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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to step

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Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio. And

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Speaker 1: we are here with a feminist movie Friday slash possibly

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Speaker 1: feminist movie Wednesday, as sometimes happens. Yes, because we've got

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Speaker 1: um more than one movie I believe, in April and

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Speaker 1: in May, because we love movies here. We hope that

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Speaker 1: our feminist discussion around them. Yes, because we had a

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Speaker 1: lot of things come out recently, plus some like events

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Speaker 1: we want to hit, so get ready for multiple movie episodes.

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Speaker 1: And this one we have mentioned before how excited we

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Speaker 1: are to talk about turning red Pixar movie. It just

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Speaker 1: came out just now streaming on Disney Plus. If you

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Speaker 1: go check it out. It's really really sweet. Um. I've

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Speaker 1: shown it to at least four people like I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Um. And we have

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Speaker 1: We're better gonna move on because you know how we

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Speaker 1: experience with some of the topics in this one, which

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Speaker 1: reminds me you can see our past episodes on fan girls,

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Speaker 1: fan fiction and women in romance. Actually, yes, and it

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Speaker 1: does have common themes. So if you're like, what why,

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Speaker 1: you'll see you'll see. Okay. So, Turning Red is an

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Speaker 1: animated comedy fantasy coming of age story that was directed

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Speaker 1: Goofy movie. But Pluto's Pluto. Whoy. That's the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So that's a nice that's a nice story to see.

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Speaker 1: Well earned, ladies. Congratulations, Yes, congratulations, they're listening to our episode,

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Speaker 1: but still congratulations. If you are, we love you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: so good, so good. So. This movie is voiced by

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Speaker 1: Rosalie Chiong, Sandra oh Orient, Lee, Ava Morrise, High End Park,

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Speaker 1: and James Hong. It's the first Pixar movie directed only

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Speaker 1: in general. But yeah, I want to come back to that.

428
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: But he he absolutely referencing that I wasn't a young girl,

429
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: so I can't relate. So this movie is not good.

430
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm not Chinese Canadian, I can't relate. This movie is

431
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: not good. Like saying all of these levels and people

432
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: actually running with it for a little while being like,

433
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: you're so right. We shouldn't be talking about this because

434
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: this shouldn't be something that we talked about in public,

435
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: and because it's not white centric, it's not relatable so

436
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: many things. But yes, one of the things he included

437
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: was being a young girl. Yeah, yeah, we're definitely going

438
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: to come back to that because it was infuriating on

439
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: several several theres and it's just so hypocritical like every

440
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: other Disney movie that's ever been made. But whatever, Okay,

441
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: So I do love I think it's become clear probably

442
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: through these segments. I I love like a movie that

443
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: is a not heavy handed but like clear metaphor for something.

444
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Um I love looking at like, oh, I think it

445
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: means this, Oh, I think it means this and so

446
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: this one the panda like and turning red. This red

447
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: panda is definitely it was an intentionally a metaphor for

448
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: periods and adolescence in general. Um. I love that whole

449
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: bit where she's like, she's smelly, she's hairy, she's emotional,

450
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: she's messy, like all of those things, like that she

451
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: wears her jacket around her waist. There's so many like

452
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: nice touches where I'm like yes, or like that where

453
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: she felt like she was bloated, like yes, this is it,

454
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: this is it. I love her mom when she thinks

455
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: that the panda that she's had her period and she's

456
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: did the red peony bloom. That's one of my favorite

457
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: depanisms I've ever heard for a period in my life. Yes,

458
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: I think it was handled really well and it's kind

459
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: of all comment. I don't know about your first experience,

460
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: but my first experience at the age of twelve, I

461
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: think I had just turned twelve, coming home and or

462
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: calling my mom and be like, I don't know what's happening.

463
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: And the first thing my mom did, she didn't really

464
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: talk to me. She just handed me a box of

465
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: painting liners. Because it was like the beginning of things

466
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, what is this? And then

467
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: from then on anytime, like because my periods were excruciating

468
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: growing up, and my mom understood it and she understood

469
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: what I was coming from. I didn't. We talked about

470
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: this whole like level of fantasizing about like this being

471
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: the moment of womanhood. Yes, we did, and I never

472
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: had that conversation. Then. To me, that was like shocking.

473
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: And I only saw that on TV women like literally

474
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: some some sitcoms would be like we go shopping to

475
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: celebrate your woman and I'm like, why didn't I get that?

