

497
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: dollars while he was scheduled to make ten down to three.

498
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: Don't quite get that one. And then Trabinsky, who is very,

499
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Speaker 1: very flawed, but if he's gonna be a backup quarterback,

500
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Speaker 1: I'd have no problem paying Trabisky five six seven million dollars.

501
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: Somehow the Bills got him for two and a half

502
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: million dollars, I'd argue that was the best deal of

503
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Speaker 1: the off season. Again, not a Mr. Whisky guy, if

504
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: he's got to be my starting quarterback. But if I

505
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: got Josh Allen, if I got Patrick Mahomes, if I

506
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Speaker 1: got Russell Wilson, if I got Aaron Rodgers, and I

507
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Speaker 1: get Mr R Whisky for two and a half million dollars.

508
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: I do that all day long. That's an easy deal

509
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Speaker 1: to sign. I love that, And I don't like Mr

510
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Speaker 1: r Whisky, but I love him at two and a

511
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: half a million dollars in my backup, Like that was incredible.

512
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: But how could I give? Like I don't I get

513
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Speaker 1: how the Bears couldn't bring Trabisky back. But the Dalton

514
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Speaker 1: to me, the Dalton deals arguably the worst signing of

515
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Speaker 1: the off season. Like it's just it's embarrassingly bad. And

516
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: their social media guy right now, who's tweeting out pictures

517
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: of him boxing, tweeting out pictures of QB one like

518
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: got like get a grip, bro, Like let's let's let's

519
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: slow down on the tweeting of Andy Dalton's Like, we

520
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: get it, he's on your team, he's overpaid, let's just

521
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: stop tweeting about him. But even Joe Flacco, like Flacco

522
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: last year is the backup for Sam Donald. You saw

523
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: some moments and with the Jets, like, yeah, you know,

524
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: this guy's a solid backup. Give him to three million bucks.

525
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: That's what he gets to go to Philly. Now, I

526
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: would not pay Flacco ten million dollars and Flacco smart.

527
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: He's kind of on the Chase Daniel backup plan now,

528
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, Joe, you just be a backup

529
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: the next three or four years, because you're gonna realize

530
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: this when your career ends. There aren't many jobs to

531
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: just pay a four and a half million dollars like

532
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: you usually have to start a business to make that

533
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: much money. Right, You're never gonna make that much money again.

534
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: But if you could be a backup quarterback for the

535
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Speaker 1: next two or three years, you could rack up another twelve, thirteen,

536
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars, perhaps to Joe Flacco. He's figured that

537
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: one out. But the quarterback market right now, and that's

538
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: why I don't mind the Flacco contract with Philly, Like

539
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: I want to sign Flacco as a backup quarterback for

540
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: three million bucks, just like I would signed Trabisky for

541
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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback between two and three million dollars all

542
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: day long. Fitzpatrick, to me, he's a little risky because

543
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: he's coming off a great year, so his value is

544
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: kind of high. If his year had just been average,

545
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: he's probably making three or four million dollars. So you're

546
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: basically paying a premium for a guy who's just coming

547
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: off one of his best seasons of his career. Who

548
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: is kind of old now you can say, the way

549
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: the league's changing spread out, maybe he's better off in

550
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: this modern day times than he was a decade ago.

551
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: And that might be true, but he's thirty six, um.

552
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: But other than that, like I just sometimes these contracts,

553
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean a Dorry Jackson, the contract that he signed

554
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: this week for the Giants. Like I told I was

555
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: on Collins podcast. One thing I learned in the NFL

556
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: and just watching it really closely, is that you can't

557
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: be a good corner if you have no instincts. It's impossible,

558
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter if you can really run. You

559
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: have to be able to have just like these natural

560
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: instincts to know when the ball is there, to know

561
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: when to shoot up your hands, to have a feel

562
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: for the routes that are coming, to have a feel

563
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: for how to position your body. If you do not

564
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: have instincts, it's impossible to be a good corner. It's

565
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: just it doesn't work. How many corners in the history

566
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: of the league have been productive that have bad instincts,

567
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Speaker 1: They don't exist. So I didn't understand that tract at all.

