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Speaker 1: this week take us in some different directions than usual,

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Speaker 1: usual episodes. I want to give you a fair warning.

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Speaker 1: Maybe throw some ear muffs on or tune into a

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Speaker 1: different show. Thanks, Sol, Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: the White Tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 2: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 2: Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on

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Speaker 1: the show, roles are being reversed and I am being

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Speaker 1: put through the what would you do? Gauntlet, breaking down

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Speaker 1: exactly how I'd handle the most challenging deer hunting scenarios.

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Speaker 1: The guest's host Tony and Dan Kin dream of All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the wiretong podcast, brought to you by First Light,

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Speaker 1: and today we have got a very special episode. We

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Speaker 1: are finishing up our what would you do? Series, but

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Speaker 1: we're doing it in wildly different fashion. I guess you

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Speaker 1: and we will talk about what I would do in

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Speaker 1: different hypothetical scenarios. And to do that, there was only

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Speaker 1: Wiretome Podcast. Over the years, we've got the og Dan Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, and thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Mary, appreciate it. Mark. That was a wonderful introduction.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm really looking forward to this.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to say in the outset for everyone listening,

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Speaker 1: like anything that Tony and Dan bring up, it's likely false.

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Speaker 3: So, Dan, do you want me to kick this one off?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? But I have to say something real quick before

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Speaker 4: I really hope that this conversation today and the questions

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Speaker 1: That was way too serious.

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Speaker 1: It seems like there's a butt coming, Dan.

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Speaker 4: Like I'll be honest, Mark, you should have never asked

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Speaker 1: The very first move would be probably to pull up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're right. I usually hit the first like

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Speaker 1: it's still some kind of impact. So I would wait

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Speaker 1: And there's a few places that I have prepared for

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm not gonna be I'm not

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Speaker 1: you know, no matter what. And so if this big

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Speaker 1: you know, I can't hunt him. So I'm not going

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Speaker 3: But I know.

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Speaker 1: What I do know, though, is if you are careful

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Speaker 1: I'll have opportunities at them throughout the entire hunting season. Often,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go just plunge into his bedding

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Speaker 3: I get you where you needed to go, Dan, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: did make you Tony. You need a little more caffeine.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Tony's judgy. You're judging me over there

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Speaker 3: No, buddy, there's a very safe Mark Kenyan answer. I

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Speaker 3: and kill that sucker from the ground. But you know

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Speaker 3: it's not your style. It's okay, buddy, I have one

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Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, somebody puts a gun to

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Speaker 1: What do you do on that same property?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So in that case, I would, you know, go

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Speaker 1: And so in this case, I would slip in there

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Speaker 1: And it's a little bit of a crapshoot on that front.

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Speaker 1: So just don't get boogered, like, don't let them onto

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Speaker 1: And I think you know i'd get one to come.

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Speaker 1: Then yeah, but only when I if I have that

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Speaker 3: Place onto your head. You gotta blow your brains out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't let me take that back. If we

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Speaker 1: get to the end of the week and it hasn't

434
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: worked out for me, then I would, you know, if

435
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: it's the last two or three days, then then yeah,

436
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: I guess there's a gun to my head and I'll

437
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: take more risks. Even then but I want at least

438
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: the first like three nights unfed up. I want those first,

439
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: like three really good nights before I mess it up again.

440
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: Like another tricky thing about this property is this very

441
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: high deer density, like really high deer density. So getting

442
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: in and out unscathed and having a hunt whether you

443
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: don't booker things up is you know, more the exception

444
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: than the rule. So you just have to Like, I know,

445
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: you guys like to give me a hard time about

446
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: being conservative on this one, but uh but if you're not,

447
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna mess it up. And I found that,

448
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, if I found the good balancing act. I

449
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: think between aggressive and the right kind of ways at

450
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: the right times, but not so much that the fifty

451
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: deer that I run around know what's going on right away.

452
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: Dan, there you go, I mean, and answer my question.

453
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 4: I got what I wanted out of him.

454
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: I got.

455
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 4: I got to answer that I wanted out of my question. No, No,

456
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 4: out of the where all this came from? Right, Like, No,

457
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 4: I know he he's obviously approaching it, and I can understand.

458
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the limited access alone on that piece, right,

459
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 4: it's only from one direction, right, you can only access

460
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: that farm and uh, correct me if I'm wrong, you

461
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 4: have to go through a majority of egg or flat

462
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: ground with no cover even to just get into it.

463
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: Right, So the morning hunts would.

464
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 4: Would potentially be difficult to go into knowing that deer

465
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 4: are edge creatures and they're probably out in those fields

466
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 4: and food plots before the uh you know, in the dark,

467
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: So it would be it would be tough.

468
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: So but let me ask you this though, Mark, because

469
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: you said it was corn this year, doesn't that change

470
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 3: your access options in the morning or not? Good question, Tony,

471
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: Thanks buddy.

472
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: If the corn is standing, it does make access, you know,

473
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: easier in that there's not big, wide open fields, but

474
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: there's still going to be a pile of deer out

475
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: on the edges of the fields and feeding all around.

476
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: Like even on what years in this excuse and state corn,

477
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: there's gonna be deer blowing without a doubt if I

478
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: were going in there for a morning hunt, and I know,

479
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: like in November, with a standing corn, even whether I

480
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: walk through the middle of the field or if I

481
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: follow the fence row, you just can't get through this

482
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: area without deer knowing what's up. So I'm just careful

483
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: about when I do that, and the risk or the

484
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: reward has to outweigh the risk for me to do that.

485
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: Knowing that every one of those is like a high

486
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: impact situation, I have the I have a What I

487
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: uniquely have is because this area is close enough to

488
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: where I live that I can get a friend or

489
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: family member to help me on the evenings. I get

490
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: I get out of jail free card for the evening

491
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: hunts because as often as possible, I'll have someone drive

492
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: out with the ATV or the truck or something and

493
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: pick me up for those evening hunts on this property.

494
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: And so I can get away with a lot more

495
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: because my evening access, despite that tough situation we just

496
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: talked about, my evening exit is much slower impact. So

497
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: knowing that I lean that direction.

498
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: All right, buddy, Dan Tony, I think it's your turn

499
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: to ask a question. Oh you do all right? I

500
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: think I got a good one here for you. Mark. So, Mark,

501
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: you're hunting Ohio on Halloween. It is it's go time, right,

502
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: Weather's perfect sign everywhere, and you're set up in just

503
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: a banging spot and you hear a grunt close by

504
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: and You're like, oh, this is gonna be good, big

505
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: deep grunt, and soon one hundred and eighty inch non

506
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: typical chases a dobe beneath your stand, right, I mean mega, giant, right, mega?

507
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: He stops at twenty yards. He stops at twenty yards.

508
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: You totally whiff right over his back. But he doesn't

509
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 3: know what's going on. He's all keyed up, right, So

510
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 3: you get another arrow knocked up with again. This happens

511
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: until you're a quivering mess, you're ont arrows, and he

512
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: trots away unscathed. Do you tell anyone? Or do you

513
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: take that to your grave?

514
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: Oh?

515
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: Man?

516
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great scenario here to plant into my mind

517
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: heading to the season. Oh, I sure as hell hope

518
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: that never happens. I have never let me think this through.

519
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: I've never gotten more than one shot a deer that

520
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I've missed. I've missed deer, but I've never gotten a

521
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: second shot and missed again. So knock on wood, don't.

522
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't have this in my quiver of experiences yet,

523
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: but I probably would tell. I have told about every

524
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: single one of my misses except for one in the

525
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: last fifteen years, So there's only one miss that I

526
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: kept to myself in the last fifteen years, and I

527
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: think I ended up talking about that like a couple

528
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: of years ago. So it's all out there, and I

529
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: guess people have seen and heard about all my lumps.

530
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: So to this point, if I were to miss a

531
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: one eighty a bunch of times, that probably wouldn't make

532
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 1: people feel any worse about me. They already know I'm

533
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: a knucklehead and I make a lot of mistakes, So

534
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: I would probably tell the story. I would just really

535
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: hope I would get redemption in the in the near future.

536
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: It would hurt me to tell the story, and I'd

537
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: be really upset about it in the following minutes, but

538
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: I would.

539
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I have to. You would you would put you'd

540
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: come out with it, you'd you'd be honest about it,

541
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: all right. I think let's let's take that scenario. Let's

542
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: say you empty that quiver on that one eighty, miss

543
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: him every time you climb down from your tree after

544
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: he runs away, and you're picking up your arrows and

545
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: a two hundred and seven inch typical runs in this

546
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: This is the hottest dough in Michigan or Ohio.

547
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's a heck of a property too.

548
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you've got a handful of arrows, and you know,

549
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: and that buck is just chasing that dough around you

550
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: in circles. It's like a freaking cartoon out there. And

551
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: and you empty that quiver again again. Yeah, okay, you

552
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: miss him again with all your arrows, and on your

553
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: last shot you just hail marry him, and you miss him,

554
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: but you hit a little tiny spike in the antlers

555
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: behind him. Everybody runs off and you've you've peed yourself

556
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: a little bit. The whole thing is is real rough.

