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Speaker 1: I am Greg Susman. Gentlemen, General, Sir gel Man. What's
Speaker 1: going on? Man? How much great you? How you doing today?
Speaker 1: I'm new for woll Man. It's Friday. First off, Yes,
Speaker 1: t G I f as usual. Thank god it's Friday.
Speaker 1: Heading into this weekend. It's gonna be a fun weekend.
Speaker 1: I got four drafts in two days, so it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a great time. But before we get into the
Speaker 1: wide receivers, Greg late round wide receivers. What a game
Speaker 1: last night? Man, what a game? What a slobber knocker
Speaker 1: and offensive Juggernaut surprise you what's up? And I watched
Speaker 1: a lot of this game competitions on watch it. There
Speaker 1: are no making competitions on. So Judy had like a
Speaker 1: lot of food stuff on the DVR, like Beat Brunch
Speaker 1: with Bobby as well as the Kitchen, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't watch this tonight. So there's not there was
Speaker 1: nothing on TV last night at all. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to watch from Netflix stuff, but you didn't watch the
Speaker 1: shows that I was watching. So I was floating back
Speaker 1: before and fourth between football and old game shows, you
Speaker 1: know what I I mean? Game shows. So I was watching Supermarket,
Speaker 1: Sweep Card, Sharks, Press your Luck, and watch all of
Speaker 1: those exactly. It was awesome. And then we're also watching
Speaker 1: the football game, and man, Nick fols terrible, Like I
Speaker 1: can't have believe this dude on a Super Bowl. He's awful.
Speaker 1: Not just win a super Bowl, he won the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Relly Special, Greggy Philly special last night. And I
Speaker 1: get it. They were playing with the twos and whatnot,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of the decisions Nick Foles made
Speaker 1: was horrific, absolutely horrific. It was gross. But I can't
Speaker 1: they made the Browns look like the steel curtain they did,
Speaker 1: I can't know. I came out with a lot of
Speaker 1: hot takes and takeaways from this game now, like I
Speaker 1: feel very I feel like I know a lot about
Speaker 1: the eat. Number one, Nick Foles sucks. Its great takeaway, right. Uh?
Speaker 1: Number two when small and pretty good, it look pretty
Speaker 1: good when small is player on number three? That jone
Speaker 1: is not going to pick his team. I don't think so. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: number four, that returner slash wide receiver who wore number
Speaker 1: two last night for the Eagles. Don't make the team
Speaker 1: give me their kick returner. He's pretty good. I love
Speaker 1: that you have like on the bubble stuff happening right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's to the Eagles. Frick Susman's on the bubble takes
Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Eagles. Anything for the Browns. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: the Browns. Defense are gonna be good. Defense is violent,
Speaker 1: They are always looking at the turnovers. Browns are sleeper
Speaker 1: defenses here. I actually don't think that's a bad take
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, given Myles Garrett, what the main
Speaker 1: thing you need on a defense? Obviously, is an elite
Speaker 1: pass rusher, and I think we're gonna see Myles Garrett
Speaker 1: come into his own this year. Obviously we know the
Speaker 1: pedigree how early he was taken in the draft. You
Speaker 1: couple that with the fact that they tried to add
Speaker 1: to the secondary they drafted Denzel Award as early as
Speaker 1: they did, and they have solid linebackers who they have
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins, they have pieces along that defensive line to
Speaker 1: work with Myles Garrett. So I think everything that you're
Speaker 1: saying it's true. I think there can be a sleeper defense.
Speaker 1: Sleeper defense there you get to play the Bengals and
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton twice. I like David and joking, I think
Speaker 1: he should be good this year. I would be a
Speaker 1: tight end one top twelve end orderline tight and one
Speaker 1: from me right now. Um and Jarvis Langer did be
Speaker 1: covered with targets, which which we already know. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of my takeaways from the Browns. I don't really
Speaker 1: have any Baker takeaways or Tyrod Taylor. Besides, he's tough.
Speaker 1: He's who's tough Baker and Baker. That injury did not
Speaker 1: look good. Initially, the wrist looked like he left the
Speaker 1: game his almost like dangling. Everyone speculating that he has
Speaker 1: a broken arm, but he did return to this game.
Speaker 1: I don't think either quarterback looked great by any means.
Speaker 1: I think that status quo the Eagles defense is very good.
Speaker 1: Carlos Hide looked very good once again. He had the
Speaker 1: thirty three yard run. Uh so good Greg that I
Speaker 1: saw him go in the fifth round of the Beat
Speaker 1: Frank Stanfeld Draft last night. Fifth round for Carl's Hide.
Speaker 1: How was the Beat Franks Delo Draft? It was interesting,
Speaker 1: it was fun. We had a surprise participant, Nando Dafino
Speaker 1: joined party, so that was a good time. It turned
Speaker 1: into beat Frank standfell and beat Nando Dafino. Um, and
Speaker 1: I did something I don't normally do. I drafted Rock
Speaker 1: Groundkowski in the third round. So we can get into
Speaker 1: that now, we can get into that later. What are
Speaker 1: you thinking? Well, you you mentioned right now, you mentioned
Speaker 1: the drafted to do it. Go go for it. Talk
Speaker 1: to talk to me about it. I know he texted
Speaker 1: it to me last night. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I like it pretty good? Oh you know, yes? So
Speaker 1: it was. It was a best ball format, twenty four rounds,
Speaker 1: full point PPR and I had the second overall pick,
Speaker 1: so I started with I started with Levian Bell and
Speaker 1: then I came back. I wasn't expecting this by any means,
Speaker 1: but A. J. Green is just there sitting around at
Speaker 1: pick twenty three. Great, so I ended up taking him.
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about him. I feel like
Speaker 1: he's one of the last elite wide receivers in that
Speaker 1: second round range. But Stefon Diggs went ahead of him,
Speaker 1: and Mike Evans went ahead of him as well. Um,
Speaker 1: And then in the third round right there, I didn't
Speaker 1: love so at the two three turn at pick twelve,
Speaker 1: Truck actually took uh And Howard and DeVante Freeman, so
Speaker 1: I might have taken one of those running backs with
Speaker 1: my third pick. And once they went UM, I was
Speaker 1: considering taking Doug Baldwin as well. It's something I've been
Speaker 1: saying that I would do if he's there on the
Speaker 1: two three turn, and I took Rob Gronkowski because I
Speaker 1: thought he was the best player available, So I was
Speaker 1: considering Doug Baldwin. I picked comes all the way back
Speaker 1: to me. I picked four crazy four or five parent
Speaker 1: I end up getting Doug Baldwin. Yeah, So that was
Speaker 1: that was a good time. I ended up with Doug
Speaker 1: Baldwin there, and then this is I mean, it would
Speaker 1: have been the perfect draft if this happened Greg, But
Speaker 1: so I'm picked two, it's the four or five swing
Speaker 1: I take. I take Doug Baldwin. There, truck goes ahead
Speaker 1: takes Corey Davis and his other pick Chris Hogan. And
Speaker 1: I asked him afterwards, I said, if I took Chris
Speaker 1: Hogan before Baldwin, would you have taken Baldwin? And he
Speaker 1: said yes, I had to choose, and I had Baldwin
Speaker 1: hire my ranking, so it's not even close. I'm happy
Speaker 1: I got Baldwin, but if I would have ended up
Speaker 1: with a j. Green Baldwin and Chris Hogan is my
Speaker 1: wide receivers, who's who's receiver? Much better than that? I
Speaker 1: took Josh Gordon with the very next pick, Dude. I
Speaker 1: mean the fact that Josh Corny give me that wide
Speaker 1: receiver one right and potentially so, and you have Gron
Speaker 1: the best time. Gordon has extreme right, and you have
Speaker 1: Levian Bell who did your RB to wind up being?
