Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have very
Speaker 1: special guests. I want him to sing a little something
Speaker 1: before I introduce you. By the way, I wanted to
Speaker 1: do a plan words. I kept calling, calling, not you,
Speaker 1: but your publicists, begging, pleading, come on, let's make it happen.
Speaker 1: Let's get October in the studio. Damn, I just said to.
Speaker 2: And you should have just called me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you could do that. I didn't start
Speaker 1: into the DM was like that, Start making your ramen.
Speaker 2: Start making this ramen. This is I actually call this
Speaker 2: dish the South Bend Struggles. I'm from South in Indiana,
Speaker 2: so always good old before I open it, and always
Speaker 2: breaking in fours?
Speaker 1: Does there have to be fours or you just break
Speaker 1: it up?
Speaker 2: I have OCD has to be eating not three years
Speaker 2: or it can be two. But then I feel like,
Speaker 2: are you serious?
Speaker 3: You really have OCD A little bit, not like crazy
Speaker 3: like I have to touch microphones or something like fourteen times,
Speaker 3: but not like that, not that bad, but you know,
Speaker 3: just you know that.
Speaker 2: Type of stuff. Poor. Then oh yeah, this is yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the bully that we're gonna use for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna have you on these, but
Speaker 1: I don't want you to burn your fingertails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know that works. That works.
Speaker 2: You've got to have that up.
Speaker 1: In there, and you gotta make two.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: You're cooking for you and yeah.
Speaker 2: That's true. I'm used to nobody wanting to eating it.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: I set them, used to nobody wanting to eat.
Speaker 1: This ramen that you may how scary.
Speaker 2: Son. Only my son's like, oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 2: Everybody else is just I don't know how old is
Speaker 2: your son?
Speaker 1: Eight?
Speaker 2: Okay, but he's bouchie, so I'm surprised that he wants
Speaker 2: to eat it.
Speaker 1: Okay. I feel like the younger kids, they believe in you,
Speaker 1: like you're a superhero no matter what you make.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's very true, you know, but I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it. It's water. I'm actually gonna need a
Speaker 2: little bit more, but more, Yeah for sure, Oh no,
Speaker 2: you're gonna need it, trust me.
Speaker 1: Actually I am terrified.
Speaker 2: Trust you're gonna need more.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, all right, so.
Speaker 2: Then that go to the microwave. I don't do it
Speaker 2: on the I don't do it on the stove. I
Speaker 2: don't put anything in it, nothing like that. Obviously, put
Speaker 2: in the microwave, and I do it for dope. Wait wait,
Speaker 2: wait wait, I do it for ten minutes, ten minutes,
Speaker 2: ten minutes. I gotta hit this thirty second button a
Speaker 2: few times.
Speaker 1: It doesn't explode in the microwave, but that heat.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: Do you put a lid on yours at home?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Really, ten minutes, that's gonna be mush for sure.
Speaker 2: No, well it's not really, No, it won't be. It's
Speaker 2: the it's the cheese part that makes everybody look at
Speaker 2: it and be like really, and I'm just like, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's melted.
Speaker 1: Will happened to you?
Speaker 2: One day?
Speaker 1: You put it in too long? And you said, hmm,
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: This, that might have been. That might have been that actually,
Speaker 2: that actually might have been I might have put it in.
Speaker 2: Chel was like, oh for I forgot, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: You were like, it's the last pack of ramens. So
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just gonna work with it.
Speaker 2: And also, I was a big fan of chicken noodle
Speaker 2: soup when I was a kid. I would always eat
Speaker 2: it like that. So when other people would make me ramen.
Speaker 1: I'm like, these noodles aren't done, They're not Oh you
Speaker 1: want this to be soup.
Speaker 2: I want no, I don't want to be soup. I
Speaker 2: want the noodle to be the consistency of a chicken
Speaker 2: noodle soup that has to be a salt like.
Speaker 1: Think I've ate a lot of chicken noodle soup. I
Speaker 1: barely remember what chicken noodle soup.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: But I'm also Jamaican, and Jamaicans they make everything from scratch.
Speaker 1: So you know, my mom make the dumplings, the whole
Speaker 1: and everything. I don't know if I've ever had it
Speaker 1: really in the can see, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna take you, you know, take you to a place
Speaker 2: you need to be with the noodles. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I got you.
Speaker 1: So tell everybody what else is going in this ramen dish.
Speaker 2: Okay, So in this South Bend struggle, I put butter
Speaker 2: in it, just you know, softening the flavor, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. You know. I gotta put the chicken
Speaker 2: pack in there that comes with it, pepper, some seasoned salt, lowries.
Speaker 1: In addition to the seasoning pack, in.
Speaker 2: Addition to garlic, salt, or you can do garlic powder
Speaker 2: if you want, and sometimes I do both. So you
Speaker 2: got And then the last ingredient is mozzarella cheese.
Speaker 1: And where does the butter come in?
Speaker 2: The butter comes in once I take the noodles out
Speaker 2: add the cheese.
Speaker 1: I am afraid and inspired by this ramen, just just
Speaker 1: when you thought ramen couldn't get any worse, you know,
Speaker 1: But hopefully, hopefully this makes it in my top because
Speaker 1: I told you earlier, there's like I've had enough ramen
Speaker 1: to be able to you know, I'm hoping you yea
Speaker 1: last so because I've had someone do ramen and I
Speaker 1: literally ended like this is the worst ramen in the
Speaker 1: history for rameny, but just so much onions.
Speaker 2: It was oh no, no, yeah, I've heard of other
Speaker 2: things getting added to ramen and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: but I don't know jalapenos. I've never done that, but
Speaker 2: that that wouldn't bother me. I don't think. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think if that would. I like the way mine is.
Speaker 2: It's just set just right for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And.
Speaker 2: I forgot actually one ingredient, but it's okay, what is it?
Speaker 2: It was a parsley flakes I like color on it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm into?
Speaker 2: Now? Fresh?
Speaker 1: Do you do fresh?
Speaker 2: I'm lazy that it will.
Speaker 1: It will change your life and it lasted your fridge
Speaker 1: for a while, as long as you keep it dry.
Speaker 1: But I don't get like fresh, Dell fresh, oregano, fresh, parsley,
Speaker 1: all of it. And then like you know when you
Speaker 1: shaw tell your butter and garlic. Really, I promise you
Speaker 1: changes the game.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: I learned it from this show.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's soothing to you, Just no, I.
Speaker 1: Learned it from this show. One of the guests on
Speaker 1: here cooked with it, and she was like, it was
Speaker 1: the fresh ingredients that made it taste different. I need
Speaker 1: I'll be learning tips, you know, just be teaching me
Speaker 1: how to cook.
Speaker 2: Okay, I need to try it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this mozzarella. May go home and end
Speaker 1: up eating this for a couple of days because I
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, I don't think I will, because this
Speaker 1: seems like it's gonna be very much. I like geese.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love mozzarella cheese on like spaghetti,
Speaker 1: like a lot of it.
Speaker 2: It'll be in your top five at least.
Speaker 1: We don't see. We don't see. I don't even think
Speaker 1: we need a second bowl. We could share your bowl.
Speaker 1: You just pour some a it'll be enough.
Speaker 2: The noodles will be puffy enough. That's where you want
Speaker 2: to get it too, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, bring it on out, bring it all out,
Speaker 1: bring them out, bring them mouth. Oh it's hot, do.