568
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Like I I do understand some

569
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: other NFL stories, like Clowney. He went to meet the

570
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: Browns this week and they had him on a visit.

571
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Speaker 1: Here's the problem for Clowney is physically, for a large

572
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: period of his career he was viewed as an elite

573
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: physical specimen. And he still technically is that guy. But

574
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: last year he misses a bunch of games, he's injured,

575
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: and now he's not productive anymore. Like at least when

576
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: he was an eight nine sack guy, a little like

577
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: soo years ago, you're like, well, the potential is there. Well,

578
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: once you get to be nine and injured a lot,

579
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: you're no longer potential. You know what you are. You're

580
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: that You're just a guy that's not really that productive.

581
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Now you can play in the NFL. But I would

582
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Speaker 1: imagine the Browns were like, yeah, Clowning will give you

583
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: one million dollars, two million dollars. How do you get

584
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: a guy to play for that when he's been used

585
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: to making number one overall pick and he makes fifteen

586
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: million dollars or whatever one's fifth year option last year

587
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: gets thirteen million dollars. Ago to the Tennessee it's probably

588
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: pretty jarring. Like I like Richard Sherman a lot personally.

589
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: I think he's a really high level guy. He's one

590
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: of my favorite corners to ever watch. But he's coming

591
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: off a season where he missed a bunch of games.

592
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: He's never been fast, but he's definitely lost a step.

593
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: He's his own agent. I bet it's probably pretty difficult

594
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: for him to hear some of these teams offering him

595
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: contracts like Richard, we love to have you, We'll give

596
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: you the veteran minimum, will guarantee you a hundred thousand dollars.

597
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Money is all relative when you're used to making ten

598
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: million dollars. Can you imagine if someone looks at you

599
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: and goes, yeah, you're worth a million dollars, even if

600
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: that is truly what you're worth, Like, that's that's a

601
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow if you were making right now,

602
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and you're making a hundred

603
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars and you know, like, you know, I'm not

604
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Speaker 1: quite as good of my job as I was five

605
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: years ago, and then someone comes and like, you know what,

606
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna offer you thirty five thousand dollars. I mean,

607
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: there's that with Joltia, and a lot of these guys

608
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: are becoming their own agents. Will part of being your

609
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: own agent is getting on the phone with the general

610
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Speaker 1: fucking manager. I don't know why I'm swearing some uch

611
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: this podcast, I'm kind of fired up, or the head

612
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: coach and then being like, you know, we don't really

613
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: see it. That is one benefit of having an agent

614
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: as an athlete is sometimes the GM and the coach

615
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: get to talk a little smack and they get to

616
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: tell you, like what the flaws are, and then the

617
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: agent filters it back to the player. Well, if you're

618
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: your own agent, like you gotta get on the phone

619
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: with the contract negotiator, who's typically the GM, who knows

620
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: the scouting report on the player. And I bet clowney,

621
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm Clowney has an agent, but like, I bet they're

622
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: clown He's like, yeah, you're just not that good man,

623
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: Like we don't think you're worth that much. Some other things.

624
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Coleman signs with the Jets. I used to really

625
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: like him with the Falcons, but then we came the Niners.

626
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: He got banged up a lot. I just don't think

627
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: he has He's just one of those running backs, got

628
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: a little wear and terror gets injured a lot. T

629
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: Y Hilton back with the Colts. I know there are reports.

630
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: This is my favorite report during training camp or not

631
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: during training camp, but during free agency is like, you know,

632
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: he turned down a lot of money to come home,

633
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: Like no, did he did he really? Or did just

634
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: was this his best contract offer? Or were the contract

635
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: offers equal? And he just chose to stay where he

636
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: was comfortable, Like you know, most people aren't turning down

637
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Now did he turn down like

638
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Speaker 1: the Colts gave him ten million and someone offered him

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Speaker 1: eleven million? Yeah? Maybe, okay, they turned down some money,

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Speaker 1: but like with someone offered him, yeah, you know, we'll

641
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Speaker 1: give you a two year contract guarantee twenty million dollars.