Speaker 1: So I ended up getting uh. I got Jamal Williams
Speaker 1: on the sixth seventh turn. It took Jamal Williams isak Row.
Speaker 1: That's great, dude, it seems great. Yeah, And you know
Speaker 1: some people, you know, I put the team out on
Speaker 1: Twitter and I showed it to like some of my friends,
Speaker 1: and we were chatting about it, and they were saying, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you'r r B two is not good. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I have Levan Bell in a PPR. I think you
Speaker 1: know he's gonna do enough where I don't need my
Speaker 1: r B two to be amazing. Ideally, yeah, you'd want
Speaker 1: it to be amazing. But in that third that early
Speaker 1: third round range, it was Jerick McKinnon, Derrick Henry, Alex Collins.
Speaker 1: I like Collins, don't get me wrong, but early third
Speaker 1: round um in a full point PPR, I don't know
Speaker 1: that I want to pull him up the draft board there.
Speaker 1: And then so I didn't like any of the running
Speaker 1: backs there. And then at the four or five swing,
Speaker 1: the best available running back greg was Lamar Miller. Lama
Speaker 1: Milla sucks, and you know I'm not doing that. And
Speaker 1: I didn't want to pull Marshall Lynch up the board
Speaker 1: to the early fifth the early fifth round in a
Speaker 1: full point PPR. So I'm like, you know what I'll
Speaker 1: just wait, I'll just take to my opinion the best
Speaker 1: player available. So I kind of did something I went
Speaker 1: against like position scarcity and I just kind of went
Speaker 1: for value based drafting. And this this brings up a
Speaker 1: question that I have for you. Um, it's a strategy discussion,
Speaker 1: Christma bona strategy reach sound the alarm? We sound the alarm?
Speaker 1: What is it? We have a strategy discussion? All right, right,
Speaker 1: so we can't talk about it. We'd just like to
Speaker 1: hear the rest of my draft. Not really anymore. I
Speaker 1: feel like the guy did a good board, okay, So
Speaker 1: I mean that's how it turned out. I got Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams Isaia Coil as my R B two's um, I
Speaker 1: ended up with like James Conner as a handcuff. I
Speaker 1: got rex burkehead as well. We were talking yesterday, Oh,
Speaker 1: how far does rex Burke had fallowed down the draft?
Speaker 1: I can tell you exactly where he felt to He
Speaker 1: fell to the eight nine turn in a full point
Speaker 1: PPR and the best ball was like, I'll take a
Speaker 1: shot on that. This was a guy that was going
Speaker 1: in the fifth round just a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I know he's dealing with the knee injury. But I figured,
Speaker 1: if I'm getting three rounds of a discount because of
Speaker 1: this knee injury right now, I'll take a shot if
Speaker 1: he can help me a few weeks throughout the season
Speaker 1: in the best ball format. I think that makes a
Speaker 1: ton of sense. I got Pierre Garson at some wide
Speaker 1: receiver depth. I ended up with both Cowboys wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I was like, look, one of these guys has to hit.
Speaker 1: And I don't really plan on taking Alan Hern's going
Speaker 1: into like every draft that I do, but I'm getting
Speaker 1: him as my wide receiver five a lot of the times,
Speaker 1: and I think he has a chance to be this
Speaker 1: team's wide receiver one overall. Don't get me wrong, I've
Speaker 1: taken shots on Gallop too, but I'm gonna continue to
Speaker 1: do that. If you're getting these players at your wide
Speaker 1: receiver five and they have the opportunity to be a
Speaker 1: team's wide receiver one. We don't know who it's gonna
Speaker 1: be between Gallup and Alan Hearns, but based on opportunity,
Speaker 1: I will take those guys as my wide receiver five.
Speaker 1: Do you want to have that discussion? Sound the alarm, Christmas,
Speaker 1: sounding the alarm. We have a strategy discussion coming, So
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Greg. I got into a
Speaker 1: discussion with one of my friends about this, and he
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, in the early third round, you know,
Speaker 1: I would have taken Alex Collins, I would have taken
Speaker 1: Royce Freeman. I'm pulling up the I'm pulling those running
Speaker 1: backs up the draft board. And I said, at some point,
Speaker 1: how far do you pull guys up the draft board
Speaker 1: just based on position scarcity? And I wanted to just
Speaker 1: ask you about this, like what would you have done?
Speaker 1: Would you have taken a grong, would you have taken
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, or would you pull a running back
Speaker 1: up the draft board? Because you know very well when
Speaker 1: you're on the turn, you can't really think about value
Speaker 1: too much because there's a lot of picks before it
Speaker 1: comes back to you. So if you don't take your
Speaker 1: running back there, you're gonna keep waiting and waiting. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I like how my team turned out, but I think
Speaker 1: it's a good strategy discussion. Should you pull running backs
Speaker 1: up the board if you're on the turn just based
Speaker 1: on position scarcity or take the best value available? Right? So,
Speaker 1: so I think format obviously depends is very dependent on
Speaker 1: this answer. Right, this is football and pr and the
Speaker 1: best ball. So I think it's a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: You could take some shots at that RB two spot, um,
Speaker 1: which is what you did in Jamal Williams and Isaia
Speaker 1: Karrell worked out really well for you. I think you
Speaker 1: really do have to take the best player available more
Speaker 1: more often than not, and then try and figure it out. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of talked about this a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of the drafting in my
Speaker 1: my home league, and I'm going to take the best
Speaker 1: running back, the best wide receiver available, and then in
Speaker 1: three four I don't think I need to take either one.
Speaker 1: I think I can take the best player. And for me,
Speaker 1: like if Gronk happens to be there at the end
Speaker 1: of the third round, which he won't be, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take him right like it's too good a value,
Speaker 1: not too And I think the same holds true. And
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'll never think about this in a
Speaker 1: million years, but if I'm drafting at the end of
Speaker 1: the third round, early fourth and I got like Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is still there, how am I not gonna take
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the fourth round. I have to.
Speaker 1: You know, it's easy. It goes against everything we believe in,
Speaker 1: but the value at that point is too good. So
Speaker 1: I'm all about value. I'm all about I don't care
Speaker 1: about the position for the most part. Um I would
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you did. Aaron Rodgers is actually
Speaker 1: there in the early fifth round. I would have taken him,
Speaker 1: and I strongly considered it. But I thought of it
Speaker 1: like this. How often do you draft a team where
Speaker 1: you take a tight end and a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: first five rounds and that team really performs up to
Speaker 1: where you needed to be? Right? Like? I Like, that's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. Can I take a tight end
Speaker 1: and a quarterback in the first five rounds and be successful?
Speaker 1: So you were at what before? I took Josh Gordon
Speaker 1: as my wide receiver three that was the fourth round,
Speaker 1: took Baldwin Forth. Okay, So thinking at that point I
Speaker 1: had Bell, Gronk, A j Green, Baldwin, Do you take
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? And I wrestled with it. I really really
Speaker 1: thought about it. Was it for you between Gordon and Rodgers? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean that's tough because I think Gordon's certainly in
Speaker 1: that tier where it still has a potential to be
Speaker 1: a wide receiver one, which is really cool. I can't
Speaker 1: say I wouldn't have taken Rodgers, but because you're in
Speaker 1: the fifth round, it is like, oh my god, you
Speaker 1: can have the arguably best running back, best tighten, best
Speaker 1: quarterback in fantasy. That's crazy. It's four point passing touchdown
Speaker 1: for what it's worth. I think this is where scoring
Speaker 1: format really comes back into account. In the full point PPR,
Speaker 1: you you do have to have three wide receivers each
Speaker 1: week in the best ball formats, so you're three highest
Speaker 1: scoring wide receivers, and I thought, if you need three,
Speaker 1: that's why it took Josh Gordon. Who's your quarterback? I
Speaker 1: ended up with Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: That's fine, it's fine you Josh Allen with an L
Speaker 1: O L next to it. That's correct. It's not very nice.
