Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, guys, Before we get into the show,
Speaker 1: I want to give you a warning. My guest's hosts
Speaker 1: this week take us in some different directions than usual,
Speaker 1: so I want to give you a heads up. This
Speaker 1: one's a little less family safe than some of our
Speaker 1: usual episodes. I want to give you a fair warning.
Speaker 1: Maybe throw some ear muffs on or tune into a
Speaker 1: different show. Thanks, Sol, Here we go.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
Speaker 2: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven
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Speaker 2: Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on
Speaker 1: the show, roles are being reversed and I am being
Speaker 1: put through the what would you do? Gauntlet, breaking down
Speaker 1: exactly how I'd handle the most challenging deer hunting scenarios.
Speaker 1: The guest's host Tony and Dan Kin dream of All right,
Speaker 1: welcome to the wiretong podcast, brought to you by First Light,
Speaker 1: and today we have got a very special episode. We
Speaker 1: are finishing up our what would you do? Series, but
Speaker 1: we're doing it in wildly different fashion. I guess you
Speaker 1: could say, because we're gonna flip the script and I
Speaker 1: am going to go from the host to instead the guest,
Speaker 1: and we will talk about what I would do in
Speaker 1: different hypothetical scenarios. And to do that, there was only
Speaker 1: two people I could possibly bring on that could carry
Speaker 1: that weight, that could handle that burden well, and that
Speaker 1: would be my two right hand men here on the
Speaker 1: Wiretome Podcast. Over the years, we've got the og Dan Johnson,
Speaker 1: mister nine Fingers himself back on the show, and then
Speaker 1: we've got Tony Spacener Peterson who is going to be
Speaker 1: here to help us as well. So Dan and Tony welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, and thank you for doing this.
Speaker 3: Thanks Mary, appreciate it. Mark. That was a wonderful introduction.
Speaker 3: Now I'm really looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say in the outset for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: like anything that Tony and Dan bring up, it's likely false.
Speaker 1: Any ship they talk is likely unsubstantiated. But I am
Speaker 1: prepared to be uh, just battered with with negativity and
Speaker 1: bs from these two. So that's uh, that's what's on
Speaker 1: the menu. And I will say one thing if we
Speaker 1: have time, and I think we'll figure out a way
Speaker 1: to have time for this. I also want to end
Speaker 1: the show by doing our little goals, Hopes and hit
Speaker 1: lists segment that we usually do an episode, talking through
Speaker 1: what our plans are for the season, what our personal
Speaker 1: goals are. I just want to set ourselves up for
Speaker 1: the hunting seasons kicking off here, you know, for all
Speaker 1: of us here pretty darn soon. So that'll be how
Speaker 1: we wrap it up. But with that said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to hand the reins over to you too. I don't
Speaker 1: know what kind of plan you have in place. I
Speaker 1: give you free reign to do what you want. All
Speaker 1: you need to do is ask me hypothetical deer hunting
Speaker 1: scenarios and let me answer. And with those guardrails in place,
Speaker 1: I now give you my baby and I will let
Speaker 1: you take it where you please.
Speaker 3: So, Dan, do you want me to kick this one off?
Speaker 4: Yeah? But I have to say something real quick before
Speaker 4: before you ask the first legit question, and that is
Speaker 4: I really hope that this conversation today and the questions
Speaker 4: that we are about to ask Mark really help Hunters
Speaker 4: this upcoming season. Through Mark's answers, I feel like we're
Speaker 4: going to be able to give some really good insight
Speaker 4: into helping others attain their goals.
Speaker 1: That was way too serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It seems like there's a butt coming, Dan.
Speaker 3: I think there is a huge butt coming, a huge one.
Speaker 4: Like I'll be honest, Mark, you should have never asked
Speaker 4: us to do this.
Speaker 1: Uh, well made my own bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy, the microphone is yours. So first off, just
Speaker 3: to piggyback on that, Dan, this is I do actually
Speaker 3: think this is cool, Mark, because normally there's like an
Speaker 3: expert hunter that you're asking questions too, and this should
Speaker 3: be This is sort of like Steph Curry sitting in
Speaker 3: the broadcast, but with calling a game while some random
Speaker 3: dudes play basketball on the court.
Speaker 1: Honest people, people would love to watch that.
Speaker 3: They would honestly, this is This is going to be
Speaker 3: the most relatable one ever because you're you're always talking
Speaker 3: to people who are so accomplished, and now this is
Speaker 3: going to be like, you know, amateur Hour. Actually, Mark,
Speaker 3: I do have some serious questions for you. Good and
Speaker 3: I want I want to kick one off. Okay, you're ready,
Speaker 3: I'm ready. So let's say it's two weeks before the
Speaker 3: Michigan opener and you lose all of your sweet easy
Speaker 3: spots in southern Michigan, they're gone. They're like Mark, you're out. Whatever.
Speaker 3: The only choice you have, for whatever reason is to
Speaker 3: go bowhunt public land in the up for the first
Speaker 3: few days of the season. What's your first move? First
Speaker 3: move right off the bat.
Speaker 1: The very first move would be probably to pull up
Speaker 1: maps and look at what's up there in the up
Speaker 1: and look for clearcuts on public land. I think that'd
Speaker 1: be my starting point. I try to you know, everything
Speaker 1: is pretty remote up there, so I wouldn't be too
Speaker 1: terribly worried about, you know, escaping hunting pressure. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting pressure up there. There's tons and
Speaker 1: tons and tons of public land. I think the the
Speaker 1: more rare thing would be food, So I'd be looking
Speaker 1: for clearcuts or big public land that's next to some ag,
Speaker 1: which there's a few little spots where there might be
Speaker 1: some ag up there, but yeah, that'd be my number
Speaker 1: one thing, like trying to find a place I could
Speaker 1: find a rare food source on this big public land,
Speaker 1: which would probably be clearcuts. That'd be my first starting
Speaker 1: point with my e scouting, and once I found something
Speaker 1: like that, then that would dial me in to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's these would be some starting points that I'll go
Speaker 1: and check out.
Speaker 3: So okay, but you have a giant area to work with,
Speaker 3: do you do anything and go? I might stay here
Speaker 3: or I know about this area, because when you say
Speaker 3: that that's that that would be almost like step two
Speaker 3: for a lot of people. They'd have to be like,
Speaker 3: which part am I going to? Would you have an
Speaker 3: inclination to be like I'm in a camp or I'm
Speaker 3: gonna find a place with a motel first and a
Speaker 3: proximity thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question. So I would not have any kind
Speaker 1: of would camp is what I would most certainly do,
Speaker 1: And I would not have a preference as far as region,
Speaker 1: because you're right, it is a huge area. I guess
Speaker 1: the one thing maybe I would do, I know a
Speaker 1: couple people up there. I might ask a couple of
Speaker 1: the kind of light contacts I have if there's any
Speaker 1: kind of local intel as far as region to focus on.
Speaker 1: But honestly, I mean I would probably you know, as
Speaker 1: I think to this, I probably if I don't need
Speaker 1: to drive thirteen hours, i'd rather not, so I'd probably
Speaker 1: look at the more eastern part of the up But
Speaker 1: I would you know. Other than that, I would probably
Speaker 1: just pull up the maps and just start looking and
Speaker 1: just see, like, what region of this large region has
Speaker 1: a lot of clear cuts that are in that like
Speaker 1: three to five year you know age maybe and just
Speaker 1: start circling a bunch and I found a region where
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that. I basically what I'm looking
Speaker 1: for here is a region of this big woods country
Speaker 1: where there's been a lot of cutting in recent years.
Speaker 1: And so that might be one hundred square mile area,
Speaker 1: that might be a ten square mile area. I don't know,
Speaker 1: But that would just be that first thing. And once
Speaker 1: I have that first thing, then I would start, you know,
Speaker 1: looking more seriously, Okay, like what's where do I want
Speaker 1: to camp? Where are the places that I think deserve
Speaker 1: some more time? And then I might start talking to locals.
Speaker 1: I might you know, you know, in that kind of situation,
Speaker 1: there might be some folks at a local sporting good
Speaker 1: store or you know, maybe I would further drill into
Speaker 1: my personal network and try to see, like, hey, do
Speaker 1: you know anything about this area, just to build a
Speaker 1: little bit of you know, a little bit of an
Speaker 1: understanding of what I'm getting myself into up there. But
Speaker 1: that would be you know step step one and a half.
Speaker 4: Dan, all right, mark your main This one focuses on
Speaker 4: your main Michigan hunting property that you've been hunting for
Speaker 4: several years. And Uh, through our conversation that we've had,
Speaker 4: through all of the podcasts that we've done, it sounds
Speaker 4: like you attack it early right to try to catch
Speaker 4: that that bed to food pattern before it really changes,
Speaker 4: and then you go through a pretty long period of
Speaker 4: laying off of it until the rut starts to hit.
Speaker 4: So my question is, is you go through that period,
Speaker 4: that early season period chasing some maybe some of the
Speaker 4: deer on your property, but then through trail camera data,
Speaker 4: an absolute giant shows up that you have no history with.
Speaker 4: You've already put in the you know, you've already done
Speaker 4: the pressure for the initial early season hunts. What are
Speaker 4: your what's your next move on this once in a
Speaker 4: lifetime buck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're right. I usually hit the first like
Speaker 1: three days of the season in that local spot pretty hard.
Speaker 1: That's when I say hard, I mean I'd hunt some
Speaker 1: relatively invasive locations, but I know there's like a high
Speaker 1: odds chance of seeing one of my target bucks those
Speaker 1: first three days. But if an new buck shows up
Speaker 1: after that, typically I've got a set of trial cameras
Speaker 1: out that cover the places that I know historically are
Speaker 1: are kind of concentrations or funnels of deer activity that'll
Speaker 1: pick up anything going on. So I probably would not
Speaker 1: move cameras from those core historical locations. But if I
Speaker 1: found out that this new buck showed up on the
Speaker 1: south side, let's say I would probably pick a day
Speaker 1: and you know, add more cameras to that area. First off,
Speaker 1: So if I'm zeroing in on the south side, let's
Speaker 1: hypothetically say, you know, right now I've got one camera
Speaker 1: on the south side, I might add a couple more
Speaker 1: in different you know, exit points out of that general
Speaker 1: betting area. This this main spot that we're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, has basically two betting two betting regions in it,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of know there's either deer on
Speaker 1: the north side or on the south side. They're coming
Speaker 1: from one of these zones. So you know, whichever zone
Speaker 1: he's in, I would add add some cameras there. That's
Speaker 1: gonna give me a little bit of that uh you know,
Speaker 1: photo intel. And then you know we're talking about being
Speaker 1: in middle you know, or early October. Still I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about him. I would probably do some like
Speaker 1: observation sits would be the next thing I would do.
Speaker 1: Either there's a couple spots where I can just glass,
Speaker 1: like from the road, so I would do some glassing
Speaker 1: for sure, no doubt about that. But then you know,
Speaker 1: if we've got you know, some hunts or some days
Speaker 1: where the weather's not great, but I'm still trying to
Speaker 1: learn a little bit, that would That would be when
Speaker 1: I would go hunt a tree where I can get
Speaker 1: into one of these fence rows pretty far from the
Speaker 1: bedding area still, but I can get a view. And
Speaker 1: then you know, if hopefully between those three things then
Speaker 1: observation sit are two, sitting on the hills and glassing
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and then trail camp pictures, hopefully
Speaker 1: I'll kind of figure out, all right, you know, he's
Speaker 1: definitely in the south side. He definitely likes to do
Speaker 1: a couple of things. Maybe that gives me some information.
