1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: We welcome you in to the Cross Country Mortgage Campus 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: in Boreal alongside Andrew Gribble and Jason Gibbs. Welcome to 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: another installment of the best podcast available. Coming up today 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: on the program, Bruce Feldman joins the program National College 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: Insider for the Athletic You can also watch him on 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: Fox UH and their college football coverage. UH. He's got 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: a new mock draft out. We did this with him 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: last year. Gribbs. Obviously a little bit different from a 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: circumstance standpoint, and based on the UH, based on what 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: we have in the first round, what we don't have 11 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: in the first round, and should be a good one. 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: Bruce's mock always a unique one in the fact that 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: he gets all of his intel from the coaches that 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: played against the kids that we're gonna be getting on 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: draft night. Yeah, and it's interesting. I think we had 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: to go into the interview letting Bruce know that he 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: had to do a little bit more homework for our 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: questions because I don't have a first round pick, so 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: we're gonna be asking about some some guys that you 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: did not including your in your first round mock. But yeah, 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: it's it's always great insight and intel, and there's no 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: one a few people as sourced as Bruce Felman is, 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: and I think that that's what shows in his insight 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: and his coverage, and I think it's why you know, 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: you've got the traditional people who do mock drafts and 26 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: do a bunch of them, but Bruce usually does one 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: or two and they come in with a different angle 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: that you don't usually get. Yeah, we are just a 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: couple of weeks out from the NFL Draft, or a 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: reminder of the Browns do not have a pick on 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Thursday night. However, rounds two and three, they will have 32 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: one pick on in the second round on Friday night 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: and two picks in the third round, So Friday night 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: will be a busy night and that will really lead 35 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: of course into Saturday and rounds four or five, six, 36 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: and seven. The Browns with a pick in every one 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: of those, multiple picks in the seventh, no pick in 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: the fifth round, so we have seven picks total as 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: of now. That's always subject to change, as we've noticed 40 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: here in the last couple of weeks. Latest news from 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Bria and the Cross Country Mortgage campus the Browns bringing 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: back one of their own, Ronnie Harrison signing a contract 43 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: to remain a Cleveland Brown for the season, and Gribbs again. 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: It continues to just fortify the back end of that 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: defense and more and more you just look ahead to 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: draft and that next wave of free agency to shore 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: up that defensive line. Yeah, and I think it was 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: a safety was an interesting position because you felt good 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: about the top two guys in John Johnson and Grant Delpit, 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: and then you had the development of Richard LeCount hopefully 51 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: coming here moving forward. But losing m J. Stewart and 52 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: free agency was I thought a pretty significant loss, and 53 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: especially with what he gave you at the end of 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: the season. So it is good to shore it up 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: back with Ronnie, who went healthy, was a starting safety 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: on this team. And I think that really his his 57 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: season kind of unraveled at the end last year. Were 58 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: just the injuries and then I think Covid popped in 59 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: at some point and it just all of a sudden, 60 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: he was out for basically the last six weeks, and 61 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and that it just made you wonder if he was 62 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: going to be back. But I think it's it's good 63 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: that he's kind of going to come back on a 64 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: kind of a prove it situation. And again when he's 65 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: been healthy on this team, he and and locked in. 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: He's been a very good player and I think you 67 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: saw that the moment the Browns traded for him in 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: he made an immediate impact on that defense. And I 69 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: think now it's just about staying healthy, uh, finding his 70 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Niche as as one of those top three safeties on 71 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the defense and clearly a talented guy that that I 72 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: think has some some good football out of him. Yeah. 73 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean there's no question he was around the ball 74 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: a lot, making plays and creating turnovers, which is what 75 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: this defense will need again in to set up this 76 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: high profile offense. Yeah. And he's a guy that can 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: do kind of both safety positions if you need him too, 78 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: but I think he you want him most on the inside. 79 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: He's a hard hitter, uh, dynamic with the ball in 80 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: his hands. We saw him have the pick six against 81 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: the Colts. It's just the dree Bugg has bit him 82 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: the last couple of years at some main opportune times. 83 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: But again, a guy that when you look at him 84 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: on the field, an incredible athlete, can do a lot 85 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: and I think that they can they can find spots 86 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: in this defense from where he can make an impact 87 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: out there in one of the more bizarre plays from 88 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: totally forgot and in doing the research and getting ready 89 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: for the show that he was ejected from that week 90 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: one game against Yeah, kind of questionable and uh, but 91 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: there's no question the kid's heart is there and his 92 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: ability to make place and think the other fluke thing 93 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: in his homecoming in Jacksonville, injured on the first play. 94 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it was real, just some some 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: bad luck. It's some bad injury luck. I think even 96 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: in that in the game that he had to pick six, 97 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: he exited later with a concussion. So there's just been 98 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: when you're playing that defensive back and you play kind 99 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: of the high flying style that he does, you're gonna 100 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: get get banged up here and there. And I think 101 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: for him at the focus just be staying healthy, getting 102 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: on the field and getting better. This will be his 103 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: third year in the Joe would scheme, so he'll be 104 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: comfortable with what he's being asked to do. So again, 105 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: you're you're looking pretty good at linebacker, your corner situation 106 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: is good, and you're the back end in your safety room. 107 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: But right now you need a few more guys to 108 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: team up with number ninety five on that defensive line. So, uh, defensively, 109 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: you're looking pretty good for the two season. Offensively, I 110 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: think we all know um got to get another body 111 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: or two in there on the wide receiver side of things. 