1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Saw Let's go Today, Star Theory, Merry 5 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, everybody. It's a brand new edition of Dallas 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com podcast. It's not Talking Cowboys presented by Geico. Instead, 7 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: We've got ourselves an all star crew. We've got Nate Newton, 8 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Barry Church, and we've got a special guest, Jesse Holly. 9 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: It's the first time I've gotten to work with Jesse 10 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: Holly on a podcast before. So an all star crew. 11 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: Three guys out of the four have played significant time 12 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, and I let all of you 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: guys at home decipher who is the odd man out 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: in that scenario. Just driving the bus today and and 15 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: just happy to be along with you guys. I mean, 16 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: I love working with Barry and Nate on pregame Live 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: and on everything that we've been on through Dallas Cowboys 18 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: dot Com. And you know, Jesse, it's been a it's 19 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: been a long time coming, you and I getting to 20 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: be on a podcast together. But I know you're you're 21 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll with your I've been good 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: Santa Hat rolling in that that bottom left hand corner. 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: How you been. I'm good man, I'm excited to be 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: You're right. Like I played with Barry, I work with Nate. 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: I've never worked with two. So I think this is finally, 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, the stars aligning for us to work together. 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: Now we got to make it a good one or 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, the bosses will see this and go Jesse, 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: you and Kyle no longer will be a part of that. Yeah, 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: Nate knows how that goes. He we worked together one 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: time and he went back up to the boss. He's like, 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I should work with Kyle anymore. I 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: heard anyway. Anyways, name you never said that they will 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: throw you under the bus, though, be careful. Maybe he 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: will throw you under a big eighteen wheel of bus. 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: Is this true? The most Yeah? I tell you like 37 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: this here man, Uh, I know now that it's been 38 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: a pleasure working with you, Jesse, because we had the 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: big church to get on with us. Man's that's that's 40 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: going down out here. Huh Look church, boom boom boom. 41 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: He throw you under that bus early in the morning. Bad. 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: I'm just all under the tire tread right now. It's 43 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: all good, that's awesome. I'm upset because I'm the only 44 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: one on the entire show that one hasn't played for 45 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and two doesn't have a nice hat to 46 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: go along with it. So I'm kind of here. But 47 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: that's okay. Everybody's looking great and we're ready. Cowboys. You 48 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: played for the Cowboys, because all you gotta do is 49 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: say I believe the Cowboys. They're doing nothing. You're doing nothing. 50 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: So so so that's the earlier gonna get into early 51 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: in this show. I like. I like that, oh man. 52 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: So let's let's get started talking about a storyline that 53 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: kind of popped up yesterday. And this is something that 54 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: we didn't really anticipate popping up, and it happened early 55 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: in the morning. And I know you guys would probably 56 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: hit on it at least a little bit throughout your 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: shows yesterday. But Kellen Moore, offensive coordinator and of course 58 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: the young boy genius, I know it's like you guys 59 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: like to call it on hanging with the Boys previously, 60 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: but of course, in his second year as the Cowboys 61 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator now being considered or at least rumored around 62 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: the Boise State job. So my question to you is, 63 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: if Kellen Moore, who of course is a Boise State 64 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: graduate and a legend from the Broncos program up there 65 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: in Idaho, if he were to go, would you be 66 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: okay with that? Jesse? Do you think that you would 67 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: rather see Kellen Moore stay and grow as an offensive coordinator? 68 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: Because I don't really think there's any question he would 69 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: be back in twenty twenty one if if as long 70 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: as he didn't get another job elsewhere. But would you 71 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: like to see him back or has he done enough 72 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: to say, okay, go off and take that Boise Stage job. Well, 73 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: I maybe in the minority because I was never one 74 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: who was on the Kellen Moore boy genius bandwagon when 75 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: he first got here as the Cowboys OC. So with 76 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 1: that being said, I would be more than elated. In fact, 77 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: I have a prayer group that I'm gathering so that 78 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: we can get this up to the football guy, so 79 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: that Boise offers him the head coaching job, so he 80 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: can go back to his ALBUMA Mata, his historic program 81 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: where he's like the all time leading everything at Boise 82 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: State and take the head coaching job and just kind 83 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: of just go do his thing up there. And now 84 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: we can have Freaky Mike do what we called him 85 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: to do. We called Freaky Mike to come in here 86 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: and be a offensive genius, an offensive play caller. I 87 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: for one, have never I've never been on board with 88 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: the Kellen Moore as the OC. So I wish him 89 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: nothing but the best. I pray for his success, but 90 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: I hope that his success takes him to Boise, Idaho, 91 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: especially being this this is actually the last year that 92 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: he has on his contract, doesn't He doesn't have a 93 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: contract for twenty twenty one, So it's kind of like 94 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: maybe things are lining up for him to go take 95 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: that job at Boise State. So and I think that's 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: why the rumors are so grounded, Like that's why it's 97 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: something that is significant in the fact that it is 98 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: the last year of his contract. I think that plays 99 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: a big throws a big wrench into this because if 100 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't the last year of his contract, I feel 101 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: like it might get a little bit more tricky. But Barry, 102 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: do you feel the same way as there an ounce 103 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: of view that says Kella Moore can go ahead and 104 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: leave in this Cowboys organization may actually be better for it. Yeah, 105 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent behind Holly on this one. I 106 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: was never I was never a great like you know, 107 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Kella Moore, He's just boy genius. When you said boy genius, 108 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: I was like, whoa hold on, I wait a second. 