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00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, you return to the Colts for eight

643
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: million guaranteed, Like, yeah, that did not happen. There's a

644
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: lot of that going on right now. You know, Dori

645
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Speaker 1: Jackson he turned down money other places, No, he didn't.

646
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Speaker 1: That was the biggest offer he got. And that's something

647
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: that gets leaked because you want to look good as

648
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Speaker 1: an agent, uh, and you want to look like a

649
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Speaker 1: good guy as a player too, Like you know I

650
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: came back. We'll t why if someone would have offered

651
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: you big money, you would have been gone. That's the

652
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Speaker 1: reason you signed way after free agents started, and I

653
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: like t Whaleen. C J. Bethard signed with the Jags, right.

654
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: You know, Kittle got mad at me once we had

655
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Speaker 1: I had him on my other podcast and he had

656
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: blocked me, and I said, George, you know I'm a

657
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: fan of like I I'm pro George Kittle. I don't

658
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: tweet negative things about you. I don't understand why you

659
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Speaker 1: blocked me. And he's like, well, there are two reasons

660
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: why I would have blocked you. He's like, you either

661
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: said something about my family. I'm like, well, that wasn't

662
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. He's like, you probably talk some

663
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: about c J. Beathard and I'm like, yeah, I'm probably

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Speaker 1: guilty there because c J was his teammate at Iowa

665
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Speaker 1: and is like one of his best friends. And listen,

666
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Speaker 1: I think CJ is a good guy. He's just not

667
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: a very good football player, you know, relatively, like he

668
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: cannot play in an NFL game. He's one of those

669
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Speaker 1: guys like he can be a backup for a while,

670
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: but the moment he has to play, you're in real trouble.

671
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Like that's a swing of miss for Kyle Shanahan. They

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Speaker 1: draft him the third round. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: C J. Bethard is probably like a seventh round pick.

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Speaker 1: The Dominican sue back to Tampa that they basically got

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Speaker 1: the band back together. They they've kept their entire team.

676
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Speaker 1: I just say, to me, heavy favorites feels a little

677
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Speaker 1: strong because it was hard for them to win the NFC.

678
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Speaker 1: But they're gonna be pretty good. I mean, Tom is

679
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: gonna be more comfortable. They got all the guys on

680
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: offense coming back, their defense is gonna be loaded. Their

681
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Speaker 1: coaching staff is all coming back. It's not like they

682
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Speaker 1: got new coordinators. I think they're the clear favorites, with

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Speaker 1: probably the Rams and the Packers in the mix in

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Speaker 1: the NFC paths resigned James White. I just to me,

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Speaker 1: the number one question for the Patriots is like who

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Speaker 1: who's taking the majority of their quarterback snaps? Is it Cam?

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Speaker 1: Do they end up somehow getting Jimmy Garoppolo, Do they

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Speaker 1: trade up in the draft and get up Trey Lance

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Speaker 1: and Mac Jones? Justin fields to me, until you tell

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Speaker 1: me after the draft what their quarterback room looks like. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be competitive. I think they're already

692
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Speaker 1: in the mix for the seven seed, but I gotta

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Speaker 1: know more to feel really really comfortable about that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's do a little middle Cuff mail back at John Middlecoff.

695
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: Is the Instagram handle direct messages wide open, so you

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Speaker 1: slide up into those d m s and uh, I

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Speaker 1: answer him here on the pot. Here's a question for

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Speaker 1: the pot as we get closer to the draft and

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Speaker 1: all the speculation around the Niners maybe looking at Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan and drafting a project. In the NFL, is there

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Speaker 1: no player buy out options like in the n b A,

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Speaker 1: where teams and players agree on a number two part ways.

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Speaker 1: I think it happens a lot when guys get cut, right,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of uh. I mean, in an indirect way,

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Speaker 1: what the Raiders were doing to Mariota. It's like, take

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Speaker 1: a pay cutter, we're gonna cut you now. Ultimately he

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Speaker 1: took a pay cut, but that that's the equivalent. The

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Speaker 1: thing with Matt Ryan that I was told is after

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Speaker 1: June one, his contract for them is much easier to trade.