112 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: And you know what's become just as big a need 113 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: right now, Mike, Again, you've mentioned it from the beginning 114 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: when we started. This tight end is still a position 115 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: of need here as we work towards the dress As 116 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: of now, I think you just have two players rostered 117 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: at that position in Davi Najok and Harrison Bryant. Uh. 118 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: I think that clearly you want to get a few 119 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: more out there. Maybe this team is not going to 120 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: be using his may tight ends as in the past 121 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: with the change of quarterback, maybe you're you're going a 122 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: little bit different schematically, But at the same time, you 123 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: need more in two and I think that the way 124 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski values tight ends, I think it's gonna be 125 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: something where I think that people need to maybe start 126 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: talking more about tight ends in the draft because I 127 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: think that the Harrison Bryant one a couple of years 128 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: ago seemingly came out of nowhere because it was right 129 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: after the Austin Hooper signing. Now, this is a pretty deep, 130 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: deep draft with tight ends, especially on Day two, you 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: can get someone that can maybe make it's a tough 132 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: position to make an impact in year one, but someone 133 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: that can make a decent amount of an impact in 134 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: year one. All Right, enough about what's happening from a 135 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: free agency standpoint, because the league has kind of gotten 136 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: quiet here two weeks before the NFL Draft in terms 137 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: of free agency. You've got a signing here or there, 138 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: and I'm sure the brown is not done yet in 139 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: terms of making some some moves to shore up that 140 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: roster as we get closer to the draft and then 141 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: closer to training camp in late July. Now time to 142 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: talk a little draft, and we do so with Bruce Feldman, 143 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: uh national college insider for the Athletic Fox Sports College Football. 144 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: We talk about the wide receiver group, defensive tackles, defensive ends, 145 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: tight ends, the guys that could be on the Browns radar. 146 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: We talked about positions and what the coaches have said 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: are some of the stronger positions that are coming out 148 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: in this year's draft. Have a watch and have a 149 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: listen here on the Best Podcast Available, presented by Cross 150 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: Country Mortgage, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble joined up by National 151 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: College Insider for the Athletic and Fox Sports Reporter covering 152 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: college football. One of the gurus when it comes to 153 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: covering college football, Bruce Feldman joins us this week on 154 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: the Best Podcast Available. Bruce, I appreciate a few minutes 155 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: of your time. I know you have worked with one 156 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: Andrew Gribble in the past. Any fun little stories that 157 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: you'd like to get out. Maybe we can have a 158 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: little roast of one Andrew Gribble from his days covering 159 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: the Crimson Tide. I am going to hold off and 160 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: refrain from him from taking any shots, especially with Andrew 161 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: in that light as he's in right now, it's just 162 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: like it looks like it's shining for his shoulder. So uh, 163 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: well played by you. Your two thousand twenty two mock 164 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: Draft is out now and it's a deep analysis on 165 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: the top prospects from the guys who know them best, 166 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: the coaches who faced them. And this was a fun 167 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: exercise we had Yahn last year. It was one of 168 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: our best podcasts of the offseason and one of our 169 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: most fun And again your mock draft is out this 170 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: year and out last week, matter of fact, and just 171 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: a great read, a lot of great insight. My first 172 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: question to you in putting this together is how do 173 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: you balance the positive comments with the negative comments? Because 174 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: you don't want to kill a guy's draft stock necessarily, 175 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: but how do you balance if maybe things are a 176 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: little more negative than they are positive. That's a good question. So, like, 177 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: especially the was one player wre the first two comments, 178 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: and it was a guy that you know, I think 179 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: I celebrated a lot because he's a really good college player. 180 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: And the first two comments I got, they weren't like 181 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: bashing the player, but they work very critical some some 182 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: things that almost nobody I think was talking about when 183 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: he was a college player. And I was like, I know, 184 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get at least three comments or talked 185 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: to three sources about every player. But the first two 186 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: were like somebody had said, you know, I'm not surprised 187 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: people look at him as a first round pick, but 188 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm I've heard people think he's a top five pick. 189 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing that, you know, that kind of thing. 190 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: And the second coach was kind of similar to that. 191 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: And then so you talk to a couple more people, 192 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: and it's not like you're kind of keeping turnover in 193 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: rocks to wait and you find something you like, but 194 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: you're just trying to get as complete a picture as possible. 