Speaker 1: I took him in. I don't know, it's not very nice.
Speaker 1: Very nice Bills fans and Josh Allen fans. It was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was between Josh Allen like Sam Donald
Speaker 1: pretty much the rookies. He took Alan Overdonald. I think,
Speaker 1: how dare you call us a Jets fan, and he's
Speaker 1: like Alan over Donald. You know, you know my Scottishish
Speaker 1: ball team. I own Sam Donald. I like Sam darn
Speaker 1: but I think for fantasy Josh Allen might offer more
Speaker 1: because I think he's gonna run the ball more. I
Speaker 1: own Donald, and I own Baker Mayfield. Actually that lea.
Speaker 1: I have Baker Mayfield and Tyrod Taylor in that league.
Speaker 1: That's my QB two. So if anything happens to Tyro,
Speaker 1: I have like a lot of I have a lot
Speaker 1: of moves I have to make before waivers are on,
Speaker 1: like I own people that aren't on teams. Just kind
Speaker 1: of issue. What do you think about this team? Overall grade?
Speaker 1: My starters are Andrew Luck and Patty Mahomes. I got
Speaker 1: Ricky Steels Jones to back up Rob Gronkowski as well.
Speaker 1: There's yeah, of course, So I ended up with that
Speaker 1: there's actually kickers in this league, so I took Mason
Speaker 1: Crosby and Stephen Houskin, not that matters. I ended up
Speaker 1: with the Eagles defense and they have a bye week
Speaker 1: in week nine, So I was looking at which teams
Speaker 1: have a good matchup in week nine, and I found
Speaker 1: out the Jets because the Miami Dolphins in Week nine.
Speaker 1: So I took the Jets, and I figured that the
Speaker 1: Eagles are are going to be my top scoring defense
Speaker 1: more often than not. Seeking of defenses, I want to
Speaker 1: get into the nund to the Fino theory before we
Speaker 1: move on the wide receiver after the break um. And
Speaker 1: the theory always was when you add up saxon turnovers
Speaker 1: in the preseason, you find out who's being the most aggressive? Right,
Speaker 1: which defensive are being most aggressive? So the Ravens played
Speaker 1: who in the Hall of Indian You remember, m m
Speaker 1: I don't remember, mm hmmm. It's funny eight teen Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game. It was the Ravens and it was
Speaker 1: the Bears. Dammit all right because it was the Ravens
Speaker 1: in the Bears, So those two teams have the most sacks, right,
Speaker 1: makes sense? After that? You know who it was number one?
Speaker 1: This isn't fair either Browns, Browns. They played the extra
Speaker 1: game in the extra game, so really I want to
Speaker 1: do this man handling the Eagles like Miles Garrett looked
Speaker 1: like a freaking man possessed interceptions. Other than the Bears
Speaker 1: and the Ravens, you know who's the highest uh not?
Speaker 1: The Clulan Browns, Cardinals, Cardinals. Yeah, I think people are
Speaker 1: sleeping on their defense a little bit too much too
Speaker 1: for they went the wrong way last year. But I
Speaker 1: still think that they're a pretty good unit and to
Speaker 1: have a defensive mind to head coach forced fumbles. Other
Speaker 1: than the raven and Browns, two teams are in that mix.
Speaker 1: You know who they are, the Falcons No, I don't know, Cardinals,
Speaker 1: Cardinals and Steelers Arizona Cardinals. Steelers Arizona Cardinals also have
Speaker 1: the eight sacks. The Arizona Cardinals folks or defense to
Speaker 1: watch this weekend. I want to see what they do.
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Cleveland Browns defense is a good surprise. You
Speaker 1: about that. You know what's gonna happen. You know who
Speaker 1: the Cardinals play this weekend, Greggy No. The decimated offensive
Speaker 1: line of the Dallas Cowboys. So they're probably just going
Speaker 1: to rack up more sacks, some more forced fumbles here
Speaker 1: this weekend. I think people are sleeping on them a
Speaker 1: little bit too much. I think their defense fell apart
Speaker 1: a little bit last year, and I think we've gone
Speaker 1: a little bit too far the other side now or
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, I still think that they have some
Speaker 1: talented players on that defense. Um, they have a shutdown corner,
Speaker 1: they have a solid pass rush as well, and now
Speaker 1: they have the defensive minded head coach. I think that
Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense will bounce back. I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: with you on this Nondo theory. Here of the Cardinals
Speaker 1: performing in the preseason. There you go. In case you're wondering.
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals in Week one face the Washington football team.
Speaker 1: Not a terrible start, not terrible. They don't have a
Speaker 1: running back. Cleveland Browns. They face Pittsburgh Chicago, they face
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Speaker 1: talked no wide receivers all week long. People are going
Speaker 1: into their drafts. This weekend is a mo Tis weekend
Speaker 1: for drafts. Who do the people need to know about that?
Speaker 1: We haven't spoken much about. Yes, we got into the
Speaker 1: wide receiver three discussion yesterday. We spoke about Alston Jeffrey
Speaker 1: a little bit as well with Virginia zakas of inside injuries.
Speaker 1: I think we move on right after that. I think
Speaker 1: outside the top forty is what we should touch on.
Speaker 1: Maybe some deep sleepers for those in Best Ball formats
Speaker 1: or even redraft. A lot of drafts are just happening
Speaker 1: this weekend, so I think outside that's top forty. You know,
Speaker 1: guys like Calvin Benjamin, Mike Williams, who I think we
Speaker 1: all have some uh we have some suspicion that they
Speaker 1: could you know that they have upside this year. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wide receivers as well as the Panthers wide receivers.
Speaker 1: So I think Cowboys, Panthers, Calvin Benjamin, let's start there
Speaker 1: and talk about those guys. Great, all right, let's start there,
Speaker 1: and let's start with with Kelvin Benjamin, the last guy
Speaker 1: that you mentioned here, Frank, because Benjamin is a sleeper
Speaker 1: according to you. I'm in on the Calvin Benjamin train.
Speaker 1: I kind of always will pick somebody else instead of him,
Speaker 1: But I don't tell people like a wi Max in
Speaker 1: on Calvin Benjamin, what makes you like him so much? Well, first,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, why are you out on him?
Speaker 1: Besides the obvious reasons, just the obvious reasons. All right,
Speaker 1: So who are you taking in his range when he's there?
Speaker 1: Rather Mike Williams, Probably I'd rather I don't. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: kill you for that, I'd rather Mike Williams other than that. Um,
Speaker 1: so he's my forty second ranked wide receiver. Where do
Speaker 1: you have him? I'm all right, so we're pretty close.
Speaker 1: Um he's the start of my next tier. Who do
Speaker 1: you have right behind him? Like Williams? Right after that? Though, like,
Speaker 1: is there anyone like once you get into this range,
Speaker 1: like this is where he's falling too, and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's too far, like he shouldn't fall into like the
Speaker 1: ninth tenth round of dress. To be honestly, this is
Speaker 1: this year that I do have him in, and maybe
Speaker 1: I should have him at the end of my last year.
