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Speaker 1: Man, this is definitely a blessing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this one for the Midwest too, for all us

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Speaker 4: I know Mike Epps in particular gonna feel this.

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Speaker 2: The first question we asked everybody when you first got

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Speaker 3: And that was just a perfect opportunity to first of all,

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Speaker 3: But to make a long story short, this guy came

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Speaker 3: And you know, in this league, if you average eight

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Speaker 1: Nobody had a package like your package.

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Speaker 4: It was you. He pushed me, and he pushed me

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Speaker 1: I pushed him over that, so he deserved to get it.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. You. Your rotation wasn't right, So I

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Speaker 3: I didn't get many dunks, so I should remember that.

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Speaker 2: So hey, but y'all package that year when we got

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Speaker 3: Ray came from day one, from the first when we

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Speaker 4: Was shaking and baking, dunking foods and everything like yeah,

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Speaker 4: He hanging off the legs is like he almost running

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Speaker 6: But like I know, the young people like when didn't

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Speaker 5: In his calves. His calves today running.

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Speaker 3: He's the only guy that I ever played with that

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Speaker 3: When he practiced. If I'm practicing shooting jomp shots, it's

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Speaker 5: This guy jumps on every single shot practice or in

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was seeing him going early to the gym.

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Speaker 1: It was like I never seen it before. He catching

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Speaker 3: You understand that too. That's why I was like, wow, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Jumping on every shot game or practice. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: We all want a nickname, and one of the dopest

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Speaker 3: and all assistant coach Frank Kenjy he took that phrase

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Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, the commentator starts saying big dog,

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Speaker 3: I had g Rob twelve Games, Rockster, I had all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love the big Dog. That's one

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Speaker 3: Well, there's only a few guys that nicknamed themselves, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like somebody else supposed to get your nickname,

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Speaker 1: You would you would lovely you lord, because you was

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Gary, Indiana, that's like East Saint Louis when I went.

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Speaker 4: To and Gary, now my cousin see Christy, all that

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Speaker 3: And you know in Chicago, I spent plenty of time

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Speaker 3: So it started over there in Chicago. It's only thirty

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Speaker 2: So who did you when you came up? Who's that

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Speaker 1: I see a lot of people like you and Rashid.

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Speaker 2: While the jump shot always remind me of the same thing,

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Speaker 2: He got that bug all the way on top of man,

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know where the high art came from.

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Speaker 3: That's just I guess from playing against shorter guys, and

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Speaker 3: Now far as I watched, you know, I'm from Gary,

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Speaker 4: And thinking our language, both of our childhood. Look, Mike

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Speaker 1: But it's just we were there. We watched every.

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Speaker 1: Know, everybody else fell in line.

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Speaker 3: Everybody else probably had a good regular season, but when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about that about Scotty. Man Like, Scotty

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like he get the credit he really

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Speaker 5: Just look at one of the team when MJ retired.

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Speaker 3: Man should have been m v P m v B.

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Speaker 3: He should have been still rebounds. What else it was

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm sorry, I'm up here with Scotty like

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Speaker 4: it's a different feeling, like and you know, the Bulls

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Speaker 3: you patch you and seven one, But in high school

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Speaker 3: And that's the way the game was then back then

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Speaker 2: In high school, when did you know that, like, oh man,

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00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm dominant, Like I'm better than everybody, not just only

439
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 2: at my school, but at the state, maybe even the country.

440
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: That I'm a little bit better than these cats.

441
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: That's a great question. I played AAU. I got introduced

442
00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 3: to AAU at fifteen years old. See growing up, I

443
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: played fifth grade, sixth grade, seventh grade, eight. I didn't

444
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: play my seventh grade. Yeah, I was starting to sway

445
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: in a different direction. But hey you, I didn't play

446
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: none of the bitty basket, none of that, so hey you.

447
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: I got introduced to that at fifteen, and we played

448
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: in the state tournament and Bloomington and Diana beat our team.

449
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 3: And at the time you can choose two more players

450
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: and take them to Nationals, which and we went to Jonesboro, Arkansas,

451
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: and they had every team from every state whoever won

452
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: that state. They was there from New York, Kentucky, the

453
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: big California, all the big cities. And we played against

454
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 3: I think I can't remember who we played against, but

455
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: I made it to our team made it to the

456
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: top five. I played against Alan Henderson and Aau at fifteen,

457
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: but we were both the same a in the same tracks.

458
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 3: Once we got to Nationals, played against a little bit

459
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: more competition from other states.

460
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 5: That's when I started getting ranked.

461
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: But when I felt like I was a little bit

462
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: better than everybody in my area was when I played

463
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: against Chris Webber. And let me tell you, Chris Webber

464
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: is probably the same size then as he is not.

465
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: I first saw this guy, was like saying to myself, like, man,

466
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: we need to check this dude's versatil. This guy is not.

467
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 5: And he was an intimidator, you know.

468
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 3: So our team was stretching and his team had to

469
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: come across the court to go on the other side.

470
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: So he walked right beside me, looking down at me

471
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: as he was walking, and I'm looking back up like, hell,

472
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 3: you're looking at you know, I'm stretching though he looking

473
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: over me. Then I'm like, damn it. So when we played,

474
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: they introduced all the teams. So I'm standing out at

475
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: a jump circuit. So see, Webb came out. You know,

476
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: back in the day, the best player always came to

477
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: the jump circle lands, so they introduced everybody. He was

478
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: still fixing his shoes and everything, so he came out.

479
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: He came out. It's just me mar So, I mean

480
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: so we we mean mugging each other like the MBM,

481
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: A fight is about to go down. And when I

482
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: tell you, the whole gym just exploded. The whole gym

483
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: was like, oh, it's all. I looked over at my coach.

484
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: My coach he was he was so hyped. He was

485
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: beating on his hold his desk.

486
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: So I busted.

487
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: I stared laugh, and he goes, see, that's your problem.

488
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: You too damn friendly? You too friendly? And the name

489
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 3: of his friend his Teamtreme Friends. Yeah, so I had

490
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: to wipe the smile quick though. So I go, you

491
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 3: the one that got super Friends on your chest. You'

492
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: the one that's friendly. You know, let's go. So I'm

493
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: gonna tell you, man, that that game he probably had

494
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: I probably had forty nine.

495
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: And he had fifty. But that probably was the.

496
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 5: Most competition just looking at him, and you know how

497
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 5: physical he was.

498
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: And let me tell you anything that was underneath the

499
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 3: basket was a slam dog. He's talking.

500
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 5: I don't give a damn who was under that he

501
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 5: was talking, you know, so, but yeah, man, that was.

502
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 3: Probably after I played him, I felt like, shit, if

503
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: I can survive this, I don't think nobody in my area,

504
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: not in northwest Indiana can see right now.

505
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 4: So you know that was let me ask you this,

506
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: like a plant, you know, after that and you started,

507
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: obviously you started getting name for yourself in your area,

508
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 4: but not only the area, in the nation. How much

509
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 4: pride is you taking that coming from you know, the

510
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 4: the hood school or whatever you want to call it.

511
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: That's not really numb for you know gear you know

512
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 4: what I'm saying you got big Allen Henderson over here

513
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: at the big school blah blah blah. But like when

514
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: you put like that, how did you feel putting on

515
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: for your high school and your area and yohood? How

516
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: did that make you feel?

517
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: Man? That made me feel great, because first of all,

518
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: that's something that I've always had to battle being from Gary,

519
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: you know, and you can start with batterly for mister basketball.

520
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: I didn't think that I would even I felt that

521
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: if our team won state, it probably would have been

522
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: a split.

523
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 5: If our team would have lost.