109 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: But I didn't done in that urn, I promise. But 110 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: I've never been like a huge fan. I mean, there 111 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: was just too many instances this year where it was 112 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: just head scratch head scratching calls. I mean, we can 113 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: go back to the fourth and inches when we decided 114 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: to throw a hitch to Cede Lamb instead of giving 115 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: the ball to our ninety million dollars running back. I mean, 116 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: it's just a plethora of things that this season hass 117 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: has caused me to scratch my head. So for me, 118 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: I would love to see Kella Moore get an opportunity 119 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: to be to hit the head guy and boys stay. 120 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that Jerry doesn't throw the bag at him 121 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and say, hey, come on back down here. We need 122 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: your your offenses pedigree down here with our offense. But 123 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: I hope he goes to Boise State, not for myself, 124 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: but mostly for him. I mean, look, this is this 125 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: is a stepping stool for him. He can go to 126 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Boise State. I mean this college, that college program is 127 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Taylor made for his offense. Everybody likes to throw the 128 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: ball all over the place. They don't play great defense 129 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: in the Mountain West. So I think he would thrive 130 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: there and then eventually, if he wanted to, he might 131 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: be able to get back to the league. But overall, 132 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: for me, I hope we don't throw him the bag. 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: Go ahead and go to Boise State and get a 134 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: cracking down there, a big dog. What do you think 135 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: you know? When Jason Garrett was in his final year, 136 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Jesse'll tell you all that ever scream was, it's smart, 137 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: it's Jason supposed to be. And all the degrees that 138 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: he had, why would he go into his final year 139 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: letting a puppy call his plays? And he went through 140 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: that whole year letting this puppy call his plays, and 141 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: it cost him a job. Now we have coach McCarthy 142 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: who said I would never give up my play calling duties, duties, 143 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: and with one and with one week of putting his 144 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: name on the dotted line, he came back and say, 145 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: I'll be glad to get Kellen Moore my play calling duties. 146 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: And I asked that question then, and I asked that 147 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: question now, why did we hire coach McCarthy. Why didn't 148 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: we go get a defensive, defensive minded coach if we 149 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let coach McCarthy call the plays. And I'll 150 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: just leave it right there now. And that's a valid 151 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: point because whenever Mike McCarthy came in, the first thought was, oh, 152 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: I guess Kellen Moore is not calling the plays, right, 153 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that was what we thought. We thought Mike 154 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: McCarthy would call the plays. But I don't know. I'm 155 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: kind of interested to see that all three of the 156 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: guys are quote unquote in the minority, which I don't 157 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: think is really that much of the minority, and the 158 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: fact that people would be okay with with Kellen Moore 159 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: leaving and taking this Boise State job. The only thing 160 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: that I have paused about is the potential change with 161 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: so much talent on this offense. I mean, you talk 162 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: about the guys that they have in terms of Zeke 163 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: and Anamari and Michael and CD that have had some 164 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: success under Kellen Moore. I don't know about Zeke. Zeke 165 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: might be the one that might benefit from a change, 166 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: that offensive coordinator more than anybody. But why would you 167 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: make a change like this whenever there has been success 168 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: in the past. Do you feel strongly, Isaiah or excuse me, Barry, 169 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: that there is an offensive coordinator out there, a veteran 170 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator that could come in and make an immediate impact. Yes, 171 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, but you said, Mike McCarthy, Yeah, I mean 172 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: ate they had. Yeah, yes, Mike, see, I don't understand 173 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: you directed that, Barry, but some things, Kyle. Yes, it 174 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: is a veteran offensive coordinator called Mike McCarthy that helped 175 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: a young Aaron Rodgers blossom. And then when when, when 176 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: the when the when the student became equal or better 177 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: than the master they sign him packing. Well, we don't 178 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: have nobody's equal to Mike right now. So let's let's 179 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: get Dak or whoever they're gonna sign at quarterback. Let's 180 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: see he equal the mass, and then we'll get We'll 181 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: call kell him back in four years. Are we sure 182 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: Mike's this genius? Though? Are we sure Mike's this offensive? Same? 183 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy right. I think you know, I think he is. 184 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: I think, if I said this and I repeat it, 185 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: if he can run this team himself, if if if 186 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't, if it ain't no joint deal, if it's 187 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: just like Mike, what do you want and let him 188 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: run it? I think he can be. I think when 189 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: the players know that everything stops and starts with your head, coach, 190 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: I think he can. Because here's my thing, Fellas, what 191 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: did we bring Mike McCarthy here for. If we didn't 192 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: bring him him here for his offensive mindset and his 193 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: offensive quote unquote genius and his ability to develop quarterbacks 194 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: and his ability to get prolific offenses on the football field, 195 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: why is he here? If we wanted a stand around coach, 196 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: we could have extend. We could have extended Jason Garrett 197 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: and brought in another offensive coordinator. You brought him here 198 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: simply because of his pedigree as a quarterback developer and 199 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: an offensive play caller. That's why you brought him here. 200 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: Don't don't That's like don't don't don't bring a chef 201 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 1: in to cook, to cook this five star meal, and 202 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you say, you know what I want? 203 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: Oodles and noodles. Don't don't do that. We're not. We're not. 204 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: We're not. We're not trying to make oodles and noodles anymore. 