Speaker 1: But the guys I have in this tier as well
Speaker 1: as him, and again he's at the top of it.
Speaker 1: I want to make that clear. It's Mike Williams, Savante Parker,
Speaker 1: the Alan Hearns, um, Michael Gallant Combo. I have Rochard
Speaker 1: Matthews here at Mark He's Lee here who I like more, Um,
Speaker 1: Kenny Stills here also, which I would consider taking over
Speaker 1: Helven measurement. You like Marcas Lee more than Calvin Measurement.
Speaker 1: They're in the same tire to me, they're as probably
Speaker 1: rank them higher that if you like them more. I
Speaker 1: don't like him that much. I mean, they're the same thing.
Speaker 1: So the reason why I like Calevin menagement is is
Speaker 1: just volume. If you look at targets right from last
Speaker 1: year wide receiver targets of all the wide receivers who
Speaker 1: had at least a hundred and thirty targets, as Bryant
Speaker 1: was the lowest to finish as wide receiver twenty five.
Speaker 1: So this is just a volume play. Some other players
Speaker 1: in that range who had this amount of targets. Golden
Speaker 1: Tate had a hundred and twenty targets, Mike Evans had
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty six targets. So if you're gonna
Speaker 1: get I'll say the numbers of a hundred and undred
Speaker 1: and thirty targets just based on that volume alone. With
Speaker 1: as inefficient as Josh Allen is going to be, like Calvin,
Speaker 1: management had an inefficient quarterback playing with him before, in
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. Cam Newton never has a high completion percentage.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Josh Allen is the passion
Speaker 1: that Cam Newton is when Calvin Benjamin was playing with him,
Speaker 1: But that's the reason why we're getting Benjamin at that discount,
Speaker 1: so he's going outside the top forty wide receivers. I
Speaker 1: think he has top thirty upside. He's not gonna catch
Speaker 1: a ton of passes, but he can still finish with
Speaker 1: eight hundred, nine hundred yards and seven plus touchdowns just
Speaker 1: based on the fact that he's gonna get a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty plus targets on a team where the defense
Speaker 1: probably takes a step back. They might be trailing in
Speaker 1: some games. I think they're gonna have to air it out.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those targets are gonna go
Speaker 1: Calvin Benjamin's way. Normally when we get into like this
Speaker 1: range of wide receivers, I'll gladly take him as by
Speaker 1: water septer four, water receiver five. I get that. I
Speaker 1: get that because of the touchdown possibility is so great.
Speaker 1: Like obviously the builders are gonna score touchdowns at some point,
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen does have the huge arm, Kevin Benjamin
Speaker 1: a very big target outside of Kelvin Benjamin and Lasawn McCoy,
Speaker 1: who's gonna score touchdowns for the scene, Chuck Clay Clay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't score a lot of touch he catches a
Speaker 1: lot of passes. He's he's better in PPR, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he'll catch three or five touchdowns. They got to
Speaker 1: score somehow. I think Kelvin Benjamin will be that somehow.
Speaker 1: Would rather own Kelvin Benjamin or Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: I have him in the tier head he's really he's
Speaker 1: clearly in that thirty to forty wide receiver range solid
Speaker 1: wide receiver three for me, I wouldn't actually want him
Speaker 1: as my wide receiver three. I would want him as
Speaker 1: a backup maybe by a wide receiver four or my
Speaker 1: flex ideally, but we spoke about it. He is Jared
Speaker 1: Goff's uh, he's Jared Goffs guy. He's he's go to weapon.
Speaker 1: We saw that last year. He was top five in
Speaker 1: the league in red zone targets a year ago, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really going to change. Brandon Cooks
Speaker 1: is not necessarily a red zone weapon. He's a guy
Speaker 1: who's going to get the ball down the field. Robert
Speaker 1: Woods is that possession guy. He's gonna be there for
Speaker 1: PPR to to move the change for the Rams. I
Speaker 1: think once they get in the red zone, you look
Speaker 1: for Cooper Cup. I don't think he's gonna vow you
Speaker 1: in any one category. He's not gonna have a hundred receptions.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna have a thousand yards, but sixty to
Speaker 1: seventy receptions, eight hundred yards and you know, six seven touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I think Jared got I think that Cooper Cup is
Speaker 1: going to be in that range. Yeah. I have Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: Actually one spot ahead of Kelvin Benjamin is he's at
Speaker 1: forty one. Benjaments at forty two, but again he is
Speaker 1: at the end of the last tier. That's true. So
Speaker 1: I have I have Cup in the tier head and
Speaker 1: I prefer to have Cup as well. Um also in
Speaker 1: the tier with Cup towards the end of it. It's
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson. And I think Jordy Nelson is very similar
Speaker 1: to Kevin Benjamin and now he's a red zone guy.
Speaker 1: He's a volume guy that you just hope picks up
Speaker 1: a ton of pluchdowns essentially. I know you're not really
Speaker 1: in on Jordy Nelson at all this year, Frank, and
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of a mistake. Jordy Nelson is
Speaker 1: a guy who's kind of tough for me to rank.
Speaker 1: I haven't met wide receiver forty nine. I just don't
Speaker 1: want him anytime that I see him in the draft.
Speaker 1: But he's just a name that I look at and
Speaker 1: I'll just pass over. I just I don't know what
Speaker 1: he brings to the table for fantasy this year. Right,
Speaker 1: if we continuously talk up about Amari Cooper and how
Speaker 1: he's going to be the focal point of the offense
Speaker 1: and how he's gonna get a hundred and thirty plus
Speaker 1: targets this year, maybe a hundred and forty targets. How
Speaker 1: many targets is Jordy Nelson actually going to get. Maybe
Speaker 1: he'll score some touchdowns this year, but we were just
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that he's going to score
Speaker 1: a lot of Touches's what he does. That's what he
Speaker 1: did with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, and now it's gonnas going
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know that that's gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: think what's over under in touchdowns for him? Six and
Speaker 1: a half? I mean I just made that number up.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I actually I understand. What would
Speaker 1: you said that seven and a half? No, I think
Speaker 1: I think six probably being like that six seven range,
Speaker 1: But like, how many receptions, how many yards are you
Speaker 1: gonna get? I think Amari Cooper is going to be
Speaker 1: a target hog for this team. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: John Gruden has talked a lot about running the ball
Speaker 1: as well, that they want to run the ball. They
Speaker 1: have Marshall Lynch, They've talked up Doug Martin. I'm not
Speaker 1: a big believer in Doug Martin. I just don't really
Speaker 1: know where Jordy Nelson fits in here. Maybe Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: The path to Jordy Nelson being great again is if
Speaker 1: Mary Marie Cooper sucks. Sure, that's how it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen. We're not here to
Speaker 1: make make Jordy great again. Like I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: I care just about him being valuable. It was like
Speaker 1: number five whire he ver ranked the number forty nine.
Speaker 1: I haven't ranked it thirty nine. He's a wide receiver
Speaker 1: four or five. You're not asking him to be great,
Speaker 1: you're asking you to contribute. And maybe there's a little
Speaker 1: Greg Jennings effect. That's old Jake rule right where you
Speaker 1: just have an old veteran that's not gonna do all
Speaker 1: that much on your bench. But the one thing that
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson is great at is scoring. The one thing
Speaker 1: that Michael crabs she was great at was scoring. The
Speaker 1: one thing that Mary Cooper is not great at is scoring.