524
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: State, I felt like Alan Henderson had got it because Indianapolis,

525
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: that's the capital of Indiana, and the media it's bigger.

526
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 5: They get a lot more coverage this and that. And

527
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 5: then Alan Henderson was.

528
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 3: A straight they storat bright kid and you know, shout

529
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: out big us Alan Henderson. We're great friends too, and

530
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: we played together in Atlanta, which was which was cool.

531
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 5: We should have played together after.

532
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: Do you know if he told me he was gonna

533
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: come and he went to India, that's a different but yeah, yeah,

534
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: he was a straight A student. I ended up a prop,

535
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: you know, So I was battling the s A T

536
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: so that was the thing that was put over my head,

537
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: not being eligible. That was the way that teams tried

538
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: to stop me. The crowds used to chant right when I.

539
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: Was at the one of them, one of them.

540
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 6: They definitely.

541
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: A T S, A T and every other tesday.

542
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 3: And you remember the Ghetto Boys when they had a

543
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: song that went kettle Kettle boys. So on team, we

544
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: used to come out saying ghetto old boys boys. That's

545
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: what we used to come out saying. We played on

546
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: West Side High School, another Gary school and the sectionals,

547
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: and the game got tight, and I was at the

548
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: fire line with two foul shots and they started chanting. Well,

549
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: first they was tending sat at sat on my first

550
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: file shot and I missed it.

551
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: Oh my god, they went crazy.

552
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: Second file shot they started chatting sat sat ssat And

553
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: you know that that hurt. You know that I had

554
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: to make that shot, by the way, you know, and

555
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: at the time in high school, I probably wasn't sixty

556
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: eight percent not probably not even a seventy percent foles,

557
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: but that shot I had to make.

558
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: Could another school got big Dog? Did somebody else almost

559
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: get big Dog?

560
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: Maybe if I wasn't a problem, But to tell you

561
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: the truth. Nobody recruited me like Purdue did when they

562
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: came to mail. You know, college mail was big back then. Yeah,

563
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: Purdue sent me the most mail. Purdue called me Purdue.

564
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: This is before I found out that I was going

565
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: to be you know, and I committed early. But Purdue,

566
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: they really came after me hard. But my favorite schools

567
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: was you LV, Grammar g.

568
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: We literally just had here Joe and we told him.

569
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: I said, yo, do you realize what you did for

570
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: the food with y'all?

571
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: That's what he was.

572
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: He was the bulls of college in the hood.

573
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 4: We talked, I said, Yo, when Pot put the head on,

574
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: put the jersey on, like, do y'all know what y'all

575
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: was doing? Y'all represented us like y'all was right before

576
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: the fab fact came and made thing in print, like

577
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 4: y'all was all of that for the hood before that

578
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: became there.

579
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: Moses Scurry had screaming when I when I get there

580
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: rebounds exactly.

581
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: That was Holland.

582
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: I used to love that.

583
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 5: That was my squad man. I used to like them.

584
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: Tennessee Coach Houston was there was up there. Who else

585
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: was in the mix? Illinois? Illinois was one of my

586
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: favor when I had That's what I was.

587
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: I was.

588
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: I was hurt when when g Rice, when GLA Michigan

589
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: beat that, yeah in the tournament. Yeah, those were some

590
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: of my teams. I remember Bobby Knight came Roosevelt to visit.

591
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: So he goes, you know this, Bob the General came

592
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: to Gary. So he sits down and goes, so, what's

593
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: your top five school? I'm like, really, okay, U n

594
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: l V Tennessee, Uh, purdudes Indiana. He was like, well,

595
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: you know what, if Purdue is your number one school,

596
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: you ought to commit to him, because I'm gonna tell

597
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 3: you what, if you mess around and you go visiting

598
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: this school to that school and taking I'll tell me

599
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: a bit this and that, you're gonna be a prop.

600
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: So if that's your favorite school, you ought to just

601
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: go ahead and commit to him. You know what I did.

602
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: I committed to Purdue.

603
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: I took the General's advice and really probably the best

604
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: advice that he can give me, because he probably would

605
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: have told me if Indiana is your number one school,

606
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: then you are to commit to leok me out at

607
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: the same thing. But yeah, that was a thrilled though,

608
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: because I mean back then, Bobby Knight was exactly you know, hey,

609
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: this this is what I want to go back to,

610
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: Like when you was talking about the prop forty eight. Right,

611
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: So you you get through going and you you share

612
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: a National Player of the Year with See where the

613
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: boy you're talking about?

614
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 6: Y'all? Y'all the biggest thing, you know what I'm saying.

615
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: How was it for you to have to sit out

616
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: that freshman year and watch them be the Fab five?

617
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: And here you are with all this game and all

618
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: this you got it, you got it. You can't do

619
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: nothing but practice. How was that for you to sit

620
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: there and witness all that that was going on? I mean,

621
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: I know you happy, but like you know, we as competitors.

622
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: You like, man, I supposed to be out here putting

623
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: on and.

624
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: Practice.

625
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: You're the best way on the whole team in practice,

626
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 4: and all you can do is practice?

627
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: Like, how was that for you to deal with that year? Well?

628
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: It was tough. But once again, coming from where I

629
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: came from, I was I was happy. I was I'm

630
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: in college. I was the first person in my family

631
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: to go to school, you know, outside of high.

632
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: School, So that was big.

633
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Then my fear was to not be as.

634
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 5: Good when you sit out.

635
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: If you look at players that didn't play their first

636
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: year in college that had props, they just didn't quite.

637
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 5: Come back, you know, the same. So that was my

638
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 5: biggest fear, which I feel like I did lose a

639
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: lot of my hearts.

640
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: I still had, you know, enough to do what I did,

641
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: but I felt like I wasn't jumping the same because

642
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: I gained a little weight. You know. I came back

643
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: probably at right at two five to ten, no two fifteen,

644
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: maybe soaking wet. Once I started getting into that two

645
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: thirty range, that kind of took away some of the left.

646
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was tough. But we had a guy

647
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 5: out of Chicago, Kenny Williams.

648
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: He was a prop too, and the year before then,

649
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: I think he was a player of the Year in JUCO,

650
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: So you know, we leaned on.

651
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: Each other's shoulders. I had him, you know, to shit

652
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 5: out with.

653
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: And in school it's only thirty games, forty games, so

654
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: season was over with before you knew it.

655
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 5: And next thing you know, I was, you know, doing

656
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 5: everything for full range with the team.

657
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Konzo Martin is my og.

658
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: I grew up off the history of him playing for

659
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: my high school coach, like the reason the history was

660
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: embedded in me of the championships he won in Illinois

661
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: when he was younger, and then him going to Purdue,

662
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: and then.

663
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: That would make me pay attention to you even more

664
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: because I'm watching.

665
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 2: All the kinds of games and then when you played

666
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: with it, I'm just watching nothing but you but them

667
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: years you play. You first come in, you want average

668
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: twenty four, you scoring on that level.

669
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Right in through the gate, Like, how was that?

670
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 6: Especially?

671
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 4: That's what I was especially of sitting out and being

672
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: like I know you like you said, any of us

673
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 4: were sitting there like a pit bull locked down with

674
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: the chain on our neck, Like then you get the

675
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: chain taking off.

676
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: And like like you said, how was that? Well? I

677
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: think the first game we played Yukon, and you know,

678
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: Yukon is great program year and the year out until now.

679
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 5: Always have a team that's up there that till now

680
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: c B.

681
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, you know, crazy well, I had a great

682
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: game against them, and that gave me confininents, you know,

683
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 3: to beat the team out of the conference. You know,

684
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: sometimes a big ten don't get the same back then,

685
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: wasn't getting the same respect.

686
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: The big ball things like that, So.