205 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: We're trying to let this guy go ahead and do 206 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: what he do. And if it's not, if what we 207 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: think he's supposed to be doing is it what he's doing, 208 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: then we failed. But don't handicap him. I had a 209 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: conversation with with James Slater about, you know, Mike McCarthy 210 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: and being on the sideline, and I said, you know, 211 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: I said, you know why some of the things happen 212 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: for guys like Mike McCarthy this year with some of 213 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: the game management stuff, because Mike is looking for stuff 214 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: to do. His whole career, he's been so engaged in 215 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: the play calling of a game and being that aspect 216 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: of it that he's engaged. But now he's just a 217 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: stand around head coach. You start trying to find stuff 218 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: to do because it's like, what do I do with 219 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: my hands? I have to find something to do. He 220 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: has nothing to do on game day because I'm not 221 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: calling plays. I'm not defensive minded, I'm not special teams minded. 222 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: So if you take the one thing that makes me whole, 223 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: and the one thing that makes me who I am, 224 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: how I cut my teeth in this league. If you 225 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: take that away from me, now I'm just another guy 226 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: who has a pair of headsets on the sideline. Let 227 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: him do what he does, and if that's not what 228 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: he's good at anymore, then we failed and we move 229 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: on to the next guy. But all this whole, you know, 230 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: let this guy do this, Let this guy do this. No, 231 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: you signed Mike McCarthy simply because of his past history 232 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: of being a quarterback developer and an offensive play caller. 233 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: Let the man do what he do well, and he 234 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: was forced to call plays Kellen Moore being right, I 235 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: mean this is a front office thing from the get go, correct, Jesse. 236 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there's really no other way around it, because 237 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: with everything you're saying, Mike McCarthy has the opportunity to 238 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: veto that unless it's a free front office thing. So 239 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: why why is Kellen Moore still calling the plays? If 240 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, if that was specifically what he was called 241 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: in to be. I said this yesterday on the show, 242 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: and listen. I could be far fetched sometimes I get 243 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: way out there with some of my theories, but coming 244 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: into the last year of Kellen Moore's contract, and there 245 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: could have been a competition between between Jerry and Mike McCarthy, 246 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: and if you fire Mike, if you fire Kellen Moore, 247 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: now whatever he's making, you got to pay that, right. 248 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: You don't get a chance to that doesn't go to 249 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: the post, you know, post Jude one cuts where you 250 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: can kind of get this kind on that you gotta 251 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: pay him that. So I thought maybe Jerry was like listening, 252 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: He's in his last year of his contract. Let's see 253 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: if you guys can work this thing out by letting 254 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: him call players this first year. If it doesn't work out, 255 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: we won't renew his contract, will give you the responsibilities 256 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: back next year, and we'll continue to move forward. I 257 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: do think that Kelly Moore is a Jerry Jones kind 258 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: of uh. It's he's trying to build this. This is 259 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: a continuation of what he tried to build with Jason Garrett. 260 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: When Jason Garrett back in two thousand and seven, eight 261 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: and nine was like supposed to be the new genius, 262 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: hot shot offensive play caller, and he paid him five 263 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: million dollars equal to what he paid Wade Phillips to 264 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: be the OC so that he wouldn't go to Baltimore, 265 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: or that he wouldn't go to, uh, you know, other places. 266 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: I think Jerry's still trying to still trying to put 267 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: his hand on I created something. If I can't create 268 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: a super Bowl winning team, I wouldn't be able to 269 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: say I created the next Cow Shanahan. I created the 270 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: next uh, you know, the next hot shot across the league, 271 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: and he came from my tree. And again, I think, 272 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: like like Jason Garrett, Jerry might be striking out again 273 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: on this one. Barry, what do you think about that? 274 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: I just, you know, I just don't go understan. If 275 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: we're going by that premise that you know who, we 276 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: wanted to give Kellyn one more shot to try to 277 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: try to make this offense complete and try to make 278 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: the next Kellyn or Kyle Shanahan. I go back to 279 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: Nate's premise. And I just don't understand why we even 280 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: hired Mike in the first place. If we're gonna give 281 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, Keller Morti this shot to be this OC, 282 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: this great, this great game caller, we should have went 283 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: and got a defensive coach, because I mean, we know 284 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: how bad our defenses has been struggling. So yeah, I 285 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: still don't understand why we kept Kelly Moore along. If 286 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: we hired Mike specifically to be this offensive guru and 287 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: let him call the plays, why is Kelly Moore still here? 288 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: I don't understand that one. That's the question I'd like 289 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: to pose to you guys. And the thing that the 290 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: thing that gets me fellas in and Jesse's always rolled 291 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: me hard because I've always said, sooner or later, y'all, 292 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to play defense. Sooner or later, y'all. 293 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to have somebody to turn the ball 294 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: over sooner or later. And just think, we had a 295 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: shot at at the defensive player this year last year, 296 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: and we pick Ceedee Lamb and it's for great as 297 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb has been and for the potential that we 298 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: see him being the top bulldog in the year. So 299 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: that's how bad our defense is. Just think, and this 300 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: year's draft it's totally against us because there's no top 301 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: ten defensive players out there. So we're gonna wind up 302 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: again getting another offensive player. And listen, if we don't 303 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: have the right coordinator to Kyle, what up, Let's go Kyle, 304 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: right coordinator to try to help control the game if 305 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: we would have started out this season trying to control 306 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: clock along with scores, which we couldn't because my mate 307 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: to the ball. So there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, 308 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: we've we've solved everything. 