Speaker 2: That thing hot? Yeah. See, at this point you might
Speaker 2: say they're either perfect or they're like or they're a
Speaker 2: little overcooked, right or maybe not? So what look how
Speaker 2: they look now? Right? So people would eat them like that?
Speaker 1: Okay, I was expecting more mush.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, no, but remember I'm about to put it
Speaker 2: back in there for another ten what why? Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: how I cook it. I cook it for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: It's twenty minute, ramin.
Speaker 1: Are you joking?
Speaker 2: I swear that's what I was saying. I told you so,
Speaker 2: I swear to you.
Speaker 1: All right, So with what?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So with this? Now, take some butter, put it
Speaker 2: up in there. I'll let it, but I put it
Speaker 2: in there now. Sorry, so I can put the butter
Speaker 2: in there, it'll mouth whatever.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute pause. You cooked it for ten minutes? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Now you're saying that you're gonna do what you do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I do. Put not all the stuff.
Speaker 2: Montrelle is the last thing, okay, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: put it back in there for ten.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like a whole go ahead, educate used. This
Speaker 1: will be the most memorable. We're gonna call this episode
Speaker 1: the longest ramen of your life. You can't be starving
Speaker 1: and you go to October's house and he'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cook you some rum and you I'm telling
Speaker 1: you'll be better. I'll make a spaghetti.
Speaker 2: I'm no man.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see this. Okay, put the butter in.
Speaker 2: I put the butter in.
Speaker 1: Starting to look mushy. Okay, no, it's not cloudy.
Speaker 2: Put your chicken. Oh yes, definitely cloudy. Put your chicken
Speaker 2: pack in there, all right? And after that, some pepper.
Speaker 2: I'll throw some pepper in there now, okay, just a
Speaker 2: little bit, though, I'll put some more. It comes back out.
Speaker 2: Start this up, get it right, get it even. You know.
Speaker 1: You're hilarious.
Speaker 2: Oh I love making this. This is so fun for me.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I think you like everyone's reaction.
Speaker 2: Because I don't cook at home, no cooking home. I
Speaker 2: took it out every day.
Speaker 1: You know what it's. But what there's so many things.
Speaker 1: You probably tried that one to say, Man, I don't
Speaker 1: belong in a kitchen.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I no I cooked. I just don't cook
Speaker 2: on the stove a lot. I'll make ramen, boiled eggs,
Speaker 2: stuff like that, or scrambled eggs, something like that on
Speaker 2: the stove. After that, I don't do nothing. No, you
Speaker 2: don't see me cooking pasta. I'll get on the grill though. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm outside grill.
Speaker 1: Let's see how well you see it though, because I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like it. Whatever you make it
Speaker 1: home could be very salty.
Speaker 2: No, not at all, you would think so, because we
Speaker 2: have the chicken pack in there added some lowries.
Speaker 1: You were very very nice with the lorry.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you don't want to You don't want to overdo it.
Speaker 1: Don't love overseason like a crazy person. But my food
Speaker 1: tastes good. But I'll tell you this. My daughter, who's three,
Speaker 1: she's been every time I cook, she runs up and
Speaker 1: she'll go do do do do, and she'll grab a
Speaker 1: seasoning and run off to her little kitchen. And the
Speaker 1: other day she took the all of the lorries like
Speaker 1: dump the whole thing in her little season She must
Speaker 1: think all I do is play with seasonings all day,
Speaker 1: because all she does is run up. She grabs her
Speaker 1: little stool and just steal seasonings.
Speaker 2: She gets to watch you cook. I'll make all these
Speaker 2: great dishes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other day she's like, I'm cooking for my
Speaker 1: for Kingston.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, cooking for Kingston. Who's Kingston? Exactly?
Speaker 1: The neighbor next.
Speaker 2: Door, like a hole. So I've added the seasonings.
Speaker 1: Okay, no mozzarella, guys.
Speaker 2: No mozzarella. So I've added the butter and the chicken pack,
Speaker 2: the garlic, garlic powder, some little bit of garlic salt,
Speaker 2: some lowries, and some pepper, which I'll add some more
Speaker 2: pepper in a minute. And now I'm gonna put it
Speaker 2: back in the microwave. I know Jamie is back there rolling,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna add it another ten minutes to it.
Speaker 1: This is insane.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Oh. You're gonna love it. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, oh my god, I have to
Speaker 2: make this once a week, once a week.
Speaker 1: Once a week, I could cook a whole chicken meal.
Speaker 1: So take me back to what was going on during
Speaker 1: this twenty minute ramen?
Speaker 2: Oh, well, you know it was. It was a struggle obviously.
Speaker 2: You know, now I'm signed to death Row, you know,
Speaker 2: shout out to Snoop Dogg, of course, and you know
Speaker 2: I'm doing all this stuff now, But before all that,
Speaker 2: it was that struggle, like every other artist, man just selling.
Speaker 2: I was selling CDs out out of this van that
Speaker 2: me and my boy used to drive called Big Shirley.
Speaker 2: So he used to drive that and pass out CD
Speaker 2: Shout out to DeMarco Black.
Speaker 1: This was this was when CDs people had CD players, right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I mean you're taking out the deck you
Speaker 2: know what was it, the Kinwood deck man? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: So we're right this time. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: you know, you're fifteen taking back to fifteen year old.
Speaker 2: Fifteen year old me trying to figure it out, trying
Speaker 2: to write and everything, and you know, I'm in and
Speaker 2: out of jobs or whatnot, just trying to find out
Speaker 2: which job was the right job for me. And I
Speaker 2: had three jobs at one time. I was detailing cars,
Speaker 2: I was I was trying to sell cars at one point,
Speaker 2: and then I was working at Steak and Shake at
Speaker 2: the same time. So I was trying to find.
Speaker 1: Myself while going to high school all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was a hustler and you had dreams.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I had dreams I needed. I always had
Speaker 2: that drive to get you know, get to it and
Speaker 2: get after it. So you know, I'm at home trying
Speaker 2: to figure it out, what's the next step, trying to
Speaker 2: make it. No, I was only making what steaking shake?
Speaker 2: I was getting paid like what, three four hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: I thought I was bawling every week, you know, So
Speaker 2: I was like, hell, yeah, you know. But in the
Speaker 2: midst of that, I'm hungry. I'm like, oh, gon, make
Speaker 2: me some ramen. And I don't know where along the
Speaker 2: lines where I started making it for twenty minutes. Maybe
Speaker 2: I forgot about it at one point, but I just
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. And I was like, you know, this
Speaker 2: reminds me of chicken noodle soup. I was a chicken
Speaker 2: noodle soup head when I was a kid, So I
Speaker 2: like the consistency of the noodle pause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta pause because I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 1: trying not to judge you. I'm praying to Jesus that
Speaker 1: are we got two seconds? Good pause timing. Yes, we be
Speaker 1: about to eat. We're about to eat some mashed potatoes
Speaker 1: mixed with mozzarella and cheese.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna judge it really hard, guys, and keep it
Speaker 1: all the way real.
Speaker 2: But we're not done yet. We still have to put
Speaker 2: stuff on it. You think it'd be done all the
Speaker 2: way now, all the noodles are. I could have made
Speaker 2: it better.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2: It's not it's like it's almost like a pasta. So
Speaker 2: you see how it still has a little bit of
Speaker 2: water in it. It's supposed to be like that because
Speaker 2: if it was dried out, it'll been messed up.
