1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Morning Run with Amy and TJ and iHeartRadio Podcast. Good 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: morning everyone, Thanks for joining us for today's morning run. 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, April sixteenth. Your Morning Run guaranteed every Monday 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: through Friday by six thirty am Eastern Time. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robots and I'm TJ. Holmes. I suppose a 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: lot of people slept well last night. Tax Day it's over, 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: it's done. Your refund is coming or your check is 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: on the way. Either way, it's done. So this should 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: be a good day for people. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean I feel my shoulders relaxing now 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: that that's all been taken care of. The worst is over, 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: and now I have twelve months until I have to 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: worry about it again. Or eleven months maybe. 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Oh my. Yes. We hopefully we have a good quote 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: of the day so you don't have to be worried 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: about something a year from Yes. Now, we're just gonna 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: embrace today, still in the moment, on this morning run. Yes, 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: we always appreciate you running with us. And on today's run, 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: it's a showdown between Washington and Harvard, with President Trump 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: now demanding an apology from the Ivy League. 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 1: School and former President Biden may not have mentioned Trump 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: by name, but he certainly had a lot to say 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: about him in his first public comments since leaving the 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: White House. 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: Also on the Run this morning, the IRS just got 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: all of our returns, but they've also just lost a 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: quarter of its workforce. Also this morning, anybody expecting a 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: package from China may be waiting for a very long 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: time after one all important region announces it's won't be 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: sending or receiving any US packages. 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Plus a second school shooting at the same high school 32 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: in Dallas, sending four students to the hospital. The suspect 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: arrested late last night, And a new CDC report confirms 34 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: autism rates in this country are rising, and it also 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: acknowledges that our nation's Measle's outbreak is worse than being reported. 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: Also this morning, OUCH Blue origins all female astronaut team 37 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: is facing some scathing criticism by several notable female stars, 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: calling the mission disgusting and privileged. And this morning, beloved 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: game show host of the seventies and eighties, Wink Martindale 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: dies at the age of ninety one. These guys seem 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: like we're losing them, but these classic classic game show guys, 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: was we're going to get into some of his background. 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: But we've lost another one. 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, tic tac dough. That was a staple at my 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: house in the early eighties. I remember it. 46 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: Well, all right, we're going to start our run. The 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: first leg, we'll have us in DC. And well, that 48 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: escalated quickly after Harvard rejected a White House list of demands. 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: President Trump has made one more demand of the university apologize, 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: and he's thrown in a new wrinkle or maybe a threat, 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: you could call it, and the escalating beef by suggesting 52 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: Harvard's tax exempt status be taken away. 53 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: In a social media post yesterday, the President said perhaps 54 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: Harvard should lose its tax exempt status and be taxed 55 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: as a political entity if it keeps pushing political ideological 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: and terror inspired supporting sickness. Remember, tax exemp status is 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: totally contingent on acting in the public interest. Now. During 58 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: the press briefing yesterday, Press Secretary Caroline Levitt called on 59 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: Harvard to say I'm sorry, saying President Trump wants to 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: see Harvard apologize, and Harvard should apologize for the ar regious, 61 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: egregious anti semitism that took place on their college campus 62 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: against Jewish American students. Now. 63 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: Of course, all this comes after the White House announced 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: it was freezing two point two billion dollars in federal 65 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: funding to Harvard after the school refused to make changes 66 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: the administration wanted, including changes in admission policies, hiring practices, 67 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: among other things. President Trump claims he wants to cut 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: down on anti Semitism at elite schools, after several were 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: the site of protests about the Israeli Gaza war. 70 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: This feels a little bit like the US China trade 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: war escalating. We've got another one now between Trump and Harvard. 72 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: I don't know who he's going to blink first on 73 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: this one, but that's a lot of money. 