1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: President Trump just hit Canada with a new set of 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: tariffs in their big fifty percent. Look, this is a 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: big deal. He's sending a message to every other country watching. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: They're waiting for the next round of the global trade war. 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: The message is simple. It's not actually about Canada. It's this. 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: It's if you retaliate, your trade deal may not save you. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Canada was just the first one to find that out. So, yes, 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: this is a story about a fifty percent tariff on 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Canadian goods. We'll get into that. But it's also a 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: story about whether executive power can be used this way, 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: about America's place in the world, about whether we the 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: United States, is capable of coming to terms with and 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: living up to a trade agreement, and about what the 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: White House may be trying to signal to every other 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: trading partner right now. Fundamentally, it's a story about the 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: future of our economy. Now. It matters for American family 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: because ultimately, what the President's doing is imposing taxes on Americans. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: He's imposing taxes on Americans who buy stuff from Canada, 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: another way of saying you, you are paying these taxes. 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: It also matters for Canada. My rough instant analysis, and 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: it's very quick and dirty, says, this is a much 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: bigger deal than the president's most recent volleys in our 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: on again, off again trade war with our nearest neighbor. 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: And it matters for the rest of the world and 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: our relationship with the rest of that global economy because 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: the next round of the trade war, it's just around 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: the corner. Okay, So what actually happened yesterday? That was 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: July twenty The White House posted three proclamations using what's 29 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: called Section three hundred and thirty eight of the Tarifact 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: of nineteen thirty And if you'd never heard of it before, 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: don't worry. It was on no one's bingo card. This 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: was a very surprising legal theory. Each one of these 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: proclamations slaps an extra fifty percent tariff on a different 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: list of Canadian goods, and those tariffs they're set to 35 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: come into effect in a month's time. Given the President 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: and he's on again, off again nature of all of this, 37 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: when he says something's going to happen in thirty days time, 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: that either means it will happen in thirty days time 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: or it won't happen in thirty days time, or there'll 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: be a lot of drama between now and thirty days time. 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: Take your pick. These disputes, they have these labels. They're 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: officially over motive vehicles, alcoholic beverages, and dairy. Look, there's 43 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of ink spilled over these disputes, 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: and you might ask, what is our real beef with 45 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: Canadian dairy, booze and cars. Let me save you the time. 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: The dispute over dairy and boos they're economically tiny. They 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: barely matter for the US economy at all. The motor 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: vehicle thing, it's a bit bigger. But it's really about 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Canada having retaliated in response to Trump's trade wars. So 50 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: he tried tariffs. They they send a few back, and 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: the President's upset about here that Look, there's really not 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: much here to these particular complaints other than a desire 53 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: to punch Canada dressed up in a novel legal theory. 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: But this punch, this set of punches, is different. The 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: White House says that these tariffs hit the list of goods, 56 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: whether or not they qualify under our existing free trade 57 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: agreement with Canada, that free trade agreements called the USMCA. 58 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: Let me put that in plain English. Even if a 59 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: Canadian good ticks every box in order to deserve or 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: warrant preferential treatment under our existing free trade agreement, the 61 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: White House has said, we're not going to give you 62 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: that preferential treatment the free trade agreement we signed. We're 63 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: just going to ignore it. Now, why does that matter 64 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: so much? He needs to know a bit of history. 65 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: If the US Canada trade war of twenty twenty five 66 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty six, because there was a lot of 67 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: tariff chaos early in Trump's second term, I'm sure you 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: remember it, but having your goods be compliant with the 69 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: existing US Canada Mexico free trade agreement was actually really 70 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: important to skate patch. So throughout twenty twenty five, the 71 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: White House was throwing around these tariff threats would reckless abandon, 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: but would also quietly ad an asterisk, saying that these 73 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: threats would apply to every country and every good, oh, 74 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: except for those from Canada and Mexico that would qualify 75 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: under our existing free trade agreement. It was a special 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: deal for our nearest neighbors, I think, mainly to try 77 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: and reduce some of the economic havoc that the trade 78 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: wars were causing. Well, this turned out to be a 79 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: really important eskate patch because almost all of the Canadian 80 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: trade that was caught up in those earlier fights actually 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: qualified has been compliant with our existing free trade agreements. 