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Speaker 1: So if they were to draft. Let's say I think

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Speaker 1: they the Falcons pick fourth, if they take you know,

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Speaker 1: justin Fields, trade Lance Mac Jones. I doubt they would

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Speaker 1: take Mac Jones, who feels basically like, uh, just this

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Speaker 1: for Matt Ryan, but probably not as good. They could

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Speaker 1: trade Matt and after the draft and may and designated

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Speaker 1: a June one trade. I think that's probably unlikely, But

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Speaker 1: who knows. Do you think your boy Naggie would get

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Speaker 1: Kellen Mond? I think he would be absolutely killer in

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Speaker 1: that offense, slightly more athletic than Alex Smith, and Naggie

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Speaker 1: did wonders with Alex. Uh completely honest. Whenever I watched

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Speaker 1: Kellen Mond and I never watched Texas A and M

722
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Speaker 1: thinking he was an NFL player. I just watched them

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Speaker 1: like a college team, just kind of paid attention. He

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Speaker 1: never popped like I thought he was gonna be some

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Speaker 1: big NFL prospect. None of my friends in the league

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Speaker 1: ever bring him up. I do think it's a little

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Speaker 1: fabricated media hype guy. Like I I just I think

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Speaker 1: he's probably a third day pick. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe

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Speaker 1: I need to do some more research on this guy.

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Speaker 1: But I watched a lot of college football and I

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Speaker 1: got a pretty good eye for who's an NFL player

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Speaker 1: and who's not, and it never really hit me like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, this guy is a big time prospect. I

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Speaker 1: think I saw someone act like he was could get

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Speaker 1: drafted pretty high. Am I the only one who thinks

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Speaker 1: the Rams are getting overhyped a little heading into this year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they upgraded a quarterback, but at the expense of losing

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Speaker 1: two key pieces in the secondary, Hill and Johnson and

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Speaker 1: significant d line depth. Not to mention losing Brandon Staley. True,

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Speaker 1: but that's out of their control. Uh feels like folks

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Speaker 1: who are already anointing them as the clear number two

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Speaker 1: in the NFC have not examined the entire roster. I

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Speaker 1: somewhat agree that the depth of their team and last year,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Staley with Hill and Johnson specifically, did a really

745
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Speaker 1: good job with the non Jalen Ramsey dbs. Their dbs

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Speaker 1: played really well, their linebackers played well, but and Brandon

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Speaker 1: Staley was only there a year, but he did a

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Speaker 1: good job. Their quarterback is dramatically more talented than Jared Goff. Like,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if at Stafford, if you can

750
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Speaker 1: stay healthy seventeen games, could throw forty touchdowns. They got cup,

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00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: they got Woods, they got Acres, they just got an

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00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: excellent offensive play collar. Now they don't have picks, right

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Speaker 1: because they traded him for Ramsey, so they don't have

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, and then they won't because of

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Speaker 1: Stafford either. Yeah, their depth. They're an NBA. They're like

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Speaker 1: the Nets, you know, in the sense of their top

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00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: hand is high. Aaron Donald's pound for pound, arguably best

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Speaker 1: player in the league. Ramsey's an elite player, Stafford really

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00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: high end player. But their depth, And that's I think

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Speaker 1: one thing we're gonna We're gonna find out this extra game.

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Speaker 1: Does depth really come into play or does it just

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00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: feel like a normal season where guys get hurt but

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Speaker 1: like they normally do. But I'm with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I their team, probably top to bottom, is just not

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Speaker 1: gonna be good enough. But like they couldn't meet the

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Speaker 1: Jets because Jared Goff was skipping balls? Are those days over?