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Yes, and a lot of live who will be absolutely 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: upended without that funding. All right, Next up on our run. 76 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: Former President Biden was back at a podium last night 77 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: in his first major appearance in speech since leaving office, 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: and he never mentioned President Trump by name, But that 79 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: does not mean he didn't have plenty to say about him. 80 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Instead, last night he chose to call him this guy. 81 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: That's how he referred to President Trump. Biden revealed for 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: the first time publicly, though, what he thinks of the 83 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: new administration using words like devastating and heartbreaking. The former 84 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: president was speaking last night at a conference in Chicago 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: that was focused on social security. 86 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: He told a group of about two hundred people, in 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: fewer than one hundred days, this new administration has done 88 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: so much damage and so much destruction, it's kind of breathtaking. 89 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: The former president also presented this warning, saying, and we'll 90 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: quote him here, why are these guys taking aim at 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: social security now? While they're following that old line from 92 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: tech startups. The quote is move fast, break things. They're 93 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: certainly breaking things. They're shooting first and aiming later. The 94 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: result is a lot of needless pain and sleepless nights. 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: They want to wreck it so they can rob it. 96 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: Also, of note, the former president reference the heated political 97 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: divide we have in this country, saying, we can't go 98 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: on like this as a divided nation, as divided as 99 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: we are. I've been doing this a long time. It's 100 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: never been this divided. Granted it's roughly thirty percent, but 101 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: it's a thirty percent that has no heart. Now a 102 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: lot of people are questioning what exactly is he talking 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: about there. You can maybe jump to your own conclusion, 104 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: but it didn't sound good. Who those thirty percent necessarily were. Now. 105 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: The White House responded to Biden's speech before he even 106 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: gave it. Actually, the White House spokespursion Carolyn Leavit during 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: the day yesterday said, I'm shocked that he is speaking 108 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: at nighttime. I thought his bedtime was much earlier than 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: his speech tonight. And that was it. I don't know 110 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: if we is that petty? Is it funny, is it silly? 111 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: Is it mean? 112 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: Is it mean? You know I was also thinking it 113 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: was funny, but then it was mean. So it's just 114 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: the mean spiritedness of everything just weighs It can weigh 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: you down, can't it. But I yeah, I mean she 116 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: did take a shot, as did Biden. All right, next 117 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: up on the run. Now that you've hopefully filed your taxes, 118 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: or at least filed your extension, you may be less 119 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: likely to face an audit. There has been a mass 120 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: exodus at the IRS. So far, nearly twenty two thousand 121 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: employees have signed up for Trump's offer to resign. They 122 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: get paid leave through September, but there are further layoffs 123 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: on the horizon as well. 124 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, before the president took office, the RS had around 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand employees. It's now on course to lose 126 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: a third of that staff. Some experts out there will 127 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: tell you the agency will be in a weekend position 128 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: to collect taxes, perform audits, and may even make people 129 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: think they can get away with not paying their taxes altogether. 130 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, oh, so there are fewer people who are 131 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: looking at returns, so maybe I can sneak something in 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: or leave something out. Oh yeah, give it a yeah, 133 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: that's a lot of worry I don't need. All right. 134 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: Last week, the Acting Commission of the IRS, along with 135 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: other top officials there, quit their jobs over an agreement 136 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: to share taxpayer information to help deport undocumented immigrants. The 137 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: IRS has previously kept all taxpayer information confidential. And look, 138 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people we talked about undocumented immigrants pay 139 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: their taxes. So there is also concern about lost revenue, 140 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: with those immigrants possibly now afraid to file tax returns 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: because they will then be targeted and deported. 142 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: All right, we'll continue our run here on thisres Wednesday morning, 143 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: on this next leg, and if you are expecting a 144 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: package from China, you might be out of luck. Hong 145 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: Kong in particular announced today that it's postal service will 146 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: no longer be sending packages to the US, and this 147 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: is in place effective immediately. 