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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Drive on Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: It is Draft week. It is Draft week. Happy Draft Week,

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Speaker 1: Happy Draft Week to you. It's it's like the final

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Speaker 1: you know, just the final twelve days of Christmas. Here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's always a crazy week because I mean, rumors fly

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Speaker 1: around and we should believe half of them, but I

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Speaker 1: don't even know if half of them. Probably, but they

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Speaker 1: make for a good conversation. A week ago, I always

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Speaker 1: thought it was tough, like it's pretty downtime. Or this week,

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Speaker 1: the the the molecules started moving a little faster and

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Speaker 1: everything is a little bit ramped up. Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And as usual, Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert held their

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Speaker 1: pre draft press conference in person. How about that first day,

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Speaker 1: the first in person event the Steelers have had since

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Speaker 1: last year's NFL scouting combine. Wow, very cool. And so

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Speaker 1: it was the first press conference I've been to h

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Speaker 1: quite a while. Uh, lots of stuff that they covered there.

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Speaker 1: I assume you guys were all massed up and everything,

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Speaker 1: but in sort of distance but it was like pretty

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Speaker 1: close to press conference. We did it that hines Field

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Speaker 1: instead of their UNC facility. But h what's up? Why

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Speaker 1: would they there's more room to spread out. Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: a bigger Yeah, I got you. Um. So, Kevin Colver

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Speaker 1: talked about, you know, how this pandemic has changed things.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about this. Whereas last year you had

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Speaker 1: the scouting combine, you had the All Star games, but

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Speaker 1: then no pro days, but you were pretty far into

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Speaker 1: it then you were pretty Yeah, you had a pretty

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Speaker 1: good idea. This year year it was the exact schools

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Speaker 1: a year. And that's the other thing he talked to me.

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Speaker 1: He said, this year the only time the scouts could

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Speaker 1: you still weren't a lot of talk to practice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he said they saw every How did they put it?

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Speaker 1: He said, they saw they had a scout at least

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Speaker 1: one game for every draftable prospect except for six. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Now that's on their list, right, I mean, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean there's four hundred names. It's probably two names, right right,

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Speaker 1: So that I mean that that leads me to believe

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Speaker 1: who are on their list because those guys didn't play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you didn't go to Trade Lance's first game,

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Speaker 1: you didn't go, you didn't see him or only game,

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Speaker 1: I would assume I would assume they were at that one. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but for Quinn Miners, you didn't see Quinn

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Speaker 1: see were So play. You don't, Penny So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I emprised there's not more than six. I asked him

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Speaker 1: specifically about that again, about the count the opt outs. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, he told us last summer that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you would value the opt outs a little

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Speaker 1: differently than you would value the guys who did play.

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Speaker 1: And he said that's still the case that you know,

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Speaker 1: if it's close or if they have a similar grade,

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Speaker 1: that they would value the player who played more recently

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Speaker 1: over the over the player who had not, because he

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, we don't know how long it's

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Speaker 1: gonna take that player who didn't play to get up

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Speaker 1: to speed. We don't know how long it takes. So

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't get you don't you know if

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Speaker 1: you go without playing football for a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: or even a year. It's gonna take your time to

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Speaker 1: get get your feedback on these two. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: Walker Little is a massive example, and I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why he didn't do the Senior Bowl. Maybe it was

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Speaker 1: because of that, because look bad, Yeah, I haven't played

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Speaker 1: And if these guys are just coming off of a

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Speaker 1: regular season, yeah, I think all along we've kind of said.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jamaar Chase is probably difference in pennies, probably different,

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Speaker 1: and he brought those guys. He's like, look, there's guys

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Speaker 1: and great, you know, but but the third fourth rounders,

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Speaker 1: And I understand why these guys did, but it couldn't

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Speaker 1: He did not, And I hadn't really thought about this

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Speaker 1: leaving college to go start working out, or I'm signing

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Speaker 1: with an agent, at which point you're done. You might

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Speaker 1: have not opted out, you might not have opted out,

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Speaker 1: but then you didn't have a choice because you're, you know,

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Speaker 1: a month into the process, your schools now we're we're

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Speaker 1: actually gonna picks you get some games out there. Right,

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Speaker 1: So those conferences kind of screwed those kids a little bit.