557
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: Now do you tell this story? Do you not your grave?

558
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: I think I quit deer hunting, and it's it's suicide

559
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 1: watch for a few weeks after that point. All right,

560
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: all right that would be the end. Wow, I love it. Well,

561
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: I don't like the negativity here, but.

562
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: Well, hey, I tell you what, Mark, if you liked

563
00:29:43,760 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 4: that question, you're gonna love this one. You spent and

564
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: right you get a call from Steve Ranella. Steve Vanella

565
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: says Mark, once in a lifetime Alaska hunting opportunity with

566
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: your bow. We're gonna go do it, and we're going

567
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: to go do it big. But you got to be

568
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: gone for potentially two to three weeks. All right, that's

569
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: a long time being away from the family. All right,

570
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: So you get back, let's say right around the twentieth

571
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: of September, you go back to you know, Dad, You

572
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: go back to hunting Michigan. You know, the opener comes.

573
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: You start hunting Michigan, maybe some other places. And it's

574
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: mid October, maybe a little later in October, and you're

575
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: in good news. Your wife tells you that you're expecting

576
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: a third child. So and so, oh man, everything's everything's

577
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: going great, everything's going great. You're excited. So one night

578
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 4: you're out with your boy, your wife's in the house,

579
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: you're out with your voice, and you're shooting in the backyard,

580
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: getting your reps in for this season, and all of

581
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: a sudden it pops into your head. Man, the dates

582
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: just don't add up.

583
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: I was in.

584
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: I was in Alaska. Okay, wait up.

585
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 4: And so so, all of a sudden, all of a sudden,

586
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: in your brain, you're thinking about this, and you acquire

587
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 4: target panic in the middle of the season. And that's

588
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: the question if you if you were to acquire target

589
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: panic in the middle of the season, what steps are

590
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: you taking to get.

591
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Out of that.

592
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, never mind that your wife's carrying somebody else's baby.

593
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: How do you deal with the target panic.

594
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a lot of things to address.

595
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: Here, but let's get the important stuff talked about.

596
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: Gotta get that target bucks though, So in this scenario,

597
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing I would do if I

598
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 1: pick up a bad case of target panic in the

599
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: middle of the season, would you know a number one

600
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: get back to the basics. So like just get back

601
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: to like probably doing like blind bail type shooting, just

602
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable getting a surprise release. Again, I've had some

603
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: times where I'll realize, like I'm holding my release wrong,

604
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: or you know, with an index finger release, you know

605
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: where you grip onto the trigger, if it's tighter or looser,

606
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: you can kind of loosen that up. And they'll be

607
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: different things like little weird form things and stuff that

608
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: can throw off your form and your surprise release. So

609
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: I just make sure, like make sure there's nothing like

610
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: that that has somehow slipped into my process that's triggered

611
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: my issue. But as soon as like I've got that

612
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: figured out, and I maybe would have a friend come

613
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: over just someone like watch me. Just make sure that

614
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: not some weird subconscious thing that's going on that I'm

615
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm so stressed. I'm so focused on

616
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: these outside things that I'm just like, you know, not

617
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: paying attention to. As long as that's checked out and

618
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: not happening, would go back to just like getting a

619
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: bunch of reps in at close range and just feel

620
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: really comfortable at shooting, and then I would just try

621
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: to get a kill or two under my belt. I

622
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: would go to dough hunting. I would start doll hunting,

623
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: and I'd have a very low maximum range. I would

624
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: tell myself, all right, man, twenty yards and in and

625
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I'd go somewhere where there's a lot of dos, a

626
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: high target opportunity, and just try to kill some doughs

627
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 1: and get that kind of out of the way, like

628
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: just get the monkey off my back again in a

629
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: situation that's like really hard not to mess up, hopefully,

630
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: and that would be that'd be step. I think that'd

631
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: be the first thing I do. So I would go back,

632
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: just make sure that my form and like everything's okay.

633
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: I'd shoot a ton at close range and just try

634
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: to rebuild confidence, and then I would really get the

635
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: confidence again by getting in there in the field and

636
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: killing some does. And I think every time you do

637
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: that that takes, you know, several layers of whatever that

638
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: target panic issue could be off the table and then

639
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: we would have some serious talks my wife and I.

640
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 3: Good answer after the season.

641
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: After the shooting, after the shooting, yep.

642
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: Feel good about that, Dan, that's I mean, yeah, I

643
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 4: mean I think that acquiring target panic in the middle

644
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: of the season would absolutely suck.

645
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: The would Yeah, and the other thing too.

646
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of them? Yeah, pretty rough? Yeah? Really?

647
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like going, So this is basically like a This

648
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: is basically a series of worst case scenarios. Usually I

649
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: give my guests like challenging. You guys are giving worst

650
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: case scenarios, which is great. I'm up for the challenge.

651
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: You have to be able to overcome, right, Yes, got

652
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: to be able to overcome man.

653
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: But on the on a serious note, have you had

654
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: a vasectomy yet? Mark?

655
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, I did.

656
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: Well.

657
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: We don't have to worry about like pregnancy scares.

658
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: Right, hopefully I hear they go bad though, like you

659
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: can have a mishap still, So fingers crossed.

660
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: Not only that, but also his wife's pregnant, so it

661
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: doesn't matter anyway, she got it some exactly can't. You

662
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: can't get double pregnant, so I mean, it depends how

663
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: you look at it, because my wife got double pregnant once.

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. You're still dealing with the

665
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: after effects now.

666
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't abandon my family. I guess still raising

667
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: my kids. Mark.

668
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm glad for you.

669
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, what's next? All right, Well, I'm gonna

670
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 3: skip a couple because I have one that sort of

671
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: plays off of what Dan just asks you. Oh jeez,

672
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: all right, well you know marital issues. Oh all right, Marcus,

673
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: It's November fifth, and you've been getting after it all season.

674
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you've been pushing it right to the edge

675
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: with the whole family thing, and you know, after you

676
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: trout fished all summer long and ignored your family and everything,

677
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: like it's really it's really adding up at home. So

678
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: you come home one day November fifth, and missus Kenyon

679
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: it's obviously pretty pissed at you, and she says things

680
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: like you're an absentee father who only cares about deer.

681
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: I never really loved you, like, you know, pretty harsh stuff, right,

682
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: So you decide all right, half a week, I have

683
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: a rut cation, but I probably shouldn't do all days

684
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: sits because she's kind of ticked at you. You can

685
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 3: either only hunt mornings or evenings. What are you choosing why?

686
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: Great question?

687
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: Great question. Yeah, I'm going with mornings for that time period,

688
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: and hopefully I can push it into the middle of

689
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: the day a little bit. Give me that you know,

690
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: first six hours of the day or whatever it is.

691
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things going for you.

692
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: I do think just during the rut time period, you

693
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Speaker 1: have a longer duration of deer being on their feet.

694
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: Now that's not always the case, like sometimes the deer

695
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: on their feet early in the afternoon. But I would

696
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: just say, if I had to average, go pick the

697
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: average time period, I'd say, like, maybe you've got even

698
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: on a good weather day, you know, there might be

699
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: bucks moving all morning into the middle of the day,

700
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Speaker 1: but then almost always there's a little bit of a

701
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: lull in that, like I don't know, you know, two

702
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: o'clock to four o'clock or somewhere in that ballpark. So

703
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: if you did just the evening hunts, all you have

704
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: is that, you know, two to five thirty or two

705
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: to six or three to six or whatever it is.

706
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: And then if you throw in warm weather, then it's

707
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: even worse. So if you've got a warm weather stretch

708
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: during November, your mornings are likely still cool, so that's

709
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: always gonna be the coolest part of the day. I

710
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: think you've got those bucks on their feet more. They're

711
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: checking all those betting areas, they're doing their cruising thing.

712
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: I just think those mornings are dynamite. And then add

713
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: on top of that the likely like you can't go

714
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: wrong with the weather in the mornings at least during

715
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: that time period. Almost that would without a doubt be

716
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: the decision I'd make for sure.

717
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: Huh yep, Yeah, I think you know. I was thinking

718
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: about this when I wrote it, because I I would

719
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: you know, probably five years ago I would have one

720
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: said mornings without question. And I think about it a

721
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: little more because I have some pretty good rut hunts

722
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Speaker 3: in the afternoon in the evening. But I still think

723
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: I lean toward your answer, like I think that you

724
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: just got to take that sunrise to noon shift if

725
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: you get it.

726
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I mean evenings could be great too.

727
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: I'd like to both.

728
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: But uh, you screw that up. Yeah, that's why she's

729
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: pregnant with another man's baby.

730
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: Fat fact. Yeah, yeah, dude, that that question is a

731
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: no brainer for me. Like I don't even need to

732
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: think about it.

733
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: It's mornings, yeah, can't be all right?

734
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: Let me ask both of you guys then, would would

735
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 3: your answer change at all if you couldn't hunt private

736
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: land and you had to hunt public no, knowing that

737
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: everybody's going to be thinking the same way as you,

738
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: like I gotta get out there in the mornings, does

739
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: it change at all? No?