687
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 5: That gave me confidents.

688
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: We played against Danielle Marshall and they had a good team,

689
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: and from that point point I was just I didn't

690
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 3: know what I was doing. I just had confidence. And

691
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: one thing Coach Katie didn't do, he just let me play.

692
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't say, now, somebody probably was open

693
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 3: a few times. Coach Katie didn't say, Glenn, uh, pass

694
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: the damn ball.

695
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 5: He just let me play. So a lot of the

696
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: stuff that I was doing, I didn't. I didn't know

697
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 5: what I was doing.

698
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: You the best college player I've ever seen? Do you

699
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: believe you the best college player to ever played in college?

700
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, when you're doing it, you don't

701
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 3: know what you're doing until it's over. You know, when

702
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: I go back and look at some of the games,

703
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: and or when I look at some of my numbers,

704
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 3: I know the numbers the short time that I did play,

705
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: it measures up there with some of the greatest I

706
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: think two of the greatest players for me is was

707
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: in college was Shock and David Ramson. Those were two

708
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: of the more dominant players that you knew, Okay, when

709
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: they get to the next level, they gonna do the

710
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: same thing. But yeah, like I said, I didn't know

711
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: what I was doing, and coaches just let me go.

712
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: He just turn let the chain go and just say, man,

713
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: go out, go out, and let me let me ask

714
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: you this though.

715
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 4: So now in hindsight, right when you look back and

716
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: you look at you know, you remove from everything you're

717
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: not in when you can really appreciate it, well, you

718
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: average thirty and eleven and eleven college? Like for real, Like, hey,

719
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: we haven't like especially now that we could sit back,

720
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: remove from everything our career and we can look at

721
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 4: history like it's hard to average buckets in college, not

722
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: necessarily based on you or your game, just because it's

723
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 4: college and the concept of the college game, and even

724
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: twenty times more so, and when you was averaging thirty,

725
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: like that's insane. Like even right now where the rain

726
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: is we leave, somebody can commit and they can do

727
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: whatever they want. We have not seen a college player

728
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: average thirty, not twenty eight, not twenty nine around no shit,

729
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: thirty bucks what a levern rebounds like in the way

730
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: you was doing it, bro, I've watched you iol foods

731
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: and talk to them when you got to score on them,

732
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: like this was as gun as it got like I'm

733
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 4: for real. He made every hood dude be like, oh word,

734
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: we could go. We can a big time with it,

735
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: Like look.

736
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: At what they letting them do.

737
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: If you go back and look at maybe the last

738
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 3: six or seven games and regular season, I got I'm

739
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: talking average. I probably average about thirty five or thirty eight.

740
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: You going last five or six games, which you know,

741
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: boosting my average up to thirty. But I think before

742
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 3: then I probably is iverage in twenty eight, maybe twenty

743
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: nine somewhere in there. But like I said, I think

744
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: Ohio State I had a forty against them. I had

745
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: probably thirty nine or forty against IU, and I know

746
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: Illinois the last game of of the season, I had forty.

747
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 4: You being real hungry right now, you're gonna try and

748
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: tell me two three games made you everything you've been

749
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: giving people grave all year.

750
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: That might have put you right over the top.

751
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: Cray you you said, like I said, I was at

752
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: twenty eight, almost twenty nine. But like I said, those

753
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: last five or six games was forty balls, which for

754
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 3: me at thirty I'm.

755
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: Gonna tell you what what's my mind with because I

756
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 4: felt like I had I don't even know I could

757
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: go look at them, but I feel I had a

758
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 4: significant amount of thirties and good games.

759
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: And all that.

760
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Now iverage nineteen.

761
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 7: Nineteen.

762
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 4: For my career, I felt like I had a good

763
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: amount of Like I had thirsty, I was average nineteen.

764
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: That's the whole eleven points more. Boy, that's a whole

765
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 4: lot of bucket, whole whole lot. But I'm gonna tell

766
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: you that's a whole lot.

767
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: Tell I had the lion green, you understand, Like I

768
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: did not have to think about a shot that I took.

769
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: You know, like playing on the playground, you don't think

770
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 3: about when you want to shoot the ball.

771
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 5: You don't shoot the bomb. What I'm saying, I had

772
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 5: that type of freedom.

773
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: And also I'm a small forward playing power forward in college,

774
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: so the power forwards and didn't want to step out

775
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: and come out. So when we would play Michigan, they

776
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: had Juwan Hower guard. Jawan can play three, but he's

777
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: really a four man.

778
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: So I get him out far.

779
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: He got to get me a step so that would

780
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: I can see my shot a lot better. But once

781
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: I got to the NBA, that changed because you're gonna

782
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: have somebody your height size that's out there on you.

783
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 5: So that was a big part of it too, being

784
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 5: able to step out as a far man.

785
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: How was it when you first got to play, like

786
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: after coming off that problem for they sitting that season, Now,

787
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: when you first got to play the Fab five of Michigan,

788
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: how was that for you? Because they were everybody came

789
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: back that second year, so you got to still see them.

790
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: How was that for you?

791
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: How ready for that game were you?

792
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 5: Well?

793
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: You know those guys, you know those are my friends,

794
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: and you know we're in the same class. So and

795
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 3: I always felt like, no, no disrespect to Ray Jackson

796
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: or anything, but my motivation. I used to always say,

797
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: I'm the fifth fast Oh you say that was always

798
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: my motivation.

799
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 6: So you and your man, you said, what if I

800
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 6: was there, it would have been this.

801
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: Well, they recruited me and they had the number thirteen

802
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: jersey in the locker room, in the locker and everything,

803
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 3: they hold the phone.

804
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: Are you telling me, yes, Yes, everybody had no chance

805
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 4: if you were in the building with them. It's a

806
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: whole how many time was called we.

807
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: Come up?

808
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

809
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: Absolute, but yeah, that would be I was the fifth.

810
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: I always felt like I was the fifth Fab five,

811
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: that that was all always my motivation. I never I'm

812
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: not a cocky type of guy or I'm not you know,

813
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: so I never put it out there like that, you know,

814
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: trying to make a big deal out of it or anything.

815
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: Michigan just wasn't the place for me. And yeah, they

816
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: changed the rules from the Prop forty eight, Prop forty

817
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: two and all of that stuff. However, that go where

818
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: the student loan out of state is a little bit

819
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: more expecsive. Not that the student loan was gonna make

820
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: or break you know, my destination. All I had to

821
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: do is stay healthy, if you know what I'm saying.

822
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: But you know, like I said once again, Purdue, they

823
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: went after me the artist, and I can't even it

824
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: was right.

825
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: That would have been No, that's been crazy. You add

826
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: thirty your second year.

827
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: But then now you in the tournament and you know

828
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: in the tournament, guys, the score, the leading score of

829
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: the is double a. You know, they really be having

830
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: a spotlight because we know you're gonna get buckets, and

831
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: you know, how was that tournament for you? And when

832
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: you got to the lead, they to do the run

833
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: that y'all made to get to the lead. They like,

834
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: was that that was a great run.

835
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: Well, we were coming off Big ten champion, with number

836
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: one seed, all the good stuff, so you know, we

837
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: was we felt like we was the team. And but

838
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: like you said, all the big dogs come out in

839
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 3: the tournament. Even I forgot who we played the first round.

840
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: But when we ran up against Alabama, they came with

841
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: them dogs that's gonna get it.

842
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: They ready to play.

843
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 3: They're gonna get into your close, they're gonna down, they

844
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: gonna pick you up full court, they're gonna ice all yeah,

845
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: they're gonna make you play defense. Then we ran up

846
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: against Kansas. You know, Kansas great program year in the

847
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: year out. But Dick Vartel gave me the motivation for

848
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: that game. I'll never forget it's gonna be Dick ev.