Speaker 1: And no, god, no, we can't. We would never eat.
Speaker 1: We would never eat. Did you ever make this for
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg?
Speaker 2: No, but I think he would really enjoy it. Matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I'm think I would make it for him.
Speaker 1: I think, and I'm record it. Send it to me, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would, please.
Speaker 2: I would close your microwave. But it's really hot now
Speaker 2: it's been running for a long time.
Speaker 1: Is it really that hot?
Speaker 2: No, No, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Okay, now let's just see it. Let's see if there's
Speaker 1: a really you're hilarious, that's like a twenty dollars microwave too,
Speaker 1: Probably couldn't.
Speaker 2: Let's go next door get her, get her a new microwave.
Speaker 2: All right, so it's look, I mean the consistency of
Speaker 2: a Look at the noodle. Now it's soft, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't need to you don't need teeth. You
Speaker 1: don't need teeth. Break out the straws. Everybody, your grandparents,
Speaker 1: get your great grandparents could eat this dish.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: If you ever have a jaw break, this is the meal.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go this and now we want to
Speaker 2: we want to finish it off. Okay, first off, I
Speaker 2: did say that I was gonna add a little bit
Speaker 2: more pepper. That's the only thing.
Speaker 1: You don't even sample to see it this season.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't need to know. I already know.
Speaker 2: It's pure perfection. Okay, pure.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to try this mashed potatoes and cheese. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's see.
Speaker 2: It depends on how much cheese you want, but I
Speaker 2: would probably go let's see, I think that's.
Speaker 1: All the cheesey doing Okay, let's see. Look the cheese
Speaker 1: melts it right into the gravy.
Speaker 2: Okay, actually no, this is not enough cheese for me.
Speaker 2: This not for me. I want you to make it
Speaker 2: how I would make it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to eat it the way you would
Speaker 1: because we're gonna see if this will ever make it
Speaker 1: into the top thirty all time.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's gonna make it. It's gonna make it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to see I need it just a little bit cheesier
Speaker 2: I needed to. Yeah that should be good. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: this is just gonna be amazing. I mean, look at it.
Speaker 2: You could really serve this, like.
Speaker 1: I feel like you was back. They're plotting on how
Speaker 1: to uh make the worst eating while broke dish, and
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm going to make twenty minute ramen
Speaker 1: with some cheese.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely not.
Speaker 1: I mean it looks gooey. It looks like some really
Speaker 1: gooey mashed potatoes. Now see yeah, I'm joking. It looks
Speaker 1: like very it's gonna be it's I'm surprised you're using
Speaker 1: a fork and out of spoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you use a fork. Look at the cheese on
Speaker 2: the fork.
Speaker 1: Look you serve me up here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, get some of that. Get some of
Speaker 2: that that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's I want to get the h That's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm Jamaican. Okay, wet cow stomachs and tails.
Speaker 2: It's a cow stom mix and tails. Look at the cheese.
Speaker 2: Look at that. Just absolutely beautiful. I'll just I'll just
Speaker 2: put a little bit in there just so you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hook me up, I eat hook you Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's enough. That's enough of your I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: It looks good.
Speaker 2: Thank you. See but wen't see that's a lot of
Speaker 2: cheese though. Here.
Speaker 1: You can have this fork. I'll take that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, you take
Speaker 2: that for it because you have to.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, looks guys presentation.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I like the I do agree. You could have done
Speaker 1: the parsley on top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the party on top. Yeah yeah, yeah, the parsley
Speaker 2: on top really adds the color. It's not that bad,
Speaker 2: is it? Go ahead say exactly, you're right, it's.
Speaker 1: Not that great.
Speaker 2: Serve this up to snoop please, no, I'm telling you this.
Speaker 2: This got me through.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is a one and done. If all
Speaker 1: start one and done, this is like what happens when
Speaker 1: you don't cook at home. All right, So okay, so
Speaker 1: you're doing this music on the side. What was the
Speaker 1: original inspiration? When did you start to realize you wanted
Speaker 1: to pursue music.
Speaker 2: I was trying to get my writing right at fifteen,
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen. I was still working, wasn't really going in
Speaker 2: like that. But when I turned eighteen, I was like,
Speaker 2: I think I really want to do this. Started going
Speaker 2: to my friend's house, my friend Travis's house. I started
Speaker 2: doing fruity loops. It was a program that you make beats,
Speaker 2: so I didn't even really want to sing that much.
Speaker 2: I was just like, man, I can start making beats.
Speaker 2: I want to be like Timblin, you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and then started to sing. And then I saw on TV.
Speaker 2: I actually came over over Travis's house and it messed
Speaker 2: me up because he was like, oh man, look it's
Speaker 2: this light skined do with braids just like you. Man,
Speaker 2: killing it on TV is killing you. I'm a competitive person.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah.
Speaker 2: Then I started to sing even more so that was
Speaker 2: tray songs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: I think it was just got to make it or something. Man,
Speaker 2: it might have dropped.
Speaker 1: So okay, so you start doing music, you graduate high school,
Speaker 1: what's your next big play?
Speaker 2: Next big play is trying to find a way into
Speaker 2: the music industry. I didn't know. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do. I just knew the slang CDs and go
Speaker 2: to bars and try to do little shows, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 2: sing one song, not karaoke or anything like that. I
Speaker 2: never liked karaoke, but I just wanted to go sing
Speaker 2: in front of a crowd and just see how that felt.
Speaker 1: And you're all doing this still in Indiana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just hitting different bars in Indiana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and your parents are now onto you. Nope,
Speaker 1: they're not onto you. You're keeping the seagrut.
Speaker 2: No, they just think I'm going to hang out with
Speaker 2: my friends.
Speaker 1: I said, you have siblings, anybody in the family know
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 2: Maybe two, But they were on they were doing other stuff,
Speaker 2: so I didn't. They didn't pay no attention to her, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just doing whatever.
Speaker 1: Is there a reason why you weren't telling anybody?
Speaker 2: No, I just I don't know. I just didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 2: I didn't think I was that good like that. So
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 2: do it or you know. It wasn't until, like I said,
Speaker 2: I was eighteen where I was like, maybe I really
Speaker 2: should do this, but I don't know yet. I don't
Speaker 2: want to tell anybody and get every because then they
Speaker 2: want to come to the shows. And it wasn't. Then
Speaker 2: it makes me nervous at that point, I'm nervous, Nelly.
Speaker 1: But now you're approaching the bars yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with other friends that are older. So I'm getting
Speaker 2: into these bars and doing that. But you know, bar
Speaker 2: was cool with us and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So you start performing. When do you start to really
Speaker 1: believe in yourself?
Speaker 2: Probably twenty twenty one something like that.
Speaker 1: Was there something in particular that happened that made you go, oh,
Speaker 1: I think I have something here.
Speaker 2: I don't. I can't remember. I don't think so. I
Speaker 2: think I was just I think I just started to
Speaker 2: progress a little bit more and started to meet more people.
Speaker 2: And the more people I met, I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: they like it. This person likes it, and he's close
Speaker 2: to this guy that's five degrees of separation from that guy.
Speaker 2: Maybe I should keep going. Yeah, okay, And then that
Speaker 2: just kept going from there, and I still started to
Speaker 2: meet different people, my boy Mike Letter, which I wrote
Speaker 2: several songs with or whatnot. So you know, I just
Speaker 2: it was just the constant going and finding different people
Speaker 2: to talk to.