82 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: A Canadian Finance Department briefing said ninety seven percent of 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: Canadian exports covered by those earlier tariffs were KUZMA compliant. 84 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: Came in Judy three. KUZMA. What's that, Well, that's what 85 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: the Canadians call the USMCA. It's not a French translation. 86 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: They just have different laws up there, but it's the 87 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: Canadian name. It's the same deal, different name. So look, 88 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: the rough version is something like ninety percent of Canadian 89 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: goods were exempt from all of the machinations of the 90 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: Trump trade war. Our relationship with Canada. The rhetoric was bad, 91 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: but the reality was that we were trading pretty well 92 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: with Canada throughout the trade war. Basically, the message was 93 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: that if you get your paperwork right, if you qualify 94 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: your product, then you get shelter from the storm, the president, 95 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: of course being the storm. Now the message is for 96 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: this list of goods, the shelter doesn't work anymore. And 97 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: that's why this is a much bigger deal than it 98 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: might sound like at first. Now I probably need to 99 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: give you a bit more history about what's going on here, 100 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: And honestly, the history here is so absurd that the 101 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: best thing I can do is just line the facts 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: up and let them do the comedy for you. First 103 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: of all, Trump spent his first term telling everyone that 104 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: NAFTA was a disaster, and n after was the free 105 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: trade agreement between the US, Canada and Mexico negotiated by 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: President Clinton, passed by Congress. So the first president Trump 107 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: renegotiated it. Then he announced the replacement that was called 108 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: USMCA rhymes a bit with YMCA, one of his favorite songs, 109 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: and he announced it like he discovered fire and fentted 110 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: trade and personally rescued North America from him a deal 111 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: that the United States had. This is the awkward bit, 112 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: the embarrassing bit. We had noticeably already been in the 113 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: free trade deal with remarkably similar rules for decades. The President, 114 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: of course, held a whole new signing ceremony. There were flags, 115 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: people applauded, there were sharpies, but nothing really changed except 116 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: the branding. We now had new initials for our new 117 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: free trade agreement with Canada, but it was basically the 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: old one with a new dressing. President Trump got elected again, 119 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and so in the second term he decided he really 120 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: hated that agreement that the first President Trump had struck 121 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: with Canada, and he kept eating Canada with tariffs anyway, 122 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: and then he adjusted them, and then he would carve 123 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: out USMCA compliant goods. Then he slapped sectoral tariffs on 124 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: other stuff, and then he kept telling everyone that the 125 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: trade agreement that inherited from his incompetent predecessor that was 126 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: President Trump wasn't very good anyway. And so now here 127 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: we are again, same president reaching for a law from 128 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty to tariff Canadian goods even when they qualify 129 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: under the trade agreement that replaced the trade agreement that 130 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: he blew up in order to write this trade agreement. Look, 131 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: this isn't really trade policy. This is a man negotiating 132 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: with himself, with his ego and with his poor understanding 133 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: of what's really going on. He wanted to write a 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: deal to replace the deal that he blew up because 135 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: he hated the deal that he'd been in. But effectively 136 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: that original deal is still where we are it's all 137 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: just NAFTA with another name, and this White House can't stop, 138 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: won't stop. The White House recently said it's not going 139 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: to agree to renew the USMCA, that's the one that 140 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: President Trump renegotiated. They're not going to renew it in 141 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: its current form. This is more nonsense and more misdirection, 142 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: because if the three countries don't agree in the twenty 143 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: twenty six review to extend the deal for another sixteen years, 144 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: if they don't agree to a sixteen year renewal, then 145 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: the agreement, which passed Congress and his law in the 146 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: United States, it doesn't just vanish tomorrow. It stays in force. 147 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: It shifts from look, we agreed to a sixteen year 148 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: renewal to annual reviews. So every year now it's up 149 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: for renewal. And if every year they fail to extend 150 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: the agreement, guess what, it just continues. And it's going 151 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: to continue this way until twenty thirty six. So when 152 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: the President says he hasn't agreed to renew the deal, 153 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: that just means he's not agreed. But he goes to 154 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: his earlier agreement, which is that we automatically renew the 155 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: deal and we're going to continue to do so for 156 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: another teen year. So what's happening. In reality? We have 157 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: a trade deal which keeps renewing, which past Congress, but 158 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: also in a different reality, the President's does it off 159 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: this nineteen thirty law to say, effectively, we reserve the 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: right to treat the deal as purely optional whenever it 161 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: gets inconvenient, even though Congress passed it. Yes, the courts 162 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: are going to get involved. Look, I know that trade 163 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: agreements are always a mix of rules and politics, and 164 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: fair enough, I get that the whole point of signing one. Well, really, 165 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 1: the whole point of signing one is to create and 166 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: understanding you and your partner can rely on each other. 