Speaker 1: Smell us.
Speaker 2: Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia MEA podcast.
Speaker 3: Whea, Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am
Speaker 3: Mountain Time on November fourteenth, and we're live from Meet
Speaker 3: Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Spencer new Arth,
Speaker 3: joined today by Steve Ranella and Giannis Putellis. On today's show,
Speaker 3: we're interviewing the world's greatest white tailed deer photographer Matt Hanson.
Speaker 3: Then we've got a migration report from Flying vs Matt McCormick,
Speaker 3: followed by one minute fishing with doctor Randall Williams. After that,
Speaker 3: we'll look at old hunting and fishing pictures for a
Speaker 3: new segment called Throwback Thursday. And finally we'll interview a
Speaker 3: journalist about how forty three monkeys escaped a South Carolina
Speaker 3: research facility. But first that is more about, go ahead,
Speaker 3: what do you got a few things?
Speaker 4: The white child? Dear photographer. I don't view it. It's
Speaker 4: not gonna be an interview. It's gonna be a criticism,
Speaker 4: okay by one of our three hosts. Yes, you're not
Speaker 4: going to interview about how they escape. It's kind of
Speaker 4: more about like what about how they escaped? Sure, because
Speaker 4: like you have to interview the monkeys.
Speaker 3: How would you phrase it?
Speaker 4: Then? What do you think the interviews, We're going to
Speaker 4: talk to him about the escape of a bunch of monkeys,
Speaker 4: not how did they escape? I think that if you
Speaker 4: have one of the monkeys coming on and we're like,
Speaker 4: we're gonna talk to the monkey about how he escaped,
Speaker 4: I think that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe our journalist has talked to one of these monkeys,
Speaker 3: because I've heard that they've captured some by now.
Speaker 4: Oh well, okay, I had another problem with something you said.
Speaker 4: But go on, Oh you go on?
Speaker 3: What else? Eh?
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm just glad to be here.
Speaker 3: It seems like Yanni, the first thing tell us about
Speaker 3: your Wisconsin whitetail hunt. See is this all right to
Speaker 3: interest you?
Speaker 4: No? No, okay, do you know what happened? Talk to me?
Speaker 3: Do you? How do you know what happened?
Speaker 4: That's like, what more is there to say? Fixtures speak
Speaker 4: for themselves.
Speaker 3: I hear you.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a point in the fall to where
Speaker 2: you get to the point like early on or I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I want to hear everybody's hunting story, you know, detailed
Speaker 2: by detail, and then as it wears on when someone
Speaker 2: has killed one, I'm like, good, awesome deer, and then
Speaker 2: let's move on and where are you at now? And
Speaker 2: then I'm still I'm still pretty keen on listening to stories.
Speaker 3: Somebody said to me last week. They said, the meat
Speaker 3: eater like group chat must be popping off right now,
Speaker 3: like everyone's like the rut's doing this. I just saw this.
Speaker 3: My trail cams are blowing up. I said, no, in fact,
Speaker 3: it's not. There was a group chat, but then Yanni
Speaker 3: just started texting me on the side because we were
Speaker 3: the only ones who were engaging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a little offended by those fun by
Speaker 2: those guys. You know I when I use the F
Speaker 2: word on them, you know it's it's in. It's an endearment, but.
Speaker 4: The effort being offended offended?
Speaker 3: No, oh, it starts with f U and then ends
Speaker 3: an E R S. But Yanni stopped at about the
Speaker 3: f U in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I started. It was basically the group from
Speaker 2: one week in November. So if you go back and
Speaker 2: watch that, you can see who I'm talking about. But
Speaker 2: I texted all of them and was kind of like
Speaker 2: starting the rut, white tail rut group chat now and
Speaker 2: dead silence from everybody besides Spencer.
Speaker 3: And after a.
Speaker 2: Couple of back and forth, I'm like, well, I guess
Speaker 2: we're chocking, and yeah, I like.
Speaker 4: When I get into a group text, I liked, I'll look,
Speaker 4: but I don't want. I don't I don't engage. I look,
Speaker 4: but I don't add to it.
Speaker 3: But that's your You're a bad You're a bad member
Speaker 3: then of the group chat. No, not a desirable person
Speaker 3: to have in the group chat at that point.
Speaker 4: My neighborhood has a group chat, and it's most like
Speaker 4: it'd be like, oh, there's a bear over there, like
Speaker 4: there's two moose fighting in the yard, or like we
Speaker 4: saw potential pervert drive through, stuff like that. And one
Speaker 4: day I was gonna send one out because my kids
Speaker 4: pigeons went to live somewhere else. We don't know where
Speaker 4: they went to live in and I was gonna two
Speaker 4: and I was going to send out a note saying,
Speaker 4: if you see these pigeons, let me know. But then
Speaker 4: I didn't, and I said, I'll sit at the dinner table.
Speaker 4: I said, this will be the first time I've ever
Speaker 4: engaged with the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Group chat that seemed worthy of a text.
Speaker 4: And my kids teased me about it, and then I
Speaker 4: changed my mind didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I think that sort of group chat that's acceptable behavior
Speaker 2: because it's not a group of friends, it's a grand
Speaker 2: on a grander scale, it's an entire neighborhood, and there's
Speaker 2: probably thirty people, maybe forty people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, quite a few.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I would call it a little bit shunned that
Speaker 2: no one else wanted to. I mean, we know that
Speaker 2: everybody else is hunting deer and that they didn't want
Speaker 2: to participate AnyWho.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have to find out on Instagram that Mark
Speaker 3: Kenyan killed a buck.
Speaker 2: He should be That's what I'm talking about right there,
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm talking about. You'll know, buddy, when
Speaker 2: I'm off Instagram. You'll know immediately if you're in my
Speaker 2: circle or not, because you either will be getting.
Speaker 3: Texts hey, how's the rout going?
Speaker 4: Or you won't be. You didn't send me anything. I
Speaker 4: got a little group text with two people about my
Speaker 4: beaver cam.
Speaker 3: We'll start a new one. You know, Chester needs to
Speaker 3: be in it because I was.
Speaker 4: Gonna happen in this show.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'll tell you this. We set aside like
Speaker 3: you got five to go, all right. Really, I had
Speaker 3: a feeling this would happen. I know.
Speaker 2: I started hunting. November fourth was my first day. The
Speaker 2: area that I was hunting minutes the area that I
Speaker 2: was hunting. This is a there's been a trend now
Speaker 2: where the weather forecast is a quarter inch of rain
Speaker 2: for the entire day and then thirty six hours later
Speaker 2: someone's like, oh did you hear it rained three.
Speaker 3: Inches in so and so County? Well that's what I had.
Speaker 2: So it got so bad the second day that I
Speaker 2: actually pulled out of the stand at noon because I
Speaker 2: was afraid that my camera was just going to get.
Speaker 3: Water logged and you know, shit the bed.
Speaker 2: Okay, So day three, good wind. I sit on a
Speaker 2: high ridge for the morning hunt.
Speaker 3: No deer.
Speaker 2: I moved down to food for the evening. No deer
Speaker 2: come by me. I see food out or deer come
Speaker 2: out in the bag fields, but nothing. I wouldn't call
Speaker 2: it like a deer sighting because it wasn't in my
Speaker 2: little bubble, right. It wasn't like oh I might get
Speaker 2: a shot.
Speaker 4: It was like some deer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Day four, the wind is just right for the
Speaker 2: Oak flat. Like, I'm gonna go sit the oak flat
Speaker 2: first thing in the morning. Pretty good buck. I sent
Speaker 2: you a picture of the buck and you're like, that's
Speaker 2: not a shooter. I'm like, well, what you don't know
Speaker 2: is that he's got a nice frame. But like he
Speaker 2: has got one long time it's like five inches long,
Speaker 2: and everything else is these little nubs.
Speaker 4: So here's a good photo of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I tell you what that morning, because it
Speaker 2: had we had so much rain, he comes walking across
Speaker 2: the oak flat and those dark antlers are all wet
Speaker 2: and the sun's just kind of punching through a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's getting enough angle, and so those antlers are glistening.
Speaker 2: And you know, we all say, oh, we like to
Speaker 2: pass on these deer.
Speaker 3: But in all.
Speaker 2: Honesty, if you even hesitate on that white tailed deer,
Speaker 2: I don't here it's a dough or a buck.
Speaker 3: You hesitate and this you know, it sound.
Speaker 2: Like you're sitting there going, well, let me break out
Speaker 2: the pros and cons of this buck. You hesitate, you
Speaker 2: passed that buck, because that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I don't know. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: that opportunity's gone.
Speaker 4: You say, quick cut him off where I have like
Speaker 4: ten seconds, You got two minutes. Oh it's really yeah,
Speaker 4: save me ten seconds.
Speaker 2: And uh so he comes through first, A seven point
Speaker 2: comes through maybe like two hours later. At that point,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, man, if I can get like up buck
Speaker 2: to come through every two hours today, no seven, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a hell of the day. Well, the
Speaker 2: next two deer does, but they do come in on
Speaker 2: like the every two hour schedule. And then the fifth
Speaker 2: year is a dough She comes.
Speaker 3: Through at about three point thirty.
Speaker 2: And you know, I figured out a way to kind
Speaker 2: of get through the all day grind of the white
Speaker 2: tail rut.
Speaker 3: There's yourself something huh you look at your cel phone.
Speaker 3: There is that.
Speaker 2: I try not to because the oak flat, the farthest
Speaker 2: spot I can range is eighty six yards. So when
Speaker 2: deer shows up, by the time you actually see it,
Speaker 2: he's probably at seventy five or seventy and they're they're walking,
Speaker 2: they're coming.
Speaker 4: Don't have time to text.
Speaker 3: I gotta go into your group chat, and so I
Speaker 3: try not to do that.
Speaker 2: But you can always tell yourself something, right, It's like
Speaker 2: there's the morning, Oh, the morning's exciting. Oh then there's
Speaker 2: the midday. Well that's when the big bucks are on
Speaker 2: their feet, cruising because the dose are betted, and that's
Speaker 2: when the big buck's going to come through. And then
Speaker 2: you get to three and you're like, oh, now it's
Speaker 2: the prime time until five until dark, right, Sure, so
Speaker 2: Dough comes in at three point thirty. She's not supposed
Speaker 2: to go behind me, because I've got this wall of
Speaker 2: cut maples thrown down that is supposed to deter any
Speaker 2: deer to get behind me and downwind of me. Yes,
Speaker 2: she takes a split second look at it and just
Speaker 2: weaves right into there, and I'm like, son of a bitch,
Speaker 2: you know, like she hesitated, but not long enough to
Speaker 2: change her mind.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So I had my bone hand. I was gonna shoot her,
Speaker 2: no opportunity. I was gonna shoot her because I'm just
Speaker 2: into shooting deer. So I'm uh, you know.
Speaker 4: I thought you were big buck hunting.