Speaker 1: Then I'm just gonna wait for good conditions to take
Speaker 1: a strike at them. I used to do what you mentioned,
Speaker 1: which was I would hunt the first few days and
Speaker 1: then I basically not touch this farm again. Till the
Speaker 1: end of October or November. I've gotten more and more
Speaker 1: confident in taking you know, some strikes in the middle
Speaker 1: of October. Now, I've just seen enough times to know
Speaker 1: that like these bucks, you know, they still move in
Speaker 1: October no matter what, Right, So there are opportunities. There's
Speaker 1: days when you can go in there and get a
Speaker 1: crack at a mature buck, even in southern Michigan on
Speaker 1: October thirteenth. So if we get a good front that
Speaker 1: comes through, those will be days that I will absolutely
Speaker 1: go in there and hunt close to that bedroom. So
Speaker 1: these betting areas, they're both pretty big. I mean when
Speaker 1: I say pretty big, we're talking like a five to
Speaker 1: ten acre area for either one of those. I kind
Speaker 1: of know now after you know, hunting here for a
Speaker 1: decade plus those main exit and entry those exit routes
Speaker 1: out of the betting year typically are. So I would
Speaker 1: have a good starting point at least for you know,
Speaker 1: where I would go in for a hanging hunt, and
Speaker 1: that would be you know that that'd be the beginning
Speaker 1: that that kind of intel collection. And then once the
Speaker 1: good weather's there, So I'm looking for that you know,
Speaker 1: ten to twenty degree temperature drop kind of front that
Speaker 1: comes through, whether that's October twelfth, or if that doesn't
Speaker 1: happen till the twenty fourth, then I'll wait till the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth or whatever it is. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: hunt tight to that betting area for a deer like
Speaker 1: that until you have the good weather, because there are,
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of different hunters hunting all
Speaker 1: around here, and so you know, if I hunt a
Speaker 1: bunch on the credit days when it would be really
Speaker 1: hard to see this deer, you know, he'll very quickly.
Speaker 1: What I've seen with these deer in the past, very quickly,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll spend less time on my property in
Speaker 1: the daylight and more time on the neighbors. And there's
Speaker 1: some good hunters on the neighbors now, and they'll take
Speaker 1: it avantage of that. So I'm happy to hunt in
Speaker 1: the middle of October now, But it's got to be
Speaker 1: the right conditions in this situation, and this farm, the
Speaker 1: way it sets up, does not set up very well
Speaker 1: for morning hunts really anytime of the year. So I
Speaker 1: probably would not do a morning hunt until later in October,
Speaker 1: even though I know you could pull it off if
Speaker 1: had better access. I just don't have a good way
Speaker 1: to get into these bedrooms without having to take a
Speaker 1: pretty significant risk in covering open terrain. So what I
Speaker 1: do now when the you know, late October does arrive
Speaker 1: and I start hunting mornings here, I've started using an
Speaker 1: e bike and that I feel like I can get
Speaker 1: away with a little bit more, but that's still, you know,
Speaker 1: it's still some kind of impact. So I would wait
Speaker 1: until you know, the twenty fifth through the thirty first,
Speaker 1: somewhere in that ballpark would be when I would start,
Speaker 1: you know, crashing into the bedroom and hunting back in there,
Speaker 1: trying to get ahead of them and catch them coming back.
Speaker 1: And there's a few places that I have prepared for
Speaker 1: those types of hunts that I would then, depending on
Speaker 1: what I've learned so far, hunt those places too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Here here's I want to ask you another question to like,
Speaker 4: another question is this is this is again a once
Speaker 4: in a lifetime deer. And it sounds to me that
Speaker 4: even when it's a once in a lifetime deer and
Speaker 4: you're not familiar with him and he randomly shows up
Speaker 4: on trail camera, that you're still going to be conservative
Speaker 4: to your approach in this farm at this farm relatively.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm not gonna be I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go stupid like just because there's a two hundred
Speaker 1: inch deer or something. That doesn't mean I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: away everything I've learned, you know. And so what I've
Speaker 1: learned is, you know, it's not worth again. This is
Speaker 1: like I've got like thirty five acres of huntable ground
Speaker 1: to work with here. The rest is like fields, maybe
Speaker 1: forty acres of hunible ground. So it's like I've got
Speaker 1: two precious little bedding areas that I have to like nurture,
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what. And so if this big
Speaker 1: old buck has showed up there, you could very easily
Speaker 1: mess it up and he's off to some you know,
Speaker 1: even if he just bumps out of that a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't hunt him. So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do something crazy.
Speaker 3: But I know.
Speaker 1: What I do know, though, is if you are careful
Speaker 1: with this property and you don't muck it up, these
Speaker 1: deer can survive and stay around. Like there's enough good
Speaker 1: cover that if I don't push deer off this property,
Speaker 1: I'll have opportunities at them throughout the entire hunting season. Often,
Speaker 1: like I've killed a lot of deer in that post
Speaker 1: gun season late season time here. This historically really really
Speaker 1: hard for people in Michigan, and I've uniquely been able
Speaker 1: to keep deer around. But it's because I'm pretty darn
Speaker 1: targeted with how and when I strike, and I feel
Speaker 1: confident that you know, that would be the way to go,
Speaker 1: even if this is a once in a lifetime deer.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go just plunge into his bedding
Speaker 1: area and hunting there on hot days every night in
Speaker 1: October and screw it all up just because he's big
Speaker 1: and it's eccet fair enough.
Speaker 3: I get you where you needed to go, Dan, Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: did make you Tony. You need a little more caffeine.
Speaker 1: I feel like Tony's judgy. You're judging me over there
Speaker 1: for some reason. What the hell is your problem?
Speaker 3: No, buddy, there's a very safe Mark Kenyan answer. I
Speaker 3: was hoping you were going to say you'd abandon everything
Speaker 3: and just Bond's eye in there and go wild card
Speaker 3: and kill that sucker from the ground. But you know
Speaker 3: it's not your style. It's okay, buddy, I have one
Speaker 3: kind of a playoff of that. So you kind of
Speaker 3: kind of laid out how cautious you are and in
Speaker 3: protecting those little betting areas and stuff. So it's October
Speaker 3: tenth and you just know, you know, the lull is
Speaker 3: in full swing in Michigan. Your cameras are dead, You're
Speaker 3: not seeing any deer in the fields, and you're just like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to take off a little time, earn some
Speaker 3: brownie points at home, play this safe, like you just said.
Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, somebody puts a gun to
Speaker 3: your head and they say you've got to kill a
Speaker 3: three and a half year old plus before the week
Speaker 3: is out.
Speaker 1: What do you do on that same property?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in that case, I would, you know, go
Speaker 1: in for an evening hunt between I would get as
Speaker 1: tight to one of those betting areas as I possibly could.
Speaker 1: So what I would do is, you know, looking at
Speaker 1: the wind direction, see when I could get a wind
Speaker 1: direction that would kind of cut across the south side
Speaker 1: of that north betting ara or across the north side
Speaker 1: of the South betting area. Hopefully it's going to be westerly,
Speaker 1: and I would head in, you know, based on what
Speaker 1: camera or observation Debt has told me hopefully I will
Speaker 1: tell you which food source they're kind of triggering on
Speaker 1: a little bit more, or which one has got you know,
Speaker 1: a three and a half year old or a four
Speaker 1: and a half year old that's that's coming through that
Speaker 1: area a little bit more often, even if it's after daylight,
Speaker 1: I would pick whichever one seems to have the best
Speaker 1: chance of, you know, catching one moving that direction. So
Speaker 1: let's just say it's the north betting for a change
Speaker 1: of pace. And so this north betting area, there's there's
Speaker 1: a big crop field in the middle between these two
Speaker 1: betting areas, and this year it's corn. And then I've
Speaker 1: got a little tiny food plot up on that north
Speaker 1: side of the cornfield, and then the betting area is there.
Speaker 1: And so in this case, I would slip in there
Speaker 1: with a west wind that would blow my wind right
Speaker 1: in between those two betting areas and crossed. I'd get
Speaker 1: in there, and then I would slip in hopefully it's
Speaker 1: a windy day or something so I can get in close,
Speaker 1: and I would come up and get you know, there's
Speaker 1: actually some spots where I just know like deer bed
Speaker 1: in this let's say three ish acre thicket of like
Speaker 1: autumolive and buckthorn and tall grass and stuff. But I
Speaker 1: have got a pretty clear understanding of how they navigate
Speaker 1: through this terrain to get to one of those two
Speaker 1: food sources. And so I would just get really really close,
Speaker 1: I mean within eyesight of the betting are for sure,
Speaker 1: and there with my saddle and get up there on
Speaker 1: one of those main travel quarters. So there's like a
Speaker 1: transition area that goes from that, like three acre betting thicket,
Speaker 1: and there's, like I said, a couple of different ways
Speaker 1: that could go. So based on the wind, I'd pick
Speaker 1: whichever way the wind would work. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: I don't need these these bucks, especially a three year
Speaker 1: old buck, will come to these food sources not depending
Speaker 1: on wind. Like they don't need a wind in their
Speaker 1: face to go down there. So I would pick a
Speaker 1: wind that's safer for me, because I still believe that
Speaker 1: these three year olds will move down there, and yeah,
Speaker 1: get up in a saddle, and yeah if I if
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the good weather, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: get in there and take as many stabs as I can. Probably,
Speaker 1: you know, would pick whichever betting area to start with
Speaker 1: based on observation. Or trail cameras like I mentioned. But
Speaker 1: if I hunt that first one the first two nights
Speaker 1: and don't see anything, it's not happening. I'll bounce down
Speaker 1: to the southern betting area and try the same thing
Speaker 1: down there, and hopefully one those I will see something
Speaker 1: or get a piece of intel that helps me kind
Speaker 1: of narrow down, you know, if I need to tweak
Speaker 1: my setup a little bit. But I think I think
Speaker 1: you could certainly do that August tenth through the fifteenth
Speaker 1: without a doubt, even if the weather's bad. If the
Speaker 1: weather's great, if I do get a front that comes
Speaker 1: through during that week, then even better, and then I
Speaker 1: would probably go in for a morning hunt too if
Speaker 1: I get a front, so I would do evenings on
Speaker 1: the lousy days. And if we've got a front that
Speaker 1: pushes in let's say a few days into that hunt,
Speaker 1: then I will probably you know, set up in a
Speaker 1: location the previous evening that would work for the following
Speaker 1: morning hunt too, and hope to catch this buck or
Speaker 1: one of these bucks coming back into that bedroom. But
Speaker 1: this is it's you know, there's not a big mass impact.
Speaker 1: There are some oaks, but that's never been the kind
Speaker 1: of place where you can really count on an oak
Speaker 1: tree or two really pulling them. So it's it's it's
Speaker 1: really going to be knowing like they're coming to, you know,
Speaker 1: one of these two crop fields and they're exiting either
Speaker 1: gonna go to the neighbors or they're gonna go my way.
Speaker 1: And it's a little bit of a crapshoot on that front.
Speaker 1: So just don't get boogered, like, don't let them onto
Speaker 1: you as much as possible and get tight to that bedroom.
Speaker 1: And I think you know i'd get one to come.
Speaker 3: Through, so you you would consider hunting mornings.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, but only when I if I have that
Speaker 1: front during that time period. So if it's October fifteenth,
Speaker 1: there is a.
Speaker 3: Place onto your head. You gotta blow your brains out
Speaker 3: right on those books on the bookshelf behind you. If
Speaker 3: you don't do this and you're gonna maybe hunt mornings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't let me take that back. If we
Speaker 1: get to the end of the week and it hasn't
Speaker 1: worked out for me, then I would, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's the last two or three days, then then yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess there's a gun to my head and I'll
Speaker 1: take more risks. Even then but I want at least
Speaker 1: the first like three nights unfed up. I want those first,
Speaker 1: like three really good nights before I mess it up again.
Speaker 1: Like another tricky thing about this property is this very
Speaker 1: high deer density, like really high deer density. So getting
Speaker 1: in and out unscathed and having a hunt whether you
Speaker 1: don't booker things up is you know, more the exception
Speaker 1: than the rule. So you just have to Like, I know,
Speaker 1: you guys like to give me a hard time about
Speaker 1: being conservative on this one, but uh but if you're not,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna mess it up. And I found that,
Speaker 1: you know, if I found the good balancing act. I
Speaker 1: think between aggressive and the right kind of ways at
Speaker 1: the right times, but not so much that the fifty
Speaker 1: deer that I run around know what's going on right away.