740
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, because I think like, yeah, everyone's everyone knows

741
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: they want to go out in the mornings, But I

742
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: think that doesn't mean they're not going to hunt the

743
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: evenings too, Like everyone's gonna want to hunt the evenings

744
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: as well. And it might you might say that there's

745
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more pressure in the evenings on public

746
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: land even at that time period, I think, because there'll

747
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: be a few people that maybe can't I mean, I

748
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: don't know, but there's some folks that can get out

749
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: for an evening hunt, you know, after work, that can't

750
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: hunt that morning stretch because they have to go to work.

751
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: So during that weekday period, you might have actually a

752
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: little bit less in the morning, despite the fact conditions

753
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: are better. I just think, you know, the only thing

754
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: that you'd have going for you with the evening hunt

755
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: is you could like scout your way in, you know,

756
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: to hunt places in the middle of the day, and

757
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: then you just have to do that in the post

758
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: hunt situation. Now, in this situation, so I can hunt

759
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the mornings and then if I need to relocate, if

760
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: I need to do something new, that's gonna happen after

761
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: the hunt, and I'll set up for the next morning.

762
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: Can I'm gonna piggyback off of that for a second?

763
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 3: One consideration I would have. This is totally situational, totally anecdotal,

764
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 3: but I feel like people are way more likely to

765
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 3: walk in on you in the morning than in the evening,

766
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: So I always look at it and listen. I'll hunt

767
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: the mornings every time too. But on public land it

768
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 3: feels like if people show up in the dark, they're

769
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: just going in. But you know, if you show up

770
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: at like two o'clock in the afternoon or whatever, there's

771
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: a guy parked at this trailhead or this spot, you

772
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: might go on to the next spot. So I think

773
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: there's a little advantage there.

774
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting point. I mean I could see that.

775
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: I got Dan. All right, next question mark Kenyon.

776
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: Okay, rut vacation really, any vacation really, any time of year.

777
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: You can you can throw in whatever you want here,

778
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 4: but it's public land. It's an out of state hunt.

779
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 3: All right.

780
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: You've done your your e scouting. Maybe you even went

781
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: there and you found some old sign. Maybe you had

782
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 4: the opportunity to do some boots on the ground scouting.

783
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: You find the sign, maybe you have a good idea

784
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: of where you're going to go. You get there and

785
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: you start to hunt, and you're not seeing the movement

786
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 4: that you want. You're not seeing the quality of deer

787
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 4: that you want, so forth and so on. When do

788
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 4: you abandon Plan A and go.

789
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: To Plan B.

790
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so relatively quickly, definitely after day two. You know,

791
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: I think day one, i'd, you know, go into somewhere

792
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: where I've have some intel on, whether it be through

793
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: scouting or whatever. I'm going into a spot for a

794
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: reason day one. If I see like nothing that first day,

795
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: I'll push in further on day two, get more aggressive

796
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: with wherever whatever the feature is that I'm hunting or

797
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: the betting area or the foods or whatever it is,

798
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I'll push in more on day two. If I still

799
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: by day two, you know, if coming up blank, if

800
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to get even more, I'll just basically

801
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: get more and more and more aggressive through day one

802
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: through three, let's say. And if still at that point,

803
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: like I'm not seeing any strong options, like there's no

804
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: way to push in further, there's no other back door

805
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: to check, then yeah. I mean, if it's a week

806
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: long trip, you know, by day three and a half

807
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: or something, I'm probably really seriously considering, you know, is

808
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: there a brand new place I need to be checking out,

809
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: like what's going on here that I don't know about?

810
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: And or do I just need to very quickly start

811
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: checking off other options. So even by you know, let's

812
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: say I hunt those first two days, you know that

813
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: third day I might go and drive around morning number

814
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: three and go scout from the road a couple of spots,

815
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: or if not that, then definitely middle of the day

816
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm out walking other places and figuring out what other

817
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: options do I have. I had this exact scenario last

818
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: year in Idaho, and you know, I thought going into it.

819
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: We had a great game plan, and you know, Day

820
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: one went to one of those spots that I thought

821
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: should be a kill spot and there was crickets. And

822
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: then so day two I pushed in further crickets. I

823
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: think day three I made one really like hard, hard pushing,

824
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: and when that didn't come up, then I was like, okay, well,

825
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: now you know I went through Plan A. My Plan

826
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: B was to push further push through that plan. See

827
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: it was even deeper now, like I've seen everything this

828
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: thing has got to offer, and it's not offering anything

829
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: right now because if it seemed to be hunting pressure

830
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: that was there before me. So yeah, then we just

831
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: started scouting brand new places and just doing a shotgun

832
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: approach and trying to figure out, like where is there

833
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: a concentration of deer that have not been pressured? And

834
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: so I walked a ton of properties we observed scouted

835
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: into hunting locations, and it was just about trying to

836
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: figure anything out. I don't want to waste time in

837
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: a no man's land. So I've gotten to the point

838
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: where I will very quickly burn through things if there's

839
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: not anything that's giving me the warm fuzzies.

840
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 4: Okay, now, Dan, Yeah, I like it, But I have

841
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: a kind of a side question that goes along with it.

842
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: Just popped into my head.

843
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 4: You are you've you've invested a lot of time into

844
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: this public peace. All right, We're coming up on the

845
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: end of your vacation. You saw a buck, right and

846
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 4: we have a scenario now where it's a shooter, it's

847
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 4: a target animal. You've made an adjustment. Maybe you took

848
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: your mobile setup in the dark, you moved it to

849
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 4: where you saw this deer, and and it's all prepped

850
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: ready to go, high confidence level for the morning. You

851
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 4: get to the parking area, you start to walk and

852
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 4: there is another hunter between where you are and where

853
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: you need to go. Are you walking through their setup

854
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: to get to your setup?

855
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: I would think about the impact of that person on

856
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: the deer I'm trying to kill. So if I think

857
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: that that buck will not do the thing I wanted

858
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: him to do because of where this hunter is, that

859
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: might cause me to go on a different location. Like

860
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: if it's if there's one way he could get into

861
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: his bedroom, and now this hunter is right there and

862
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: his wind's going to blow to that deer. I just

863
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: don't see any way this could work out, then I

864
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: will probably just turn around and go somewhere else entirely

865
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: if I don't think that this hunter will mess it up,

866
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: If I think this buck is going to approach from

867
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: some different direction and the wind won't be blown there,

868
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: or if if I'm deep enough in there that it

869
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: won't be impacting it, no matter what, I would continue

870
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: on to where I'm going to hunt. I would try

871
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: to skirt him, like, I would give him as much

872
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: courtesy space as I possibly could so he doesn't feel

873
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: like I'm walking, you know, right through his stuff and

874
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: messing up his hunt. So I'd probably back out a

875
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: little bit so I'm out of site or whatever, and

876
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: then make an end around to get to where I

877
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: want to hunt and hopefully, you know, preserve his mourning,

878
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: but still put myself in a position I don't think

879
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: that having someone there likely would mess up the entire thing.

880
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: And if I feel super confident, it's my last day

881
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: and this is really all I have to work with,

882
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: and it's basically like take a flyer with zero intel,

883
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: or hunt the place I'm really confident in and hope

884
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: that the buck just doesn't come through that fifteen degree window.

885
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: That this other hunter is impacting. I would do that,

886
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: I think, unless like I just know, like, man, he

887
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: absolutely bugger this whole thing up, because like he's sitting

888
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: over the only creek crossing where that buck was likely

889
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: to come through, and his wind's blown right back to

890
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: where I was sitting, where the blind would be, and

891
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: or where the betting area would be, and that kind

892
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: of thing.

893
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, that's a good answer. All right, buddy, thanks,

894
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: I have one more serious one for you, Mark, so

895
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: I need you to breakle up here, all right. I actually,

896
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: technically I have three more serious ones. You're on stand

897
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: October twenty fifth, Big buck state, Illinois, Iowa, somewhere it's

898
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's one of those states, Kansas, and you

899
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: see a stud one hundred and sixty inches just awesome deer.

900
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: He's kind of cruising through, checking stuff, making scrapes whatever.

901
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: But he's You're, like his trajectory, he's not coming in,

902
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: so you got to do something about it. So you

903
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: grun at him, no response, barely picks his head up.

904
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: Then you're like, I gotta I gotta ramp this up.

905
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: Snort wheeze at him, and he stops, looks around doesn't

906
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: look at you, but looks around, and then he turns

907
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: around and sort of does that trot walk away where

908
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: it's kind of I'm spooked, but I'm not, you know,

909
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: full on spook, like you know, halfway he's getting out

910
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: of there. But it's like, all right, what's going on here?

911
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: You're not sure what happened the snortweeze, did it whatever?

912
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: Do you keep hunting that deer in the next couple

913
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: of days, or do you go, you know what, he

914
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 3: spooked just enough where I'm gonna give that area a

915
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: little rest and go somewhere else.

916
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: Interesting scenario. I would still hunt him. I think that

917
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: in a especially like I'm hunting out of state. This

918
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: isn't like my local turf that I know super well.