195 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: And what I really love about this format isn't so 196 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: much that it's like a mock draft, but really what 197 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is, you know, if your team 198 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: ends up with one of these players, this should be 199 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: a really invaluable resource to go, Okay, what are we 200 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: actually getting because there's lots of good intel on mock 201 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: drafts and draft analysis. But what I set it out 202 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: set out to do with this has really talked to 203 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: the coaches who played these players in college, because not 204 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: only they studied them on film, but then they know 205 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: what they're doing when they're trying to play against these players. 206 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, I Watson on film. And you know, 207 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: it's not to say that scouts or people don't have 208 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: a great feel for what a player is doing, but 209 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: it's a little different when you know, hey, we're running 210 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: this because of that guy and how they respond to it, 211 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: and so that I feel like gives you a different picture, 212 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: maybe a different perspective. So that was part of how 213 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: I kind of came about it. And then in the 214 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: context of it, you know, look, look, maybe in the NFL, 215 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: this particular player is is Kyle Hamilton's who the first 216 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: couple of comments weren't glowing because they worried, can he 217 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: cover a slot? You know, how is he tackling in 218 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: space um with smaller, quicker guys. Well, in the NFL, 219 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: maybe he's not going to be covering slots. Maybe he's 220 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: really if he's encourage maybe it's gonna be on tight ends. 221 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: And and that's more the bulk of it. So I 222 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: think it's a little different of like what is going 223 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: to the ask when he goes to the NFL. Christ 224 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: I think the most intriguing thing about your mock draft 225 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: and is kind of the and how this pertains to 226 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: the Browns is there's a run on quarterbacks at the 227 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: end of that first round with leek Willis, Desmond ritter U, 228 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: Matt Correll and what what how how do you see 229 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: that shaping up and with a lot of teams that 230 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: are of the Brown's interests maybe loading up at that 231 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: position and setting things up for Day two. Yeah, I 232 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: think it'll be interesting because you know those four with 233 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: you add Kenny Pickett, who I have going earlier, um, 234 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: and then you can probably throw Sam Howe from North 235 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: Carolina in there. I think there is to me this 236 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: is not this is not revolution to say this, because 237 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people said this, this is a very 238 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: underwhelming quarterback prop. And I think if you, if you 239 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: really desperately need one who's gonna come in and compete 240 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: for a starting job and ultimately play right away, it's 241 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: very risky. I mean, Malik Willis is a big arm 242 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: and he runs well, but he came from coming out 243 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: of Hugh Freeze system, which is R P O heavy 244 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: and it's not as complicated. And I think you also 245 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: have a guy who he's at Liberty, but then when 246 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: they played some better teams he struggled. And I think 247 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: the concern is how quickly can he transition to the NFL. 248 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: And Matt Corral you have a guy who has a 249 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: you know, really quick release and runs well and he's tough, 250 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: but he's also not a big guy. You wonder how 251 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: durable he's gonna be if he's gonna try to play 252 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: like a linebacker in the NFL, will he hold up? 253 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: You also worry and I when I went to the combine, 254 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: talked to some NFL coaches who've met with him, was 255 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: do we think, because we know he's had kind of 256 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: a bumpy path and he's come from it come out 257 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: of it, but do we think he's going to be 258 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: able to lead men who have families and be the 259 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: kind of face of a franchise right now? And so 260 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: I think what you what you're looking at with some 261 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: eyes is how ready are they if you need them 262 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: to play now or a year from now, as opposed to, like, hey, 263 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: you can develop behind somebody, there's less pressure because you 264 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: are a second round picker, maybe you're the end of 265 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: the first round, as opposed to you know, we're going 266 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: to take you in the top ten. You know, then 267 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: there's a different level of expectations on somebody. So you know, 268 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you sit there and say, hey, 269 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: we can get Sam how mid to late second round 270 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: and we know that he's had his moments, But there's 271 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: you know a little bit of And I know people 272 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: compare him to Baker in part because he's a similar stature, 273 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: and I think he actually looks a little Baker. Their 274 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: personalities are way different. Having been around both, but you know, 275 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: maybe there's just I feel like there's just less pressure 276 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: if you're taking somebody in the second round then if 277 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: you're the first round quarterback. Bruce Feltman's mock draft is 278 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: out now at the Athletic Use. Their National College Insider 279 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: also covers the game for Fox. For It's Bruce Kenny 280 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: Piketts hands overblown story, legit concerned from any of the 281 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: people that you've talked to. I think it's a little overblown. Um. 282 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen quarterbacks who Logan Thomas when he 283 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: was a quarterback, had enormous hands. Johnny you guys remember him. 284 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: Johnny has big hands. Um. You know, Joe Burrow doesn't 285 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: have very big hands. Joe Burrow plays in a cold place, 286 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: you know. So I think it's a little I think 287 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: it's a little overblown. Um. But it's that time of 288 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: year when people love to dissect all the minut shaw 289 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: and I get it, why, you know. And I've talked 290 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: to plenty of coaches who know a lot more about 291 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: football than I do, who say they really care about 292 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: it and they look at it when they recruit quarterbacks 293 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: or when they go through the process. Um, I if 294 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: I was an NFL team, and I really was sold 295 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: on Kenny Pickett's arm. I would not I would not 296 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: be like who his hands are just as small. I 297 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: can't take him in, you know, in the first round 298 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: because of that. I don't think that's a deal breaker, Bruce. 