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Speaker 1: They absolutely did. I mean, such a strange year, but

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Speaker 1: that's a great example of you know, not the rules

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Speaker 1: changed on the fly, you know so, but still, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I feel bad for them, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm using my fifth round pick on you

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Speaker 1: instead of somebody else to play the same position. Now

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Speaker 1: be one of those cases where to me, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: because we think he's really talented. God bless him. Um,

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Speaker 1: clearly more athletic. I think that's where that comes into play,

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Speaker 1: about It's funny, we're just saying the same thing, Like

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Speaker 1: mean at least she saw the Senior Bowl. Though he

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Speaker 1: he was fantastic. Yeah, but if you're I don't know

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Speaker 1: I think I think it was unlimited this year? But

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Speaker 1: It's almost as many as that's close. You know, guys

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Speaker 1: our medical staff, calling around and talking to people who

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Speaker 1: they who they know who've dealt with these kids. So

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Speaker 1: a tackle that I have a twentieth overall grade on

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Speaker 1: at thirty, I'll take him, you know, I agree, But

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Speaker 1: centers aren't. At the same time, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: it did slow down the offensive tackle free agency. There's

428
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Speaker 1: a few out there, there's still some out there. But

429
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Speaker 1: it was curious to me that the obviously that the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs look at that and said, well, Orlando Brown's we

431
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Speaker 1: know what he is. We know he's a start. He

432
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Speaker 1: can he can play left tackle in this league. So

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Speaker 1: that's worth the thirty first pick in the draft for us.

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Speaker 1: And I think the other factor there too is there's

435
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Speaker 1: a lot more not prototypical lefts. You know, like Kevin

436
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Speaker 1: Jenkins is really nice player, but he's probably be more

437
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Speaker 1: of more of a typical right Eikenberg is a little

438
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: short armed, you know, probably better on the right guard.

439
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: Brown isn't a prototypical left. Yeah, but he just showed that.

440
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Speaker 1: He just showed that he could do it, like I

441
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Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. Yeah, you know, athletically, if you if

442
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Speaker 1: you looked at him athletically next to these guys in history, Yeah,

443
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: he's not even close. Id And I think he's a

444
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Speaker 1: good player, And I think that's a good trade for

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. And their line looks dramatically different than when

446
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Speaker 1: they lost the Super Bowl. Obviously, but that guy heard

447
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: I was listening to Ross Tucker's podcast, a former lineman

448
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: friend of mine. He says, and he's doing He's not

449
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Speaker 1: the only one believing this. The Ravens have the most

450
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: offensive line friendly offense I've ever seen in my life

451
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Speaker 1: at any right, and he's gonna do the He's a

452
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: good pass blocker, but he's in a pass block way

453
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Speaker 1: more now than he used to, you know what I

454
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: mean against Chubb and both, you know, and they're gonna

455
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Speaker 1: know he's passing and it's he's not coming off the ball,

456
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Speaker 1: matching people over and over and over. So I think

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Speaker 1: it's still a good trade. Left tackles are hard to find,

458
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Speaker 1: but it's a lot different for him. We haven't really

459
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Speaker 1: talked about this, but the Ravens are talking about signing

460
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Speaker 1: Alejandra Villain Aueva. I guess, I guess, But Dennis Kelly

461
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Speaker 1: and today too. I guess they would potentially put him

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Speaker 1: at right tackle. It's funny. I was on Baltimore radio

463
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Speaker 1: last week and they were asking me about al you know,

464
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Speaker 1: and I gave him my very honest opinion, mostly very positive,

465
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Speaker 1: especially as leadership and the player he is and all that,

466
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Speaker 1: and I thought, yeah, but it's kind of curious because

467
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a right tackle. And they

468
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Speaker 1: brought him in for a visit right about that time,

469
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Speaker 1: and I assumed that's what the visit centered around, like

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Speaker 1: how comfortable are you playing on the right side or that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he did it early in his career, but

472
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Speaker 1: he's a left tackle. But his his issue last season

473
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Speaker 1: wasn't with his past blocking per se, it was his

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Speaker 1: run blocking right he got he got very little movement

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Speaker 1: and run blocking. I didn't think is a real good

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Speaker 1: fit when I when I left the air of something

477
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Speaker 1: like it would make more sense for Indianapolis to sign

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Speaker 1: him and play put him at left tackle than it

479
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Speaker 1: would for Baltimore to sign him and put him at

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Speaker 1: right tackle. Right and you even mentioned it when he

481
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Speaker 1: went there the first time. Does that mean maybe Stanley's

482
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Speaker 1: not that you know? And if you draft Eichenberg or whoever,

483
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Speaker 1: and or Tevin. I'm sure they loved Tevin Jenkins. You know,

484
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Speaker 1: guys like that could alb the left tackle for the

485
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Speaker 1: first month and maybe be a swing guy or you know,

486
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Speaker 1: be your pseudo big tight end, you know, the sixth

487
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I'm sure that's something that they'll do plenty

488
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Speaker 1: of two. But I mean, he's an old dog to

489
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Speaker 1: teach that new trick. I know he's done it, but

490
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Speaker 1: it's been a long time. It's been quite a while,

491
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Speaker 1: and you know, you get used to coming out of

492
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: those sets with your your left foot is back, and

493
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: you know he's not a great run blocker. That's the

494
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: other part of the equations like that, if it doesn't

495
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Speaker 1: make sense to me except for they probably respect him

496
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Speaker 1: as an opponent. And that's what that tells me. Like

497
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Speaker 1: the Steeler Steeler fans who were killing him what he

498
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: stinks he's off, he says, he said, Well, the Raves

499
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Speaker 1: Ravens have played against him twice a year for the

500
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Speaker 1: last better part of the decade. I'm sure the great

501
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: respect for the man and the opponent. And you know

502
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Speaker 1: that's what I took out of it, is they don't

503
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Speaker 1: bring it. Don't even bring him in for a talk

504
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Speaker 1: if they didn't think he was still good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Kelly makes more sense. I mean, i'd rather

506
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Speaker 1: vow I think he's a better player. But Kelly has

507
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: been a swing tackle his whole life, played both sides.