476
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: I love that, But in understand this is biology and

477
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: I should we can celebrate it. That's not the big deal.

478
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: You do you. I love celebrating being a woman. You

479
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: do you, but doesn't necessarily define anything, but that we

480
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: need to have a conversation about what this is and

481
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: the fact that it's not shameful. It's nice too. Yeah,

482
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: And I think that was one of the big things

483
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: about this was again, like I texted you, I've never

484
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: seen this in a movie before. I was shocked. I

485
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: was shocked, and that shouldn't be that way, Like going

486
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: back to that reviewer, it's like, I can't relate well

487
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: about fifty of us can and we've never seen this before, right.

488
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: I actually saw on Twitter someone talking about they had

489
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: burst out crying because they love the fact that it

490
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: was actually talked about and that it was given some

491
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: of the respect it should like the fact that this

492
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: may hurt, this may be a problem, you may feel

493
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: some things, and that instead of saying you're ab normal,

494
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: ignore it, they were able to be like, Okay, here

495
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: you go, let me assist you. And yeah, the same

496
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: way you were talking about've never seen so many paths

497
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: she talked about this. She's like, I've never seen a

498
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: cartoon bring out pads, and the fact that it was

499
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: actually illustrated in I was like, yeah, that's amazing. I

500
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: love the different brands. Let's go shed like different time.

501
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: It was so good, and I love when she brings

502
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: out like here's the t here's the hot water. She

503
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: had all these things. I loved it, and I was,

504
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: as I said, I was shocked they got this made

505
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: um And there have been articles about how they were

506
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: able to get this made if you want to go

507
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: read those. I also thought that whole kind of like

508
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: having to skip events because of your period. I related

509
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: to that too, just like, oh, I can't go to

510
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: the concert because of this. Like I feel like a

511
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: lot of us recognized, like we've had those times, especially

512
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: if like a bathing suit situations involved, or something where

513
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I can't go and you can't you

514
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: don't really want to explain why you can't go, but

515
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable going, right, Um, and then that

516
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: whole like shame factor, as you said, like gott to

517
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: hide the panda. Her mom even says at one point,

518
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: like we can't let anyone see her like this. I

519
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: have to hide it. She's can like she says, she

520
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: has to get home and has to hide. She's clearly

521
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: embarrassed when anyone sees her before she realizes that she

522
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: can make some money and people actually thinks it looks good. Right, Yeah,

523
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's that was interesting too, of sort

524
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: of you know, embracing this thing you've been told to

525
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: be ashamed of all these messy sides. As her dad

526
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: says that that inner beast, I don't know that that

527
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: was that was interesting because I found that somebody told

528
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: me once that, like a lot of things, you think

529
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: are your weaknesses or your powers? I thought with that

530
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: with this, like she embraced it and was able to

531
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: like control it but also let it out like she

532
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't know it was really I thought it was

533
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: really powerful. Absolutely. I think it's fantastic to see her

534
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: being loved and loving and who was willing to accept

535
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: what that said a lot, Like there's so much trepidation

536
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: and being who you are, and then when you're feeling accepted,

537
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: that's a whole new level of power. It really is

538
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: like level of self confidence and once you see people

539
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: behind you, it's amazing. Yeah, and you know, now we're

540
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: talking about this. I wonder this could be me reading

541
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: way too much into things again, but I wonder if

542
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: there's any sort of intention on the creator's parts to

543
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: be like, you can embrace this femininity, these parts of

544
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: women that we've made taboo for so long, and you

545
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: can make money off of it, Like people will like

546
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: it and there are stories that people want to hear.

547
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: That's interesting. And then yeah, I did like the whole

548
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: my pantom my choice mom when she's going out, because

549
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: we've talked about that before. Where and I had a

550
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: lot of experiences where my parents would be like leaving

551
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: the house and they would tell me stop, they wait,

552
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: you can't go out in that. And it did make

553
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: me very self conscious about my body and like why

554
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't go out like that? Um. And it has

555
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: been interesting during this pandemic where I've really just like

556
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't care out my shirt, no bra whatever, right,

557
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: It kind of has come to the point of like,

558
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: what's the point of fancy clothes. Don't get me wrong,

559
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: stressing up is nice, but at the same time, like

560
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: there's also something to be said to where pajama pants

561
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: all day long as I am and currently as we're