Speaker 4: Dan, there you go, I mean, and answer my question.
Speaker 4: I got what I wanted out of him.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 4: I got to answer that I wanted out of my question. No, No,
Speaker 4: out of the where all this came from? Right, Like, No,
Speaker 4: I know he he's obviously approaching it, and I can understand.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the limited access alone on that piece, right,
Speaker 4: it's only from one direction, right, you can only access
Speaker 4: that farm and uh, correct me if I'm wrong, you
Speaker 4: have to go through a majority of egg or flat
Speaker 4: ground with no cover even to just get into it.
Speaker 3: Right, So the morning hunts would.
Speaker 4: Would potentially be difficult to go into knowing that deer
Speaker 4: are edge creatures and they're probably out in those fields
Speaker 4: and food plots before the uh you know, in the dark,
Speaker 4: So it would be it would be tough.
Speaker 3: So but let me ask you this though, Mark, because
Speaker 3: you said it was corn this year, doesn't that change
Speaker 3: your access options in the morning or not? Good question, Tony,
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy.
Speaker 1: If the corn is standing, it does make access, you know,
Speaker 1: easier in that there's not big, wide open fields, but
Speaker 1: there's still going to be a pile of deer out
Speaker 1: on the edges of the fields and feeding all around.
Speaker 1: Like even on what years in this excuse and state corn,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be deer blowing without a doubt if I
Speaker 1: were going in there for a morning hunt, and I know,
Speaker 1: like in November, with a standing corn, even whether I
Speaker 1: walk through the middle of the field or if I
Speaker 1: follow the fence row, you just can't get through this
Speaker 1: area without deer knowing what's up. So I'm just careful
Speaker 1: about when I do that, and the risk or the
Speaker 1: reward has to outweigh the risk for me to do that.
Speaker 1: Knowing that every one of those is like a high
Speaker 1: impact situation, I have the I have a What I
Speaker 1: uniquely have is because this area is close enough to
Speaker 1: where I live that I can get a friend or
Speaker 1: family member to help me on the evenings. I get
Speaker 1: I get out of jail free card for the evening
Speaker 1: hunts because as often as possible, I'll have someone drive
Speaker 1: out with the ATV or the truck or something and
Speaker 1: pick me up for those evening hunts on this property.
Speaker 1: And so I can get away with a lot more
Speaker 1: because my evening access, despite that tough situation we just
Speaker 1: talked about, my evening exit is much slower impact. So
Speaker 1: knowing that I lean that direction.
Speaker 3: All right, buddy, Dan Tony, I think it's your turn
Speaker 3: to ask a question. Oh you do all right? I
Speaker 3: think I got a good one here for you. Mark. So, Mark,
Speaker 3: you're hunting Ohio on Halloween. It is it's go time, right,
Speaker 3: Weather's perfect sign everywhere, and you're set up in just
Speaker 3: a banging spot and you hear a grunt close by
Speaker 3: and You're like, oh, this is gonna be good, big
Speaker 3: deep grunt, and soon one hundred and eighty inch non
Speaker 3: typical chases a dobe beneath your stand, right, I mean mega, giant, right, mega?
Speaker 3: He stops at twenty yards. He stops at twenty yards.
Speaker 3: You totally whiff right over his back. But he doesn't
Speaker 3: know what's going on. He's all keyed up, right, So
Speaker 3: you get another arrow knocked up with again. This happens
Speaker 3: until you're a quivering mess, you're ont arrows, and he
Speaker 3: trots away unscathed. Do you tell anyone? Or do you
Speaker 3: take that to your grave?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great scenario here to plant into my mind
Speaker 1: heading to the season. Oh, I sure as hell hope
Speaker 1: that never happens. I have never let me think this through.
Speaker 1: I've never gotten more than one shot a deer that
Speaker 1: I've missed. I've missed deer, but I've never gotten a
Speaker 1: second shot and missed again. So knock on wood, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have this in my quiver of experiences yet,
Speaker 1: but I probably would tell. I have told about every
Speaker 1: single one of my misses except for one in the
Speaker 1: last fifteen years, So there's only one miss that I
Speaker 1: kept to myself in the last fifteen years, and I
Speaker 1: think I ended up talking about that like a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. So it's all out there, and I
Speaker 1: guess people have seen and heard about all my lumps.
Speaker 1: So to this point, if I were to miss a
Speaker 1: one eighty a bunch of times, that probably wouldn't make
Speaker 1: people feel any worse about me. They already know I'm
Speaker 1: a knucklehead and I make a lot of mistakes, So
Speaker 1: I would probably tell the story. I would just really
Speaker 1: hope I would get redemption in the in the near future.
Speaker 1: It would hurt me to tell the story, and I'd
Speaker 1: be really upset about it in the following minutes, but
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have to. You would you would put you'd
Speaker 3: come out with it, you'd you'd be honest about it,
Speaker 3: all right. I think let's let's take that scenario. Let's
Speaker 3: say you empty that quiver on that one eighty, miss
Speaker 3: him every time you climb down from your tree after
Speaker 3: he runs away, and you're picking up your arrows and
Speaker 3: a two hundred and seven inch typical runs in this
Speaker 3: This is the hottest dough in Michigan or Ohio.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's a heck of a property too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've got a handful of arrows, and you know,
Speaker 3: and that buck is just chasing that dough around you
Speaker 3: in circles. It's like a freaking cartoon out there. And
Speaker 3: and you empty that quiver again again. Yeah, okay, you
Speaker 3: miss him again with all your arrows, and on your
Speaker 3: last shot you just hail marry him, and you miss him,
Speaker 3: but you hit a little tiny spike in the antlers
Speaker 3: behind him. Everybody runs off and you've you've peed yourself
Speaker 3: a little bit. The whole thing is is real rough.
Speaker 3: Now do you tell this story? Do you not your grave?
Speaker 1: I think I quit deer hunting, and it's it's suicide
Speaker 1: watch for a few weeks after that point. All right,
Speaker 1: all right that would be the end. Wow, I love it. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't like the negativity here, but.
Speaker 4: Well, hey, I tell you what, Mark, if you liked
Speaker 4: that question, you're gonna love this one. You spent and
Speaker 4: right you get a call from Steve Ranella. Steve Vanella
Speaker 4: says Mark, once in a lifetime Alaska hunting opportunity with
Speaker 4: your bow. We're gonna go do it, and we're going
Speaker 4: to go do it big. But you got to be
Speaker 4: gone for potentially two to three weeks. All right, that's
Speaker 4: a long time being away from the family. All right,
Speaker 4: So you get back, let's say right around the twentieth
Speaker 4: of September, you go back to you know, Dad, You
Speaker 4: go back to hunting Michigan. You know, the opener comes.
Speaker 4: You start hunting Michigan, maybe some other places. And it's
Speaker 4: mid October, maybe a little later in October, and you're
Speaker 4: in good news. Your wife tells you that you're expecting
Speaker 4: a third child. So and so, oh man, everything's everything's
Speaker 4: going great, everything's going great. You're excited. So one night
Speaker 4: you're out with your boy, your wife's in the house,
Speaker 4: you're out with your voice, and you're shooting in the backyard,
Speaker 4: getting your reps in for this season, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden it pops into your head. Man, the dates
Speaker 4: just don't add up.
Speaker 1: I was in.
Speaker 3: I was in Alaska. Okay, wait up.
Speaker 4: And so so, all of a sudden, all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: in your brain, you're thinking about this, and you acquire
Speaker 4: target panic in the middle of the season. And that's
Speaker 4: the question if you if you were to acquire target
Speaker 4: panic in the middle of the season, what steps are
Speaker 4: you taking to get.
Speaker 1: Out of that.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, never mind that your wife's carrying somebody else's baby.
Speaker 3: How do you deal with the target panic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a lot of things to address.
Speaker 3: Here, but let's get the important stuff talked about.
Speaker 1: Gotta get that target bucks though, So in this scenario,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing I would do if I
Speaker 1: pick up a bad case of target panic in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season, would you know a number one
Speaker 1: get back to the basics. So like just get back
Speaker 1: to like probably doing like blind bail type shooting, just
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable getting a surprise release. Again, I've had some
Speaker 1: times where I'll realize, like I'm holding my release wrong,
Speaker 1: or you know, with an index finger release, you know
Speaker 1: where you grip onto the trigger, if it's tighter or looser,
Speaker 1: you can kind of loosen that up. And they'll be
Speaker 1: different things like little weird form things and stuff that
Speaker 1: can throw off your form and your surprise release. So
Speaker 1: I just make sure, like make sure there's nothing like
Speaker 1: that that has somehow slipped into my process that's triggered
Speaker 1: my issue. But as soon as like I've got that
Speaker 1: figured out, and I maybe would have a friend come
Speaker 1: over just someone like watch me. Just make sure that
Speaker 1: not some weird subconscious thing that's going on that I'm
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm so stressed. I'm so focused on
Speaker 1: these outside things that I'm just like, you know, not
Speaker 1: paying attention to. As long as that's checked out and
Speaker 1: not happening, would go back to just like getting a
Speaker 1: bunch of reps in at close range and just feel
Speaker 1: really comfortable at shooting, and then I would just try
Speaker 1: to get a kill or two under my belt. I
Speaker 1: would go to dough hunting. I would start doll hunting,
Speaker 1: and I'd have a very low maximum range. I would
Speaker 1: tell myself, all right, man, twenty yards and in and
Speaker 1: I'd go somewhere where there's a lot of dos, a
Speaker 1: high target opportunity, and just try to kill some doughs
Speaker 1: and get that kind of out of the way, like
Speaker 1: just get the monkey off my back again in a
Speaker 1: situation that's like really hard not to mess up, hopefully,
Speaker 1: and that would be that'd be step. I think that'd
Speaker 1: be the first thing I do. So I would go back,
Speaker 1: just make sure that my form and like everything's okay.
Speaker 1: I'd shoot a ton at close range and just try
Speaker 1: to rebuild confidence, and then I would really get the
Speaker 1: confidence again by getting in there in the field and
Speaker 1: killing some does. And I think every time you do
Speaker 1: that that takes, you know, several layers of whatever that
Speaker 1: target panic issue could be off the table and then
Speaker 1: we would have some serious talks my wife and I.
Speaker 3: Good answer after the season.
Speaker 1: After the shooting, after the shooting, yep.
Speaker 4: Feel good about that, Dan, that's I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean I think that acquiring target panic in the middle
Speaker 4: of the season would absolutely suck.
Speaker 1: The would Yeah, and the other thing too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of them? Yeah, pretty rough? Yeah? Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like going, So this is basically like a This
Speaker 1: is basically a series of worst case scenarios. Usually I
Speaker 1: give my guests like challenging. You guys are giving worst
Speaker 1: case scenarios, which is great. I'm up for the challenge.
Speaker 4: You have to be able to overcome, right, Yes, got
Speaker 4: to be able to overcome man.
Speaker 3: But on the on a serious note, have you had
Speaker 3: a vasectomy yet? Mark?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, I did.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: We don't have to worry about like pregnancy scares.
Speaker 1: Right, hopefully I hear they go bad though, like you
Speaker 1: can have a mishap still, So fingers crossed.
Speaker 3: Not only that, but also his wife's pregnant, so it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter anyway, she got it some exactly can't. You
Speaker 3: can't get double pregnant, so I mean, it depends how
Speaker 3: you look at it, because my wife got double pregnant once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. You're still dealing with the
Speaker 1: after effects now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't abandon my family. I guess still raising
Speaker 3: my kids. Mark.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm glad for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, what's next? All right, Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: skip a couple because I have one that sort of
Speaker 3: plays off of what Dan just asks you. Oh jeez,
Speaker 3: all right, well you know marital issues. Oh all right, Marcus,
Speaker 3: It's November fifth, and you've been getting after it all season.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've been pushing it right to the edge
Speaker 3: with the whole family thing, and you know, after you
Speaker 3: trout fished all summer long and ignored your family and everything,
Speaker 3: like it's really it's really adding up at home. So
Speaker 3: you come home one day November fifth, and missus Kenyon
Speaker 3: it's obviously pretty pissed at you, and she says things
Speaker 3: like you're an absentee father who only cares about deer.