Speaker 3: Sorry, well I was, but I was also dough hunting
Speaker 3: helps him big buck hunt. M hm.
Speaker 2: And uh so forty five minutes later, I mean, picture perfect.
Speaker 2: What I love about seeing these white tails and those
Speaker 2: Midwestern deciduous woods. The first thing that material materializes is
Speaker 2: that white set of antlers, right, because their body just
Speaker 2: blends in like part of the the it's the tapestry,
Speaker 2: you know, of the ground and the trees, and so
Speaker 2: it's like all of a sudden, there's this rack. And
Speaker 2: then two steps later, sort of like the ghost of
Speaker 2: the body you know, shows up and like this buck.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, like shooter, I'm on it. He's
Speaker 2: on the trail of the dough and I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: he's going to do the same thing. Like my little
Speaker 2: wall that I've done here is not going to stop him.
Speaker 2: So I swing around the tree, get the camera pointed
Speaker 2: at him. He comes into my shooting lane. I'm at
Speaker 2: full drop. I give him the map. But I gave
Speaker 2: him a map. He didn't hear me. If anybody's still
Speaker 2: out hunting there, if you're going to give him the
Speaker 2: old map to stop them, do it loud. If you're
Speaker 2: gonna do it at a three or four, do it
Speaker 2: at like a nine or ten. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: going to jump out of their skin and run the
Speaker 2: other way just because you give him a loud map.
Speaker 2: So he goes through my shooting lane and I'm like oh,
Speaker 2: well that's it. Well, he gets to my little.
Speaker 4: Wall imaginal line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets there and he's like huh, takes two
Speaker 2: steps back, takes it right, and then comes right, and
Speaker 2: then takes it comes right underneath my stand at ten yards. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I was already at full draw, so I couldn't swing
Speaker 2: the camera and stay on him. So I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: he walked out a frame for the shop. But uh
Speaker 2: ten yards, Uh scapula rib on the way in, rib
Speaker 2: on the way out pass through. I ranged the spot
Speaker 2: where he's standing at ten where I shot him when
Speaker 2: I washed him where he fell over. I ranged him
Speaker 2: on the ground at forty nine yards.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh, wonderful.
Speaker 3: Read the script beautiful.
Speaker 4: Uh oh, just so I want you know, because I'm
Speaker 4: trying to sell you on this little scheme. Me and
Speaker 4: poverty Pad are working out.
Speaker 3: You don't have to sell me.
Speaker 4: Well, listen, I'm sending out two mole trees. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna. I'm gonna and I'll give you the log in. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's gonna send that's.
Speaker 3: A group text i'd like to get.
Speaker 4: So we're sending out a couple of mole trees out there,
Speaker 4: isn't yeah, well so I just happened to have two
Speaker 4: sitting on my work bench. Yeah, I was saying, you
Speaker 4: can have those. We're gonna send them out. I can
Speaker 4: add more to it. I'll give you the log in
Speaker 4: and we're gonna find out what all is what I'm in.
Speaker 3: I think I know what's there, and it's a big
Speaker 3: white tail.
Speaker 4: The only reason I'm inviting you is to make him jealous.
Speaker 3: Oh good, so you're already telling me I'm out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn good because poverty Pat was kind of running this,
Speaker 2: uh this whole idea by me too.
Speaker 3: What Yeah, oh you know, I didn't want to tell
Speaker 3: you this.
Speaker 4: It is kind of like his deal, So maybe you're out. Spencer.
Speaker 3: He a live show to me, and I was kind
Speaker 3: of poking around then, like, oh, what where's this property at?
Speaker 3: How many acres? And how many where are the cattle
Speaker 3: at on this property? I think we put the full
Speaker 3: court meter prass on.
Speaker 4: This next we figure it out off air, but not
Speaker 4: listening because he's gonna probably he might take all this
Speaker 4: the wrong way. Yeah, I'm gonna be I don't If
Speaker 4: I wind up being out, I'm gonna be pissed.
Speaker 3: Speaking of picture perfect whitetail scenes like Yanni had. Our
Speaker 3: next guest is the world's greatest whitetail dear photographer Matt Hanson.
Speaker 3: If you don't know his name, you certainly know his work,
Speaker 3: which has been used across the hunting industry. Matt, Welcome
Speaker 3: to the show.
Speaker 5: Hey, what's up, guys?
Speaker 4: How's going good?
Speaker 3: Matt? Tell us where you're standing today, not in the office.
Speaker 5: Nice soggy Midwestern day. And then one of my honey holes.
Speaker 5: Uh well, he used to be a honey hole. One
Speaker 5: buck wandered in October twenty fourth, So I guess one
Speaker 5: buck's better than none.
Speaker 3: Okay, one of your honey holes. Now, tell us about
Speaker 3: the kinds of places that you take these wonderful pictures.
Speaker 3: Is it private ground, state parks, national park, city parks, like, like,
Speaker 3: what's what's your favorite spots to get these great photos?
Speaker 5: Yes, all the above. Right now, I'm in a metro area,
Speaker 5: so it's more like a city park surrounded by neighborhoods.
Speaker 5: And I have three or four of these kind of spots.
Speaker 5: And then I also do the national parks. I have
Speaker 5: some state parks and then some wildlife refuges.
Speaker 3: Okay, Steve the floors you will so well you want
Speaker 3: me to tell them? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hold on, but first, Matt, are you are you
Speaker 2: hunting with the camera today or with a bow.
Speaker 4: Camera? Okay, do you hunt? Do you hunt with a
Speaker 4: bow or hunt with anything weapons? Yep? I do.
Speaker 5: I shot a meal deer in a prong horn last
Speaker 5: month in Wyoming, but I normally do like one hunt
Speaker 5: every two years. I haven't killed the white tail in
Speaker 5: probably four years.
Speaker 3: Huh. Now, Steve had some thoughts about where some of
Speaker 3: these photos.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to hear this criticis.
Speaker 4: Well, what I was sharing with the boys here, and
Speaker 4: you know, if you're doing food photography, the food needs
Speaker 4: to the food needs to be edible. Okay, like in
Speaker 4: the old days, if you were, like if you're advertising
Speaker 4: place settings, I think you can get away with the
Speaker 4: food not being edible. But if it's food photography, the
Speaker 4: food's edible. So on a food shoot, you might they
Speaker 4: used to like take a turkey and they would literally
Speaker 4: varnish a turkey right now that yet it has to
Speaker 4: be food. Has I feel that it should be illegal?
Speaker 4: Like I think if you're putting a deer a photo
Speaker 4: of a deer in a hunting context meaning on a
Speaker 4: hunting magazine, hunting website, that should be a huntable deer.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's fair, okay to put a not
Speaker 4: huntable deer in a hunting publication. I think it should
Speaker 4: be illegal.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I hear that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what so, like what percentage of white tails that
Speaker 3: you photograph are not hauntable.
Speaker 4: Because you're getting people excited and it's not true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's just like all the alk photos you see,
Speaker 5: so you gotta talk to the al photographer.
Speaker 3: That should be illegal too, Matt, tell folks where they've
Speaker 3: seen your pictures before, just.
Speaker 5: Generally all about hunting magazines. Currently I have Peterson's Hunting
Speaker 5: cover and then North American White Tail cover. I think
Speaker 5: I have a spread and bow Hunter, and then all
Speaker 5: the hunting companies as well, Cabella's Bass Pro. You guys,
Speaker 5: Spencer has been very good to me for the website doing.
Speaker 5: I think it's over two hundred articles now.
Speaker 3: Some it is so and how how many how many
Speaker 3: covers have you had in your life magazines?
Speaker 5: It's well over one hundred now. I've been doing this
Speaker 5: for about ten years. It really took traction five years ago,
Speaker 5: so probably about eighty in the past five years.
Speaker 4: And how is that good run?
Speaker 3: How has the white tail photography business changed over the
Speaker 3: last decade then?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it getting harder to make a living doing this?
Speaker 5: Yes, but obviously with the everything changing to online makes
Speaker 5: something's difficult. But I'm going to go positive here and
Speaker 5: say the concentration on big rackx has lessened in the
Speaker 5: past decade, and that's really helped me because about half
Speaker 5: my covers are one hundred and forty inch year or smaller,
Speaker 5: and ten twenty years ago I would have barely sold
Speaker 5: any of those. So that's a huge positive in the
Speaker 5: hunting industry. And I think you guys have a lot
Speaker 5: of blame or credit to that because meat eater obviously
Speaker 5: you shoot big animals when you see them, but you're
Speaker 5: not completely picky every time you go out, which has
Speaker 5: been a huge help for me because I I'd much
Speaker 5: rather a decent, mature buck in a gorgeous scene than
Speaker 5: just a giant buck in a really messy scene.
Speaker 3: Steve, you feel a little bad now for criticizing him, Yeah,
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 4: But the wheels that are turning into my head is,
Speaker 4: let's say, like, how much goodwill would you get if
Speaker 4: a publication or an online thing said, you know what, bro,
Speaker 4: all of our dear, all of our wildlife photography is
Speaker 4: huntable game.
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna go a different direction, say
Speaker 3: like Field and Streams should put a spike on their cover.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I don't care what they do.
Speaker 3: Okay, Matt, tell us tell us about your favorite tell
Speaker 3: us about your favorite photo of all time that you've
Speaker 3: ever taken in this last decade of white tailed deer photography.
Speaker 5: Okay, there's a lot of them, but the one that
Speaker 5: comes to mind is probably my most well known one.
Speaker 5: It's just a really nice buck with a huge vapor
Speaker 5: class out in a snowy setting, which was actually I
Speaker 5: looked up the excess exit data it was November fourteenth,
Speaker 5: so today in twenty eighteen, let's.
Speaker 4: See you, Phil.
Speaker 3: It's not prep Steve.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's called BAP. Yeah, bad at producing.
Speaker 3: Okay, so your favorite photo? How big was that white
Speaker 3: tail that you took?
Speaker 4: Was? Was he a giant or standard?
Speaker 5: Yes, he's pretty big. He's in the one fifties, I
Speaker 5: would say.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's the vapor cloud that's his bread. Yes, yes, so.
Speaker 5: Backlit, really cold morning and he's right on the edge
Speaker 5: of the clearing, so I was in the woods. He
Speaker 5: was right on the edge of the woods, and I
Speaker 5: was shooting back towards the field.
Speaker 3: Phil is gonna work on photo.
Speaker 2: I got a question while we're waiting on that. Yeah, what, Matt,
Speaker 2: what is there like a behavior, a dear behavior that
Speaker 2: you think that you've noticed over the years of doing
Speaker 2: this with the camera that maybe most white tail deer
Speaker 2: hunters don't know about or aren't like privy to something
Speaker 2: that you've seen because of your just the amount of
Speaker 2: hours you've spent with these deer and.
Speaker 5: Bosses, and I feel a lot of hunters don't get
Speaker 5: up close and personal with the snortweeze and it's pretty
Speaker 5: intimidating and pretty awesome.