919
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm likely on a shorter time period. Man. Getting eyes

920
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: on a buck of that, you know, getting eyes on

921
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: a target buck is such a huge piece of data,

922
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: like you can't afford not to take advantage of that.

923
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: So I would definitely still hunt that buck. I would

924
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: not likely hunting from the same tree. I would probably

925
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: make an adjustment based on what I saw, so hopefully

926
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: I learned something about where he's coming from, about where

927
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: he's going. Hopefully I can make some assumptions about what

928
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: he's doing. So hopefully I learned, like, Okay, I bet

929
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: you he's coming from this betting area, and I bet

930
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: you he's going to that food source. And so if

931
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: I was trying to call to him, he must have

932
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: been out of range. Right, So now I'm gonna say,

933
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm just gonna move into range of

934
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: where his path of travel what I think it is,

935
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: and if it's you know, October twenty fifth, he's still

936
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: on his you know, core kind of bed to feed

937
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: tight pattern, but he's now probably just wanting to check

938
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: out some does a little bit more. So I'm gonna

939
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: get right up in there, probably a little bit closer

940
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: to where I think he was betted, and hope to

941
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: intercept him coming out of that betting area. And just

942
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to be far enough away from

943
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: where I was hunting the previous day that I'm not

944
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: going to be worried about him, you know, skirting that

945
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: because if he skirts that area, he will likely stay

946
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: closer to where I am now. And that's that's what

947
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: I would do, right on, all.

948
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 4: Right, So I have two more questions, all right. One

949
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 4: of them is a curveball question. But and it it

950
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: kind of play well, they kind of play into each other,

951
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: but they kind of don't as well. So I'll give

952
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 4: you the serious one.

953
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: First.

954
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 4: You decide to go on an out of state hunt,

955
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 4: let's say out west, and we're talking in the car,

956
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 4: nineteen hours whatever. We're hunting elk, mule deer, some different species.

957
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 4: A lot of time and travel invested into this hunt,

958
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: and dollars, okay, and so. But you're going out there

959
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: with a partner. Your partner is a weak link, all right.

960
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 4: He's slow, he's fat, he's preventing you from getting to

961
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: where you need to go. He's unenthusiastic if he doesn't

962
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 4: take scent seriously, like he's just he's ruining this experience

963
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 4: for you.

964
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: Is this you?

965
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: It could have been? It could be could be.

966
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: How long to do the question?

967
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: How long until you leave his ass at the truck

968
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: and you go make moves on your own.

969
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave him at the truck, but uh,

970
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: but I will, you know, if ever he's like, I

971
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: certainly will not stop for him. So I've had situations

972
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: where I've been on Western hunts with buddies and they're like,

973
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's raining or snowy, or you know,

974
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be very good. I'm just gonna stay

975
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: back at camp. That's like I'm leaving him in camp

976
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: for surely, I'm not gonna let him pull me down

977
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: with him. And then if I'm out like hiking around

978
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: the mountains chasing elk or deer, whatever it is, and

979
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: if there's a situation like you gotta get you gotta

980
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: get up the mountain to get ahead of the elk

981
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: or something, and if the buddy just can't keep up

982
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: and it's day four or five or whatever, you know,

983
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: at some point, I'll probably be like, hey, man, do

984
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: you mind if I just take a swing at this

985
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: guy and I'll meet you back here, you know, in

986
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: a couple hours, and and hopefully that'd be you know,

987
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: the situation. If the guy's like at risk of dying

988
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: or something and like he's like struggling that kind of way,

989
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave someone who I don't think can survive.

990
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: But assuming it's just like good but assuming, but assuming

991
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: like he can handle his own for a little bit,

992
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: I'll just be like, hey, I think it just makes

993
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: more sense was to split up. I'll hunt high, you

994
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: can hunt low, and uh, you know, will make it work.

995
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ruin a friendship over it, but

996
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: I think you can navigate that situation with tact and

997
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: uh and still be able to hunt hard without you know,

998
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: messing up the whole thing.

999
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 3: Good. I really really like how you had to explain

1000
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: that would be the dying friend to maybe a company

1001
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: him with you.

1002
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: I got to make sure him very clear with you too.

1003
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: You're a man of character, Kenyon.

1004
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: I like to set a very low bar for myself,

1005
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: but then really lead into it.

1006
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: There you go. Listen, if he's circling the drain, I'm

1007
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: gonna stick around.

1008
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can saint me.

1009
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: Now, all right, but I'm but I'm sure as ship

1010
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 4: not gonna call a helicopter evac because it will ruin

1011
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 4: the hunt.

1012
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not gonna do that.

1013
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 3: He's still breathing.

1014
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: But but but what I hike with him back to

1015
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: the truck and go to town to pick up a

1016
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: new tent so he can stay dry. Yes, I would

1017
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: do that for.

1018
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 4: Him, yep, and waste the whole afternoon hunt with closing

1019
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: the dryer, putting closing the.

1020
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 1: Dryer made for one of the best stories ever.

1021
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I love it. I'll never forget it me neither.

1022
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: All Right, Dan, you feel good about that? I felt.

1023
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 3: I feel real good about it. All right, Well, I

1024
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: kind of. I kind of have a somewhat of a

1025
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: parallel scenario for you there, all right, Kenya. So Mark

1026
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: Zuckerberg oh wakes up one day and he's pissed for

1027
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: some reason. Maybe it's because of the haircut, maybe it's because

1028
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: he's a little too reptilian. Anyway, grumpy Zuck decides he's

1029
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: sick of people. He's sick of people posting pictures of

1030
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: themselves with fish, and he decides to implement a rule

1031
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: for Instagram and Facebook where all users only get one

1032
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: fish pick per year. How big of a trout does

1033
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: it have to be before you burn up your one chance?

1034
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: Great, great question. I'm gonna save it for a twenty

1035
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: inch plus cutthroat trout.

1036
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: Twenty Yeah.

1037
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: I want a big, pretty cutthroat with a gold and

1038
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: pink sides. And uh, that's that's a fish worth showing off.

1039
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: Only caught three of those in my life.

1040
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I was gonna ask. What I've never

1041
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 3: I'm not real familiar with cuddies, so a twenty is

1042
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: like a real hard to attain length.

1043
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: Yep, twenty would be like the equivalent of at least

1044
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: a boon and crocket, like a boon and crocket, like

1045
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: a net booner. I would say, would be a twenty

1046
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: inch cutthroat, and I would call it a twenty inch

1047
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: cutthroat would be the equivalent to like a two foot

1048
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: brown trout something like that. So I'd never caught one

1049
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: in all my years fishing out west until last year.

1050
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: And last year I kind of went to a shangra

1051
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: last spot and caught two, but prior to that, never

1052
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: even saw one that big. So that'd be a special one.

1053
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: So you wouldn't use that fish picture like if your

1054
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: kid's caught a cool one, you'd be like, no, this

1055
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: is for me.

1056
00:55:54,600 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: Hell Now, I was just gonna ask that same question.

1057
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 4: You a bitch, Mark, You don't even love your kids?

1058
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

1059
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: No?

1060
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: The kids, Dan, This is a guy who left his

1061
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: buddy to die exactly. So yeah, the real Mark Kenyon exposed.

1062
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having a tough time that my wife's pregnant

1063
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: with someone else's child. I have target panic. This has

1064
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: been a very bad year.

1065
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: Hey, Dan, does your wife watch those murder mysteries? Because

1066
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 3: I feel like clips of this are going to end

1067
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: up on a dateline at some point exactly exactly, Yeah,

1068
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: what's that?

1069
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: What's that guy's name? Who does the creepy voice? Where

1070
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 4: is like Psyche gets excited about in Spencer Newhart?

1071
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: That would work?

1072
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: Is a Spence?

1073
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: It could be he'd be perfect.

1074
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: Small town Michigan. Anyway, Uh, Mark, are you ready for

1075
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: a curve ball question?

1076
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.

1077
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

1078
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: Ultimately, it's about late season hunting, all right. So it's

1079
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 4: been a long season. You've been doing a lot of

1080
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: filming with a brand new camera guy who's really ambitious.

1081
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: He's really he really wants to make a mark so

1082
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: he can work for me, eatther Man. He found his

1083
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 4: dream job and he wants to be very successful at it.

1084
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 4: You get back from several weeks of hunting and your

1085
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 4: wife is moving some of your stuff around and she

1086
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 4: finds a small packet of meth amphetamines.

1087
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: And she then she says yeah, she says, hey, I.

1088
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 4: Can't trust you anymore, and she decides to leave you

1089
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 4: and take the children. Well throughout the rest of the season.

1090
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 4: You go through you go through a divorce, okay, and

1091
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 4: you lose you You only get your children like every

1092
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 4: other week, right, So it's every other week they come

1093
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 4: to you, they go to your wife, and so it

1094
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 4: just so happens that they go to your wife on

1095
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 4: a huge cold front coming through Michigan and you have

1096
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 4: a standing bean plot or corn plot and the deer

1097
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 4: are hammering it. How do you approach that scenario while

1098
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 4: your kids are with your wife?

1099
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 3: That's what.

