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Speaker 1: time NBA All Star three Tame All NBA. Another Wizard legend,

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Speaker 1: Gilbert Aarnez, is joining us later on in the show.

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Speaker 1: But first, John, second round of the playoffs is kicking off.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk because we're so early in

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Speaker 1: these series. I wanted to start off today's show by

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Speaker 1: asking you who've been some of the most impressive players

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Speaker 1: that you've seen in this postseason so far?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 3: Two for me? There's no order, but I say order

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Speaker 3: for sure. There was one Jayleen Brunton, two for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you think that's gonna carry on into this second round?

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Speaker 3: Well, I haven't seen Jaylen Brunston Game one yet, but

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Speaker 3: from Man's Game one, it look like it's gonna get

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Speaker 3: team to go on. How coming up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, how shocked were you to see him him

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Speaker 1: just you know, picking up where he left off in

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Speaker 1: that first series and done it against the reigning champs.

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Speaker 3: Knock shocked because he has the confidence, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, It's like I said before, he has their

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Speaker 3: old school mentality. Yeah, in the new school era. I

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Speaker 3: mean he's not backing that for nobody. He competes at

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Speaker 3: high levee guards. He's probably the best two way, superstar

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Speaker 3: he's doing on the other end, just reading the stats

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Speaker 3: that he would leading the league in fourth quarter points

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, I think like ten point four. And

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Speaker 3: you could tell like they all realized this year and

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Speaker 3: I think we have their team was last year Cat

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Speaker 3: was still trying to figure if he was the guy

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Speaker 3: Nas Reed and Jada McDaniels out in the playoffs. Now

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Speaker 3: the team. Nasriy win six man year. They coaches did

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Speaker 3: a hell of a job. And then Kat like you

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Speaker 3: know what it's in man show, I take the backs.

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Speaker 3: He'd be the second best player. But then some nights

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Speaker 3: he still is liked the best player, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, depending on who they're playing against and how

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Speaker 3: and the way he's playing, you gotta follow that lead.

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Speaker 1: How do the Nuggets game plan? Do you think it's

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Speaker 3: I think for them to really just I watched the game.

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Speaker 3: They I mean they really just ain't make shots real.

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Speaker 3: that's been there before, and they never get too high,

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Speaker 3: I liked their identity because I mean the way they

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Speaker 3: And they didn't go out celebrating out the one win

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Speaker 3: He's like, what the hell is it? Be happy before

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Speaker 3: So we unseen teams be up three to oho lose leads.

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Speaker 3: We've seen to be up three to one. That happen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Jalen. He had mentioned Jalen with

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Speaker 1: the next Pacer series. Well, what's gonna be the key

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Speaker 3: So I think they put the right pieces around. I mean,

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Speaker 3: like three of those two of those outside Jenner Rush

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So him making the passes like that game against

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Speaker 1: I think one of the storylines that people have been

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Speaker 1: you really think that Jalen has that on his mind

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Speaker 3: I don't think he has to prove anything. I think

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Speaker 3: playing against Tyry Salenburn. That's another good point guard in

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll call that series, Nick Pacers. Who you got?

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Speaker 3: I think the Pacers. I think the only thing that

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Speaker 3: play with a lot of speed. I think the Nicks

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Speaker 3: I might be wrong, but I'm taking Paces in six.

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd just got announced this morning that they're extending

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Speaker 1: And I can name some names for you too, you.

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Speaker 3: But I know, I know they probably won't T Lou

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think people were talking about comparing this

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Speaker 1: actually gonna have one of your former teammates. Only play

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Speaker 1: Moving back, Welcome back to Point Game with John Wall

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Speaker 1: by three time NBA All Star, time All NBA Agent

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Speaker 1: Zero or Hibachi himself. I want to know which one

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Speaker 1: you prefer, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Gilbert Arenas, Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's Agent zero that had the Hibachi.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, how you feeling, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good. Right now.

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Speaker 4: I'm in YouTube jail, so I can't go live myself

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Speaker 4: for another like two days. I think, what do you

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Speaker 4: mean YouTube jah copyright strikes? You know, during like the

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Speaker 2: ESPN gave me the strike on it, Like, man, come on,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta be you gotta be careful

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Speaker 3: I know music for sure, Like, yeah, I know music

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Speaker 3: They do not not play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Gilbert, we can even start there, man, Like

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Speaker 1: How has it felt like it feels like you settled in?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know, when I first started with two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 4: He said, don't go in there as Gilbert Arenas, three

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Speaker 2: And then from there it's been like a job to me.

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Speaker 4: All right, so it's kind of like how you when

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Speaker 4: Met him the first day. Sugar Hand is a man.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of you, the whole uh Leonardo

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Speaker 3: learning how to work out, learn how to be a pro,

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00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 3: all those type of things. And he didn't have to

433
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 3: do that, you know, I mean because he was the

434
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 3: face of the team and he could have say you, no, FM,

435
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to do it my way. So to have

436
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 3: that respect from you and get the love and the

437
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 3: appreciation to help you gave me to guide me early on,

438
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 3: even though I wish you could have been longer, it

439
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,919
Speaker 3: was short lived. Even though it came to Orlando, seen

440
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 3: y'all and played. We always went to dinner and did things.

441
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 3: They had fun. So I would say, like, talk about

442
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 3: your time in d Like what did it mean to

443
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 3: you because like we were so much both of us

444
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 3: is so much big into the community that we adapted

445
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 3: to the community and they adapted to us.

446
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 2: Back.

447
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 4: Yes, when I when I came, downtown wasn't built. It

448
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 4: wasn't built, but like what you see, they won't like that. No, no, no,

449
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 4: So when I got there, it was in development, but

450
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 4: there wasn't really nothing around like that, the movie theater,

451
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 4: all that that wasn't there, Like Rosie was was a

452
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 4: rose Mexicano that wasn't there. So they were trying to

453
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 4: convince me to stay in d C. But I ended

454
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 4: up going to you know, Virginia. The city embraced me.

455
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 4: It was one of those things where after my first year,

456
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,959
Speaker 4: I remember playing at Barry Farms and then that's where

457
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 4: like me coming there every weekend, right Friday, Saturday, Sunday

458
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 4: there playing just out there, just bawling, no security, just

459
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 4: went out there, you know, just trying to hoop, just

460
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 4: trying to find the best hoop in the city, because

461
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 4: I didn't go back home that summer. So just them

462
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 4: seeing me every single week and having fun, laughing, standing

463
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 4: after watching games. You know, the hood. The hood took

464
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 4: a hold of me right, Like it was crazy because

465
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 4: they protected me more than anybody. Like when I went

466
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 4: to the club and let's say something was about to

467
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,719
Speaker 4: go down there to a guilt. Not tonight, you got

468
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 4: a game. We don't want nothing to happen to you.

469
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 4: Go ahead and leave.

470
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: In fact, they definitely will give me. They will give

471
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 3: you the green like, listen, it's time to go to here.

472
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be here this later, never like this, it's

473
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: time for us to rob.

474
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 4: People right now. Go ahead, Andy and John. I got

475
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 4: on jewelry like a buggy.

476
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 3: It's like, oh man, what we're about to run people?

477
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 4: So go ahead and leave. And I'm like all right.

478
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 4: So it was, yeah, I was really blessed I was

479
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: in there. I came in a time where, just like you,

480
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 4: the city needed a new face. Right, Michael Jordan's just

481
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 4: left a poland was getting killed for not having Jordan

482
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 4: come back. So his thing with me is get me

483
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 4: to the point where no one talks about Michael Jordan

484
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 4: and you're protected forever, right, And so when I did

485
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 4: get hurt and hurt my knee, none of that mattered.

486
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 4: You know, they were telling him he's not worth the

487
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 4: money anymore. Don't sign him, and you know it was true.

488
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 4: But I had already had with three knee surgery or

489
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 4: two knee surgeris at the time, right, so my need

490
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 4: wasn't the same.

491
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: But A was like he did his part. I told

492
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 2: him I was gonna protect them. The max is his.

493
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: So the MAX came from just the loyalty of a

494
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 4: poland had nothing to do with you know, them thinking

495
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 4: I was going to be the same player again.

496
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think just like you said, you already

497
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 3: proved it as a player for one and then your loyalty,

498
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: like you said, that's the biggest factor. Yeah, it's funny

499
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: because like I was, I was talking to Sash and

500
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: I was just like, there's always a debated boy, is

501
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: it Gil or is it John? That like had DC,

502
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: And I'm like it's kind of hard to say because

503
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: we both had so much love. But even before I

504
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: got there, I hurt, like you would pull up in

505
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,239
Speaker 3: the mayback, leave the keys in there. But a lot

506
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: of people be scared to go to berry farms, Like

507
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: that's not the area to go to by yourself with

508
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: no security, So for you to go play that was dope.

509
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: Me.