Speaker 4: Hmm Yeah, snort wheeze.
Speaker 3: If you don't know that, Wow, that's like the most
Speaker 3: aggressive vocalization that a whitetail has in his role ofdex.
Speaker 3: That's telling another white tail I'm gonna whoop your ass
Speaker 3: right now if you come over here. And that's that's
Speaker 3: what a snort wheeze is. Yep, Matt. Have you ever
Speaker 3: been photographing a deer that ends up getting shot?
Speaker 5: Yes, a lot on this property.
Speaker 3: Actually, oh, so.
Speaker 4: This used to be.
Speaker 5: Really twenty We had some really good bucks and we're
Speaker 5: down to one now. So they come and go as
Speaker 5: they please, and unfortunately, well I hunt also, so it's
Speaker 5: not completely unfortunately. But if you just ask for permission,
Speaker 5: I think Michigan is one hundred and fifty yards. I
Speaker 5: don't know what other states in the Midwest are, but
Speaker 5: if you get written permission from neighbors at one hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty yards, you can both hunt that animal. And
Speaker 5: these deer are coming and going almost every day, so
Speaker 5: a lot get wiped out. And then also a fun
Speaker 5: little thing, Me and my buddy surprised our parents down
Speaker 5: at a Texas hunt, so we showed up the day before,
Speaker 5: total surprise, and I actually photographed the buck that my
Speaker 5: dad shot the following day, so that's kind of cool.
Speaker 5: So he has the live and field kill shot in
Speaker 5: his office now, which is pretty that's good.
Speaker 3: But have you ever been Oh okay, Phil now has
Speaker 3: Matt's favorite photo of all time on the screen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like that deer eat squirrels. Man. Uh huh.
Speaker 3: When people say that a big buck for the cover
Speaker 3: of outdoor magazines, that's what they're talking about Matt. Where
Speaker 3: has that photo been used before?
Speaker 5: That was on the cover of Quality White Tails. So
Speaker 5: actually that afternoon I went to a Chick fil A
Speaker 5: and immediately sent it to Lindsay and he was like, yep,
Speaker 5: so that was on the following cover. Yeah, it's normally
Speaker 5: it doesn't happen that quickly because you shoot like this year,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be selling for next fall. But this
Speaker 5: was just a perfect thing that worked out. November fourteenth,
Speaker 5: there's still time for the Winner issue to come out,
Speaker 5: and it was just meant to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that buck is worthy of an outdoor magazine. Matt,
Speaker 3: good luck with the rest of your photo taking and
Speaker 3: you're hunting this fall. You can see Matt's work on
Speaker 3: our website. Any magazine rack you look at in a
Speaker 3: gas station or grocery store, if you see your beautiful
Speaker 3: picture of a white tail, there's a decent chance that
Speaker 3: that belongs to Matt Hanson.
Speaker 4: Got Phil's tearing it up. Now look at all this photos.
Speaker 4: He's tearing it a new one over there.
Speaker 6: Now, Ryan says, which doesn't mean what you're thinking.
Speaker 3: It means wonderful at producing says Ryan.
Speaker 4: Uh and uh.
Speaker 3: If you are part of our YouTube audience, you can
Speaker 3: see the full pictures.
Speaker 4: Oh I like that one too.
Speaker 3: Good job, Phil, all right, have a good day in
Speaker 3: the woods, Phil, all right. Our next segment is the
Speaker 3: Migration Report.
Speaker 4: When you can sun food and the cham sassle, then
Speaker 4: you suffer.
Speaker 3: Alright, Chrishan is the West? What do you boys like that?
Speaker 3: I couldn't understand what it said.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: The Migration Report is where Matt McCormick gives a waterfowl
Speaker 3: hunting forecast for each flyway.
Speaker 4: Take it away, Matt.
Speaker 7: Hey guys, I'm Matt McCormick with Flying V and welcome
Speaker 7: to the meat Eater Migration Report from November fourteenth, twenty
Speaker 7: twenty four. I'm reporting, do you live from the gorge
Speaker 7: here in southwest Montana? And we are witnessing significant shifts
Speaker 7: in the waterfowl migration as we move deeper into November.
Speaker 4: Let's dive right.
Speaker 7: In here in the Pacific Flyway. We have mega cold
Speaker 7: weather on the way. We're talking like single digits up
Speaker 7: in Alberta. This cold snap will absolutely freeze up the
Speaker 7: small holding water up in Alberta and should push some
Speaker 7: of those birds from the Peace River area, hopefully all
Speaker 7: the way down into the States.
Speaker 4: The Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 7: Is already seeing a big influx of wigeon on the
Speaker 7: front end of this storm.
Speaker 4: And although overall goose numbers are.
Speaker 7: Down over here in the Pacific Flyway, reports are showing
Speaker 7: good movement into all the staging areas across the flyway.
Speaker 7: Here in Montana, we are experiencing a steady flow of
Speaker 7: ducks arriving daily over the last few weeks, but we're
Speaker 7: all ready for a little bit colder weather. In the
Speaker 7: Central Flyway, cold fronts and north winds have picked up
Speaker 7: the pace of the migration. There are still a pile
Speaker 7: of birds balled up right there at the Canadian US border,
Speaker 7: but South Dakota does still hold a large concentration of
Speaker 7: both ducks and geese. The front end of that migration
Speaker 7: is pushing all the way down into Kansas and Oklahoma,
Speaker 7: and I know those guys down in Oklahoma are just
Speaker 7: beating them up right now on that leading edge. As
Speaker 7: temperatures continue to drop over the next few weeks, hunters
Speaker 7: can expect increased activity and fresh.
Speaker 4: Arrivals all along the flyways.
Speaker 7: So if you guys are wondering if you should go hunting,
Speaker 7: now is the time It's been a little bit of
Speaker 7: an unusual year for everybody in the Mississippi Flyway, with
Speaker 7: ten being above average, but the migration is still progressing steadily.
Speaker 7: Recent rains have improved habitat conditions, setting the stage for
Speaker 7: prime duck hunting opportunities, and the geese aren't all that
Speaker 7: far behind. Hunters in Minnesota can look forward to those
Speaker 7: big migration days that everyone has been waiting for. They're
Speaker 7: on their way boards, So call up your bodies, load
Speaker 7: up the guns, get in the pit, and go hunting
Speaker 7: because they're coming. Lastly, in the Atlantic Flyway, migration activity
Speaker 7: is gradually increasing, much like the other parts of the country.
Speaker 7: Colder temperatures and improved habitat conditions are expected to drive
Speaker 7: movement in the upcoming weeks. Hunters along the eastern seaboards
Speaker 7: should keep a close eye on weather patterns, as they'll
Speaker 7: play a really big role in the timing and the
Speaker 7: volume of the incoming birds. I know that there's a
Speaker 7: bunch of birds up in the Saint Lawrence regions. Still
Speaker 7: they will push down into you guys here shortly. That's
Speaker 7: it for this week's migration report. Whether you're hunting sheet
Speaker 7: water in the Pacific Northwest, or gearing up for some
Speaker 7: big MiG days in the Mississippi Flyway. The upcoming weather
Speaker 7: patterns are setting the stage for some killer hunting ahead.
Speaker 7: This is gonna be exciting, guys. November is here. We're
Speaker 7: all looking forward to the cooler weather. Stay tuned for
Speaker 7: more updates and good luck out there.
Speaker 4: Back to you guys, hot damn, oh good damn. Phil.
Speaker 4: You know what you ought to do? Man, I would
Speaker 4: rig it up where when he's doing that, it's got
Speaker 4: one of those weatherman things in the background.
Speaker 6: M that sounds like a lot of money and work.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he points and it's like all kinds of
Speaker 4: graphics and like arrows, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that sounds incredible. I'd love to see it.
Speaker 4: That's how I would rigged out.
Speaker 3: Steve. I've seen some news lately about the geese arriving
Speaker 3: at Freeze Out Lake in Montana. That's a place I've
Speaker 3: heard you talk.
Speaker 4: We used to do it every year.
Speaker 3: What's your relationship with that lake?
Speaker 4: Oh? We go hunt snow geese. Uh huh, and we
Speaker 4: call the hotline. This is pre internet. The Internet wasn't
Speaker 4: as souped up as it is now. I liked it
Speaker 4: better back then. I was telling someone their day right
Speaker 4: in this room. The main thing I like about the
Speaker 4: internet is you can watch the world's greatest hockey goals
Speaker 4: of all time in slow motion.
Speaker 3: That's your favorite thing.
Speaker 4: There's so much more going on than you'd think is
Speaker 4: going on. That's a good use of the Internet. But
Speaker 4: I preferred it when you would call the hotline and
Speaker 4: they would estimate they'd be like eight thousand snows, twenty
Speaker 4: thousand snows, twenty five thousand snows, and then you drop
Speaker 4: everything freezer.
Speaker 3: This hotline still exists.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I think it's all I think
Speaker 4: it's all online not stupid.
Speaker 3: Now, are you impressed by like the trickery of the
Speaker 3: shooter or the reaction of the goalie, or when you're
Speaker 3: watching these slow mo hockey shots.
Speaker 4: The puck handling is unlike? Yeah. And the thing is,
Speaker 4: me and Randall were talking about this prior to this,
Speaker 4: maybe two guys knew what happened mmmmm, the like maybe
Speaker 4: two people knew what exactly happened on that goal. Sure,
Speaker 4: meaning when you're coming in and like the pucks like
Speaker 4: between your feet and you and you like backhand. No
Speaker 4: one knows. None of the spectators know. No one knows. Also,
Speaker 4: they're aware that the pucks in the net, but they
Speaker 4: never knew what the guy did. He has to go
Speaker 4: to the grave knowing what he did, and no one
Speaker 4: knows what he did.
Speaker 2: Well, now you make it to the grave because the
Speaker 2: next day on Sports Center they showed it.
Speaker 3: In slow mode.
Speaker 4: I mean back in the old days.
Speaker 3: Uh that okay, that brings me joy, that those highlights.
Speaker 4: Bring you joy. My daughter's a hockey player.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil.
Speaker 3: What's the chat have to say?
Speaker 6: Oh, a lot of stuff. First of all, golden arrows wondering, honest,
Speaker 6: why are you wearing a letterman's jacket? You want to
Speaker 6: talk about what you're wearing there? You know I always.
Speaker 3: Wanted a letter letterman's jacket when I was in high school.
Speaker 3: Did either of you ever?
Speaker 4: It was a big j on it.
Speaker 3: I had the letter, but I never went through with
Speaker 3: it and got the jacket.
Speaker 4: You think our school even had those.
Speaker 2: I got a letter too for running cross country, huh,
Speaker 2: But I didn't get the jacket either.
Speaker 6: Here I got a band.
Speaker 2: No, this was just sitting on my desk, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I tried it on. I thought, and I thought, man,
Speaker 2: if it's really nice, So I decided to wear it
Speaker 2: for the show today.
