Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: All Right, guys, so welcome to another week of wind Down.
Speaker 1: I've got neighbor Pam with me. I'm here. UM, So
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to just throw a curveball on
Speaker 1: this podcast. I have had a lot of people, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of stuff in the news lately,
Speaker 1: one being obviously Britney Spears, which I feel bad even
Speaker 1: talking about because did you see the documentary I did,
Speaker 1: And it's just like, I just want people to leave
Speaker 1: her alone, like my heart. I mean, she's just so
Speaker 1: scrutinized and it's yeah, like it just I feel bad,
Speaker 1: But we are like and I feel like such a hypogram,
Speaker 1: leave her alone. Let's talk about it on today and
Speaker 1: wind dumb. But I do feel like there's so much
Speaker 1: stuff out there, so you know, we just wanted to
Speaker 1: get the people on that can just give us some
Speaker 1: more understanding because I have a lot of questions around it. UM,
Speaker 1: But we're going to have UM an editor, you're an
Speaker 1: editor who has been reporting on all things, and then
Speaker 1: a lawyer just to kind of catch us up to
Speaker 1: speed and help us understand what a conservatorship is. UM.
Speaker 1: And also yeah, but I do just feel bad because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm friends with her sister, Jamie Lynn. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn wrote, um, I got the boy, and I
Speaker 1: I texted Jamie when I heard all this stuff um
Speaker 1: in the media, and it just you know, I basically
Speaker 1: just said, like, I'm praying for you and your family.
Speaker 1: I think I know we don't know the full truth
Speaker 1: of anything, and so just know that, like I'm here
Speaker 1: as a friend, supporting you, caring about you, praying for you.
Speaker 1: And she wrote back, you know, a sweet message, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, you don't need to say anything. You
Speaker 1: don't need to explain nothing to me. Like I'm just
Speaker 1: literally saying, we don't know, like y'all like your family,
Speaker 1: that is y'all's business. And unfortunately, I can't even imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, being in that situation and the things that
Speaker 1: like they're being so off to even Jamie Lynn, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's just like there's a lot that we
Speaker 1: probably don't know. I mean, they're just a family in pain,
Speaker 1: just like a lot of us have, you know, these
Speaker 1: situations with families, but like nobody looks at them like
Speaker 1: that and they don't get that grace or that you know,
Speaker 1: understanding your kindness and it's sad. Yeah, and so again
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's Again I'm sure there's a lot we
Speaker 1: don't know. And you know, my friendship to Jamie, I
Speaker 1: would never ever dare to even ask, and that's not
Speaker 1: my business. And that's why I'm like, I feel bad
Speaker 1: talking about her sister because we're friends. But again, I
Speaker 1: think it's just I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, you know, it's like, what
Speaker 1: are her rights and like if somebody is being you know,
Speaker 1: how you can have kids Like I think that's where
Speaker 1: it kind of struck us, as like you know, being
Speaker 1: women and them saying that she can't get the iu
Speaker 1: D removed or get married. I mean, that's where that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have Ashley Editor coming on very soon.
Speaker 1: And then also I'm gonna throw a little curveball because
Speaker 1: when I was on Daily Pop, apparently the government is
Speaker 1: going to disclose that there are UFOs what so for that,
Speaker 1: I know, so um, all things Brittany and UFOs coming
Speaker 1: up next. Okay, So to kind of help break this
Speaker 1: down a little bit, since I mean I've only just
Speaker 1: seen what I've read and heard and stuff. But we
Speaker 1: have Ashley Collins, who's actually the business editor for the
Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter, who's reporting on all things Brittany. So let's
Speaker 1: get her in and let's chat about it. Ashley, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on wind Down. Okay, can
Speaker 1: you just get us up to speed on all things Brittany.
Speaker 1: So in the Brittany conservatorship world, people had always kind
Speaker 1: of speculated whether or not she was okay with the arrangement. Uh,
Speaker 1: closest sources close to her would say that she was unhappy.
Speaker 1: The fans would be dissecting every little thing, very little thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even you know, I was watching when I was watching
Speaker 1: that documentary too, it's like, Wow, They're like she said
Speaker 1: this word or it's like put this. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: like they really went deep into it. Yeah, she posted
Speaker 1: three red pictures in a row. This is an s
Speaker 1: OS Like her Instagram was like an Easter egg hunt
Speaker 1: for people who were trying to figure out whether or
Speaker 1: not she was okay. And so this week was the
Speaker 1: first time she's ever publicly talked about it, and we
Speaker 1: think that this is the first time that she talked
Speaker 1: about it. So in the fall, a few things happened,
Speaker 1: there was a push to make her dad less involved
Speaker 1: and share sort of the business aspect of the conservatorship up.