510
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: I didn't play, but I went and watch games all

511
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: day and I'll be there all night just watching and

512
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 3: I played in some of the good mo leagues the

513
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 3: indoor gyms. But just having that embrace for the city

514
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 3: is what you want, man, Like I said, you don't,

515
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: you don't. I think a lot of people think we

516
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: were just so authentic, like we didn't go in and

517
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 3: try to fake it to be something, just as being ourselves.

518
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: So to get that love from the city is always dope.

519
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 3: Because I know you went back, and I know it

520
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: was amazing to go back, like for them to see you.

521
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was Listen, I ain't gonna lie. I

522
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: was scared. I was scared. I was dreading that. Man.

523
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 4: It was like, I think more because I felt like

524
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 4: I let the people who had me on this pedestal

525
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: down right, not necessarily fans, just you know, SACas all

526
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: the people inside the organization. It feels like I failed them,

527
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: and I was afraid to see they face again, right,

528
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: you know.

529
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: So that was more of the fear factor.

530
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: So when I got there and some of those faces

531
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: that were still around or smiling walking back and kind

532
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 4: of let that guard off, and I was like, man,

533
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: let me just enjoy the moment seeing everybody face again.

534
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: So it was really a blessing for me.

535
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, dope, staying with those early times just as kind

536
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: of like a what if, because I've heard John say

537
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: on this part in the interviews that it was a

538
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: lot of pressure for you, John to be like you

539
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: didn't have that veteran early on, like you were the

540
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: face of the franchise. You were dealing with a lot

541
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: of losing. So just as like the what if, Like

542
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: what what would it have been like to have Gilbert

543
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: and gil for you too, to be that veteran and

544
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: mentor for an extended period of time for John, Is

545
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: there a way that you guys could have made it

546
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: work that you can turn those you know into some

547
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: wins and have a little bit more chemistry over there.

548
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think it was.

549
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: Just to be honest, my mindset then, right I I

550
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: don't think I would have been a great mentor and

551
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: a great player for him, right.

552
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: I was still.

553
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: Battling the aftermath of what's happened, right It kind of

554
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 4: it kind of took me a few years to really

555
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 4: fall in love with basketball again.

556
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: Uh So being a player and the mentor wouldn't.

557
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: Have worked for for him, I either I had to

558
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 4: be either one, right, So it would have had to

559
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: step away from the basketball part and then just teach

560
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 4: him the roops of you know, uh, you know, team meetings,

561
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 4: getting to the gym early, understanding personalities, right, understanding like

562
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: you know when I was there, you know I got

563
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: the Shawn Stevenson who clubbed a lot, right, So getting

564
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: the coaches to understand this is his thing, this is

565
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: his vice. You can't pendle him for the three four

566
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: five in the morning coming into the hotel. Let him

567
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 4: do him. He'll be ready for the game. Right, Everyone

568
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: is not the same. That's what I would have had

569
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 4: to teach him to understand different personalities. Looking at you know,

570
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: watching somebody walk inside that locker room if they're ready

571
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: to play today, right, if they're going through something mental. Right,

572
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 4: looking at somebody on the court, or you know, sitting

573
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: on the bench, if he's ready to be called in

574
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: on Like you know somebody who's who hasn't played for

575
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: three weeks, but he got that it's today a coach,

576
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: try him out. Let's see if he got some today.

577
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 4: Or someone who who don't have it, say, hey, coach,

578
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 4: it ain't his day. To day, right, go ahead, go ahead,

579
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: pull the plug early on him. Right, he ain't he

580
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: ain't got to sit out. He got something going on

581
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: with him.

582
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: Right.

583
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: Those are the things I had to really understand early

584
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 4: because I had Antoine Koran and Larry Hughes. See, I

585
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 4: had veterans that kind of showed me the roofs even

586
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 4: though I was the wild thing, right, So I wasn't

587
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 4: really a great VET because when I became a real veteran.

588
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: I was hurt.

589
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: So I'm showing the young boys the party side of

590
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: the NBA versus the work ethic of the NBA. So

591
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 4: we came. He came at the wrong time of.

592
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Me, right, that's real.

593
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would have had to come in like two

594
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: thousand and five six right that time, oh.

595
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: Or two thousand and twelve.

596
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 4: Thirteen when I got to when I knew basketball was

597
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: over for me. So when I got the Memphis I

598
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 4: was a better VET to Sapargo and Josh Shelby.

599
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: So you said you fell in love back with a

600
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: game because you felt like there was coming to an end.

601
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I felt actually I fell back into

602
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: the game when you guys were in the playoffs, when

603
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: y'all was playing when Paul, when Paul Pierce got there,

604
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: and y'all.

605
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: Year before that, the second year, the first year we

606
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: played the Bulls now about the second ye when Paul

607
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: came in twenty fifteen playing Toronto. Yeah, twenty fifteen, we

608
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: swept them. Yeah, oh oh yeah.

609
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: So that's when I became a fan again, like a

610
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 4: like a real basketball Yeah.

611
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: I came.

612
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: I walked him. That's that's that's my fourth year in

613
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: the league.

614
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had much. I had my my Obama chair,

615
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: I had Obama chair.

616
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: I'm sitting in my Obama chair and I'm sitting there rooting,

617
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 4: rooting for the guys again.

618
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, this was the feeling.

619
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: That's dope, though, Like you broke it down like some

620
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 3: everybody's different, you know what I mean, Like, hey, I

621
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: had it his way, you know what I mean, Like

622
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 3: he can go party and go get you forty like

623
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: everybody having their way. Some guys like you said, might

624
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: come in I can yell at this guy in front

625
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: of everybody, then I might have to just sit down

626
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: and talk to this guy during the time out with

627
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: everybody not hearing it, and just I said, just been

628
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: around like guys like you Kurt Heinrich, you know, I

629
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: mean out Our Thornton thort out thor and then been

630
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: around like Drew Good and Al Harrington, Trevor Resa and

631
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: those guys like Paul Pierce, just learning so many different

632
00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: ways to be in and do it. But like you,

633
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: it all depends on what spot you was in, your

634
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: in your mindset and your career because like we've both

635
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: been through a lot of injuries and had injuries, and

636
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: like you'd be frustrated, like damn, I know I can

637
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: still I should be in this spot, but at the

638
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: same time, it might not be your time. So you

639
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: got to be able to take the back seat and

640
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: willing to move forward. But uh, I wish it would

641
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: have been a time like where Gil could have still

642
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: been Gill. That would have been amazing backcourt. But at

643
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: the same time, if he was that, I don't think

644
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: I get drafted there. I mean, even though I probably

645
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: was the best player to be drafted time. If Gil

646
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: was still Gill, they go a different route because you

647
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: don't need a point guard. You have your franchise gud

648
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: that's still there and still healthy playing at a high level.

649
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, I think they would have probably

650
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: it depends on it depends, right, if we're healthy, And

651
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: it was between you and Evan Turner, right, so he

652
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: was more of a shooting guard and a playmaker. Right now,

653
00:29:54,560 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: My I'm pretty sure we would have still went with

654
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 4: you because it's no different than with me and Larry Hughes.

655
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: Right.

656
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: You know, we were both one two's, so most likely

657
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: you would have been the one and I would have

658
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: just ran into where I get to shoot all shots, right.

659
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: That's what we're basically trying to do for our twelve games. Anyway.

660
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: I mean we went to La you had thirty when

661
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: you had the do chacka bonet shoes on. This guy's crazy.

662
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: He had no shoe strings. He's not about to play

663
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: with anklests and no shoes and strappy shoes and went

664
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: out there and got thirty. So we had our moments

665
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: and it was definitely funny before you left. So my

666
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: question is for you, you had a one on one

667
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: game between Agent zero and Hibachi. I know you said

668
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: what you said earlier, who win it? So you got

669
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: to figure out who gonna win between that matchup.

670
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: You're thinking huh, and break down those different those alter egos.

671
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: I'll probably say.

672
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: It depends, okay, who gets the ball for because look,

673
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: so yeah, who gets the ball first?

674
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: So like any one on one that's the biggest kid

675
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: about the ball first, that you're not trying to play

676
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: no defense.

677
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: Yes, so okay, Agent zero was like it was a person, right,

678
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: it was a it was a it was a person.

679
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: It was who I was. Right, So that was like

680
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: ninety five percent of the game I was Agent zero.

681
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: And then the moments when you can't be stopped, that's

682
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: when I was in Hibachi mode.

683
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: Right, the last five minutes.

684
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: You gotta go win the game, the eighteen straight points

685
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: in the row, I've been Haibachi time, right.

686
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: But the funny part is Hibachi was the funnier one.

687
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: When I was Abachi. I was funnier because I know

688
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: you can't stop me this moment. Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

689
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: All the trash talking, Yeah that was that. Yeah, that

690
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: was that guy where I'm just I'm just aging for

691
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 4: no for no reason, I'm hitting three in a row.

692
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there doing this ship. I can't film a face, right,

693
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there. I'm more in play mode. It's more

694
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: like the Joker style for form M.

695
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: That's a great answer.

696
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: Well, but like this, it's ignorant. But it's not because

697
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: you can't stop. You get in that mode. It's like, okay,

698
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: I know you can't stop. You try everything you want.