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson walks right into this Michael Crabstreet role, and
Speaker 1: I think it becomes early on a favorite target inside
Speaker 1: the red zone of Derek Carr, and I think people
Speaker 1: are gonna want Jordy Nelson on the end of their
Speaker 1: mention this here. That's interesting to me that it sounds
Speaker 1: like you have him ranked higher than the Cowboys wide
Speaker 1: receivers I do. I just don't like that call because
Speaker 1: one of these guys can become the number one target
Speaker 1: for Dak Prescott and Dak has never necessarily lean on
Speaker 1: just one guy. Well, that was my point right two
Speaker 1: years ago, when Jack Prescott had this really good fantasy season,
Speaker 1: who was the number one target? Cole Beasley? I guess
Speaker 1: Des Bryant was in and out of the line up.
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams did nothing, and Cole Beasley. Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: throw him to start him in a pinch, but at
Speaker 1: that point I'd rather take the touchdown upsid a guy
Speaker 1: like Jordy. So yeah, to answer your question, I do
Speaker 1: have Judy add of both Dallas guys, what's the touchdown upside? Though?
Speaker 1: Ultimately with Jordan, like, if everything you think you said,
Speaker 1: you said it over six nap, I'm taking that over.
Speaker 1: I think you get eight nine touchdowns. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. I think he's probably closer
Speaker 1: to that six seven range. I just think how many
Speaker 1: touchdowns is Derek are gonna throw this year? Realistically? I'll
Speaker 1: take the over on that too. No, what's the highest
Speaker 1: he's ever done before? I don't know that. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're asking me he was injured his best season, get
Speaker 1: injured the end of the year. You'll have it that
Speaker 1: either twenty two and twenty seventeen, twenty and twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: assuming he was a career high, right exactly. So I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what you said, twenty five. I'll take the over.
Speaker 1: I just don't think Derek car is all that great either.
Speaker 1: Touchdowns He'll probably be in that range, I say, I'll
Speaker 1: say thirty. So you're a little bit more And you
Speaker 1: were the guy who was off John Gruden, right, you
Speaker 1: have a little bit more faith in this offense than
Speaker 1: you were leading. I think the Raiders may I think
Speaker 1: the Raiders may stink, but I think that certain guys
Speaker 1: are gonna get there. If Derek car storing thirty touchdowns
Speaker 1: round number, let's say that how many of those are
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper catching? Let's say eight? Agree with that, right,
Speaker 1: Let's say eight. So just using that, there's twenty two
Speaker 1: other touchdowns to go around. Okay, how many is Jared
Speaker 1: cook cut catching? Five? Okay, that's thirteen? Is that too high?
Speaker 1: En up? Four? That's thirteen. You're leaving seventeen available. Seventeen
Speaker 1: touchdowns available. The other wide receivers are more. Tavis Bryant,
Speaker 1: he's there, Seth Roberts is there, the architects. The architects,
Speaker 1: Seth Robert car does target in the red zone, because
Speaker 1: that used to be very frustrating if you were to
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper owner, if you were a Michael Crabt your owner.
Speaker 1: We know that in years past he randomly targets Seth
Speaker 1: Roberts in the red zone. Because I don't know how
Speaker 1: much Shorty Nelson what there's no upside here? Like, if
Speaker 1: you're taking a bench wide receiver, why wouldn't you take
Speaker 1: a wide receiver that has upside? In my opinion, Jorty
Speaker 1: Nelson doesn't have upside. Maybe he could score touchdowns, but
Speaker 1: he's not. Why can't he do with Michael crabst you
Speaker 1: did last year? Why is that not realistic? What did
Speaker 1: Michael Crabt you do fifty eight receptions? He was also
Speaker 1: banged up, he missed a couple of games, and he
Speaker 1: suspended fifty eight receptions, eighteen yards and eight the year
Speaker 1: before where he played a full season as a second
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and Mark Cooper right after everyone at Mark
Speaker 1: Cooper is basically a first round here as the wide
Speaker 1: receiver two in the Raiders offense in Michael Crabtree and
Speaker 1: eighty nine receptions, a thousand yards and eight touchdowns. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no way Jordy Nelson does that. I agree. Let's
Speaker 1: say he has seventy five receptions and eight touchdowns. That's
Speaker 1: a good season. It's a valuable fantasy season. Jordy Nelson's
Speaker 1: seventy five receptions and eight touchdowns this year. I'll take
Speaker 1: the under on both easily. You can make some kind
Speaker 1: of bed here if you want, You can make that happen.
Speaker 1: I just think I'd rather take a shot on one
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys wide receivers emerging. I think there's more
Speaker 1: upside there. Um they're gonna have to throw the balls
Speaker 1: to someone. I don't know how great the defenses. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're going to run the ball a ton. I know
Speaker 1: that they have Ezekiel Elliott, but I'll take a shot
Speaker 1: on one of Gallup or Alan Herns emerging. And remember,
Speaker 1: Alan Herns has a season with double digit to sound
Speaker 1: touchdowns as well playing with the likes of Blake Bortles.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is a better quarterback than Blake Bortles. I
Speaker 1: think Alan Herns is a competent NFL wide receiver. A
Speaker 1: lot of people have been bashing him. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Alan Herns can't be Fantasy relevant at this point. I
Speaker 1: think that's hogwash. They went out and they signed him
Speaker 1: for a reasons, So I'll take the shot on Alan
Speaker 1: Herns Michael Gallup. I just I don't think Jordy Nelson
Speaker 1: has much left in the tank, and I can't really
Speaker 1: have a lot of faith in Derek Carr being able
Speaker 1: to make two Fantasy viable wide receivers when it comes
Speaker 1: to Jordy Nelson. He's done it with Crabtree, He's done
Speaker 1: it with Cooper, But I just don't think Jordy Nelson
Speaker 1: is as sounded as Crabtree had been the past few years.
Speaker 1: I think Jordy Nelson's kind of done. Uh, you're probably
Speaker 1: You're probably right that he's done. I mean we dropped
Speaker 1: him last year. We we said he's not even he
Speaker 1: can't perform well for Alon Rodgers, who performed well for
Speaker 1: but I think that Jordy Nelson, there's just one thing
Speaker 1: that he has left. It's the ability in the red zone.
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Speaker 1: four four eight four or three six seven nine. Uh,
Speaker 1: Let's go to Joe in Florida. What's up, Joe? What's
Speaker 1: going on? What's going on? Man? I got the China.
Speaker 1: I got a third pick in our draft this weekend,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure out, like who who pick
Speaker 1: up with the first pick? In the second pick? You
Speaker 1: know what way I should go with it with with
Speaker 1: third pick is the PR League MR Whiteboard series. What
Speaker 1: you got? Third pick? And this is a full point PPR,
Speaker 1: fir point PPR. I'll take David Johnson and I've said
Speaker 1: that before, Zekiel Elliott. I'll take him in the non
Speaker 1: PPR um. I think he could score more touchdowns. But
Speaker 1: David Johnson, you know that threat for a thousand rushing,
Speaker 1: a thousand receiving. We've seen an eight plus reception season
Speaker 1: out of him. It's close between David Johnson and Zeke.