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Speaker 1: Because you got Matt Stafford. I just saw an article

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Speaker 1: on Yahoo about Deshaun Watson's facing sixteen lawsuits for sexual assault.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't anyone talking about this? I think everyone's talking

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Speaker 1: about it, but I don't I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people like, what are you gonna say? If he's sexually

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Speaker 1: assaulting sixteen women, he's a criminal, scumbag, loser. If these

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Speaker 1: people are making it up character assassination, they deserve to

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Speaker 1: go to jail. Like I, I think it's pretty black

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Speaker 1: and white. I would imagine most normal people not on

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Speaker 1: social media would be like, Yeah, if you sexually assault

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Speaker 1: a woman, you're a fucking loser. Now, if someone makes

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Speaker 1: that up about you, and I've seen it with Ruben Foster,

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00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: that person deserves to go to jail. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't knowing these people. I can't. I don't always

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00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: heard great things about Shaun Watson, and then this comes out.

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00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people, I'm kind of like, God,

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00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: what what am I even supposed to think? I think

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Speaker 1: the answer is like, I don't even think we really

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Speaker 1: know what to think. No one knows. I don't really

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00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: know what there is to say. Besides, you know, I

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00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: don't think you can trade for until some of this

788
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: stuff is figured out, until we get some resolution, a

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Speaker 1: tangible like he did this or he did not do this.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a weird spot. I mean, not a

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Speaker 1: weird spot, just I mean, if it happened, it's a

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Speaker 1: terrible spot. If it didn't happen, it's terrible too huge.

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Speaker 1: Fin Have you got any offers for your own television show?

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Speaker 1: I love the insight you provide each week. Uh, keep

795
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: up the great work. No, I have not. I also

796
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: think TV is a little iniquated. You know. It's like

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00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: me and guys started a YouTube channel pace pretty well,

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Speaker 1: you just put on put up content. I got my

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Speaker 1: own YouTube channel, John Middlecoff. I'm gonna keep pumping a

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00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of content. I'm gonna start doing some golf content.

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00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: I got some ideas for two one. I like, uh,

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00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: doing my own thing. So I haven't. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: like I'm turning television shows down, but I do think

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Speaker 1: the game's changed. You know, the amount of people. Way

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00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: more people watch YouTube than watch television. That's a that's

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00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: a fact now, you know. I would imagine in the

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Speaker 1: next decade, TV is gonna look dramatically different than it

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Speaker 1: once was. Like I would have said five years ago,

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Speaker 1: Like I introduced myself now, like what do you do

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00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: for a living? I'm a podcaster. I think people look

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Speaker 1: at me like that's how do you make a living? Like,

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00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: how do you survive? I'm like, I actually do pretty well. Right, well,

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00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: five years ago, it's like, well, you gotta get back

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00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: in radio. You gotta get back in radio. I want

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Speaker 1: no part of radio. I love the podcast space. This

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00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: is my home. You guys are my people. Like in

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Speaker 1: another decade, I don't even think, honestly, my take on radio, like,

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00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't even think it will exist. Obviously, television isn't

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Speaker 1: going away, but the way we consume, like the way

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Speaker 1: people consume. Colin talks about this, like his Facebook and

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel do huge numbers on any segment that he

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Speaker 1: can post on YouTube. I would imagine more people consume

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Speaker 1: it on YouTube than do just on Fox Sports one,

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Speaker 1: which is cool, which, if you're you know, in my

825
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Speaker 1: space as a content creator, got a lot of options

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Speaker 1: reading about all these NBA trades. Does anyone even care?

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Speaker 1: Who has ever heard of these guys being traded? Great question, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think part of it today is like random guys

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Speaker 1: were traded, none of the famous guys. But I I

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Speaker 1: didn't really pay attention once I saw that the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we had a little uh, we had

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Speaker 1: an incident this week in the Bay Area with a

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00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: reporter slash blogger. He's really an aggregator, and Steve Kerr

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Speaker 1: kind of getting mad at him for aggregating something about

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. The NBA. I was thinking about this basically.

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Speaker 1: Steve Kerr said on a podcast that he enjoyed last

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Speaker 1: season where the Warriors were the worst team in the league.

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Speaker 1: The ended up getting the number two pick, and when

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Speaker 1: the we went to the bubble, the Warriors didn't even

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Speaker 1: have to go to the bubble, that's how terrible they were.