299 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: The last few years, the Browns in the second round 300 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: of seemed to get guys that came into the year, 301 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: even came into the draft, everyone talking about them as 302 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: first round players. Whether it's Jeremiah Rooster, Cormoa, Grant Delpic, 303 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: Greedy Williams. Guys like that is there might be putting 304 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: you on the spot. Is there anyone that fits in 305 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: the mold of guys who may have entered this conversation? 306 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: As for surroundings that yet now you're hearing are looking 307 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: like second round kind of guys, I don't know where, 308 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: Like does Johan Dotson fall out of the first round? 309 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: He plays bigger than he is. His size isn't great, 310 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: but he plays bigger. He is a home run threat. 311 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: And you have in the first round already have the 312 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: two receivers from Ohio State, Garrett Wilson and Crystal Lave. 313 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: You have Drake London, who's the biggest receiver of the 314 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: high level guys. And you have Jamison Williams, who was 315 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, an explosive receiver from Alabama coming off an injury. 316 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: You know, so's Johan Dots and that guy. You know, 317 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: like there are I think you can get a really 318 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: good receiver in the second round. I mean, you know, 319 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Kristin Watson from North Dakota. Say you have guys who 320 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: I think can be pretty dynamic who you could get 321 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: in the second round. I think there's players who could 322 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: end up sliding back. I think there's running backs. You know, 323 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: Breece Hall, I think if he ends up not in 324 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: the first round, was ultra productive. He ran really well 325 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: it uh at the combine. I feel like in that 326 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: regard there are some really good value players. Then there's 327 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: a guy like a boy Mafe. He was on my 328 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: Freaks list. He is a really explosive athlete and he 329 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: played in a pretty simple scheme of Minnesota. I'm not 330 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: saying he is you know what the Ravens got last 331 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: year in oh A, but he is a pretty freaky 332 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: athlete and he could be a difference maker on third 333 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: down situations. Like it wouldn't shock me if if somebody 334 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: liked that ended up being having a better career or 335 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: the same kind you know, the same kind of production 336 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: as a Cavon Thibodeau does who and he goes into 337 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: the top ten. I mean there will be some of 338 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: those guys. Is you know who could could fall out 339 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: of the first and end up being um. You know 340 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: you have some guys at Georgia. You know, it's obviously 341 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: talked a lot about Kuay Walker, but there's other guys 342 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: there who could you know, who are explosive athletes who 343 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: played at a high level who could end up being 344 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: really good players in the second round, Edge, wide, receiver, 345 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: other In terms of your research, what do you come 346 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: across as seeing as the biggest position of strength in 347 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: this draft. I think it's probably receiver. I don't think 348 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: there's Jamaar Chase in there, but there's really good receivers 349 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: at the high level, and I just feel like there's 350 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: a depth of them that you can get. I think 351 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: there will be first round production out of some second 352 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: round guys UM. Whereas edge, I think you start to 353 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: look at some of the guys out there. UM. I 354 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: think there's some sneaky good linebackers in there. Like there's 355 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: a linebacker from from the Raska Joe Joe Dolman. I 356 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: think he could be like Pete Werner, you know kind 357 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: of player where he can play for ten years and 358 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: maybe he's the third round pick. Chad Muma from Wyoming 359 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: is a big time playmaker. I think he can be 360 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: a really productive NFL player for a long time. And 361 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: I think those guys may end up um you know, 362 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: like there are guys, you know Leo Shanal from Wyoming, 363 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: super explosive athlete. He's a two fifty pound linebacker, can 364 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: get after people. I think if those guys end up 365 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: at some point in the third round, I think you're 366 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: gonna see really, you know, Demon Clark, who may not 367 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: be able to play because of injury at LS you 368 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: had a huge year, really blossom this year and when 369 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: everything else was he had three different defensive coordinators in 370 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: the last few years. Demon Clark is a first round 371 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: kind of athlete and he you know, whether he can 372 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: play this year or not, two years from now, Demon 373 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: Clark might be a starting NFL player, and I think 374 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: he may be able to get him in the fourth 375 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: or fifth round now, maybe because of injury. Pause. I 376 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: feel like the last few years we've been talking about 377 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: the depth of the wide receivers. Is this like a 378 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: short term blip or is this like a grassroots high 379 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: school college thing where these guys are coming in way 380 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: more ready because of how football is being played at 381 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: these lower levels, right. I think it's exactly that you 382 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: have the explosion of seven on seven. I think there's 383 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: another element of like kids talking about getting most, you know. 384 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: I think there's like all of a sudden that they've 385 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: grown up on that. I think you have some basketball, 386 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, carry over. Mike Evans wasn't a big recruit, 387 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: but he was an elite basketball player who went to 388 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: Texas A and M and has now been a really 389 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: good NFL receiver. Drake London could have played basketball a 390 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: uv A and had a really good career when the 391 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: team stunk at USC, I think you're gonna see a 392 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: bunch of a bunch of guys like that keep going 393 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: because it's a very you know, even in the grassroots 394 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: aspect of football where it's very instagram heavy, where you 395 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: see a lot of receiver drills and different things on releases, 396 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: the stuff that Davante Adams does, the stuff that Keenan 397 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: Ellen does, you know, those kinds of things. I think 398 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: a lot of kids now are growing up studying that 399 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: in a way that you know, like you have quarterback dad's, 400 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna have receiver dads. And I think there's there's 401 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: a big portion of that. And that's not even getting 402 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: into like the the explosion of the money for slot receivers. 