Speaker 1: But I'll take I'll take dj There, there you go,
Speaker 1: there you go, all right, listen PPR. David Johnson, the
Speaker 1: potentially the number three pick there on the phone four
Speaker 1: three six s seven nine to Darren in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: It's up Darren. Hey, I have a question, um, how
Speaker 1: confident are you guys with mark Ingram coming back to
Speaker 1: pick him as your number two running back? They have
Speaker 1: to back him up with like a Carlos Hide and
Speaker 1: the Painton Barber. Yeah, so you just curved on the situation,
Speaker 1: just go with like Horse Freeman. Right. So so I
Speaker 1: think it's a great, great question. And I had the
Speaker 1: exact question that isn't the question. And I had the
Speaker 1: same exact opportunity Darren, that you did, right, Like I
Speaker 1: could have taken Royce Freeman um, and instead I went
Speaker 1: with Mark. I went with mark Ingram um, and I
Speaker 1: backed it up with Jamal Williams. And that was like
Speaker 1: my combination, Jamal Williams and mark Ingram. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Royce Freeman as good as he could be. Dvante Booker
Speaker 1: still looks at me the starter for now there. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't exactly think, um, I don't exactly think
Speaker 1: that Vande Bookers will be able to hold on this job.
Speaker 1: But I am confident that Marketing comes back and gets
Speaker 1: his touches. Now, maybe I'm reading too much into Sean
Speaker 1: Payton saying listen, we gotta find someone to take Ingram's
Speaker 1: touches during the preseason and believing that, hey, it is
Speaker 1: Ingram's touches him was still a thing, right, So maybe
Speaker 1: I'm buying a little bit too much into that and
Speaker 1: the love heat relationship between Sean Payton and mark Ingram.
Speaker 1: But I still believe that mark Ingram is going to
Speaker 1: has the talent to produce what he did last year.
Speaker 1: I don't think Al mccamarra is a guy that they
Speaker 1: want touching the ball twenty five times a game. I
Speaker 1: think they are going to have a second running back,
Speaker 1: and I don't think Jonathan Williams is good enough to
Speaker 1: hold off Ingram when he comes back. I like mark Ingram, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, And we've spoken about a few running backs
Speaker 1: that you can draft to pair with mark Ingram. Jamal
Speaker 1: Williams makes a lot of sense. Even Carlos Good is
Speaker 1: a fine one too, if you can make that happen
Speaker 1: for the last pick of your draft, Jonathan Williams the
Speaker 1: mark Ingram replacement for mark Ingram until Marketingham comes back.
Speaker 1: In the league that I drafted mark Ingram I picked
Speaker 1: up I picked up Jonathan Williams after Waivers ran to
Speaker 1: make sure I had him to back him up too.
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Speaker 1: go back to the phone line eight for four, four, three, six, seven,
Speaker 1: nine and hit up Jan in California? What's up? Do
Speaker 1: we have? Jan? Hello? Hello? Hello? What's up? Man? Hello?
Speaker 1: Got me? Hello? What's up? Hello? Dude? You gotta ask
Speaker 1: you a question or something? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? What's up? Guys?
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Just lovely? How are you? Hey? Man?
Speaker 1: I can't complain, so I gotta I got a ton
Speaker 1: of questions here. So it's my first time doing a
Speaker 1: PPR format. You know, I've been doing standard UM for
Speaker 1: a couple of years now, but my first time in
Speaker 1: PPO format. I'm picking first. I'm kind of locked in.
Speaker 1: I got my mind made up on on girly, I
Speaker 1: mean in tips for me. You know that that that
Speaker 1: second and third round turn. You know it's it's too crucial. Um,
Speaker 1: any any heads up that you can give me here?
Speaker 1: You play with two wide receivers or three two wide receivers?
Speaker 1: Um two? Uh yeah? Two running backs? Yeah? Yeah? Okay?
Speaker 1: Well um yeah, you take the running back with the
Speaker 1: first overall pick. Honestly, it's always going to depend on
Speaker 1: who's there. Um. I didn't expect agree falling to me
Speaker 1: last night in the second overall pick, So it just
Speaker 1: depends on who you have um on your big board
Speaker 1: as your best players available. If there's a running back
Speaker 1: you really like, I have no problem taking one running
Speaker 1: back one wide receiver, especially because it's a two wide
Speaker 1: receiver format and a flex. If it were if you
Speaker 1: had to start three wide receivers, I'd be more inclined
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, it's a PPR, you have to grab
Speaker 1: two wide receivers there. But since you only start two
Speaker 1: running backs and two wide receivers, it really comes down
Speaker 1: to your best players available. If you think there's a
Speaker 1: running back you really like, you take one running back
Speaker 1: and one wide receiver, and vice versa. If all the
Speaker 1: running backs you like are gone, go ahead and grab
Speaker 1: two wide receivers. Okay, okay, And also I picked on
Speaker 1: the Standard League yesterday. Tell me what you guys think
Speaker 1: of the squad right here, right go quickly, man, because
Speaker 1: we have we have a bunch of called the callers.
Speaker 1: You got you, dude, Oh my bad, mo badman. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make a quick all right. I got Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: as my QB. We got t Y as my wide receiver. One.
Speaker 1: I got s Quan as my running back. Lamar Miller
Speaker 1: is my running back. To I got Keenan Allen actually
Speaker 1: is my other wide receiver. One. Kyle Rudolph is my
Speaker 1: tight end, and I got the juice. Go ahead and
Speaker 1: bless them then as my flips. Hey, I love everything
Speaker 1: about it except one thing. It's gonna remind you, sir
Speaker 1: that Lamar Miller sucks. Everything else is awesome. I really
Speaker 1: like your team. Uh. With that, we had out to
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Talk to Mike. Let's going on? Mike, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking my Carl Gray show. I'm just looking
Speaker 1: for some fantasy advice. He has my situation. I'm in
Speaker 1: a fourteen team PPR league and that's I've never been
Speaker 1: in a league this lodge before. I have the sixth
Speaker 1: overall pick looking at the a DP, my choice is
Speaker 1: the most likely Alvin Kamara, se Juan or DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of concerned. I have reservations about
Speaker 1: both running backs, but also it could be big booms
Speaker 1: where DeAndre I kind of just feel it's going to
Speaker 1: be more consistent and take and then I'm concerned if
Speaker 1: I do take DeAndre, what happens in the second round,
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen, when that snakes all the way back
Speaker 1: at the latest second round pick, who's gonna even be
Speaker 1: less at running back. So just some advice on that,
Speaker 1: and he thought, thank you. I think you have to
Speaker 1: go with the running back in that spot, whether it's
Speaker 1: Alvin Camara sac Markley. I'll let Frank pick. He's a
Speaker 1: master that we have to have similar decision potentially tomorrow. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can take DeAndre Hopkins and and
Speaker 1: play running back chicken there. You can't play wide receiver
Speaker 1: chicken because realistically, the worst one that gets back to
Speaker 1: he's probably a G. Green and you're you're gonna be
Speaker 1: okay with that. So for me, it comes out of
Speaker 1: Secon Barkley or Alvin Camara. Really your preference, Frank, in
Speaker 1: this kind of league, who would you take? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a full point PPR league, I would take Kamara. I
Speaker 1: think it's very use between him and Barkley. If you
Speaker 1: if you trust the workload more of se Kwan Barkley
Speaker 1: and that's what you want. I still think he can catch,
Speaker 1: you know, forty fifty plus balls this year. I think
Speaker 1: I would take the running back as well. Greg. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. Um, I'm not sure a J. Green makes
Speaker 1: it back because it's fourteen teams. It's a full point PPR,
Speaker 1: so people might lean on the wide receivers a little
Speaker 1: bit more, but I think you're guaranteed at least one
Speaker 1: of Mike Evans, t Y Hilton, Doug Baldwin. I think