562
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: recording this and not having a brawn being in the

563
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: sweats and just be like, yeah, I'm good, I'm fine,

564
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: and then like walking out because I absolutely grew up

565
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: with the mother in the generation of you need to

566
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: have makeup on at all times, don't let people see

567
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: you like this. You look old, you look haggard, you

568
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: look tired, any of those things, and feeling like if

569
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: I look this way, I have failed somehow, and to

570
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: the point of like, oh, wait, I'm fine, this is

571
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: who I am. Why should I care what you think

572
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: of me? I don't know you moving on? Yeah, Oh yeah,

573
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: for sure, and like that, you know, there's a part

574
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: of me that it's really unfortunate and we're going to

575
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: talk about this in a second, but like there's a

576
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: part of me that gets like my body at that

577
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: age was going to be sexualized, like no matter what,

578
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: but especially if I went out without a bra or

579
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: whatever it was. So my parents are kind of being protective,

580
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: but because of that, it's like a no win situation

581
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: for me personally are young girls in general that we're

582
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: being told like, oh, you're sexualized, you can't wear that,

583
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: and then it makes you feel sexualized and then you

584
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: feel weird. Um. Also, I did want to just mention

585
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of us can relate to

586
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: this too. I think this is sort of what I

587
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: was talking about in our recent happy hour. I'm not

588
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: sure if it's come out yet, it's out soon or

589
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: has been out about the villain and kind of repaining

590
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: yourself in this way, are are just rethinking about how

591
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: people perceive you. But there's one point where May's looking

592
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: in the mirror and she's preparing for this ritual and

593
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: she has this memory, it's really vivid memory of her

594
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: as a panda attacking Tyler and his like taken it

595
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: back and feels so much guilt. And you can tell

596
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: she feels so much guilt about around her mom and

597
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: not being the perfect daughter. And I think a lot

598
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: of us can relate to that too. Like I was

599
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: joking with my friend other day, you know, the four

600
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: aum memory of something you said in high school that

601
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: just like comes back and keeps you up at night.

602
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: Um So I think that's a really relatable experience as well.

603
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: And then yeah, going back to what you said, Samantha,

604
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: there was a lot of conversation which we have talked

605
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: about before, around double standards and reviewing of movies, um

606
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: or entertainment in general, and especially yes, this Canadian like

607
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: white male writer really sparked it off all this backlash

608
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: from that because he called it limiting, which again, if

609
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: you like, I feel like so many times I've had

610
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: to point out to like white male friends of mine,

611
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: you're you're calling this like a women's only niche thing,

612
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: But how many things have we watched that are just

613
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: about white men, right, and you're centered and you don't

614
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: question that, and they're so often that women who liking

615
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: what is called masculine or men things are cool and

616
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: not just one of those girls. But if you have

617
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: the opposite, then those guys are too effeminate, and uh,

618
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: there's so much like toxic masculine that comes down. He

619
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: went on a whole new level of being racist as well,

620
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: obviously because he really wanted to talk about that that

621
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: no one's interested in Chinese culture, which when we look

622
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: at what's happening around the world today, Uh, there's enough

623
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Asian hate happening that we don't need that rhetoric a B.

624
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: But people still love and idealized and fetish size a

625
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: lot of Asian cultures today and appropriate a lot of

626
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Asian culture today to the point of like they want

627
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: to erase Asian history and the heritage by taking it

628
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: over and claiming it as their own. And so this

629
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: level of conversation, even though I'm sure in his mind

630
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: he really thought it was just gonna be a puff

631
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: piece moving on, this is my opinion, was capeful rhetoric

632
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: and what he was saying, and how really kind of

633
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: ignorant it was in general again to be like, Wow,

634
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be a worldly journalist, critique, critic, and

635
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: you took this point of view as if you're talking

636
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: to your family, who you may have raised to not

637
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: care outside of your own white narrative. So that says

638
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: a lot about you. But don't be in public platforms

639
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: and don't think you're gonna get away with it, which

640
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad he didn't, right, But one of the most

641
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: infuriating things that happened from that and from like because

642
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't the only one by far who wrote something

643
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: that was like, oh god, periods. Um. There was a

644
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: Reddit post one of my friends alerted me too when

645
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: I was telling her how much I love this movie

646
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: about it not being appropriate for young children, and it

647
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: generated a lot of conversation and views and hits because

648
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: parents were saying, like, I've heard a lot about this movie,