Speaker 1: And also her lawyer said in a filing for what
Speaker 1: I believe was the first time that this has been
Speaker 1: voluntary this whole time, And so I think that may
Speaker 1: have been when she found out that it was voluntary,
Speaker 1: based on some of the things she said this week,
Speaker 1: and I think she was just done and ready to
Speaker 1: speak her side of the story. I guess I just
Speaker 1: don't understand, like, how how I mean, at thirty nine,
Speaker 1: could she even be involved in a conservatorship because isn't
Speaker 1: it mostly for people who are a lot older and
Speaker 1: can't speak or Yeah, it's very confusing for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons. It's been going on for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I think part of the issue is this hasn't
Speaker 1: really happened before, at least not to anyone high profile.
Speaker 1: There are I'm sure people who are similarly situated who
Speaker 1: we don't hear about because the private people. But you're right,
Speaker 1: this is generally something that is put into place to
Speaker 1: help older individuals as they start to physically and mentally decline,
Speaker 1: and typically these end when that person dies. And so
Speaker 1: having somebody who's been in a situation like this one
Speaker 1: out of it isn't something that happens very often. So
Speaker 1: what do you think that will we hear from Jamie
Speaker 1: a side the dad on why or you know what
Speaker 1: her because you know, I mean, I if I'm watching
Speaker 1: her Instagram, she's clearly not the Brittany that I've grew
Speaker 1: up with. I mean, she seems you know, I I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know you know her
Speaker 1: health or what her um mental state is. I mean,
Speaker 1: is there something where that will come out to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is in her best interest to not have another baby,
Speaker 1: you or even though I don't think it's right to
Speaker 1: have anyone control their body, having said that, if they're
Speaker 1: not physically capable, Like, I don't know, Yeah, the Instagram
Speaker 1: situation is strange. I agree that it doesn't seem like her,
Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting to see how that changes moving forward,
Speaker 1: like if her posts do become a little bit more
Speaker 1: like what we would expect from her, and maybe this
Speaker 1: was just a cry for help the whole time. I'll
Speaker 1: be interested to see what her dad says now. Because
Speaker 1: they took a twenty minute recess so that his side
Speaker 1: could comment, and then it was like a lame, one sentence,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry she feels this way. Basically, the medical stuff
Speaker 1: is interesting and very sad, and it could very well
Speaker 1: be that they're in a situation where she does want
Speaker 1: to have another kid and her family is questioning whether
Speaker 1: or not she should do that. But again, like they do,
Speaker 1: do they do like yearly mental evaluations or something like
Speaker 1: who is saying and how are they saying that she's incapable?
Speaker 1: So the tough that's a tough question because there is
Speaker 1: a court of investigator assigned to Brittany who's basically her
Speaker 1: job is to make sure that this is working for her.
Speaker 1: Those reports are confidential, so we don't know other than
Speaker 1: seeing on the docket. It will pop up, but there's
Speaker 1: no way to tell what they found. So The New
Speaker 1: York Times referenced one from a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: in a story earlier this week that was leaked, and
Speaker 1: she told the investigator then that she wanted to get out,
Speaker 1: and the investigator passed that information along, but apparently they
Speaker 1: determined at the time that it wasn't right. I don't
Speaker 1: think Brittany formally petitioned to get out of it, but
Speaker 1: she at least made her wishes known then, and so
Speaker 1: now she's saying she out and she doesn't want them
Speaker 1: to do any kind of psych evaluation because she feels
Speaker 1: like she's seeing too many strange therapists and psychiatrists. And
Speaker 1: yet it may be tough for her to prove that
Speaker 1: she's ready to run her own life without taking that step.
Speaker 1: But she's still working and like making her own money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she's what is she working on? Because she says
Speaker 1: she's not gonna tour and obviously she's gonna have she's
Speaker 1: you know, I think over the past however many years
Speaker 1: it's been twenty year, I don't know, fifteen years that
Speaker 1: it's been, she's worked that whole. How long has the
Speaker 1: conservaship it's worked the entire time? Um, I mean that's
Speaker 1: showing capability. The only thing is is like I look
Speaker 1: back and it's like, okay, thirteen years from then. Again,
Speaker 1: just watching her Instagram, it just seems like she has
Speaker 1: continued to mentally maybe not be there in my like
Speaker 1: this is where I'm just this would be terrible. But
Speaker 1: like I'm like, what are they giving her? Are they
Speaker 1: giving her these pills or are they giving her something
Speaker 1: to like make her like which is just awful to
Speaker 1: think about. But you think, you know, I mean, look
Speaker 1: at Michael Jackson or or wasn't what didn't he get
Speaker 1: like fed pills? I mean, you see these people that
Speaker 1: are just given things because they're under this. They either
Speaker 1: trust the doctor or they trust this you know, their
Speaker 1: father or whatever. It's like you just you don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just but watching the decline has been
Speaker 1: like super sad. Obviously as someone you know, a huge,
Speaker 1: huge fan of her and the whole situation, and she
Speaker 1: seemed way more together when this first happened. So that's
Speaker 1: where I just some kind of like, uh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a tough situation. And obviously she feels like the people
Speaker 1: around her weren't listening to her and weren't doing what
Speaker 1: was in her best interest. But I would like to
Speaker 1: believe that they at least thought they were. But part
Speaker 1: of the issue here is anytime you're dealing with mental health.