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Kyle Yoma's Jesse Holly, Nate 361 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: Newton and Barry Church. Chris being back at his home 362 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: office running things at the point today. But whenever you 363 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: guys look at this week in the Dallas Cowboys going 364 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: up against the Philadelphia Eagles, they're two completely different teams, gentlemen. 365 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty out there, pretty obvious for either 366 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: one of these teams. Whatever you talk about. The Cowboys 367 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: no Benda Duci back at quarterback going up against the 368 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: Eagles like they had back in Week eight. Then you 369 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: turn around and you've got Andy Dalton and going up 370 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: against Jalen Hurts, which is something that we didn't necessarily 371 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: see going into Week sixteen happening either. But Jesse, whenever 372 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: it comes to Jalen Hurts, what does he bring that's 373 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: gonna be tough against this Cowboys defense because it's not 374 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: gonna be an easy task for a defense that has 375 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: struggled against mobile quarterbacks who can somehow find a way 376 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: to throw the football like Jalen Hurts is done over 377 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Yeah, he brings a headache, 378 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: that's what he brings. He brings you a significant headache, 379 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: especially for a team that will probably be without You're 380 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: starting defensive tackle and Antoine Woods, you're starting little linebacker, 381 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: and Layton Vanderish and you're starting safety Xavier Woods will 382 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: all probably be out of his game and his team 383 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: has already had issues with the run game up the 384 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: middle and being able to corral athletic quarterbacks. And the 385 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: way Jalen Hurts plays is yes, he wants to deliver 386 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: the ball from the pocket, but make no mistakes about it. 387 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: When that's not there and the play breaks down, you 388 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: and this is a team who Tech Cowboys defense who 389 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: have not been alignment assignment sound all year long. When 390 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: that play breaks down and that pocket begins to collap, 391 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts now becomes a threat as a runner, and 392 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: not a runner who's looking to slide or who's looking 393 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: to kind of tiptoe. No, he's looking to run with 394 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: ni with some force. He has some wiggle. So not 395 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: only is he looking to deliver the ball down the field, 396 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: which he can, but when it breaks down on third 397 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: and seven and third and eight, now all the linebackers 398 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: have dropped back in coverage, and linebackers who may not 399 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: have played a lot this season will play a lot 400 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: more snaps because of the appsence of Laton vander Esh 401 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: and those guys have dropped deep, and all that open 402 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: field is there a guy like Jalen Hurts will be 403 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: able to break containment, get in the open field and 404 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: convert those third downs, and you just you hope that 405 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: aren't those critical ones late in the game or when 406 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: you really need to get off the field. But he 407 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: brings a headache to you. And I know that Barrier 408 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: will be able to explain this a little bit better 409 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: than I am from the defensive perspective, but he brings 410 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: a headache to you because he's a guy that you 411 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: have to account for as a weapon in the offensive game, 412 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: not only as a runner. I'm not only as a thrower, 413 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: but as a bona fide runner. Barry, Yeah, Jesse, percent right. 414 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: This guy is a headache waiting to happen. And I'm 415 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: not on team Tank. I'm on team Let's make this 416 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: NFC's playoffs. And I was hoping, a matter of fact, 417 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: I was praying that Carson Wentz was going to be 418 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: in the lineup. I was hoping that mister Turnover himself 419 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: was going to be in the lineup and we were 420 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: gonna go out there and pick him apart. But but 421 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: he's not. They got Hurts in there, and this guy 422 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: is diagnamic the way he's able to he's faster than 423 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: you want them to be, and he's more accurate than 424 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: you want them to be. And like Jesse said, when 425 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: the pocket breaks down and everything around him is going crazy, 426 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: he has that innate ability to escape. Somehow, some way. 427 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: He finds a sliver, a crack in a hole somewhere 428 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: and he escapes out there. And then he becomes kind 429 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: of like Russell Wilson ESK. I'm not saying he's as 430 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: good as Russell Wilson, but he becomes Russell Wilson X 431 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: looking there's no way, not even close, not even close. 432 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: But the way he's able to look down the field 433 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: as he's trying to escape, he's not always trying to 434 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: escape and run the ball and get down field to 435 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: use his legs. He's looking to extend the play and 436 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: get the ball down the field. And as a defender, 437 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: that is one of the hardest things you can defend, 438 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: because when he starts doing that, it's already hard enough 439 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: to cover these receivers, you know, as a play is developing, 440 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: but as the play breaks down and it becomes backyard football, 441 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: and the receivers are running all the way over just 442 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: trying to get open for their quarterback. It becomes extremely 443 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: hard as a defender to defend that. And when you 444 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: got a guy like Hurts who's able to run around 445 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: by time and still has the arm strength to get 446 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: the ball down the field, it's a hard, hard thing 447 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: to defend. And this Cowboys team with missing starters, like 448 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: you said, on all three levels, the defensive line, linebacker, 449 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: and the secondary, it's going to be hard to defend 450 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: this guy. For somehow, some way, we have got to 451 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: take the ball away from him, get our offense in 452 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: short fields, and hopefully come away with a dog. Nate Wow, Man, 453 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: I got buried church. Who brings his own segment on 454 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: our pregame show, the church he preaches. When we got 455 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: what we call on our show, we got Jesse, we 456 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: call him the gospel. So I got the gospel in 457 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: the pastor let's bringing the church. You know what I'm saying. 