849
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: He said, I think it's going to be by bike ballers.

850
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: The next.

851
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: I said, okay, But you know, Kansas was a team,

852
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: you know, even more than the Michigan. Like I said, Michigan,

853
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: they my age, they the same class. I felt like

854
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: I was I was there, but Kansas, you know, going

855
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 3: up against a big time program like Kansas, I felt

856
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 3: like I was really up for that.

857
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 5: And you know, that was a big win for our program.

858
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: Then we had do.

859
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude, they do is a well coached team.

860
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: They had a great game plan. Well, first of all,

861
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: they put Lane on and then they made Cherokee Park

862
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: ran Hill.

863
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, teammate.

864
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: Hey, they had a well game plan.

865
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 5: They executed it well.

866
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: I was pissed.

867
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 3: I had well, you know, I had tweet my back

868
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: during that Kansas game, but I never said anything because

869
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: I don't like to use injuries as excuses, especially if

870
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: you lose.

871
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 5: You know, I hate to play at it. You know,

872
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 5: when you're winning, they healthy.

873
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: But.

874
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 5: Man, fuck all that excuse my language. I just can't

875
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 5: put on a show like that.

876
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, I heard. I thought we were gonna make

877
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: it to the final four. You know, it's always hard.

878
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: You feel like you let fans down, in the family down.

879
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 3: But it was a learning experience and you know, that's

880
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: one of the best teams and produe history, and I

881
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: was just proud.

882
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: To be I can legit remember that because that was

883
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: like when I feel like, you know, I'm eleven twelve.

884
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 6: I felt like that was really when I was coming

885
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 6: to my real.

886
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 4: Basketball self, like where I'm okay, I'm aware, I'm aware

887
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: of this player of that team of this and that,

888
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 4: And I can remember being pissed when y'all lost because

889
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 4: I was like every other kid from the fuck dude,

890
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: let's go out of you know what I'm saying all

891
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: the other teams.

892
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 6: So like when they beat I was still like, man,

893
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 6: he better than all them, Like that's how we I.

894
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: Was like, so what like so well, like y'all had

895
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 4: more players, like if he was on this team, if

896
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: he had this personal more hell.

897
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: That's how well I was.

898
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 6: Man, I'm walking around.

899
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: Like all right, hey, that's how I felt with du

900
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: beat you n l V the same year, right, I said, Man,

901
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: they got on the man, they got paid on man.

902
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, it goes like that.

903
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 8: Man.

904
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: It's a lot of great players that go through college

905
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: that you don't you wouldn't even expect to do. You

906
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: know what I say. All these guys underrated, like you

907
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: two guys, But it's going to become a time where

908
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: where they must learn. That's why I try to stay.

909
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: That's why we listen.

910
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 4: That's why you want guys like you up on here though,

911
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: because it's a shame, it's a travesy to me, to

912
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 4: some of these young kids. I was just in the

913
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: NBA locker room working for the Pistons four years ago.

914
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: And this guys don't know who Eddie Jones years Oh

915
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: who certain guy? And this is not like way sixty

916
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: seventies I out of say, like, come on, bro, like

917
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: this is like, this is this is your history.

918
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 6: When you join this fraternity, you should know what's going on.

919
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 4: It's only but five thousand of us, and you should

920
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: know and like somebody like somebody like he's young, like

921
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, hey doing like these are

922
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: people who legit built this thing and are part of

923
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 4: why you able to do what you can do.

924
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 6: I'm sing.

925
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: The Grandmama is like.

926
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 4: We feel like you know what I'm saying, We feel

927
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: it our duty to like look, it ain't even my

928
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: business to say whether y'all know them. I just know

929
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: that everybody from our aging up, they gonna appreciate the

930
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 4: hell out of this shit 's having you on hearing

931
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 4: people like you and DM those of y'all that's young,

932
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: and tune in and actually go back and look, y'all

933
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: gonna appreciate it. You go look at this shit like

934
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 4: I know who I'm gonna show my son. I got

935
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 4: two boys and I promise to shouldn't They gonna see

936
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: Big Dog, they gonna see Larry Johnson, they gonna see

937
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 4: the different people.

938
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: That that got what I like.

939
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: So well, yeah, people need to know, Like when I

940
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: sit down my kid and we watching stuff, are you

941
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 4: pulling up all the type of shit? They gonna see

942
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: d Miles, They gonna see goddamn Stroman Swift. They gonna

943
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: see some of everybody who I like. You don't mean

944
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 4: that they gotta beat everything, but it's like it's certain

945
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: things that certain people playing the way they play. They

946
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: gonna see Jamal Crawford, they gonna see some JJ Reddiy.

947
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 4: They gonna see different people because I play with these

948
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 4: people and I know what they bring and I know

949
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: what I like.

950
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 6: People need to know who the hell Big Dog? Was

951
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 6: you a gold in this game? Hall of Fame to me?

952
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: Damn the jokes, Damn anything jof like you said me

953
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: and live women at the numbers, don't when you take

954
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 4: all the politics and all you.

955
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying, and the false narratives and all

956
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 6: this other like.

957
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: My man did what he did and how many people

958
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: he did?

959
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 6: I wait, you know what I'm saying.

960
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: Take me back to draft night, Like when you declare

961
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: for the draft and you go to the draft and like,

962
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: I feel like you repped the Midwest to the Phulls

963
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: go so you had Gator Zone.

964
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: Like, tell me how it.

965
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 6: Felt when you declared and when you did.

966
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: Like you said, soon as you popped out, you already

967
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: popped out with the whip you rolled, And like, how

968
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: was it for you to declared, come out for draft

969
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 4: night then actually go to draft night?

970
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: Man?

971
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 5: That was that was special?

972
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: And you know, I gotta say this because you know,

973
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: growing up, I watched basketball, but I wasn't into the

974
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: details of basketball, maybe until MJ and you watching the Bulls.

975
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: I got friends as younger than me that no more

976
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: ball players if you go back in history. But the

977
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: number one draft pick from Gary, India, you know, for

978
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: Due University.

979
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: That's the dream that.

980
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 4: I didn't believe that that can go one of one

981
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 4: Nune before none that come so far.

982
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't believe that I to do it. But

983
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: once again, I was just happy to be in the

984
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: game in the NBA. I didn't care about getting drafted away.

985
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: I got drafted. But since I was up there, okay,

986
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: like you said, I had to you know it was

987
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: perfect timing because it was the draft was in Indianapolis.

988
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: It couldn't have been at its right in my backyard.

989
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: You know, I went number one in so you know

990
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: the home state got a chance to witness that too.

991
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: So that was that was special man, just to be

992
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: in that class man with other number one draft pick

993
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: and just in the title. A lot of like I said,

994
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: you had, Grant Hill came out jan Jason Cherokee was

995
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: I think right. We had some hits.

996
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 5: We had some pretty a pretty good draft class.

997
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: And it came with strategy too, because I almost left

998
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: a year early. Now if I would have went Lee early,

999
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: you got to deal with See where Sean Bradley, Penny Hardware,

1000
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 3: those were the top three. Jamal Mashburn was in the mix,

1001
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 3: Monster Maston mask was playing great. Yeah, so that could

1002
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: have easily slipped from number one to who knows. Then

1003
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: of course going to the league, the contract negotiation thing

1004
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: that gave me a bad man, put a bad reputation

1005
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: on my back when really that wasn't about me.

1006
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 5: I was just playing basketball.

1007
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: You didn't do nothing, You didn't do nothing, bro right,

1008
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: No bad.