403 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: You know Adam Humphreys, what he got like thirty six 404 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: million dollars or thirty nine million dollars and when he's 405 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: when he left Tampa to go to the Titans, and 406 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna get I'm sure you know his you know 407 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: the facto baby brother from Clemson. You know when when 408 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: Renfro is up, he's going to get a bunch of 409 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: money from the Raiders. And I think you see that 410 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: from the Julian Edelman kind of imprint those guys now 411 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: are It's a big value position. I think there's gonna 412 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: be a lot of guys trying to find a slot 413 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: who can who can move the chains farting with Bruce 414 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: Feldman from The Athletic. You can check out all of 415 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: his great work and all the work that goes on 416 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: at the Athletic The Athletic dot Com. Subscribe to day 417 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson or Chris Olave. We are obviously in the 418 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: heart of Buckeye country here, and it's a conversation that 419 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people have uh in in the bars 420 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: all over the city, is who's the better wide receiver? 421 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: Who's going to be the better pro I mean from 422 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: talking to the people who have played them. As much 423 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: as they like a Lava who maybe a touch faster, 424 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: I think people feel like Garrett Wilson actually a little 425 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: freak here in terms of just the ability to stop 426 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: and start. Maybe you know, both have both a really 427 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: good route runners. I think, uh, Garrett Wilson's a little 428 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: more of the dynamic presence um So I think you're 429 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: splitting hairs there. But from talking to the people who 430 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: have been around them and played them, I think that 431 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: they would say the guy who scares defenses more is 432 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: actually Garrett Wilson. It seems like there's a surplus of 433 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: defensive tackles that are going to be first rounders, but 434 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot that may go in the second round. 435 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: Is there one that stands out to you, whether it's 436 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: Perry On Winfrey, uh, Logan Hall, guys like that, Travis Jones, 437 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: players like that, at that position. Yeah, apparently went for 438 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: he's super explosive. I think Travis Jones, you know, from Yukon, 439 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: Like I actually thought he was going to be in 440 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: my first round. Talked to a bunch of coaches about him. 441 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: One school was like, yeah, we were like he was 442 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: on an awful team and he was the best of 443 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: an awful lot, but I don't think they were just 444 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: as wowed by him, and other coaches that I talked 445 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: to thought, Okay, he's a big, physical giant of a 446 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: man and they could see him translating well to the 447 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: end NFL. Whereas Winfrey is one of those guys who 448 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: I think is just so explosive, and you know, he's 449 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: a junior college guy who I think was kind of 450 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a late riser I could 451 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: see when when for being more disruptive and more of 452 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: an impact guy. Of those guys to watch out for, 453 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: I like Darian Mathis from Alabama. I mean, he had 454 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: a really good year this year and now granted, the 455 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: best player probably in college football who's not is not 456 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: in this draft. Well, Anderson was the was the guy 457 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: everybody worried about. But Darian mathis I think he will 458 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: be a really solid NFL player for a long time, 459 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: and I'm guessing, you know, somewhere in the second round. 460 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if he falls below that, but I 461 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: think he's just a really good player. Um there's guys 462 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: in there that I think is a lot of really 463 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: really good, maybe not great, but really good, big guys 464 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: in the middle. You know. I'm sure we'll see Jordan 465 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: Davis and DeVante Wyatt um go you know somewhere in 466 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the first round, just because they're huge 467 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: guys who move exceptionally well. But I think there's another 468 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: batch of them. As you said that, I think we'll 469 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: go in the second, third round, will be starters and 470 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: really good players on the edge side of things. Maybe 471 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: no more polarizing a player in this year's draft than 472 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux from Oregon and where he goes. Obviously he's 473 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: had some strong comments. Uh, It's been interesting to watch 474 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: because here's a guy that talent could speak for itself, 475 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of noise in the background that 476 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: seems to think that maybe he could even fall out 477 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: of the top ten. Possibly. Yeah, I haven't going late. 478 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: I think I haven't going eighth to the Falcons. I 479 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: think the concerns with him, as you said, you know, 480 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: lots of outside interest. Nobody thinks he's a bad kid, 481 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: but lots of outside interest where it's like, how committed 482 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: to football is he? And that in itself is fine, 483 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: But the chatter that picks up more steam is when 484 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: you talk to these coaches who are like he plays 485 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: in spurts. He disappeared in a bunch of games where 486 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: he thought he should have been dominant. And when you 487 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: couple of those two things together, it's a concern. Now. 488 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: He has great get off. He came out of high 489 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: school as the number one overall recruits. He's had a 490 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: lot of buzz. The the other thing is and knowing that, 491 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: you know, you guys are the Browns. So we got 492 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett. He's not Miles Garrett athletically, and he's smaller. 