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't want to diagnose her um,
Speaker 1: but she said this week that she knows she doesn't
Speaker 1: at least need some therapy, that there's stuff going on
Speaker 1: who doesn't. We're all we all have. Sometimes people in
Speaker 1: that situation immediately turned to medication, and not every medication
Speaker 1: is right for every person, and so it could have
Speaker 1: been a situation where they're like, Okay, well she's not
Speaker 1: getting quote unquote better, so let's try more or let's
Speaker 1: try different, instead of listening to what she said wasn't
Speaker 1: wasn't working. Yeah, I mean, I just I had a
Speaker 1: similar A friend was telling me about like this intervention
Speaker 1: they had on one of these artists who they just
Speaker 1: they tried one thing, one pill, and the doctor just
Speaker 1: kept giving the medicine. Because it's like when you get
Speaker 1: these rock docks, they'll just give you. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could call a doctor and be like, hey I need
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, great, they don't they don't really
Speaker 1: see what else you're taking or this and then the other,
Speaker 1: so it's like they're sometimes they just keep adding and
Speaker 1: finally they're like you can't even walk on stage, like
Speaker 1: you like you got to clean out all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And so it's just scary and like, yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: like like you said, like you want to hope that
Speaker 1: someone is doing it for their best interest, but when
Speaker 1: there's I don't know again, I'm like, maybe it's just
Speaker 1: because where I'm at my life, I'm like hard time
Speaker 1: trusting anyone right now. But I'm like with all that money,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like how do they decide, I mean,
Speaker 1: if they can, they can be reversed, and like when
Speaker 1: would we will we know anything? So there's not like
Speaker 1: a hard deadline, but there is a hearing set for
Speaker 1: next month. I can't remember the date off the top
Speaker 1: of my head, and I'm sure that the judge is
Speaker 1: going to ask for some kind of status update because
Speaker 1: her response was Okay, well, clearly you want out of this,
Speaker 1: like please put it in writing. But there was also
Speaker 1: a bit of a discussion about her wanting to hire
Speaker 1: her own lawyer, which is complicated because in the conservatorship,
Speaker 1: like the conservatorship has to hire her lawyer, so which
Speaker 1: actually makes no sense because I mean, she should be
Speaker 1: able to hire her own like, so then the institution
Speaker 1: that is, you know, she's she should be able to
Speaker 1: have her own lawyer. Yeah, And the tricky thing is, though,
Speaker 1: if they decide that she's well enough to have her
Speaker 1: a lawyer, then that kind of immediately answers the question
Speaker 1: as to whether she's well enough to be in this situation.
Speaker 1: So I'm this hasn't happened before, at least not in
Speaker 1: the public eye, So I would expect that in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks will see some kind of a
Speaker 1: petition filed. I don't know how her family is going
Speaker 1: to react to it. I don't know if there I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just say, Okay, let's let you out of it
Speaker 1: and see what happens, or if they're going to want
Speaker 1: her to be evaluated to make sure that she's ready,
Speaker 1: because I think if they thought she was, they would
Speaker 1: have said, okay, it's time to end this. But again,
Speaker 1: not who knows what's going on in any of their heads.
Speaker 1: It just makes me sad again the you know, we're
Speaker 1: hearing that she couldn't have another kid or get married.