699
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: Like like like Anthony Edwards when when when he was

700
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 4: talking to.

701
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: KD that was that was that's about it, that's it's

702
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: about you.

703
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: That's about your mode.

704
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was calling for ice like I want this,

705
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: Like I know you can't stop.

706
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: Hey what what play? What play?

707
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: Did you have either your rookie year or your your

708
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: second year where you knew.

709
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm hire? There's always another funny you know.

710
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: The funny party is it's the second game. Remember my

711
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: second game we played in Atlanta. Yeah, after you got

712
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: whooped in Atlanta, D n T. I go to Alanta.

713
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: I go to Atlanta and I'm having a great game

714
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: and I was like I belong. But I tell you

715
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: my real first game was that first home game when

716
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: I dug it.

717
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is that the lib too.

718
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: No, No, that was preseason, that's preseason. But it was

719
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: that game because I almost had a quadruple double.

720
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: You did.

721
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: I got mad because I think you had non steals

722
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: and I had none steals. And I could have got

723
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: one more steal and I was tired as hell, and

724
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: nobody told me about it. But that's when I knew

725
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: I belonged in the n BED, Like I found my

726
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: moment because I really wanted to go Edvon Turner because

727
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: when he checked in, he was like, y'all, y'all picked

728
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: the wrong guy. And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna

729
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: show you because I never got to play in college.

730
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: He's a great player, but I never got to play

731
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: them in college. And when I had that big game

732
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: we won, I was like, all right, I blong. I

733
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: realized I belonged here because my first game was tough,

734
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, because Dwight Howard. I won't get into the room.

735
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: He's blocking every young athletic, and I won't shooting the

736
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: mill range as well. At the times, I was like, fuck,

737
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: I'm a score. I remember my first basket? Are you

738
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: a year? A step in transition? Goal tended? I was like,

739
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: this is a weak ass versus basket got go to.

740
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, my first home game is when I felt

741
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: like I belonged in the NBA for sure.

742
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

743
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 4: That's usually like when you're playing, there's usually like plays right,

744
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: you do something just out of body and then you

745
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: were like.

746
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Oh I'm him.

747
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember I split I split a pick

748
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: and roll split it picking roll and I remember, uh,

749
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: daddy jung try to take a charge and I slid

750
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: out the way and I got and one. I was like,

751
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: all right, fucking I mean, I still can do some

752
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 3: of the ship I can't do, but back then I

753
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 3: was splaining and you can break down this too, like

754
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: it's so much. It was so much like you play

755
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: in this area. I think you would have a field day.

756
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: You can't hand check. It's all space and a lot

757
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 3: of shooting. Don't take nothing on these players. These players

758
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: are fucking talent. They're great. Every kid's getting better. Well,

759
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 3: when I came in, it was two bigs, two actual bigs.

760
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: You come across the lane, you're getting chucked. Like I

761
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: remember earlier in the year we played Indiana and Scott

762
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: Jeff Foster hit me. Man. I got up like I

763
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: wan't do something like listen, he ain't the one to

764
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 3: do that with I was like fuck, I was like damn.

765
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: So it's like the physicality is just so much more

766
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: different than what it was when we had to play,

767
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: and you really had to be able to knock down

768
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: me rang and knock down floaters and learn how to

769
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: play the game.

770
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think we lose.

771
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: We lose the tough big but it's more height through throughout, right,

772
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 4: because now you have you might have a seven foot

773
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: a seven foot at the small forward now, right, so

774
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: everyone's longer and more athletic.

775
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: Right, so the whole is open.

776
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 4: It closes and it's like it's like back then where

777
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: you win, you had to do a lot more dodging.

778
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: Here it's a lot more flying, right, so when you're coming,

779
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 4: you're you're looking more up versus body to body. Right,

780
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: So it's a different game, but it's still the same game.

781
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: If you're talented. You're talented.

782
00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, nothing changes. The speed isn't gonna kill.

783
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: The more athletic guards now are gonna be more dominant,

784
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: easier to get assists.

785
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: Right the way that your IQ, your vision, you're you're.

786
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: Averaging fifteen easy because if you look at the James

787
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: hard in the Westbrook, right, if they're considered ball hogs

788
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: and they're leading the league and assists, what happened to

789
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: the guys who attacked like that but passed.

790
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: Right?

791
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: Usually like Lonzo Ball is a passer, right, he's not

792
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: a shot creator.

793
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 2: Right, that's very different. You were a shot creator, so

794
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: someone who actually.

795
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: Got in the defense collapse, then you made the pass, right,

796
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: That's what James Harden does.

797
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: But he does more scoring too. Yeah, so it's like, well, dang,

798
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 2: what if.

799
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: Like John Wall really played now, he would average fifteen assists?

800
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: Because shit, I had what I think in my twenty

801
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: minutes one game with the Clippers, I had like fifteen

802
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: six fourteen SI's twenty minutes.

803
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it comes, it comes easier because everybody, everybody

805
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 4: has to stop the penetration.

806
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: Now, now you've got a lot more three point shooters.

807
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: With you, mm hmm. Just like Luca. Luca, he's creating

808
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: for people. He's going and if you help, he's finding guy.

809
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: They knock it down shots.

810
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what's saying. It makes it look like,

811
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: it makes it.

812
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 4: Look like they're doing a lot more than the past,

813
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: but it's not because if Luca had a big man,

814
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: if he had Tim Duncan, there's no pick and roll poppits.

815
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: Get him on the block, he gonna pass it, get

816
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: out of there. He goes forwards twenty five. You get

817
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: zero sists for those twenty five.

818
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: And you don't have a lob three. We don't have

819
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: a lib three. It's like I'm not throwing libs. So yeah,

820
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: you got you have guy that really posts up. Now

821
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: he's the most guy posting up on their team. So

822
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: it changes the whole dynamic of it.

823
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: I love this topic because one question I've always had

825
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: about seeing, you know, the careers of like d Rose

826
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: and Westbrook and the hurdles of like the injuries, and

827
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: you guys have haven't gone through injuries. Do you think

828
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: that is there would there be a different way you

829
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: guys would have approached your career knowing speed and like that,

830
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: the hard stops and all that. Do you think you

831
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: would approach your career differently as the guards you were

832
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: to add longevity to your career in today's game.

833
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: What I would do different is I wouldn't try to

834
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: prove that I was hurt. That's a thing we do.

835
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: We we we're not fully healthy. We want to play

836
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 4: and we want to show everybody. Look, I'm about here

837
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: hurt playing for the team, right which, at the end

838
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: of the day, if we're not one hundred percent, we're

839
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: doing ourselves at this justice because they're they're judging us

840
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 4: on one hundred percent. They don't care, like and beat

841
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: on his knee. We don't care if you out there live,

842
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: but we don't care if you're eye twitching.

843
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: Are you given thirty six and fifteen? That's it. So

844
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: for me, I would have actually got one hundred.

845
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 4: Took my time rehabing, and really attacked the rehab versus

846
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 4: trying to hurry up and get back and say I'm

847
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: all far, I need to get back to my place.

848
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: I agree that. That's one thing I always say is

849
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: like I played through bone spurs in my heell, bone

850
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: spur on my knee. Yeah, I felt like I live

851
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: by like Ai Coe, it ain't broke. I can play

852
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: through it. That's what I live by. Like you said

853
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: you want to play. I mean, like my first year,

854
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: I had a list frank je I'm like, damn, I

855
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 3: gotta come back sooner. I come back soon. I don't

856
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: score no points in the first half, I'm damn here,

857
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: limp in the whole game, and like why I'm out here. Yeah,

858
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: it's like you want to play, like you want to

859
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: prove like I'm still the person I am. But I

860
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: wish I would have did that, took time off, got

861
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. But also I think now like you

862
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: got so many guys that have trainers that we didn't

863
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: have growing up, Like I didn't have a guy that

864
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: can do weightlifting and agility work right now and all

865
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: this new technology and stuff they have. I we didn't

866
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: have that when I first came in. Like guys come

867
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: in rookie, they got their own trainer to go with

868
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: them to their team. Like I wasn't thinking about that.

869
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 4: Look, when you we got there, we was like we

870
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 4: was bought.

871
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: We was bought where you got that, we was born.

872
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: We had.

873
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: We we finally got like breakfast and a little bit

874
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 4: of lunch. Right, we had breakfast, had a little bit

875
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: of lunch. We had uh, we had drew. But we

876
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 4: also had like at least three people on the medical staff.

877
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 4: Mm hm when I first got that, No, No, we

878
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 4: didn't get We didn't get food until probably probably a

879
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 4: year and a half before you got there. Like the

880
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: first person I ever got food from as a road

881
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: team was Cleveland Lebron.

882
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: I talked about that, said when I when he was

883
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: in Miami. You know, they had the special meal that

884
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: you had here when I when he left and I

885
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: came back, I said, what did they say that? She

886
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: didn't hear no more Bron gone.