Speaker 1: And then while all this is going on, you're still
Speaker 1: working multiple jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I'm still working multiple jobs. Until jeez, when
Speaker 2: was that? That was? Time has gone by so fast?
Speaker 2: Because that was what I was fifteen. That might have
Speaker 2: been two thousand and eight, so we're talking maybe two
Speaker 2: thousand and fourteen or something like that. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's time's been going by so fast. And I think
Speaker 2: about I never sat here and thought about how long
Speaker 2: it's been since I actually started.
Speaker 1: Since you actually started, or when do you started to
Speaker 1: like actually one hundred percent go into.
Speaker 2: No, since I just started writing, like at fifteen and
Speaker 2: being like, whoa, it's been a minute.
Speaker 1: That's a long time. But even at fifteen, you don't
Speaker 1: see the average fifteen year olds saying, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to start writing songs unless they kind of call a
Speaker 1: cliffhanger of someone else's story, like oh, you can make money,
Speaker 1: especially it seems like money.
Speaker 2: Oh. Star Kelly R. Kelly was the one that really
Speaker 2: pushed me to like do me like I was just
Speaker 2: his writing style was cold.
Speaker 1: It was amazing, It was amazing. I remember I remember
Speaker 1: seeing some of his music going. I had never seen
Speaker 1: anything like it before. It's really the Isley Brothers. I
Speaker 1: was a little late, obviously, I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was when they did that, I was like, oh shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: this musical on wheels is crazy. It's crazy good. Still
Speaker 1: have the hooks in my head. Okay, okay, So you
Speaker 1: see that you're getting inspired, you're pursuing writing and your
Speaker 1: echine towards the promised land in towards it. Yeah, echine
Speaker 1: towards it.
Speaker 2: The term is step forward eight steps back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So give me an example of a four step
Speaker 1: four like where you think you touched the land and
Speaker 1: then landed right back.
Speaker 2: Mmmm. That would have to be I want to say.
Speaker 2: I want to say, I don't know what year it was,
Speaker 2: but it might Oh no, it might have been like
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, something like that.
Speaker 2: The years are all bunched up, so I probably got
Speaker 2: those wrong anyway, But whatever. I was with one of
Speaker 2: my friends, Mike Letter, who lives in Miami where kicking
Speaker 2: and we end up meeting in a circle who made
Speaker 2: the bad Boy song, the you know, the off of
Speaker 2: Cops or whatnot. And I'm just hanging around all these
Speaker 2: people producers like d Nad which was you know, with
Speaker 2: with other with other artists, and we got to call
Speaker 2: that we're gonna go to Lenny kraviatt studio in Miami.
Speaker 2: So I'm like that. It was the guy that works
Speaker 2: with Lenny. I'm like, this is it. You know, we
Speaker 2: we got all our songs, Like me and Mike are
Speaker 2: gathering all these songs in a hard drive, like, no,
Speaker 2: speck this one out. We're just like, no, he's gonna
Speaker 2: love this one. He's gonna love this one. He's gonna
Speaker 2: love this one. And we went there and the dude
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you got some potential, but you know,
Speaker 2: you're like you might be like five to ten years off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, to get on now.
Speaker 1: Were you going over there to like sell him your
Speaker 1: songs or to.
Speaker 2: To get a song to Lenny and to get a deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we get signed and be on a ten years.
Speaker 1: That's that's not the response you're looking for.
Speaker 2: I got that within the same week. Another person that
Speaker 2: was working I think for Bad boy. At the time,
Speaker 2: she said the same thing. She was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think he needs development and it's going to be at
Speaker 2: least ten years.
Speaker 1: And I'm like Jesus, and how many years in the
Speaker 1: game were you at that point? You were probably almost ten,
Speaker 1: right at that point, No, fifteen, at least seven, right,
Speaker 1: something like that. Seven Damn? Could you imagine seven years
Speaker 1: and be like I got another ten to go?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm like yo, I'm like, man, this is not it.
Speaker 2: So I just crashed back all over again. Go back home,
Speaker 2: go chill all the way back to it. Yeah, go
Speaker 2: all the way back to Indiana, go back, get a job, restart.
Speaker 1: Damn. I stopped that really knocked the going out yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I stopped doing music for a while. Stop
Speaker 2: doing music for man.
Speaker 1: You know, my little brother is a comic. But I
Speaker 1: remember when he first started. I said to Ego, you
Speaker 1: got to choose your ten. Even though it sounds like
Speaker 1: you chose your ten, but I noticed everybody industry like
Speaker 1: they had to do their ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah they said ten thousand hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, we're ten thousand hours. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: a better term. But I remember Gabby Wilson, remember her,
Speaker 1: I remember when she was a little girl. She's coming
Speaker 1: to our next studio, and she was like seven or eight,
Speaker 1: and she was so talented, and nobody knew what to
Speaker 1: do with her, and she kept coming back. And then
Speaker 1: one day I turn on the TV and there she is.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck? But it took her, like
Speaker 1: the animal, twenty years. But you don't know that it
Speaker 1: takes that long. So you go all the way back.
Speaker 1: They knocked the one out of your cell. What makes
Speaker 1: you pick up again?
Speaker 2: Just not wanting to struggle, not wanting to do the
Speaker 2: job anymore. It got to the point where I wasn't
Speaker 2: keeping a job very long because I just hated it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, dude, I don't want to do
Speaker 2: this shit.
Speaker 1: Do you think in the back of your mind you
Speaker 1: got a taste of the promis Land? You got so
Speaker 1: close that you couldn't like shake it.
Speaker 2: And you know, went back at it again after a
Speaker 2: couple of years or something like that.
Speaker 1: A couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like I was listening to music and
Speaker 2: still studying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, were you still playing in the studio,
Speaker 1: like still coming up with music or where.
Speaker 2: You just a little bit a little bit. But as
Speaker 2: far as like me going full in. I'll knock the
Speaker 2: wind out of.
Speaker 1: Them, damn. Okay, so you start to get back up.
Speaker 1: I like this this the hero is Yeah, of course, okay,
Speaker 1: everyone does that. Okay, so you took a step back, Okay,
Speaker 1: you come back. What brings you completely out of the closet?
Speaker 1: Besides you hate the job?
Speaker 2: Uh? I just felt like, man, so many great R
Speaker 2: and B artists, and I really wanted to be a
Speaker 2: part of that story of music, like having my name
Speaker 2: in that. You know. I don't want to be better
Speaker 2: than them or nothing like that. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: be I'm competitive, yes.
Speaker 1: But I like your competitive space.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no for yeah, it's bad, but you know,
Speaker 2: I just want to be there. I want my name
Speaker 2: somewhere in that in that list, you know, for for
Speaker 2: R and B or for any genre really. So I
Speaker 2: just it was just the yearning of it. I And
Speaker 2: like I said, I didn't want to work any regular
Speaker 2: job anymore. I had great friends around me, like, no, man,
Speaker 2: you should really still do. They're playing my music in
Speaker 2: their cars and I'm just like, oh, I stop playing
Speaker 2: this ship like I'm not gonna get on and it's over. YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 2: all that shit. So what you know, end up leading
Speaker 2: to me going into truck driving school.
Speaker 1: Truck driving school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to be a truck driver.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this.
Speaker 2: Was now, this was two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine if you actually didn't come back, it'd
Speaker 1: be a waste of great talent behind the wheel.