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00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: And Kurse said in not so many words that that

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Speaker 1: year was much more fun than the last year of

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. Now he didn't use Kevin Durant, but the

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Speaker 1: guy that blogged it used Kevin Durant and it just beating.

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Speaker 1: Steve kerk called him out by name in a press conference,

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00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: like the NBA people are so obsessed with Twitter. I

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Speaker 1: I thought about this today when I saw Woes breaking

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Speaker 1: news on Twitter for the NBA trades. I don't understand

849
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: why these companies keep allowing these guys to break news

850
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: on Twitter. The only guy getting rich on this is Jack,

851
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: the guy that owns Twitter. The league makes no money

852
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: off it, the networks make no money off it even woes.

853
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: It's not like Twitter pays them like I I get

854
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: it feels big, but it's like they're actually eight percent

855
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: of adults are not on Twitter. Facebook is infinitely bigger

856
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: than Twitter. YouTube. YouTube's worst day is Twitter's best day.

857
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: But I just that the NBA lives in this kind

858
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: of Twitter vacuum. It's kind of a bizarre little place.

859
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: If Davante Smith fell the seventeen, you're Gruden in Mayock,

860
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: how do you not pick him? Well, he's not gonna

861
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: be there, and you can't. You can't pick a receiver.

862
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you just drafted Rugs last year, you drafted

863
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: Brian Edwards, you got wall or you got Jacobs, you

864
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: signed Kenyan Drake, you have the draft. They need a

865
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: linebacker there. I've been around the Raiders now for pretty

866
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: closely since about two thousand thirteen. Their linebacking play over

867
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that period of time. I don't pretend to know every

868
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: team's for the last seven years their linebacking play, but

869
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: I can feel pretty strongly about saying there has there

870
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: might have been a team as bad, there has not

871
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: been a team worse the Raiders linebacking play the last

872
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: seven eight years. Has been just atrocious. I mean, they've

873
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: been slow, they've been unathletic. They need a linebacker. And

874
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal this from Michael Lombardi, but I think

875
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: he's right. When your linebackers are slow, your defense is slow.

876
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: And when your linebackers faster, defense fast. Like the Niners

877
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: defense had a bunch of injuries last year, Fred Warner

878
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: made every play. Even the some years with Chickley and

879
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: the Panthers. Some of those years, like guys are injured,

880
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: Chickle makes every tackle. So it's like, God, they feel fast. Well,

881
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: it's really just one guy, I think, just kicking ass

882
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: and taking names. Seattle, their defensive line hasn't been that good. Hell,

883
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: their dbs haven't been that good. They got Bobby Wagner

884
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: and kJ Right killing everybody. So you're like, god, Seattle's defense,

885
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, flying around Megan tackles. Well, it's really just

886
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: two guys. So yeah, I just they need linebackers, no

887
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Do you think Drew Brees is too much

888
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: of a Union guy to succeed as a potential Sunday

889
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: night football broadcaster. He obviously has been outspoken about CBA topics,

890
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: player rights, and accepted marker value at quarterback position for

891
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: the sake of the players overall. While I doubt he

892
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: has the intellect and drive to nail down broadcast. While

893
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't doubt he has the intellect and drive to

894
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: nail down the broadcast mechanics, my fear is that his

895
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: inability to see anything NFL related through a different lens

896
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: other than players will lead to a bias undertones on

897
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: national television. Moreover, it could lead to Sunday Night football

898
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: broadcast becoming entertainment through a talk radio style a K

899
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: Booger and Monday Night Football instead of entertaining through the

900
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: football game. Uh you know, I I think he might

901
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: be onto something. My issue it's not necessarily like through

902
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: a player's lens, because I think you could have players

903
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: lens topics, right, I mean John Gruden always got the

904
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: gave the coach the benefit of the doubt. I don't

905
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: think that's crazy. My issue with Drew is is he

906
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: willing to just kind of throw some curveballs or is

907
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: he just gonna be And I don't even know if

908
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: this this saying it's like PC is the right verbiage

909
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: to use here, but just is he gonna stay in

910
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: the slow lane, you know what made Madden and Gruden

911
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of awesome and and any good broadcaster like in baseball,

912
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they go to the fast lane and

913
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: sometimes there's a car crash. That's part of it. When

914
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: you talk for a living, sometimes you're gonna say some

915
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: things that are wrong. But we're in the entertainment business.