Speaker 1: that combination is probably better than taking DeAndre Hopkins and then,
Speaker 1: like you said, you play with running back chicken, where
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up within a full point PPR. McCaffrey
Speaker 1: is not making it back to you. It probably would
Speaker 1: be close with DeVonta Freeman and Jordan Howard in the
Speaker 1: full point PPR. I don't know how much you love
Speaker 1: Jordan Howard as your RB one anyway, So I would
Speaker 1: take Kamara or Barkley and then take the wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the second round. I totally, I totally, totally agree
Speaker 1: with the speaking of wide receivers. Um. I want to
Speaker 1: go back to our late round wide receivers. Some guys
Speaker 1: you may want to target late and imagine Kenny Stills
Speaker 1: you had said yesterday. I like Kenny Stills. Hey, no
Speaker 1: one's telling about Danny Amendola is a rack out catches.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, at full point pbo are at least
Speaker 1: early in the year you want to own Danny Avendola. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's more of a I think he's just like a
Speaker 1: bench wide receiver. He's gonna be a bye week replacement
Speaker 1: kind of guy. And it's kind of similar to the
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson debate. If I'm using my bench players more
Speaker 1: more than often than not, I want to take high
Speaker 1: upside players. I think, you know, if you want to say,
Speaker 1: all right, I want to have a balance of solid
Speaker 1: bench players that I can use on bye weeks and
Speaker 1: guys that have upside. But more so you worry about
Speaker 1: bye weeks once they're coming, you know, really weeks four
Speaker 1: or five, six, seven, that's when you have to start
Speaker 1: worrying about bye weeks. More so, I think early on
Speaker 1: you really just want to have a lot of upside
Speaker 1: on your bench to see if one of these guys
Speaker 1: pops early on, and then you know, you you realize, oh,
Speaker 1: I have a legit wide receiver three that I could
Speaker 1: play for the rest of the year. So I like
Speaker 1: taking shots on some more upside plays. Um instead, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe take a shot on a guy like Anthony Miller,
Speaker 1: who um Trabisky seems to be leaning on right now
Speaker 1: in training camp. They're really talking him up. Even a
Speaker 1: sterling shepherd who in PPR is gonna rack up a
Speaker 1: ton of catches. Um, I think that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. James Washington. James Washington, I think is a
Speaker 1: real like one of your last round picks here, but
Speaker 1: he has showed up in the preseason. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you that the contestant catches that James Washington has been
Speaker 1: making throughout the preseason, he looks to be better than
Speaker 1: Martavis Bryant already. And that's something I said to you
Speaker 1: early on, Gregg. And that's why I like Big Ben
Speaker 1: is the fact that they have Antonio Brown, Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: James Washington, who a lot of people had as one
Speaker 1: of their top three wide receivers being drafted off the
Speaker 1: board in the NFL Draft. He went in the second round.
Speaker 1: I think he adds that element back to the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers offense, and if anything were to happen to Juju
Speaker 1: or to Antonio Brown, he steps in as that wide
Speaker 1: receiver too. I like taking that step on James Washington
Speaker 1: to Greg, Yeah, I think so too. I think, Uh,
Speaker 1: James Washington is one of these perfect young players, uh
Speaker 1: that you can take a shot at UM. I get it,
Speaker 1: and I know that I'm literally doing exactly what we
Speaker 1: tell you not to do with these older wide receivers,
Speaker 1: with Danny Almondelos, the Jordy Nelson's, I get it. I
Speaker 1: just see value there, man, and I just do I
Speaker 1: still see value. Rashard Matthews too, who now we finally
Speaker 1: know towards meniscus um and had surgery on that. It
Speaker 1: looks like he'll be back in time. Now will that
Speaker 1: be enough, um? Will that be enough time to make
Speaker 1: a fantasy relevant I don't know, um, and I didn't
Speaker 1: draft him on a team. Now, let me get the
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman. We haven't spoken about him yet. He suspended
Speaker 1: for four games to start the year. At what point
Speaker 1: do you pull the trigger on Julian Edelman? And and
Speaker 1: have you done it yet? I haven't ended up with
Speaker 1: him on any league yet. I've done a lot of
Speaker 1: Best Ball drafts, and I think it's kind of hard
Speaker 1: to take players who are suspended for the first four
Speaker 1: weeks in Best ball, UM, unless they're coming out a
Speaker 1: really really big discount, because you know the first four
Speaker 1: weeks you need to have rack up high scores as well.
Speaker 1: Remember Best Ball gives you your optimal line up each week.
Speaker 1: You don't set your line up, so I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of tougher to take suspended players, but there's a
Speaker 1: price for everybody. And I think obviously his best format
Speaker 1: is PPR the range that I would start looking at
Speaker 1: him in the full point PPR, I'd feel like the
Speaker 1: seventh round is that fair? Like in that in that
Speaker 1: wide receiver three like in that thirty five to forty
Speaker 1: range and wide receivers, I think that's the time to
Speaker 1: start looking at Julian Edelman in the PPR league. I
Speaker 1: have Julian Edelman right now is my forty sixth range
Speaker 1: wide receiver. UM, I have him forty second and this
Speaker 1: is half point same. So in the full point I
Speaker 1: move him up to thirty nine, so he's right in
Speaker 1: that range with Pierre Garson, Nelson agil Are UM. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good range because those guys are guys
Speaker 1: that are gonna help you all year long. But I
Speaker 1: think undoubtedly once Edelman comes back, he will be more
Speaker 1: productive than those guys on a per game basis. But
Speaker 1: if you want the consistency for throughout the entirety of
Speaker 1: the season, and I think you you lean on one
Speaker 1: of those other wide receivers. But if you're stacked, if
Speaker 1: you have three wide receivers already, especially and you get
Speaker 1: to like that seventh round range in a PPR league,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good time to pull the trigger
Speaker 1: on Julian Edelman in the half point, would you take him?
Speaker 1: Would you take him before Helvin Benjamin. That's funny because
Speaker 1: I actually have them ranked back to back, But I
Speaker 1: will take Helvin Benjamin again, just for those targets all
Speaker 1: year long. I think it's a very good question. Again,
Speaker 1: it comes down to roster construction. Um, if you have
Speaker 1: a little bit, if you have some more question marks
Speaker 1: in your starting lineup at the wide receiver position, I
Speaker 1: think I'd take Helvin Benjamin because I think there's more
Speaker 1: of a chance that he can pop and he can
Speaker 1: actually be a weekend and week out starter for you,
Speaker 1: especially early on in the season. Julian edem disagree. I
Speaker 1: think if you need if you have that risk, you
Speaker 1: need a guy that can pop. Like you know, after
Speaker 1: four weeks you're getting back Tom Brady's favorite. You have
Speaker 1: to make it to four weeks first, of course, I
Speaker 1: I get that, but like Helevin Benjamin, you have to
Speaker 1: be in my opinion, you have to be strong at
Speaker 1: wide receiver if you're gonna take a shot on Edelman,
Speaker 1: because you can't you can't lose early on in the season, right,
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. I Edman is a
Speaker 1: tough one because it's like we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: mark Ingram and I think about the difference. Right, that's
Speaker 1: a good point Ingram is going in like the late fourth,
Speaker 1: early fifth, and I'll look up the ADP right now,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure Edelman is going like the six
Speaker 1: or seven. Does that make sense? Is that? Is that fair?
Speaker 1: That should be going? Right? So I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm hoping you to an answer. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like why is Edlman going two rounds after mark Ingram?