Speaker 2: I'd be eating cheetos and ramen mozzarella. Oh god, just
Speaker 2: chewing away.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, driving Oh my god, thank god. I hope.
Speaker 1: Well you still eat mozzarella ramen.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I always gotta go back.
Speaker 1: No you don't. If there's one thing you ain't gotta do,
Speaker 1: it's go back to mozzarella. Twenty minute ramen, go back,
Speaker 1: go back. All right, so you come back, what's your
Speaker 1: This is twenty fifteen. Now it's twenty fifteen. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you're coming back, damn twenty fifteen. Yeah, I see. I
Speaker 1: see how the road can be fast for you. Okay,
Speaker 1: So then you come back. What's your first play coming back?
Speaker 2: Get a get an actual job, not like a well,
Speaker 2: I want to say actual job, but you know, you
Speaker 2: have your stake and change over your stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I need something that's going to
Speaker 2: pay me, you know, eighty to one hundred a year.
Speaker 2: That was my that was my goal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was like, well, I like driving. I like
Speaker 2: being on the road a lot. I was always a
Speaker 2: road warrior. All my boys are like, we'll get in
Speaker 2: the car and just drive like no problem. So it's
Speaker 2: like I was like, well, I'm a car person. I
Speaker 2: don't mind trucks. Let me just try a truck driving school.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: And I was doing truck driving school.
Speaker 1: Did you like it?
Speaker 2: It's cool. I don't like the studying part. I hate that.
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of I learned a lot,
Speaker 2: so respect to the truck drivers, and I learned a lot.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you.
Speaker 1: Like I learned enough to know this job.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man. But I was almost about to graduate. I
Speaker 2: was maybe a couple of weeks or a week or
Speaker 2: something like that from graduating. And then got the car
Speaker 2: from Jazzy or I want to say, I got the car.
Speaker 2: My boy DeMarco Black rest in peace. He just passed
Speaker 2: my That's my ace that I started in twenty fifteen with.
Speaker 2: He had a connection and got me to do the
Speaker 2: call with Jazzy, and Jazzy was taking my music to Snoop,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know that, so I sent my music
Speaker 2: to Jazzy. Jazzu was already going to meet with Snoop,
Speaker 2: so he went to go meet him and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: you know, I ran to this kid, he's out of Indiana.
Speaker 2: Let me play some of his music. He played some
Speaker 2: of my music, and he played one of my songs
Speaker 2: that sounded very Marvin Gay esque, and he loved it
Speaker 2: and he was like, Okay, I'm gonna sign this kid.
Speaker 2: And then three months later, well, I quit truck driving.
Speaker 2: After that, I was like, okay, this is the big break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this this is off the word that he
Speaker 1: was going to sign you or off the eng This.
Speaker 2: Is off the word I was. I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not peace. Jazzu was like, just sit tight through Christmas
Speaker 2: and I was like okay, bet. So it got through
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen Christmas. January, I was getting nervous. I was like, Jazus,
Speaker 2: we're still doing this right. He was like yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's a lot going on to holidays and you know
Speaker 2: all that. I was like okay. February came and then
Speaker 2: Snoop called me and was just like before right, I
Speaker 2: think the day before the super Bowl and was like, yo,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely I definitely want to sign you. I want
Speaker 2: to get you out here while you're out here, and
Speaker 2: I flew out March sixteenth, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I love how you remember it. Why do you remember
Speaker 1: that date?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just remember that I thought that
Speaker 2: day was going to change my life.
Speaker 1: And was that your first time on the call with Snoop?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you were like, oh shit, this is real.
Speaker 2: It's like real because he was like, oh, I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of you, nephew.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do that in person.
Speaker 2: What's up, homies, it's a big homie Snoop dog, I'm
Speaker 2: a fan of you. Player Like all right, cool. I
Speaker 2: was like, I didn't think it was really him at first.
Speaker 1: It was like a prank call from Jazz.
Speaker 2: If they did it today, I'd have been like, that's
Speaker 2: ai click no he I know.
Speaker 1: So you get the call, you fly out. What's what's
Speaker 1: the first experience?
Speaker 2: March sixteenth, meeting him sitting in that lobby and just
Speaker 2: looking around like the pictures of him and your doggy
Speaker 2: style and I'm just looking around like, man, this is
Speaker 2: crazy and he comes out and he's a labor and
Speaker 2: I'm a laborer. So we just yo, what up? Man?
Speaker 2: What's like we knew each other.
Speaker 1: You weren't nervous at all? No, okay, did you wear
Speaker 1: a suit?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't wear a suit, but I was probably
Speaker 2: I probably was dressed, but I didn't wear a suit. No. No,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go that hard. And he'd be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I got a preacher or something you don't like. So
Speaker 2: we went into the studio and the rest was history.
Speaker 2: He put on a beat, saw my work ethic, and
Speaker 2: I just knocked out one song like that, and he
Speaker 2: was like damn, okay, throwing another one, knock it out,
Speaker 2: another one, knocked it out. It was like he was like, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, you got the voice, you got the work ethic.
Speaker 2: I see, but we'll just keep going. And in a
Speaker 2: week I did. Oh No, I did in three or
Speaker 2: four days. I recorded the album that we're supposed to
Speaker 2: put out. I did eighteen songs in three or four days.
Speaker 1: Get the freak out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Did you already have your deal signed already or no?
Speaker 2: I was still in process, But I was like I'm
Speaker 2: going in. Yeah, I'm going the fuck in At this point,
Speaker 2: I'm passionate about what I'm doing. I you know, feel
Speaker 2: strongly about the way I'm writing and all that, and
Speaker 2: he let me just have full autionomy. He was like, well,
Speaker 2: call me when you're done. I was like, for real.
Speaker 2: I was like, this ain't how labels work. They used
Speaker 2: to be on your We don't like this. What are
Speaker 2: you feel like and going through like artist management and
Speaker 2: artist development and all that, and it's just like he
Speaker 2: was just like, I love the first song that you did, man,
Speaker 2: see if you can come up with another one. Came
Speaker 2: up with another one within an hour. He was like,
Speaker 2: what you didn't have you had that sitting. I was like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: I just knock him out. And now I knocked out
Speaker 2: eighteen in three days. Got my I was actually sick
Speaker 2: after that. I was just stayed in the studio.
Speaker 1: I had no rest or nothing.
Speaker 2: No rest or nothing. And he was like, dude, go
Speaker 2: back to the hotel, go rest Let me listen to
Speaker 2: these songs. And he was like, yeah, we got an
Speaker 2: album and we put out color Blind.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: We had to do a two part because it was
Speaker 2: you knows.
Speaker 1: And then at what point was the deal done?
Speaker 2: Deal still wasn't. Well, the deal was done right before
Speaker 2: the album dropped yet, Okay, so then I'm signing and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's all. It's on to the races.
Speaker 1: Now. Did you have to on the business side, did
Speaker 1: you have to like contact lawyers and do all that
Speaker 1: or did you did you even know how to move
Speaker 1: in that space because you're coming from truck.
Speaker 2: We weren't even As a matter of fact, I now,
Speaker 2: actually I have to go back because hold on a lot.