Speaker 3: I never really loved you, like, you know, pretty harsh stuff, right,
Speaker 3: So you decide all right, half a week, I have
Speaker 3: a rut cation, but I probably shouldn't do all days
Speaker 3: sits because she's kind of ticked at you. You can
Speaker 3: either only hunt mornings or evenings. What are you choosing why?
Speaker 3: Great question?
Speaker 1: Great question. Yeah, I'm going with mornings for that time period,
Speaker 1: and hopefully I can push it into the middle of
Speaker 1: the day a little bit. Give me that you know,
Speaker 1: first six hours of the day or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things going for you.
Speaker 1: I do think just during the rut time period, you
Speaker 1: have a longer duration of deer being on their feet.
Speaker 1: Now that's not always the case, like sometimes the deer
Speaker 1: on their feet early in the afternoon. But I would
Speaker 1: just say, if I had to average, go pick the
Speaker 1: average time period, I'd say, like, maybe you've got even
Speaker 1: on a good weather day, you know, there might be
Speaker 1: bucks moving all morning into the middle of the day,
Speaker 1: but then almost always there's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: lull in that, like I don't know, you know, two
Speaker 1: o'clock to four o'clock or somewhere in that ballpark. So
Speaker 1: if you did just the evening hunts, all you have
Speaker 1: is that, you know, two to five thirty or two
Speaker 1: to six or three to six or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And then if you throw in warm weather, then it's
Speaker 1: even worse. So if you've got a warm weather stretch
Speaker 1: during November, your mornings are likely still cool, so that's
Speaker 1: always gonna be the coolest part of the day. I
Speaker 1: think you've got those bucks on their feet more. They're
Speaker 1: checking all those betting areas, they're doing their cruising thing.
Speaker 1: I just think those mornings are dynamite. And then add
Speaker 1: on top of that the likely like you can't go
Speaker 1: wrong with the weather in the mornings at least during
Speaker 1: that time period. Almost that would without a doubt be
Speaker 1: the decision I'd make for sure.
Speaker 3: Huh yep, Yeah, I think you know. I was thinking
Speaker 3: about this when I wrote it, because I I would
Speaker 3: you know, probably five years ago I would have one
Speaker 3: said mornings without question. And I think about it a
Speaker 3: little more because I have some pretty good rut hunts
Speaker 3: in the afternoon in the evening. But I still think
Speaker 3: I lean toward your answer, like I think that you
Speaker 3: just got to take that sunrise to noon shift if
Speaker 3: you get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I mean evenings could be great too.
Speaker 1: I'd like to both.
Speaker 3: But uh, you screw that up. Yeah, that's why she's
Speaker 3: pregnant with another man's baby.
Speaker 4: Fat fact. Yeah, yeah, dude, that that question is a
Speaker 4: no brainer for me. Like I don't even need to
Speaker 4: think about it.
Speaker 1: It's mornings, yeah, can't be all right?
Speaker 3: Let me ask both of you guys then, would would
Speaker 3: your answer change at all if you couldn't hunt private
Speaker 3: land and you had to hunt public no, knowing that
Speaker 3: everybody's going to be thinking the same way as you,
Speaker 3: like I gotta get out there in the mornings, does
Speaker 3: it change at all? No?
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, because I think like, yeah, everyone's everyone knows
Speaker 1: they want to go out in the mornings, But I
Speaker 1: think that doesn't mean they're not going to hunt the
Speaker 1: evenings too, Like everyone's gonna want to hunt the evenings
Speaker 1: as well. And it might you might say that there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more pressure in the evenings on public
Speaker 1: land even at that time period, I think, because there'll
Speaker 1: be a few people that maybe can't I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but there's some folks that can get out
Speaker 1: for an evening hunt, you know, after work, that can't
Speaker 1: hunt that morning stretch because they have to go to work.
Speaker 1: So during that weekday period, you might have actually a
Speaker 1: little bit less in the morning, despite the fact conditions
Speaker 1: are better. I just think, you know, the only thing
Speaker 1: that you'd have going for you with the evening hunt
Speaker 1: is you could like scout your way in, you know,
Speaker 1: to hunt places in the middle of the day, and
Speaker 1: then you just have to do that in the post
Speaker 1: hunt situation. Now, in this situation, so I can hunt
Speaker 1: the mornings and then if I need to relocate, if
Speaker 1: I need to do something new, that's gonna happen after
Speaker 1: the hunt, and I'll set up for the next morning.
Speaker 3: Can I'm gonna piggyback off of that for a second?
Speaker 3: One consideration I would have. This is totally situational, totally anecdotal,
Speaker 3: but I feel like people are way more likely to
Speaker 3: walk in on you in the morning than in the evening,
Speaker 3: So I always look at it and listen. I'll hunt
Speaker 3: the mornings every time too. But on public land it
Speaker 3: feels like if people show up in the dark, they're
Speaker 3: just going in. But you know, if you show up
Speaker 3: at like two o'clock in the afternoon or whatever, there's
Speaker 3: a guy parked at this trailhead or this spot, you
Speaker 3: might go on to the next spot. So I think
Speaker 3: there's a little advantage there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting point. I mean I could see that.
Speaker 3: I got Dan. All right, next question mark Kenyon.
Speaker 4: Okay, rut vacation really, any vacation really, any time of year.
Speaker 4: You can you can throw in whatever you want here,
Speaker 4: but it's public land. It's an out of state hunt.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: You've done your your e scouting. Maybe you even went
Speaker 4: there and you found some old sign. Maybe you had
Speaker 4: the opportunity to do some boots on the ground scouting.
Speaker 4: You find the sign, maybe you have a good idea
Speaker 4: of where you're going to go. You get there and
Speaker 4: you start to hunt, and you're not seeing the movement
Speaker 4: that you want. You're not seeing the quality of deer
Speaker 4: that you want, so forth and so on. When do
Speaker 4: you abandon Plan A and go.
Speaker 3: To Plan B.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so relatively quickly, definitely after day two. You know,
Speaker 1: I think day one, i'd, you know, go into somewhere
Speaker 1: where I've have some intel on, whether it be through
Speaker 1: scouting or whatever. I'm going into a spot for a
Speaker 1: reason day one. If I see like nothing that first day,
Speaker 1: I'll push in further on day two, get more aggressive
Speaker 1: with wherever whatever the feature is that I'm hunting or
Speaker 1: the betting area or the foods or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I'll push in more on day two. If I still
Speaker 1: by day two, you know, if coming up blank, if
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to get even more, I'll just basically
Speaker 1: get more and more and more aggressive through day one
Speaker 1: through three, let's say. And if still at that point,
Speaker 1: like I'm not seeing any strong options, like there's no
Speaker 1: way to push in further, there's no other back door
Speaker 1: to check, then yeah. I mean, if it's a week
Speaker 1: long trip, you know, by day three and a half
Speaker 1: or something, I'm probably really seriously considering, you know, is
Speaker 1: there a brand new place I need to be checking out,
Speaker 1: like what's going on here that I don't know about?
Speaker 1: And or do I just need to very quickly start
Speaker 1: checking off other options. So even by you know, let's
Speaker 1: say I hunt those first two days, you know that
Speaker 1: third day I might go and drive around morning number
Speaker 1: three and go scout from the road a couple of spots,
Speaker 1: or if not that, then definitely middle of the day
Speaker 1: I'm out walking other places and figuring out what other
Speaker 1: options do I have. I had this exact scenario last
Speaker 1: year in Idaho, and you know, I thought going into it.
Speaker 1: We had a great game plan, and you know, Day
Speaker 1: one went to one of those spots that I thought
Speaker 1: should be a kill spot and there was crickets. And
Speaker 1: then so day two I pushed in further crickets. I
Speaker 1: think day three I made one really like hard, hard pushing,
Speaker 1: and when that didn't come up, then I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: now you know I went through Plan A. My Plan
Speaker 1: B was to push further push through that plan. See
Speaker 1: it was even deeper now, like I've seen everything this
Speaker 1: thing has got to offer, and it's not offering anything
Speaker 1: right now because if it seemed to be hunting pressure
Speaker 1: that was there before me. So yeah, then we just
Speaker 1: started scouting brand new places and just doing a shotgun
Speaker 1: approach and trying to figure out, like where is there
Speaker 1: a concentration of deer that have not been pressured? And
Speaker 1: so I walked a ton of properties we observed scouted
Speaker 1: into hunting locations, and it was just about trying to
Speaker 1: figure anything out. I don't want to waste time in
Speaker 1: a no man's land. So I've gotten to the point
Speaker 1: where I will very quickly burn through things if there's
Speaker 1: not anything that's giving me the warm fuzzies.
Speaker 4: Okay, now, Dan, Yeah, I like it, But I have
Speaker 4: a kind of a side question that goes along with it.
Speaker 3: Just popped into my head.
Speaker 4: You are you've you've invested a lot of time into
Speaker 4: this public peace. All right, We're coming up on the
Speaker 4: end of your vacation. You saw a buck, right and
Speaker 4: we have a scenario now where it's a shooter, it's
Speaker 4: a target animal. You've made an adjustment. Maybe you took
Speaker 4: your mobile setup in the dark, you moved it to
Speaker 4: where you saw this deer, and and it's all prepped
Speaker 4: ready to go, high confidence level for the morning. You
Speaker 4: get to the parking area, you start to walk and
Speaker 4: there is another hunter between where you are and where
Speaker 4: you need to go. Are you walking through their setup
Speaker 4: to get to your setup?
Speaker 1: I would think about the impact of that person on
Speaker 1: the deer I'm trying to kill. So if I think
Speaker 1: that that buck will not do the thing I wanted
Speaker 1: him to do because of where this hunter is, that
Speaker 1: might cause me to go on a different location. Like
Speaker 1: if it's if there's one way he could get into
Speaker 1: his bedroom, and now this hunter is right there and
Speaker 1: his wind's going to blow to that deer. I just
Speaker 1: don't see any way this could work out, then I
Speaker 1: will probably just turn around and go somewhere else entirely
Speaker 1: if I don't think that this hunter will mess it up,
Speaker 1: If I think this buck is going to approach from
Speaker 1: some different direction and the wind won't be blown there,
Speaker 1: or if if I'm deep enough in there that it
Speaker 1: won't be impacting it, no matter what, I would continue
Speaker 1: on to where I'm going to hunt. I would try
Speaker 1: to skirt him, like, I would give him as much
Speaker 1: courtesy space as I possibly could so he doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like I'm walking, you know, right through his stuff and
Speaker 1: messing up his hunt. So I'd probably back out a
Speaker 1: little bit so I'm out of site or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then make an end around to get to where I
Speaker 1: want to hunt and hopefully, you know, preserve his mourning,
Speaker 1: but still put myself in a position I don't think
Speaker 1: that having someone there likely would mess up the entire thing.
Speaker 1: And if I feel super confident, it's my last day
Speaker 1: and this is really all I have to work with,
Speaker 1: and it's basically like take a flyer with zero intel,
Speaker 1: or hunt the place I'm really confident in and hope
Speaker 1: that the buck just doesn't come through that fifteen degree window.