1009
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: The real was double. Let me tell you a lot

1010
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 3: of that was my agent's doing. But I got the

1011
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: bad graptation for you know, that's what it was. So

1012
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: a lot of that wasn't me. Or so if for astonce,

1013
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: if if someone said, well, he's a greedy athlete, he's

1014
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: asking for a hundred million dollars and he said, he

1015
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 3: that's my hazing, that's not me.

1016
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 4: I never once came on and I didn't you let

1017
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 4: them under your business like he's being too business exactly.

1018
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 3: Man, I just wanted to play basketball. And that's one

1019
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 3: big reason why I kind of I didn't.

1020
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 5: Fall out with the media or anything.

1021
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: I just I'm just not a big media person anyway.

1022
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 6: So that's why we appreciate you pulling up on the kids.

1023
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

1024
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: You made it possible for these kids now to get

1025
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: get these Man, you part of the history of like

1026
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: we said, the kids getting two hundred, We seeing these

1027
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: kids getting a lot.

1028
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 8: We see these kids average damn there ten points and

1029
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 8: getting fitted right right, like that wouldn't be possible for that.

1030
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 8: So like, man, you ain't do nothing wrong.

1031
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: You should never feel because like I say, the real

1032
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: ones know and if it was me, I asked for

1033
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: that ship too, and I settled for City eight any day.

1034
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is from an image standpoint, it

1035
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 3: created a bad courage one.

1036
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 5: Really, I was just a kid from Getting Area, Indiana

1037
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 5: that just wanted to play.

1038
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 4: But if you look at it and they look at it,

1039
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: this is no disrespect because I love and respect both

1040
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 4: of these guys, J Kidd and G. Hill, but I

1041
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 4: feel like they had implications on your being a rookie

1042
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: of the year, the man average twenty one after Kate,

1043
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 4: you was the rookie of the year. We know why

1044
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: it didn't happen. You fucked up the system. After that

1045
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: came the rookie scale that me and my dog ball

1046
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 4: of it, Like, how did that feel?

1047
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: You? You changed?

1048
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 4: Like you literally ain't gonna say it was the Glenn

1049
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: Robinson rule of We all know what it was, the

1050
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 4: whole rule and the rookie system got changed because you

1051
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 4: took seventy and said.

1052
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: I need more about I'm gonna tell you what really

1053
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: changed it. I'm gonna tell you changed to change the

1054
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: thought the big ticket. Oh yeah, the big ticket got

1055
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: the buck twenty. He got the one.

1056
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying, Like, y'all too y'all too right.

1057
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: Back to back like that, Hey, this is not a nickname.

1058
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: That big name just fell. It just fell out the sky.

1059
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: It was deserved to be big. Absolutely the big ticket.

1060
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: That's a big ticket. Yeah, but you come and see

1061
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: the big ticket.

1062
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 3: Was when the cap after the big ticket Okay, the

1063
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: big dog. Okay, they saw where it was gone, but

1064
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: when it went there, when it actually went when it

1065
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: actually went there, you know what?

1066
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: You know what, this is the perfect time because I

1067
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: usually asked this question, right, but.

1068
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 4: It's he got his back. You just gotta be stupid,

1069
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's not many people we can

1070
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 4: ask this question in this scenario. Always ask like, hey,

1071
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 4: you know what you did when you got the bag,

1072
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 4: like you know, most people didn't get this first bag,

1073
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: like this is your first back, Like I know, we

1074
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: all did it. We took care of mom, dudes, family.

1075
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 4: Now I won't hear that. I won't hear the cocky

1076
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 4: shit you did. I want to hear what type of jewelry,

1077
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 4: what type of what type of something that you did?

1078
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 4: It you look back at now as an adult, it'll

1079
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 4: be like, damn, I was kind of tripping, but like

1080
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: it was a good ass time. What the big dog dude.

1081
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 4: When he got the ten years sixty eight record breaking?

1082
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 4: Might I add like you said there, might I add

1083
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 4: record breaking? Never done? You got to treat yourself to something.

1084
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 4: Excuse me, they have to be a squizzy. What did

1085
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 4: my man from getting Indiana do? Of course mom's got

1086
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 4: the house tops. That's why I said, you an't got

1087
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 4: to say that. He talked about you know you took

1088
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 4: care of min But look, man, I had you know

1089
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: off Gary time.

1090
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: You know Mikes Brown Now, Mike Mikes Prown he listening.

1091
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: Ain't Mike from not though, but you know what you.

1092
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: Talk.

1093
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 7: You know what Gary is.

1094
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: Right, exactly right. But but Gary is a little bit

1095
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: you know.

1096
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you said, like the minds like he's

1097
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 4: saying now he's saying right right.

1098
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: Ain't no building, no buildings, and Geary on the buildings.

1099
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 3: And the one time Bernie Max this mean on stay

1100
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: he said.

1101
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: Get it?

1102
00:55:59,480 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 6: I ain't no.

1103
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: Hey, look you go back at nineteen now they still

1104
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 4: had closed wires out there hanging closed.

1105
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I already had a suburban with subs and

1106
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: all that stuff back before I went.

1107
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 4: Hey, that's how you knew themand in them already already

1108
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: before you even got.

1109
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 9: Up back when they saw that suburb and pull up

1110
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 9: with with eight subs and you know right I had

1111
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 9: six six I heard.

1112
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: They heard him.

1113
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had that when the season was as soon

1114
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 5: as the season was over.

1115
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 3: With my junior year. That's how you knew what was done.

1116
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: But do you remember the three finger Do you remember

1117
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: the three range rams? Yeah, the rams three fingers, I

1118
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: think it was called them three fingers. Yeah.

1119
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a Mercedes five hundred and that was

1120
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 5: only three three five hundred.

1121
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1122
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 5: See these kids now they want Bentley's.

1123
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: And back then you.

1124
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: Out of here. We had to wear his second contry

1125
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 3: to get a ben.

1126
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 5: Exactly.

1127
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: You know. So I had that. Hey.

1128
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 5: But see by the time Tim came through, Tim Thomas

1129
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 5: was he he.

1130
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: Got to see.

1131
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: He said he had the Billy sitting outside of crypt

1132
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 4: in the hood that comes bat in the crib.

1133
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: That's what it was different. So the fire, the fire.

1134
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: I didn't get into that stuff until you know later

1135
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: on I ate night, Yeah in the league when I

1136
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: got trade.

1137
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: So uh, I want to speak about the Milwaukee team again,

1138
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: Like I said them years, I felt y'all got cheated.

1139
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: The seventy.

1140
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 6: But them years though, I.

1141
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: Like he like, he like, tell me, I just feel

1142
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: like that serious, that's series. Like, what was it?

1143
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 5: It was either the game in Philly, Well, they did.

1144
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: Williams game big, they went and they changed they changed

1145
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: the file to a flavorant two, which gave him enough flavorings.

1146
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 5: You know, after I think four or five you out

1147
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 5: one game.

1148
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: It was something like that.

1149
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 5: Philly sent the tape in Hey small moves on by Philly.

1150
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 6: It was a hard five.

1151
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: Did you feel like them years in Milwaukee before y'all

1152
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: broke it all up? Do you feel like y'all really

1153
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: had a good shot at winning one?

1154
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: I think so.

1155
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 3: I think we had a shot at winning yeah, in

1156
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 3: two thousands. But I think what really heard us was

1157
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: the Ken Bae Matombo. Philly got the Ken Bambo for

1158
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: the season. That really put Philly on that championship level.

1159
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: You know, having another big man, a defensive big man. See,

1160
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: it was just a problem put around. You came. You

1161
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: don't want to put a bunch of score scores around

1162
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: if you want to put.

1163
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: A bunch of exactly, they did a great job, yeah exactly.