1100
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, it's a lot to process. This would be

1101
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: the worst year ever for sure. So I'm sure I'm

1102
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: in a very very bad place mentally. But I would

1103
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: look at this moment where the kids are away as

1104
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of an opportunity to get some mental

1105
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: R and R I suppose. So, yeah, big cold front

1106
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: coming through, and I, you know, don't have the kids.

1107
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm hunting. If I did have the kids, If I

1108
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: did have the kids and the cold front was coming,

1109
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: I'd still be hunting. Not just kidding.

1110
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: You boys.

1111
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: Wait in the truck. I'll be back in a couple hours.

1112
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 3: No.

1113
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: So okay, So in a situation a big coal front

1114
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: coming in, I mean I think what I'd be doing

1115
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: is hopefully leading into that front. I would like to

1116
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: have some information about what they're doing on that standing

1117
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: bean plot, so I would be if I could watch

1118
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: it from afar, I would definitely be doing that as

1119
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: many nights as I could leading into that front. So

1120
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: late season, I'm just even more picky, like we talked about,

1121
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: So I'm probably hunting the evenings and I want to

1122
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: hunt them, you know, with like a very targeted assassin

1123
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: like approach. So I want to see what these deer

1124
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: are doing. I want to see where the bucks are

1125
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 1: coming into the field, even if it's just younger bucks.

1126
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: I want to know where that's happening. Hopefully some camera

1127
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: and tell tells me like, Okay, yeah, this bedding area

1128
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: or whatever is where the buck you're after is, or

1129
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: some bucks that you might be interested in shooting are at.

1130
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: And then I'm waiting for that front to hit. I'll

1131
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: hunt that evening before the front. Let's say this is

1132
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: late December. I'll be hunting hopefully the evening before and

1133
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: then the couple evenings afterwards, and hopefully I don't need

1134
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: to do a whole bunch of hunts because you know,

1135
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: it's a kind of situation where you've got a hunt

1136
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: or two before they might catch on to you hunting

1137
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: that kind of situation, and I would be hunting in

1138
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: between that bedding area heading to that beanfield. You know,

1139
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: hopefully from what I saw, I've got a good idea

1140
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: of where I need to start and hunt, you know,

1141
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: a well planned hanging hunt set. And if I don't

1142
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: have my location right that first night, I'll you know,

1143
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: make an adjustment for the second night. Hopefully I've got

1144
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: a situation. I don't know what property this is, but

1145
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: you have to have some kind of good exit plan

1146
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: with that kind of situation. You know, beanfield in December,

1147
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: there's going to be a bunch of deer on there

1148
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: with a cold front. So if I have to walk

1149
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,959
Speaker 1: out through that beanfield, well then you know it's game

1150
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 1: over probably if you're trying to kill an older deer.

1151
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: So I would either you know, hopefully have a buddy

1152
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: or somebody who would come drive out there, or maybe

1153
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: there's like a ditch or a creek or something that

1154
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: I can sneak away out the backside to and use

1155
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: that to exit. If there's nothing like that, I'll just

1156
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: hunt further and further away from the food and try

1157
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: to make sure that I'll give myself an opportunity to hunt,

1158
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, more than just one night without the whole

1159
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: thing blown up in my face. You know, that would

1160
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: be of course, wind direction is going to dictate where

1161
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: I would hunt, but let's hope that this sets up

1162
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: well for a north or northwest wind, which will probably

1163
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: come with that cold front. And yeah, I mean that

1164
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: first really cold, wicked day will be you know, a

1165
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: great chance for that whatever bucks in the area to

1166
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: come out hit the food, and I just need to

1167
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: be set up in the right place to get a shot.

1168
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: Would not push super close to the betting area in

1169
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: that situation, so hopefully I can hunt low impact for

1170
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: that evening set up. Those late season hunts are really

1171
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,439
Speaker 1: hard to move around quietly to not be seen without

1172
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: spooking deer, and if you spook a couple dos, you know,

1173
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: there's oftentimes that ripple effect where they'll spook back and

1174
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: then that'll you know, make everything come out later in

1175
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: the evening. So I would not ideally like to have

1176
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: to push really deep in there. I would hope for

1177
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: good access or a friend to help me out so

1178
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: I could hunt pretty close to the food and not

1179
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: need to risk spooking things as I go into set up.

1180
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: So perfect situation would be like maybe there's a little

1181
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: creek or something that runs along the north edge of

1182
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: this beanfield, let's say, and they're betting north of that,

1183
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: I would hopefully have watched a couple times from afar

1184
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: or I know the area, or pictures or something has

1185
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: told me, you know, they come through this corner or whatever.

1186
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: But maybe there's also like a creek cross in, like

1187
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: a favorite creek crossing something like that that helps me

1188
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: narrow down where to set up along the edge of

1189
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: the inside of that food source, that transition area, so

1190
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: that I'm not just blindly picking somewhere on the field,

1191
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: but I'm situating myself in a place that I know

1192
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: there's a high chance that deer will funnel through this

1193
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 1: as they enter the food source. And ideally we'll set

1194
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: up with that wind. Let's say it's a northwest wind,

1195
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: hopefully cutting off to the side of the field, so

1196
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: that I can hunt these deer coming out to the

1197
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: north in the west of me while my wind, my

1198
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: wind blows to the south and the east of me.

1199
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: And I've got that creek crossing upwind of me, So

1200
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: that's going to hopefully funnel you know, concentrate a little

1201
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: bit more of that activity within bow range, and you know,

1202
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: hopefully there's a couple of trails or my observation showed

1203
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: me that too. So those types of things make me

1204
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: feel really good going into that hunt.

1205
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 4: Okay, I want to ask a spinoff question of that,

1206
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 4: and that is throughout the course of a year, early season,

1207
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: mid season, you can you can break it really down

1208
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 4: however you want. October, November, December, pre pre rep post

1209
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 4: rut however you know, however you want to do it.

1210
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 4: What is your definition of a cold front and how

1211
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 4: much or how big of a cold front does it

1212
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 4: need to be for you to get excited enough to hunt.

1213
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: So usually ten degrees or more is like that threshold

1214
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: that I look at as something I'm like particularly excited about.

1215
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: If there's a front that comes through with precipitation and

1216
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: a bear metric pressure change but not a huge temperature,

1217
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: let's say like eight degrees or seven degrees, but a

1218
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: rainstorm came through. Now it's seven degrees cooler, and now

1219
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: it's high pressure on the backside. Like I would still

1220
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: be excited about that, even though it's less than ten,

1221
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: but usually that ten degrees are more from the daytime highs.

1222
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: Would be something that like, I'm looking for on the

1223
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: weather forecast and will have me interested regardless of the

1224
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: time of year.

1225
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 3: So, Dan, if that was a curveball, I don't even

1226
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 3: know what you call this one. Oh geez, this is

1227
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 3: this is the last one I got for you. Mark,

1228
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,959
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to get you, gotta use your imagination here,

1229
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna I'm gonna take you around a little

1230
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 3: bit and I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it home, buddy.

1231
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 3: So you ready, all right? Picture this. You're standing in

1232
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 3: a very specific spot. Shotgun in your hand. Okay, it

1233
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 3: contains just one slug. You've got one shot. Okay. You

1234
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 3: look to your left and you see your favorite little

1235
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 3: botique bookstore in Bozeman, just teeming with flat brim hipsters.

1236
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 3: You know, your people covered in them, just got a

1237
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 3: new ship into awesome books about you know, how to

1238
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 3: be a better person, some bullshit like that. Yeah, I'm okay.

1239
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 3: So so you see that and you're like, oh man,

1240
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 3: And then you look to your right and it is

1241
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 3: just this field, this beautiful field full of pollinators. I

1242
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 3: mean the density of pollinators in there. You've never seen it.

1243
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: You're like your wildest dreams.

1244
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: Oh man.

1245
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 3: Then two dudes walk on the scene and they both

1246
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 3: have lit Molotov cocktails in their hands. One's gonna chuck

1247
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: it right through the window of that bookstore, burn the

1248
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 3: whole place down. The people are gonna live. It's gonna

1249
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 3: burn the bookstore down. The other guy's gonna chuck it

1250
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: right into that field and burn up all those pollinators.

1251
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 3: Who do you shoot? Who do you spare? You got

1252
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 3: one shot, buddy?

1253
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 4: Wow?

1254
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Easy decision, easy decision. I'm shooting the guys

1255
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: that are going to torch the bookshop because that stuff's

1256
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: much harder to replace. That's gonna cost a lot of money.

1257
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: There's life's impacted, and it's going to ruin the day

1258
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: for all those flat brim wearing great people. They probably

1259
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: like to fish too, and I don't want anything to

1260
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: happen to my fishing brothers and sisters on the flip side.

1261
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 3: But if you take them out, though, you have more

1262
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 3: room on the stream to yourself.

1263
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: Well, you said that none of them die, so they're

1264
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: all going to be a fishing.

1265
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 3: No matter what, they're gonna get slightly injured and miss

1266
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: just the best fishing part of the season.

1267
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: Regardless. Regardless of that, I'm gonna burn the pollinators because

1268
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: that'll probably end up being better for that field anyways.