508
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Speaker 1: He's a typical third. You know, you draft in the

509
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: first round, you got two first round picks. That makes

510
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: more sense to me. Another thing that we didn't talk about,

511
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: UM was the trade back. Now. Colbert said that they

512
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers aren't gonna be trading up. That's highly unlikely.

513
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: They value the right picks. They're gonna come up with

514
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: their there. They don't do a mock draft, but they'll

515
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Speaker 1: do a a mock draft based on who they would

516
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Speaker 1: pick at each of those twenty four spots, essentially setting

517
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Speaker 1: setting their board down to what we've done with our

518
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Speaker 1: top twenty. Worst case scenario are guys, Yeah, which never happened.

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Speaker 1: They gave up on doing the whole mock draft and

520
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out who's gonna they're going to take

521
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Speaker 1: this time? Who cares? Who? Who do we have valued

522
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Speaker 1: in these picks? So that's theirs, that's their twenty four

523
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: UM the trade down. However, in the first round got

524
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: a little more difficult with that Kansas City trade because

525
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Speaker 1: because now they're there are three teams, there are three

526
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Speaker 1: of the picks behind them in the in the first

527
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: round are owned by Cleveland and Baltimore. Yeah, they're not

528
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: gonna make trade with those teams. I don't know. The

529
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: students have to stay in the first round if they

530
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: trade down. But you're right. I mean, I hadn't thought

531
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Speaker 1: about that. There's what they're already a twenty four, so

532
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: that only leaves you five spots to move down to

533
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Speaker 1: if you want to stay in the first round, three

534
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: out of eight or gone. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's

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00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: probably true. Oh I didn't Steel traded with warmly with Baltimore.

536
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Speaker 1: I was a little shot. Kansas City and Baltimore did business.

537
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: I was, I was as well. But I can't see

538
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: the Steelers and Ravens trade swapping first round person to

539
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: help each other out. That doesn't. That doesn't doesn't, And

540
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Speaker 1: I don't see Cleveland and the Pittsburgh. You know, they're

541
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Speaker 1: only a couple of picks apart um, So that only

542
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: leaves you five spots if you want to stay in

543
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: the first round Kansas City. Quite frankly, when we were

544
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: making some of our mock drafts, they were one of

545
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: the teams that was trying to trade with us to

546
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: get up in that makes sense. Tampa often does too.

547
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what Tampa would want. I don't Yeah,

548
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: there would have to be somebody there. We gotta have

549
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: this guy right right. And that's how I sitting here thinking,

550
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: is besides the Steeler obvious targets, who do you want

551
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: sitting there that people might want? Maybe one of the

552
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: edge guys, maybe Mac Jones falls And I don't see

553
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: that even that too, I mean Zavin Collins, j okay,

554
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: maybe maybe j okay, Yeah, and I don't see him

555
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: being a great fit for the Steels. Yeah, one of

556
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: the fourth three, one of the rushers Phillips are pay

557
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: or one of those guys I could see it makes

558
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: more sense to me. I'm not sure a tackle is

559
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: gonna stand out so much, and Sears might just take

560
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: him if he does. Yeah, you know what I mean? No,

561
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think it's mow Ring, No, you know, No,

562
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: there's but he's not special enough just because he's only

563
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: it's far more you know, that could be you know,

564
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: if you if you're a team that doesn't have a

565
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: defensive tackle when you wanted, he's the best one. He's

566
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: the only one who first run great on. Yeah, that

567
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: could happen. Yeah, it's an odd draft that way. I

568
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: don't think the receiver would jump out of me, but

569
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: I could definitely see one of the inside linebackers. Maybe

570
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: somebody wants to get up ahead of Cleveland and maybe Baltimore.

571
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Some of those teams, yeah sense were Kansas City. Oh,

572
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: Kansas City is not there anymore, but some of those

573
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Speaker 1: teams that you know where you're looking at, kind of

574
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: like what happened a few years ago, and that when

575
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: the Steelers got shut out on the inside linebackers, you

576
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: saw some because there were there were four that year,

577
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: and you saw the teams make make their moves to

578
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: go up and get those, knowing who they had to

579
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: get ahead of. Right, Yeah, I can see Cleveland being

580
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: the market for a Collins or j Ok or somebody

581
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: like that. Trying to get ahead of them makes sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's gonna do it for this segment of the

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Speaker 1: of the Drive. So for my partner Matt Williamson for

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Speaker 1: Jacob Breck here on site keeping us on the air.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale, Lolly. We appreciate you listening to the Drive

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