1164
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: But when they got my Tombo, that created a little

1165
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 3: bit of a problem for us, even though we still

1166
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: could have won that series.

1167
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 5: I had a key shot we lost, I think by point.

1168
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: Now Earlier, doing the regular season, I took the same

1169
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: shot fifteen foot mid range, my favorite, one of my

1170
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: most comfortable looks from the corner. Hit the shot. Doing

1171
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: the regular season, I had the same exact shot. I

1172
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: think it probably was Game five, don't forwards game, but

1173
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 3: I missed that shot. I felt like if I would

1174
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: have made that shot, we would have won the series.

1175
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 3: I think it would have put us up one. I'm

1176
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: not sure who had home for the advantage, but that

1177
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: particular shot that could have been potentially.

1178
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 5: The series winner.

1179
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: And that year I made five buzzer beaters during the

1180
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: regular season.

1181
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 4: Hey tell me this though, take me here. Ninety six.

1182
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 4: You get picked for dream Team two, which is like everybody,

1183
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 4: we all know what dream Team won was and how

1184
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 4: epic and you know, groundbreaking.

1185
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: Like you get picked for the second dream Team?

1186
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: How was that for you?

1187
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 4: And then to know like you got injured and couldn't play, Like,

1188
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 4: how was that for you to be picked for that

1189
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 4: part of history but also had to miss out on

1190
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 4: that part of history? And I'm gonna have a third

1191
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 4: part at the answer them too, I got a third

1192
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 4: question to.

1193
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,959
Speaker 3: That, well, I mean, you know what type of honor

1194
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 3: the biggest period, that's the biggest stage.

1195
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 5: That's self explanatory.

1196
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 3: But you know, for me, you know, of course it

1197
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: was disappointing not to be able to play with the injuries,

1198
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: but man, I was still content and satisfied just to

1199
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: be in the class with the guys's name on his team.

1200
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: That means everything to me. And it's still does, you know,

1201
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 3: but I wish I could have played. But hey, like

1202
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 3: I said, just to be considered. That goes back to

1203
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: I just want to play, you know, it didn't matter

1204
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: where it was. But and at the time it was

1205
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: a big deal to me. But it's even more of

1206
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 3: a bigger deal to me now than it was when

1207
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: I played, because that goes back to you saying, you

1208
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: don't realize what you're doing until it's all over with.

1209
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: And that team, that selection, it still stands.

1210
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: To this thing you they can't take it away away.

1211
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this too.

1212
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 4: With that, because we didn't have some of your compiled

1213
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 4: dres it made that team. The question must be asked,

1214
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: even though you didn't play, do you think the dream

1215
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: team too, as it was constructed as it ended up.

1216
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 4: Do you think that team could have beaten Dream Team one.

1217
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: No Bige, who else?

1218
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 3: D C l J?

1219
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 4: Because they look came on here added me, they handed

1220
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 4: and ship and the big Feller business.

1221
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this, I said, because most of

1222
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: those guys is on three Team one on my act

1223
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 3: I look at Yeah, that's that's That's why I say that.

1224
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 3: I mean, am I gonna what I try to get them?

1225
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: Of course, you know as a competitor, as a competitor,

1226
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna go out and try to do the best

1227
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: you can against against whoever.

1228
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 5: But as a fan, and you know, looking at my iles,

1229
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 5: that would have been tough.

1230
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: Tell me this.

1231
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 4: Can you remember the first time you played against Scotty

1232
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 4: when you was matched up against Scottie Pittman, because I

1233
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 4: was literally just Gotti in particular, because Scotty is the

1234
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 4: guy that you identified as your position who you looked at. Obviously,

1235
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 4: Mike is a whole different story for everybody, regard your

1236
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 4: position or whatever.

1237
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 6: But I mean you got to Mike after that book.

1238
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 4: For you, Scotty, what was that like the first time

1239
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 4: you got a chance Because I know you gave him

1240
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 4: buckets at some point, because you got too many buckets

1241
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 4: not to have. So like when you score, because I

1242
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: can remember vividly the first time I scored a bucket

1243
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 4: on Scottie Pippen, and I came. When I got out

1244
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 4: of that game, I called everybody I knew.

1245
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: How was that for you?

1246
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 4: Like, matching up against Scotti for the first time, Well,

1247
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 4: just to play against.

1248
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 5: You know, against.

1249
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 3: Just to play against Chicago. That's the only time that

1250
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: my city really get a chance to see us play.

1251
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 3: The boy, they only probably had maybe one national TV game, yeah,

1252
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 3: or you know something like that. The only time the

1253
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: home would get to see me play was So I

1254
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 3: was off for that anyway, because that's the only time.

1255
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 3: But like it said, to play against Scotti, I ate

1256
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: my best meal. I got a good, nice arrest. You know,

1257
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: I read that damn shout a couple of times. You know,

1258
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 3: I was just excited.

1259
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 4: Man.

1260
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 5: I was ready to play not only against him, but

1261
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 5: just to play against the Bulls.

1262
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1263
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 3: I had some decent games, some pretty good games against him,

1264
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 3: just from it's easy to get up against Chicago. You know,

1265
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 3: they had to face this every night. Everybody they played

1266
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 3: against everybody a best shot, so I gave him my

1267
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: best shot a few times. Now Jordan was retired every time.

1268
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: He didn't come back until I think maybe the last

1269
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 3: twenty thirty games of the season after breaking so at

1270
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 3: the time, and we played them the very last game

1271
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: of the regular season, I believe.

1272
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 5: But at the time I had saw all the superstars.

1273
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: Now I saw I came Elijah one, I saw Shot

1274
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 3: Petty and them doing anything. I saw Barkley, David Robertson,

1275
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 3: you name it, all the top hats at the time.

1276
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: So you know, I was.

1277
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 5: Plus Jordan had number forty five, so he looked a

1278
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 5: little different.

1279
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 3: That wasn't the same Jordan. That was three. Jordan's that

1280
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: that when we grew up, you know, I wasn't you know,

1281
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 3: I was, okay, that's Mike. But I felt like I

1282
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 3: saw everybody. So I was like the bust they had.

1283
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 3: You know, I played well. Actually I had thirty six

1284
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: that game, and and Mike had thirty three. And now, hey,

1285
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 3: let me tread this. Now he had thirty three. At

1286
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 3: one point Mike and Jay filed the ship out of him.

1287
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: He found me hard boom and then went to help

1288
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: me out me. It was a it was an article

1289
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 3: in the paper looking up great he found you know so,

1290
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: But anyway, it was a big article in the paper.

1291
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: You know, picked doll, you know the rookie he outscored

1292
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: Mike this and that fellas it was like.

1293
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 5: He read that ship game. He had to make a point.

1294
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 5: And the next season, of.

1295
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: Course he obvious about forty five forty six against us,

1296
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: But you know who had to pay you, you know

1297
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: who had to eat most of them fuckings.

1298
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 4: Right right, Look, that's why, that's why, that's why Ray

1299
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 4: Ray to his crass white little aka Jesus Hullibrob, that's

1300
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 4: why he is. He's the first. He's missing Jordan Brand

1301
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 4: MJ said, you know what you worthy, I'm gonna making

1302
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 4: you the first one. He the first member of the

1303
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 4: whole Elite League assassins to Jordan started creating. Mike grabbed

1304
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 4: him first because he basically had all the tools that

1305
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 4: might have so and oh for oh five, you signed

1306
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 4: with basically my nemesis, the Spurs. Now I was with

1307
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 4: Sons that year. They were literally our nemesis throughout the

1308
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 4: regular season. Then y'all motherfuckers put us out of the

1309
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 4: playoffs and the Western Conference finals and ended my dream

1310
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 4: season where I thought we had a real chance to

1311
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 4: get a ring like to my I mean, I am

1312
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 4: glad that y'all did go on to win the championship.