Speaker 1: That this other hunter is impacting. I would do that,
Speaker 1: I think, unless like I just know, like, man, he
Speaker 1: absolutely bugger this whole thing up, because like he's sitting
Speaker 1: over the only creek crossing where that buck was likely
Speaker 1: to come through, and his wind's blown right back to
Speaker 1: where I was sitting, where the blind would be, and
Speaker 1: or where the betting area would be, and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, that's a good answer. All right, buddy, thanks,
Speaker 3: I have one more serious one for you, Mark, so
Speaker 3: I need you to breakle up here, all right. I actually,
Speaker 3: technically I have three more serious ones. You're on stand
Speaker 3: October twenty fifth, Big buck state, Illinois, Iowa, somewhere it's
Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those states, Kansas, and you
Speaker 3: see a stud one hundred and sixty inches just awesome deer.
Speaker 3: He's kind of cruising through, checking stuff, making scrapes whatever.
Speaker 3: But he's You're, like his trajectory, he's not coming in,
Speaker 3: so you got to do something about it. So you
Speaker 3: grun at him, no response, barely picks his head up.
Speaker 3: Then you're like, I gotta I gotta ramp this up.
Speaker 3: Snort wheeze at him, and he stops, looks around doesn't
Speaker 3: look at you, but looks around, and then he turns
Speaker 3: around and sort of does that trot walk away where
Speaker 3: it's kind of I'm spooked, but I'm not, you know,
Speaker 3: full on spook, like you know, halfway he's getting out
Speaker 3: of there. But it's like, all right, what's going on here?
Speaker 3: You're not sure what happened the snortweeze, did it whatever?
Speaker 3: Do you keep hunting that deer in the next couple
Speaker 3: of days, or do you go, you know what, he
Speaker 3: spooked just enough where I'm gonna give that area a
Speaker 3: little rest and go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Interesting scenario. I would still hunt him. I think that
Speaker 1: in a especially like I'm hunting out of state. This
Speaker 1: isn't like my local turf that I know super well.
Speaker 1: I'm likely on a shorter time period. Man. Getting eyes
Speaker 1: on a buck of that, you know, getting eyes on
Speaker 1: a target buck is such a huge piece of data,
Speaker 1: like you can't afford not to take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: So I would definitely still hunt that buck. I would
Speaker 1: not likely hunting from the same tree. I would probably
Speaker 1: make an adjustment based on what I saw, so hopefully
Speaker 1: I learned something about where he's coming from, about where
Speaker 1: he's going. Hopefully I can make some assumptions about what
Speaker 1: he's doing. So hopefully I learned, like, Okay, I bet
Speaker 1: you he's coming from this betting area, and I bet
Speaker 1: you he's going to that food source. And so if
Speaker 1: I was trying to call to him, he must have
Speaker 1: been out of range. Right, So now I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm just gonna move into range of
Speaker 1: where his path of travel what I think it is,
Speaker 1: and if it's you know, October twenty fifth, he's still
Speaker 1: on his you know, core kind of bed to feed
Speaker 1: tight pattern, but he's now probably just wanting to check
Speaker 1: out some does a little bit more. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get right up in there, probably a little bit closer
Speaker 1: to where I think he was betted, and hope to
Speaker 1: intercept him coming out of that betting area. And just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to be far enough away from
Speaker 1: where I was hunting the previous day that I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be worried about him, you know, skirting that
Speaker 1: because if he skirts that area, he will likely stay
Speaker 1: closer to where I am now. And that's that's what
Speaker 1: I would do, right on, all.
Speaker 4: Right, So I have two more questions, all right. One
Speaker 4: of them is a curveball question. But and it it
Speaker 4: kind of play well, they kind of play into each other,
Speaker 4: but they kind of don't as well. So I'll give
Speaker 4: you the serious one.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 4: You decide to go on an out of state hunt,
Speaker 4: let's say out west, and we're talking in the car,
Speaker 4: nineteen hours whatever. We're hunting elk, mule deer, some different species.
Speaker 4: A lot of time and travel invested into this hunt,
Speaker 4: and dollars, okay, and so. But you're going out there
Speaker 4: with a partner. Your partner is a weak link, all right.
Speaker 4: He's slow, he's fat, he's preventing you from getting to
Speaker 4: where you need to go. He's unenthusiastic if he doesn't
Speaker 4: take scent seriously, like he's just he's ruining this experience
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 1: Is this you?
Speaker 3: It could have been? It could be could be.
Speaker 1: How long to do the question?
Speaker 4: How long until you leave his ass at the truck
Speaker 4: and you go make moves on your own.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave him at the truck, but uh,
Speaker 1: but I will, you know, if ever he's like, I
Speaker 1: certainly will not stop for him. So I've had situations
Speaker 1: where I've been on Western hunts with buddies and they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's raining or snowy, or you know,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be very good. I'm just gonna stay
Speaker 1: back at camp. That's like I'm leaving him in camp
Speaker 1: for surely, I'm not gonna let him pull me down
Speaker 1: with him. And then if I'm out like hiking around
Speaker 1: the mountains chasing elk or deer, whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: if there's a situation like you gotta get you gotta
Speaker 1: get up the mountain to get ahead of the elk
Speaker 1: or something, and if the buddy just can't keep up
Speaker 1: and it's day four or five or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: at some point, I'll probably be like, hey, man, do
Speaker 1: you mind if I just take a swing at this
Speaker 1: guy and I'll meet you back here, you know, in
Speaker 1: a couple hours, and and hopefully that'd be you know,
Speaker 1: the situation. If the guy's like at risk of dying
Speaker 1: or something and like he's like struggling that kind of way,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave someone who I don't think can survive.
Speaker 1: But assuming it's just like good but assuming, but assuming
Speaker 1: like he can handle his own for a little bit,
Speaker 1: I'll just be like, hey, I think it just makes
Speaker 1: more sense was to split up. I'll hunt high, you
Speaker 1: can hunt low, and uh, you know, will make it work.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ruin a friendship over it, but
Speaker 1: I think you can navigate that situation with tact and
Speaker 1: uh and still be able to hunt hard without you know,
Speaker 1: messing up the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Good. I really really like how you had to explain
Speaker 3: that would be the dying friend to maybe a company
Speaker 3: him with you.
Speaker 1: I got to make sure him very clear with you too.
Speaker 3: You're a man of character, Kenyon.
Speaker 1: I like to set a very low bar for myself,
Speaker 1: but then really lead into it.
Speaker 3: There you go. Listen, if he's circling the drain, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stick around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can saint me.
Speaker 4: Now, all right, but I'm but I'm sure as ship
Speaker 4: not gonna call a helicopter evac because it will ruin
Speaker 4: the hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: He's still breathing.
Speaker 1: But but but what I hike with him back to
Speaker 1: the truck and go to town to pick up a
Speaker 1: new tent so he can stay dry. Yes, I would
Speaker 1: do that for.
Speaker 4: Him, yep, and waste the whole afternoon hunt with closing
Speaker 4: the dryer, putting closing the.
Speaker 1: Dryer made for one of the best stories ever.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I love it. I'll never forget it me neither.
Speaker 3: All Right, Dan, you feel good about that? I felt.
Speaker 3: I feel real good about it. All right, Well, I
Speaker 3: kind of. I kind of have a somewhat of a
Speaker 3: parallel scenario for you there, all right, Kenya. So Mark
Speaker 3: Zuckerberg oh wakes up one day and he's pissed for
Speaker 3: some reason. Maybe it's because of the haircut, maybe it's because
Speaker 3: he's a little too reptilian. Anyway, grumpy Zuck decides he's
Speaker 3: sick of people. He's sick of people posting pictures of
Speaker 3: themselves with fish, and he decides to implement a rule
Speaker 3: for Instagram and Facebook where all users only get one
Speaker 3: fish pick per year. How big of a trout does
Speaker 3: it have to be before you burn up your one chance?
Speaker 1: Great, great question. I'm gonna save it for a twenty
Speaker 1: inch plus cutthroat trout.
Speaker 3: Twenty Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want a big, pretty cutthroat with a gold and
Speaker 1: pink sides. And uh, that's that's a fish worth showing off.
Speaker 1: Only caught three of those in my life.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I was gonna ask. What I've never
Speaker 3: I'm not real familiar with cuddies, so a twenty is
Speaker 3: like a real hard to attain length.
Speaker 1: Yep, twenty would be like the equivalent of at least
Speaker 1: a boon and crocket, like a boon and crocket, like
Speaker 1: a net booner. I would say, would be a twenty
Speaker 1: inch cutthroat, and I would call it a twenty inch
Speaker 1: cutthroat would be the equivalent to like a two foot
Speaker 1: brown trout something like that. So I'd never caught one
Speaker 1: in all my years fishing out west until last year.
Speaker 1: And last year I kind of went to a shangra
Speaker 1: last spot and caught two, but prior to that, never
Speaker 1: even saw one that big. So that'd be a special one.
Speaker 3: So you wouldn't use that fish picture like if your
Speaker 3: kid's caught a cool one, you'd be like, no, this
Speaker 3: is for me.
Speaker 4: Hell Now, I was just gonna ask that same question.
Speaker 4: You a bitch, Mark, You don't even love your kids?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: The kids, Dan, This is a guy who left his
Speaker 3: buddy to die exactly. So yeah, the real Mark Kenyon exposed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having a tough time that my wife's pregnant
Speaker 1: with someone else's child. I have target panic. This has
Speaker 1: been a very bad year.
Speaker 3: Hey, Dan, does your wife watch those murder mysteries? Because
Speaker 3: I feel like clips of this are going to end
Speaker 3: up on a dateline at some point exactly exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's that?
Speaker 4: What's that guy's name? Who does the creepy voice? Where
Speaker 4: is like Psyche gets excited about in Spencer Newhart?
Speaker 1: That would work?
Speaker 3: Is a Spence?
Speaker 1: It could be he'd be perfect.
Speaker 4: Small town Michigan. Anyway, Uh, Mark, are you ready for
Speaker 4: a curve ball question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, it's about late season hunting, all right. So it's
Speaker 4: been a long season. You've been doing a lot of
Speaker 4: filming with a brand new camera guy who's really ambitious.
Speaker 4: He's really he really wants to make a mark so
Speaker 4: he can work for me, eatther Man. He found his
Speaker 4: dream job and he wants to be very successful at it.
Speaker 4: You get back from several weeks of hunting and your
Speaker 4: wife is moving some of your stuff around and she
Speaker 4: finds a small packet of meth amphetamines.
Speaker 3: And she then she says yeah, she says, hey, I.
Speaker 4: Can't trust you anymore, and she decides to leave you
Speaker 4: and take the children. Well throughout the rest of the season.
Speaker 4: You go through you go through a divorce, okay, and
Speaker 4: you lose you You only get your children like every
Speaker 4: other week, right, So it's every other week they come
Speaker 4: to you, they go to your wife, and so it
Speaker 4: just so happens that they go to your wife on
Speaker 4: a huge cold front coming through Michigan and you have
Speaker 4: a standing bean plot or corn plot and the deer
Speaker 4: are hammering it. How do you approach that scenario while
Speaker 4: your kids are with your wife?
Speaker 3: That's what.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, it's a lot to process. This would be
Speaker 1: the worst year ever for sure. So I'm sure I'm
Speaker 1: in a very very bad place mentally. But I would
Speaker 1: look at this moment where the kids are away as
Speaker 1: a little bit of an opportunity to get some mental
Speaker 1: R and R I suppose. So, yeah, big cold front
Speaker 1: coming through, and I, you know, don't have the kids.
Speaker 1: I'm hunting. If I did have the kids, If I
Speaker 1: did have the kids and the cold front was coming,
Speaker 1: I'd still be hunting. Not just kidding.
Speaker 3: You boys.
Speaker 1: Wait in the truck. I'll be back in a couple hours.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: So okay, So in a situation a big coal front
Speaker 1: coming in, I mean I think what I'd be doing
Speaker 1: is hopefully leading into that front. I would like to
Speaker 1: have some information about what they're doing on that standing
Speaker 1: bean plot, so I would be if I could watch
Speaker 1: it from afar, I would definitely be doing that as
Speaker 1: many nights as I could leading into that front. So
Speaker 1: late season, I'm just even more picky, like we talked about,
Speaker 1: So I'm probably hunting the evenings and I want to
Speaker 1: hunt them, you know, with like a very targeted assassin
Speaker 1: like approach. So I want to see what these deer
Speaker 1: are doing. I want to see where the bucks are
Speaker 1: coming into the field, even if it's just younger bucks.