148 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: The postal service there said it wouldn't. It would contact 149 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: anyone who had already dropped off packages that were headed 150 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: to the United States and they will return your packages 151 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: and refund your postage. Hong Kong government is retaliating to 152 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: the one hundred and forty five percent tear if Trump 153 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: has imposed on Chinese imports, and they posted this on 154 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: their website. 155 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, they say the public in Hong Kong should be 156 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: prepared to pay exorbitant and unreasonable fees due to the 157 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: US is unreasonable and bullying acts. Trump also closed a 158 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: loophole that allow Chinese retailers to send clothing and other 159 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: goods to the US without paying any tariffs roads. We 160 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: were talking this was a big deal because there are 161 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: a lot of low price Chinese retailers that we're finding 162 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: a way to send that stuff. 163 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely get there. It's called fast Fashion, and there are 164 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: several companies in the Asian market. Shean is one that 165 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: I know my girls use and I have used as well. 166 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: And you get these goods for a lot cheaper because yes, 167 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: they are not paying the terrifts. But now if these 168 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: companies and these businesses are being forced to pay that 169 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty five percent tariff when they were 170 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: paying zero, everything's going to change, all right. Next up 171 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: on the Run, we're going to head to Dallas, where 172 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: a second school shooting has happened at the same high 173 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: school in less than one year. For student thanks were injured. 174 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: They were all sent to the hospital, but one of 175 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: them seriously injured when a gunman opened fire at Wilmer 176 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: Hutchins High School just after one pm yesterday. 177 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is DejaVu of a heartbreaking scene. Look, we've 178 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: covered a lot of school shootings and you see this 179 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: on TV. But that scene where the parents are rushing 180 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: to the school to try to find their kids, well 181 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: that scene played out once again at the same school, 182 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: So parents were rushing trying to reunite with their children. 183 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: Police arrested the shooter late Tuesday evening, but have not 184 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: released an identity. According to Dallas official, someone at the 185 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: school opened the door to the suspect, who then began firing. 186 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: Wilmer Hutchins High had already implemented metal detectors and had 187 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: a clear backpack policy following a school shooting there nearly 188 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: a year ago, so a lot of people were asking 189 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: how did he get in? And the best we have 190 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: gotten from the Dallas police so far is that he entered. 191 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: This gunman entered in off hours, so it wasn't the 192 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: fault of their staff or their metal detectors. Somehow he 193 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: knew how to get in ahead of time, or at 194 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: least at a time when no one was there. Texas 195 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: Governor Greg Abbott tweeted our hearts go out to the 196 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: victims of this senseless act of violence at Wilmer Hutchins 197 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: High School and offered law enforcement resources to bring the 198 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: gunman to justice. 199 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: Abbott also said he's adding another five hundred million dollars 200 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: to the more than three billion he's already directed to 201 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: school safety since he's been governor. The school will be 202 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: closed for the rest of this week. Dallas police will 203 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: be stationed at other district schools for an added safety measure. 204 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just tough. We're still still still talking about 205 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: school shootings. 206 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: I stayed with us folks here on this Wednesday morning run. 207 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: When we come back. We've been talking about how bad 208 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: the measles outbreak is in the us. Well, actually it's 209 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: worse also coming up. Yes, it was all smiles and 210 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: all cheers and at all celebrity female crew came back 211 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: to earth. Well now they're really being brought back down 212 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: to earth by a number of notable female celebrities who 213 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: call that trip disgusting. 214 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: Stay with us, Welcome back to the Wednesday morning run. 215 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: Next up on our run, this country's measles outbreak is 216 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: likely much worse than we know, the Centers for Disease 217 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Control said. The agency is struggling to keep up with 218 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: state's requests for support with battling this disease. 219 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: And so far this year, there've been more than seven 220 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: hundred measles cases nationwide, and that's been across twenty four states. 221 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: But a senior CDC scientist said yesterday that there are 222 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: a large number of cases that have not been reported. 