649
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: is it appropriate for my children? And you and I

650
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: were texting about this after you watched it, and you

651
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: rightly pointed out, and others have rightly pointed out, um

652
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: that there are you know, other Disney movies about under

653
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: aged women marrying older men that are painted as romance

654
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: or being kissed while unconscious, uh well under age also

655
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: living with seven strangers while she was doing work, like

656
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: like word for the Hello. Um, yeah, that's absolutely right,

657
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: and part of that Reddit and and TikTok as well

658
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: has been uh circulated because I love the TikTok's um

659
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: as well, where conservative Christian men would sit up and say,

660
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: we didn't say it sit longer than three minutes in

661
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: this movie because not only does it show disrespect and

662
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: this is why according to the Bible, you should have

663
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: leave holding a freaking Bible and saying this is against

664
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: God's will essentially to a movie. Once again, that really

665
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: just it's age appropriate, Like that's the biggest Like it

666
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: was funny. Again, I think that was one of my

667
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: biggest complaints. When we were texting, it was like, at least,

668
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: this is age appropriate. Fanning over boys thirteen years old?

669
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I did. I have fan over some boys.

670
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: I love Jonathan Brandis with my whole being and by yes,

671
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: I did r I by the way, but I adored him.

672
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: Chris o'donald, one of my biggest crush, thank you very much.

673
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: Has Yes, I haven't seen them recently, but you know whatever,

674
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: all of those things happened at the age of thirteen,

675
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: trying to and and much like her, and we're gonna

676
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: talk about this again. Much like Maine, she loved her

677
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: friends and her friends were people that she could be

678
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: herself with. I felt that to my core, when you

679
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: felt like you were hiding something from your family. And

680
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teenagers do this, if not all,

681
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: teenagers do this. Feel the need to be different at

682
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: home than they do with their friends, and that level

683
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: of love and acceptance is a whole different level. And

684
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: I remember feeling this way, Like I told my friends

685
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: when I was going through hard times before I told

686
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: my family. Uh, they knew when I was in trouble

687
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: before my family. They knew the dirtiness that happened to

688
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: my past before my family. Like all of those things

689
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: were there because I loved my friends and trusted them

690
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: because they were my chosen family. Of course, there's some

691
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: ridiculous rhetoric and betrayal and drama that happens with friend groups,

692
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: but that's that will of being that age, and that's

693
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: what this this portrayed it so amazingly to me as well. Again,

694
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: the other Disney movies that we have seen and I

695
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: love them, still taught kids to grow up in a

696
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: way to be these subservient princesses. The have to be

697
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: all of these things in order to find my perfect prints,

698
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: which what is that conversation? Once again, it wasn't until

699
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: the new terms happened that we started seeing a progressive

700
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: for conversation of maybe our whole goal isn't to find

701
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: the perfect man. Yeah, yeah, we should come back and

702
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: talk about that. Because there was that huge controversy with

703
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: um Brave as well because she was like lesbian, maybe

704
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: because she didn't want to get buried at I don't

705
00:40:53,719 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: know fifteen, so right, something wrong there. It's the same

706
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: way with Incanto that we talket like she's a young girl.

707
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: I think everybody figured out she was like what fifteen,

708
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh, she's at age. But even in

709
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: that rhetoric, she still was finding herself and being her

710
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: own hero and finding herself away from our family, which

711
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: doesn't he is really into right now, I know, And

712
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: that's fine. Well, I didn't hear that many complaints about

713
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: her rebelling against her family as much as I heard

714
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: about this one. I think this one is too close

715
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: to home because they see their own kids doing this

716
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: right now because they again we're gonna talk about this

717
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: is with religion and women, I know, But that whole

718
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: idea of like if you suffocate them enough, they're going

719
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: to grow up to be the mini version of you.

720
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: But in the end they're their own humans, and oftentimes

721
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: that pushes kids away. And that's kind of that same conversation.

