1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: You're listening to the third and final part of Unexplained, 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: season eight, episode twenty one, East of Eden. When Karl's 3 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: old school friend Michael first hears about his murder, he 4 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: is shocked and upset when he learns of the violent 5 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: manner of his death, how he bled to death. He 6 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: is immediately propelled back to that time when they were 7 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: only ten years old, giggling uncontrollably as Karl goosteps round 8 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: the kitchen recounting for the hundredth time the story of 9 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: how he had once lived before, only to die young, 10 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: bleeding to death. It's a haunting image now in more 11 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: ways for Karl's family, his death is unsurprisingly catastrophic, not 12 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: least of all for his fiancee, left without a partner 13 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: to help raise her two daughters themselves left without a father. 14 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: But as the months go by, they two his parents 15 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: more than anyone, will find their minds wandering back to 16 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: those strange early years of Karl's life and those peculiar 17 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: visions that had supposedly plagued his childhood, how he'd once 18 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: crashed in a plane through a window, then lost his 19 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: right leg before bleeding to death. Then in November nineteen 20 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: ninety seven, just over two years after his death, something 21 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: extraordinary comes to light. It is the morning of November 22 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: twenty seventh when workers for the Northumbrian water Board pull 23 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: into the building site at the bottom of Clay Lane, 24 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: just east of south Bank Station, barely a few miles 25 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: down the track from the Grange Town signal box where 26 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: Karl was stabbed. The team are there to install a 27 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: sewage pipeline for a new business park due to be 28 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: built nearby, and have not been working long when one 29 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: of their excavators hit something with the digging halted. Workers 30 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: jump into the pit and begin the arduous task of 31 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: scraping away the earth to see what the problem is. 32 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: A short time later they uncover a strangely mangled metallic 33 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: structure that seems to be wedged deep into the mud. 34 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Digging out more of the earth, one of the men 35 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: uncovers some kind of sack. He rips it open and 36 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: finds a bundle of pristine white silk stuffed inside. As 37 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: he pulls the silk from the back, it soon becomes 38 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: clear he is unfurly and unused parachute. The men step 39 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: back and look again at the hulk of metal in 40 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: the ground. And realize with astonishment it is the frame 41 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: of an aircraft. Concerned that they might not only have 42 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: a warplane on their hands, but also some unexploded ordinance, 43 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: the water board immediately ceased work and informed the British 44 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: military's Royal Engineers of their discovery. Within days, a team 45 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: of ordnance disposal experts set about excavating the wreckage. The 46 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: plane is soon identified as a German Second World warplane 47 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: known as a Dornier Bomber. A quick check at the 48 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: records reveals the plane to have crashed on the evening 49 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: of January fifteenth, nineteen forty two, after taking a hit 50 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: just off the coast and colliding with a barrage balloon 51 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: on the outskirts of Hartlepool. As the engineers dig deeper 52 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: into the vessel, they find over five tons of wreckage, 53 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: including a number of machine guns, a wooden propeller and 54 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: two further parachutes, and finally a fragment of bone. From 55 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: the records, it's ascertained that the bodies of three of 56 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: the aircraft's crew, Jokim Lanes, Rudolph mattn and Heinrich Richter, 57 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: were recovered from the plane shortly after it came down. 58 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: A fourth body, that of Sergeant hands Manniker, was thought 59 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: to have been too badly destroyed to be removed. Digging 60 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: a little further, the excavation team find a piece of 61 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: the collar of a uniform that appears to confirm the 62 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 1: missing body is indeed hands Maniker. But then the team 63 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: dig deeper, only to find what appears to be a 64 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: complete skeleton encased in the the manes of a different uniform. 65 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: The missing body wasn't hands Manniker, after all, his body 66 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: had already been removed. The fourth member of the crew 67 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: whose remains were thought to have been incinerated is in 68 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: fact Heinrich Richter. Richter's remains are found in the plane's 69 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: ventral gun, a gun that sat under the belly of 70 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: the plane encased in a glass bubble. The funny thing was, 71 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: as the aircraft crashed nose first, this bubble, which was 72 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: effectively a spherical glass window, would have borne the brunt 73 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: of the initial impact and been smashed as smithreens in 74 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: the process, covering the occupant in thousands of tiny shots, 75 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: as if they had effectively crashed through a window. Similar, 76 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: you might say, to the way the young Carl Eden 77 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: had described plunging from the sky through shattered glass in 78 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: his terrifying dreams. But that wasn't the strangest thing. When 79 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: the excavation team pulled the skeleton from the wreckage, they 80 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: discover it isn't quite as complete as they had first thought. 