493 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: You got Jadavion Clowney, who has had a very up 494 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: and down Like there were times when Jadeveon Clowney was 495 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: sophomore in South Carolina he was superman, but then you 496 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: know he hasn't had that NFL career and Jadamian find 497 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: he's a much bigger dude than than Cavon Thibodeaux, you know, 498 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, I don't want to compare him to 499 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, the Falcon's at the first round pick who 500 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: was with the Browns last year, who was explosive edge 501 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: guy from the pack twelve. But like they'll be flashes, 502 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: but you need to see more, right. I don't think 503 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: he's I don't think he's Myles Garrett. I don't think 504 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: he is one of the bosses. I don't think he 505 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, he's a two d fifty four pound guy. 506 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: Is he gonna be to sixty five a year or 507 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: two from now? And yeah, he has a great get off, 508 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: But I think I'm interested to see how it goes. 509 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I think from everybody I talked to, they 510 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: like him, they're a little they're a little leery of 511 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: what his NFL future is going to be like. And 512 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: Brizi'll just follow up and that like just about the 513 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: position as a whole. It seems like if it's like 514 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: beyond a top twenties selection, there's always like some uneasiness 515 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: with ed dressers, like you just don't know, like what's 516 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: the what's the reason why projections are so tough with 517 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: that position? Yeah, I think some of it is there's 518 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: a boom or bust factor. I mean a guy I'll 519 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: use this example, so you know, uh, Marcus Davenport, very 520 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: opposite of Thibodeau and that he went to U T. 521 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: S A. There was really no buzz about him when 522 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: he was coming up long really you know, six seven 523 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: guy who moves really well for that frame. But you know, 524 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: he's been banged up a little bit. He has, he's 525 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: shown flashes, but it's not like we're talking about Cam 526 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Jordans on the other side, where we're talking about a 527 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: sixteen sack guy or whatever. And I think it's just 528 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: hard to project. I think for certain guys, Oh this 529 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: guy's got a motor. Oh yeah, he has a motor. 530 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: But is he going to be a dominant player athletically 531 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: or is he going to you know, clean up on crumbs, 532 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, depending on what's on the other side. Right. 533 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen guys who were maybe not high 534 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: level college players and then they urish in the NFL. 535 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, another guy came from the Saints, you know, Okay, 536 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: played at f AU has been a really really productive player, 537 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: And I think it's just hard to see, well where 538 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: does the where does quote the motor go? And is 539 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: that going to be enough to be a high level 540 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: NFL edge rush where you're really going to be a 541 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: difference maker as opposed to you're gonna get seven sacks 542 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: as a situational guy. But is that the value we're 543 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: talking about? You know? I mean, I mean there's a 544 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,239 Speaker 1: big difference between like dominant guys and who they're around, right, 545 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: you know, like Leonard Floyd got to be a lot 546 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: better player when he came out here with with the Rams. 547 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, look who everybody had to deal with. 548 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: They had to deal with number ninety nine. So I 549 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: think sometimes those things, you know, add into what can 550 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: make a guy, you know, get let the light came 551 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: on for him, Well, the light probably came on for 552 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: him because like everybody's scared to death with the other guy, 553 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, somebody else that they were having a game 554 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: plan for. Bruce. I'll get you out of here on this. 555 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: And obviously it's been a pretty busy offseason for our 556 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: football team. In doing so, we have a new quarterback 557 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: in Deshaun Watson. What can you tell us about the 558 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: Shawan the player that you covered when he was at Clemson. 559 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean as a as a player on the field, 560 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: he was a program changer. You know, in regard for Clemson, 561 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: you think about this way, like maybe five years before 562 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: he got there, they took a five star quarterback, Taj Boyd, 563 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: who was a really good player, and he elevated them 564 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: to be to go from being kind of underwhelming or 565 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, in considered to be a very good team, 566 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: and they got to like they took a big step 567 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: and then they got a little better. And then then 568 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: when Deshaun was there and they had pieces around him, 569 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: they certainly had really good defensive line, but like I 570 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: think that was like they went and took it to 571 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: another level. He was just I think he was a 572 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: very good fit in that system, and I think he 573 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: really elevated that program because after that, then then Trevor 574 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: Lawrence came in and the talent continued. Like what's crazy 575 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: is like Clemson has recruited obviously well, but it's not 576 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: like Clemson was recruiting on the star power that Georgia 577 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: and Alabama have been. You know, they were getting top 578 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: twelve classes, maybe once it was top four and then 579 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: another time be number fourteen, whereas Georgia Alabama. They were 580 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: getting their stacking Cordwood of number one or number two 581 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: ranked classes and everybody's a five star. And so I 582 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: think what you had in that quarterback was a guy 583 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: who I think a lot of people would look back 584 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: going wow with his career. Um, you're surprised he didn't 585 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: end up winning a Heisman, you know, And I think 586 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: back then, I remember that one of the things that 587 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, it was a knock on him was that 588 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: there were the picks, you know, and I think it 589 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: was because he was given his guys a chance to 590 