Speaker 1: I want to know where that's happening. Hopefully some camera
Speaker 1: and tell tells me like, Okay, yeah, this bedding area
Speaker 1: or whatever is where the buck you're after is, or
Speaker 1: some bucks that you might be interested in shooting are at.
Speaker 1: And then I'm waiting for that front to hit. I'll
Speaker 1: hunt that evening before the front. Let's say this is
Speaker 1: late December. I'll be hunting hopefully the evening before and
Speaker 1: then the couple evenings afterwards, and hopefully I don't need
Speaker 1: to do a whole bunch of hunts because you know,
Speaker 1: it's a kind of situation where you've got a hunt
Speaker 1: or two before they might catch on to you hunting
Speaker 1: that kind of situation, and I would be hunting in
Speaker 1: between that bedding area heading to that beanfield. You know,
Speaker 1: hopefully from what I saw, I've got a good idea
Speaker 1: of where I need to start and hunt, you know,
Speaker 1: a well planned hanging hunt set. And if I don't
Speaker 1: have my location right that first night, I'll you know,
Speaker 1: make an adjustment for the second night. Hopefully I've got
Speaker 1: a situation. I don't know what property this is, but
Speaker 1: you have to have some kind of good exit plan
Speaker 1: with that kind of situation. You know, beanfield in December,
Speaker 1: there's going to be a bunch of deer on there
Speaker 1: with a cold front. So if I have to walk
Speaker 1: out through that beanfield, well then you know it's game
Speaker 1: over probably if you're trying to kill an older deer.
Speaker 1: So I would either you know, hopefully have a buddy
Speaker 1: or somebody who would come drive out there, or maybe
Speaker 1: there's like a ditch or a creek or something that
Speaker 1: I can sneak away out the backside to and use
Speaker 1: that to exit. If there's nothing like that, I'll just
Speaker 1: hunt further and further away from the food and try
Speaker 1: to make sure that I'll give myself an opportunity to hunt,
Speaker 1: you know, more than just one night without the whole
Speaker 1: thing blown up in my face. You know, that would
Speaker 1: be of course, wind direction is going to dictate where
Speaker 1: I would hunt, but let's hope that this sets up
Speaker 1: well for a north or northwest wind, which will probably
Speaker 1: come with that cold front. And yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: first really cold, wicked day will be you know, a
Speaker 1: great chance for that whatever bucks in the area to
Speaker 1: come out hit the food, and I just need to
Speaker 1: be set up in the right place to get a shot.
Speaker 1: Would not push super close to the betting area in
Speaker 1: that situation, so hopefully I can hunt low impact for
Speaker 1: that evening set up. Those late season hunts are really
Speaker 1: hard to move around quietly to not be seen without
Speaker 1: spooking deer, and if you spook a couple dos, you know,
Speaker 1: there's oftentimes that ripple effect where they'll spook back and
Speaker 1: then that'll you know, make everything come out later in
Speaker 1: the evening. So I would not ideally like to have
Speaker 1: to push really deep in there. I would hope for
Speaker 1: good access or a friend to help me out so
Speaker 1: I could hunt pretty close to the food and not
Speaker 1: need to risk spooking things as I go into set up.
Speaker 1: So perfect situation would be like maybe there's a little
Speaker 1: creek or something that runs along the north edge of
Speaker 1: this beanfield, let's say, and they're betting north of that,
Speaker 1: I would hopefully have watched a couple times from afar
Speaker 1: or I know the area, or pictures or something has
Speaker 1: told me, you know, they come through this corner or whatever.
Speaker 1: But maybe there's also like a creek cross in, like
Speaker 1: a favorite creek crossing something like that that helps me
Speaker 1: narrow down where to set up along the edge of
Speaker 1: the inside of that food source, that transition area, so
Speaker 1: that I'm not just blindly picking somewhere on the field,
Speaker 1: but I'm situating myself in a place that I know
Speaker 1: there's a high chance that deer will funnel through this
Speaker 1: as they enter the food source. And ideally we'll set
Speaker 1: up with that wind. Let's say it's a northwest wind,
Speaker 1: hopefully cutting off to the side of the field, so
Speaker 1: that I can hunt these deer coming out to the
Speaker 1: north in the west of me while my wind, my
Speaker 1: wind blows to the south and the east of me.
Speaker 1: And I've got that creek crossing upwind of me, So
Speaker 1: that's going to hopefully funnel you know, concentrate a little
Speaker 1: bit more of that activity within bow range, and you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully there's a couple of trails or my observation showed
Speaker 1: me that too. So those types of things make me
Speaker 1: feel really good going into that hunt.
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to ask a spinoff question of that,
Speaker 4: and that is throughout the course of a year, early season,
Speaker 4: mid season, you can you can break it really down
Speaker 4: however you want. October, November, December, pre pre rep post
Speaker 4: rut however you know, however you want to do it.
Speaker 4: What is your definition of a cold front and how
Speaker 4: much or how big of a cold front does it
Speaker 4: need to be for you to get excited enough to hunt.
Speaker 1: So usually ten degrees or more is like that threshold
Speaker 1: that I look at as something I'm like particularly excited about.
Speaker 1: If there's a front that comes through with precipitation and
Speaker 1: a bear metric pressure change but not a huge temperature,
Speaker 1: let's say like eight degrees or seven degrees, but a
Speaker 1: rainstorm came through. Now it's seven degrees cooler, and now
Speaker 1: it's high pressure on the backside. Like I would still
Speaker 1: be excited about that, even though it's less than ten,
Speaker 1: but usually that ten degrees are more from the daytime highs.
Speaker 1: Would be something that like, I'm looking for on the
Speaker 1: weather forecast and will have me interested regardless of the
Speaker 1: time of year.
Speaker 3: So, Dan, if that was a curveball, I don't even
Speaker 3: know what you call this one. Oh geez, this is
Speaker 3: this is the last one I got for you. Mark,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to get you, gotta use your imagination here,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna I'm gonna take you around a little
Speaker 3: bit and I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it home, buddy.
Speaker 3: So you ready, all right? Picture this. You're standing in
Speaker 3: a very specific spot. Shotgun in your hand. Okay, it
Speaker 3: contains just one slug. You've got one shot. Okay. You
Speaker 3: look to your left and you see your favorite little
Speaker 3: botique bookstore in Bozeman, just teeming with flat brim hipsters.
Speaker 3: You know, your people covered in them, just got a
Speaker 3: new ship into awesome books about you know, how to
Speaker 3: be a better person, some bullshit like that. Yeah, I'm okay.
Speaker 3: So so you see that and you're like, oh man,
Speaker 3: And then you look to your right and it is
Speaker 3: just this field, this beautiful field full of pollinators. I
Speaker 3: mean the density of pollinators in there. You've never seen it.
Speaker 3: You're like your wildest dreams.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 3: Then two dudes walk on the scene and they both
Speaker 3: have lit Molotov cocktails in their hands. One's gonna chuck
Speaker 3: it right through the window of that bookstore, burn the
Speaker 3: whole place down. The people are gonna live. It's gonna
Speaker 3: burn the bookstore down. The other guy's gonna chuck it
Speaker 3: right into that field and burn up all those pollinators.
Speaker 3: Who do you shoot? Who do you spare? You got
Speaker 3: one shot, buddy?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Easy decision, easy decision. I'm shooting the guys
Speaker 1: that are going to torch the bookshop because that stuff's
Speaker 1: much harder to replace. That's gonna cost a lot of money.
Speaker 1: There's life's impacted, and it's going to ruin the day
Speaker 1: for all those flat brim wearing great people. They probably
Speaker 1: like to fish too, and I don't want anything to
Speaker 1: happen to my fishing brothers and sisters on the flip side.
Speaker 3: But if you take them out, though, you have more
Speaker 3: room on the stream to yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, you said that none of them die, so they're
Speaker 1: all going to be a fishing.
Speaker 3: No matter what, they're gonna get slightly injured and miss
Speaker 3: just the best fishing part of the season.
Speaker 1: Regardless. Regardless of that, I'm gonna burn the pollinators because
Speaker 1: that'll probably end up being better for that field anyways.
Speaker 1: To give it a good burn, to reset it. It's
Speaker 1: going to add nutrients to the soil. Everything will regrow,
Speaker 1: but maybe even better for the next season. So it's
Speaker 1: a long term play, but it will preserve the integrity
Speaker 1: of our bookstore and our reading public while also putting
Speaker 1: things in a better place for the pollinators in years
Speaker 1: to come. Good enough, well done, gentlemen, you guys, any
Speaker 1: more for you? Dan?
Speaker 4: I mean I could sit here all day long and
Speaker 4: do this all right, but I feel like I want
Speaker 4: to get into the rapid.
Speaker 3: Fire questions the there you go? Where we just go?
Speaker 3: Where we go, unless unless you want me to ask more.
Speaker 3: It's up to you.
Speaker 1: No, I feel good. I mean, if you guys think
Speaker 1: I made it through the gauntlet, if you guys are
Speaker 1: satisfied with my performance here, then yes, I'm ready for
Speaker 1: the rapid fire.
Speaker 3: Got Tony, how are you guys?
Speaker 1: How are you guys handling this?
Speaker 3: I don't know know, I was just told that we
Speaker 3: were going to skip it, but uh, I was kind
Speaker 3: of hoping you just gloss right over it and we
Speaker 3: go on to something else. But we could do it.
Speaker 3: I'll take one, you take the other one. Dan, we'll
Speaker 3: go back and fill with you.
Speaker 4: Let's let's do it. Let's do it as quick as possible.
Speaker 4: I want what I'm really hoping for here. And this
Speaker 4: is kind of a note to whoever's this. I would
Speaker 4: really like us to focus on answers that might get
Speaker 4: him in trouble or be really controversial, so then they
Speaker 4: have clips to throw which would actually question like people
Speaker 4: would start to question his integrity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna go well, all.
Speaker 3: Right, well, why don't you start it off? Dan here?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I'm just going to start out easy, okay,
Speaker 4: all right, Tony?
Speaker 3: Are you ready? I am all right?
Speaker 4: Rapid fire starting now? Typical or non typical white tails?
Speaker 1: Non typical?
Speaker 3: Okay, Tony. So I have to confess I didn't come
Speaker 3: up with anything for this.
Speaker 1: Geez, Tony, what a darrel?
Speaker 3: And part of it, I'm not going to explain that anyway.
Speaker 4: Dan.
Speaker 3: You can just handle this part.
Speaker 1: Dan's the responsible one in the group.
Speaker 4: Doubt it okay. Okay, mechanicals are fixed blade all season long.
Speaker 4: You have to you can only have one mechanical or.
Speaker 1: Fixed blade mechanical okay, pre Rut or post rap pre
Speaker 1: rup pre Rut.
Speaker 4: Alaska or Montana, Alaska, Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: Uh, Lord of the Rings?
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that's that because if you said Harry Potter,
Speaker 4: I was going to just unleash on you and call
Speaker 4: you a nerd.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I watch did you see the look in
Speaker 3: his eyes?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 3: I think he wanted to answer Harry.
Speaker 4: I know he did. I think the truth out of him.
Speaker 3: H Yeah. I think I think he I think he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna play those cool because I know everybody wants
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings. But in his I think in
Speaker 3: his heart he was like Harry Potter.
Speaker 1: I I I enjoyed Harry Potter, but but no Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings, man that takes the kick.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: You've been to a lot of national park's favorite National
Speaker 4: park to go visit?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm grand tee ton all right, all right, bucket
Speaker 1: list animals that you have not already shot, give me
Speaker 1: five five uh moose yep yep. Okay uh moose, pronghorn
Speaker 1: sheep killed, big horn sheep someday, black bear, and heck,
Speaker 1: a mountain go would be awesome. I don't see it
Speaker 1: in my future, but i'd be sweet.