916
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Drew Brees can you entertain? Ain't like? That's why I

917
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: know about Philip Rivers. Why I think Philip Rivers would

918
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: been elite. His energy, his passion, He's gonna say some

919
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: crazy things. I like crazy. Do you know what the

920
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: people like crazy? The consumer? I just I don't know

921
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: if Drew Brees brand is very wholesome, very by the book,

922
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: Uh will he give some singers? That's why I think

923
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning has always turned it down. I've known a

924
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: couple of people that have known Peyton Manning and just

925
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is like watch him on TV

926
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. He is like he is not Mr PC.

927
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: You know, he's fun. He swears, he's got a lot

928
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: of ship to him. And I'm not saying Drew Brees doesn't,

929
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: but he kind of can let it out. But I

930
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: think he was afraid on Monday Night Football, you know,

931
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: of just kind of showing both sides to the public, right,

932
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: even though I think he would have had it in

933
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: the bag. I just will Drew Brees do that? Now?

934
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: Tarko is pretty damn good and he's worked with Gruden,

935
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: so maybe he can get it out of him. But yeah,

936
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest question. And because I think

937
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: his likability one thing that Tony Romo really has that

938
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested to see if Drew Brees has,

939
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: like Tony feels like I just a guy like I

940
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I could drink some beers with Tony Romo, Like,

941
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: yeah I could. I could go play golf and hang

942
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: out Tony Roma. And that's hard to do, you know,

943
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: when you're super famous, super rich guy. Drew Brees has

944
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: made hundreds of millions of dollars. Can he come off

945
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: as relatable? Right? Can he? Can he get in the

946
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: booth most football fans. I mean you're talking middle class America,

947
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: that's who is watching these games. Can you relate to

948
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: that guy? Now? Ultimately, we're coming to the game for

949
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: the game, Like we watched a lot of games with

950
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: bad broadcasters and it doesn't matter. One of the big

951
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: news stories of the day was like Jim Nance resigned.

952
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I think it matters for golf. No

953
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: one in the NFL would have noticed if Jim Nance disappeared.

954
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: I know he's famous and he's been doing it forever.

955
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: If they put Iron Eagle or put someone else by

956
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: to no one's even thinking about it. The media would

957
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: talk about it. That's it. But big personalities is analysts

958
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: like we've missed John Gordon ever since he left. It's

959
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: been like a it's it's screwed over two things, right,

960
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: It's been awful for the Raiders. He's been crazy and

961
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: it's been bad for Mona Football. Like he was a

962
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: big loss because he's just a big personality. Hate him

963
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: or love him, like he just entertained. It's hard to entertain.

964
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, trust me, I I talked for a living.

965
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: It's it's hard. You gotta have a lot of energy,

966
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of say some crazy things. Sometimes you

967
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: gotta believe some crazy things. I'm kind of nuts. I'm

968
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: not saying I'm Drew Brees, but like sometimes good broadcasters

969
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: like this guy's kind of coming out of left field

970
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: here that that would be my question. I'm not trying

971
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: to compare myself to Drew Brees. I'm just saying like

972
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: part of it just being different. According to Colin, the

973
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: Packers are still planning on moving off Aaron Rodgers. In

974
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: the next little bit, Coward is basing this off of

975
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: how the pack was traded far and let Rogers play

976
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: bred Father retired first and then left the door open

977
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: for him to get traded. Aaron Rodgers just gave a

978
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: big fu to the haters and one is third m

979
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: v P. Do you believe that the Packers are still

980
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: planning on moving off Aaron and that's why they didn't restructure. Uh.

981
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: If I'm Aaron Rodgers and you want to restructure my contract,

982
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: I want a contract extension. I just won my third

983
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: m v P. I was a major part of us

984
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: getting back to the NFC Championship and hosting the game.