722
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: You can have the best intent, if you're doing this

723
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: out of other reason other than just trying to let

724
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: them be their best selves, then it's gonna probably blow

725
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: up in your face. Uh, this kind of characteristic is happening,

726
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: and it has happened. Uh, that's what we talked about

727
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: with teenage rebellion, girls rebelling any of those rebellion when

728
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: their expectations laid upon them. And it's unrealistic because you're

729
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: projecting all of that to say this is a real

730
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: honest and I think people are really scared of honest. Yes,

731
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to young girls and sexuality, which

732
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: we've talked about a lot um. And so you know,

733
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: I have to talk about fan fiction because you know,

734
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: because after this movie came out and there was all

735
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: this freaking out about it, the hashtag at thirteen got

736
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: over one million treats and it was about fan fiction

737
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: people were writing at thirteen. So people were like, no, yeah,

738
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: this is right, Like, yeah, I definitely snuck in some

739
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: of those realm Its books that I saw my friend's parents.

740
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: Yes you did, Yes you did. And it's been really

741
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: interesting because, like the creators have been very open about,

742
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, their own fan fiction experiences. They're just been

743
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: fandom in general of like really crushing over this band

744
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. I felt it was very Backstreet

745
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: Boys band, but you know, I'm gonna go with in

746
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: sync with the Wh'll have to get ahold of it.

747
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: If you're listening, please let them know. Women gain developers

748
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: specifically start. They wrote about how writing fan fiction helped

749
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: them start their career as part of this conversation, and I,

750
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: as I alluded to at the top, I related to

751
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: this so hard because I had Yes a Green Day

752
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: fan fiction about high save Billy Joe's life and then

753
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: he fell in love with me. Obviously I wrote it

754
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: when I was like fourteen, and then I've had fan fiction,

755
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: not that one, but other fan fiction that I written.

756
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: I had one read by my mom accidentally and one

757
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: read by a friend of my brothers accidentally, and it

758
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: was humiliating, like so that part I was like, oh

759
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: my god, yes, when her mom throws down the images

760
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, that she drawn of her and

761
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Devon and Devon's got a mermaid tail. I was like,

762
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: oh god, this is ite um to this. I was

763
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: freaking out. I was like, I gotta text everyone. I know,

764
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: I need some distraction. Um. But it was like, I

765
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: think we're so uncomfortable with young girls sexuality and fan

766
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: girls of of bands, specifically in this case. You know,

767
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: we don't give them a chance to express these things,

768
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: and this is one of the few places that a

769
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: lot of young girls feel safe to express this sexuality,

770
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: of these emotions they're feeling in a way like again,

771
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: this band is singing you know, you don't know you're beautiful,

772
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: You're the best thing ever, whatever, and in your mind,

773
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: like I love that that imagination sequence may have where

774
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: she's imagining like marrying Robert, going to his concert, meeting

775
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: him and marrying him, and like that's never gonna happen, right,

776
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: But it's like a nice it allows you to kind

777
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: of experience it in a safe way. Right. Oh. I

778
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: definitely thought Lance Bass was gonna tell me he loved me,

779
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh wait, he definitely not. Definitely not.

780
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: Multiple reasons, many reasons why. But that was like I

781
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: loved I loved the boy band aspect of this movie

782
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: because I felt like the creators clearly went through it

783
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: and experienced it. I related to it so hard. So

784
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: many of us do, I mean, come on again, as

785
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: I said and saying growing up, it was definitely nucas

786
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: on the block. Uh, there were some of my favorites.

787
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: There are so many bands that are like yeah, give

788
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: me that. But my niece loved One Direction. She was

789
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: a huge, huge fan of One Direction. BTS is like

790
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: a huge name and has a giant fandom, like giant fandom,

791
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: and maybe she is kind of using them as well

792
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: because we know that that has gone on to be

793
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: like a big love. But boy bands have been around

794
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: since the Partridge Family, the Monkeys, the Beatles, all of them.

795
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: It has been a thing way back when, Like we know,

796
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: there's a love for boys who crew at us about

797
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: how much he could love us and how amazing we

798
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: are as women, as I'm sure young boys as well

799
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: those who are queer communities. Like yeah, that was for

800
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: me too. Absolutely, I think that's what we needed. New

801
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: is like again, this is why I think this movie

802
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: scared so many conservatives. It was too real. They want

803
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: to keep it the fantasy where they hope that they

804
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: is no, they can't ever reach it, but pretend to

805
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: be perfect. This doesn't tell them they have to be perfect.