Speaker 3: Okay. Do you do you see a big horn seep
Speaker 3: in your future? No?
Speaker 4: Not.
Speaker 1: I don't see a big horn sheep in my future either.
Speaker 1: I think I think, yeah, I think a black bears possible,
Speaker 1: prong horns possible in a moose. You know, if if
Speaker 1: really I get lucky and my dreams come true, a
Speaker 1: moose is maybe in the in the running someday, but
Speaker 1: the other two probably not.
Speaker 4: Okay, favorite favorite favorites out of state hunt archery season?
Speaker 4: What's your favorite state to hunt.
Speaker 3: Out of state?
Speaker 1: I'll just say I like the Great Plains, any one
Speaker 1: of the Great Plains states. I really enjoyed that area.
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean from here on out it just gets
Speaker 4: real vulgar. So I didn't know, are we done with
Speaker 4: the rapid questions or do you just want me keep going?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe maybe we should be done with the rapid
Speaker 1: fire questions now?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: Oh here, one one more, one more, one more? Do
Speaker 4: you bring an extra bow on your out of state hunts?
Speaker 4: In case your regular bow gets damaged.
Speaker 1: Uh. No, I have done it a few times. A
Speaker 1: few times have done it, but usually don't.
Speaker 3: Do you Do you know why you don't? Mark?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you know why you don't?
Speaker 1: Why is that tony?
Speaker 3: Because you've never needed one yet?
Speaker 1: True?
Speaker 3: True? If you get out there and you need one.
Speaker 3: I mean part of it so, and I'm being totally
Speaker 3: honest here, or serious, part of it is you have
Speaker 3: extra everything. If you have an extra bow, you know,
Speaker 3: and if you're out spotting and stocking or something and
Speaker 3: you break like a quiver connection, you're like, oh that,
Speaker 3: you don't think that's that big of a deal, but
Speaker 3: it is. And so having a bat not only if
Speaker 3: your bow something happens, you get tossed off a horse
Speaker 3: or whatever, but you just have all those parts and
Speaker 3: everything to work with. It's it's not a bad idea.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I certainly is a good idea if
Speaker 1: you can swing it space wise. Well do I survive?
Speaker 1: Did I make it? Do we do it?
Speaker 3: I think so? I think so?
Speaker 1: Well you guys, You guys exceeded my expectations when it
Speaker 1: came to creativity and curveball. So well done, gentlemen, and
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed that, So thank you.
Speaker 3: I can't wait till next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time you're gonna be the you know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be the guest next time, and I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: at you with the same level of malice that you
Speaker 1: brought to the table here today. So I realized I
Speaker 1: was maybe not malice, but you really you really spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time imagining horrible situations for my life,
Speaker 1: and and for that I owe you.
Speaker 3: Those are just those are just called educated guesses. Mark,
Speaker 3: right right, I have a question the odds. I don't
Speaker 3: want to end quite yet.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you, out of all the guests
Speaker 4: that you've had on this show, and obviously you can't
Speaker 4: answer me or Tony as as answers, but out of
Speaker 4: out of all the guests that you've had on this show,
Speaker 4: that you who are some of the people that you
Speaker 4: respect the most?
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I think there's maybe you put him
Speaker 1: on a pedestal. Yeah, So like there's a lot that
Speaker 1: I really enjoy. They've all been great, but I guess
Speaker 1: you know one guy who I just always always enjoy
Speaker 1: talking to and is always like a standout is Mark Dury.
Speaker 1: I feel like I really appreciate his analytical approach and
Speaker 1: thought process, so like whenever we talk, we're like speaking
Speaker 1: the same language when it comes like nerding out on
Speaker 1: some of the details and stuff. So I always appreciate that,
Speaker 1: and I just think he's like one of the very
Speaker 1: very best communicators about this stuff. So even though like
Speaker 1: the way I hunt is not very much like the
Speaker 1: way he hunts, even though his situation is very different
Speaker 1: than mine and then different than a lot of ours, right,
Speaker 1: I still feel like he's always got something useful to share.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's things I've learned from him that
Speaker 1: can even be applied to public land hunts and things
Speaker 1: like that, just because he's a very good communicator and
Speaker 1: he understands deer and you just have to adjust his
Speaker 1: suggestions based on the level of pressure that your dear
Speaker 1: hair have or what the you know, scenario is that
Speaker 1: you hunting. But he's just a guy like I really
Speaker 1: enjoy talking with and geeking out on that stuff with.
Speaker 1: So he's one who comes to mind right out the gate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll be my first just the first thing that came
Speaker 1: to mind to be Mark.
Speaker 3: I feel like you were angling for a job there
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope I'm not. I hope I'm not
Speaker 1: in need for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know another Andy, like we all we
Speaker 1: love Andy May He's another one of those guys who
Speaker 1: he's an og. He's very, very very knowledgeable, another really
Speaker 1: good communicator and definitely someone I look at as one
Speaker 1: of the best deer hunters I know, while also not
Speaker 1: being a jerk and being like a humble, good guy
Speaker 1: to talk to. So, you know, if if Mark is
Speaker 1: like your private land managed guy, and I was, if
Speaker 1: I was going to pick someone who's more like the
Speaker 1: di y or public, maybe Andy would be the guy
Speaker 1: on the other side that I would put up in
Speaker 1: my top two at least first first thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good answer.
Speaker 4: Do you feel that we could use the Wired to
Speaker 4: Hunt platform to ask the same exact questions that we
Speaker 4: asked you today to those guys? Uh?
Speaker 1: No, okay, I think uh, I.
Speaker 4: Just wanted I was curious, you know, brainstorman I had
Speaker 4: an idea.
Speaker 1: You're an idea guy, and I appreciated.
Speaker 3: I'm the wildcard. The wildcard.
Speaker 1: You are the wildcard. That's it. That's just makes you wonderful. Well,
Speaker 1: if nothing else. I think people laugh today, which is
Speaker 1: the best medicine we could ever ask for. So good
Speaker 1: stuff on that front. Real quick, Do you guys have
Speaker 1: a few more minutes to talk through our goals and plans?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, Do you want to lead us off
Speaker 1: with a quick rundown of what your hunt plans are
Speaker 1: this year and your goals maybe hopes, however you want
Speaker 1: to frame it?
Speaker 3: Yep, okay, real quick.
Speaker 4: Just got finally just got trail cameras up last two
Speaker 4: weeks and my number one target buck on my main
Speaker 4: farm showed back up.
Speaker 3: So he is alive.
Speaker 4: He's not showing up on camera a regularly regularly, but
Speaker 4: he's alive, and based off of historic knowledge, I know
Speaker 4: the the route that he's running, and so I'm feeling
Speaker 4: really good about attacking him come that prerect timeframe.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: New farm that's been really active with they've been mowing
Speaker 4: and bailing hay right now, so I'm getting a lot
Speaker 4: of that on trail cameras. But once they get that
Speaker 4: Hey out of there, I feel like the cameras are
Speaker 4: going to start opening up and I'm going to get
Speaker 4: a good idea of what's running around on the main farm.
Speaker 4: Last year, there were some absolute studs on that farm.
Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward to seeing that. I have an
Speaker 4: out of state hunt to South Dakota where I'm going
Speaker 4: to go all in on mule deer until I don't
Speaker 4: go all in on mule deer and I find myself
Speaker 4: hunting white beast. So I got that's planned for mid
Speaker 4: to late October as well, and then depending on if
Speaker 4: and when I take out in Iowa, I might be
Speaker 4: hopping up to some public in Wiscon in Minnesota or
Speaker 4: potentially Oklahoma, depending on if and when nice.
Speaker 1: So, other than killing your target buck, is there any
Speaker 1: like top goal or two within that? Or are you
Speaker 1: not really focusing on the target buck? You watch shoot
Speaker 1: any four year old? What's your what are you chasing
Speaker 1: specifically this year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So you know it's mature, right, it's whatever the top
Speaker 4: tier buck in on the on said farms are right,
Speaker 4: And so I don't get too terribly fired up on
Speaker 4: velvet pictures because we all know the velvet comes off,
Speaker 4: there's redistribution of deer and sometimes they stick around, sometimes
Speaker 4: they don't, or sometimes they disappear and then come back
Speaker 4: in that late October timeframe and so I don't. I
Speaker 4: like to I like to know that certain deer exists
Speaker 4: and are in the area. But from a strategy standpoint,
Speaker 4: these pictures don't mean too much right now, and so
Speaker 4: I will when I do my card pull, like at
Speaker 4: the end of October, I'll get a better idea of
Speaker 4: what deer running through the area, and then I'll make
Speaker 4: a strategy at that point.
Speaker 1: Sweet, what about you, Tony oh Man.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of goals this year. First and foremost,
Speaker 3: my daughter drew a bear tag in Wisconsin. So I'm
Speaker 3: driving over there baiting bears, and I have some absolute
Speaker 3: toads coming in. I have a bear tag too, but
Speaker 3: I don't care. I'll hunt them some. But I want
Speaker 3: to get her a bear. And I was kind of
Speaker 3: before I started bating, I was like, whatever, whatever, legal
Speaker 3: bear is great. But I've got a couple bears coming
Speaker 3: in that are like four hundred ish four hundred plus
Speaker 3: maybe live weight, And so now I'm kind of like, man,
Speaker 3: do we really put in some time to try to
Speaker 3: get her a big, big bear? So I'm working on that.
Speaker 3: I want to get the girls both Bucks. They've never
Speaker 3: gotten Bucks in the same year, and so I'm working
Speaker 3: on that too, and I have a couple of deer
Speaker 3: that are they I think they're going to stick to
Speaker 3: what they're doing for that opener in Wisconsin over there.
Speaker 3: And then I last time you and I talked, Mark,
Speaker 3: you were talking about a new spot you had, and
Speaker 3: I told you that I had. You know, I flew
Speaker 3: really close to the sun and I thought I was
Speaker 3: losing this this property by my house. Well I got
Speaker 3: on that place. The guy called me up. He's like,
Speaker 3: we're gonna hang some stands. What are we doing? And
Speaker 3: so I've got that place set up and a couple
Speaker 3: of cameras in there, and I don't want to curse
Speaker 3: it yet, but it is the pictures I'm getting. Just
Speaker 3: the amount of deer in there is so awesome. And
Speaker 3: I haven't got any big, big deer in there, but
Speaker 3: there's a couple that are like one thirty to one
Speaker 3: fifty class that are They're not real consistent yet, but
Speaker 3: I think they will be a little bit later. So
Speaker 3: it's like it's one of those things that almost never
Speaker 3: ever happens to you, you know, especially where I live,
Speaker 3: where it's like you Now you get a place to
Speaker 3: hunt that's seven eight minutes from your house and it
Speaker 3: has quality and quantity, and so I'm I'm working on
Speaker 3: that and just trying to figure out what I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do with my Minnesota tag there, because that is I'm
Speaker 3: so excited to hunt a new spot that I don't
Speaker 3: have to drive two hours to go get to, you know,
Speaker 3: and then you know, I've got a Oklahoma hunt, in
Speaker 3: a North Dakota and something else, I think, but all
Speaker 3: white tails just just I just want to spend my
Speaker 3: time this season with the girls doing cool stuff and
Speaker 3: then hunt some new places and hunt some places.
Speaker 1: I want to what's the deal with that new property?
Speaker 1: Is that sounds like the landowner is a hunter too?
Speaker 1: Is he? Are you guys both hunting it? Or is he?
Speaker 1: What's the deal?