Speaker 1: It's like that that broke my heart because it's who
Speaker 1: for anybody to be restricted from that just cruel. It's
Speaker 1: just yeah, that that that, like, of all the stuff
Speaker 1: I was like that one just I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine like that. That's just awful. But I mean, where,
Speaker 1: what are what are your kind of like final thoughts
Speaker 1: on this? Actually, Like do you think you know because
Speaker 1: you don't know. Like you said, it's never it's never
Speaker 1: been like this. Do you think that she you know,
Speaker 1: she she will be able to get out even though
Speaker 1: it's never been like this. I hope so, because it's
Speaker 1: clearly not working for her, and the point of this
Speaker 1: is to help the person, right, So if her family
Speaker 1: wants to help her and the people around her want
Speaker 1: to help her, and she's saying, this isn't helping me,
Speaker 1: this is making things worse, then you would hope they
Speaker 1: would find some way to end it while still maybe
Speaker 1: giving her some kind of support. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that looks like. I I would imagine that
Speaker 1: this will be messy. I unfortunately do not think this
Speaker 1: is going to be a clean like she files one
Speaker 1: petition and her family says great, and the investigator says great,
Speaker 1: and then it's just done. I expect that this is
Speaker 1: going to drag out for a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: hope that everyone involved is at least being mindful of
Speaker 1: what she said this week and actually you know, hearing
Speaker 1: just listening. Yeah, they need to listen to her too,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and put things into action. And it just
Speaker 1: makes me sad, Like from watching that documentary too, it's
Speaker 1: just everyone. And I even't feel bad at having this conversation.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's always just talking about her and like,
Speaker 1: you know, picking on her, and it's just her life
Speaker 1: is just spin. I remember actually sat on an airplane
Speaker 1: next to Larry her at the time. It was her
Speaker 1: um manager um, and he was just like, look over
Speaker 1: and he's told me that you know, he worked with
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, and he's like, look right out the window
Speaker 1: airplane window right now. He's like, every single person knows
Speaker 1: who Britney Spears. Is not one person out there does
Speaker 1: not know who she is. And I'm like, man, like,
Speaker 1: just having America Ripper apart and again watching that documentary,
Speaker 1: I just felt I felt awful for It's like, can
Speaker 1: people just stop controlling her? And yeah, that's why she
Speaker 1: lost her mind. I mean, you got a jug right here.
Speaker 1: I mean she's Hamlin's got a mug that says Britney
Speaker 1: survived two thousand seven, you can survive today. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, she's I feel terribly. Let her
Speaker 1: just live her life. Life is hard enough without everyone
Speaker 1: in the world having an opinion about how you're living yours.
Speaker 1: Amen to that. Well, actually, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on and keep giving us the real news. Okay,
Speaker 1: I will thanks, all right, thanks. Okay, Now we are
Speaker 1: going to bring on Benny, and Benny is a she's
Speaker 1: a lawyer, UM last fifteen years, so we're going to
Speaker 1: just kind of ask her on the law side, um,
Speaker 1: what she thinks about all of this. Hey, how are
Speaker 1: you good? How are you guys good? Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on. Wine down. So we just got
Speaker 1: off with Ashley. He was a reporter that's been kind
Speaker 1: of following all the Britney stuff and on the law side,
Speaker 1: we just have so many questions, So if it's cool,
Speaker 1: can we just jump right on in absolutely? Okay? How
Speaker 1: can a thirty nine year old be in a conservatorship?
Speaker 1: So basically there's a triggering event um, which was her
Speaker 1: um what a lot of people call like, you know,
Speaker 1: psychiatric breakdown thirteen years ago where um, you know, this
Speaker 1: was like right after she had had her babies, and
Speaker 1: you know, the documentary that that we all saw sort
Speaker 1: of explains that UM and typically conservator ships are literally
Speaker 1: to concern of a human being when there is a
Speaker 1: threat that they cannot you know, manage their own personal
Speaker 1: decisions and their own financial affairs. So the court literally
Speaker 1: appoints another person UM to manage that those decisions so
Speaker 1: that the person who is being conserved, called the conservative
Speaker 1: UM is conserved and UM, you know, they're they're protected
Speaker 1: from basically a host of bad things that can happen
Speaker 1: to them. And typically the conservatorship you know, last until
Speaker 1: like the person dies, because it's usually for like older people.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I think this case is kind
Speaker 1: of a little bit more unique. Absolutely, you you hit
Speaker 1: the nail right on the head there. UM. Traditionally and
Speaker 1: commonly conservatorships are for for elderly disabled adult olds UM.
Speaker 1: And so this is a case that is very unusual
Speaker 1: in that UM, what started out as potentially UM a
Speaker 1: temporary measure to protect her has turned into like a
Speaker 1: very restrictive UM life long you know, like commitment UM
Speaker 1: to be conserved and have somebody else make the decisions
Speaker 1: for you UM. And certainly, I think normally the way
Speaker 1: a conservatorship terminates is when a person dies. So this
Speaker 1: case raises a question of she's thirty nine years old
Speaker 1: and hopefully she has many many many decades ahead of her,
Speaker 1: and is she going to be under this conservatorship until
Speaker 1: she dies. Clearly, um, you know that's problematic from a
Speaker 1: standpoint of somebody who potentially had an issue and needed
Speaker 1: to be conserved but no longer UM needs that. This
Speaker 1: is probably I have to really stupid questions. One she
Speaker 1: said she had an I U d M and she
Speaker 1: just go to the guy in cologist herself and be like,
Speaker 1: take my I D out because like it's not like
Speaker 1: she walks around with her conservatorship paperwork saying like, well
Speaker 1: it says right here that I have to keep this
Speaker 1: in Like can she just be like enough f that,
Speaker 1: like I want this I D out. So it's it's
Speaker 1: really it's it's not a dumb question. Actually, that's something
Speaker 1: that really struck out to me when reading her transcript,
Speaker 1: is that important reproductive choices. We're being like the conservatorship
Speaker 1: controls her rights, uh you know, her like reproductive rights,
Speaker 1: which uh it seems you know, really unusual. And the
Speaker 1: other like really unusual aspect of it is. Um. So,
Speaker 1: so I don't know that I don't have all the
Speaker 1: information to exactly answer that question about whether she has
Speaker 1: that freedom. Certainly, based on her words, she does not
Speaker 1: at least feel like she has that freedom or she's
Speaker 1: been told she doesn't have that freedom to just deny
Speaker 1: that and say no, I don't want, you know, this
Speaker 1: device that prevents me from procreating. UM. The other unusual
Speaker 1: aspect of it when I read the interview was, you know,
Speaker 1: she mentioned being administered lithium. And from my uh, you
Speaker 1: know knowledge of the law and conservatorships is that you
Speaker 1: cannot force someone to take a psychiatric medication without a
Speaker 1: different type of conservatorship like those are usually called LPs conservatorships.