806
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, oh gosh, I love it. Um. I

807
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: also love that Billie Eilish was a part in writing

808
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: this song since she was a huge fan of boy

809
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: bands growing up and she loved some justin Bieber. She

810
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: understood the assignment. It is clear. Um. I love that

811
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: there is the parallel of you know, the period thing

812
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: of like becoming a woman, which we have talked about

813
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: in his problematic in his own way, but of for them,

814
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: for these like four friends. They keep saying like we're

815
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: going to go into this concert girls and we're gonna

816
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: leave women. I love that. I love like all this

817
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: commentary around like having to hide your burgeoning sexuality as

818
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: a girl, of like you don't say you like gyrating

819
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: stripper music, as Abby's guardians call it. Hiding stuff under

820
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: the bed I felt was very like kind of reminiscent

821
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: of boys hiding porn under the bed. Did you have

822
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: a stash of things that you had? I did have

823
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: a stat of things. Again, it was like highly innocent champiction,

824
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: but yes, I did have, and actually some boy pant

825
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: CD said I was embarrassed to have I had, and

826
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: I did want to say I did have. This exact

827
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: same thing of trying to convince that the parents, the

828
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: guardians to let me and five friends go see Green Day.

829
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: They all said no. We came up with a plan.

830
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: We told that we were going to go tour Vanderbilt College.

831
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: We tricked one of the other parents. We raised money

832
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: so they drove us to see the college. We kind

833
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: of lured him away with a football game Tennessee Titans.

834
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: He wanted to see. We stuck off the secret. Oh damn,

835
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: So your plan worked. It worked nice. See. The one

836
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: show that I can think of was when I was

837
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: in college, and so I would have had to pay

838
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: for myself. Well, I was about being caught up in

839
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: high school. Was the in Sync Jennet Jackson tour that

840
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: brought on in Sync for Velvet Rope Tour. But yeah,

841
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: we did not make it. That's amazing, It's yeah. So

842
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 1: I my mom I asked her what she thought about

843
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: this because this movie, because she'd watched it, and she

844
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: that was one of the first thing she brought up.

845
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: As she said it reminded me of you when you

846
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: were a kid. She loved it also side note, uh,

847
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: not really relevant, but I loved it so early two

848
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: thousand's like so many there's butterfly clips. There were those GigaPets.

849
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: The cell phones were like from that era that you know,

850
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: handheld video camera. Nice touch, nice touch, those butterfly clips.

851
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: I wore those two prom Oh oh wow nice. I

852
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: still have fine. I don't know why. I also want

853
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: to mention we talked about this recently in our book

854
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Club of Women and salt Um. There are because we've

855
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of been talking about this as like a you know,

856
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: adolescent period metaphor, which it is, but it's also been

857
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: seen as like kind of inner generation trauma, which we

858
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: also saw differently but similarly in Incanto, which is another

859
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: issue where people kept comparing it conto and turning red

860
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: and other people were like, let them both be like,

861
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: we don't have to pit them up against each other.

862
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: But I saw that for some people the red panda

863
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: representing kind of like more traditional culture and then may

864
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: being more like you know, third generation. Well we don't

865
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: even know, but like an immigrant in America Canada, I

866
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: keep doing that immigrant in Canada kind of molding melding

867
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: with you know, boy bands are American culture, Western culture

868
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and that's kind of the beauty

869
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: of when their songs match at the end of the

870
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: chance at the boy band. That whole thing of being

871
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: like the perfect immigrant representing your culture or race, which

872
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: we had the host of ethnically ambiguous um while back,

873
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: come on and talk about that. So if you want

874
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: to listen to that episode, it's really good. But yeah,

875
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: I like the Panza being sort of this cultural trauma,

876
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: something hidden from So from the articles I read, the

877
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: idea is like it's hidden from people who are immigrants

878
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: until you get older and then it's like all this

879
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: historian trauma. Though, I mean, there's definitely a long conversation

880
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: of assimilation when it comes to specifically UH immigration refugees

881
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: who this is specific to Asian culture. We're supposed to

882
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: be model minorities for any Western id so that means

883
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: we assimilate to whatever Western cultural ideas there are. And

884
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: I will say I really did love that they were like,

885
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: we are proud to be part of this, but not

886
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: the whole of this, because that makes us so different.

887
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: We don't want that to be a hindrance for us

888
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: to thrive and be what is successful here? Uh. And

889
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: when I say here, I'm talking about North America in general, Canada,

890
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: the US. UM. There's that level of conversation of fitting in, UM.