Speaker 2: Me and him never had a contract until death throw,
Speaker 2: so we went years of just handshake loyalty just to
Speaker 2: find out who you know, the loyal part. So I
Speaker 2: forgot about that. So we didn't even have Mentally, I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm signed to him mentally he was. So
Speaker 2: that's why I'm like, oh, yeah, you know that was done.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I like those deals better. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like something about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was he gonna steal from me? I have ship?
Speaker 2: I'm broke. I'm broke.
Speaker 1: I mean Ramen, hopefully not Mozzarella Ramen.
Speaker 2: I wasn't making it like, I wasn't making it this
Speaker 2: good that could it's good. Oh yeah, I was making
Speaker 2: it the regular way, you know, the regular way was
Speaker 2: yeah done. Yeah, you gotta adkice to it. Yeah, be
Speaker 2: sexy ramen?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I know, absolutely not. You need to go
Speaker 1: back to the classic ramen with just some butter and
Speaker 1: call it today.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: I never knocked the butter in the ramen. I think
Speaker 1: that's the secret. It makes it creamier. But okay, but
Speaker 1: that mozzarella.
Speaker 2: It was the butter.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: That's why I should be in the top five.
Speaker 1: It should definitely be in the top ten. So going
Speaker 1: back to the worst rum and you're not the worst.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, you're not the worst. I
Speaker 1: would do yours over the absolute worst. But you don't
Speaker 1: like that cold mozzarella ball in your mouth? No, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like no colds in your Okay. Uh so okay,
Speaker 1: So you and Snoop, you guys, you signed to him.
Speaker 1: What are your parents saying? I want to know, like
Speaker 1: what your family is saying, what the people around you
Speaker 1: are saying. During all of.
Speaker 2: This, everybody's just like, this is it. They're hoping because
Speaker 2: they saw me go to the struggle. Yeah it's it. No,
Speaker 2: it's not. Oh yeah yeah, no, hey damie, yo, this
Speaker 2: is it man. I'm on my way to never mind it,
Speaker 2: like they're just like Jesus Christ. I really hope.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can't see him trying out
Speaker 1: for cold air school next day.
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, like color, I would have killed
Speaker 2: it in culinary school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you would have killed something in culinary.
Speaker 2: My pork chop surprise would have been a killer in
Speaker 2: culinary school. And I don't even have a pork chop surprise.
Speaker 2: But I'm making now.
Speaker 1: You don't make it now, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be like it's gonna be stuffed with ramen. Cut it, open,
Speaker 2: stuff it you.
Speaker 1: If you belong in music, you belong in music. You
Speaker 1: belong in music. I can't even say if you should
Speaker 1: know you belong in music. This is where you need
Speaker 1: to be at that. And the styling of your dressing
Speaker 1: is very nice.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, just stay out of the kitchen. Get you
Speaker 1: a wife that I'll.
Speaker 2: Stay over there and kill some steak, though rib steak.
Speaker 2: I can't cook chicken.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a team if they would ever
Speaker 1: trust you to cook for them, they would.
Speaker 2: As long as I'm on the grill. Not They don't
Speaker 2: want me to do nothing on the stove.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he probably put mozzarella in mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2: If they saw me cooking on the stove, they would
Speaker 2: probably leave immediately, or they'd just be like, yeah, we're good,
Speaker 2: we'll order out. Yeah. But if they saw me on
Speaker 2: a grid, they'd be like, okay, about to get down.
Speaker 2: They trust me there.
Speaker 1: I don't trust you there, but okay, I don't trust you.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So you're doing your music, So tell me about some
Speaker 1: of the highs, like the very first high of your career,
Speaker 1: after the signing, after the album's done, m what's the next?
Speaker 2: First album was first?
Speaker 1: Because you have? Is it three?
Speaker 2: Now? Colorblind was a double Okay, it was a double disc.
Speaker 2: But at that point, I mean, people are liking the album,
Speaker 2: but we weren't really pushing it really hard. We just
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to see organically what it would do.
Speaker 2: So it kind of I don't know. I was on
Speaker 2: the fence. I was like, do people like it? Like,
Speaker 2: do people love it? I don't know. Maybe people don't
Speaker 2: want to hear the type of music right now. So
Speaker 2: at that point I'm just more nervous. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm sign a snoop.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mentally, you know, we're you know, we have this agreement,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why isn't anything going number one? Why
Speaker 2: isn't anything Like, Oh, I don't understand, Like is it
Speaker 2: people hated people and end up people actually loved it.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know. We didn't. We weren't really we
Speaker 2: wanted to see organically and it just worked out. No,
Speaker 2: nothing went number one, you know. No, it wasn't at
Speaker 2: the top of the charts, but it was like one
Speaker 2: of those underground things that felt yeah, where now people
Speaker 2: know those songs so worked out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're being competitive. Did you feel that pressure
Speaker 1: of like, oh my gosh, I'm signed to Snoop? You
Speaker 1: know these the people that he's worked with you did
Speaker 1: you play that? Did you play that in your brain
Speaker 1: a lot?
Speaker 2: Well, a little bit and not too much because I
Speaker 2: was like, he's a rapper, but if he was a singer,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh boy, this's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2: I really got to go. But is he's a rapper
Speaker 2: and he has these connections. I was like, I think
Speaker 2: I'm in a safe space, which.
Speaker 1: I was, Well, I feel like too, your style compared
Speaker 1: to everybody else, is very unique. It's definitely sets apart,
Speaker 1: so you can't really say, oh, I'm competing with the
Speaker 1: say Chris Brown or anybody else, because you you kind
Speaker 1: of you very well own your lane.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. If I would have been in like the
Speaker 2: same lane or the same label as a Chris Brown
Speaker 2: or just him alone, I'd have been like, Oh great,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get shelved or I'm put this album. They're
Speaker 2: gonna go back to him, And I was like, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna work out. So I was it was a
Speaker 2: great lane to be in.
Speaker 1: It was a great lane. Yeah, And I think for
Speaker 1: death Row you definitely added a surprising element. And not
Speaker 1: talking bad about death Row because I be honored to
Speaker 1: have Snoop, you know obviously, but you added a level
Speaker 1: of like, oh like level of like classic layer of
Speaker 1: all Man.
Speaker 2: When he said I was gonna be the flagship for
Speaker 2: death Row, I was like, huh.
Speaker 1: But you could see it. You could see like it
Speaker 1: to me, you you really bring something to that label.
Speaker 2: I'm just happy to be on it because I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm you supposed to be signing like rappers to this label,
Speaker 2: like you had Park and all that.
Speaker 1: Like, were you a little nervous too about like his direction?
Speaker 1: Like obviously he was off hands. He lets you be you,
Speaker 1: But were you nervous like a rapper kind of?
Speaker 2: No? No, No, he knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1: And you know he had good taste. He had good taste, right,
Speaker 1: good taste.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And he's a liver. You know, it's the best.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, livers are the best, got it? Liverras and ramen. Okay,
Speaker 1: So take me. So you end up going on tour,
Speaker 1: how was the tour?
Speaker 2: Serenade tour with Maxwell and Jasmine Sullivan was amazing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was amazing. It was. It was really dope. You know,
Speaker 2: Maxwell was in my top ten. So I love being
Speaker 2: on tour now.
Speaker 1: Now personality wise, I got to ask between Jasmine and Maxwell,
Speaker 1: who who would you be locked in a in a
Speaker 1: room with for a long pero?
Speaker 2: Maxwell? Because me and me and Maxwell just we vibed,
Speaker 2: like we talked a lot. We talked like every couple
Speaker 2: of days, just like so where you going and like
Speaker 2: where do you want to go in life? Like where
Speaker 2: do you want? Where do you want your music to go?