1313
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 4: But for you, how was that, even though you weren't

1314
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 4: the same big dog like out there killing it? How

1315
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 4: was that for you to be a part of that

1316
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 4: team and to see how the Spurs work and to

1317
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 4: see how that whole system. But and then actually, like

1318
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 4: we all know, regardless, winning the chip is winning the chips.

1319
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: It's an accomplishment for us, Like, how was that for you?

1320
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 3: Man? The Spurs they got a different type of program,

1321
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 3: first class, was you know different? You know, Far Now,

1322
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: I don't been I haven't been on one of the

1323
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 3: worst teams in the league, and I have been on

1324
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: one of the best teams. They run, or at least

1325
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 3: the time that I spent with them, they was on point.

1326
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 5: What they stopped from practice to injury.

1327
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: Management to player minute but whatever you want to call it,

1328
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 3: to diet they had they stuck together. Now, Far, I

1329
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 3: was running the offense. This is the only team where say,

1330
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 3: if you call three sides the three man on previous

1331
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: team two man man man have to be on the

1332
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: right side.

1333
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: Of three man, be on the left.

1334
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: If you're on the opposite side to play, don't start

1335
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: until you get on everybody get in that pistion, well

1336
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 3: with of it. You better know Joe spot. You gotta

1337
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 3: know where to start to play from the spot that

1338
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 3: you're in because you're wasting time. So yeah, right, there

1339
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,919
Speaker 3: was a challenge for me, how multiple different positions exactly.

1340
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 3: That's one thing Tim Thomas was good at. He can

1341
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 3: run a play from the one three. With myself, I'm.

1342
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 5: Running my stuff from.

1343
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 6: Point power for small.

1344
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 5: But with pop you gotta know positions from the spot

1345
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 5: that you're in on the court.

1346
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: So it's someone's denying the ball, you just go down

1347
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 3: this other man shift over all about what the defense do.

1348
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: That was different from me.

1349
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 3: And then just the respect that he had from his players.

1350
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 3: They bought into assistance. Y'all have been on some teams

1351
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: where the damn player with coach here, he cursed the

1352
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 3: coach out there, you know, get crazy with the well.

1353
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 5: Well Popovich had that had his stuff where he could say, Clinn,

1354
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 5: get the remound, Quinn, get your ass down.

1355
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 3: The call Timmy. He telled the same ship to Timmy

1356
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 3: that he would to the last man on the rocks

1357
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 3: and Tam didn't take that person.

1358
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 4: That's what made them Timmy can take you. Everybody better

1359
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 4: be able to get with you.

1360
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen him get Intoby's face, genoble. He

1361
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 3: put his hair back and go out there and understand me,

1362
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 3: stop behind his.

1363
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 4: Ears and go out there and get Let me just

1364
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 4: say this for the record, and oh four o five.

1365
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 4: I want to hurt man who I want to fight him.

1366
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 4: I'm not lying to you, motherfucker. One of the nicest

1367
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 4: dudes you gonna meet. But he's a killer. He's a

1368
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 4: killer on that court. He out for blood, bro. But

1369
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 4: he's not gonna like really outside of like a flop

1370
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 4: or a flail, like he's not gonna do anything to

1371
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 4: really like antagonize or make you want to put hands

1372
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 4: on him because he just the type of player I

1373
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 4: am like you was scoring and you on the other team,

1374
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 4: I want to fuck you up. Yeah, it was hard

1375
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 4: him and Tony Parker. That was like the nicest team ever.

1376
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: I hate my life. That was like you.

1377
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: It was like Tim Duncan, how can you hate him?

1378
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 6: Tony Parker?

1379
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: How can you hate him?

1380
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 4: Okay, my new I can hate you a little bit

1381
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 4: because you flail and do some bullshit, but like, even

1382
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 4: when you talk to him, how.

1383
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: Can you hate him? It was like, Yo, this is

1384
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: like the hardest team to hate.

1385
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 4: But they when I say, oh, four five my single

1386
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 4: season in Phoenix, if you could erase that team, we

1387
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 4: are world champions.

1388
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 10: I'm not bullshitting. If you can get the fut y'all motherfuckers.

1389
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 10: I was looking like, oh my god, you remember you

1390
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 10: came down. You can't after the Phoenix for the Dalla

1391
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 10: series when we beat Dallas, and I'm just like, I

1392
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 10: think we got a change.

1393
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 5: Like I'm just like man and y'all had y'all had

1394
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 5: a nice teange.

1395
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't if we.

1396
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 4: Would have beat y'all, if we beat the Spurs, it's

1397
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 4: get a flying fuck. Who we saw in the East.

1398
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 4: They wasn't seeing us Detroit. It didn't matter if we

1399
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 4: saw Detroit or Mike because it was supposed to, you know,

1400
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 4: the series that everybody want to see with Miami and Us,

1401
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 4: and then they got and y'all, they was like it

1402
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 4: was the exact opposite as far as he's like, right, well,

1403
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 4: everybody would want to go visit.

1404
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 3: But like, if we would have seen either one of them.

1405
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 4: Man, I'm one hundred percent, one hundred percent confident, like

1406
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 4: that's what.

1407
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 5: We were doing, man, Detroit, Detroit.

1408
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 3: They did.

1409
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 4: But then you know how it is in the league, BRO,

1410
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 4: match up like we matched up. We did not match

1411
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 4: up good with y'all, and Pop was smart. We played

1412
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 4: one way, and like when I talked to D'Ann Tony

1413
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 4: even like a few years ago when he first got

1414
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 4: back in the league, he was like, two things, we

1415
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 4: didn't change at the style that we play. And then

1416
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 4: he let them make him feel like we needed to

1417
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 4: make that trade when they traded me for Kurt Thomas

1418
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 4: Kirk Thomas after the season. But like during the season, Bro,

1419
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 4: the whole series when we played y'all, this was the

1420
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 4: disrespect of it all. They guarded me and Joe Johnson,

1421
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 4: Tony Parker guarded me and Man new GENOBLEI guarded Joe

1422
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 4: Johnson and we did not post up one time.

1423
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: That's the series right there, Okay, that was it. That

1424
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: was it, And they stayed to us like and.

1425
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 4: Everybody knew that if you stay with us, our power

1426
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 4: was all five of us getting off. That was our superpower,

1427
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 4: like the power range and some shit. All five but

1428
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 4: like Steven asked you how to get everybody else, Pop said, hey,

1429
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 4: we gonna make him score. He even though he could

1430
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 4: do it, he don't want to do that. They are

1431
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 4: at their best when when everybody's going crazy. We could

1432
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 4: contain it and just let him and start the mind

1433
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 4: go off.

1434
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 3: We can win like that. But if those three chip

1435
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 3: in with they twenties and eighteens, it's a problem.

1436
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 4: Tony faceguarded me, my new face guarded Joe Johnson, and

1437
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 4: then it was just them too that was getting forty.

1438
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,480
Speaker 5: They switched, they start switching.

1439
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 3: That was getting his forties.

1440
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 4: But it just was like it was not ineffective, but

1441
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 4: it didn't mean as much when everybody else couldn't ship in.

1442
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 4: That pissed me off so bad because I was sitting

1443
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 4: there frustrated, Like number one, I can't get my shit

1444
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 4: off because I'm sitting here waiting for no shots that

1445
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 4: ain't coming because I'm being face guard. Secondly, I got

1446
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 4: fucking Tony Parker, who I will you know what I'll

1447
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 4: do to him on the morn and we just not

1448
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 4: gonna even try it.

1449
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 3: It was so.