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: make plays, and sometimes the defense made the plays, but 591 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: he ultimately, you know, took them to a place that 592 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people didn't think they could go. 593 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: And to Davos Sweeney's credit and that staff's credit and 594 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: those players, they were able to sustain it and kind 595 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: of build off it. But um, I mean, you know, 596 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: he was a great college quarterback. I don't think anybody 597 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: is surprised was surprised that he went on and had 598 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, had a lot of success in his game 599 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: translated well when he was in Houston either because you know, 600 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: he was really good against Alabama when you know, it's 601 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: one thing to be really good in the a c C. 602 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: I think when you talk to coaches, are like, yeah, 603 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the a CEC relative to the rest of the Power 604 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: five isn't great, especially when Clemson's the heavyweight and Miami 605 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: and Florida State are spinning their wheels. Especially at that 606 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Why Miami was Florida State was it was almost like 607 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: Florida State was was good and then after Jamis left 608 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: then they started a really backslide fast, whereas Clemson, um, 609 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, it just wasn't a great league. But to 610 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: do it in the playoff the way he did, I 611 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: think that opened up a lot of eyes. Bruce Felman 612 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for your time. Make sure you 613 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: check out his mock Draft today, Insight from the coaches 614 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: that played against all these guys whose names are gonna 615 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: be called here on April, April nine and April. Keep 616 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: up the great work. Hopefully you get a little R 617 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: and R here. Before we know it, college football is 618 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: gonna be back, the NFL is gonna be back, and 619 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: the madness will will ensue yet again. Follow him on 620 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Twitter at Bruce Feldman CFB. Read his work at the 621 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: Athletic dot Com. Bruce appreciate the time, continued successor my pleasure. 622 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Thanks to Bruce Feldman from The Athletic and 623 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: from Fox Sports for a few minutes of his time. Gribbs, 624 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned it one of the best in the business, 625 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: a guy that I know you've worked with in the past, 626 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: especially your time in college football, and UH offered a 627 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: lot of good insight. Again, it's tough talking mock drafts. 628 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: It's tough talking about draft when you don't pick till 629 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: number forty four, and a lot of things could happen. 630 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: But UH, there's a lot of positions of interest and 631 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guys at those positions that we uh, 632 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: that we need here. And as I mentioned in the interview, 633 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: it it seems like the Browns the last few years 634 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: have gotten a guy in the second round that had 635 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: always been mocked in the first round. I mean, we 636 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: remember the stunner I think last years is probably the 637 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: most stunning, getting Jeremiah Kormot in the middle of the 638 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: second round. I think even previous years. I remember going 639 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: into that twenty nineteen draft, Greedy Williams was routinely mocked 640 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: as a first round guy. Grant Delpit before the injury 641 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: was mocked as a high first round guy going into 642 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: his final season at l s U. So there's plenty 643 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: of talent to be found. He mentioned John Dotson at 644 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: Penn State. That's someone where there's just gonna be a 645 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: cluster of wide receivers. There's only gonna be so many 646 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: people that take wide receivers in the first round. There's 647 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: gonna be first round talents that come down to the 648 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: second round. Uh So that's a spot where you can 649 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: get some real value at that position of a of 650 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: a player that certainly is talented enough to be a 651 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: first round player, but just the way the board breaks 652 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: could fall to the second Yeah, I mean, I think 653 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: we look at it and in doing the research, there's 654 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: probably fifteen to twenty quality wide receivers in this draft. 655 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: Not all twenty are going to go before PICKT and 656 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: and one of those wide receivers that's gonna probably go 657 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: in the first round is Jamison Williams, who probably can't 658 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: play much at least early in the first season. So 659 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: those there's teams looking to be long term investments in 660 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: the first round, and you're gonna get a player potentially 661 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: that can make an impact right away in this offense. 662 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: In year one and same with a kid from Michigan 663 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: who who had towards Achilles. Yeah. I mean, the teams 664 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: are willing to wait a year potentially for some of 665 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: these guys to really make an impact. But they're that 666 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: good that if they're healthy, they're they're game changers for sure. 667 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. We talked about wide receivers, 668 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: we talked about edge rushers, and his worry is not 669 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: sure how many quality edge rushers are going to be 670 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: there on day two. I still think you can find 671 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: some guys that can play and play at a high 672 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: level in dates. Yeah, look at look at what the 673 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: Browns got back in twenty sixteen in Emmanuel Agba. It's 674 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: it was a pass rusher that came in really raw. 675 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: He made a decent impact on a on a bad defense. 