Speaker 1: And I'll admit that I'm not really familiar with all
Speaker 1: the details of this particular conservatorship, but to my knowledge,
Speaker 1: at least what's publicly available I'm not aware of, they're
Speaker 1: also being an LPs conservatorship over um MS spears. Do
Speaker 1: you do you think she'll be able to get out? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, I think that nobody can doubt, you know,
Speaker 1: the eloquent and powerful way in which she delivered her
Speaker 1: statement to the court. I do believe that. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: she has definitely started that conversation and saying something like
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I could terminate this conservatorship. UM.
Speaker 1: You know the best thing about this particular cases that
Speaker 1: it happens to be before a judge that is amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's probably one of the best judges on
Speaker 1: in the probate court in Los Angeles, So she is
Speaker 1: not going to let a statement like that go without
Speaker 1: actually exploring to see, you know, what needs to happen, like,
Speaker 1: do do restrictions need to be lifted? Does this conservatorship
Speaker 1: need to be terminated? Like all of those conversations have
Speaker 1: now started and are well underway. Another really stupid question,
Speaker 1: but because the conservatorship was her father, you know, her
Speaker 1: father was the person doing it, isn't I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a guardian. So it's like, I mean, why would you
Speaker 1: have to put a conservatorship when you're a parent, Because
Speaker 1: when you guardianships are from in her children, your parents
Speaker 1: is your minor. And then when you're an adult and
Speaker 1: if you need to be conserved and somebody needs to
Speaker 1: be made your decision, then you become a conservatore to
Speaker 1: to be able to have that official authority. Got it,
Speaker 1: got it, got it? Got it? Well, thanks for your insight.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Yeah, you know your stuff. Of
Speaker 1: course we're gonna have We're gonna have you back on.
Speaker 1: We got some more law questions for you. Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: all right by girl. Well, I just because how do
Speaker 1: I say? It's in my twisted movie brain and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's probably paying off the judges. He's gonna pay off
Speaker 1: this person, because it's just I think money ruins families
Speaker 1: for sure. But I just hope and pray that whatever
Speaker 1: is meant to be, and I just hope that she
Speaker 1: gets the help, she gets what she wants, and there's
Speaker 1: just support because I mean, again, we don't know the
Speaker 1: full the full situation. I think, you know, the very least.
Speaker 1: Just people just need to listen to her words. Yes,
Speaker 1: very well said. Okay, it's the moment we've all been
Speaker 1: waiting for. Um UFOs pamelin Do you think they are real? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I thought for sure you're gonna say no.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, here we go. I do
Speaker 1: you do you think there's so many like unexplained weird
Speaker 1: things that have happened that that's the answer for me.
Speaker 1: So if you think there's UFOs, that means that there's aliens.
Speaker 1: So what kind of like, wow, do you which alien
Speaker 1: do you? Because there's been a lot of alien movies,
Speaker 1: So what does that alien look like to you, like
Speaker 1: who's flying the UFO flying the ship? Right? I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's Tom Cruise. Is it like the it's
Speaker 1: a similar like similar to human? Oh you think it's
Speaker 1: human like not like they like Rihanna, they resemble humans,
Speaker 1: but like you know, like a body in arms and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Okay, So like if we're talking
Speaker 1: um Will Smith Independence Day, is it like body arms
Speaker 1: like that or do you think it really has like
Speaker 1: our kind of flesh? And I mean I think it's
Speaker 1: more it's just like you know what, I'm visualizing my head.
Speaker 1: Who who am I to even? Like no, but I
Speaker 1: just like visualized like it really almost like an like
Speaker 1: they're a hundred years old looking, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just like really like thin and like just Crawley, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Do you think people have been abducted by aliens?
Speaker 1: I mean people say they have listen to their words,
Speaker 1: listen to their words, like who are we to say? True?