Speaker 2: And just get an experience from him. So we had
Speaker 2: like just great talks and just great interactment, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so Max, Okay, damn, I would have thought jazz,
Speaker 1: you know, Max, like big brother, was you scared of jazzmins?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just heard she couldn't make rama.
Speaker 1: Anyone can make rama except for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, she was great.
Speaker 1: I just you know, yeah, Now I'm curious. I felt
Speaker 1: like that tour was a really good lineup. It was
Speaker 1: a really good, well rounded lineup. It was very impressive.
Speaker 1: It was very impressive. Okay, so take me down to Doggyland.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, doggy Land.
Speaker 1: How did that happen? Doggy Land? For all of you
Speaker 1: guys that don't know, you could break it down.
Speaker 2: Doggyland is a kid show on YouTube, So you can
Speaker 2: look up doggy Land kids on YouTube and find it.
Speaker 2: It's just educational and just great music. You know. I
Speaker 2: do the music. I do some of the music I do.
Speaker 2: I voiced the character Woofie, and I'm co owner of
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah now how did that come about?
Speaker 2: So I was in the studio working on songs and
Speaker 2: Snoop comes in and he's like, Yo, we need to start.
Speaker 2: We need to like do a kid song. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, He's like you think you can do that.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, okay, cool, and he just walked out,
Speaker 2: all right, let's stop what I was doing. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, whipped up a kids song about thirty forty
Speaker 2: minutes something like that, and then he came back in.
Speaker 2: He was like, what you got and I played on
Speaker 2: a song. I forget which one it is because we
Speaker 2: have so many songs now, but I played it and
Speaker 2: he was like, I like that, that's joke. Can you
Speaker 2: do another one?
Speaker 1: And I was like, why was he asking you to do
Speaker 1: kids songs? You didn't even ask just he'd be okay.
Speaker 2: I know, like after I finished and I go in
Speaker 2: the room and we like, you know, we have like this.
Speaker 1: He didn't even give you a topic like ABC's.
Speaker 2: No, he knew what you know. You know, I was
Speaker 2: gonna come up with something. So then made another one,
Speaker 2: came back in, and this time I put my son
Speaker 2: on it and he loved it. And it was a
Speaker 2: song called brush Brush Your Teeth and he was like, yo,
Speaker 2: I got to make a call. And then him and
Speaker 2: Claude Brooks, the other co owner of the show, they
Speaker 2: got together and was like, yo, we need we need
Speaker 2: to do this kid show. We need to work together,
Speaker 2: YadA YadA, pull october Man and they did. And next
Speaker 2: thing you know, we were five six, seven, twenty songs
Speaker 2: deep and the show was getting created and animated and
Speaker 2: it just blew up, you know, over almost Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like over a quarter billion views. Yeah, it just
Speaker 2: it really blew up. It's in Africas and it's everywhere now.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make you look at the kid genre like differently, like, go, man,
Speaker 1: there's money to be made over there. I mean I
Speaker 1: hate to talk like that, but it doesn't make you
Speaker 1: look at it like I mean, that's a whole space over.
Speaker 2: There, there is. It's a whole space. And yeah, you
Speaker 2: can be very lucrative making making children's music.
Speaker 1: You ever You ever hear the Baby Sharks song and go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that drove me nuts. I hate that song, but I'm like, how.
Speaker 2: And let it snow or let it let it, let
Speaker 2: it go?
Speaker 1: I love that song. Don't hate on that song.
Speaker 2: Don't let it go.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I was like, bro, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something as an adult, which is good for
Speaker 1: them without anybody any kids at the time, I definitely
Speaker 1: downloaded Demi Levado's Let It Go without anybody knowing, like,
Speaker 1: you know what other song? I have to admit to
Speaker 1: an artist that I really liked when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and I was ashamed to other artists.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to No, it was Jewel. Jewel. You
Speaker 1: don't know who that is? The white girl guitar folk music.
Speaker 1: I like Jewel. I was definitely ashamed, didn't want anybody
Speaker 1: to know about it. And I actually like Brittany's. If
Speaker 1: you was black, you wasn't walk around like here with
Speaker 1: Britney Spear, but you was watching the video when nobody
Speaker 1: was around you was definitely you know, hitting a couple
Speaker 1: of songs, you know, you know, yeah, so I had them.
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because sometimes if you listen to
Speaker 1: my iTunes, you'll see them pop up and people be like,
Speaker 1: what's that?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know click no no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 2: I'm about to play some gangster music.
Speaker 1: Do you ever do that? Do you have people that
Speaker 1: you listen to that you kind of weren't proud to
Speaker 1: listen to?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Let me come on, everyone has that one? No, I
Speaker 1: know dudes. The other day shout outs to Jerry back there.
Speaker 1: He said that he liked Taylor Swift. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to put you out there, but.
Speaker 2: Taylor has some music for sure. She has I listened
Speaker 2: to like and when I say listen to it, I'm
Speaker 2: not in the car listen to it like I'll see
Speaker 2: an album. Actually, no, because I think Taylor's nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: four album or whatever. I was like, let me just
Speaker 2: see what this sounds like. I'm on the plane. By
Speaker 2: the time I get off plane and be done with
Speaker 2: the album, I listened to it straight through and I
Speaker 2: was like, god damgn it straight through. Really, I was
Speaker 2: like shit, and I was like, hey, she is dope.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm look it up now I'm writing. Oh. No,
Speaker 2: I think nineteen eighty four was probably I can't believe
Speaker 2: I'm saying this.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love that you're saying that.
Speaker 2: I think it's nineteen eighty four, so you.
Speaker 1: Can relate to having that artist that.
Speaker 2: Really one of my favorite artists is John Mayer, so
Speaker 2: it kind of reminds me of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Mayor is pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, r Kelly Shade, John Mayer top three, and D'Angelo
Speaker 2: top four all time. Really absolutely, yep. Oh, I could
Speaker 2: listen to them.
Speaker 1: All day okay, and hip hop you can't say snoop
Speaker 1: Top three and hip hop can't say snoop because you
Speaker 1: know we're just gonna assume Jewel uh pray bang them out.
Speaker 2: Man, if I were to, really, I have to bump
Speaker 2: in the car.
Speaker 1: What do I mean half to? You don't listen to
Speaker 1: rap music?
Speaker 2: I do, But man, I was just banging Young Jeezy's album.
Speaker 1: Young Jeezy. There was one album that Jeeze put out
Speaker 1: that was really amazing and I still.
Speaker 2: Can't motivation one on one. I think it was listened
Speaker 2: to in the car and I'm.
Speaker 1: Just there was one where he had like a bunch
Speaker 1: of bullets shooting out his gun. I forgot what it is.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite song. I still can't find it to
Speaker 1: this day. I go through and I.
Speaker 2: Look for it. It's it's probably And I was just,
Speaker 2: is it a It's like hands in the air or
Speaker 2: something like that. It's because when it first starts out,
Speaker 2: it's like bloom boom boom boom boom boom boom bloom bloom.
Speaker 2: It's gotta that's gotta be it.
Speaker 1: I think it is, but I can't find it. I'll
Speaker 1: go through like every one when I'll go through and
Speaker 1: I listen.
Speaker 2: And I'm talking so much. D I really lived it, man.