891
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: But for a lot of first generation second generation children,

892
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: it is that fine line of how do we fit

893
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: in and being ashamed of our own culture to being

894
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: still proud of making people proud in the family. Those

895
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: are that huge conversation. I do not know that the

896
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: personal experience completely. I just know the assimilation part and

897
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: now trying to find and backtrack and find it. But

898
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: I can understand that level of wanting to fit in

899
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: and what does that look like and then also carrying

900
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: the weight of whatever has happened in your family UM,

901
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: and knowing that it can be passed out and and

902
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: not that it aligns. But like the Appalachia family, which

903
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: is a newer category in the past saving fifteen years,

904
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: kind of holds that same ideas of keeping your tradition,

905
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: fitting in, but at the same time bringing dishonor and

906
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: harming your family name by doing something that does not

907
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: align with their traditions. Yeah, yeah, UM for sure. And

908
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: I think that that's a good segue into what something

909
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: else we wanted to talk about, which is the mother

910
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: daughter relationship. In this movie. You have like Ming's relationship

911
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: with her mother, but at the heart of it, besides

912
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: like the friendship, is Ming's relationship with me Ma's relationship

913
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: with Meing. And I found a really interesting quote from

914
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: she the director who she did Bow the short movie,

915
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: the short Pisar film. Um, she did that, and somebody

916
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: asked her why didn't she do that one about like

917
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: a mother daughter and she said she needed a whole

918
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: movie to unpack mother daughter relationship. Okay, And I like

919
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: that like dynamic between when all of the all of

920
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: May's aunts show up and they're all like, she's lost weight,

921
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: she's getting weight. Like, I feel like that that chatter

922
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: and all of this judgment, but it framed in a

923
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: way that's supposed to be nice. I feel like a

924
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: lot of us can relate to that. And then something

925
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: else I want to mention because I know, like you

926
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: said something about it, a lot of people have said

927
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: something about it's sort of this tiger mom thing. And

928
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: also the strategic incompetent dad, which is just something I

929
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: picked up on because we had recently talked about it.

930
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: But here's a quote from she You'll talk to any

931
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: first generation Asian kids, they do have the experience with it,

932
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: but stories about tiger moms that never explore why parents

933
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: are that way, and a lot of the time it's

934
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: from the creator's own past experiences, so that I do

935
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: really like that. You watch it and you're mad the

936
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: mom and they're like, you don't get it. You're so

937
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: touch like you're you're all right, and the and it

938
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: gives her that sort of beautiful you see her as

939
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: a kid, and you see her influences, and you see

940
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: her with her mom and how her her mom's relationship is,

941
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: so they kind of like it was definitely I got

942
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: that vibe to you. But then I like that at

943
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: least they gave her she was a well rounded character,

944
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: and they gave her like the backstory of why she

945
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: was this way, and a lot of this also has

946
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: like I had a lot of questions because I'm like, Okay,

947
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: we know this is a stereotype, we know this is

948
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: something that we want to address because is it a

949
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: stereotype or is it again a personal experience that she

950
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: just really wanted to convey A redemption arts which which

951
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: we talked about if in this way of learning to

952
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: allow a child to grow, but in it all, it's

953
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: all out of love, and it's literally how much she

954
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: loves her daughter and how much she wants for her daughter.

955
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: Not that she's ever disappointed and that never comes out.

956
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: It's just always I love you so much and you're

957
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: the most amazing and her daughter fulfilling that as well

958
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: and finding each other's best friends. We talked about that

959
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: with our own parents, with my mother own mother who's

960
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: not Asian but really wanting to put all of that

961
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: those dreams on her own daughter and hopes that they

962
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: can grow to that point of finding just as much love,

963
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: all of that different things, but it is because she

964
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: loved her so much and everything was in her mind

965
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: for her daughter. The typical stereotype that we see instead

966
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: of that is often just like the very distant push away.

967
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: But that wasn't this case at all, and you see that.

968
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: Of course the grandmother kind of portrays that, but we

969
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: don't know the history about what happened and all of that.