167 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: A trade agreement's meant to be like a marriage vow. 168 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: It's for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, and 169 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: sickness and in health. And when you marry someone you 170 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: can invest more deeply in your relationship knowing that they're 171 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: going to be there for you and with you under 172 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: those terms in the future. But mate, if NAFTA or 173 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: the UMCA or whatever we're calling it these days, as 174 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: a marriage this has turned into an abusive marriage. Now 175 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: it turns out that the latest renegotiation, by which I 176 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: mean the President deciding he's going to issue literally dozens 177 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: of pages of new tariffs ends up looking incredibly weird. 178 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: And that's because we're going to need to talk about 179 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: the novel legal theory behind our new trade war with 180 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: Canada on a remind you, I'm not a lawyer, so 181 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm just going to sketch out the big details. Okay, 182 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: big picture. Remember, the Constitution gives Congress, not the President, 183 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: the power of a tariffs in the US was formed at 184 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: a revolt over taxes. We thought the people's house, rather 185 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: than the king, should handle taxes. So the Constitution gives 186 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: all the default powers over tarifts to Congress, which means 187 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: if the President is going to do something without Congress, 188 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: and that's his determination he's decided to do, none of 189 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: the Trump trade war has gone through Congress. Means he 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: has to pretend that somewhere along the line Congress gave 191 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: him the power to host tariffs. Now, the courts have 192 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: really forced President Trump to pay attention to this, and 193 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court ruled many of his existing tariffs unconstitutional 194 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: and illegal because they didn't come from Congress. So these 195 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: new anti Canada proclamations. They learn on what's called section 196 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty eight of the Tariff Act of 197 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty. This isn't normal trade law plumbing. This is 198 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: the White House heading down into the basement to find 199 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: an old wrench. It's a dusty, old trade war wrench 200 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: from nineteen thirty. It was last years when Herbert Hoover 201 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: was still in the building. Section three hundred and thirty eight, 202 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: let's the president slap additional duties on a country of 203 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: up to fifty percent if he finds that another country 204 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: discriminates against US commerce, or if it piles an unreasonable 205 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: unequal burden on the United States, and the law says 206 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: that the tariff should offset that burden or disadvantage. So 207 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: the statute reads at least a bit like it's a 208 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: retaliation tool, but it's not a free floating smash whatever 209 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: you want button. And the modern analysts that I've looked 210 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: at they read it the same way. There was a 211 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: February twenty twenty sixth briefing from my friends that the 212 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: Peterson is for International Economics, which called section three thirty 213 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: eight quote an untested retaliatory tool and said that it 214 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: had never been used to apply to a tariff, although 215 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: it has been threatened that way over the years. It 216 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: does sound like though it's meant to invoke some degree 217 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: of proportionality in the response. So look this law. It 218 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: is weird. It's a weird way of moving forward. And 219 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: that weird law is where you get a weird list 220 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: of the things that the United States now is going 221 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: to taraf Again, I want to remind you, let's go 222 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: back the proclamations from the President say we've got a 223 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: complaint because we've got dispirites around cars, around alcohol, and 224 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: around dairy. Now, it doesn't mean that in return, we're 225 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: going to put tariffs on cars, booze, and milk or cheese. 226 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: But what we're actually going to do is hit a 227 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: random rab bag of goods that the US imports from Canada. 228 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: So there's a long annex, many pages that tells you 229 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: what goods we're going to hit. Now, the White House 230 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: has carved out a bunch of stuff that it says 231 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: we really want from Canada. We're not going to tariff 232 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: those things. That's energy, pittash, critical minerals, certain aircraft goods, 233 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: and everything that's already under Section two thirty two tariffs. 