Speaker 3: So this is a guy, a very typical kind of
Speaker 3: Upper Midwestern dude who's rifle hunted. You know, they have
Speaker 3: the family cabin, the deer shack, the whole thing. He's
Speaker 3: he started bow hunting very recently, I think in the
Speaker 3: life last couple of years, never killed a deer with
Speaker 3: the bow. I honestly don't know for sure if he's
Speaker 3: killed one with a rifle. And so he's real green,
Speaker 3: and so I should have said this, like, part of
Speaker 3: my goal is to get that dude his first deer,
Speaker 3: and you know, he'll get his chances. I think he
Speaker 3: shot at one buck with a bow one time walking
Speaker 3: around a couple of years ago. But he's just he's
Speaker 3: going out there with me, hanging stands like he's he's
Speaker 3: not really familiar with our process at all, you know, lifelines,
Speaker 3: the whole thing, cameras, putting up blinds, brushing them in.
Speaker 3: So that's actually been pretty fun because he's just like
Speaker 3: a sponge. He's like he's there to learn the only
Speaker 3: thing that worries me about it. And you know how
Speaker 3: this goes, right, You get permission, you do all this work,
Speaker 3: and then you start getting pictures of big bucks, and
Speaker 3: I'm just I don't want him to be like, I
Speaker 3: don't think I want this dude in here hunting these
Speaker 3: big bucks. You know, they're on my land, right, You're like,
Speaker 3: it's the one danger, but I don't. I don't think
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. But it really you know the last
Speaker 3: time we talked about this, I was like I'd kind
Speaker 3: of resigned myself that this was gone. I'm not this
Speaker 3: this spot's and no go and now you know, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm set up in there, and the amount of deer
Speaker 3: and I'll say this too, the thing I'm learning in there,
Speaker 3: and I don't I don't really know what's going on.
Speaker 3: But when I walked through there with him, I found
Speaker 3: an apple tree that he didn't know was there. And
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, whatever this apple tree is doing, if
Speaker 3: you could bottle that up and sell it to other hunters,
Speaker 3: it is unreal. And there's there's wild plums, there's acorns dropping,
Speaker 3: there's other apple trees. It's not like there's an absence
Speaker 3: of soft and hard masks or destination food in the area.
Speaker 3: But I put a camera up on that tree just
Speaker 3: to see the amount of deer, turkeys, raccoons, gray fox, coyotes,
Speaker 3: like everything comes in there and checks for those apples,
Speaker 3: and it's all day long, like it's you know, we've
Speaker 3: had this weather lately where it's like, you know, ninety
Speaker 3: seven degrees and one hundred percent humidity, and you're like,
Speaker 3: there's nothing, nothing should be moving. And I'm getting pictures
Speaker 3: of bucks at like one in the afternoon. They must
Speaker 3: just get up out of their bed and they're like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go see if any apples fell and these
Speaker 3: are good deer and you know, doze and scrapper bucks
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it's like, I don't. It's just opening
Speaker 3: my eyes to that reality. They're like, man, if there's
Speaker 3: a food source like that, a very specific thing that
Speaker 3: they are into, they're checking it because there's just competition there.
Speaker 3: So they're checking it all day long. It's so cool.
Speaker 1: So opening day setup, I think that's the spot.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't. So this is how you know, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is dumb thing to complain about. I have to
Speaker 3: film in southeastern Minnesota for the first four days of
Speaker 3: the season, so I have I have other stuff set
Speaker 3: up down there. There's some pretty good bucks down there.
Speaker 3: Then I have to go pick up my daughter and
Speaker 3: we're filming the first five days of the bear season.
Speaker 3: Then I come home for a day and I gotta
Speaker 3: fly to Bozeman now in the end of September, and
Speaker 3: so for the first essentially fifteen days of the season,
Speaker 3: I can't hunt this new place. But the owner. I
Speaker 3: talked to the landowner. I was like, you, dude, you
Speaker 3: need to get out there, and he's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: wait for you because he doesn't he's never butchered one
Speaker 3: on his own, like he's not real confident in the process.
Speaker 3: So I was like, well, if you want to wait
Speaker 3: for me to get there, not going ahead of time,
Speaker 3: that's great. So no, it'll be probably in October, right
Speaker 3: around the beginning of October when I get to hunt
Speaker 3: there for the first time.
Speaker 1: Man, you just got to make sure this guy never
Speaker 1: discovers the Wired to Hunt podcast, because if he realizes
Speaker 1: that he can get all the learning he needs from you,
Speaker 1: but doesn't need you hunting the property with it, he
Speaker 1: can just listen to on the podcast, you're screwed.
Speaker 3: I'm I don't get the impression this guy is gonna
Speaker 3: be subscribing to Wired a hundred times soon.
Speaker 1: Let's just get it that way, man, that sounds good.
Speaker 1: So on my side, I take off for a Wisconsin
Speaker 1: and Minnesota fishing hunting trip combo in mid September, so
Speaker 1: that one would be like any deer would be a
Speaker 1: good deer, So that'll be kind of fun. And then
Speaker 1: when October hits be targeting the local Michigan spots. I've got,
Speaker 1: you know, as we talked about a few weeks ago, Tony,
Speaker 1: I've got a new property. I've picked up access to
Speaker 1: that I'm pretty excited about. I have went out and
Speaker 1: did all the scouting we talked about. I've got a
Speaker 1: bunch of cameras out there, and there's a lot of deer.
Speaker 1: There's bucks. There's not the age class buck that I
Speaker 1: thought there was going to be. There's like a lot
Speaker 1: of two year olds and three year olds and maybe
Speaker 1: there's been like two bucks that maybe or four, So
Speaker 1: we'll see. You know, stuff's obviously gonna change once September hits.
Speaker 1: So I've i've I'm hoping kind of my feel on
Speaker 1: the properties that really sets up more for a fall
Speaker 1: range this year. In particular, there's beans and open canopy
Speaker 1: woods and stuff on a lot of the neighboring property,
Speaker 1: but the property itself that I can hunt is corn
Speaker 1: and like thicker than thick stuff. So that's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that they're not necessarily going to be in
Speaker 1: super heavy in the summer, but I'm sure in the
Speaker 1: fall they will be. So I'm counting on hopefully something
Speaker 1: moving in that I'll be really excited about. But either way,
Speaker 1: I think we'll have some fun. And as far as
Speaker 1: goals in Michigan, I do have like a number one
Speaker 1: target buck on my main farm, which is the buck
Speaker 1: I call the wide nine. And this is a deer
Speaker 1: that has been around the longest of any deer I've
Speaker 1: ever followed. This would be the fourth year that I've
Speaker 1: been able to see him because as a two year
Speaker 1: old he stood out because he was a really wide
Speaker 1: nine pointer as a two year old, and then he's
Speaker 1: just basically been the same thing, but a little bit
Speaker 1: bigger every single year. So he's five and a half
Speaker 1: year this year and the only five and a half
Speaker 1: year old I know of in that area, so he'll
Speaker 1: be number one. There's a second buck that my son
Speaker 1: named Bulldozer. He's a pretty cool nine pointer as well.
Speaker 1: They're both decent. He's a four year old. So there'll
Speaker 1: be something in southern Michigan between that and the new farm.
Speaker 1: And then a big thing is up in our Northern
Speaker 1: Michigan deer camp. We've got a bunch of work we've
Speaker 1: been doing up there. We've never had that set up
Speaker 1: as well as it is now, and I've got a
Speaker 1: five day trip planned up there in October with my
Speaker 1: dad where the goal is just to help him kill
Speaker 1: a deer up there. So that's something I'm very excited
Speaker 1: about because I'll have a good excuse to be able
Speaker 1: to spend extra time up there, and it's work and
Speaker 1: can spend some time with my dad, And so we
Speaker 1: put in We had some help come in the spring
Speaker 1: and we carved in like a little microfood plot in
Speaker 1: our big mature woods, and then two other like betting
Speaker 1: pockets in there, and then we expanded the one little
Speaker 1: eighth acre food plot we had into like an acre.
Speaker 1: So last week we went in there and we set
Speaker 1: up four blinds in spots for my day for different
Speaker 1: wind directions and stuff. We planted, fertilized and lined to
Speaker 1: the food plots, got four scrape trees up, four sets
Speaker 1: of trial cameras, and then when all that was done,
Speaker 1: I was feeling great. We found out that one of
Speaker 1: our neighbors, who was a non hunter, planted like an
Speaker 1: acre and a half of corn on the edge of
Speaker 1: our property that he just put up there because he
Speaker 1: wants the deer to have something to eat and there's
Speaker 1: not agg in the area. So it was already gonna
Speaker 1: be a huge deal for us to have an acre
Speaker 1: food plot in the middle of this big swampy woods country.
Speaker 1: And now there's that back in the cover, and then
Speaker 1: an acre of corn just on the other side, so
Speaker 1: we all of a sudden like went from zero high
Speaker 1: quality food to now a ton of it relative to
Speaker 1: the area. So I'm I'm like over the moon excited
Speaker 1: about what happens up there, both for my dad, but
Speaker 1: then in gun season when I go back, you know,
Speaker 1: i'd certainly shoot something if I could get a half
Speaker 1: decent buck up there too. So goals are, hopefully kill
Speaker 1: the wide nine or mature buck down in one of
Speaker 1: the southern places. Hopefully get my dad a deer up camp.
Speaker 1: I'm going back to Nebraska for a week in November,
Speaker 1: so I would love to kill a better buck even there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a little bit more picky in Nebraska
Speaker 1: this year, just because I want to spend more time there.
Speaker 1: Like I killed the deer the first day last year,
Speaker 1: and it's so much fun that I just want to
Speaker 1: be there longer. So excited about that one. And then
Speaker 1: I want a one hundred in control shot this year,
Speaker 1: like I've I think both of you know. Last year,
Speaker 1: you know, again, I was redeveloping my shooting process and
Speaker 1: just trying to get better, more in control and stuff
Speaker 1: and last year, I did better, but I'd say like
Speaker 1: all my shots, like the best I ever did was
Speaker 1: like maybe like a B or B plus on you know,
Speaker 1: going through my entire process, not skipping any steps, not
Speaker 1: rushing at all, I did better, but I still know,
Speaker 1: like the very final thing, it was still like, you know,
Speaker 1: muscle memory taken over a little bit. I want to
Speaker 1: have one shot at least where it's like, man, that
Speaker 1: was perfect. I want a perfect shot this year, so
Speaker 1: I'm working towards that. And and then I just want
Speaker 1: to keep the fun that I had last year, like
Speaker 1: continue to just focus on enjoying it, continue to stop
Speaker 1: worrying about all the outside noise, and just like keep
Speaker 1: the good vibes going, which a lot of that too,
Speaker 1: is like spending more time with friends and family during
Speaker 1: hunting season, which I'm gonna try to do this year.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's my plan. So it'll be September when
Speaker 1: this one goes out, or at least the last day
Speaker 1: of bat August. So basically the fall begins now and
Speaker 1: we're off to the races. So best of luck, gentlemen, Best.
Speaker 3: Of luck, same to you guys, you too, buddy, hey.
Speaker 1: And thank you, thank you, both for doing this. This
Speaker 1: is fun. It's a good excuse to laugh a lot,
Speaker 1: catch up a little, and embarrass me. So thank you.
Speaker 3: Mission complete, Yeah, buddy, mission.
Speaker 1: Complete, and that is a wrap. Thank you all for
Speaker 1: joining us for this one. It was different. I guess
Speaker 1: you could say to say the least Tony and Dan
Speaker 1: and really gave. I don't know through miss some curveballs.
Speaker 1: Took this in a different direction than I was planning.
Speaker 1: But you never know what's gonna happen with those two.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you still learn a few things there in between
Speaker 1: them insulting my pride, my marriage, and who knows what else.
Speaker 1: But try to be a good sport, try to have
Speaker 1: a good time, and that we did so thanks for
Speaker 1: being a part of it. Appreciate you being a part
Speaker 1: of this community. Hunting season is here or just about
Speaker 1: for some of you in certain states, so if you
Speaker 1: are hitting those early season dates with the bow, I'm
Speaker 1: wishing you the best of luck, have fun out there,
Speaker 1: keep your priorities straight, enjoy yourself, be safe, and until
Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to hunt.