458 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: And so all I can say to what y'all said 459 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: is glory, glory, to glory, glory, because that man were runing, 460 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: because you were running. If the Cowboys do not line 461 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: off right and do not tackle tonight, this early day 462 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: game will be a disaster. I said on our show, 463 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: and I meant this. We could be rolling along at 464 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: a good clip. The Eagles can have a worse team 465 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: than us, like they did last year, and we will 466 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: find a way to lose the game because one of 467 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: the coordinators get wacky and do something weird. Now we 468 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: supposed to beat the Eagles Sunday s I don't care 469 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: who were missing. We're supposed to beat them. That's just 470 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: wait and see what happened. I'm hoping what Church and 471 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean, what the what the uh said? Don't get 472 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: the gospels? Hope it don't work? Well, don't work. I'm 473 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily convinced that the Cowboys have the majority of 474 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: the momentum. I know that the Eagles lost against Arizona, 475 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: but the fact that they played Arizona as well as 476 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: they did, I feel like gave them confidence. And it 477 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: hurts by himself is given a shot in the arm 478 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: to everybody on that Eagle sideline, Nate, are you surely 479 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: confident that the Cowboys are one thing? What the line is? 480 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: As good as this kid has been for the Eagles, 481 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: and he's been that shot in um Okay, he's that 482 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: double head of express. So I understand that this kid 483 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: will put the ball on the ground. I have a 484 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: guy who church is name the striker. His name is 485 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson. When everybody else missed the tackles, he don't. 486 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: He not only makes the tackle, but he knocks balls loose. 487 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: And if he cannot miss this kid in the open field, 488 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: he can bring the pain. And all I needed is 489 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: for one of those cornerbacks who's been standing around to 490 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: pick the ball up. Do you see another turnover for 491 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, Jesse, do you think he could continue the 492 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: hot streak. I mean he had to turnover against the 493 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: Eagles the first time around. Yeah. I like Donovan Wilson, 494 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: and people will think I don't like Donovan Wilson. The 495 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: thing the thing that I struggle with when it comes 496 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: to Donovan Wilson. And I know this is coming from 497 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: an offensive guy, but you know they label him as 498 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: the hitman, and that's great, and that's fine. Striker, the striker, 499 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: whatever they want to call him, trying to make it 500 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: more consistent in coverage I need. I needed to be 501 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: more consistent. He plays a little bit too erratic for me, 502 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: and sometimes this was the nineteen nineties. Great bring the 503 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: striker all day long, but we don't play in the 504 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. Anymore we play in the year of twenty twenty, 505 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: and that type of physicality from that position, they don't 506 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: welcome that really well in the National Football League. And example, 507 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: he had a fifteen yard penalty when the defense should 508 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: have got off the field last week because he came 509 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: downhill ready to be a striker. I just want him 510 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: to have to know he has to be almost Chris 511 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Chris Kyle with his striking. You gotta be accurate. You 512 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: have to be an assassin when you do this, because 513 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: it comes a point in time of the game if 514 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: you're coming downhill and you're trying to be that striking force. 515 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: I don't need a fifteen yard targeting penalty. I don't 516 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: need a unncessary roughness penalty. I don't I don't need it. 517 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: I don't need to hit a defensive receiver penalty. And 518 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: it extends to drive for the team. So be a striker, 519 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: be aggressive, be physical, but understand how to do it 520 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: and win to do it. Because if it's third down 521 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: and we need to get off the field because they've 522 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: had the ball for the last four or five minutes 523 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: and they're on an eight, nine, ten, eleven play, drive 524 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: and we got him. We got him. It's third or whatever, 525 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: and you come downhill all crazy and now it's a 526 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: targeting penalty, and now we give them a free first 527 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: down in fifteen yards. That's my only that's my only gright. 528 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: What I have with him is be physical, be the enforcer, 529 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: be aggressive, just have it under control. Just don't be 530 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: all over the place, and don't let your aggressiveness lead 531 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: to somebody, you know, getting over top of you and 532 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: behind your head. I like that a lot. I do. 533 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: I think that's a key for Donovan Wilson, especially since 534 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: I mean he's not the big time prospect that you 535 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: normally would want as a guy who's going to come 536 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: in and be a game changer. I mean, it was 537 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: a sixth round pick, but Barry, how tough is that 538 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: for a safety to do? To come down and be 539 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: the hammer, come down, be the enforcer, be the strike 540 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: or as you want to call him, but also be 541 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: under control at the same time, because I feel like 542 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: those things don't come hand in hand quite easily. Oh 543 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: they don't. And it's something that you know, you learn 544 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: over time. And this guy is still young. He's still young. 545 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: He's in his first season. Of really getting a lot 546 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: of playing time. And I mean he's called the striker, 547 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: and that's what I can see. I can live with 548 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: that as a as a defender, I can live with 549 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: that guy being aggressive, being downhill, striking everything that moves. Yeah, 550 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: you might catch a penalty here and there, but I 551 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: can go in the foxhil I can go with an 552 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: into war with someone knowing that he's gonna go one 553 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour no matter what the situation is. 554 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: So I can live with that. But he does have 555 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: to develop a little bit more. Well, you need you 556 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: need the safety. You mean the safety going one hundred 557 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: miles an hour all the time I thought, I thought 558 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: Stafey weren't supposed to do that in cowboy uniformstry to believe, 559 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: to believe. I'm sorry, your boy, your boy, who's who's 560 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: gonna miss this game? He doesn't believe in going one 561 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour each and every play, And that's 562 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: probably why he won't be back here next year. But that, 563 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, that's another point for another day. But for 564 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: me overall, he kind of for me overall, Wilson kind 565 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: of reminds me of Wilcox right now, he's very aggressive, 566 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: and that's JJ Wilcox reminds me of him a lot 567 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: because he's very aggressive. He's very downhill, but he can miss. 568 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: He has the ability to miss out there. So he 569 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: has to get that control part of his game. And 570 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: he comes downhill as far as his breaks too, when 571 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: he's breaking on the ball, So he has to get 572 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: that control part of the game. Like Jesse has has said, 573 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: has mentioned that he has to get that under control. 