234 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: So what you end up with, for instance, is a 235 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: proclamation about our complaints about how the Canadians are treating 236 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: American cars, and then we're going to impost tariffs on 237 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: all sorts of things that have nothing to do with cars, 238 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: so honey and flowers and cement and plastics and furniture 239 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: and telecom gear. Basically, US tariff policy has discovered the 240 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: US Canadian junk draw and that really is the explanation 241 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: for what's going on here. Okay, what about the economic effects, 242 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: I think mostly relatively small direct effects for the United States, 243 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: real money for Canada. And what really matters is what 244 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: it's going to do to the Americans, America's place in 245 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: the world. So let's do some arithmetic. And I want 246 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: to show you a little bit of modesty here. I 247 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: don't have a polished, huge quantitative model of what's going 248 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: on here. I've just got a day one snap instant 249 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: analysis which I'm just going to try to get the 250 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: orders of magnitude right. What's going on here? My raugh 251 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: estimate is that the tariffs that are listed o but 252 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: literally dozens of pages of a presidential proclamation. I want 253 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: to note to you, by the way, the White House 254 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: never says anything about what they think the economic consequences 255 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: will be. That apparently is a secret. Maybe they did 256 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: their homework and they aren't telling us. Maybe they never 257 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: did any homework and they don't care. But my analysis 258 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: says that these tariffs will probably cover a bit more 259 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: than twenty billion dollars of goods that come from Canada 260 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: into the United States. That's maybe round about five percent 261 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: of what we import from Canada. So it's meaningful without 262 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: being huge, that five percent big plus or minus around it. 263 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: So for the United States, my reader is basically feeling 264 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: modest macro canomic effect with very real microeconomic consequences. Roughly speaking, 265 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: it might cost the typical American household fifty bucks, maybe 266 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: one hundred bucks, maybe one hundred and fifty bucks a year. 267 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: All that's going to depend on what you want to 268 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: your economic assumptions about pass through substitutions. And they think, importantly, 269 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: when we have less competition from Canada, it doesn't just 270 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: hurt Americans who buy stuff from Canada, because that means 271 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: less competition for American firms. And so some American firms 272 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: now face less competition and they might jack up their 273 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: prices too, So the effects here are meaningful, but not giganty. 274 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: My friends in Canada, and yes, you are still my friends. 275 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: I have a brother who lives in Canada. I love 276 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: him very much, but I love all my Canadian friends. 277 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: This surreal hit. It's not because it covers all exports. 278 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't. But roughly speaking, this is going to apply 279 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: to something like three percent of Canada's total exports across 280 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: all countries. It's nearly one percent of GDP the export 281 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: of these goods to the United States, and all of 282 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, there's a fifty percent tariff wall. Look, that 283 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: is the sort of thing the businesses are going to notice, 284 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: exporters are going to notice, the provinces are going to notice. 285 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: So all of this is going to create uncertainty above 286 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: and beyond the specific tariffs that the President is listed. 287 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: I want you to realize, though, that this is a slice. 288 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: It's a meaningful slice, and compared to a lot of 289 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: what was happening earlier in Trump's second term, where there 290 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: was the escape patch, that escape patch has gone. There's 291 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: a very real and very genuine escalation from the United 292 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: States here. And let me tell you beyond just the 293 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: spreadsheet lines and the numbers and the industries that are affected. 294 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: I've been talking with my Canadian family, with my Canadian friends, 295 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: Canadian journals, have been reading the Canadian media, and let 296 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: me tell your folks, they are mad. They are hopping mad. 297 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: It's not just that they see this as unfair. It's 298 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: not just that they see that their free trade agreement 299 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: has been breached again rebreached. Is that they see themselves 300 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: as being treated poorly, as a horn in the game, 301 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: as President Trump not taking the relationship remotely seriously. They, 302 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: let me tell you, are sick of this. I've talked 303 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: to Canadians have said they will never come to the 304 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: United States again, They will never buy an American made 305 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: product again. None of that is stuff you can deal 306 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: with in a trade agreement. This is a population who 307 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: are sick and tired of the United States, and individually 308 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: they want to retaliate. And many of them are saying 309 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: to me, why Canada, Why now? And I think this 310 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: is an important question on both sides of the border. Look, 311 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: some part of what the administration is saying as plause 312 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: will a lot of it as not the dairy dispute. 