81 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: The right leg is missing. It had been severed in 82 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: the crash. News of the plains rediscovery soon spreads throughout 83 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: the town, and the following year hands Manniker's unwitting grave 84 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: site at Thornaby Cemetery is named correctly, and the additional 85 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: remains of Heinrich Richter are laid to rest alongside his comrades. 86 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 1: In October, a moving ceremony is attended by the German 87 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: consul to Britain, as well as a handful of the 88 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: crew's descendants, who are joined by twenty two British ex 89 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: servicemen and over two hundred members of the public. Together, 90 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: they watch as seventy eight year old Heinz Molenbruk, a 91 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: former Dornia pilot of the same unit who was shot 92 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: down during the Battle of Britain, lays the first wreath 93 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: on Richter's grave. He then places another on a monument 94 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: for British airmen representing the fifty five thousand members of 95 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: RIF Bomber Command, who, like Richter and his fellow crew members, 96 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: had never made it back home. As military standards are 97 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: lowered and a bugler begins the opening refrain of the 98 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: last post, two other faces join at the back of 99 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 1: the crowd, Valerie and Jim Eden. Karl's parents have also 100 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: come to pay their respects to the German airman who 101 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: lost his leg and died after being shot down over England. 102 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: Some years later, after further investigative work, local Middlesbrough historian 103 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: Bill Norman will eventually track down Heinrich Richter's family, publishing 104 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: his findings in a book in two thousand eight called 105 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: South Bank Dornia. As it transpired, Richter was born in 106 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: nineteen eleven and was thirty at the time of his death. 107 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: As Norman points out, regardless of what we may think 108 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: of the cause for which he fought, Richter was undoubtedly 109 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: a brave man. Before dying in battle, he had already 110 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: flown sixty missions, earning first and second class distinctions of 111 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: the Iron Cross before his death in nineteen forty two. 112 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: Norman also discovered that Richter had two brothers who were 113 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: killed in the war as well, Kurt Richter, who perished 114 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: while fighting in Russia in nineteen forty one, and Gerhardt, 115 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: who was killed in Romania nineteen forty four. Similar to 116 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: what the young Karl had once claimed about the man, 117 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: he had apparently been before, and although he never ascertained 118 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: the name of Richter's mother, Bill Norman did discover that 119 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: his father had been called Friedrich, a name frequently shortened 120 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: to the more informal Fritz, the name Karl had also used. 121 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: Then one morning, Bill receives a letter from another relative 122 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: of Heinrich Richter's containing a striking portrait photograph of the 123 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: young airman shortly before he was killed. When Val and 124 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: Jim see the picture for the first time, it is 125 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: like seeing a ghost there staring back at them, with 126 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: his strong nose and chin, and that distinct shape of 127 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: his brow, it is hard not to distinguish the face 128 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: of their son. The collar of Richter's jacket even bears 129 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: the insignia of eagles, just as Karl had once depicted 130 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: it in his pictures all those years ago. Whatever we 131 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: believe about the possibility of reincarnation, there is little doubt 132 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: that in a physiological sense, through the inheritance of genes. 133 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: We are all, in some way a reincarnation of those 134 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: that have come before us, although we may not inherit 135 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: literal memories of the deceased. Some fascinating new discoveries are 136 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: challenging our understanding of the way in which our lived 137 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: experiences might biologically resurface long after we have gone. Prior 138 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: to Charles Darwin's The Origin of the Species, another naturalist 139 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: by the name of Jean Baptiste Lamark caused a stir 140 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: with a theory of his own. He suggested that an 141 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: organism might pass characteristics to its offspring not only through 142 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: internal genetic mechanisms, but also through external influences that it 143 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: would have been affected by during its lifetime. Although the 144 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: theory known as Lamarckism gained some traction at the time, 145 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: it was soon eclipsed by Darwin's theory of evolution, before 146 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: being widely discredited and falling out of fashion altogether, and 147 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: so it was destined to remain. However, a number of 148 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: recent discoveries in the increasingly popular area of epigenetics have 149 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: led to something of a Lamarkist comeback, bearing similarities to 150 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: the principles of Lamarkism epigenetics is the study of how 151 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: external and environmental factors can alter the functionality of genes 152 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: without corrupting the base genetic code. In twenty thirteen, neurobiologist 153 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: Kerry Wrestler and his research partner Brian Dias published a 154 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: paper in leading medical GiB Nature concerning the study of 155 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: epigenetic inheritance in laboratory mice. What Wrestler and Dius had 156 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: discovered was that by conditioning a set of mice to 157 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: associate a scent with a specific trauma, in this case, 158 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: a small electrical shock, that same fear would be passed 159 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: down to at least two generations of their pups. Taking 160 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: this extraordinary discovery into account, we might say that in 161 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: some ways, not only do we inherit our ancestors physical traits, 162 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: but quite possibly an instinctive sense of some of their 163 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: lived experiences as well, being the unquantifiable negative space that 164 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: it is. Any concept of death, in turn, directly influences 165 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: the shape of its opposite space life. Very broadly speaking, 166 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: if like the ancient Egyptians or followers of Abrahamic religion, 167 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: you believe in an after life that rewards the morally virtuous, 168 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: your lived life will likely be dictated by those moral expectations, 169 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: at least whatever you understand those morals to be. If 170 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: you adopt religious teachings based on the principle of samsara, 171 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: the idea of the material self being continually replaced in 172 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: a way that has no relevance to your true essence, 173 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: life becomes a process of attempting to transcend this material 174 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: prison in return for a bliss without ego. For those 175 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: who believe in neither, you maintain that this is all 176 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: there is. The focus tends to be solely on how 177 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: your actions in life will surface you and the lives 178 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: of others you come into contact with in life alone. 179 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: Looking at it in these schematic terms, it boils down 180 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: to two seemingly fundamental and conflicting ideas. Either our sense 181 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: of identity is critically linked to our material body, in 182 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: which case it dies with it, or it is not. 183 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: As our lives become increasingly incorporated into digital spaces, we 184 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: may be discovering the tantalizing prospect of a convergence of 185 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: these two most polarizing principles. If this convergence were to succeed, 186 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: even for the most ardent anti theist or spiritual skeptic, 187 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: its potential seems positively theological in scope. If we maintain 188 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: that our consciousness is wholly dependent on the material body, 189 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: being something that most likely emerges via complex processes in 190 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: the brain, we might also accept the possibility that a 191 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: sufficiently sophisticated replication of a brain could one day allow 192 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: for a mind to be held outside of the body 193 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: first emerged in, although the information would need to be 194 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: stored somewhere, which would require power to keep the mind alive. 195 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: Provided this was possible, might we one day be able 196 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: to manufacture our own after lives. In nineteen sixty five, 197 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: pioneering mathematician Irving John Good speculated on the potential for 198 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: artificially generated intelligence to one day eclipse the functionality of 199 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: the human brain. It would do so in a moment 200 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: of intelligence explosion, whereby a machine, on realizing the extent 201 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: of its intelligence, would suddenly understand how to build another 202 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: machine with greater capabilities that would in turn know how 203 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: to construct an even more capable machine. This triggering of 204 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: a sudden exponential growth growth of artificial intelligence is now 205 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: commonly referred to as the technological singularity, and for many 206 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: in the tech community, such as leading computer scientists and 207 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: tech pioneer Ray Kertzweil. This moment of singularity is not 208 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: a matter of if, but when. Kurtzweil has been making 209 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: a name for himself since his time as a student 210 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he pioneered the 211 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: first text as speech technology and would later invent the 212 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: world's first synthesizer to incorporate sampled instruments into its hardware. 213 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, Kurtzweil was installed as Google's Director of 214 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Engineering to pursue development in machine learning and natural language understanding, 215 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: and is one of the world's most revered futurists. He 216 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: is also a leading advocate of transhumanism, the belief that 217 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: advancements in science and technology are fundament mental to achieving 218 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: the next significant evolutionary steps for humankind. Although for some 219 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: the notion of singularity might be alarming, for Kurtzwhil, its 220 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: imminence is something to be celebrated, not least because he 221 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: thinks it will ultimately hold the key to immortality, whether 222 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: we want it or not. With an artificially generated superintelligence, 223 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: Kertzweil predicts a biotechnological revolution that would enable us to 224 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: upload our conscious minds, either into virtual worlds or indestructible 225 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: robotic bodies. This, in a theory, would allow us to 226 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: live for however long the universe remains a stable place 227 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: to inhabit, provided, of course, the new intelligence deems us 228 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: necessary to have around in the first place. It would 229 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: be an after life of sorts. If we take that 230 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: to mean an experience of consciousness after the death of 231 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: our present bodies. Such a notion would require a relinquishing 232 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: of our bodies as a fundamental component of our sense 233 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: of identity, something, as revealed in a fascinating two thousand 234 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: and four study by scientists from University College London, that 235 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: isn't as improbable as it might sound. In the experiment, 236 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: subjects were asked to sit at a table and place 237 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: their left hand in front of them, with their right 238 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: arms screened off from view. A dummy hand made of 239 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: rubber was then laid out next to their left in 240 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: place of their real right hand, with subjects told to 241 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: focus on the two hands in front of them, both 242 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the real left and the dummy right. Researchers then stroked 243 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: both the subjects fake right hand and real right hand 244 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: behind the screen at the same time. Before long, subjects 245 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: claimed to feel their dummy hand being stroked, even when 246 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: researchers were no longer stroking their real hand at the 247 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: same time. Later, when asked to point to their right 248 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: hand with their left, subjects invariably pointed to the fake 249 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: rubber hand instead of the real one behind the screen. 