Speaker 1: Because for mark Ingram, like there's another running back there, right,
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara is on these teams. Saw what his upside
Speaker 1: can be, and he's not going to get me back
Speaker 1: to that. I think part of the reason Edelman is
Speaker 1: going so much later is because he didn't play all
Speaker 1: last year. He tours a c L last year, so
Speaker 1: we almost but that's a good reason for him to
Speaker 1: drop down the draft board past thirty years old? Is
Speaker 1: it possible that you just forget how good Edelman is
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady? Though? Because of that we know that, Look,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady has always targeted his slot receiver, regardless of
Speaker 1: who it was, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman. He always targets
Speaker 1: that guy. And I think he will be peppered with
Speaker 1: targets why assuming he is effective once again? So why
Speaker 1: don't you if we know he always targets that slot receiver? Right,
Speaker 1: And that's what you're telling me, why don't we target
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman in that sixth seven and take Eric Decker
Speaker 1: with your last round pick? Why isn't there the same
Speaker 1: even that Eric Decker makes the team, he's been got
Speaker 1: off one camp. Then who's the slot receiver? It's not
Speaker 1: Chris Ogan. That's not the Chrisogan's job. Who I think
Speaker 1: they can use. I think they can use Chris Hogan
Speaker 1: in a multitude of ways until Julian Edelman comes back. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you're also telling me that Deckard there's a possibility
Speaker 1: he doesn't make the team. Who are the wide receivers
Speaker 1: on this team? I think the first four weeks you're
Speaker 1: just gonna see a buttload of Gronk and Chris Hogan
Speaker 1: and James White and James White. And they can use
Speaker 1: James White at the slot too if they want to
Speaker 1: get creative. And I think that's something that they can
Speaker 1: do and they will do. But Julian Edelman right now,
Speaker 1: according to Fantasy Pros full point PPR a DP, it's
Speaker 1: picks seventy three in as wide receiver thirty off the board.
Speaker 1: So that's round that's pretty high. That's high wide receiver
Speaker 1: thirty off the board, but the round, the rounds not high.
Speaker 1: It's the first pick of the seventh round, right, so
Speaker 1: he's going exactly two rounds later than market correct markets
Speaker 1: early fifth Julian Edelman's early seventh seventh in a full
Speaker 1: point PPR. I think that's a good ring to grab
Speaker 1: as your wide receiver. Four you have three wide receiver
Speaker 1: like it a lot. Look. I have my doubts in him,
Speaker 1: but at that point you can afford to take that chance.
Speaker 1: You can take the risk there because if he comes
Speaker 1: back and he's giving you his normal you know, six
Speaker 1: to ten catches a game, even if it's for fifty
Speaker 1: yards in PPR, he's gonna be at least a flex
Speaker 1: wide receiver every single week. That's gonna do it for
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver conversation, Frank I went into the rookie
Speaker 1: wide receivers because we haven't really named any of them
Speaker 1: this week. We spoke about Calvin Ridley a little bit
Speaker 1: early on in the week. We just spoke about James
Speaker 1: Washington a little bit as well, and Michael Gallop. Okay,
Speaker 1: the only one we haven is the Maryland Turp. Greggy
Speaker 1: and Anthony Miller mentioned him a little bit earlier on,
Speaker 1: but really I didn't like, really we've got in death,
Speaker 1: when do you take these guys. I've seen them going
Speaker 1: in like the nine tenth round range as you're getting
Speaker 1: him as your wide receiver five. And this is again
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, is like, why would you grab
Speaker 1: a Danny Amendolo. Why would you grab you know, some
Speaker 1: of these older veterans. When you take a shot on
Speaker 1: a wide receiver who you know they use early round
Speaker 1: draft picks on these guys for a reason. Like why
Speaker 1: did the Panthers draft Dj Moore If they love uh
Speaker 1: Devin Funcius, if they love Greg Olsen stild? The answer
Speaker 1: is they wouldn't. So they clearly like DJ Moore and
Speaker 1: they're looking for a more explosive all around wide receiver
Speaker 1: and that's why they went out and got him. I
Speaker 1: just do I worry about the Panthers receiving options overall
Speaker 1: because I just feel like they're going to take away
Speaker 1: from each other each week. I don't know that any
Speaker 1: guy is going to be the number one target in
Speaker 1: this offense. You can argue that Greg Olsen is the
Speaker 1: go to guy for Cam Newton. I think he's kind
Speaker 1: of lost a step. I think the foot injury from
Speaker 1: last year um is a legitimate thing, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: something that can Linger again this year. But like do
Speaker 1: e J. Moore can have weeks where he pops off,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be weeks where, you know, Devin Funchu scores
Speaker 1: a touchdown because he's the big receiver in the red zone.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that there's a go to option
Speaker 1: in this game outside of like Christian McCaffrey. To be honest, okay, Um,
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked all that much abou Kenny Golladay.
Speaker 1: I know you you've pointed out with Marvin Jones when
Speaker 1: Golladay was out, Marvin Jones spikes and Marvin Jones out
Speaker 1: Golladay spikes, You can't Kenny Gollad anywhore. I haven't taken
Speaker 1: him yet. I think he's more of a standard non
Speaker 1: PPR play because he has touchdown upside. But again, he
Speaker 1: is clearly third fickle in this offense in the passing game, Um,
Speaker 1: Golden Tate, Marvin Jones. I think they're gonna be there's
Speaker 1: and I continue to say this, I think the Lions
Speaker 1: offense is gonna be more balanced. So I don't know
Speaker 1: that they can support three fantasy viable wide receivers unless
Speaker 1: something were to happen to Marvin Jones. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: more so a play if you take Golden Tate or
Speaker 1: take Marvin Jones. Just grabbed Kenny Golladay as your wide
Speaker 1: receiver five or six at the end of the draft,
Speaker 1: little handcuff action in case one of them gets hurt
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. What about the Jackson wide
Speaker 1: re series? How do you rank them? I feel the
Speaker 1: way about the Jaguars receivers that they do about Jordy Nelson.
Speaker 1: Anytime I see one of them, I just I like
Speaker 1: Mark Easley. I think Mark Easley is a talented player.
Speaker 1: But again, you have to look at what teams do
Speaker 1: in the off season if they love Marki's leo that much. Yes,
Speaker 1: they brought him back, they gave him some money, but
Speaker 1: they also signed Dante Moncreeves. They also have Keel and
Speaker 1: Cole And they drafted uh D D Westbrook last year
Speaker 1: and they drafted D J. Chart this year too. It's
Speaker 1: is it just that they want wide receiver death or
Speaker 1: is that that they're not sold on these guys as
Speaker 1: their wide receivers. I don't think Blake Bortles is all
Speaker 1: that great. I don't think the Jaguars are going to
Speaker 1: have a ton of passing volume this year. Honestly, any
Speaker 1: time I see a Jaguars wide receiver on the boards,
Speaker 1: I just look in another direction. Did anybody any other
Speaker 1: wide re siers that we have not mentioned that you
Speaker 1: just want to give a shout out? So I think
Speaker 1: Cam Meredith is worth mentioning as well. He was a
Speaker 1: guy who popped a little bit in the preseason. We
Speaker 1: were talking about him, and now he's kind of falling off.
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about him again since then. But I
Speaker 1: think a late round wide receiver at the second or
Speaker 1: third option in this passing game for the Saints, I
Speaker 1: think he's worth taking a shot as your wide receipter. Five.
Speaker 1: Is there a wide receiver handcuffs? Say Geronimo or Jeronimo?
Speaker 1: Else Bronimo. We're done. The Frenzy's up next, and Frankie Stamford,
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