1269
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: To give it a good burn, to reset it. It's

1270
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: going to add nutrients to the soil. Everything will regrow,

1271
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: but maybe even better for the next season. So it's

1272
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: a long term play, but it will preserve the integrity

1273
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: of our bookstore and our reading public while also putting

1274
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: things in a better place for the pollinators in years

1275
01:07:54,200 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: to come. Good enough, well done, gentlemen, you guys, any

1276
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: more for you? Dan?

1277
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 4: I mean I could sit here all day long and

1278
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 4: do this all right, but I feel like I want

1279
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 4: to get into the rapid.

1280
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 3: Fire questions the there you go? Where we just go?

1281
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: Where we go, unless unless you want me to ask more.

1282
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:19,440
Speaker 3: It's up to you.

1283
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: No, I feel good. I mean, if you guys think

1284
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: I made it through the gauntlet, if you guys are

1285
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: satisfied with my performance here, then yes, I'm ready for

1286
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: the rapid fire.

1287
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 3: Got Tony, how are you guys?

1288
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: How are you guys handling this?

1289
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Speaker 3: I don't know know, I was just told that we

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Speaker 3: were going to skip it, but uh, I was kind

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 3: of hoping you just gloss right over it and we

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Speaker 3: go on to something else. But we could do it.

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Speaker 3: I'll take one, you take the other one. Dan, we'll

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Speaker 3: go back and fill with you.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's do it. Let's do it as quick as possible.

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Speaker 4: I want what I'm really hoping for here. And this

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Speaker 4: is kind of a note to whoever's this. I would

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Speaker 4: really like us to focus on answers that might get

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Speaker 4: him in trouble or be really controversial, so then they

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01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 4: have clips to throw which would actually question like people

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01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 4: would start to question his integrity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna go well, all.

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 3: Right, well, why don't you start it off? Dan here?

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I'm just going to start out easy, okay,

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 4: all right, Tony?

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 3: Are you ready? I am all right?

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 4: Rapid fire starting now? Typical or non typical white tails?

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Speaker 1: Non typical?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Tony. So I have to confess I didn't come

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Speaker 3: up with anything for this.

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Speaker 1: Geez, Tony, what a darrel?

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Speaker 3: And part of it, I'm not going to explain that anyway.

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Speaker 4: Dan.

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Speaker 3: You can just handle this part.

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01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: Dan's the responsible one in the group.

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Speaker 4: Doubt it okay. Okay, mechanicals are fixed blade all season long.

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Speaker 4: You have to you can only have one mechanical or.

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Speaker 1: Fixed blade mechanical okay, pre Rut or post rap pre

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01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: rup pre Rut.

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Speaker 4: Alaska or Montana, Alaska, Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Lord of the Rings?

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01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that's that because if you said Harry Potter,

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Speaker 4: I was going to just unleash on you and call

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Speaker 4: you a nerd.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I watch did you see the look in

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01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 3: his eyes?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 3: I think he wanted to answer Harry.

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Speaker 4: I know he did. I think the truth out of him.

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Speaker 3: H Yeah. I think I think he I think he's like,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna play those cool because I know everybody wants

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01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings. But in his I think in

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Speaker 3: his heart he was like Harry Potter.

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Speaker 1: I I I enjoyed Harry Potter, but but no Lord

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Speaker 1: of the Rings, man that takes the kick.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: You've been to a lot of national park's favorite National

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Speaker 4: park to go visit?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm grand tee ton all right, all right, bucket

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Speaker 1: list animals that you have not already shot, give me

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Speaker 1: five five uh moose yep yep. Okay uh moose, pronghorn

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Speaker 1: sheep killed, big horn sheep someday, black bear, and heck,

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Speaker 1: a mountain go would be awesome. I don't see it

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Speaker 1: in my future, but i'd be sweet.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Do you do you see a big horn seep

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Speaker 3: in your future? No?

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Speaker 4: Not.

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Speaker 1: I don't see a big horn sheep in my future either.

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Speaker 1: I think I think, yeah, I think a black bears possible,

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Speaker 1: prong horns possible in a moose. You know, if if

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Speaker 1: really I get lucky and my dreams come true, a

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01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: moose is maybe in the in the running someday, but

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Speaker 1: the other two probably not.

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Speaker 4: Okay, favorite favorite favorites out of state hunt archery season?

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Speaker 4: What's your favorite state to hunt.

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Speaker 3: Out of state?

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Speaker 1: I'll just say I like the Great Plains, any one

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Speaker 1: of the Great Plains states. I really enjoyed that area.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I mean from here on out it just gets

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Speaker 4: real vulgar. So I didn't know, are we done with

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Speaker 4: the rapid questions or do you just want me keep going?

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Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe maybe we should be done with the rapid

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Speaker 1: fire questions now?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Oh here, one one more, one more, one more? Do

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Speaker 4: you bring an extra bow on your out of state hunts?

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Speaker 4: In case your regular bow gets damaged.

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Speaker 1: Uh. No, I have done it a few times. A

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Speaker 1: few times have done it, but usually don't.

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Speaker 3: Do you Do you know why you don't? Mark?

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Speaker 1: Do you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you know why you don't?

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: Why is that tony?

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 3: Because you've never needed one yet?

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Speaker 1: True?

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 3: True? If you get out there and you need one.

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Speaker 3: I mean part of it so, and I'm being totally

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: honest here, or serious, part of it is you have

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Speaker 3: extra everything. If you have an extra bow, you know,

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01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 3: and if you're out spotting and stocking or something and

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01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 3: you break like a quiver connection, you're like, oh that,

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 3: you don't think that's that big of a deal, but

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Speaker 3: it is. And so having a bat not only if

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 3: your bow something happens, you get tossed off a horse

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Speaker 3: or whatever, but you just have all those parts and

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 3: everything to work with. It's it's not a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, I certainly is a good idea if

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01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: you can swing it space wise. Well do I survive?

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: Did I make it? Do we do it?

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Speaker 3: I think so? I think so?

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01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: Well you guys, You guys exceeded my expectations when it

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01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: came to creativity and curveball. So well done, gentlemen, and

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01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed that, So thank you.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait till next time.

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01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time you're gonna be the you know, you're

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01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna be the guest next time, and I'm gonna come

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: at you with the same level of malice that you

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: brought to the table here today. So I realized I

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: was maybe not malice, but you really you really spent

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: a lot of time imagining horrible situations for my life,

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01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: and and for that I owe you.

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: Those are just those are just called educated guesses. Mark,

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: right right, I have a question the odds. I don't

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01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: want to end quite yet.

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01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 4: I want to ask you, out of all the guests

1406
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 4: that you've had on this show, and obviously you can't

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01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 4: answer me or Tony as as answers, but out of

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01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 4: out of all the guests that you've had on this show,

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01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 4: that you who are some of the people that you

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 4: respect the most?

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I think there's maybe you put him

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01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: on a pedestal. Yeah, So like there's a lot that

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01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: I really enjoy. They've all been great, but I guess

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: you know one guy who I just always always enjoy

1415
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:46,480
Speaker 1: talking to and is always like a standout is Mark Dury.

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01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I really appreciate his analytical approach and

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: thought process, so like whenever we talk, we're like speaking

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01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: the same language when it comes like nerding out on

1419
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: some of the details and stuff. So I always appreciate that,

1420
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: and I just think he's like one of the very

1421
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: very best communicators about this stuff. So even though like

1422
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: the way I hunt is not very much like the

1423
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: way he hunts, even though his situation is very different

1424
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: than mine and then different than a lot of ours, right,

1425
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: I still feel like he's always got something useful to share.

1426
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: I feel like there's things I've learned from him that

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01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 1: can even be applied to public land hunts and things

1428
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: like that, just because he's a very good communicator and

1429
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: he understands deer and you just have to adjust his

1430
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: suggestions based on the level of pressure that your dear

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01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: hair have or what the you know, scenario is that

1432
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 1: you hunting. But he's just a guy like I really

1433
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: enjoy talking with and geeking out on that stuff with.

1434
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: So he's one who comes to mind right out the gate. Yeah,

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01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: that'll be my first just the first thing that came

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01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: to mind to be Mark.

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01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: I feel like you were angling for a job there

1438
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 3: a little bit.

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01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope I'm not. I hope I'm not

1440
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: in need for that.

1441
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: And uh, you know another Andy, like we all we

1443
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: love Andy May He's another one of those guys who

1444
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: he's an og. He's very, very very knowledgeable, another really

1445
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: good communicator and definitely someone I look at as one

1446
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: of the best deer hunters I know, while also not

1447
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: being a jerk and being like a humble, good guy

1448
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: to talk to. So, you know, if if Mark is

1449
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: like your private land managed guy, and I was, if

1450
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: I was going to pick someone who's more like the

1451
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: di y or public, maybe Andy would be the guy

1452
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: on the other side that I would put up in

1453
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,520
Speaker 1: my top two at least first first thoughts.

1454
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good answer.

1455
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 4: Do you feel that we could use the Wired to

1456
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 4: Hunt platform to ask the same exact questions that we

1457
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 4: asked you today to those guys? Uh?

1458
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: No, okay, I think uh, I.