Speaker 2: I was in the car, like yeah, and I was
Speaker 2: going to Target.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't know why I like that album,
Speaker 1: but so geez in Top three, man, between your mozzarella
Speaker 1: and your wrap is not good mozzarella rap. Okay, come on,
Speaker 1: come on, just hit me with the top three.
Speaker 2: Please. What's not my top three of all time? This
Speaker 2: is just what I'm about to bump in the car.
Speaker 1: Top three of all time.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you can't make me do that.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can't leave, you can't.
Speaker 2: No, I can't think of it. Okay, all right, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: I know one off the top, JA Cole off the top,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know Jacole, J Cole off
Speaker 2: the top, J Cole, jay Z.
Speaker 1: You mean jay z thn JA Coole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not in order, okay, j Z, jay Z,
Speaker 2: J Cole.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll throw you out some some freebies just to
Speaker 1: help you out. There's Kanye, there's Wayne.
Speaker 2: Yeah after them. Yeah okay, okay, yay, and and and Wayne.
Speaker 2: I can yeah, I could go there you go, but
Speaker 2: you said top three.
Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, yeah, Wayne, Okay, I would.
Speaker 2: Do Wayne Bananas still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jay Z, who did you say was the second
Speaker 1: z Z? It would be jay Z, Wayne lyrically, jay Z, Carters, Bro.
Speaker 2: Jay Z, Lil Wayne, j Cole, Kanye, but no, because
Speaker 2: Kanye's cold blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kanye would go before Ja Cole. I love you,
Speaker 1: I love you Jake Hole fans, and I know how
Speaker 1: much you guys love Jake Hole.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be so much. This is called this is
Speaker 2: gonna cost so much slander. We were good until we
Speaker 2: got the hip hop, and now it's gonna be nothing
Speaker 2: but slander.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. As long as long as they
Speaker 1: don't focus on your mozzarella ramen, you'll be safe.
Speaker 2: No they I wish they'd go back to that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have October nights. Is there a record
Speaker 1: on that song that you play or you played repeatedly?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Which is the song that you like the
Speaker 1: most on that record? Oh?
Speaker 2: Probably kill Shot? Either kill Shot or uh it was
Speaker 2: an interlude at first, and then I can't remember what
Speaker 2: the hell name of the song.
Speaker 1: Is, but that's hilarious, okay, kill Shot? And then which song?
Speaker 2: Too much music? I don't, I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't remember a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Okay. And then when you write music, is it Taylor
Speaker 1: to just your life or is it Taylor to like
Speaker 1: things you see around you? Okay?
Speaker 2: Because I can't. Once people start doing it, you can
Speaker 2: make music for you. That's cool, but know that, you know,
Speaker 2: you got to reach out to an audience. Now it's
Speaker 2: like rappers getting rich and then that's all they talk
Speaker 2: about his rolls, voices and every like. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like Drake does everything is oh, I'm at
Speaker 2: the my doing this. You like niggas about your album?
Speaker 2: They ain't all got a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Bro. Speaking of Drake. Don't want to get off chap,
Speaker 1: but I hate Drape as a Drake as a singer.
Speaker 1: Any any parts of his album where he sings or
Speaker 1: does his whatever he does, I can't do it. I
Speaker 1: don't even listen to it. I just listen to the rap.
Speaker 1: That's it. How do you feel about that top Prime
Speaker 1: and please no time? Please? Oh my god? Do you
Speaker 1: feel the same way I loved it at first?
Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1: You know what I could tell because you're struggling with
Speaker 1: your rap, your rap, So yeah, I'll give you that.
Speaker 1: I can see that for you. I can see that
Speaker 1: for you. Hey, all right, is there any songs that
Speaker 1: you wrote that you were crying behind the booth? I
Speaker 1: have to know, you know, one where you tear it
Speaker 1: up right and come on, be mad enough to say it. Breakup?
Speaker 2: No, hell no, I've never done that. No, never done that. Breakup.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, there's no no break yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, no, no, no, there was only one and
Speaker 1: now I did a song called say I had a
Speaker 1: song called say Goodbye with that's because one of my
Speaker 1: best friends that passed away.
Speaker 2: That was only one. I've only cried on one song
Speaker 2: and that was that.
Speaker 1: Okay, And you cried during the making opp like had
Speaker 1: to take a break?
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely several times? Okay, absolutely, but that's it, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But as far as.
Speaker 1: Like, you're not crying over girls, oh my gosh, it's savage.
Speaker 1: Just so you guys know, October is very impressive in
Speaker 1: the music lane. Go out there, check out October Nights.
Speaker 1: It's out right now at right now. Hopefully we'll see
Speaker 1: him on tour. Yes, and shout outs to your crew.
Speaker 1: I know you guys have these micro waves on the
Speaker 1: tour buses. Please stay away from bunking near October for
Speaker 1: your own health. Matter of fact, just remove the microwave
Speaker 1: from the bus.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get first off, I'm gonna get your new microwave.
Speaker 1: Why because you blew all the kilowats in this little
Speaker 1: it's twenty minutes? Is it done? For real?
Speaker 2: Just choking?
Speaker 1: All right? Thank you so much for your time. I
Speaker 1: had so much fun, even though I don't think I
Speaker 1: fully got your whole story.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's I can make the stuff, though. No.
Speaker 1: If you come back, I will teach you a quick,
Speaker 1: simple dish that you cannot burn down your house. It
Speaker 1: doesn't require a microwave. Yes, okay, you know when you're
Speaker 1: a mom, you learned twenty I call them like twenty
Speaker 1: dollars twenty minute like cool ass dishes that you can
Speaker 1: make that are banging. And I cook with a lot
Speaker 1: of high end like I cooked crab, lobster, a lot
Speaker 1: of seafood, and I still manage to do it under
Speaker 1: a budget. Just you know, tastes great, tastes great, Yeah
Speaker 1: you sure, as long as I have Butter'm good? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: got butter, I'm good. I can't make anything taste but
Speaker 1: I just don't cook red meat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and ranch have a ranch.
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: Having in fact, like like I said, put on everything
Speaker 2: chili lasagna, not ramen pizza.
Speaker 1: No, no, did you say ranch on lazagna?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you just draped after it comes out of the oven.
Speaker 1: All the women out there, all the women out there,
Speaker 1: all the women out there. I'm telling you, if October
Speaker 1: asked you on a date, make sure it's at a restaurant.
Speaker 1: Make sure you don't go to his house in Cereal
Speaker 1: with some ranch, come to some butter. Do not go
Speaker 1: to this man's house. Come on through unless you ate first,
Speaker 1: Come on through, get this noodle.
Speaker 2: And with that.
Speaker 1: Guys, we signed out piece out, check out October London,
Speaker 1: October Nights out album out right now.
Speaker 2: Hope.
Speaker 1: Well, he'll be back on tour. We can catch him
Speaker 1: in person singing Ye anything else and Doggie Land out
Speaker 1: anywhere on YouTube yep.
Speaker 2: And go get the toys. We just drop toys at
Speaker 2: Target and I think at Walmart too.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, these guys don't play. We are moving hustler
Speaker 1: spirits over here.
Speaker 2: Right. That's what I need to do. A kids cooking
Speaker 2: show there it is.
Speaker 1: I would love that. I would love that I would
Speaker 1: love that you can use our studio anytime. There you go,
Speaker 1: all right, Peace out, guys, peace, Peace for more. Eating
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