Speaker 3: Steve was trying to talk a lot of it so
Speaker 3: he could have it.
Speaker 6: That's right, Stormy Chromer Steve.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite Yannie stories of all time is
Speaker 4: he had a blaze orange Stormy Chromer hat and he
Speaker 4: had it so long that it faded so much, and
Speaker 4: eventually a game board and told him that it was
Speaker 4: his last year with that hat?
Speaker 3: Was it your last year? Indeed? Well, yeah, guys, get
Speaker 3: not that orange.
Speaker 4: He goes, you can hunt this year, but next year
Speaker 4: I might have a new hat.
Speaker 3: Yea. So not a letter not a letterman's jacket.
Speaker 2: No, it's a Stormy Chromer meat eater or collab. You
Speaker 2: can find it on the website. I bet you can
Speaker 2: find it on the Stormy Chromer website too. It's got
Speaker 2: like a little quilting on the inside.
Speaker 3: If you can't afford that.
Speaker 4: Bullshitter's calendar.
Speaker 2: But how did you have to say it for the
Speaker 2: folks that don't like the naughty language.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for Clay, I sent Clay. I made up
Speaker 4: a Clay nucome cover or its dilapidated old potties because
Speaker 4: he doesn't. But he said, we could have used crappers
Speaker 4: and he still would have been okay with his family,
Speaker 4: haven't it right? But yeah, dilapidated old potties, but it's
Speaker 4: actually not available available for everyone else. You got to
Speaker 4: get the f up for everyone else. You have to
Speaker 4: have to swear word. I was listening to you know,
Speaker 4: uh what quite surprised me. I think I think like
Speaker 4: swear words are different now. Six days before the election,
Speaker 4: jd Vance was on Rogan's podcast and he said the
Speaker 4: F word. Mmm, So I'm like, okay, we're in a
Speaker 4: new era now. Yeah, you could be running for vice
Speaker 4: presidents and say the F word. Damn. Sure could be
Speaker 4: on this calendar.
Speaker 3: Do you think there was a time in your life
Speaker 3: where the vice president couldn't say the word.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was seven days ago.
Speaker 6: Healthy j has had a pretty at a pretty filthy mouth,
Speaker 6: and I think it was it was kind of like
Speaker 6: off the record every all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was all that stuff that they the secret tapes.
Speaker 3: Sure, so the calendar in the meat Eater store and
Speaker 3: Yannie's spiffy stormy chromer orange vest also in the store.
Speaker 4: Ye and we're and I'm taking suggestions for ne do
Speaker 4: we have time? Sure, I'm taking suggestions for next year's calendar.
Speaker 4: Where we were talking about doing fucked up old fish
Speaker 4: cleaning stations, but it's hard to capture the image, and
Speaker 4: it's hard to capture the smell. Then fucked up old boats.
Speaker 4: That's a good one. Fucked up old fisherman and it's
Speaker 4: just pictures of fucked up old fisherman like that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: a lot of them are dead, but what would they
Speaker 4: look like? Well, we're gonna get to one. What do
Speaker 4: you mean when we I don't like the name throwback Thursdays.
Speaker 4: I think that's stupid. But there's a.
Speaker 3: Old come up with that's like a social media it.
Speaker 4: Uh, I'll tell you about one. I'll tell you about one.
Speaker 3: Phil, what else you got? Votive?
Speaker 6: Just recognized that Phil and Steve remind me of my
Speaker 6: parents passively aggressively arguing with each other for the voting.
Speaker 3: You should have heard us before the show. Uh, there was.
Speaker 3: There was a pretty earnest remark made by Phil that said, Steve,
Speaker 3: I feel like you're mad at me a lot. Yeah no,
Speaker 3: and then I said that he disagreement. It's like today
Speaker 3: I love my job. Yeah, both those things happen opinions on.
Speaker 6: I'm guessing just pen Ray's birds being released on public land.
Speaker 6: It's our only good upland opportunity here in Illinois, Wisconsin.
Speaker 6: That's from Zach. Do you guys have any I think
Speaker 6: you've shared some of this, Steve, but it's a little
Speaker 6: wishy washy. We don't have to get into it putting
Speaker 6: you on the spot here, I don't mind.
Speaker 4: Me put it on spot. What's you say? If it
Speaker 4: was possible to take that money an effort and do
Speaker 4: the right habitat work to get wild birds on the ground,
Speaker 4: I think that that would be a better use of
Speaker 4: time than it is to set up a sort of
Speaker 4: pretend amusement park type situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know where Steve was going, but my first
Speaker 2: thought was that, Yeah, I just wish that we could
Speaker 2: put that energy into habitat and then have wild birds.
Speaker 2: You're great, but if it is your only opportunity, have fun.
Speaker 2: It's a complicated situation and we should do a.
Speaker 4: Whole thing about it. Thanks for springing that up, Phil.
Speaker 6: You're welcome, Steve. Last one before our next segment. This
Speaker 6: is kind of broad. But you guys are from the
Speaker 6: area sort of. So Thomas's as.
Speaker 8: Do we still eat it Dave Sushi? Yeah, great, we
Speaker 8: can do that one too. Oh, I'll talk about that
Speaker 8: at length. I'll talk about that at length. I just
Speaker 8: went back, we're switching. I still need a Dave Sushi. Listen,
Speaker 8: set the stage, set the stage.
Speaker 4: All right, do we have time for this?
Speaker 3: We got time for anything. We want to have time.
Speaker 4: My favorite restaurant, and my favorite restaurant here used to
Speaker 4: be Dave Sushi. Oh yeah, Dudell family favorite. They bought
Speaker 4: some imported morel mushrooms. I didn't even know this existed.
Speaker 4: They bought some moral mushrooms that were cultivated and imported
Speaker 4: from China, and they were serving them like in a
Speaker 4: not cooked roll, not cooked. They were like giving them
Speaker 4: a splash of vinegar, serving them uncooked. And they had
Speaker 4: a made a bunch of people sick and killed a
Speaker 4: couple of people.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then everybody's like, oh, it's dangerous to eat it
Speaker 4: Dave Sushi. I said, well not anymore. It ain't. Yeah, guarantee,
Speaker 4: they're not selling that.
Speaker 3: It's like they say, the safest day to fly was,
Speaker 3: you know, right after nine eleven.
Speaker 4: So I took my family down there to eat just
Speaker 4: as an act of defiance. Put just something change down there, man,
Speaker 4: all the just something change the vibe.
Speaker 3: I am in back, so it's not your favorite anymore.
Speaker 4: I went that one time and I was like, bye, God,
Speaker 4: we're a Dave's family, and that's I don't want to
Speaker 4: hear about it. And then we haven't been back. We'reund
Speaker 4: to a new thing. Now we're around. We around the
Speaker 4: I like the table because my kids liked they squirt
Speaker 4: the sprite in your mouth and they throw eggs in
Speaker 4: the air, and.
Speaker 6: Shit, it's kompa here in Yeah, there's some of those guys.
Speaker 4: Some of those guys get a little burned out over
Speaker 4: time and they don't put on a show. That's me
Speaker 4: and my kids favorite restaurant. My wife doesn't like it.
Speaker 4: And then I I like the air Works. I like
Speaker 4: going there. Yeah, And there's a lot of restaurants I hate.
Speaker 2: See I've been to that. There's some other there's some
Speaker 2: other sushi joints in our town. And after the Dave's thing,
Speaker 2: I went to the other ones and then I was like, man,
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna eat sushi in this time, I'm going
Speaker 2: back to Dave's.
Speaker 4: Damn straight with you.
Speaker 2: I haven't, but you gotta win the lottery to go
Speaker 2: to and I love going to guys, so I could.
Speaker 3: I got the anniversary.
Speaker 6: Here's the deal man that's not enjoying this local bowsman.
Speaker 3: I got to come when you come.
Speaker 4: I got a list of restaurants that long from there
Speaker 4: to there that I'm actually boycott. Oh why hate him
Speaker 4: so bad? Okay, hate them.
Speaker 3: I'm going to one tonight, a new one. That's why
Speaker 3: I've got this card again. On it's the only this
Speaker 3: is the only office in the world where you could
Speaker 3: walk in with something that's not like a meat eater
Speaker 3: T shirt and people are like, oh, look at look
Speaker 3: at GQ over here.
Speaker 4: What are you going to? The Queen was teasing me
Speaker 4: there today about my shirt. Really, he's like a little
Speaker 4: fashion coph.
Speaker 3: A card. Again. We're gonna go to the Bitter Root
Speaker 3: b Stroup tonight.
Speaker 4: You play something. Where do you get fashion advice here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll remember that. Phil. Let's let's do one more
Speaker 3: comment here and then we go on.
Speaker 6: Yes, this is I mean, this could be a quick
Speaker 6: description Craig's outdoors. Could you guys explain how thermals work
Speaker 6: and how to take them into account while hunting. Never
Speaker 6: really understood this.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Yanni quick, warm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Phil, I don't think you did a great job
Speaker 2: of producing this one, but I'll do it. No, no,
Speaker 2: I can answer. But it's not a it's not it's yes.
Speaker 4: Let me take a stab at it.
Speaker 3: Thermals. I'm gonna go real quick.
Speaker 2: Why don't listen, I'll do I'll explain thermals very quickly,
Speaker 2: and then you can take them. You can explain how
Speaker 2: to take them into account while hunting. Okay, anywhere where
Speaker 2: you have a topography, meaning like some sort of hills, mountains,
Speaker 2: or even just little bitty hills like ten twenty. It
Speaker 2: doesn't work on flat ground. You need to have a
Speaker 2: place where there's air that's going to sink when it's
Speaker 2: cold down the side of a hill, and then when
Speaker 2: it warms up, it's going to rise.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the same way that if you put your hand
Speaker 2: over a fire, you can feel the heat well above
Speaker 2: the fire, but if you're able to put it like
Speaker 2: down below it or off to the side, it's not
Speaker 2: you don't feel it quite as in the same distance.
Speaker 2: It's because the heat's rising well, it sinks when it
Speaker 2: gets cold too.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 2: Most days, like where I hunt in Wisconsin, if the
Speaker 2: wind's not blowing, like in the first morning, when it's
Speaker 2: super cold at first light, the air is sinking down
Speaker 2: the hillsides. As the day warms, the air starts to
Speaker 2: rise up the hillsides, and then again in the evenings,
Speaker 2: the air cools and it's gonna sink down the hillsides. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that is how thermals work.
Speaker 4: Yep. I'll add a little tidbit. Cold water can drive
Speaker 4: thermals as well. But let me back up and say this.
Speaker 4: I think of there being I don't know if a
Speaker 4: meteorologist would agree. I think of there being two kinds
Speaker 4: of wind. There's wind that you go and look at
Speaker 4: the weather forecast and it tells you the wind's coming
Speaker 4: from the south. There's that wind, and then there's a
Speaker 4: localized thermal wind that has to do with temperature shifts.