1450
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 4: Frustrated that you got Joe there with with your know

1451
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 4: being Then you come back on the other end and

1452
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 4: they cookie cause you know what I'm saying, like, the

1453
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 4: motherfuckers is a problem, John, your noble man, That motherfucker

1454
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 4: was a problem. Youro Stepic going behind that when he

1455
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,520
Speaker 4: came out that screening, bro, it was issues him coming downhill.

1456
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 3: Was a problem.

1457
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: A problem.

1458
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 3: Man. I missed. I missed that whole series, and that

1459
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 3: took me out of the rotation. You know, I missed

1460
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 3: that series. My moms was sick. Yeah, so I had

1461
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 3: played the series before that, but yeah, I missed that

1462
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 3: whole series.

1463
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 5: With y'all and then came back that was the West.

1464
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: I came back and your son, your son got some

1465
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: hot but wise, you know, it's like, uh, you know,

1466
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 2: like how you know, the guys that we love, we

1467
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: watched their kids and we feel like they're a part

1468
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 2: of that and so forth. So watching your son's career

1469
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: from Michigan to you know, it's spelled in the n

1470
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 2: b A. And you know, how is that to see

1471
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 2: your boy do his thing and fall in love with

1472
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,799
Speaker 2: this ball, that's that's the ultimate.

1473
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1474
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 5: Well, you know I called him Trey boy.

1475
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: Trey he was he was born to play basketball, and yeah,

1476
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 3: I didn't put the ball in his hand. When the

1477
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 3: ball finally found his way in his hands, he never

1478
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 3: let it go. That's the best I can describe it.

1479
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 3: And of course growing up seeing me play and seeing

1480
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: different ball players that I played with, as he's coming up,

1481
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, he's eight nine, ten years absolutely in the

1482
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: locker room, you know, joking with Sam or Ai.

1483
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 5: You know, that's one of the experience.

1484
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 3: He always talked about meeting Alan Iverson in the room

1485
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: and you know, Ai, really, you know, he's.

1486
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: Gonna mess with you.

1487
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 3: For your kid. Just to live the legacy man and

1488
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 3: keep it going. You know how tough it is, y'all

1489
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 3: know how tough it is just to make it, you know.

1490
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 3: And he's living his dream. He's doing what he wants

1491
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 3: to do. And you know, he's always been into creating

1492
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 3: his own lane. And the biggest thing that I'm proud

1493
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 3: of him about is his attitude. That's everything. Because he

1494
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 3: can be walking around with his chest out this far

1495
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 3: because of his father played in the NBA, which makes

1496
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 3: people not working, you know, that makes people come at

1497
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 3: you a little bit harder.

1498
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: And that makes people which is even all right.

1499
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 3: So that's that's one thing that I love about him.

1500
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 3: That he's not air, that he's not big head, and

1501
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: he's not just trying to live off of my name.

1502
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 3: He's out doing his own thing and creating his own lane.

1503
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 3: But like you say, man, that's a special feeling. You know,

1504
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 3: I played in the NBA. For him to come through

1505
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 3: and to be in that, I can imagine how like

1506
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: Ords Grant Twins is in the league. Just just imagine

1507
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 3: how the parents, like Stephan yourself in the league. That's

1508
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 3: that's the most awesome feeling, man is It's hard to explain.

1509
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 3: You know, first of all, go back to how I

1510
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 3: came up. Everything that he needed to play ball, you know,

1511
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 3: everything was was a lot better than I have, you know,

1512
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 3: and one thing he does everything even even skill wise,

1513
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 3: I turned out a better player, but you know, tracking

1514
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 3: how little ball better than I could. He can jump

1515
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 3: higher than I could. Range is better than mine as well,

1516
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,879
Speaker 3: have a better big range post shoot. But and basically

1517
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 3: everything that I did, he's doing or he's done it better.

1518
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 5: That's the key.

1519
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 3: You want your kids to be better than you wound.

1520
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 3: And I feel like he's better than I was. Just

1521
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 3: if he do an interview, just just speaking, you know,

1522
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 3: when I came You look at some of those old

1523
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 3: interviews with some of the players, the speech that we

1524
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: that's stuff that we wasn't taking. Now, all of this

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01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 3: stuff it comes along with being in ath league when

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Speaker 3: we came in. Yeah, it was just student athlete when

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01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:24,879
Speaker 3: we came in. Now it's student happily, great person, great citizen.

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01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 3: You it's more things that comes in just playing basketball,

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01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 3: and you know that type of deal.

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Speaker 5: So I'm proud for that still point and like you said, to.

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Speaker 3: Get drafted, he wasn't a lottery pick or anything like that,

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01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 3: but just to be pursuing his dream, just to make

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01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 3: it into the business, into the game and doing what

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01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 3: he loved. Even to this day, how many of us

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01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: get a chance to do what we like. For most

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01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 3: of us, ninety percent of I'm not gonna say nine

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01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: eighty percent of people, seventy five percent of people.

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Speaker 5: That go to work don't like their job they're doing.

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Speaker 5: To be off to you, can you show up?

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Speaker 1: It makes me?

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Speaker 4: But nah, for real, like you for real, like you say,

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01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 4: you get to really say this is big dog two

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 4: point oh because like you say, like, ain't no prop

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Speaker 4: forty eight for him?

1545
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 1: Like he got a chance to be the best in education.

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01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,879
Speaker 4: He went straight to school, started playing, and he doing everything,

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01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 4: and like you said from the interview, like that's truly

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01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 4: the level of that were talking about. Like you know,

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01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 4: in our communities, like we do all that we do

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01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 4: to so that our kids can have it better than

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01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 4: we were than we had and so they could come

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01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 4: to better on us. You know what I'm saying, whether

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 4: it turns out as far as status, because like you said,

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01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 4: to a man like he, his skills and everything that

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01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 4: you put in to him are better. Like like now,

1556
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 4: y'all careers are different because they were different. That's you know,

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01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 4: we can't control all of that, but like the things

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01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 4: that were under his control, like his abilities, like he

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01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 4: did that and that's something that definitely that you should

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 4: be commended and saluted. So man, you, you, his mom,

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01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 4: and the community to help bring him up, y'all did

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01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 4: a great job. Because like right now, even when you

1563
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 4: look out there, regardless of what he's doing done in

1564
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 4: his career, you don't see no bullshit. Y'all did a

1565
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 4: great job with him because you don't see that a lot.

1566
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 4: You see a lot of different things and mixed bags

1567
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 4: and this that and the third. But when you see

1568
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 4: it come out the right way. And like I say,

1569
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 4: regardless of how good because to me he's great, been

1570
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 4: in dunk, contested this and that, and he's you know,

1571
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 4: got as many years. When you get almost nineteen years

1572
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 4: and you going to your tenth, you're like, you good,

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01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 4: this ain't.

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01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 3: This ain't no accident, no more.

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 6: This ain't no this ain't no apiration.

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 5: No mistake.

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01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: He's good.

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01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 3: That's another thing.

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01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 5: That's another thing.

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01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 7: Hey, he bet out of the man, out of your pocket.

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01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 4: He bringing something to the table and pulling up a

1582
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 4: chair like I belong here.

1583
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like we're doing, we are good.

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01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 5: That's exactly.

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01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: Yo.

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01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 4: Man, that's been a rap man. This is this is

1587
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 4: real special for me and D nine. As to me

1588
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 4: and West boys, we grew up under this og man.

1589
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 4: We appreciate you sliding through of them as Big Dog.

1590
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 4: You don't know how much just mean to us. You

1591
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 4: one of them ones for us, Big Dog. No thanks

1592
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 4: a lot, no problem, man, anytime, just hit me up.

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01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 1: Yes sir, all right.

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