313 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: It's probably the cleanest rationale on its own. The US 314 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: has been whining about the way Canada runs its dairy 315 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: tariff quotas for years. The Americans don't like it. Here's 316 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: the flip side. The other side is, this is a 317 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: tremendously powerful political lobby in Canada. Here's the real dirty 318 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: work of how trade deals work. The Americans are meant 319 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: to get in a room with the Canadians and they 320 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: meant to say, let's try and free up trade. And 321 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: basically that's how both NAFTA and USMCA works. And then 322 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: both sides sort of said, you know what, I've got 323 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: a few political problems at home. I can get most 324 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: trade freed up and we can have a pretty good relationship. 325 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give me a couple of mulligans 326 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: here because there's a few industries it's not worth the 327 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: political headache. And the Americans list, there's the Canadians list, 328 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: there's and what you end up with is never perfectly 329 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: free trade, but mostly free trade. The US dairy industry 330 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: is one of those areas where it's just going to 331 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: be too hard for the Canadians to get it done. 332 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: I think they should. I wish they would, but if 333 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: I were in charge, of US trade policy. I would 334 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: understand this as part of Look, they're most of the 335 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: way there. Here's a tiny, economically insignificant industry to the 336 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: United States, which is politically very important in Canada. And 337 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: so this is the sort of thing where you know, 338 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: it's just good grace in a trade agreement to just 339 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: quietly admit there's a little bit of politics that makes 340 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: us difficult to get to the perfect economic agreement, and 341 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: so you know, having a trade agreement doesn't make those 342 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: politics disappear. The alcohol dis it's smaller and it's more provincial. 343 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: It's basically dug Ford doesn't like Americans buying Canadian wine. 344 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: He wants to punch back, and some of the other 345 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: provinces have done that as well. It's not coming from 346 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: the national government. The motor vehicle fight. It's all tied 347 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: up with earlier rounds of tariff from the United States 348 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: and retaliation and retaliation from retaliation. I think the point 349 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: here is, though, is if you step back from the 350 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: legal labels and the novel legal theory here and ask 351 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: what's the broader play that we're seeing here, I think 352 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: the answer is it's bigger and dairy. It's bigger and booze, 353 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: it's bigger in cars. In fact, my interpretation, I want 354 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: to be clear, this is an interpretation. It's mine. It 355 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: could be wrong, it's probably right. That's why I'm telling 356 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: it with Yeah. My interpretation is that actually it's not 357 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: about Canada. That Canada is the test case. It's the 358 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: punching dummy that we're going to beat up. See, the 359 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: White House has gone out of its way to point 360 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: out that the only two countries that retaliated against the 361 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: United States were Canada and China, and that it went 362 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: out of its way to note that that's not just 363 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: a complaint, that's a message, and I think you've got 364 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: to hear that message in the context of whatever's coming 365 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: next in your global trade war. The administration is really 366 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: right on the cusp of imposing a whole new set 367 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: of tariffs on all of its major trading partners, sixty countries. 368 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: I've made another video about they'll try and link that below. 369 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: But basically, it's got another legal theory. It's all about 370 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: forced labor. I don't believe it's got anything to do 371 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: with force labor, but it's got another legal theory where 372 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: it thinks it can reimpose tariff's on the rest of 373 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: the world. Those new tariffs are coming any week now, 374 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: which means that any week now other countries around the 375 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: world are facing a moment of truth should they retaliate 376 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: against the United States. And I think the answer is 377 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: that the United States is trying to say, Hey, look out, 378 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: if you retaliate against US, boom, We're coming right back 379 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: at you. So by this view, these tariffs, they're not 380 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: about Canada. They're actually about the next round of the 381 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: global trade war. Hey, I want us to slow down, 382 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: step back, and really see the big picture here. Because 383 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: the big picture and the lesson I really want you 384 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: to take away from this is the value of a 385 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: trade agreement isn't in what the text says, just like 386 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: the value of a marriage agreement is beyond the precise 387 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: promise you say it out loud on your wedding day. 388 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: It's more about whether the institutions actually hold the people 389 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: in charge to what they say they've agreed to. If 390 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: a deal only protects you until the next presidential mood swing, 391 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: then what you've got isn't really a rule. It's just 392 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: a junk drawer. It's a junk draw full of old 393 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: wrenchers and honey and hockey sticks and whatever else. Someone 394 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: decided to grab that moment and tariff that afternoon