Speaker 4: How do you use them? Let me give you an
Speaker 4: extreme version. It's very common if let's let's say you're
Speaker 4: you're bow hunting elk and you're looking at elk on
Speaker 4: the hillside, and you know the best approach is to
Speaker 4: come from above. It's real common to not make a
Speaker 4: play and wait for the thermals to switch and be like,
Speaker 4: I'm not going now because I need to come from
Speaker 4: above and the air going is going uphill. I'm gonna wait.
Speaker 4: The sun's gonna set, the air is going to.
Speaker 3: No, no, you mess it up.
Speaker 4: Am I where I'm at?
Speaker 3: You need to come from.
Speaker 4: Above, you know, you want to approach from above above.
Speaker 3: And at that moment when you first seen him at
Speaker 3: first light, the air is still sinking.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I was in the air. I was looking
Speaker 4: at him midday.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: Either way, you know that as the air is cooling
Speaker 4: or when it's cold, the air is gonna be going downhill,
Speaker 4: and when it's warm, the air is gonna be going uphill.
Speaker 4: And you might sit and be like, we're not gonna
Speaker 4: do anything. We're gonna lay here for three hours until
Speaker 4: the thermals switch, at which point we'll be able to
Speaker 4: do the approach in the way that makes sense for
Speaker 4: the wind. And that's not what the weather man's telling you.
Speaker 4: That's the topographical wind change. When I was saying about creeks,
Speaker 4: you might always notice if you're in a you might
Speaker 4: always notice if you're on a creek that has any
Speaker 4: kind of like canyon like aspect, you might always be
Speaker 4: like the wind is always with the current because that air,
Speaker 4: that water is cool in that little bit of air,
Speaker 4: and you have a little micro climb of thermal with
Speaker 4: air coming down. So it's a good idea sometimes to
Speaker 4: sneak up creaks because you know that there's gonna be
Speaker 4: ever so slight downhill draft from that cool creek air.
Speaker 2: Here's another example. One time I got busted by thermals.
Speaker 2: I was on a north facing like deep ark timber
Speaker 2: hillside right like, I'm freezing my my tail off sitting there,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at elk across the drainage that are
Speaker 2: in a south on a south facing quaky covered hillside
Speaker 2: that's in the sun, and i can feel the air
Speaker 2: dropping right down to the creek below me, and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 2: it's just going to drop down in there and then
Speaker 2: just gonna keep on going out. Well, what my scent
Speaker 2: actually did was it went to the bottom and then
Speaker 2: it caught that warm air and that was going up
Speaker 2: the other side, and then went right up the other
Speaker 2: side to the elk and eventually busted me.
Speaker 4: Drives more time, still no question. It's hot tips conversation.
Speaker 4: We talked about Poverty Pat earlier. The other day. I
Speaker 4: was with Poverty Pat and we were looking at a
Speaker 4: wallow and I was talking about how a fellow could
Speaker 4: set up on that wallow, and I said, you'd want
Speaker 4: to do two. You have to do two setups because
Speaker 4: of the thermal Sure, a more detailed breakdown. We have
Speaker 4: two really good articles on the meat eater dot com
Speaker 4: Understanding Thermals in Whitetail Country from Tony Peterson and then
Speaker 4: how to Hunt a Thermal Hub from Bomartnic. In that
Speaker 4: thermal hub, a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 4: hunting creek bottoms like sand and if you were if
Speaker 4: you if you need to approach a fucked up old shitter,
Speaker 4: you might play the thermals depending on the condition. That's
Speaker 4: a hot tip, dude.
Speaker 2: Mark Kenyon just interviewed, Uh, John Eberhart and oh from
Speaker 2: Tethered Uh not Ernie, what's the what's his no? What's
Speaker 2: what's Ernie's partner's name? Greg Godfrey? He interviewed those two
Speaker 2: and in there they talk about thermals. On the podcast.
Speaker 2: It's not the current episode but the one before.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: They thoroughly talk through thermals. So go listen to that.
Speaker 4: When I first saw that question come up, I thought,
Speaker 4: you want to know how long John's worked? Alright.
Speaker 2: The only reason I thought it was bad films because
Speaker 2: I knew we could talk about this for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little chuckle over there.
Speaker 3: Moving on, our next segment is one minute Fishing.
Speaker 5: Do I feel lucky?
Speaker 4: We'll do you dunk, Go ahead, make my cast.
Speaker 3: One minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,
Speaker 3: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars
Speaker 3: donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is
Speaker 3: doctor Randall Williams, who's at the Meat Eater office pond today.
Speaker 3: Doctor Randall is fishing for a donation to TRCP. Steve,
Speaker 3: what are you seeing there?
Speaker 4: When you look at the camera, I see that I
Speaker 4: see a homeless guy out by that pond or the
Speaker 4: Cleveland shirt on. So wherever he came from Ohio state? Sorry,
Speaker 4: wherever he came from it was Ohio?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Randal, give us a scouting report on the
Speaker 3: office pond.
Speaker 4: Have you made a cast yet?
Speaker 10: I made a few half hearted casts about twenty five
Speaker 10: minutes ago, and since then we've just been.
Speaker 4: Trying to keep our hands warm.
Speaker 10: There's a good breeze coming in from the west, maybe
Speaker 10: gusting up to fifteen miles an hour or so, so
Speaker 10: I apologize in advance. If Corey's hands are shaking because
Speaker 10: we're rather chilly.
Speaker 6: Cold, that's fine. The connection is not great anyway. Do
Speaker 6: whatever you want.
Speaker 3: And what's your tactic today, Randall? To be successful in
Speaker 3: one minute?
Speaker 10: Well, I've got a number four panther Martin with a.
Speaker 4: Yellow body red spots.
Speaker 10: I believe it's been featured on this very segment in
Speaker 10: previous episodes, and I'm gonna give it about two casts.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go one to the left, one to the right,
Speaker 10: and just see what happens.
Speaker 4: I don't have much confidence, Steve.
Speaker 3: What would you do if you were out there trying
Speaker 3: to catch a fish in one minute?
Speaker 4: Same thing. I'd take a big old fat lee for
Speaker 4: him and put about twenty inches below bobber and huck
Speaker 4: that out and just have you start the clock.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, doctor Randall, Your time starts when you
Speaker 3: make your first cast.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, let's do this. What if he has a
Speaker 4: license would be funny if you got like of citation.
Speaker 3: We had someone from the production side of the company
Speaker 3: do this a couple of weeks ago, and I asked
Speaker 3: them beforehand and said, do you have a fishing license?
Speaker 4: And they did. They didn't see it.
Speaker 3: The first one got hung in the trees. No, Well,
Speaker 3: the good news is you have forty five seconds to
Speaker 3: figure it out.
Speaker 4: You know what it ought to be. If they don't catch,
Speaker 4: they pay five hundred bucks. If they do catch, we
Speaker 4: pay five hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: The opposite thing will happen where right now, we have
Speaker 3: a lot of people volunteering to do this segment. The
Speaker 3: other version. I don't think we'll have anyone. What's going
Speaker 3: on over there? Come on, Randall, let's go. You have
Speaker 3: fifteen seconds to go.
Speaker 4: Is still in the tree? Why is he looking at us?
Speaker 3: Five seconds?
Speaker 6: R man, I wish we weren't.
Speaker 3: It did not have today, Randall, tell us about what
Speaker 3: happened on that first cast.
Speaker 6: Oh, he's on the ground.
Speaker 10: Well, previously, previously i'd mentioned that there's a very strong
Speaker 10: breeze coming across the pond, and I went to chuck
Speaker 10: it past that tree, bring it right under there. A
Speaker 10: bit of a moonball cast must have caught a cross
Speaker 10: breeze and then got hung up about twenty feet in
Speaker 10: the tree. I I really, I'm surprised that it came
Speaker 10: out shocking to me. Really, I thought this was going
Speaker 10: to be a giant failure. Instead it was just sort
Speaker 10: of on par with all the other failures.
Speaker 3: We have yet to have someone be successful doing one
Speaker 3: minute fishing at the office pond.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'll get in there.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll do it, Steve, before that thing freeze over.
Speaker 4: Because I've seen tracks cutting across it.
Speaker 3: We're running out of time, so before the freeze happens,
Speaker 3: someone needs to be successful for one minute fishing. I'd
Speaker 3: like to tell you well done, but I'm not going
Speaker 3: to insult you and our listeners. So we'll try this
Speaker 3: against some.
Speaker 4: Other Randall, does it seem my gud just go out
Speaker 4: there with a worm and a bobber and win.
Speaker 10: I mean that was my That was what I'd hope
Speaker 10: to do, but you know, I just didn't come prepared today.
Speaker 10: Sort of the last minute deal.
Speaker 4: So well, don't do that. That's what I'm gonna do
Speaker 4: your pocket.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you do well.
Speaker 3: Last thing, Randal, before we get out of here, we
Speaker 3: had someone Leland Nlly pipe in and say that Randal
Speaker 3: can be on the cover of the calendar for fed
Speaker 3: up Old Fishermen. Oh oh, I've got some.
Speaker 10: I've got some real beauties in my back archives of
Speaker 10: me as a fucked up old fisherman.
Speaker 4: So okay, believe me.
Speaker 10: I think we could make a nice composite for the cover.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Randal, Thank you Corey.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Our next segment is Throwback Thursday. Go back on a Thursday.
Speaker 6: Stephen Rody take me back in nineteen seventy foot.
Speaker 3: Believe and I mentioned Stephen Rody old.
Speaker 4: As shit.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: I saw, I saw twice I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: That's that little tune from Phil really tickled Steve in
Speaker 3: a way that I don't think I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Like I said, man, I could if I had, if
Speaker 4: you had an hour, I would start telling you about
Speaker 4: Gordon Lightfoot.
Speaker 3: Okay, next episode, Throwback Thursday, is where we look at
Speaker 3: old hunting and fishing pictures of the crew. Yanni, You're
Speaker 3: going first, and if you are on our YouTube audience,
Speaker 3: either live or watching this in the future, you will
Speaker 3: get to see these photos that we're looking at. All right, Yanni,
Speaker 3: what are we seeing here?
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 3: You guys can see what it is. But I want
Speaker 3: you guys to guess the year is that you assoom
Speaker 3: in there a little bit.
Speaker 4: It is me.
Speaker 3: I didn't bring a picture of somebody else. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: guess this is the year nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 4: No, okay, what is it?
Speaker 3: I was born in seventy eight. Okay, Steve's got the
Speaker 3: advantage of math on his side here.
Speaker 4: It's like two thousand. Oh, okay, what year was it?