887
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 4: Likes left Lebron didn't spent the road team. When I

888
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 4: was in Cleveland, like we got a spread, I'm like, oh,

889
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: thank you, coach. Finally, It's like, nah, that's what Cleveland doing.

890
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: Damn. I was getting taken care of the whole time.

891
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 4: Listen the Clippers when you got there. The Clippers didn't

892
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: even have a practice facility. They was pregndiced at the

893
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 4: y m c A. Yes, they were pregnicing. They was

894
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 4: precticing at the y m c A. They didn't have

895
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 4: a practice facility yet, Like they got that like Blake's

896
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: third year. That's how, but that's how. That's how far

897
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: it came. Like we didn't even have a like who

898
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: was the shooting coach with you? When you got there.

899
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: You didn't have no sam Yeah it was remember because

900
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: remember it was like it was like we would be

901
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: working out and then they'd be like, all right, coaches

902
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: got film. I'm like, damn, whos gonna rebound. It's like

903
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: so now it's like you got to get another young

904
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: guy to try to rebound. You rebound for yourself. That's

905
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: that's so old you. I think I didn't get player

906
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: development toil probably my third or fourth year, Like I

907
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: think we had hired David Atkins. David Atkins because they

908
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: was trying to get Kevin Durant and he had coach

909
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: in Maryland. So David Atkins had came and be one

910
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: out and played development guys. And then we had Joe Conley, okay,

911
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: came from Baltimore. He came like that was the first

912
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: development guys we had probably my thirty fourth year. So

913
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: that now you see how far the game has changed.

914
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: Because for sure, but I'll be like this, people like

915
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: y'all ain't getting better. I'm like, well, who the hell

916
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: were getting better with? Were working ourselves out? Like unless

917
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: we find him flying our trainer in, like who is

918
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: working us out right now?

919
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: And back then they didn't allow that, right because because

920
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: like Eric and all of them, they it was a

921
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 4: clash on outside guys coming inside, right, So there was

922
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 4: this big war of development like NBA. The team wanted

923
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: so much control, like yo, I'm getting better with this dude,

924
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: bring him bring him in, pay him, he can train us,

925
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: which didn't happen back then, so I didn't really understand

926
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 4: how to work out until like I was. I was

927
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 4: fortunate after my rookie year, Chris Mullen used to be

928
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 4: in the gym working out, so he taught me how

929
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: to train as a professional.

930
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: But for the most part, there was no There was

931
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: no coaches. We rebounded ourselves. We got to do. I

932
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: was paying a high school kid.

933
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 4: I was paying a high school kid to come work

934
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 4: out with me, rebound for me. And he ended up Yeah,

935
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 4: he ended up going to Villanova and I had to

936
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: call a Villanova coach. Can he be a ball boy?

937
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 4: This is what he did for me? And he ended

938
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 4: up being a ball boy for Lowry and who was

939
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 4: about to go Randy before Alan Ra Yes.

940
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: Yes, so he was their rebounding he was the rebounding kid.

941
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: Yes. They were so strict. Even in the summer time

942
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: when I went to LA to work out, because that's

943
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: when my agent lived, Dan Fagan, they were telling me

944
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: I couldn't work out with certain guys. I'm like, what,

945
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: how y'all gonna get Joe? They hell I can work

946
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: out with I'm like, they don't like this guy. They

947
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: don't like that guy because I was lifting with gun

948
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: and Peterson at the time, and they're like, no, we

949
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: don't want you to work on him. It ain't working.

950
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: Who y'all gonna hire me to work for nobody? It's

951
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: this summertime. So it was interesting.

952
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

953
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: I was just I just I'm curs. We got both

954
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: of you guys here, and I think we can have

955
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: an honest conversation. I'd love to hear how you guys

956
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: would fix the current Wizards.

957
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: WHOA, yeah, you know what?

958
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: So funny? I went back John. When was the last

959
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: time he was there?

960
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: I went back last year when I played with the

961
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: Clippers when I had my homecoming.

962
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 4: Did you see the practice facility?

963
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: I was there. I remember I was there when they

964
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: built it.

965
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: I was there.

966
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yes, I was there. Yeah.

967
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: So I went to the practice so they had you know.

968
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: Where it's it, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but I went

969
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 4: to the practice court mm hmm, and it was it's

970
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 4: like a type it's like a vip section and that,

971
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 4: just like that irritated me as an athlete. And the

972
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 4: reason is this the practice facility is the practice facility, right, Okay?

973
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: When you come to the arena and this is where

974
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 4: we play the game at where is the court where

975
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 4: we get the warm up? It can't be the main

976
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: court because everybody's out there, So how do I actually

977
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 4: get my three hundred four hundred reps up before the game?

978
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 4: And so I'm sitting in here just like how dare they?

979
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: Like I'm offended? Like out there they how do you

980
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: get better before the game? Or you had a bad

981
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: game and you want to sit in the gym and

982
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 4: get the shots up and go to the small gym

983
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: and get your one hundred and two hundred? Why do

984
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: I gotta go all the way to the practice facility.

985
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 4: So there was like these little things that it's just like.

986
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: I will fit not that, And like you gotta get

987
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: there in the game at seven. They want you to

988
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: get there two or three to get your three hundred

989
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: fo hundred shots up. That's the only time you're gonna

990
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: be able to get him up. Facts you gotta get

991
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: there really early because I was like sometimes out before

992
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 3: I went on the main court because you know, he's

993
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: always somebody else shooting the same time you shoot, So

994
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, he fucking up my rhythm. I'm shooting

995
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: the ball, hitting the ball. So I would go down

996
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: there and work out sometimes like get reps up. But

997
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: like once they start changing, I'm like, up, that's over.

998
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have happen.

999
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 4: That would have happened when I was over there, Like yeah,

1000
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 4: y'all got to put them somewhere else.

1001
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: Y'all got to put them somewhere else. You know.

1002
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: The problem. The crazy part was they did that during

1003
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: the summertime, so when we came into season, when we

1004
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: started going to preseason game going over there, it was

1005
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: already done. Like you open the door and go down

1006
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: the steat like, oh ship, never mind, oh wow. It's

1007
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: like everybody was down there, like but uh. They got

1008
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: a new front office though, so like for them, really,

1009
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: I think they got to figure out who's going to

1010
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: be their franchise guy, you know what I mean. Like

1011
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: when you get a new front office, they got to

1012
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: make the changes of what they want to do with

1013
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: coaches and all that, But they got to find out

1014
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: the franchise gut and find the foundation and how to

1015
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: build around him. That's the key for them.

1016
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and right now they don't they don't have one.

1017
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 4: I mean, Kusma's their their best the best player right now,

1018
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: but on a really good team that was off third

1019
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 4: fourth option, you know, as of right now. So right

1020
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 4: now it's it's one of those things is they have

1021
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 4: to be careful because he is the lead dog, and

1022
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: at some point when his contract's up, he's gonna be

1023
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 4: looking for big money and you're not gonna be able

1024
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 4: to pay him if you're looking for your franchise and

1025
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 4: his batman because right now he's not he's not he's

1026
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: not robbing. He can be robbing until you find a

1027
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: real Robin He's really you're that third guy that you're like,

1028
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: he's not the he's a better Tobias Harris, you know

1029
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: what I mean. But you do need a Maxie and

1030
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: a and a Embeed, you know, to get over there

1031
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: to really build your team with.

1032
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: So will be a great six man for them if

1033
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: they end up keeping him. I think he'd be a

1034
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: great six man for them. Yeah, But like he's paid

1035
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 3: so much, he's like, I want to be the guy,

1036
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: and I think he realized. I think he realized early on,

1037
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: like it's a lot different when you don't have Stephan

1038
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: Klay and those guys over there, and you are the

1039
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: main priority that everybody's locking in on.

1040
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and his game, his game, his game at number

1041
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: on one option, his game main number two options. You know,

1042
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 4: he has such a flashy style of I need to

1043
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: be a highlight every time I play when number one

1044
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: and number two options. Majority of these points is simple basketball.

1045
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 4: The flash is like open court flash, right, or just

1046
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 4: an instinct move. But for the most part, I'm just

1047
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 4: trying to get to the spot. Get this bucket, get

1048
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: the two. You score twenty all those ten buckets can't

1049
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 4: be sports center type of right, that's where.

1050
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: When you come for sure, we're not at Rocking Park

1051
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: right now, Every dribble like god, and that's what you're

1052
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: tying yourself out by time you make the four baskets, got.

1053
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: No three spins under, So.

1054
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got you got two dynamic young balls. Your daughter,

1055
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: I mean she just had her singing night and she

1056
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: committed Louisville and then you have your son has shown that.

1057
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: So how do you keep them well grounded and motivate

1058
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: them to want to get to the work after they

1059
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 3: have that you have and to be special at this sport.

1060
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: Knowing they live have your last name, they got a

1061
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: lot to live up to. I know that can be pressure,

1062
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: and how do you handle it all? That one time.

1063
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I do a lot of like sending

1064
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: them other people.