1459
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 4: Just wanted I was curious, you know, brainstorman I had

1460
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 4: an idea.

1461
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: You're an idea guy, and I appreciated.

1462
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm the wildcard. The wildcard.

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01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: You are the wildcard. That's it. That's just makes you wonderful. Well,

1464
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: if nothing else. I think people laugh today, which is

1465
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: the best medicine we could ever ask for. So good

1466
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: stuff on that front. Real quick, Do you guys have

1467
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: a few more minutes to talk through our goals and plans?

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01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 3: Yep?

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01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, Do you want to lead us off

1470
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: with a quick rundown of what your hunt plans are

1471
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: this year and your goals maybe hopes, however you want

1472
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: to frame it?

1473
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: Yep, okay, real quick.

1474
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 4: Just got finally just got trail cameras up last two

1475
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 4: weeks and my number one target buck on my main

1476
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 4: farm showed back up.

1477
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 3: So he is alive.

1478
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 4: He's not showing up on camera a regularly regularly, but

1479
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 4: he's alive, and based off of historic knowledge, I know

1480
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 4: the the route that he's running, and so I'm feeling

1481
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 4: really good about attacking him come that prerect timeframe.

1482
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 3: And so.

1483
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 4: New farm that's been really active with they've been mowing

1484
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 4: and bailing hay right now, so I'm getting a lot

1485
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 4: of that on trail cameras. But once they get that

1486
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 4: Hey out of there, I feel like the cameras are

1487
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 4: going to start opening up and I'm going to get

1488
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 4: a good idea of what's running around on the main farm.

1489
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 4: Last year, there were some absolute studs on that farm.

1490
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward to seeing that. I have an

1491
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 4: out of state hunt to South Dakota where I'm going

1492
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 4: to go all in on mule deer until I don't

1493
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 4: go all in on mule deer and I find myself

1494
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 4: hunting white beast. So I got that's planned for mid

1495
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 4: to late October as well, and then depending on if

1496
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 4: and when I take out in Iowa, I might be

1497
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 4: hopping up to some public in Wiscon in Minnesota or

1498
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 4: potentially Oklahoma, depending on if and when nice.

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01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: So, other than killing your target buck, is there any

1500
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: like top goal or two within that? Or are you

1501
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: not really focusing on the target buck? You watch shoot

1502
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: any four year old? What's your what are you chasing

1503
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: specifically this year?

1504
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1505
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 4: So you know it's mature, right, it's whatever the top

1506
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 4: tier buck in on the on said farms are right,

1507
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 4: And so I don't get too terribly fired up on

1508
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 4: velvet pictures because we all know the velvet comes off,

1509
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 4: there's redistribution of deer and sometimes they stick around, sometimes

1510
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 4: they don't, or sometimes they disappear and then come back

1511
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 4: in that late October timeframe and so I don't. I

1512
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,520
Speaker 4: like to I like to know that certain deer exists

1513
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 4: and are in the area. But from a strategy standpoint,

1514
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 4: these pictures don't mean too much right now, and so

1515
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 4: I will when I do my card pull, like at

1516
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 4: the end of October, I'll get a better idea of

1517
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 4: what deer running through the area, and then I'll make

1518
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 4: a strategy at that point.

1519
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: Sweet, what about you, Tony oh Man.

1520
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 3: I have a lot of goals this year. First and foremost,

1521
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 3: my daughter drew a bear tag in Wisconsin. So I'm

1522
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 3: driving over there baiting bears, and I have some absolute

1523
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 3: toads coming in. I have a bear tag too, but

1524
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 3: I don't care. I'll hunt them some. But I want

1525
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 3: to get her a bear. And I was kind of

1526
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 3: before I started bating, I was like, whatever, whatever, legal

1527
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: bear is great. But I've got a couple bears coming

1528
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 3: in that are like four hundred ish four hundred plus

1529
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: maybe live weight, And so now I'm kind of like, man,

1530
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 3: do we really put in some time to try to

1531
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 3: get her a big, big bear? So I'm working on that.

1532
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 3: I want to get the girls both Bucks. They've never

1533
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: gotten Bucks in the same year, and so I'm working

1534
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 3: on that too, and I have a couple of deer

1535
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 3: that are they I think they're going to stick to

1536
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 3: what they're doing for that opener in Wisconsin over there.

1537
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 3: And then I last time you and I talked, Mark,

1538
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 3: you were talking about a new spot you had, and

1539
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 3: I told you that I had. You know, I flew

1540
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 3: really close to the sun and I thought I was

1541
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 3: losing this this property by my house. Well I got

1542
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 3: on that place. The guy called me up. He's like,

1543
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 3: we're gonna hang some stands. What are we doing? And

1544
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 3: so I've got that place set up and a couple

1545
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 3: of cameras in there, and I don't want to curse

1546
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 3: it yet, but it is the pictures I'm getting. Just

1547
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 3: the amount of deer in there is so awesome. And

1548
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: I haven't got any big, big deer in there, but

1549
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 3: there's a couple that are like one thirty to one

1550
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 3: fifty class that are They're not real consistent yet, but

1551
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 3: I think they will be a little bit later. So

1552
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 3: it's like it's one of those things that almost never

1553
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: ever happens to you, you know, especially where I live,

1554
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 3: where it's like you Now you get a place to

1555
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 3: hunt that's seven eight minutes from your house and it

1556
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 3: has quality and quantity, and so I'm I'm working on

1557
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 3: that and just trying to figure out what I'm gonna

1558
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 3: do with my Minnesota tag there, because that is I'm

1559
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 3: so excited to hunt a new spot that I don't

1560
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 3: have to drive two hours to go get to, you know,

1561
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 3: and then you know, I've got a Oklahoma hunt, in

1562
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 3: a North Dakota and something else, I think, but all

1563
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: white tails just just I just want to spend my

1564
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 3: time this season with the girls doing cool stuff and

1565
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,839
Speaker 3: then hunt some new places and hunt some places.

1566
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,839
Speaker 1: I want to what's the deal with that new property?

1567
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: Is that sounds like the landowner is a hunter too?

1568
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: Is he? Are you guys both hunting it? Or is he?

1569
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: What's the deal?

1570
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 3: So this is a guy, a very typical kind of

1571
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 3: Upper Midwestern dude who's rifle hunted. You know, they have

1572
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:56,480
Speaker 3: the family cabin, the deer shack, the whole thing. He's

1573
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 3: he started bow hunting very recently, I think in the

1574
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 3: life last couple of years, never killed a deer with

1575
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: the bow. I honestly don't know for sure if he's

1576
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 3: killed one with a rifle. And so he's real green,

1577
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 3: and so I should have said this, like, part of

1578
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: my goal is to get that dude his first deer,

1579
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 3: and you know, he'll get his chances. I think he

1580
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 3: shot at one buck with a bow one time walking

1581
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 3: around a couple of years ago. But he's just he's

1582
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 3: going out there with me, hanging stands like he's he's

1583
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 3: not really familiar with our process at all, you know, lifelines,

1584
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 3: the whole thing, cameras, putting up blinds, brushing them in.

1585
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 3: So that's actually been pretty fun because he's just like

1586
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 3: a sponge. He's like he's there to learn the only

1587
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 3: thing that worries me about it. And you know how

1588
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,839
Speaker 3: this goes, right, You get permission, you do all this work,

1589
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 3: and then you start getting pictures of big bucks, and

1590
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 3: I'm just I don't want him to be like, I

1591
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 3: don't think I want this dude in here hunting these

1592
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 3: big bucks. You know, they're on my land, right, You're like,

1593
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: it's the one danger, but I don't. I don't think

1594
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. But it really you know the last

1595
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 3: time we talked about this, I was like I'd kind

1596
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 3: of resigned myself that this was gone. I'm not this

1597
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 3: this spot's and no go and now you know, I'm

1598
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 3: I'm set up in there, and the amount of deer

1599
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 3: and I'll say this too, the thing I'm learning in there,

1600
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 3: and I don't I don't really know what's going on.

1601
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 3: But when I walked through there with him, I found

1602
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 3: an apple tree that he didn't know was there. And

1603
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, whatever this apple tree is doing, if

1604
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 3: you could bottle that up and sell it to other hunters,

1605
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 3: it is unreal. And there's there's wild plums, there's acorns dropping,

1606
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 3: there's other apple trees. It's not like there's an absence

1607
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 3: of soft and hard masks or destination food in the area.

1608
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 3: But I put a camera up on that tree just

1609
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 3: to see the amount of deer, turkeys, raccoons, gray fox, coyotes,

1610
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,879
Speaker 3: like everything comes in there and checks for those apples,

1611
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 3: and it's all day long, like it's you know, we've

1612
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 3: had this weather lately where it's like, you know, ninety

1613
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 3: seven degrees and one hundred percent humidity, and you're like,

1614
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 3: there's nothing, nothing should be moving. And I'm getting pictures

1615
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 3: of bucks at like one in the afternoon. They must

1616
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 3: just get up out of their bed and they're like,

1617
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go see if any apples fell and these

1618
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 3: are good deer and you know, doze and scrapper bucks

1619
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it's like, I don't. It's just opening

1620
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 3: my eyes to that reality. They're like, man, if there's

1621
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 3: a food source like that, a very specific thing that

1622
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 3: they are into, they're checking it because there's just competition there.