Speaker 2: Ninety seven? Steve wins he's the closest. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: was my first hunting trip out west. My dad took
Speaker 2: me out to Wyoming. I think we were out by Gillette,
Speaker 2: and we were with some other Latvian fellas. They had
Speaker 2: done this hunt quite a few times, and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember we drove out in a like an eighty
Speaker 2: seven Chevy Blazer, and we had it set up where
Speaker 2: you could sleep in the back, so while one guy drove,
Speaker 2: the other guy could lay down and sleep in the back.
Speaker 2: Not very safe, you know, but we got it done.
Speaker 2: Cool thing about this particular hunt is that we did
Speaker 2: kind of a soft push on these prong horn to
Speaker 2: get him to move by us. And I was actually
Speaker 2: being sort of semi guided by a fellow that unfortunately
Speaker 2: is no longer with us, Pete silton Man's just passed
Speaker 2: in the last year, and he was one of the
Speaker 2: landowners up there in Wisconsin where I hunt, and he
Speaker 2: was right with me. He set me up and we
Speaker 2: I think I got prone. I think I had a bipod.
Speaker 2: There's a bipod on that rifle, isn't there?
Speaker 3: It looks like it.
Speaker 4: And I was back and everybody had a hairs biped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what that is on that rifle, the
Speaker 3: springs on their Yeah, yeah, well it works out perfect.
Speaker 3: We're sitting there, Prone said. I mean, we were just
Speaker 3: in some sage and the whole herd comes by it
Speaker 3: like one hundred, one hundred and fifty yards, you know,
Speaker 3: And finally this buck is there, and.
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, shoot him.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I flipped the safety click. I hadn't chambered one, and
Speaker 2: so A chambered one and then shot the buck. But
Speaker 2: there was a few moments there where I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what Pete was saying behind me, but he got
Speaker 2: quite flustered with me that I hadn't didn't have a
Speaker 2: round in the gun.
Speaker 3: And What I really love is it looks like you're
Speaker 3: wearing mass Yoke bottom land. Oh hell yeah. Did you
Speaker 3: have a lot of that back in your day?
Speaker 2: No, no, it was I wasn't into it enough to
Speaker 2: know that that was Massiolk bottom lands. It was a
Speaker 2: shirt that I think my dad had grown out of.
Speaker 2: Is along with those pants. I still own those pants
Speaker 2: and I can still fit into those pants. Oh so
Speaker 2: I was nineteen then I can still. I still have
Speaker 2: those pants there. They're Winchester brush pants and they have
Speaker 2: this very shiny, loud nylon on the front of the chap.
Speaker 2: I guess of them, but I still have those. They
Speaker 2: sit in a drawer every now and then I put
Speaker 2: them on. I don't know for why, but yeah, that
Speaker 2: was before I got contacts too, when I still wore
Speaker 2: glasses every day.
Speaker 3: That looks like an aniloe punting picture from nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: Sure does, all right, Next one, I'll go next.
Speaker 4: This is a big old bot in South Dakota. I
Speaker 4: found it floating dead on the beach I was. I
Speaker 4: was a sophomore in college.
Speaker 3: I killed that buck on some public land on a
Speaker 3: near a big body of water. Has a Harris bipod
Speaker 3: on there as well. I did have one. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that one was a Harris bipod or not.
Speaker 3: But here's here's what I'll always remember about that haunt
Speaker 3: more than that mule. That morning before sunrise, in my headlight,
Speaker 3: I saw an Eastern spotted skunk. Now, if you don't know,
Speaker 3: those are super rare, and like South Dakota is at
Speaker 3: the very edge of their habitat. Many states have them
Speaker 3: listed is threatened or vulnerable. And a cool thing about
Speaker 3: the spotted skunks is that game agencies rely on trappers
Speaker 3: to track their population. Steve yann Erie Boy is familiar
Speaker 3: with like an Eastern spotted skunk? Oh yeah, I am, yeah,
Speaker 3: never caught one, and I looked this up shortly after
Speaker 3: I had saw him. In Missouri, for example, spotted skunk
Speaker 3: populations plummeted by ninety nine percent from the nineteen fifties
Speaker 3: to the nineteen eighties. In Minnesota, there were twenty thousand
Speaker 3: spotted skunks harvested in nineteen forty six. By nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: five it was less than one thousand, and in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety two it was just four. So their populations have
Speaker 3: crashed and I didn't exactly know what I was looking
Speaker 3: at when I saw that spotted skunk. My dad was
Speaker 3: with me, and he had said, that's a SIV cat.
Speaker 3: Did you hear them called? Yeah, civid cat a cat.
Speaker 3: He was a big trapper, so he was also tickled
Speaker 3: to see that spotted skunk. Now, unlike stripe skunks, strip
Speaker 3: skunks have done a great job of adapting to cattle
Speaker 3: and crops and humans, spotted skunks have not. They need
Speaker 3: old growth pine and oak forests for their protection, so
Speaker 3: they have the right food. And the cool thing about
Speaker 3: them is it's like very cartoony, but they do a
Speaker 3: handstand when they're gonna spray, and that's how they aim
Speaker 3: their spray or to hit their target if they feel threatened,
Speaker 3: so they do a little handstand, aim their butt right
Speaker 3: at you, and that's how they hit you on like
Speaker 3: a stripe skunk which would just turn around and spray you.
Speaker 3: And Phil now has a map.
Speaker 4: He showed a picture, but then talked about something besides
Speaker 4: the picture.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, when I look at that photo, what
Speaker 3: I think of is seeing that stripe that spotted skunk,
Speaker 3: Because it was that morning, a few hours before I
Speaker 3: killed that buck, I saw that spotted skunk. So that's
Speaker 3: what I always think of when I think of that haunter,
Speaker 3: think of that deer, think of that picture.
Speaker 4: It would be like if I showed you this calendar
Speaker 4: and started talking about my computer.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, hey, you could do that. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: have some memories that that are of your computer when
Speaker 3: you look at that calendar. Phil has a a map
Speaker 3: book that spotted skunk distribution that shows you how many
Speaker 3: times they've been recorded from the year two thousand to
Speaker 3: the year twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: It's got to be a path like a pathological like,
Speaker 4: there's a pathology thing. What do you mean, Are you
Speaker 4: sure it's not some kind of virus.
Speaker 3: Or habitat loss. I was looking this up last night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's other things, like they probably have some
Speaker 3: food disappear, but they just they're not as adaptable as
Speaker 3: other small man.
Speaker 4: So you have like the spread of raccoons and possums
Speaker 4: going in the other direction. I just have a hard
Speaker 4: time believing that it could be habitat and not some
Speaker 4: kind of pathological or competition.
Speaker 3: Is I'll send you the articles I read. They were adamant,
Speaker 3: adamant that it is about the habitat loss.
Speaker 2: So if you look at that map where the greater
Speaker 2: occurrences are, it is in some pretty rough country right
Speaker 2: like along the ridge of the apple Acians, and then
Speaker 2: in that eastern South Dakota region and then in the Ozarks.
Speaker 2: Right that's the Ozarks I'm looking at.
Speaker 3: Probably the only spotted skunk I'll ever see was. I
Speaker 3: was thrilled to have that sighting, an encounter, one of
Speaker 3: those see if your next let's let's see your photo
Speaker 3: for throwback there say.
Speaker 4: Well, so this is at my house where I grew up.
Speaker 4: My mom still lives there. The guy down the shore,
Speaker 4: so from lookers left down the shore was an old timer,
Speaker 4: John Gary. And John Gary was kind of one of
Speaker 4: my main fishing mentors when I was a little kid.
Speaker 4: He was a World War two guy like my dad.
Speaker 4: He he kept he would keep track of every book
Speaker 4: he read on in a journal, and he keep track
Speaker 4: of how much he fished on a journal. And he
Speaker 4: fished two hundred and fifty days a year. But he
Speaker 4: lived by himself, which raises the question how do you
Speaker 4: eat all those fish? Because he didn't throw any kind
Speaker 4: of fish back. Huh, Well, he's he's gone. Now, all
Speaker 4: the players are gone. Here, I'm gonna commit. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: admit to a series of crimes.
Speaker 3: Could you describe the photo first? For people who are
Speaker 3: just listening.
Speaker 4: I'm holding up to snap, I'm holding up to ten
Speaker 4: pounds snap turtles.
Speaker 3: What year is this?
Speaker 4: I was in high school. It's like it's like ninety
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety. So John Gary explains to me, aardy kind
Speaker 4: of knew it. But one time he told me he
Speaker 4: made introduction. He was selling his fish to a fish market.
Speaker 4: And I remember when he told me the story. He
Speaker 4: told me, when you're buying something from blank fish market,
Speaker 4: he's got his thumb on the scale. Oh, he said,
Speaker 4: when you're selling something to blank fish market, he's got
Speaker 4: a finger under the scale, but it ain't his thumb. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he went like that for you people at home,
Speaker 4: I'm raising my middle finger up Michigan Hello.
Speaker 3: But that's not the nice Michigan hud.
Speaker 4: So John Gary turned me on to this scamm he
Speaker 4: had going. We went out and dipped. One time he
Speaker 4: went out and dipped forty gallons of smell and that
Speaker 4: was a crime. No, okay, smelt season. Tell me when
Speaker 4: we get to the crimea what happened. As soon as
Speaker 4: we dipped him, I sold him to the guy bucket gallon,
Speaker 4: which were like, we went out smell dipping burn burned
Speaker 4: a bunch of gasket into pent water, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden we sold forty gallons of smell for a
Speaker 4: bucket gallon. That's illegal, Okay, We're like dumb rednecks. So
Speaker 4: he then the guy says, well, here's what else I'm
Speaker 4: looking for, and he wanted snapping turtles. You could get
Speaker 4: a commercial license at that time for turtles for like
Speaker 4: next to nothing. I just figured that since you could
Speaker 4: get a commercial license, it must be okay. So I
Speaker 4: set the trap in turtles big time.
Speaker 3: How'd you trap them?
Speaker 4: I've made my own cage traps out of hogwire i'd
Speaker 4: make I'd make traps double doors, sometimes sometimes single door.
Speaker 4: I'd bait them with you guessed it, John Gary's fish heads.
Speaker 4: John Garrett Freeze all of his small mouthheads. I would
Speaker 4: take the small mouth heads. I'd bait turtle traps. And
Speaker 4: I started trapped turtles like a mofo. And this I
Speaker 4: was buying them for me A buck of pound dressed
Speaker 4: the turtle. YEP. So all I had to do was
Speaker 4: he wanted everything attached to the plaster, and he wanted
Speaker 4: everything attached to the lower shell. He wanted the top
Speaker 4: shell and the guts gone.
Speaker 3: So if you had a ten pound turtle, what did
Speaker 3: he weigh after he was dressed?