676 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he is one of the best players on 677 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: on a bad defense for a couple of years. But 678 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: then as his career developed develops an even two more 679 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: uh consistent pass rusher. Especially once the league figures out 680 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: what you do best and you find a defense that 681 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: that gets the most out of you. These pass rushers 682 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: that you're getting outside of the first round are gonna 683 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: take some work. I mean, there's they're not. If they 684 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: were elite pass rushers, they go early, and so it's 685 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: it's you you you get some guys like like he 686 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: mentioned a Jason Oway with the Ravens late in the 687 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: first round last year, where it's a lot of projection 688 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: and figuring out what they can do best and it's 689 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: probably not gonna always be smooth sailing. So uh, that's 690 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: if if if edges the spot at at at four, 691 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be someone that's gonna play. It's just a 692 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: matter of what you can get out of them in 693 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: year one and where they fit within the Stevens. It's 694 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: not not necessarily someone that you can pencil in right 695 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: away as a starter at that spot. So you start 696 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: seeing mock drafts in two rounds. I know Mel Kuyper 697 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: this week put out his two round mock. Uh, Todd 698 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: mcshae had his last week. A couple other guys Lands 699 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: aer Line I believe has a multi round mock that 700 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: just came out from NFL dot Com, and they you know, 701 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: you start seeing guys, you start looking and you go, okay. 702 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: Defensive tackle. Defensive tackle seems to be a prevalent theme, 703 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just because it's a position of need 704 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: or it's hard to tell at this point. Is it 705 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: silly season? Is it? Are you starting to see a 706 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: pattern here where something could come down and look this 707 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: way on draft day? I think it's hard two weeks out, 708 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: especially like we just talked about picking at forty four. 709 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the draft doesn't start for you till Friday 710 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: as of now. It doesn't mean it can't start earlier, 711 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: but as of now it starts to night too. So 712 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: what to make of these multi rounds? Yeah, I think 713 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: that the combination of it's. I think it's one, you 714 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: look at the Browns roster and you're seeing two defensive 715 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: tackles on the roster. That's an easy pick for someone 716 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: that's doing a two, two round mock draft. The second 717 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: thing is you've really only got one defensive tackle that 718 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: is locked in as like a first round guy, and 719 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: it seems like there's like a surplus of defensive tackles 720 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: that fit in as top fifty to fifty five players 721 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: overall in the draft that are going to fall in 722 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: that kind of range that the Browns are in. Guys 723 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: like Travis Jones out of Yukon Perry and went forgot 724 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma. It's just kind of the need meets 725 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: meets draft level, and I think that's why it's the easiest. 726 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: I think that and wide receiver are probably the two 727 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: easiest ones to project with the Browns right now in 728 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: the second round. All Right, that's a look at the 729 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: mock draft Mayhem. Two weeks out from the NFL draft. UH. 730 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: Next week the kids are back in school voluntarily as 731 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: organized team activities otherwise known as o t a s begin, 732 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: and the first session of these o t a s 733 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: begins next week. Ribs players going to report Monday Tuesday 734 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: somewhere in there, UH, and then get down to business again. 735 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: It is voluntary, so we'll see who comes and who doesn't. 736 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: But what can we expect in this first session here? 737 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is just your straight up working out, 738 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: so footballs are not involved. I mean, this is getting 739 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: the guys together, getting him in the strength program, getting 740 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: everyone kind of on the same page, and you you 741 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: kind of slowly methodically work your way all the way 742 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: to better room any camp in mid June. So this 743 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: is the first traditional UH offseason workout program that Kevin 744 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: Stefanski will experience, first one that the team will have 745 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: experience since twenty nine. Uh, So it'll be interesting to 746 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: see the turnout. First off, you're you're probably expecting most 747 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: of the guys to be back here in some capacity. 748 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: We at least yeah, and and in and out potentially 749 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: for some guys, but ultimately you it's just getting the 750 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: team together, getting some bonding going. You got a new quarterback, 751 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: You've got some new players. Defense is mostly the same, 752 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: but I mean, this team has had so much turnover 753 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: over the year, it's great to have a lot of 754 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: the guys back on the same page. You've got a 755 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: third year with the coaching staff, which, as Joe Thomas 756 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: always mentions, it's not like you're relearning algebra every year. 757 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: This is you can start stacking on top of what 758 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: you learned. It's just it's all about getting the guys 759 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: together and and setting the table for so we you 760 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: can come in hit the ground running a trink Yeah, 761 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: I would expect there to be some new wrinkles obviously 762 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: with the with the quarterback play and a different quarterback 763 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: in here as well. So, uh, a lot to see, 764 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: a lot to kind of unpack here as this team 765 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: comes back into the building. Hard to believe they're already 766 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: back in the middle of April, and before we know it, Uh, 767 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: we'll be back here in late July. Jeff McDaniel not 768 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: quite ready for that, based on the look behind the 769 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: camera that he just gave me. So I don't think 770 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: any of us are ready for that yet, but it 771 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: will be good to have the guys back in the 772 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: building next week. These are our off season workouts. We're 773 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: getting reps in now, so we're all ready to go 774 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: by late July. He said it. I agree, we all 775 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: second it. Uh. Make sure you like and subscribe today 776 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: to the best podcast available wherever you get your podcast. 777 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: Also check us out at YouTube dot com, YouTube dot 778 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: com Slash Browns. Thanks to Bruce Feldman for his time, 779 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: Thanks to Jeff McDaniel for all of his hard work. 780 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: Andrew Grill and I are back with you. Next week. 781 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: We'll start to look at that first week of O 782 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: T A S and we continue to inch closer to 783 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: the two NFL draft. Randy Gribble, I'm Jason Gibbs. Thanks 784 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: for watching, Thanks for listening to the best podcast available, 785 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: presented by Cross Country Mortgage