574 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: But if he's able to do that, I think the 575 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: future is bright for this kid. J And like JJ Willcox, 576 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: all you gotta decide, is he that thirty play or 577 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: less player? Yes, put him in situations where he can 578 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: be that guy. That's where great coaching come in at 579 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: I like what both of you guys have said. But 580 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: we got to have that type of player because take 581 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: him off the field and guess what. Guys are running 582 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: behind us, Guys are catching balls all over us. This 583 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: guy's in timor data. So you have to take a 584 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: live bit of risk, you know, and turn on the lights. 585 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: As mister Jones you say so. I love how much 586 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: shade is thrown in this show. I feel like every 587 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: couple of seconds it's a sprinkle here, it's a splash there. 588 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: It's just things in the mix that normally shouldn't really 589 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: be in the mix. But I love it at the 590 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: same time because there's a lot of shade to be 591 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: thrown around. But when we come back here on Hanging 592 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: with the Talking Players lounge, well, we're gonna talk about 593 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott and how they could work 594 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: together in that backfield to produce a little bit more 595 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: of the ground game that the Cowboys have definitely been 596 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: missing here in twenty twenty. Right after the break, we're 597 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: back in a tasty treat that's sweeping air waves and 598 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: taste buds. It's new Doctor Peppery creep Soda. Let's take 599 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: a listen, Doctor Batman and cream soda. Is he a 600 00:32:52,840 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: new combone? That's music to my ears? 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I'm just trying to lead 634 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: the way here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, but i 635 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: think I'm losing internet connection, so I'm going to pass 636 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 1: things off to Jesse really quickly here and Jesse whenever 637 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: it comes to the offense, and Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott. 638 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard had his first start of his career. What 639 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: did you think about what you saw from Tony? Is 640 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 1: that something he can continue the rest of the season. Yeah. 641 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: I think Tony did what they wanted him to do. 642 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: He wasn't bad, he wasn't spectacular. He was good. He 643 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: rushed the ball for sixty nine yards. He caught the 644 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: ball for sixty yards. That's what he's supposed to do. 645 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't any like, that's the thing. I found it amazing, 646 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: And I think Cowboy fans, we're looking for something and 647 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: we're we're, we're, we're, we're hypocondracts, and we over exaggerated everything. 648 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: So any little thing, it's like, oh my god, he 649 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: shouldn't be starting to go with zee. He had one 650 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: run for forty yards. Other than that, he would have 651 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: literally rushed for twelve carries for twenty two yards or 652 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: twenty nine yards in an entire football game that he 653 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: was the lead back in. So I don't want to 654 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like I'm throwing shade at 655 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: Tony Pollock. But I am the voice of reason. I 656 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: am the voice of reason around here. And he wasn't bad. 657 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: He wasn't spectacular. He did what he was supposed to 658 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: do in the game that in the road they gave him. 659 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's it's easy. Here's a couple 660 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: thing that you have to remember. One it's easy to say, 661 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, oh, well he did and needs that and 662 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: he did it in the one game. When those yards 663 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: and those carries and those miles begin to get on 664 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: your back, I don't know how explosive he will be. 665 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: I played with a guy named Felix Jones. And when 666 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: Felix was the complimentary back to Marry and Barber, he 667 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,919 Speaker 1: was lights out. He would come in out to Marry 668 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: and didn't tend to ride the defense up and he 669 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: would break one for sixty seventy yards or screenplayers, some 670 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: thing like that. And then they decided, you know what, well, 671 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna make Felix our every down back and we're 672 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: gonna let Marion Barbara go. And then they gave the 673 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: ball to Felix twenty to twenty five times the games, 674 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: and he couldn't cut it. They beginning to wear on him, 675 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: his body beginning to wear it down. He didn't have 676 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: the burst, He didn't have the elusionment that he once had. 677 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: Because when you gotta be a blitz pick up in 678 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: the first down back and the second down back, and 679 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: you gotta hit the three hundred and thirty pound those 680 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: tackle and the linebacker is constantly hitting you, and you 681 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: gotta pick up those blitzing safeties over time through a 682 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen week season, that begins to wear on you. 683 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: And so I know that Zeke may not have the 684 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: burst that he once had, but you try giving Tony 685 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: Poller two hundred and fifty three hundred carries a season, 686 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: and see it, see it. See how elusive and how 687 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: a fast and burst he he is after a couple 688 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: of years of that, so you know, we gotta kind 689 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: of almost pump out brakes a little bit again. Tony 690 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: Pollard is a nice change of pace back. He's a 691 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: nice compliment to a lead back. But he did nothing 692 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: in that game that wiled me. He did exactly what 693 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: you thought he would be able to catch the ball cleanly, 694 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: make some plays in space, protect a football and run 695 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: it you know where he can, and pick up some 696 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: decent yards and break a big play after you've worn 697 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: down a defense a little bit. I mean, that's exactly 698 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: what you brought him