1065
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 4: Right, there's only so much I can say right before,

1066
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 4: like I watched other kids that are paying it. You

1067
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 4: get tuned out, right, So I'll show them a lot

1068
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 4: of people's clips and them working out and how they're

1069
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: working out. Right, And then it's like, you don't want

1070
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 4: to be this type of person. Right, they're looking back saying, dann,

1071
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 4: I wish I would have did some more, right, You

1072
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 4: don't want to be a trainer when you're done. Meaning

1073
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 4: he learned to be great once he realized he couldn't

1074
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 4: be a basketball player.

1075
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: Anymore once he didn't take So your trainer is a guy.

1076
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 4: These moves you have or he's teaching you, he never

1077
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,240
Speaker 4: actually used them because he learned them once he was done,

1078
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 4: and like, damn, I missed it. So let me train

1079
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: the next generation. You don't want to be that dude.

1080
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 4: You want to really say, all right, this is what

1081
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: I want. I had to tell my kids the other day.

1082
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 4: I said, listen, give me five things you want to do,

1083
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: write the NBA whatever. After you write them down, give

1084
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 4: me five sacrifices you are willing to give me to

1085
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: get there. They still haven't figured out the sacrifices yet.

1086
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: And I was about to ask me they probably still

1087
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: trying to figure that part.

1088
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 4: Out because I told them you can't. You were not

1089
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: get to this if you are not sacrificing for this.

1090
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 4: I said, right now, you guys sit, y'all can still

1091
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: watch TV for eight hours, call it, be on your

1092
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: phone with your girlfriend and nah, that don't exist, I

1093
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 4: said you. I said, right now, I'm forty two. You

1094
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: can't out shoot me. Every morning, I said, I wake

1095
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 4: up five thirty before I take y'all the school. Before

1096
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 4: I wake you up, I've already got my shots up.

1097
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 4: If me, I said, if me and you were trying

1098
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,479
Speaker 4: to make it to the NBA, don you cannot get

1099
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 4: past me. I said, when you fall in love with it,

1100
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 4: you will understand me. Right now, right now, you're just gifted,

1101
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: and you have me as a trainer. I said, that's

1102
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 4: your benefit. You have me as your trainer right to

1103
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: wake you up and do this. But I shouldn't wake you.

1104
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 4: You should be waking me up. When you start waking

1105
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 4: me up, I know you love it right now. You

1106
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: just like the sport. Right so my daughter works out more.

1107
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 4: My son works out harder. Right when he do lock in,

1108
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 4: he's locked in, right, So I don't have to, like

1109
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 4: like with my girl, with my daughter, I have to

1110
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 4: micromanage the workout, like come on, dog, come on man,

1111
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna be here. There ain't how many water breaks

1112
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 4: we need. He's trying to be a professional water drinker.

1113
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 4: The only time you drink waters when you're on a bench.

1114
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: So I mean you perfected that for sure, being on

1115
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 4: the bench. You know how to drink some water. Right,

1116
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: my son, I can give him a program. He gonna

1117
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: look at the program and he gonna work it.

1118
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: So he's de know. I've seen, yeah what he had

1119
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: like fifty three or fifty two to get to the

1120
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: state championship game, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1121
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: I'll be watching. I was like when I started seeing

1122
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: him windmill, I'm like, what the hell?

1123
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he about six seven, so he's six seven long,

1124
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: Like like he hurt his foot, right, he got a

1125
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 4: just a regular ass ankle, spring ankle.

1126
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: Swoll too much.

1127
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 4: And I told him, I said, hey, you better take

1128
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 4: care of this. If you don't take care of it,

1129
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 4: you're gonna miss the USA, right, and you're gonna miss

1130
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 4: you the rest of your summer, right or with your

1131
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 4: uh your traveling team. He thought, I was playing. It's

1132
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 4: been about a month now. His mother put him in

1133
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 4: a boot now, I mean not put him in.

1134
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: The boot, put him in a cast.

1135
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 4: And I said, hey, you wear a cash You're gonna

1136
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 4: lose your caf must on all this for two weeks.

1137
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 4: The man cut it off. He got so paranoid. Cut

1138
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 4: the cut the boot off, I mean, cut the what's

1139
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 4: the names and put the boot on. Now he locked

1140
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: in to get that's swelling out, and I said, yeah, man,

1141
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: I said, yo, when I tell you something, just understand

1142
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you it, and then you're gonna have

1143
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: to learn for yourself.

1144
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

1145
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to learn for yourself because at the

1146
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: end of the.

1147
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: Day, I did it.

1148
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: I can't protect you from it.

1149
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 4: I'm trying to give you the straighten their like, these

1150
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: are the things, these are the pitfalls. But some of

1151
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 4: them holes you got to fall in and understand what

1152
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: I'm talking about.

1153
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't. You ain't there yet. You're right now.

1154
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 2: They got the little hooping they're playing.

1155
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: It's it's I'm as five and through that. He oh,

1156
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: his love sockey. He got his last sock game tomorrow,

1157
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: so oh that's that's perfect ya. But I'm just like

1158
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: for me, like you said, like, I'm not forcing him

1159
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,479
Speaker 3: to do anything, you know what I mean, Like, whatever

1160
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: you tell me you want to do, figure out you

1161
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: want to play all these sports. I'm signing you up

1162
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: for him. Let you fall in love with what you

1163
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: fall in love with. But every day he like, man

1164
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: with the training, he's not coming today, will take me

1165
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: outside of thirty minutes. I'm like, okay, keep the same

1166
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: ship up. Yeah, cause I come here and just chill

1167
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: and watch me some shows.

1168
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 4: But when you start, when you start training him, and

1169
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: you really start like diving in, understand you can't be

1170
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 4: a You can't be the coach and the parent. Yeah

1171
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 4: don't don't don't be both at the same time. Right,

1172
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: You have to really understand that is going to be

1173
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: the biggest thing for you. Understanding the trainer is when

1174
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 4: he's not playing, you're training him, right, That means you

1175
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 4: get to do all of yelling.

1176
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: When the training's over, the father kicks.

1177
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 4: In, Yep, he ain't no more trainer. Finally, what you

1178
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 4: want to eat, what you want to do when you

1179
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 4: watching the game, you watching it as the parent. Enjoy

1180
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 4: the moment.

1181
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: That's how it be a gonna lie. I got so

1182
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: many videos. I'm running down the sideline. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1183
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: my son is playing the air Sposure kids. The other

1184
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: week he was like, which one your kid? He's all

1185
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: that money. He's the fastest one. I I can tell,

1186
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: like right now he just kicked the ball. He take

1187
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 3: off fast. Everybody.

1188
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll do no yelling. I'll do no yelling out.

1189
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: At the game.

1190
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm just real.

1191
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: I just tell them, have fun, have fun. You ain't

1192
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: score every every week, but have fun.

1193
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1194
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: Right now he's scoring two three goals a week. I'm like, ship,

1195
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: Oh do you get this? Ship? Don't work like this

1196
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: is sock basketball. You can score a lot sockey might

1197
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 3: not score in the game. So I'm gonna take him

1198
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: to MESSI game tomorrow so he'll be excited for his

1199
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: first game.

1200
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 2: Yeah that Gil.

1201
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: Are you playing ones? Are you playing ones against Elijah?

1202
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1203
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and you're are you still winning them?

1204
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 4: Or because it's one dribble, one drible two dribble. He

1205
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 4: got me one drible one dribble. I can not just

1206
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: pump fake do all this, do all that. Then if

1207
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 4: I miss it foul, you know I'm cheating.

1208
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: Still he we had this debate my homeboys, like three dribbles,

1209
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, people want to play one

1210
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: on one. I'm not playing ten three dribbles, Max Man

1211
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: like three dribbles. Nobody about to be running around chasing you.

1212
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: Dribbles, two dribbles, one drill. That's what I do.

1213
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 4: Like three dribbles, two dribbles, one dribble, and then we

1214
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: play no dribbles where you have to be creative.

1215
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: You have to get creative with it.

1216
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: He's so creative that I have to like make him

1217
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 4: play simple basketball, like he like he'd be Jordan Poole

1218
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 4: if you let him. Like he wanna, he wanna, he

1219
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 4: want the triple team, like he want to play through

1220
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 4: triple teams and stuff like that.

1221
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: And I'm like and I and I'd be telling him, like,

1222
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: do not get bored scoring baskets.

1223
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: Hm Like, so I'll be like when we do when

1224
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 4: we do drills, it's a hundred mates and I count.

1225
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: I count.

1226
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, one to pull up, right, just

1227
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 4: one to pull up, and I'm just counting to see

1228
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: how many reps before his brain decides he want to add.

1229
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: A little bit of his own little flavor to it.

1230
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 4: Side step and I'm like, yo, simple stop. I don't

1231
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 4: care how bored you are. You should never be bored

1232
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 4: with scoring a bucket.

1233
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 2: Like you don't.

1234
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: That's why they always say you should never get tired

1235
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 3: to make it. You ain't tie you making shots.

