WEBVTT - Close Encounters 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:05.359 Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.440 All Right, guys, so welcome to another week of wind Down. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:13.480 I've got neighbor Pam with me. I'm here. UM, So 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.280 I kind of wanted to just throw a curveball on 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.520 this podcast. I have had a lot of people, I mean, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.280 there's been a lot of stuff in the news lately, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:28.240 one being obviously Britney Spears, which I feel bad even 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.920 talking about because did you see the documentary I did, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.479 And it's just like, I just want people to leave 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.800 her alone, like my heart. I mean, she's just so 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:41.200 scrutinized and it's yeah, like it just I feel bad, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.919 But we are like and I feel like such a hypogram, 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:45.760 leave her alone. Let's talk about it on today and 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.120 wind dumb. But I do feel like there's so much 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.680 stuff out there, so you know, we just wanted to 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.240 get the people on that can just give us some 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.920 more understanding because I have a lot of questions around it. UM, 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.600 But we're going to have UM an editor, you're an 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.920 editor who has been reporting on all things, and then 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.600 a lawyer just to kind of catch us up to 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.679 speed and help us understand what a conservatorship is. UM. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.640 And also yeah, but I do just feel bad because 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.840 I'm I'm friends with her sister, Jamie Lynn. I mean, 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.520 Jamie Lynn wrote, um, I got the boy, and I 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.080 I texted Jamie when I heard all this stuff um 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.640 in the media, and it just you know, I basically 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.720 just said, like, I'm praying for you and your family. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:32.039 I think I know we don't know the full truth 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.480 of anything, and so just know that, like I'm here 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.399 as a friend, supporting you, caring about you, praying for you. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.399 And she wrote back, you know, a sweet message, and 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:43.880 I'm like, girl, you don't need to say anything. You 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.959 don't need to explain nothing to me. Like I'm just 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.840 literally saying, we don't know, like y'all like your family, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.240 that is y'all's business. And unfortunately, I can't even imagine, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.520 you know, being in that situation and the things that 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.240 like they're being so off to even Jamie Lynn, and 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.480 I'm like, it's just like there's a lot that we 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.480 probably don't know. I mean, they're just a family in pain, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.920 just like a lot of us have, you know, these 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.080 situations with families, but like nobody looks at them like 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.920 that and they don't get that grace or that you know, 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.560 understanding your kindness and it's sad. Yeah, and so again 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.080 I'm sure there's Again I'm sure there's a lot we 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.120 don't know. And you know, my friendship to Jamie, I 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.919 would never ever dare to even ask, and that's not 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.680 my business. And that's why I'm like, I feel bad 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.679 talking about her sister because we're friends. But again, I 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:38.040 think it's just I don't even know what it is. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.200 I mean I feel like, you know, it's like, what 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.840 are her rights and like if somebody is being you know, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.839 how you can have kids Like I think that's where 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.880 it kind of struck us, as like you know, being 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.240 women and them saying that she can't get the iu 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.480 D removed or get married. I mean, that's where that's crazy. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.839 So we're gonna have Ashley Editor coming on very soon. 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.960 And then also I'm gonna throw a little curveball because 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:11.520 when I was on Daily Pop, apparently the government is 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:19.040 going to disclose that there are UFOs what so for that, 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:23.360 I know, so um, all things Brittany and UFOs coming 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:37.360 up next. Okay, So to kind of help break this 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.080 down a little bit, since I mean I've only just 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.240 seen what I've read and heard and stuff. But we 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.240 have Ashley Collins, who's actually the business editor for the 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.360 Hollywood Reporter, who's reporting on all things Brittany. So let's 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.680 get her in and let's chat about it. Ashley, thank 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.080 you so much for coming on wind Down. Okay, can 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.320 you just get us up to speed on all things Brittany. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:04.920 So in the Brittany conservatorship world, people had always kind 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:09.640 of speculated whether or not she was okay with the arrangement. Uh, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.360 closest sources close to her would say that she was unhappy. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.479 The fans would be dissecting every little thing, very little thing. Yeah, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.919 even you know, I was watching when I was watching 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.919 that documentary too, it's like, Wow, They're like she said 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.320 this word or it's like put this. I'm like, that's 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.400 like they really went deep into it. Yeah, she posted 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.719 three red pictures in a row. This is an s 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.120 OS Like her Instagram was like an Easter egg hunt 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.919 for people who were trying to figure out whether or 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:41.000 not she was okay. And so this week was the 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.520 first time she's ever publicly talked about it, and we 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.400 think that this is the first time that she talked 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.200 about it. So in the fall, a few things happened, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.880 there was a push to make her dad less involved 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.160 and share sort of the business aspect of the conservatorship up. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.479 And also her lawyer said in a filing for what 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.440 I believe was the first time that this has been 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:12.800 voluntary this whole time, And so I think that may 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.360 have been when she found out that it was voluntary, 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.160 based on some of the things she said this week, 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:23.480 and I think she was just done and ready to 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.280 speak her side of the story. I guess I just 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.479 don't understand, like, how how I mean, at thirty nine, 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.280 could she even be involved in a conservatorship because isn't 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.760 it mostly for people who are a lot older and 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:43.800 can't speak or Yeah, it's very confusing for a lot 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.839 of reasons. It's been going on for a long time, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:52.000 and I think part of the issue is this hasn't 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.240 really happened before, at least not to anyone high profile. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.000 There are I'm sure people who are similarly situated who 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.479 we don't hear about because the private people. But you're right, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.520 this is generally something that is put into place to 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:13.000 help older individuals as they start to physically and mentally decline, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:19.719 and typically these end when that person dies. And so 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.320 having somebody who's been in a situation like this one 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.480 out of it isn't something that happens very often. So 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.960 what do you think that will we hear from Jamie 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:35.360 a side the dad on why or you know what 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.520 her because you know, I mean, I if I'm watching 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:43.200 her Instagram, she's clearly not the Brittany that I've grew 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.279 up with. I mean, she seems you know, I I don't. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.200 I don't know, like I don't know you know her 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:53.520 health or what her um mental state is. I mean, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.880 is there something where that will come out to be like, hey, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.920 this is in her best interest to not have another baby, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.520 you or even though I don't think it's right to 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.520 have anyone control their body, having said that, if they're 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:13.040 not physically capable, Like, I don't know, Yeah, the Instagram 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:18.440 situation is strange. I agree that it doesn't seem like her, 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.640 and it'll be interesting to see how that changes moving forward, 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.240 like if her posts do become a little bit more 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.400 like what we would expect from her, and maybe this 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.040 was just a cry for help the whole time. I'll 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:35.320 be interested to see what her dad says now. Because 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.200 they took a twenty minute recess so that his side 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.480 could comment, and then it was like a lame, one sentence, 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.600 I'm sorry she feels this way. Basically, the medical stuff 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.280 is interesting and very sad, and it could very well 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.880 be that they're in a situation where she does want 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.760 to have another kid and her family is questioning whether 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.760 or not she should do that. But again, like they do, 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.720 do they do like yearly mental evaluations or something like 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.040 who is saying and how are they saying that she's incapable? 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:16.200 So the tough that's a tough question because there is 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.600 a court of investigator assigned to Brittany who's basically her 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.440 job is to make sure that this is working for her. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:30.320 Those reports are confidential, so we don't know other than 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.760 seeing on the docket. It will pop up, but there's 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.320 no way to tell what they found. So The New 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.560 York Times referenced one from a couple of weeks ago 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:40.800 in a story earlier this week that was leaked, and 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.240 she told the investigator then that she wanted to get out, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.440 and the investigator passed that information along, but apparently they 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:52.480 determined at the time that it wasn't right. I don't 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.600 think Brittany formally petitioned to get out of it, but 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.920 she at least made her wishes known then, and so 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.520 now she's saying she out and she doesn't want them 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.679 to do any kind of psych evaluation because she feels 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.680 like she's seeing too many strange therapists and psychiatrists. And 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.400 yet it may be tough for her to prove that 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.400 she's ready to run her own life without taking that step. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.319 But she's still working and like making her own money. Yeah, 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.160 so she's what is she working on? Because she says 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.080 she's not gonna tour and obviously she's gonna have she's 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.000 you know, I think over the past however many years 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.439 it's been twenty year, I don't know, fifteen years that 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.319 it's been, she's worked that whole. How long has the 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:44.360 conservaship it's worked the entire time? Um, I mean that's 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.640 showing capability. The only thing is is like I look 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.560 back and it's like, okay, thirteen years from then. Again, 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.319 just watching her Instagram, it just seems like she has 0:09:55.520 --> 0:10:00.160 continued to mentally maybe not be there in my like 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.160 this is where I'm just this would be terrible. But 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.200 like I'm like, what are they giving her? Are they 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.600 giving her these pills or are they giving her something 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.280 to like make her like which is just awful to 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.800 think about. But you think, you know, I mean, look 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.480 at Michael Jackson or or wasn't what didn't he get 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.600 like fed pills? I mean, you see these people that 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.600 are just given things because they're under this. They either 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.080 trust the doctor or they trust this you know, their 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.600 father or whatever. It's like you just you don't. I 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.120 don't know, it's just but watching the decline has been 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.439 like super sad. Obviously as someone you know, a huge, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.920 huge fan of her and the whole situation, and she 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.360 seemed way more together when this first happened. So that's 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.319 where I just some kind of like, uh, yeah, it's 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.120 a tough situation. And obviously she feels like the people 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.080 around her weren't listening to her and weren't doing what 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.720 was in her best interest. But I would like to 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.600 believe that they at least thought they were. But part 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.120 of the issue here is anytime you're dealing with mental health. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.479 First of all, I don't want to diagnose her um, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.440 but she said this week that she knows she doesn't 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.760 at least need some therapy, that there's stuff going on 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:16.040 who doesn't. We're all we all have. Sometimes people in 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:22.679 that situation immediately turned to medication, and not every medication 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.240 is right for every person, and so it could have 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.760 been a situation where they're like, Okay, well she's not 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.240 getting quote unquote better, so let's try more or let's 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:37.360 try different, instead of listening to what she said wasn't 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.200 wasn't working. Yeah, I mean, I just I had a 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.480 similar A friend was telling me about like this intervention 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.320 they had on one of these artists who they just 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.280 they tried one thing, one pill, and the doctor just 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.319 kept giving the medicine. Because it's like when you get 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.040 these rock docks, they'll just give you. I mean, I 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.800 could call a doctor and be like, hey I need 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.240 and they're like, okay, great, they don't they don't really 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.360 see what else you're taking or this and then the other, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.720 so it's like they're sometimes they just keep adding and 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.600 finally they're like you can't even walk on stage, like 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.360 you like you got to clean out all this stuff. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.160 And so it's just scary and like, yeah, of course, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:11.960 like like you said, like you want to hope that 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.440 someone is doing it for their best interest, but when 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.280 there's I don't know again, I'm like, maybe it's just 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.280 because where I'm at my life, I'm like hard time 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.960 trusting anyone right now. But I'm like with all that money, 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.839 and I don't know, like how do they decide, I mean, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.200 if they can, they can be reversed, and like when 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.120 would we will we know anything? So there's not like 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.560 a hard deadline, but there is a hearing set for 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.800 next month. I can't remember the date off the top 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.880 of my head, and I'm sure that the judge is 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.199 going to ask for some kind of status update because 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.800 her response was Okay, well, clearly you want out of this, 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.920 like please put it in writing. But there was also 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.440 a bit of a discussion about her wanting to hire 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.960 her own lawyer, which is complicated because in the conservatorship, 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.000 like the conservatorship has to hire her lawyer, so which 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.000 actually makes no sense because I mean, she should be 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.559 able to hire her own like, so then the institution 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.480 that is, you know, she's she should be able to 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.079 have her own lawyer. Yeah, And the tricky thing is, though, 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.600 if they decide that she's well enough to have her 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.800 a lawyer, then that kind of immediately answers the question 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.599 as to whether she's well enough to be in this situation. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.600 So I'm this hasn't happened before, at least not in 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.960 the public eye, So I would expect that in the 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.240 next couple of weeks will see some kind of a 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.360 petition filed. I don't know how her family is going 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:40.920 to react to it. I don't know if there I'm 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.520 gonna just say, Okay, let's let you out of it 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.880 and see what happens, or if they're going to want 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:52.160 her to be evaluated to make sure that she's ready, 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:56.480 because I think if they thought she was, they would 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.000 have said, okay, it's time to end this. But again, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.360 not who knows what's going on in any of their heads. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.080 It just makes me sad again the you know, we're 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.560 hearing that she couldn't have another kid or get married. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.800 It's like that that broke my heart because it's who 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.720 for anybody to be restricted from that just cruel. It's 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.280 just yeah, that that that, like, of all the stuff 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.800 I was like that one just I mean, I can't 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.560 even imagine like that. That's just awful. But I mean, where, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.080 what are what are your kind of like final thoughts 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.200 on this? Actually, Like do you think you know because 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.120 you don't know. Like you said, it's never it's never 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.200 been like this. Do you think that she you know, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.280 she she will be able to get out even though 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:47.960 it's never been like this. I hope so, because it's 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.120 clearly not working for her, and the point of this 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.480 is to help the person, right, So if her family 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.360 wants to help her and the people around her want 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.960 to help her, and she's saying, this isn't helping me, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.400 this is making things worse, then you would hope they 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:07.600 would find some way to end it while still maybe 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.960 giving her some kind of support. You know, I don't 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.600 know what that looks like. I I would imagine that 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.960 this will be messy. I unfortunately do not think this 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.520 is going to be a clean like she files one 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.760 petition and her family says great, and the investigator says great, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.000 and then it's just done. I expect that this is 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.440 going to drag out for a little bit. But I 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:38.480 hope that everyone involved is at least being mindful of 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.200 what she said this week and actually you know, hearing 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.480 just listening. Yeah, they need to listen to her too, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.800 and yeah, and put things into action. And it just 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.120 makes me sad, Like from watching that documentary too, it's 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.480 just everyone. And I even't feel bad at having this conversation. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.720 It's like everyone's always just talking about her and like, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.680 you know, picking on her, and it's just her life 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.280 is just spin. I remember actually sat on an airplane 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.760 next to Larry her at the time. It was her 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:10.280 um manager um, and he was just like, look over 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:11.880 and he's told me that you know, he worked with 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.480 Britney Spears, and he's like, look right out the window 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.160 airplane window right now. He's like, every single person knows 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.600 who Britney Spears. Is not one person out there does 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.280 not know who she is. And I'm like, man, like, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:29.200 just having America Ripper apart and again watching that documentary, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.480 I just felt I felt awful for It's like, can 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.760 people just stop controlling her? And yeah, that's why she 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.400 lost her mind. I mean, you got a jug right here. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.160 I mean she's Hamlin's got a mug that says Britney 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.360 survived two thousand seven, you can survive today. It's like, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.040 you know, I mean, she's I feel terribly. Let her 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.400 just live her life. Life is hard enough without everyone 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.680 in the world having an opinion about how you're living yours. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.240 Amen to that. Well, actually, thank you so much for 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.560 coming on and keep giving us the real news. Okay, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.920 I will thanks, all right, thanks. Okay, Now we are 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:07.119 going to bring on Benny, and Benny is a she's 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:11.159 a lawyer, UM last fifteen years, so we're going to 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.600 just kind of ask her on the law side, um, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.200 what she thinks about all of this. Hey, how are 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.280 you good? How are you guys good? Thank you so 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.440 much for coming on. Wine down. So we just got 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.840 off with Ashley. He was a reporter that's been kind 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.240 of following all the Britney stuff and on the law side, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.840 we just have so many questions, So if it's cool, 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.000 can we just jump right on in absolutely? Okay? How 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.160 can a thirty nine year old be in a conservatorship? 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.760 So basically there's a triggering event um, which was her 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.000 um what a lot of people call like, you know, 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:48.239 psychiatric breakdown thirteen years ago where um, you know, this 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.439 was like right after she had had her babies, and 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.960 you know, the documentary that that we all saw sort 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:59.360 of explains that UM and typically conservator ships are literally 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.040 to concern of a human being when there is a 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.040 threat that they cannot you know, manage their own personal 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:12.280 decisions and their own financial affairs. So the court literally 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:18.360 appoints another person UM to manage that those decisions so 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.240 that the person who is being conserved, called the conservative 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:27.840 UM is conserved and UM, you know, they're they're protected 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:32.760 from basically a host of bad things that can happen 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:38.520 to them. And typically the conservatorship you know, last until 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.960 like the person dies, because it's usually for like older people. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.640 And so that's why I think this case is kind 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:51.840 of a little bit more unique. Absolutely, you you hit 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.720 the nail right on the head there. UM. Traditionally and 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:01.040 commonly conservatorships are for for elderly disabled adult olds UM. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.439 And so this is a case that is very unusual 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.760 in that UM, what started out as potentially UM a 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.320 temporary measure to protect her has turned into like a 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:20.280 very restrictive UM life long you know, like commitment UM 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.920 to be conserved and have somebody else make the decisions 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:27.320 for you UM. And certainly, I think normally the way 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:32.320 a conservatorship terminates is when a person dies. So this 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.400 case raises a question of she's thirty nine years old 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.320 and hopefully she has many many many decades ahead of her, 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.119 and is she going to be under this conservatorship until 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:47.119 she dies. Clearly, um, you know that's problematic from a 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.600 standpoint of somebody who potentially had an issue and needed 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.879 to be conserved but no longer UM needs that. This 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.600 is probably I have to really stupid questions. One she 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.240 said she had an I U d M and she 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.239 just go to the guy in cologist herself and be like, 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.760 take my I D out because like it's not like 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.560 she walks around with her conservatorship paperwork saying like, well 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.159 it says right here that I have to keep this 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.520 in Like can she just be like enough f that, 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:16.440 like I want this I D out. So it's it's 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.000 really it's it's not a dumb question. Actually, that's something 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.320 that really struck out to me when reading her transcript, 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:29.800 is that important reproductive choices. We're being like the conservatorship 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:34.959 controls her rights, uh you know, her like reproductive rights, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:39.080 which uh it seems you know, really unusual. And the 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.480 other like really unusual aspect of it is. Um. So, 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.399 so I don't know that I don't have all the 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.160 information to exactly answer that question about whether she has 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:52.440 that freedom. Certainly, based on her words, she does not 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.400 at least feel like she has that freedom or she's 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.119 been told she doesn't have that freedom to just deny 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.440 that and say no, I don't want, you know, this 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:05.639 device that prevents me from procreating. UM. The other unusual 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.399 aspect of it when I read the interview was, you know, 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:13.320 she mentioned being administered lithium. And from my uh, you 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:17.119 know knowledge of the law and conservatorships is that you 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:22.359 cannot force someone to take a psychiatric medication without a 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:26.800 different type of conservatorship like those are usually called LPs conservatorships. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:31.400 And I'll admit that I'm not really familiar with all 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.240 the details of this particular conservatorship, but to my knowledge, 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.879 at least what's publicly available I'm not aware of, they're 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:43.960 also being an LPs conservatorship over um MS spears. Do 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.400 you do you think she'll be able to get out? Um? 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.199 You know, I think that nobody can doubt, you know, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:55.359 the eloquent and powerful way in which she delivered her 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.480 statement to the court. I do believe that. UM. You know, 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:04.280 she has definitely started that conversation and saying something like 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.280 I didn't know that I could terminate this conservatorship. UM. 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.719 You know the best thing about this particular cases that 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.960 it happens to be before a judge that is amazing. 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.200 I mean, she's probably one of the best judges on 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.199 in the probate court in Los Angeles, So she is 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.920 not going to let a statement like that go without 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.359 actually exploring to see, you know, what needs to happen, like, 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.400 do do restrictions need to be lifted? Does this conservatorship 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.840 need to be terminated? Like all of those conversations have 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:40.159 now started and are well underway. Another really stupid question, 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.679 but because the conservatorship was her father, you know, her 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:50.600 father was the person doing it, isn't I mean, he's 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.320 a guardian. So it's like, I mean, why would you 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:58.080 have to put a conservatorship when you're a parent, Because 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:04.040 when you guardianships are from in her children, your parents 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.800 is your minor. And then when you're an adult and 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.000 if you need to be conserved and somebody needs to 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.120 be made your decision, then you become a conservatore to 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:16.040 to be able to have that official authority. Got it, 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.840 got it, got it? Got it? Well, thanks for your insight. 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:23.280 I really appreciate it. Yeah, you know your stuff. Of 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.919 course we're gonna have We're gonna have you back on. 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:29.760 We got some more law questions for you. Sure, okay, 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:34.399 all right by girl. Well, I just because how do 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.239 I say? It's in my twisted movie brain and I'm like, oh, 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.120 he's probably paying off the judges. He's gonna pay off 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:44.680 this person, because it's just I think money ruins families 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:50.600 for sure. But I just hope and pray that whatever 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.040 is meant to be, and I just hope that she 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.399