Speaker 1: I mean the guy and again Independence Day, he was
Speaker 1: he saw it coming. I one thousand percent believe that
Speaker 1: there's aliens. I'm I believe in all of it. I
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts, I believe in area what what's the
Speaker 1: area fifty fifty something? You are together? That's Oh, I
Speaker 1: think it's something like that. That's area fifty one. I think, well,
Speaker 1: I believe the government has been hiding that stuff for
Speaker 1: us for years. Yeah, Area fifty one. I mean, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, where is it? Let's go do it? Um Mark,
Speaker 1: do you believe in aliens? I believe in aliens in
Speaker 1: the grand sense of the universe, Like if the universe
Speaker 1: is intimate, I don't believe it's possible that there couldn't
Speaker 1: be some other form of life somewhere, just by the
Speaker 1: definition of infinity. But I don't know that. I believe
Speaker 1: that we've been visited, and I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: it might be like, you know, if you picture a
Speaker 1: beach and we're a grain of sand in Huntington's Beach
Speaker 1: and the aliens are on a grain of sand in
Speaker 1: Newport Beach, like they're never going to find each other.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like that kind of a situation Easton.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of them, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if I I just feel like, um, we must be
Speaker 1: so primitive to any anything that has the ability to
Speaker 1: come to Earth, Like I feel like it would be like, uh,
Speaker 1: why why make like I'm not out there trying to
Speaker 1: make contact with the squirrel on my on my fence,
Speaker 1: you know, because he has nothing to offer me. So
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know. I feel like they're
Speaker 1: out there, but they're not going to bother Earth because
Speaker 1: it's like, what do we have for them? You know, everything,
Speaker 1: every ever anything. We've got food, we've got technology, we've
Speaker 1: got Earth. I mean even Jolie said the other just
Speaker 1: like I love our planet, Like our planet is great,
Speaker 1: it's great, Yeah, but like for an elevated life for him,
Speaker 1: I mean, they must have bigger fish to fry, that's
Speaker 1: what stuff. Yeah, oh they want they want that. Do
Speaker 1: we know that? I mean they're probably, Yeah, they're insane,
Speaker 1: amnicable of aret eating all those tiros, you know, like
Speaker 1: they're they're they're loving it. Although I feel like they
Speaker 1: look like the ones from Oh God it was It
Speaker 1: wasn't an be a quiet place. That's that's how I imagine.
Speaker 1: I did see a thing in the news where they're
Speaker 1: like extraterrestrials are probably landed on Earth. But get this,
Speaker 1: their bacteria and they're single cells, and I'm like, that's stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's lame. That's uninteresting. Yeah, that's super uninteresting because obviously,
Speaker 1: like I, I believe in that stuff too. But I
Speaker 1: do think that we are not alone. I agree, oh um,
Speaker 1: but we have a UFO. I think he's like a
Speaker 1: specialist on the UFOs. He's his name is Nick Pope
Speaker 1: and he's a former UK Ministry of Defense employee. So um,
Speaker 1: he goes on record and talks all about his beliefs
Speaker 1: and opinions and um, he's a basically a UFO investigator.
Speaker 1: So I'm very interested to see, uh what he has
Speaker 1: to say about that, because when that came up on
Speaker 1: Daily Pop, I was like, yes, I want to know more. Um,
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Speaker 1: Listen to I Am all In wherever you listen to podcasts. Nick, Yes, Hello,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm hello. Oh the accent. Yes, Hillo,
Speaker 1: it's so nice to meet you. Likewise likewise, So, we
Speaker 1: were just having the great debate about UFOs, and I've
Speaker 1: been told that the government is going to release some
Speaker 1: UFO information. Do you know anything about that? Yes, it
Speaker 1: is supposed to be today. Stop really yeah, absolutely, Um,
Speaker 1: there are rumors flying around, there are leaks coming out
Speaker 1: of Washington d C. I mean, this report was requested
Speaker 1: from Director of National Intelligence by the Senate Intelligence Committee,
Speaker 1: and today is the deadline. So if it's any later
Speaker 1: than today, they will have missed that deadline. So we'll
Speaker 1: watch and wait and hope. I mean, you obviously believe
Speaker 1: in UFOs, and have you seen a UFO Sadly, I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything myself, but I have investigated them for
Speaker 1: the British government and that's a job I did at
Speaker 1: the Ministry of Defense in the nineties. So so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this subject to me, and they can
Speaker 1: be few bigger or more profound questions than are we
Speaker 1: alone or not in the universe? And if we're not alone,
Speaker 1: my goodness, are we being visited? Have you what? What
Speaker 1: did you find from your investigations? Like that there that
Speaker 1: it is? There is, it's out there? Um, there's just
Speaker 1: something that you found that you would love to share
Speaker 1: about your investigation. Well, sadly, we didn't find a smoking gun,
Speaker 1: so I can't point you to any one piece of
Speaker 1: evidence that says this is a extraterrestrial But we had,
Speaker 1: and the US government has, and that's why I guess
Speaker 1: we're getting this report to Congress. A number of cases
Speaker 1: where these things have been seen by military pilots, tracked
Speaker 1: on radar, performing extraordinary speeds and maneuvers that we simply
Speaker 1: can't match. And obviously people are saying to themselves, look,
Speaker 1: whatever is going on, it's a figure out. Is it
Speaker 1: Russia or is it kinda or is it somewhere a
Speaker 1: little further away. We need to find out. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you do you believe that an alien is flying
Speaker 1: that UFL? I hope so of of I mean aliens.