1236
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: I'm not tired of making a lay Look if you

1237
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: can't stop to get into the basket, I'm not stopping

1238
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 4: myself by doing a double step back.

1239
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep getting it. Lay up, lay up, shoot it,

1240
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: shoot it, lay up, lay up.

1241
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 3: I was in high schol I said, are you shooting ship?

1242
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: You can't stop me getting too the real well, waste

1243
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: my time for like no.

1244
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: Right, I'll let you know what. I'm tired of scoring

1245
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 4: that that that lay up when you're sitting under the

1246
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: basket trying to block me.

1247
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: All right, and I do a floater. But I'm not

1248
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: gonna just settle because you want me to. Yeah, nah,

1249
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: that's not how we do this.

1250
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: So off top of that last night game, six is

1251
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: paces Bucks and sixers Nicks. Have you think the playoffs

1252
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: have been going on? This first round?

1253
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 4: First round? There's no real, real true upset. But there's

1254
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 4: there's no real upset the Orlando cams that can go

1255
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 4: that could have win it either way.

1256
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, either way, Miami.

1257
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: I didn't think they were gonna be get beat by

1258
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: twenty every game. I didn't know that. Like I was like, oh,

1259
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 4: I thought you was gonna have a little bit more

1260
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 4: fight in you. I'm not surprised by the Knicks because

1261
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 4: mb was hurt. I didn't think I really didn't think

1262
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: he was gonna I didn't really think he was gonna

1263
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 4: last all the games. And that was one thing. I

1264
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 4: didn't think he was gonna last of all the game.

1265
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 4: So that isn't surprising Pacers Bucks. When Giannis went down.

1266
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: There was really no chance. I'm not even gonna lie

1267
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 2: to you, I didn't really.

1268
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: What's the like that type of player that can change

1269
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: the whole series and would be the best player in

1270
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: that series, changes the whole dynamic of it.

1271
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially since like Doc didn't like really put in

1272
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: his his flavor into the offense. I didn't see them

1273
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: getting out of that. And then like even with even

1274
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 4: with whoever one between the Knicks and Philly, that's they're

1275
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 4: going to the Eastern Conference.

1276
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: Finals interesting. You don't get Pacers a chance against against

1277
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 2: New York.

1278
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because only way they have a change has to

1279
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: play out his mind.

1280
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 4: And the sad part is and Bleed and Beat and

1281
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 4: Maxie played out of their minds. Two stars played out

1282
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 4: of their minds and they didn't win that series. So

1283
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: a gonna have a sixty. You had two dudes averaging fifty.

1284
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had two dudes averaging fifty and lost that series.

1285
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 4: So if they're gonna try to out outspeed, they're gonna

1286
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 4: try to outspeed New York.

1287
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: New York want to play that. They can play that style.

1288
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 4: You know, they like teams like half court basketball because

1289
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 4: that benefits Brunton, but they can go up and down

1290
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: with you.

1291
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1292
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 4: The only thing that benefits Pacers is Tims play only

1293
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: seven and those two off the bitch only played about

1294
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 4: ten to fifteen minutes. So he's he's gonna play two

1295
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: people at he's forty forty five plus.

1296
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: If you can get them, if you can get.

1297
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 4: New York playing seven games like that, you can probably

1298
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 4: sneak that series from them.

1299
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're gonna get tired of They're gonna get

1300
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: tired at some point because the pace is going about

1301
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: ten deep eleven games.

1302
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Gil staying on playoffs. But going back to

1303
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: your career O six playoff series against Lebron, can you

1304
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: talk about what it was like playing against Lebron early

1305
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: Lebron three years in Lebron in the playoffs.

1306
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: Okay, so we was more talented them, hands down, hands

1307
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 4: down the.

1308
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: We was the better team.

1309
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: What we didn't realize until after the series how smart

1310
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 4: he was as a player, right, understanding what people are

1311
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 4: finding out now, like he remembers everything right. Didn't know

1312
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: he had that motor mentally then, right, So watching like

1313
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 4: little signals like I'm watching again, like how do we

1314
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 4: losing them? Like and I'm watching like little signals and

1315
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 4: biting his nails, like giving little signals to the coach

1316
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 4: like take this player out, right, take your galsks out,

1317
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 4: and then we take a gals cas out, Like, well,

1318
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 4: what do we need him for? Like a gals is out.

1319
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 4: We take Brendan. Now we went small. He drove the

1320
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 4: basketball him and Larry attacked, attacked, attacked, and he was

1321
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 4: playing decoy at the beginning of the game and then

1322
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 4: turned into mister James and and that's what ended up happening.

1323
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: He was just out smartened us and we didn't pick

1324
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: up on it. But him.

1325
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 4: We tried everything. I'm not even gonna lie. All right,

1326
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 4: We're just gonna make him a passer. Right, he passed

1327
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 4: and scored. Still right, all right, we're gonna we just

1328
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 4: gonna let him score and we're not gonna help.

1329
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: He scored and still passed.

1330
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1331
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 4: But it was that he was like the first group

1332
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 4: of teams the realized he was.

1333
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: He was really unselfish.

1334
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 4: No matter if you left this guy open, he was

1335
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 4: going to pass it to that guy, right, he will.

1336
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 4: He will, like we're loading up for the Kobe Bryant mentality, Like,

1337
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: all right, he pass it to him. He passed it like, oh,

1338
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 4: we didn't really think you were going to pass it there.

1339
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 4: And he made the He made the right players right,

1340
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 4: And a lot of people back then, if you was

1341
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 4: a superstar, you made the play for you.

1342
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:38,959
Speaker 2: You didn't.

1343
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: You didn't make the magic Johnson play. You didn't make

1344
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 4: the this is the right play. He was making the

1345
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 4: right play in that series.

1346
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: Okay, how about you? How about you in game six

1347
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: you hit that that DP three. What was going through

1348
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: your mind when you took that shot. Oh.

1349
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: I was already I was already talking trash. Oh now

1350
01:02:59,000 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: how about you?

1351
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 4: Was all yeah, but she was all like, I'm telling yo, hey,

1352
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 4: I'm hitting this three. So I don't whoever's on me

1353
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 4: is on sports Center right, whoever's on I'm talking to Larry.

1354
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 4: Whoever's on me is a sports center today, right, And

1355
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 4: you know I'm both talking trash. And then I set

1356
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 4: the pick and it got messed up on the on

1357
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 4: the switch and then it was a flip murray that

1358
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 4: that popped out. But I was already in motion right

1359
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 4: to hit. It went to overtime, and then overtime I

1360
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 4: gassed out, gassed out, went to that free throw, went

1361
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 4: to that free throw line. To be honest, when I

1362
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 4: watched the free throws back, I don't know what happened.

1363
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 4: I didn't even I heard what he said, but I didn't.

1364
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: None of it matter. We're up one game over, and

1365
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 4: my mind just went blanked. Like even when you look

1366
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 4: at the mix the missus, you're like, whoa, Like are.

1367
01:03:59,080 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 2: You fixing the game?

1368
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 4: I like, going up, it was like did the rim

1369
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 4: just move? Like it was one of those where after

1370
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 4: I missed it, we lost the only thing that popped

1371
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 4: in my head. Was Nick Anderson in the in the

1372
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 4: Orlando series missing the free throws, and I said, I

1373
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 4: cannot beat him. My career cannot be these free throws.

1374
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 4: And I think about this every time. So I heard

1375
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 4: Kobe was dealing with a dude that was black ops

1376
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 4: for his mental right, keeping him mentally strong. Called the

1377
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 4: dude went down to San Francisco and was training with him. Yeah,

1378
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 4: for some free throws. I had to go.

1379
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: They mentally locked it, and they mentally locked in. Yeah

1380
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 3: what Yeah, for sure, it is for sure. It is

1381
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: what you're thinking about the growth of the that the

1382
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: w BNBA right now, like the way it's going.

1383
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's I think it's great,

1384
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 4: uh for the game. You know, they could have had

1385
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 4: this growth ten years ago, right, they could have had

1386
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 4: it with Cannas Parker. They could have had it with

1387
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 4: Tarassie when she first came in, you know. So, uh,

1388
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 4: they could have had it with the Sabrina. With all that,

1389
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 4: I think they they're they're missing the moments right when

1390
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 4: those moments and those players come in, you have to

1391
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 4: strike right right now, they have a moment, right, they

1392
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 4: have three of the five, so that that that twenty

1393
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 4: twenty class or four the twenty twenty class, there's one

1394
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 4: that's still playing. Four came into the draft. Yeah, page

1395
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 4: Backer stayed back. This is when they should do a

1396
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 4: one and done rule. Now do it now? Why Juju's there?

1397
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: Why bet?

1398
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 4: Why you still have some momentum right now? You have

1399
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 4: the Olympics coming up. I heard they had a statement.

1400
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: The statement said, you know, we're gonna use her training

1401
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 4: camp as her tryout. You know, it's not fair to

1402
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 4: some of the girls as fair, fair goes out of

1403
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 4: the window. This is about survival. This is about your future.