223 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: And probably will never be reported, so we won't know 224 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: the full scope of it. But to twenty twenty five, 225 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: we know this is already the second worst year on 226 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: record for the disease. The CDC just deployed a second 227 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: team to West Texas, where the measles out outbreak began, 228 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: after already sending fifteen employees earlier in the year to 229 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: try and help stop the spread. So far, it has 230 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: done little to curb the spread. Children and one adult 231 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: have already died from this measle's outbreak. Dozens of others 232 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: have been hospitalized, and it doesn't look like it's easing 233 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: up at any point. 234 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: All Right, we'll continue now the next leg of our run. 235 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: The CDC making headlines around a new study it just 236 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: released about the country's rising autism rate. In twenty twenty two, 237 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: nearly one in thirty one children was diagnosed with autism 238 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: by the age of. 239 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: Eight, but that is up from one in thirty six 240 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty The other some of the other 241 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: points that came out of the report, Boys continue to 242 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: have higher rates of autism diagnosis than girls, and it 243 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: was also more common among Asian, Black, and Hispanic children 244 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: than it was in white children. 245 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: And the report acknowledge that improvements in identifying the disorder 246 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: have been apparent, which may explain the increase in cases. 247 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: Simply put, we are better at identifying it, so of 248 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: course you're going to have more cases identified, simple as that. 249 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: The Department of Health and Human Services has asked the 250 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: CDC to study a relationship between vaccines and autism. However, 251 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: there's decades of evidence that shows there is no link 252 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: between vaccines and autism. 253 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: Yes, and they are doing that at the best of 254 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: this DH excuse me the Department of Health and Human 255 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: Services Director RFK Junior, who said yesterday that autism is 256 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: preventable and that the risks and costs of this crisis 257 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: are a thousand times more threatening to our country than 258 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. A lot of people pointed out that the 259 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: CDC the results of this report stand in contrast to 260 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: what RFK Junior is saying about a possible link between 261 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: measles and autism, saying, no, this is just simply, as 262 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: you put it, about diagnosing and identifying this disorder. 263 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: Didn't he say this was recently? He said, they're going 264 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: to know by September. They have a new task force 265 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: or whatever they're going to call that, but they are 266 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: going to identify a cause of autism. Y. 267 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: Yes, and it would be nice at least to put 268 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: the argument or the concerns behind us and move forward. 269 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: Never, well, let's stay what it's here now or we're 270 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: continuing now the next leg of our run, folks. And 271 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: this is a heck of a talker here that all 272 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: female star studied Blue Origin crew is now being brought 273 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 2: back down to Earth figuratively, as several notable celebrities are 274 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: openly criticizing the trip as nothing more than an unnecessary, 275 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 2: wasteful publicity stunt. Words like privileged, exploitation, gluttonous are being 276 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: thrown around woo. 277 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: Katy Perry and Gail King were among the six woman 278 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: crew that went on the ten minute ride to space 279 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: on Monday aboard Blue Origin. The trip had been promoted 280 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: for weeks as history making and inspiring. The women were 281 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: on the cover of magazines. Gail's preparation was followed closely 282 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: by her CBS Morning colleagues. Bezos fiance was on board, 283 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: Oprah was there to support her friend. A couple of 284 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: Kardashians were there at the launch. Katy Perry even saying 285 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,479 Speaker 1: in space, Okay. 286 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: This was a well produced, made for TV moment if 287 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: you've ever seen it, And that was just a kind 288 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: of a general sense of excitement that this was taking place. 289 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: And we will have to admit we got caught up 290 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: and we're excited about it and watching it as well. 291 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: But one person's excitement is another person's disgust. Yes, disgusted 292 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: is the word that model Emily Radikowski Radakowski Okay, Emily 293 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: Radakowski used in a social media video talking about the 294 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: Blue Origin trip. And this is what she said. Look 295 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: at the state of the world and think about how 296 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: many resources went into putting these women into space and 297 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: for what for what? What was the marketing there? I'm disgusted, literally, 298 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: I'm disgusting. 