into to do, and that's what 699 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: he did on Sunday, and sure it looked good. I 700 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: mean it was fun and everybody saw, Hey, forty yards 701 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: on a touchdown run. We haven't seen that in a 702 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: while from Zeke, So I see where fans are coming from. 703 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: But once again, I'm right there with you, Jesse. I 704 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: think he's a good complimentary back. But Tony Pollard also 705 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: said this week that that Zeke is his number one 706 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: fan and you hear that every now and again from 707 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: different teammates or players in the league, and even even 708 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: outside of football. These complimentary basketball players, these second tier 709 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: basketball players that are playing under a big guy and 710 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: they have a big game. It's you know, you know, 711 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: James Harden's my number one fan, says Russell Westbrook. Not 712 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: so much. But there are different things that you look 713 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: at from these players perspective. Dud said, I want to 714 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: hear from you guys started with Nate. But do you 715 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: think that's that's real? Do you think that there is 716 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: legitimate support there or is that just something that players 717 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: say to say to the media, or is there maybe 718 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: even a little bit of competition and discontent that locker room. 719 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: I think Zeke is confident in who he is and 720 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: what he makes to be able to say that true. 721 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: That's good point. I'm making twelve million dollars a year. 722 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: You're making fifteen hundred dollars a week. Hey brought me 723 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: a biggest fan by Yeah, you know, I gotta agree 724 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: with Nat on that one. I mean, look, he could 725 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: say that. He could say that because, like they said, 726 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he's the lead dog, he's making the most. 727 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: He he knows for a fact that his job is 728 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: not under any type of scrutiny or under any type 729 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: of you know, billingness to give it up at any 730 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: type of at any chance. I mean, look, Zeke, he 731 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 1: can say that, but at the end of the day, 732 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: like if Tony Poler started cutting into his carries, or 733 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: if we've seen the head coach saying, hey man, PTP, 734 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: this is your job. Now, Zeke a saying none of that. 735 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: He's going straight to Jerry. Hey, what the heck is 736 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: going on here? This dude ain't nowhere near as good 737 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: as me? Why is he splitting carries with me? What 738 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: is going on here? I'm making the most money, I'm 739 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: your investment. Why is he getting these carries? It would 740 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: change the script so fast it wouldn't even be funny. 741 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: So now he can say that because he's in a 742 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: position where he's at right now, and it's it's always 743 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: funny because and Nayton Barry knows this. There's this, there's 744 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: this healthy friendship slash competition and in position groups, right, 745 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, listen, we're all safeties, we're all receivers, 746 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: we're all lynman, and we all like each other. We 747 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: genuinely like each other. But there's this quiet, spoken, unspoken 748 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: language of you, my guy, but I'm coming for your job, 749 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: especially if you're playing in front of me, and and 750 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: and and Yes we are in a brotherhood, and I 751 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 1: get it, but I promise you as a as as 752 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: a backup receiver. I never want to see anyone get hurt. 753 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, that's gonna be a four week 754 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: ankle injury. Oh and my lion fellas, I don't want 755 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: to see. I never want to see anyone get hurt. 756 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: But I'm not upset if the ankle injury is four 757 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: to five weeks, I'm not upset. I'm not conteers understand this. 758 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: Anybody that's a fifth rounder or down to free agency 759 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: like all three of us is. I don't care what 760 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: happened to you. If I get that opportunity to get 761 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: your job and the coaches being sad, you would not 762 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: get it back. M That's the bottom line. That's that's 763 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: how I feel. Every time Barry hosts a church segment 764 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: on Sunday on Pregame Live, I just know there's some 765 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: friendly competition between the Pregame Live crew and I know 766 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: Barry look at a cross kind of giving me the 767 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: side eye every time he hosts a really nice segment now. 768 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: But no, I've always been interested about that because there 769 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: has to be that friendship, there has to be that brotherhood, 770 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: but there also has to be the competition and a 771 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: healthy competition. It's what you want in locker room, and 772 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: you need to have that balance of both. And I 773 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: think that's a better competition in your locker room, that 774 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: better your team. When you have a team that is 775 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: truly complacent, you have a losing team that is part 776 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: of the culture. You can go to Kansas City right 777 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 1: now and you can talk to Anthony Hitchins or Wilson, 778 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: and I asked them like, hey man, how do you 779 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: feel you feel comfortable? And they're gonna tell you know ah, 780 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: because when you're winning, when you're winning, and you you 781 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: want more. When I started winning, I wanted more Pro Bowls. 782 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: I wanted more All Pros. I would look at the 783 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: next guy. I used to want to look at the 784 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,719 Speaker 1: next offensive guard or the next offensive time. I was 785 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: looking at what they were doing during the week, not 786 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: on my team, because I felt I was better than 787 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: what was on my team. I'm talking on other teams. 788 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: You want to be the best, the more you win. 789 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 1: But when you got this so losing attitude, yeah we're okay, 790 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, these moral victories everybody won. Losing brains, complacency 791 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: and brains. Friendships, competitiveness, brains, a bond that will never 792 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: be broken. I love Troy forever, Mike Irvan forever because 793 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: they would not let me fail and I would not 794 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: let them fail. That's competitiveness. And this is why you'll 795 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: never hear players be team tankers. We're never gonna be 796 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: team tankers one because it's just not who we are. 797 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: We understand the sacrifice that it takes to go to 798 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: put it into be a professional player. Into quitters. Those 799 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: are quitters, they quit. But we also understand, right, we 800 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 1: also understand if if you tank and we're really bad 801 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: on defense, and I'm Barry Church and they're gonna go 802 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: get a defensive player and they're gonna focus on defense. 