1404
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 4: This is about the w NBA brand. If she's not

1405
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 4: on that team, no one's watching you one. It's a

1406
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 4: big time different. No one watches anyway. If she's there,

1407
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 4: all of college basketball, all of her fans are watching them,

1408
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 4: the USA games because of her. Those jerseys that's gonna

1409
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 4: be sold. She is gonna compete. Her jersey is gonna

1410
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 4: compete with some of the men. If she's not on there.

1411
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: The only jersey is not going to be being sold

1412
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 4: is Fever. So it's up to you, guys, the Olympics.

1413
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 4: If you have her, that boosts you guys up if

1414
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 4: you don't fever. So if you missed this moment, it

1415
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 4: only it only hurts you. You need to milk this

1416
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 4: like NBA milk Michael Jordan, like they made Magic and

1417
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 4: when when it When Magic and Bird came on, they

1418
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 4: played to it Magic and Bird the first two television

1419
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 4: the first TV games, Boston Lakers, Boston Lakers. They took

1420
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 4: that college rivalry and milked it in the NBA, intil

1421
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 4: Jordan came, Damn, you have to Yeah, you know you

1422
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 4: have to. That's what you have to do. Marquee matchups

1423
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 4: is her versus. It'd be Sky because Reese is over there.

1424
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 2: So you use that. You use that matchup.

1425
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 4: And then Tarassie said something, you use that matchup And

1426
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 4: these these are how you build.

1427
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: You have to build rivalries. The w NBA don't have

1428
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: them yet.

1429
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,959
Speaker 4: Hervis Sabrina, I don't give I don't hey make fake

1430
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 4: pages and have them talk.

1431
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 3: Trash at each other. Do something right, make it, make.

1432
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 4: It the rivalry. So we want male fans need rivals.

1433
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 4: We need a bad guy and we need a good guy.

1434
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 4: We need someone to root for. And that's what the

1435
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 4: sport don't have. They they're thinking like family friendly rival

1436
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,919
Speaker 4: where that Lebron versus Curry wear that.

1437
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 3: That's why people couldn't wait till to where LSU played

1438
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 3: the Ayowa last year after they lost in that championship.

1439
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 3: They couldn't wait for that game again. Facts, they should

1440
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 3: have made won in the regular season. I mean, like

1441
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 3: you said, you just said, like having those type of

1442
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 3: rivals you got, you should have made one in a

1443
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 3: regular season. It would have made everybody tune in.

1444
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 4: I would have made I would have put it in.

1445
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 4: I would have put it in Iowa. I would put

1446
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 4: it in Ayowa at the biggest arena we can get.

1447
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: They should have played. They should have played at the

1448
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: Football feel like they did at one of their game.

1449
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 3: They they sold out the football arena. They should have

1450
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 3: put the LSU game there. I would have put it

1451
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 3: back to back, That's what I's saying. But that's I

1452
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 3: would have put it back to back. I would have

1453
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 3: had there and then at LSU. Yeah, now you may

1454
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 3: saything right with that's what we want to see though,

1455
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 3: that's like it's like a you you talk chash okay,

1456
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: you're trying to duck this tournament, all right?

1457
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,560
Speaker 2: We mean here, yeah, but I don't know who's the

1458
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: marketing behind them.

1459
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 4: But just just watch watch rap, watch reality TV and

1460
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 4: take these storylines, take the storylines and implement them into

1461
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 4: your league to make it exciting. That's the viewership for

1462
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 4: you know reality TV is it take those storylines and

1463
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 4: put them in You know what reality did?

1464
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 2: They used to take the storylines from shows back in

1465
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: the eighties. Nope, they knew that.

1466
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 4: Like I love Lucy episodes and stuff like that. They

1467
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 4: were taking those episodes and making them put him, put

1468
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 4: him in reality TV.

1469
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: That's that's interesting, all right. Like you said, you gotta

1470
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 3: have stories. Though, you gotta have stories YouTube.

1471
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: You gotta unbanned Gil here, this is crazy.

1472
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah I got I got like two more days.

1473
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 3: You had like a week? Yeah, like a week.

1474
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: Band, Yeah, I've been banned for a week.

1475
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 4: But but because it's ESPN, all I do is just

1476
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 4: uh foul as a copyright uh counter Like, I don't

1477
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 4: think this is part of the copyright, and copyright is

1478
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 4: for court.

1479
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 2: ESPN ain't taking nobody to court. So in ten days

1480
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: the strike comes off.

1481
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well, deb appreciate you, Gil. Check out

1482
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: Gil's arena, and then all of your channel's going right now,

1483
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: we'll be back on Point Game with Me and John,

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01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,480
Speaker 1: presented by DraftKings.

1485
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, appreciate it you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I got the maps in the series, Okay. I love

1501
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: the thunderd I love the way they coaches being coaching

1502
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 3: those young guys. I love the way Shay has been

1503
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 3: a great leader for those guys. And you just get

1504
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 3: those guys to play the Levy party and think they're

1505
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 3: a super young team if you connected as they are

1506
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 3: and play the way they are their special group. I

1507
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: just think it's not their time yet. I could be wrong.

1508
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: I take the maps in this series just because high

1509
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 3: dominant Luca and Kaye is you know what I mean,

1510
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 3: Like Kyle the other day two points a half, go

1511
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 3: get twenty eight in the second half of any moment.

1512
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 3: And I just like the role pieces they added to

1513
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 3: their team, you know, I mean, giving them a lob

1514
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: threat when you got Luca that's being able to get

1515
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 3: into the pain and cod. So I take the maps

1516
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: in this one.

1517
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 1: Who would you say is so it's a break, But

1518
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: who would you say is the best player in this

1519
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: series between all those guys that you just mentioned.

1520
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 3: The best player?

1521
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: Yeah you got Kyle Luka.

1522
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah it's tough. Yeah, you got two guys that should

1523
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 3: be top five in the league right now if I'm

1524
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 3: not mistaken, between Luca and Shape for sure. And I

1525
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: just feel like Kyle is the most skilled basketball player.

1526
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean, to be the size,

1527
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 3: he had, the score at will, every shot, floaters, post up,

1528
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 3: mid range, threes off the dribble layup package. It's a

1529
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: tough one. I would say Shave. I would say Shae

1530
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: is probably the best player, But I think the MAVs

1531
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 3: have two players that could be top five or top

1532
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 3: ten league at any point. And I think that just

1533
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 3: gets some over the hump because the young guy Jaalen

1534
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 3: Wiams is coming into his own, very talented, coming into

1535
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: his own check, very talented, coming to his own. I

1536
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,799
Speaker 3: just think those two guys and then Kyle having experience,

1537
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 3: has been there before, like being to the championship before,

1538
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: I know what it takes to win it. And I

1539
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 3: think that gets some over the hump.

1540
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1541
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen so many of these series and

1542
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: games come down to that last two minutes, and who

1543
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: have we seen hit game winners. I mean, Kyle probably

1544
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: hit one of the craziest, most important shots of the

1545
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: last ten years. So yeah, I like it.

1546
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 3: Sure that shot in the twenty sixteen finals is probably

1547
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 3: the biggest shot in finals probably, Yeah, you know what

1548
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 3: I mean. But all through those guys got a lot

1549
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: of game winners. I mean, Shae got a lot, Luca

1550
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 3: has some, you know, Kai has he, So I think

1551
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 3: it should be a fine series, a great battle. Yeah,

1552
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 3: oh she just got to wait and see.

1553
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, next one, here's a guy that actually

1554
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: I forgot about. I don't know how, but Donovan Mitchell.

1555
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: You know, they closed out had an incredible game in

1556
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: Game seven last night against the Magic. So Bucker to Brick,

1557
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell will be on the Calves next season.

1558
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 3: I say, Brick, I think the only way he'd be

1559
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 3: on the Calve if they go win the championship or

1560
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 3: make it to the finals. Yeah, I mean, I think

1561
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 3: next year is gonna be tough, if even tougher. I

1562
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 3: thought it was gonna be. It could have been a

1563
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 3: good series with Jared Allen being there. But if he

1564
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 3: can't play early on, I think he could be tough

1565
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: for one.

1566
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Well, because he had that quote, I

1567
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: think it was it came out that he wouldn't return

1568
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: to the Caves unless they made the finals. But say

1569
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: they make the conference finals, you know, with the Calves,

1570
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I can't really think of another

1571
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: destination that would be a better situation for him. So

1572
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: we put yourself in issues. Why would you want to

1573
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: go to another team even if you didn't make it

1574
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: to the finals.

1575
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 3: One maybe because which I don't know. I'm just speaking

1576
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 3: from my mindset a point of view of it. One

1577
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: maybe that getting traded to the Cast probably wasn't his

1578
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 3: number one destination. Yeah, but you're in the contract, you

1579
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 3: show up and be a pro, you do your work.