299 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: That seems like a lot. But guess what she was 300 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: just getting warmed up. She went on to say this, 301 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: having a man who has gained his power and become 302 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: a part of the one percent purely through exploitation and greed, 303 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: deciding to take his fiance and a few other famous 304 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: women to space for space tourism is not progress. Nope, 305 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: still not done. She added. This privilege is not an accomplishment. 306 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: Exploitation is certainly not an accomplishment. And being able to 307 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: take the privilege that you have gained from exploitation and 308 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: greed of the planet, of resources, of human beings and 309 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: then doing something like going to space for eleven minutes 310 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: is certainly not an accomplishment. I think we're at a 311 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: place in the world where we need to be able 312 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: to discern what real progress looks like, and what happened 313 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: yesterday was nothing like that. 314 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: No, no, this was not a one offer, folks. This 315 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: was not just her popping off on her own. Actress 316 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: Olivia Mile Wild excuse me, Olivia Wild chimed in saying, 317 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: simply this a billion dollars bought some good memes. I guess. 318 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: Comedian Amy Schumer mocked the trip and a video online, 319 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: and then actress Olivia Mon said, prior to the trip quote, 320 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: there are so many other things that are so important 321 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: in the world right now. What are you guys going 322 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: to do up in space? What's the point Is it 323 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: historic that you guys are going on a ride. I 324 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: think it's a bit gluttonous. The cover of L magazine, 325 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 326 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: I think she does know what she thinks. Gail King 327 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: and Lauren Sanchez have acknowledged that some criticism was out there. 328 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: King had said that people who are criticizing don't really 329 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: understand what's happening here, and she encouraged them to do 330 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: more of a deep dive on the trip, and Sanchez 331 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: said this, I would love to have critics come to 332 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: Blue Origin and see the thousands of employees that don't 333 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: just work there, but they put their heart and soul 334 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: into this vehicle. They love their work and they loved 335 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: the mission, and it's a big deal for them. 336 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: You know. 337 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting that much pushback or that much criticism, 338 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: and notably by other women. I don't know that we've 339 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: heard a man way in on this, and perhaps maybe 340 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: smartly so they have not. 341 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: We know better. I'm just going to sit here quietly. 342 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want to say. But I 343 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: was but why why? It makes sense? But very strong criticism. 344 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: There's some criticism having to do is like mother Earth? 345 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: Why be you that kind of wasteful? But I don't know, 346 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: there's some balance you have to find. I think they 347 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: made an argument that there was inspiration, science, there was 348 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: something behind this other than a joy ride. But I 349 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: don't know if that message. Yeah. 350 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's obviously entitled, entitled to their means, but 351 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: I just don't know that it's to me. When you're 352 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: throwing words like disgusting out there, you're adding to the problem, 353 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: not solving it. 354 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: That is strong. You're right, it's a matter of some time. 355 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: You could. You would listen to it differently, depending on 356 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: the words that were chosen. But why all women? Why 357 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: it seemed it's tough for me to hear very prominent 358 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: and successful and talented and respected women criticize this other 359 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: group of respected, talented women. 360 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 1: It's not fun to watch as a woman. I can 361 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: say that much. It doesn't It doesn't make you feel good, 362 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: does it. I think you can still have a conversation, 363 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: you can still disagree without using certain words and going 364 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: below the belt. 365 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 2: All right, Well, next up on our run here, the 366 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: last leg of our run. Here, on this Wednesday, we 367 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 2: are going to talk about long time in legendary game 368 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: show host Wink Martindale. He has passed away at the 369 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: age of ninety one. Died in California with his family 370 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: by his side, according to a statement from the family. 371 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: Yes, Martindale was the host of what seemed like countless 372 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: game shows starting in the seventies, most notably notably as 373 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: the host of Gambit High Rollers and Tic Tac Dough 374 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: He had, Yeah, that was the when we watched. I 375 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: was looking at the years too. It was like laid 376 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: seventies to like mid eighties, like eighty five sweet Spot, 377 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: seventy five years in broadcasting, But we were actually talking. 