985
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: I was the best quarterback in the league last year

986
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: until the NFC Championship when Tom Brady, you know, did

987
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: he outplay him? Maybe not? But if I want huge money,

988
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: and if I'm the Packers, like, do I really want

989
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: to pay him a huge money? Can you do it again?

990
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: The problem is Jordan's Love couldn't beat out Tim Boyle.

991
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Now Tim Boyle's not on the team anymore, so can

992
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: Jordan's love to a huge step. I would say, as

993
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: of right now, they have no plan to get rid

994
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: of them. I mean they did last year when they

995
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: drafted Jordan Love. Then they were around Jordan Love and

996
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't very good. Now, if Jordan loved this offseason,

997
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: assuming the offseason happens, preseason games can look really sweet

998
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers comes back to earth a little bit,

999
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: maybe they change their tune. But I would say, right

1000
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: now March recording this, Roger's gonna be their quarterback for

1001
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. Now, the restructure extension, Like,

1002
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: if I'm Rodgers, okay, you want to extend me. I

1003
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: want a hundred million dollars guaranteed. I want a three

1004
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: year contract at three you know, three year, million dollars,

1005
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: forty million dollars a year guarantee, every penny. And I

1006
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: don't think he'd be crazy for asking for that. I've

1007
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: got another mm Q Monday Morning question. What type of

1008
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: information do anonymous sources receive from NFL insiders in exchange

1009
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: for their breaking news? No pressure if this is outing anybody,

1010
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: that's good question. Well, I've never been a GM or coach,

1011
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: so I think part of it is like if you

1012
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: if I'm buddies with Schefter and I'm really close. Let's

1013
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: say I'm Sean Payton or Belichick, Randy Reid or Howie

1014
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Roseman or Jerry Jones or whoever. If I have a

1015
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: longstanding relationship with Schefter for a decade or two decades

1016
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's not just I'm just saying, hey, hey, Adam,

1017
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: we just gave Dak Prescott four year contract, a forty

1018
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: million dollars or whatever. It's just me and Adam talk

1019
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: a lot, and he tells me what he's hearing. So

1020
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: he's constantly giving me information about other guys. Hey, I've

1021
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: heard that the going rate for this player is this. Hey,

1022
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: I've heard that before it ever gets out to the public.

1023
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: Seattle and Russell Wilson aren't in great standing and he

1024
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: really likes the Cowboys or something like that. Right, and

1025
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: then I like the guy. I know his job is

1026
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: breaking news. I just throw on bones. Hey, Adam, we

1027
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: just you know, signed Amari Cooper sixty million guaranteed, five

1028
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: year deal. They have good relationships to say Schefter in

1029
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: woes are very just. I would consider say their friends

1030
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: with the gms and coaches and the agents, so they

1031
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: encompass everybody involved in the deal. Now, like in any

1032
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: information business, you gotta give a little bit to take.

1033
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly what the Chefters always give

1034
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: to the anonymous gms, but he clearly gives them something,

1035
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: right because he's not paying. There's no money exchanged. One

1036
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: thing I heard way back in the day, like when

1037
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: Florio first started a site, and this is good business.

1038
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: He did a business deal with Drew Rosenhouse like fifteen

1039
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: years ago and paid for stories. And then obviously he

1040
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: just became so big people started giving them stories for free.

1041
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: That's just smart business. You know, TMZ pays for stories. Now,

1042
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter is not paying for stories. He just built up.

1043
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, a business based on relationships would be my

1044
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: would be my educated guest. Now, like I talked to Adam,

1045
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: but I've never necessarily asked him that, uh, that is

1046
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: that's a good question though, that's this is a great question.

1047
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: I probably need to dig in. That would be a

1048
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: good like podcast to hear the inner workings of how

1049
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: anonymous sources in pro sports work. I listened to that.

1050
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: It's like schefter. Some coaches and some gms talked, but

1051
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: they never would if they work in the league because

1052
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: they don't want to out the sources. But clearly they

1053
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: pumped the stories to the same three or four guys. Uh.

1054
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: That's about all I got, so enjoy the weekend and

1055
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: uh and yeah, talk to everybody soon. Audios.