1623
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 3: So they're checking it all day long. It's so cool.

1624
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: So opening day setup, I think that's the spot.

1625
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 3: Well, I can't. So this is how you know, Okay,

1626
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 3: this is dumb thing to complain about. I have to

1627
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 3: film in southeastern Minnesota for the first four days of

1628
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 3: the season, so I have I have other stuff set

1629
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 3: up down there. There's some pretty good bucks down there.

1630
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 3: Then I have to go pick up my daughter and

1631
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 3: we're filming the first five days of the bear season.

1632
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 3: Then I come home for a day and I gotta

1633
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 3: fly to Bozeman now in the end of September, and

1634
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 3: so for the first essentially fifteen days of the season,

1635
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 3: I can't hunt this new place. But the owner. I

1636
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 3: talked to the landowner. I was like, you, dude, you

1637
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 3: need to get out there, and he's like, I'm gonna

1638
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 3: wait for you because he doesn't he's never butchered one

1639
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 3: on his own, like he's not real confident in the process.

1640
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 3: So I was like, well, if you want to wait

1641
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 3: for me to get there, not going ahead of time,

1642
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 3: that's great. So no, it'll be probably in October, right

1643
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: around the beginning of October when I get to hunt

1644
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 3: there for the first time.

1645
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: Man, you just got to make sure this guy never

1646
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: discovers the Wired to Hunt podcast, because if he realizes

1647
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: that he can get all the learning he needs from you,

1648
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: but doesn't need you hunting the property with it, he

1649
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: can just listen to on the podcast, you're screwed.

1650
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,799
Speaker 3: I'm I don't get the impression this guy is gonna

1651
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 3: be subscribing to Wired a hundred times soon.

1652
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 1: Let's just get it that way, man, that sounds good.

1653
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: So on my side, I take off for a Wisconsin

1654
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: and Minnesota fishing hunting trip combo in mid September, so

1655
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: that one would be like any deer would be a

1656
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: good deer, So that'll be kind of fun. And then

1657
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 1: when October hits be targeting the local Michigan spots. I've got,

1658
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: you know, as we talked about a few weeks ago, Tony,

1659
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I've got a new property. I've picked up access to

1660
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: that I'm pretty excited about. I have went out and

1661
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: did all the scouting we talked about. I've got a

1662
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: bunch of cameras out there, and there's a lot of deer.

1663
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: There's bucks. There's not the age class buck that I

1664
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: thought there was going to be. There's like a lot

1665
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: of two year olds and three year olds and maybe

1666
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: there's been like two bucks that maybe or four, So

1667
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 1: we'll see. You know, stuff's obviously gonna change once September hits.

1668
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: So I've i've I'm hoping kind of my feel on

1669
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: the properties that really sets up more for a fall

1670
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: range this year. In particular, there's beans and open canopy

1671
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 1: woods and stuff on a lot of the neighboring property,

1672
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: but the property itself that I can hunt is corn

1673
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: and like thicker than thick stuff. So that's the kind

1674
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: of thing that they're not necessarily going to be in

1675
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: super heavy in the summer, but I'm sure in the

1676
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: fall they will be. So I'm counting on hopefully something

1677
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: moving in that I'll be really excited about. But either way,

1678
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I think we'll have some fun. And as far as

1679
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 1: goals in Michigan, I do have like a number one

1680
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: target buck on my main farm, which is the buck

1681
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: I call the wide nine. And this is a deer

1682
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: that has been around the longest of any deer I've

1683
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: ever followed. This would be the fourth year that I've

1684
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: been able to see him because as a two year

1685
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: old he stood out because he was a really wide

1686
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: nine pointer as a two year old, and then he's

1687
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: just basically been the same thing, but a little bit

1688
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: bigger every single year. So he's five and a half

1689
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: year this year and the only five and a half

1690
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: year old I know of in that area, so he'll

1691
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: be number one. There's a second buck that my son

1692
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: named Bulldozer. He's a pretty cool nine pointer as well.

1693
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: They're both decent. He's a four year old. So there'll

1694
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: be something in southern Michigan between that and the new farm.

1695
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: And then a big thing is up in our Northern

1696
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: Michigan deer camp. We've got a bunch of work we've

1697
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: been doing up there. We've never had that set up

1698
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: as well as it is now, and I've got a

1699
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: five day trip planned up there in October with my

1700
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: dad where the goal is just to help him kill

1701
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: a deer up there. So that's something I'm very excited

1702
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: about because I'll have a good excuse to be able

1703
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: to spend extra time up there, and it's work and

1704
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: can spend some time with my dad, And so we

1705
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: put in We had some help come in the spring

1706
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: and we carved in like a little microfood plot in

1707
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: our big mature woods, and then two other like betting

1708
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: pockets in there, and then we expanded the one little

1709
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: eighth acre food plot we had into like an acre.

1710
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: So last week we went in there and we set

1711
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: up four blinds in spots for my day for different

1712
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 1: wind directions and stuff. We planted, fertilized and lined to

1713
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: the food plots, got four scrape trees up, four sets

1714
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: of trial cameras, and then when all that was done,

1715
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: I was feeling great. We found out that one of

1716
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: our neighbors, who was a non hunter, planted like an

1717
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: acre and a half of corn on the edge of

1718
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: our property that he just put up there because he

1719
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: wants the deer to have something to eat and there's

1720
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 1: not agg in the area. So it was already gonna

1721
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: be a huge deal for us to have an acre

1722
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: food plot in the middle of this big swampy woods country.

1723
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: And now there's that back in the cover, and then

1724
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: an acre of corn just on the other side, so

1725
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: we all of a sudden like went from zero high

1726
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: quality food to now a ton of it relative to

1727
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: the area. So I'm I'm like over the moon excited

1728
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: about what happens up there, both for my dad, but

1729
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: then in gun season when I go back, you know,

1730
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: i'd certainly shoot something if I could get a half

1731
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: decent buck up there too. So goals are, hopefully kill

1732
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: the wide nine or mature buck down in one of

1733
01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: the southern places. Hopefully get my dad a deer up camp.

1734
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm going back to Nebraska for a week in November,

1735
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: so I would love to kill a better buck even there.

1736
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a little bit more picky in Nebraska

1737
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: this year, just because I want to spend more time there.

1738
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Like I killed the deer the first day last year,

1739
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 1: and it's so much fun that I just want to

1740
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 1: be there longer. So excited about that one. And then

1741
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: I want a one hundred in control shot this year,

1742
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: like I've I think both of you know. Last year,

1743
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, again, I was redeveloping my shooting process and

1744
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 1: just trying to get better, more in control and stuff

1745
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: and last year, I did better, but I'd say like

1746
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 1: all my shots, like the best I ever did was

1747
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: like maybe like a B or B plus on you know,

1748
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 1: going through my entire process, not skipping any steps, not

1749
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: rushing at all, I did better, but I still know,

1750
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: like the very final thing, it was still like, you know,

1751
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: muscle memory taken over a little bit. I want to

1752
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 1: have one shot at least where it's like, man, that

1753
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: was perfect. I want a perfect shot this year, so

1754
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: I'm working towards that. And and then I just want

1755
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: to keep the fun that I had last year, like

1756
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: continue to just focus on enjoying it, continue to stop

1757
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: worrying about all the outside noise, and just like keep

1758
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 1: the good vibes going, which a lot of that too,

1759
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: is like spending more time with friends and family during

1760
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: hunting season, which I'm gonna try to do this year.

1761
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's my plan. So it'll be September when

1762
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: this one goes out, or at least the last day

1763
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: of bat August. So basically the fall begins now and

1764
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:32,719
Speaker 1: we're off to the races. So best of luck, gentlemen, Best.

1765
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 3: Of luck, same to you guys, you too, buddy, hey.

1766
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: And thank you, thank you, both for doing this. This

1767
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: is fun. It's a good excuse to laugh a lot,

1768
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: catch up a little, and embarrass me. So thank you.

1769
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 3: Mission complete, Yeah, buddy, mission.

1770
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 1: Complete, and that is a wrap. Thank you all for

1771
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: joining us for this one. It was different. I guess

1772
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: you could say to say the least Tony and Dan

1773
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: and really gave. I don't know through miss some curveballs.

1774
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,759
Speaker 1: Took this in a different direction than I was planning.

1775
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 1: But you never know what's gonna happen with those two.

1776
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Hopefully you still learn a few things there in between

1777
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: them insulting my pride, my marriage, and who knows what else.

1778
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: But try to be a good sport, try to have

1779
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: a good time, and that we did so thanks for

1780
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: being a part of it. Appreciate you being a part

1781
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: of this community. Hunting season is here or just about

1782
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 1: for some of you in certain states, so if you

1783
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: are hitting those early season dates with the bow, I'm

1784
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 1: wishing you the best of luck, have fun out there,

1785
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 1: keep your priorities straight, enjoy yourself, be safe, and until

1786
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to hunt.