803 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: Wait a second, my job may be in My job 804 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: may be in trouble if if we're tanking and our 805 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: job and we're back quickensive and I'm and I'm an 806 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: offensive player, you know, And I've told this story one 807 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: of the reasons a lot of people were upset that 808 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. The year we drafted Dez Bryant was because 809 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: when we left our team meeting, Jason Garrett told the offense, oh, no, 810 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're good. We're gonna look defensively. And so 811 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: with me, Patrick Craton, Roy Williams, Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, 812 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 1: Kevin Ogtree, we're chilling. We're like, okay, good, you know, 813 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna get our little vacation on. And I'm in 814 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: Mexico and I'm watching the draft and it's I'm in 815 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm in can Con, and I'm the television, the telecaster 816 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: in Spanish, and all our is no Dez Bryant. And 817 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: I said, lady that I was with. She said, the 818 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: Cowboys took dazz Brant. And I ran in there and 819 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: I looked at my phone and before I can even 820 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,959 Speaker 1: before I can even unlock my phone, I had missed 821 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: calls from Patrick Craig, and I miss I had missed 822 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: calls because now I was like, wait a second, was 823 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: it you add another first round receiver into this room? 824 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: Somebody gotta go. So yeah, that's that's always in the 825 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: back of my mother. Man. I tell you, man, I 826 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: was here and went through the same thing. Yes, same thing. 827 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: I had two second round picks coming straight for my job. 828 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: One of us, a kid out of the University of Florida, 829 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: played with my brother second round pick. I mean, it's 830 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: just in the newspaper. I mean, I'm mean, you used 831 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,400 Speaker 1: to be ruth it's not a soft they used to 832 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: be ruthless. They knew would no longer be here because 833 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: they got this guy, and they got this guy and 834 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 1: they will not be here. This guy will be starting 835 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: doing training camp and I'm like, wow, I mean, and 836 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: so people are like, you know, young ladys me is like, 837 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: how you feel about that. I'm like, man, I gotta 838 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 1: go to work. I gotta go to work. And thank god, 839 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: this dude like to eating more and I didn't. He 840 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: never made wait, he never I stopped eating for a while. 841 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: He can d so I may thank you. See I 842 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: tell people, man, when I look at a dude and 843 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: I can't have a little fear of him taking my job, 844 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I get up that morning out, man, I 845 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: work out tomorrow to do behind. Really, but boy, it's 846 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: a little healthy fear there that you may walk to 847 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: your locker and it's two guys sitting in there and 848 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: both of y'all and all of y'all four hundred pounds 849 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: trying to get around each other. That little lockers used 850 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, it's my lineup, But I understand 851 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: he brought y'all on him doing the off day, so 852 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: it's y'all locker two. Come on, man, that's that's some fear. Bro. 853 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: You pick out that window on that Tuesday, and they 854 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: got they work when they work out today. Yeah, and 855 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,319 Speaker 1: everything got the clock and every man. And the thing 856 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 1: about it Saray cap makes it wear certain guys. But 857 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: I tell people, I say, even before it was a 858 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: sary cap, it was still certain guys that were gonna 859 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 1: make your team. First round picks, Guys like that, guys 860 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,720 Speaker 1: they gave the money to. So this has always been around, 861 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: but I've never seen the complacency that I see now. 862 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 1: And it doesn't breathe winning. Yeah, no, it doesn't. And 863 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: that's why you see a season like this, even with 864 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: all the injuries. It's easy to make an excuse for 865 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, but hopefully the Cowboys can keep some of 866 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: this momentum. Hopefully it does breed winning into twenty twenty one. 867 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,760 Speaker 1: When you get your guys back and you get healthy. 868 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of fans are, 869 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: and they're split between making the playoffs or at least 870 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: making a push for the playoffs. You still need a 871 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,879 Speaker 1: lot of help to get there. But winning and quote 872 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: unquote tanking. I mean, there's fans split both ways, but 873 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: I think winning is going to help you out a 874 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: lot more as you head into the final couple of 875 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: weeks of the season. But that's going to do it 876 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: for us here on this question before we leave, I try, 877 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: is tanking quitting? That's quitting? It is quitn Okay, Okay, 878 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: thank you glad. I'm sorry. I got a little emotional. Yeah, 879 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: I could tell. I could tell. Now. I wanted to 880 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,399 Speaker 1: wish everybody listening a Marry Christmas, Mary, Christmas to you three. 881 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: It was a ton of fun hanging out with you 882 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,919 Speaker 1: here over the last forty five minutes. We'll be sure 883 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: to do it again. Along the way, you can catch 884 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: Nate Newton and Jesse Holly on hanging with the boys 885 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,720 Speaker 1: every week day. They bring the heat. It's an awesome 886 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,359 Speaker 1: show hosted by Shannon Gross. If you haven't go check 887 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: it out already, It's fantastic. And then Barry Church is 888 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: on the Players Lounge with Neui Scrugs and Danny McCray. 889 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: That's an awesome show as well, but that's gonna do 890 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: it for us. It's been a oh goodness, oh you 891 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: guys have fun, Marry Christmas. Everybody days safe, yea Christmas Trees. 892 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 1: I'm bringing the word quitted instead of tank. Do it, 893 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: do it, love it when we We'll be back on 894 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: Monday to break things down here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 895 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: But for Nate Newton, for Bury Church and Jesse Holly 896 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: and Chris Beam holding down the fordm Kyle yeomens will 897 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 1: see you next time. Cowboys winning the East. This has 898 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the 899 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,439 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club.