250 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: Although there would be some way to go yet, The 251 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: two thousand and four That's My Hand study, as it 252 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: was known, poses interesting questions about the potential for realizing 253 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: entire other bodies, either in a virtual, digital, or indeed 254 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: physical space, as exemplified in James Cameron's two thousand and 255 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: nine blockbuster Avatar. In Cameron's pioneering film, Paralyzed soldier Jake 256 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Sully is given the opportunity to drive fabricated shell of 257 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: a Navvy, a creature indigenous to the alien planet Pandora. 258 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: Jake's task is to integrate himself into the Navvy community 259 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: to better help the human colonization of their planet, a 260 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: task he performs so well that by the end he 261 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 1: has achieved a complete transfusion with its new body. This notion, 262 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: if it were one day realized, might finally deliver an 263 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: answer to Theseus's paradox. This ancient conundrum asks us to 264 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: consider whether an object in the original case, King Theseus's 265 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: ship can be considered the same object if all of 266 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: its component parts have at some point been completely replaced. 267 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: In Jake Sully's case, at least, the answer is broadly 268 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: speaking yes. Even now, we are increasingly imparting pieces of 269 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: ourselves into the digital realm, be that our visual memories, 270 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: or even just the small things we deem unnecessary to 271 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: have to keep in our heads, like phone numbers. As 272 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: hellish as it may sound to some, it is surely 273 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: only a matter of time before we are able to 274 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: keep a twenty four hour audio and visual record of 275 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: our day to day experiences. We might even elect to 276 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: store our emotional responses to these experiences somewhere digitally too. 277 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: Future scenarios might see us being able to back up 278 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: our individual conscious selves onto storage facilities that will allow 279 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: us to be dropped in to any number of post 280 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: body experiences after death. Charlie Brooker's deeply touching and evocative 281 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: Black Mirror episode San Junipero explores just one possibility with 282 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: its examination of a computer generated afterlife where our minds 283 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: are given the opportunity to continue living in a romantic 284 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: idealized world of neon lights and beach glamor. But why 285 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: might we stop with singular after life experiences in the 286 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: manner of Pierre Tilhard de Chardin's concept of the noo sphere, 287 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: as explored in season six, episode twenty eight the noose Sphere, 288 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: Might we then be able to fuse with the experiences 289 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: of all those other digitally stored entities. In this way, 290 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: ourselves would become extant, as just one of a series 291 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: of networked data points in an interconnected system, free to 292 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: merge together into one vast single consciousness, a fully mechanized 293 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: system of universal oneness. You might say, perhaps this networked 294 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: digital space might one day encompass the entirety of the 295 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: known universe, acted through all matter. It would be as 296 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: if the universe had become self aware. Then again, who's 297 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: to say that such a space wouldn't also fall into 298 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: hierarchies similar to what we have in our present material worlds, 299 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: where places would emerge kept hidden and away and only 300 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: accessible to those with the requisite power and knowledge, perhaps 301 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: controlled by gate keepers, just like the five realms of Hades. 302 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: There is just one small problem, though, the second law 303 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: of thermodynamics, it seems presently that even the digital heaven 304 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: of San Junipero would likely have to one day come 305 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: to an end, since any such place would require a 306 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: mechanism to store information, which, in time would itself eventually die. 307 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: As the second law states entropy, the level of disorder 308 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: in a system only increases, much like the way an 309 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: ice cube melts in hot water, as the universe continues 310 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: to expand, or the heat or energy contained within is 311 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: predicted to become so uniformly dispersed that processes which rely 312 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: on the transference of energy to function will no longer 313 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: be possible. Whatever the truth of our potential to be reincarnated, 314 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: or to recall the lives of others, or indeed to 315 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: exist in a vast shared conscious space side by side 316 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: with each other, one thing is for certain. We are 317 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: all cosmically significant, whether it be to day as the 318 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: collection of matter that we call ourselves, or to morrow 319 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: as a piece of star dust. 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