970
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: In trying to control it in disciplining or in discipline

971
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: in general life, uh, in trying to control yourself and

972
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: have others control themselves and what that looks like. But yeah,

973
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: it definitely was a little different. I will say the

974
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: dad here, Yeah, I felt like it was a little

975
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: bit more more of a stereotype too. But at the

976
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: same time, like he's doing the cooking, he's the emotional

977
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: support said when he's needed, and he will always and

978
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: he's always watching in the background about what he needed. Yeah,

979
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: and I like at the end when he has that

980
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: really powerful insight, I thought that was great. It was

981
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: just something like because we just talked about it, I

982
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: was like, is this it? And then at the end

983
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't, no, not really anyway. And

984
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: I also wanted to include this quote from she the

985
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: red Panda is a metaphor not just for puberty, but

986
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: also what we inherit from our mom's and how you

987
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: deal with the things that we inherit from them. So

988
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: I love that. Um. Also, as we've been talking about

989
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: this whole time, the real heart of this is the

990
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: friendships between the four girls, and I think we have

991
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: just sung the praises of how great it is to

992
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: have support from women, to have good friends that aren't toxic,

993
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: which unfortunately all have friendships at this age can be.

994
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: But to have these like good friends who see you

995
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: and I love that May is able to control the panda.

996
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: She thinks of her friends and how they hold her

997
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: and uh, they'd say, like you're number one in our hearts, girl,

998
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: like they always are just there for her, and it's

999
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: so sweet, right, um, And I will say I have

1000
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: been the friend I've thought about this before that the

1001
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: parent disapproved of. But the parent came and realized I

1002
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: was like an anchor for them and and found love

1003
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: for me much like this story. But I do again.

1004
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: We've talked about how friendships are so important to us

1005
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: and this I loved seeing this being centered around them

1006
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: and um, not having them in a bad light, but

1007
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: the main character in the bad light and trying to

1008
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: see her grow out of it. It wasn't really refreshing,

1009
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: It was really refreshing. And I like that they had

1010
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: their their fight but they were able to overcome it

1011
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of times I feel like that lasts longer,

1012
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: but in this they were like, now we're such good friends,

1013
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: we can do this. We have to get past it. Yeah. Um,

1014
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: So we're not going to go into this too much

1015
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: right now, but I did want to mention because it's

1016
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: a big piece of this conversation. When this movie came out,

1017
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: as you said, it did have a traditional theatrical release,

1018
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: even though Disney has for most of the movies in

1019
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: the past few months, given that two movies they've released, um,

1020
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: they barely gave it any publicity, despite the fact that

1021
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: the casted crew really pushed back UM. And I think

1022
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: that's pretty telling. I think that's pretty damning. And then

1023
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: also this was happening around the time of like don't

1024
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: say gay in Florida and Disney, the president of the

1025
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: CEO especially having like really problematic or not great uh

1026
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: statements that he made and a lot of reversals that

1027
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: were even worse somehow, so Pixar employees in response to

1028
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: that said that they've been pushed to act queer stories

1029
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: from movies, and I believe that one was asked from

1030
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: this one because because of this whole thing. So there's

1031
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: that piece of it, and that's something we are gonna

1032
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: we definitely need to come back and talk about because

1033
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot there. But in the meantime, I did

1034
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: want to end this on I really love the message

1035
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: of embracing yourself and all the messy sides of yourself.

1036
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: And I really love that they captured that part about

1037
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: a lessons that's like the sadness of moving on. I

1038
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: like at the end how she has that like I'm

1039
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: sad things are changing, but I'm excited that it's changing,

1040
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: because I think that's so accurate, Like it is sad

1041
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times when things change, but that's life,

1042
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: like things change. Yeah. Yeah, just a part of the

1043
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: growing up because I definitely ruminous about times. I'm like, oh,

1044
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: this was such a great period of time, and then

1045
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: you grow and you're like, wow, you sometimes you did

1046
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: you felt that, you felt that change happening and you

1047
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: knew what's coming, but you had to embrace it, but

1048
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: growing together with better. I also love the ending where

1049
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: they all had to like take new talisman's yeah, and

1050
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't what they all chose. So the mom ming

1051
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: got the gig up at or the little digital pet,

1052
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: which was quite funny. I was like, why does she have? Oh? Okay,

1053
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: And then the grandmother who got the number four from

1054
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: the concert because you know, she had nothing else and

1055
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: it's unlucky. Uh, and she already talked about that. But

1056
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: I love that they all kind of progressed and moved

1057
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: on again, that they each had the choice of how

1058
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: they wanted to move on, and I think that was

1059
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: really important to see as well. Me too. I love

1060
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: this movie. I love this girl. Watch it if you

1061
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. It's excellent. It's very very sweet, and

1062
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: as always, we do have a lot of movies, as

1063
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: we said, lined up, but we're always looking for suggestions,

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