Speaker 1: Aliens would be far more interesting than Russians. So of
Speaker 1: all the theories that are out there, I think it's
Speaker 1: the most intriguing. And I'm not sure this report just
Speaker 1: because governments just don't come out and say, hey, people,
Speaker 1: there's aliens. So I'm not sure that this report to
Speaker 1: Congress is going to say that. It will probably say, well,
Speaker 1: we haven't found any evidence, but neither can we rule
Speaker 1: out the possibility we need to ramp up the effort
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on in ours guys, if
Speaker 1: and when that happens. What would you like to Ben? Like,
Speaker 1: what would you ask him? Like this is so weird,
Speaker 1: Like what would you want to know from like the
Speaker 1: alien species? Like what would be like the one thing
Speaker 1: like if you could like communicate with them, that would
Speaker 1: you would like want to know? I think if I
Speaker 1: could have just one question, I would say to them,
Speaker 1: what he is the most profound thing you have learned
Speaker 1: from your journey as a civilization. I would just speak insane,
Speaker 1: like I just hope they're nice, you know, like they go.
Speaker 1: If if they're not, we're in big trouble. Because, frankly,
Speaker 1: I mean, any any civilization with the technology to get
Speaker 1: here from there. Given the it, even our fastest space probes,
Speaker 1: if we'd aimed them at the nearest star aside from
Speaker 1: our own son, it would take seventy five thousand years
Speaker 1: to get there. So any civilization that's visiting us has
Speaker 1: technology orders of magnitude above and beyond anything we've got,
Speaker 1: so absolutely we'd better hope they're friendly, because if they're not,
Speaker 1: we're in big trouble. I mean when you say that, though,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, how is that really possible? Though,
Speaker 1: that like that far away there's I mean, I always
Speaker 1: think that we're not, like, we're not alone. I do
Speaker 1: believe that, But the fact that there's this other technology
Speaker 1: that's light years away, I mean, do you really truly
Speaker 1: think that's a possibility? Yes, I think so, There's there's
Speaker 1: nothing unless we thought that planet Earth was almost literally magical,
Speaker 1: I mean, and the more we find out about ourselves
Speaker 1: and the wider universe actually more ordinary. We leok, just
Speaker 1: just an ordinary, rocky little planet orbiting a fairly ordinary
Speaker 1: little star. And and there are hundreds of billions of
Speaker 1: stars just in our one galaxy, and then hundreds of
Speaker 1: billions of galaxies in the universe. You know, there was
Speaker 1: a scientific study last year and it was just a guess,
Speaker 1: and it came in with a really low number, and
Speaker 1: it said there might only be only thirty six alien
Speaker 1: civilizations in our galaxy. And then I did the math
Speaker 1: and I said, wait a minute, that means that in
Speaker 1: the known universe there would be seventy two trillion civilizations.
Speaker 1: And my goodness, look, if we just find one other civilization,
Speaker 1: it's such a game changer that that it would be
Speaker 1: beyond profound. That's what would science be able to like
Speaker 1: learn from that? I mean, what's like, why are we
Speaker 1: obsessed with, you know, knowing about it just because we
Speaker 1: can learn so much from how their civilization works? Yes,
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean one of the things that
Speaker 1: we hopefully would learn is the secret of a viable
Speaker 1: interstellar travel, so that we too could travel between the
Speaker 1: stars and visit other civilizations and not be in a
Speaker 1: situation where where it would just take it, as I say,
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand years to get to the nearest one.
Speaker 1: So so I'd love to acquire that technology, I suppose,
Speaker 1: and have a situation where that was something that humanity
Speaker 1: had access to. But who knows, I mean, pun intended,
Speaker 1: but the sky is the limit and and hopefully they
Speaker 1: would have insights for us that might help us um
Speaker 1: in our struggle to end and you know, starvation, disease, poverty,
Speaker 1: all sorts of problems. Yeah, well, Nick, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on. I appreciate all the insight and
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll we'll get some juicy details and we can
Speaker 1: fly up in a UFO together soon, well I hope,
Speaker 1: so look forward to it absolutely. Okay, thank you Nick
Speaker 1: so much, appreciate it. Sure thing by now. For more
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Speaker 1: well that was fascinating and um yeah, it's just I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be able to sleep tonight because I
Speaker 1: don't know if the kids a sleekend, So I don't
Speaker 1: think they'll hurt you. They would like love you, see,
Speaker 1: like I imagine that they look like the things from
Speaker 1: Quiet Place, but that they like they wrap you up
Speaker 1: in warm hugs, like they just want to be friends.