Speaker 4: You know what it wound up being. I can't remember
Speaker 4: what he paid me, but it wound up being the
Speaker 4: turtles worth about ten bucks. Yeah, I can't remember. I
Speaker 4: feel like I was gonna say a buck of pound,
Speaker 4: but a turtle is about ten bucks. But I had
Speaker 4: some giant turtles. I caught a thirty pounder one time,
Speaker 4: but I sold that to a different guy. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I was just law breaking. The thing is, I never
Speaker 4: would have gotten a Lacey Act violation because it was
Speaker 4: all in state. Terrible.
Speaker 3: What did these guys do with the turtles?
Speaker 4: They just he would sell anything. He would buy anything
Speaker 4: on the black market that he could have a play
Speaker 4: ausible explanation for how he got it. So you had
Speaker 4: tribal in the Great Lakes, you had tribal fisheries for walleye,
Speaker 4: You had tribal fisheries for yellow perch, you had tribal fisheries.
Speaker 4: He could buy bluegill from aquaculture places. He could buy
Speaker 4: snapping turtle from aquaculture places. So he'd buy anything that
Speaker 4: he could have and it wouldn't be crazy that he
Speaker 4: had it. He wasn't going to buy largemouth bass flays
Speaker 4: off because people like, where the hell did you get
Speaker 4: large mouth bass plays from? Okay, So what year was
Speaker 4: that photo? You think ninety ninety ninety one?
Speaker 3: Head to YouTube you'll want to see. I love that
Speaker 3: picture of Steve. He he didn't he.
Speaker 4: Cut say one last little tidbit. We had a big
Speaker 4: storage if you go down from there like lookers nutsack
Speaker 4: like down below the picture. We have this storage area
Speaker 4: that my dad made us build one summer out of
Speaker 4: out of block and I used to when I catch turtles,
Speaker 4: I'd put him in there until I had a bunch
Speaker 4: to clean them. And one time my mom left the
Speaker 4: door open for turtles everywhere, like a lot of them
Speaker 4: made a break for it and got into lake and
Speaker 4: there was turtles that just went the wrong direction. But
Speaker 4: it was surprising how well those turtles never haven't been there,
Speaker 4: new downhill gone.
Speaker 3: You know, did you catch other kinds of turtles doing
Speaker 3: this too?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 4: Only snappers? Man, You know, I could get all kinds
Speaker 4: of turtles in there. No, and it was really good,
Speaker 4: like it was lights out, like season would open June fifteenth.
Speaker 4: It was lights out for a month later Michigan went
Speaker 4: and changed to opening a turtle to July fifteen, which
Speaker 4: sits now. It's hard. It's hard to catch a turtle
Speaker 4: from mid July on it's lights out June fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're listening to this, you'll want a head
Speaker 3: to YouTube. You can see Steve's photo from nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: when he was a criminal, my picture from college in
Speaker 3: twenty twelve, and Yanni's Annalo punting picture from nineteen nine.
Speaker 4: Can I say one last thing about John Gary? Last thing?
Speaker 4: After I sold my first book, I felt like I
Speaker 4: was loaded and I was over at John Gary's. He
Speaker 4: was old and John Gary made a deal with me,
Speaker 4: and I didn't take it seriously, but it was a
Speaker 4: serious deal. We're sitting in his house and he said,
Speaker 4: I will sell you this house and everything inside of
Speaker 4: this house down to my shoes, for seventy five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: The deal is I keep it till I'm dead. And
Speaker 4: he was serious because he wanted money to be able
Speaker 4: to travel how long did you think about this offer
Speaker 4: a bit? But I didn't think about it seriously enough.
Speaker 4: Then later he passed his away in the house sells
Speaker 4: for seven hundred thousand dollars. Several hundred thousand dollars is
Speaker 4: on the beach. Yeah, could have been. I remember that detail,
Speaker 4: right down to my shoes and he pointed to his shoes.
Speaker 4: You could have had his shoes, everything, seventy five grand.
Speaker 4: He wanted it in cash, all right. That was throwback Thursday.
Speaker 4: Moving on.
Speaker 3: Joining us on the line last is Mitchell Black, a
Speaker 3: journalist from the Post and Courier newspaper. He's been covering
Speaker 3: the story of how forty three female monkeys escaped a
Speaker 3: research facility in South Carolina. Mitchell, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing. Thanks for having me doing good.
Speaker 3: First thing, tell us about the facility that these monkeys
Speaker 3: escaped from.
Speaker 9: Sure, so, Alpha Genesis. It's a primate breeding and research
Speaker 9: facility in MSSE, South Carolina. And if you don't know
Speaker 9: where air that at is, that is sort of on
Speaker 9: the southeastern corner of the state what a lot of
Speaker 9: people might think of as a murdic country. And so
Speaker 9: this facility they primarily breed monkeys to be sold to
Speaker 9: the government into private companies for testing, and they also
Speaker 9: perform tests themselves.
Speaker 1: They have a few.
Speaker 9: Different locations around the low Country and the MSc themsel itself.
Speaker 9: They've got close to seven thousand monkeys. The town has
Speaker 9: a thousand people, so it's like a six to one
Speaker 9: monkey to town person ratio.
Speaker 1: Over there.
Speaker 9: So you know, a lot out of the monkeys in
Speaker 9: that facility and you know people can see them from
Speaker 9: the road and k ages. It's part of living in
Speaker 9: ms is having the these monkeys around.
Speaker 3: And what purpose do these monkeys serve?
Speaker 9: So it's a little bit they the facility is contracted
Speaker 9: for breeding, so you know, these monkeys are bred and
Speaker 9: that and so old to do different companies and the
Speaker 9: government for science and testing. And then they also perform
Speaker 9: some research on them themselves. And you know, if you
Speaker 9: look at at some of the work that company has done,
Speaker 9: you know they talk about outfit they use the monkeys
Speaker 9: for studies in vaccine development, therapeutic drug therapies, and.
Speaker 1: Some surgical procedures.
Speaker 9: You know, we're still looking to learn a little bit
Speaker 9: more about the specifics there. You know, one important thing
Speaker 9: to note is that you know these monkeys. Per their CEO,
Speaker 9: they're juveniles, so there are too young to be tested on,
Speaker 9: which is one of the reasons that they say that,
Speaker 9: you know, people shouldn't be all that scared, but they
Speaker 9: should still steer clear because you know, monkeys can be
Speaker 9: skittish and they'll just scamper off in the trees if
Speaker 9: you end up, you know, trying to give it a
Speaker 9: big old hug.
Speaker 3: All right, tell us about the escape. How did it
Speaker 3: come to be that forty three monkeys got loose in town?
Speaker 9: Sure, so it was in the middle of the day,
Speaker 9: the day after election day and so, you know, well
Speaker 9: people are still learning about what the results are of
Speaker 9: the election. A caretaker went into a facility, into the
Speaker 9: facility in ym See, and they were cleaning their enclosure,
Speaker 9: and they left the doors unsecured, and there was a
Speaker 9: jail break. Forty three monkeys out the door, and a
Speaker 9: lot lot of them have been hanging out in the
Speaker 9: area right by the facility. But you know, there were
Speaker 9: some reports of a monkey five miles down the road
Speaker 9: a few days into. It took a few days for
Speaker 9: the facility to start to bring the monkeys back into
Speaker 9: the fold because it was raining down here.
Speaker 1: And the monkey's kind of hunkered down in the trees.
Speaker 9: That made it difficult for them to catch, you know,
Speaker 9: because they're just didn't want to get wet.
Speaker 3: And how how many have they caught so far? Then,
Speaker 3: it's been it's been about ten days or so since
Speaker 3: it's happened.
Speaker 9: It's been it's been, yeah, it's been eight days. And
Speaker 9: so they've caught they've caught thirty five monkeys. There's still
Speaker 9: eight that are on the loose, and uh, you know,
Speaker 9: trying to learn about where exactly the os aar. I'm
Speaker 9: not sure or if they're or by the facility or
Speaker 9: if they're elsewhere, but residents are instructed to, uh, you know,
Speaker 9: call the police.
Speaker 1: If they have a monkey sighting.
Speaker 9: And you know, as a reporter, we're all always started
Speaker 9: of looking at different announcements from the police department and
Speaker 9: police reports, and you know, you see things like traffic
Speaker 9: accident okay, you know, if there's a break in okay. Uh,
Speaker 9: and so you know, we're looking and we get an
Speaker 9: email it's from one of the local lawenforcement agencies a
Speaker 9: week or so ago. It's like, you know, all these
Speaker 9: monkeys that have been broken out of the cilion, Well
Speaker 9: you know that's a story. So you know, we start
Speaker 9: making calls and you know, here we are a week
Speaker 9: or so later.
Speaker 4: Is the climate suitable for those monkeys? Like? Is it
Speaker 4: plausible that if you just left them alone that they
Speaker 4: would find not only the right temperatures but food sources
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean, like, could you feasibly
Speaker 4: have a feral population of monkeys in this area?
Speaker 9: Well, so there is a there is an island where
Speaker 9: a lot of these monkeys live just off the coast there.
Speaker 9: What I'll say is that these monkeys there, so there
Speaker 9: are resus macaques and they're typically found in South Asia,
Speaker 9: but they have been living in captivity so uh and
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 1: Have been dependent on people eating them.
Speaker 9: So uh, it's hard to say whether or they could
Speaker 9: just simply exist in the wild, you know, given that, uh,
Speaker 9: you know they a bit in living in cages for
Speaker 9: most of their life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean outside of these individual monkeys particular
Speaker 4: skill sets, what I mean is is the climate in
Speaker 4: South Carolina suitable for the monkeys or are they freezing
Speaker 4: their asses right now?
Speaker 9: Well? Right now, right now it's pretty warm, but it's
Speaker 9: gonna it's getting colder. Or at night, you know, uh so, uh,
Speaker 9: it's still pretty warm right now. I don't own you know,
Speaker 9: in terms of like me walking around, it's not not
Speaker 9: quite at you know, mitches freezing at his ass off
Speaker 9: temperature yet, so you know, trying to not not completely
Speaker 9: sure if they are you know, how they are going
Speaker 9: to do in colder temperatures, but you know that that's
Speaker 9: another good question, all right.
Speaker 3: And just a second, Mitchell is going to tell us
Speaker 3: about how they have captured thirty five of the forty
Speaker 3: three monkeys. But Steve, you're a trapper. If you were
Speaker 3: tasked with catching these forty three monkeys, how would you
Speaker 3: do it?
Speaker 4: Oh? Man, I got no idea. I don't know enough
Speaker 4: about them. Where would you start though?
Speaker 3: What do you think? Live traps?
Speaker 4: I imagine, yeah, live traps and maybe Mercer Longes bobcat cages.
Speaker 4: And then you'd have to put the mechanism you could
Speaker 4: figure that a little sucker in there with his fingers.
Speaker 9: Huh.
Speaker 4: You'd have to put the trigger mechanism up against some wall. Okay,
Speaker 4: so he can't fiddle with that, But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not that into monkeys, to be honest with.