378 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: You know, his name wasn't on the same level. 379 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: Obviously. 380 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: I knew Bob Barker and Bob you Banks and Chuck Woolry, 381 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: but Marketdal Martindale. I had to look him up, and 382 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: as soon as I saw his face, I knew exactly 383 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: who he was. 384 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: See, I didn't make the link. I knew the name, 385 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: and I would have. I was thinking was an actor, 386 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: and then I saw his face. I was like, oh 387 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: that guy. So anybody who's hearing us right now, you 388 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: probably know the name. You certainly one hundred percent know 389 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: the face. I did not know he's star I had. 390 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: I am just blown away. Now he's a homeboy. This 391 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: guy is from Jackson, Tennessee, was born there. Started his 392 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: career in Jackson, but moved to Memphis, which is where 393 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: he became he really took off, and where he befriended 394 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: a young rock star by the name of Elvis Presley. 395 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: He actually gave one of his first ever television interviews. 396 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: He did with Elvis Presley. I had no idea. 397 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: That's so cool, and I don't know, it's funny, like 398 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: I think about Memphis and Tennessee and back in the day, 399 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: and I still remember him here. I never heard his 400 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: Southern accent from him, so that's actually interesting too. 401 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: Do you ever hear mine? O? 402 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a drawl to you? 403 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. 404 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: You get a nice Memphis drawl. It's not Yeah, it's 405 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: perfect for broadcasting. It's just a touch, little drop. You 406 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: can tell you're from the South. 407 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: Well, he's great, Wink Martindale. And I also didn't know 408 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: this wink whose name is Wink. Well, his name is 409 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: actually Winston Conrad Martindale as I was born, and he 410 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: got the nickname Wink and it stuck. But he had 411 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: a bunch of shows. Another Little Nugget Gambit was a 412 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: successful show. He was hosting until nineteen seventy five when 413 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: another show came along that became popular and kicked it 414 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: off the air. 415 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: That show was Will of Fortune. 416 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: I launched in nineteen seventy and that was his competition. 417 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: His show went off the air and he ended up 418 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: later doing Tiktac Dough. But just what a career, what 419 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 2: a life in ninety one. Yes, it's always sad when 420 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: somebody passes, but what an extraordinary life he was able 421 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: to live. 422 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: Yes, and we want to thank him for all the 423 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: years of entertainment he provided so many of us. 424 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: All Right, folks, as you go about your day, as always, 425 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: we'd like for you to consider this as you go 426 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: about your day. It is our quote of a day. 427 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, hump day. It's Wednesday. He might have a lot 428 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: of I don't know, arduous tasks ahead of you, so 429 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: I love this quote getting through the week. The difference 430 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: between a stumbling block and a stepping stone is how 431 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: high you raise your foot. That feels empowering. I loved it. 432 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: How you raise your foot you take a bigger step. 433 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you can look at something as a stumbling 434 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: block because you couldn't lift your foot high enough, or 435 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: you can look at as a stepping stone that's getting 436 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: you closer to your goal. 437 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: It's how you're viewing what's in front of you. Yeah, 438 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 2: now I get it. And folks, if you don't know, 439 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: Robes is respond before our quotes of the day most times, 440 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: so she puts them in. Sometimes I don't see him 441 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 2: until this moment. So that's why I'm right now trying 442 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: to piece it together. 443 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: All I can see the light bulb go off in 444 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: your head. 445 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 2: There it is, so, folks, your quote of the day 446 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: is this the difference between the stombaching block and a 447 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: stepping stone is how high you raise your foot. And 448 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: with that, folks, we certainly hope you have a good 449 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: hopesday Wednesday. Congrats on getting past tax day tax Day, 450 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: and we will of course sue you back here old 451 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: and run tomorrow. 452 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: Tej and I'm Amy Robock. Have a wonderful day everyone, 453 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: See you tomorrow.