Speaker 1: Like I can't handle it anymore, Like no more meanness,
Speaker 1: no honestly, this is so morbid. Not morbid, but just weird.
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go into the countries that we
Speaker 1: have a hard time with and be like, why can't
Speaker 1: we just get along? Like what do you need? Like
Speaker 1: how can I help? Like like copy from trolls? That's you.
Speaker 1: I've never seen from trolls, and I do not like trolls.
Speaker 1: What I don't know? What's they're weird? Poppies amazing, not love?
Speaker 1: I like the cartoons were not cartoons, but like the movies,
Speaker 1: the kids movies, words like Riot, like that's a human being.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not like a big The only
Speaker 1: one that I like that's not that's Ferdinand, Like how
Speaker 1: could you not like Ferdinand? But like everything else, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't relate to I can't relate to a troll.
Speaker 1: I hate rolls. Trolls are made on the internet. I
Speaker 1: don't like trolls. I don't want to watch a movie
Speaker 1: about trolls. These ones like you know, like just throw
Speaker 1: confetti and love and they're sweet? What about toy Story?
Speaker 1: What he is? A So it's not my favorite. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you. It's it's not It's not my favorite,
Speaker 1: but he is still a semi person, you know, like
Speaker 1: because Woody and Buzz not too much. Mr Potato had
Speaker 1: in the Dinersy, that's where you lose me. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's where. That's where you honestly lose me. Um. But like,
Speaker 1: like up gotta love up. You know. Cars, No, don't
Speaker 1: like it. I don't. I don't relate to a car,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like it's like, how could I relate
Speaker 1: to Oh, sorry you didn't when you raise buddy, Like
Speaker 1: but yeah, any any like you know that's a that's
Speaker 1: actually a person. Like that's where you're gonna get me,
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna literally the only one is Ferdinand.
Speaker 1: That's that I like, Babe, huh that's the pig. Oh
Speaker 1: that's the best you've even seen it? That's old school.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe I shoot, I got ruined talking about
Speaker 1: dogs last time, so like she's a terrible person. She
Speaker 1: got I'm like, I don't get rid of them. Were
Speaker 1: just we're sharing custody, okay people parents, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean even I mean homeward Bound. I guess it's cute,
Speaker 1: but secret life of Pets No, I don't like it. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: but I will say this, there is one that's that
Speaker 1: I do like, but again very relatable because there it's
Speaker 1: a human form. Ish is sing, oh yeah, okay, because
Speaker 1: it's so long as they're people if they look like animals.
Speaker 1: But then there's trolls aren't real, they're just real and
Speaker 1: the Internet Zootopia. Do you like Zutopia? So that's what
Speaker 1: I was also going to say, is Utopia to where
Speaker 1: it's like, again it's human stuff that look they look
Speaker 1: more human. I don't know, Like I don't like the Grinch,
Speaker 1: Hate the Grinch, hate the Grine. They don't look like
Speaker 1: real people. They look as human as the character. Like
Speaker 1: the way they look. They freaked me out. They scared me.
Speaker 1: J Cramer hates Who's it's going to be the headline?
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I don't think they're relatable.
Speaker 1: I like Janna doesn't relate freak about it? Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I know, like the Simpsons they're yellow when they have
Speaker 1: over bites. Is that a problem? I don't get their humors.
Speaker 1: I never watched it. I agree, but it's not because
Speaker 1: of the humanoid nature of it. You just don't care.
Speaker 1: I will say also that too, like you know that
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, I don't. I don't like it, Like
Speaker 1: it has to be four fingers. Yeah, it has to
Speaker 1: be believable to me, you know. I mean, give me
Speaker 1: something else, like I'm talking a lad, like even like
Speaker 1: Beauting the Beast, like all those are great. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm having a tough one with Luca. I've only watched
Speaker 1: half of it. Joelian didn't like it. I didn't watch it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've only I've only gotten through half of it. But
Speaker 1: now give me like a movie like Riot, like when
Speaker 1: she says I'll take the first step, Like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I feel you, sister. Now we just rewatched a Little
Speaker 1: Mermaid this week? How do you feel about mermaids? Amazing?
Speaker 1: But they live underwater and they have fins. Isn't that
Speaker 1: a problem? But she has legs at the end turns
Speaker 1: into it. She makes the right decision in the end.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, this show is just turned super wacky. Um,
Speaker 1: I love you guys. Have a great one.