Speaker 3: You, Mitchell, how are they doing and how have they
Speaker 3: caught the thirty five monkeys so far.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So they're they're using these traps that are called
Speaker 9: have a heart trap. So they are one of these
Speaker 9: things where if you think of like a cage that
Speaker 9: has an opening enclosure and then sort of swinging door
Speaker 9: where and they have food on the other side, the
Speaker 9: monkey walks into the cage, tries to get the food,
Speaker 9: door swings closed, and that that's what they are using.
Speaker 9: The other part part of it is that a lot
Speaker 9: of the monkeys are around the facility and they're just
Speaker 9: kind of.
Speaker 1: Hoping that they return home. You know, there was actually
Speaker 1: another estate. Yeah, there's another I really need to do it.
Speaker 4: He's like, I want to get back to that place
Speaker 4: where they're going to experiment out of me. Huh, And
Speaker 4: I got to live in that little box.
Speaker 9: There are a lot of people who are waiting in here,
Speaker 9: and it's not uncommon to see on social media people
Speaker 9: saying let them be free.
Speaker 3: But this facility has a history of similar incidents, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So there was another split, if you will, in
Speaker 9: twenty sixteen when nineteen monkeys escaped from the facility, but
Speaker 9: they returned home six hours later. Twenty six monkeys left
Speaker 9: the facility also in twenty fourteen and actually earlier this year,
Speaker 9: not related to this facility, but you know a few
Speaker 9: miles up the road, there was a monkey who's someone's
Speaker 9: pet who got out and was wandering around the streets
Speaker 9: of Walterborough, which is in the area in Carlton County,
Speaker 9: and so that led to a multiple o day.
Speaker 1: Monkey hunt.
Speaker 9: Or you know, they were not trying to kill the monkey,
Speaker 9: of course, but attempt to try to bring the monkey
Speaker 9: back to its owners. So there's been a lot a
Speaker 9: lot of monkey he escapes down here. You know, a
Speaker 9: lot of monkey coverage going on.
Speaker 3: All right, last question here, Mitchell, what is the community's
Speaker 3: added toward told the toward the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Are they angry?
Speaker 3: Are they amused? Are they scared?
Speaker 9: So, you know, there are some people who live in
Speaker 9: places where they've got like a cap who comes into
Speaker 9: their backyard, you know, or you know, in some other
Speaker 9: places they'll have.
Speaker 1: Like deer or bears. That's sort of the attitude.
Speaker 9: And you know, in the deer the bear, they come
Speaker 9: in and you know, you sort of get used to
Speaker 9: seeing them. That's sort of the attitude that locals have
Speaker 9: about out these monkeys, like it's not amen for people
Speaker 9: to say like, oh, I saw them in a tree.
Speaker 9: Oh there was a few years back where I saw
Speaker 9: a monkey sort of trapes them through my yard, and
Speaker 9: so there there's a little bit of amusemusement, but also frankly, uh,
Speaker 9: you know, this is a small town and it's a
Speaker 9: big facility, and so it does a lot to contribute
Speaker 9: to the economy.
Speaker 1: So there's a little little bit of an amusement.
Speaker 9: But you know, there, I wouldn't say that a lot
Speaker 9: of the anger that we've heard, which are you know,
Speaker 9: typically coming from animal rights organizations, that's not as much
Speaker 9: coming from the locals.
Speaker 1: That we've spoken to.
Speaker 3: A right Mitchell. You can follow his coverage on the
Speaker 3: Post in Courier newspaper.
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining.
Speaker 3: Thanks Mitchell.
Speaker 4: I tell you what if my kids caught one of
Speaker 4: those monkeys and I told them what was gonna happen
Speaker 4: to that monkey if we brought it back home, that
Speaker 4: monkey's come and live with us. There's no way the
Speaker 4: pet monkeys.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's no way that we guys on the
Speaker 3: podcast talk to somebody about monkey facilities.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there was they're trying to open more of
Speaker 4: these monkey breeding farms.
Speaker 3: Uh huh and locals.
Speaker 4: That's the that's the main thing I'm thinking about right now,
Speaker 4: because this is a hot issue in Florida. Is that
Speaker 4: was that what this was happening Carolina.
Speaker 1: But there's Georgia.
Speaker 4: That's where they're trying to open anyways, they're they're trying
Speaker 4: to make because there's a real shortage of these research monkeys,
Speaker 4: so they're trying to open new monkey farms, and locals
Speaker 4: are pissed. Yeah, and now the locals are going to
Speaker 4: be able to use this sure right and turn around
Speaker 4: and be like, such as what's going on over there?
Speaker 4: That's what we're talking about. We don't want that.
Speaker 3: That's a level of nimby not in my backyard that
Speaker 3: I'd be comfortable with.
Speaker 4: That's a mimby. I don't need a monkey in my backyard.
Speaker 2: There you go, Really you're really worried about, like, what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen?
Speaker 3: Worried? They just said they just go right back to
Speaker 3: the facility after a week.
Speaker 4: I'd rather be in Texas. It's a good spot for it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know. If my neighbor
Speaker 4: was raising monkeys, I don't know. I'd hope they got
Speaker 4: away all right.
Speaker 3: That brings us'd be like one of his monkeys in
Speaker 3: my yard. That brings us to the end of the show. Phil,
Speaker 3: let's get some final listen.
Speaker 4: That's the end of the show.
Speaker 3: That's the end of the show. We're gonna get some
Speaker 3: final listening feedback. You want to keep going.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, last call for questions. A little sparse on questions.
Speaker 6: The more specific the better, too. We're getting a lot
Speaker 6: of like, hey, any hunting tips, don't do that a
Speaker 6: little more specific. But this one question is that provider outdoors,
Speaker 6: whether from the cookbook or not, you guys have a
Speaker 6: favorite antelope recipe.
Speaker 4: I'd use I I if you look at our cookbooks,
Speaker 4: we instead of saying it's a mule deer recipe, it's
Speaker 4: a whitetail recipe, we do like horned and antlered game.
Speaker 4: I don't This isn't quite answering the question. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: worry about what it is. I would treat it like
Speaker 4: horned an antlered game. If there's a great venison recipe
Speaker 4: you like, if there's a great moose recipe you like, Hell,
Speaker 4: there's a great lamb rescue you like, I would make
Speaker 4: that recipe, I would not care what it was. The
Speaker 4: cut of the animal and the recipe matter more than
Speaker 4: what the animal was when it comes to that.
Speaker 2: Just the other night, I cooked out the fresh backstrap
Speaker 2: from that male whitetail buck I just killed in Wisconsin
Speaker 2: by slicing the backstraps into roughly, I don't know, half
Speaker 2: inch three quarter inch slices, pounding them lightly, salting and
Speaker 2: peppering them, then dusting them in flour, and then pan
Speaker 2: frying them in uh, you know, a light quarter inch
Speaker 2: of oil and.
Speaker 3: A little bit of butter in there.
Speaker 2: Then I made a nice pan gravy, had some potatoes
Speaker 2: and asparagus in the oven, and poured it all over it.
Speaker 2: I did it with white tail, but I'm sure that
Speaker 2: it would be delicious with the backstrap from a prong
Speaker 2: horn as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any venison recipes on our website are gonna work
Speaker 3: just fine. To be more specific, Danielle Pruett has an
Speaker 3: antelope sausage recipe on the meat eater dot Com where
Speaker 3: she really leans into the sage flavor profile, which a
Speaker 3: lot of folks say that antelope meat tends to taste
Speaker 3: like I think when people taste that it's because they
Speaker 3: were like quartering it up in the field and laid
Speaker 3: the hind quarterage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an oily plant.
Speaker 6: Braiden, Steve is or scratch that reverse it. Steve Braiden
Speaker 6: is asking what's the hardest part of writing a book?
Speaker 4: Writing it? There's a quote I think it might have
Speaker 4: been Garrison Keeler had this quote. Someone had this quote
Speaker 4: that writing a book is like driving at night. You
Speaker 4: can only see as far as what is illuminated by
Speaker 4: your headlights, but you keep driving and driving and driving
Speaker 4: and driving and driving and driving and driving, and finally
Speaker 4: you get there. That's your experience as well. Oh hah.
Speaker 6: Tory is wondering the weirdest thing you've ever used as
Speaker 6: bait for fishing?
Speaker 4: This is what I would like to have used this bait,
Speaker 4: and what I've used this bait.
Speaker 3: I've leaned into the weird catfish baits before for channel
Speaker 3: cats and flatheads. Soap that was a sexy one about
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago where your doory magazines would talk about.
Speaker 3: It has a strong scent. You think about if you'd
Speaker 3: have soap and water. You watch the sort of this
Speaker 3: oil skim anything with like you take a hunk of
Speaker 3: meat and soak it in cherry kool aid. That's been
Speaker 3: something that was heavily promoted for catfish baits. So doing
Speaker 3: the weird things like that, using like a kool Aid
Speaker 3: marinade or soap for catfish.
Speaker 4: Yehanni, anything weird?
Speaker 3: Not that I can remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got nothing. No, if it was trapping bait.
Speaker 3: What else you got?
Speaker 6: Here's something you can either set the record straight on
Speaker 6: or agree with. But pippin Is says, what's the mediator's
Speaker 6: thoughts on the deer population? The northern part of Wisconsin?
Speaker 6: Seems the lack of deer is correlated to the wolf
Speaker 6: population according to the locals. Any insight y, Just.
Speaker 4: No, there's no way, it's not There's no way it's
Speaker 4: not impacting that. I mean, they're they eat seven pounds
Speaker 4: of meat a day. It's like, of course it's having
Speaker 4: an impact. Is it the only thing? Certainly not? Is
Speaker 4: it a thing? Yeah, that's all I.
Speaker 3: Got to say about it.
Speaker 6: Perfect spencer. Someone just asked if someone can win the
Speaker 6: trivia question of the week more than once, trying to
Speaker 6: find that one.
Speaker 3: But if I don't, they can't.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 4: I think he's trying to point out that he's won it, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see I don't recognize name that I've seen
Speaker 3: before often enough. So yeah, if you're someone who hasn't
Speaker 3: sent me a hundred emails, Uh, that could certainly happen again. Yes,
Speaker 3: anything else, Phil.
Speaker 6: I think I think we're good. Okay, it's our longest
Speaker 6: show yet.
Speaker 3: I think that we had We had a lot of
Speaker 3: moments where someone would declare, hey, can I do we
Speaker 3: have a moment where I can talk about this?
Speaker 4: So it made it.
Speaker 3: You said yeah, a little longer than normal, that's right.
Speaker 3: What would happen if I didn't say yes? Oh said okay,
Speaker 3: and that's it.
Speaker 4: I said, don't try to talk when I'm doing something.
Speaker 3: Okay. I'm glad I didn't shut him down. That brings
Speaker 3: us to the end of this week's episode of Media
Speaker 3: to Radio Live. We'll see you back your same time
Speaker 3: and place seven.
Speaker 4: Thanks everybody, thanks for watching you