1580
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 3: I think that's one. Two do they feel like you

1581
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 3: have enough pieces to go win win it all? Or

1582
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 3: do we have enough access to or trade values or

1583
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 3: anything or picks to go get somebody to make our

1584
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 3: team deeper better? That three? Do you want to be

1585
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: anywhere else? And there is the other teams on your

1586
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 3: radar that you want to be and play yet, So

1587
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 3: that's how it all comes down to a trick effect,

1588
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I got a couple of teams

1589
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: in my mind know that probably would be good for them,

1590
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: But hey, it's not my decision. It's not my job

1591
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 3: to figure out where he wants to go. Is whatever

1592
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 3: he think his best him, whatever make him happy. But

1593
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 3: in the day, you got to respect the way he's

1594
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 3: going out there and competing. Yeah, and still represent the

1595
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 3: city of Cleveland, the team playing for and respecting his

1596
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 3: teammates and coaching staff.

1597
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1598
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: Great comeback last night I think it was the biggest.

1599
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: They were down eighteen and a half.

1600
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, they was down now, they was down seventeen early

1601
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 3: on in the game. They cut it to ten and

1602
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 3: a half. Oh, cut it to ten and a half.

1603
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 3: And then they scored thirty three and the Magic only

1604
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 3: had fifteen in the third quarter, so they took over

1605
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 3: the advantage dere and didn't how to close it out

1606
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 3: down the stretch. But give a big shout out to

1607
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: the landa Magic. They had a hell of a series,

1608
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 3: and shout out to Apollo being care for sure, like

1609
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 3: to be young, to be in that moment, to want

1610
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 3: to take those big shots. That young of an age,

1611
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 3: second year in the league as very special and he

1612
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 3: has a very bright future.

1613
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: Hit him, Okay, next one. So there are talks of

1614
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: NBA leaving TNT, leaving Turner and going to NBC, so

1615
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: that people are now talking about the fate of Inside

1616
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: the NBA. So as a basketball fan, I know you

1617
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: watched nightly games, would you say Inside the NBA is

1618
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: the greatest sports show in history?

1619
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, growing up you always wanted to see that,

1620
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, spectacle it was lit, but ah,

1621
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 3: it's top Brokens with those four guys that'll be on

1622
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 3: tm T bro are hilarious. Yeah, they are funny. So

1623
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 3: you know, I would love to see those guys stay

1624
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 3: together and not break it up because he got Shock

1625
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 3: and Charles. They being best friends and always arguing. You

1626
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 3: got Kennedy, Kenny, you know what I mean, he got Arnie.

1627
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 3: Those guys do a hell of a job, man. They

1628
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 3: make even if you don't like basketball, you will turn

1629
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 3: on that after the game is over a halftime just

1630
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 3: to see them do comedy. Yeah, I mean running to

1631
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 3: the board to make racist Gary indeed Chuck doing that,

1632
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It'd be super exciting. It'd

1633
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 3: be fun. So we never see but like either one.

1634
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 3: I think they'll be fine with either one. But hopefully

1635
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 3: those guys can stay together.

1636
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah major bucket. All right, next one, So tomorrow or today,

1637
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 1: the defensive Player of the Year is going to be announced.

1638
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask you, Bucket or break go Bear.

1639
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert will be this season's defensive player of the Year.

1640
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 3: I say, Bucket. I think they will give it to

1641
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: him just because of us, his his history, and them

1642
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 3: having a number one defense in the league. Yeah, I

1643
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 3: think he will get it.

1644
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: Do you think he deserves it or do you think

1645
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: that's the right that's the right person to begin at this.

1646
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 3: In my opinion, to me, Bam be just because he

1647
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 3: can guard so many positions and I don't think he

1648
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 3: gets a lot of credit. You gotta look at it, bro,

1649
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 3: even though they still lost a series. I think Game two,

1650
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 3: Day one, the second half, he guarded Jason Tatum, like

1651
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: not switching on Jason Tatum. He's guarding Jason Tatum, running

1652
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 3: off pinned downs, getting through screens, like being able to

1653
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 3: be that versus the man to guard guard centers got

1654
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 3: to be special. I mean, I think women probably would

1655
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 3: have won it if he was not his rookie year

1656
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 3: because the numbers was insane. Yeah, but uh I think

1657
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 3: I in me my opinion, I would have given it

1658
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 3: a Bam man. I think it's just tough because Ad

1659
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 3: does the same thing, you know what I mean, he

1660
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 3: can guard multiposition. I think he never gets his credit.

1661
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 3: So a shout out of Ad. I think he should

1662
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: have been one of the finalists. But for me, my

1663
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: choice for Divins by the Year, I would have took

1664
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: Bam about you for sure?

1665
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 1: Nice Okay, shout out Kentucky. Right there. Okay, finally bucket

1666
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: or brick. Paul George will be on the Clippers next season,

1667
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: got a player option.

1668
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 3: But I know we want to see this is a

1669
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 3: spicy bucket of brick today. I love it to me,

1670
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 3: I say bricks. Why I say brick? I know Paul

1671
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: loves La, loves La, want to be in La. I

1672
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 3: know they want to run it back for sure, you

1673
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Then you got to bring all

1674
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 3: those guys, all those La guys, James Russ, pg Kawhi.

1675
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 3: I think you have to bring all those to the

1676
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 3: new arena they have, you know what I mean. But

1677
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 3: I feel like at the same time is and I

1678
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: know Pete don't play the game for the money. Let

1679
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 3: me play the game because he loved it. He could

1680
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 3: piece at high level, put the work in. I've seen

1681
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 3: it front Frank Center. But you also want their security.

1682
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 3: I mean, you want that blanket to feel like right,

1683
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 3: because you know, we never know. Injuries can't happen any

1684
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 3: moment some then medical wise, health wise can happen. You

1685
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 3: can't play no more. You just want that security, that blanket.

1686
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: I think he might opt in, but the way he

1687
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 3: played this year played a lot of games, played a

1688
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 3: hell of a year. All Star, probably be All NBA.

1689
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 3: He's up for extension and maxistension. I think he probably

1690
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 3: wants to, you know. I mean, Kawhi got it, which

1691
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 3: was deserving. So played the most games he played in

1692
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: a couple of years, and we've seen what he can

1693
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 3: do when he's healthy. It just sucks he had to

1694
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 3: deal with injuries again going to the playoffs. So that's

1695
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 3: my choice. I don't I don't see Pete being back there,

1696
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 3: but I know he would love to be back there

1697
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: and stay in LA.

1698
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: Can you sum up the Clippers situation right now? Where

1699
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: you know they got these four future Hall of famers there.

1700
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: You know, this might just be a big thing for

1701
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: me because I live in LA. You've lived in LA

1702
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: and they got that new arena.

1703
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 2: How how hard of.

1704
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: A different, difficult situation are they in to make sure

1705
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: that team is right going into a new arena and

1706
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 1: maybe not being able to find as good of like

1707
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: a four you know, super team I guess put together.

1708
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 3: On to compete. Like I said, all those guys been

1709
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 3: from the West Coast. Being out there in LA. I

1710
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: feel like that's one of the reasons Bamber made the move,

1711
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 3: you know, I mean to get those guys there, and

1712
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 3: then Russ had a hell of a little last year

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Speaker 3: for them when KAWHD and PG didn't play in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: He was playing like the old Rust when he was

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Speaker 3: back in Okay. So he just putting up big numbers

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Speaker 3: giving him a chance to fight every night. So you

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Speaker 3: me him. And that's one thing I'll give a shout

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Speaker 3: out to Russe and give him credit for, because the

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Speaker 3: biggest thing we deal with his players that's been superstars

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Speaker 3: or being stars in this league or have built the

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Speaker 3: name for ourselves, is they feel like we can't accept

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Speaker 3: the road. I mean, and look at him. He's probably

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Speaker 3: on a couple of teams in this league he'ld be

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Speaker 3: starting or at least playing thirty thirty five minutes, but

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Speaker 3: some games it doesn't work out for him that way.

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Speaker 3: And he's been a true professional about it, a great

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Speaker 3: role player, excepting any role. He wants for the team

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Speaker 3: to win. And I've seen him put it on the

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Speaker 3: IG story like everybody's saying the narrative bodyment about this,

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Speaker 3: and like you said, I just want to compete. I

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Speaker 3: just want to win out there and play r and

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Speaker 3: try to win. So I think you have to bring

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Speaker 3: those four guys into that new arena. I mean that

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Speaker 3: brains of fan base. You have four future First Battle

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famers coming into a new arena. It helps

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Speaker 3: the ticket sales go up. Bama's a smart man, he

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Speaker 3: knows what to do. So I think they're trying to

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Speaker 3: figure their way out. But any day, it all depends

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Speaker 3: up to p if you want this stenching or he's

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Speaker 3: willing to wait one more year to get this stinching.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, another interesting thing to look out for

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Speaker 1: this offseason. All right, John, there's been another episode of

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Speaker 1: Point Game. Anything you want to leave with the fans?

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Speaker 3: Showtime, man, keep watching the playoffs. We're gonna give you

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Speaker 3: out more stories, more episodes, and yep, it's been fun

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Speaker 3: communuating talking to y'all.

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