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Speaker 1: Hey, Off the Cup listeners.

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Speaker 2: You know, I like to give you a little something extra.

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Speaker 2: That's why we do a talking Coffee and a talking

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Speaker 2: politics and an Off the Cup. Well, I've got a

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Speaker 2: bonus episode for you. It's a pre episode primer. So

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Speaker 2: we have an episode coming up of Off the Cup

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Speaker 2: with Rama Manuel. It's fantastic. We talk about a lot

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Speaker 2: of different things, but I'm realizing we talk a lot

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Speaker 2: about fishing. We get pretty nerdy about fishing, and my

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Speaker 2: producers alerted me to something, which is why they're great producers.

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Speaker 2: We throw around a lot of phishing terms that maybe

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Speaker 2: not everyone understands. I do it with total lack of consideration.

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Speaker 1: For the listeners.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to do a pre interview primer of

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Speaker 2: fishing terms so that when you go and listen to

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Speaker 2: the Rama manual Off the Cup episode, which I know

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Speaker 2: you will, you'll be completely prepared and armed with the language,

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Speaker 2: and you won't be, you know, looking stuff up as

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Speaker 2: you listen. So who better to help me do that

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Speaker 2: than my favorite fishing buddy and my husband, John Goodwin.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Off the cop Fly Fishing Edition.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on the best topic ever. I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: This like other than coffee. This is like what you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the most.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, I'll drop anything to talk

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Speaker 3: about this.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to the glossary, rom and I talked

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Speaker 2: about a lot of like bucket list places to go fishing.

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Speaker 2: He mentioned he's been to New Zealand. He mentions going

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Speaker 2: to Mongolia. I mentioned I want to go to Andorra.

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Speaker 2: We both talk about fishing. I think in Brazil and Alaska.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, what's the top of your bucket list

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Speaker 2: for fly fishing destinations.

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Speaker 1: Give me like a top three?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, New Zealand. I mean the scenery alone,

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Speaker 3: plus you've just got these wild trout that are very

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Speaker 3: challenging and technical. Just that's a dream. Number two. I

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Speaker 3: think I'd like to try the chalk streams of England,

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Speaker 3: which is where, by most accounts, fly fishing originated. And

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Speaker 3: these very specific streams that kind of go through the

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Speaker 3: English countryside. And chalk streams is very specific, you know,

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Speaker 3: like chalk like chalk cliffs, and that's very clear, free

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Speaker 3: flowing streams, and that's where they believe fly fishing originated.

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Speaker 3: It just seems like such a Big Spot, and then

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Speaker 3: Alaska for trout. I've done salmon in Alaska, but I've

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Speaker 3: never done trout, so just giant you know, rainbows and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: I'd really love to hit up Alaska for some trout fishing,

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Speaker 3: not just salmon.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of places where I have you beat,

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Speaker 2: but I've done trout fishing in Alaska.

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Speaker 1: I know you have caught Dolly Varden, caught grailing.

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Speaker 3: I want to do those some trouts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great?

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Speaker 2: And what's their your favorite place that you've already been, Like,

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Speaker 2: you do you just love going back to this spot?

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Speaker 3: Sure? So I think my favorite is probably the Owahi

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Speaker 3: in Idaho. It's a kind of on the Idaho Oregon

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Speaker 3: border and it's these giant cliffs and you're kind of

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Speaker 3: fishing down in the middle of it. And I've never

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Speaker 3: seen more trout in one place. The sun was going

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Speaker 3: down and they were all sipping on flies on the surface,

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Speaker 3: and you just saw these mouths and it's just a

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Speaker 3: river of mouths like this, and I was just in awe.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even cast, I just watched. So that scenery,

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Speaker 3: those that amount of fish just someplace I can't wait

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Speaker 2: Like the equivalent of like a deep like a boil

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just wanted to watch it. It was insane.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite fishing trip you've done with me.

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Speaker 3: I loved our float trip down the Snake in Wyoming.

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Speaker 3: It was so fun. We caught so many fish. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we had a lot of laughter, and you're pregnant with

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Speaker 3: Jack and your belly. It was it was just such

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Speaker 3: a fun, unique trip that we did together.

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Speaker 1: You're leaving out the most important part of that trip.

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Speaker 3: You caught probably the state record mountain white fish.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and our guide did not have a ruler or

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was a donkey.

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Speaker 3: It was a donkey certified donkey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, let's get into a glossary to explain some

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Speaker 2: of the terms. I'm sure we just use some of

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Speaker 2: them now, but we'll explain some of the terms that

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Speaker 2: come up in this ram emmanual podcasting episode, which I'm

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Speaker 2: sure he'll be tickled about as well. Okay, so we'll

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Speaker 2: just go through the list, got it. What is fly fishing?

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Speaker 3: Fly fishing is when you are fishing using the weight

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Speaker 3: of the line to cast rather than the weight of

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Speaker 3: the lure. So you have a very light fly that

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Speaker 3: mimics usually a fly or a small fish at the

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Speaker 3: end of the line, but instead of the weight being

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Speaker 3: the lure, the weight is in the line. So that's

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Speaker 3: how you have to cast, with the line helping propel

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Speaker 3: your bait or fly towards the fish.

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Speaker 2: Okay, or fishing with the fly instead of a lure, right, sure, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: What is spin fishing? That's what I prefer. Sure.

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Speaker 3: Spin fishing is when you use sort of the traditional

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Speaker 3: reel that you spin the reel and the line comes

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Speaker 3: on it the fishing everyone.

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Speaker 1: Knows, Yeah, reel it back in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they brought up casting.

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Speaker 1: I think that's we explained it.

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Speaker 2: That's when you throw your line out, whether whatever kind

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Speaker 2: of rod you're using.

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Speaker 3: Hitting, hitting, I think that's from the fish bites, correct hooking,

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Speaker 3: getting that right in the jaw exactly. Yep.

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Speaker 1: I think I use this term jigging.

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Speaker 3: Jigging is usually like a weighted lure or fly on

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Speaker 3: the bottom and you kind of bounce it up and.

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Speaker 1: Down on the bottom.

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Speaker 2: Right, So sometimes you're casting and you're trying to hit

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Speaker 2: middle water. Sometime you're trying to hit top water. Jigging

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Speaker 2: happens on the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, generally yep, up and down jigging.

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Speaker 1: What is the fly?

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Speaker 3: A fly? I is a lure that's tied to mimic

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Speaker 3: fish's natural food, right, and it's very lightweight.

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Speaker 2: So I know I said this to Rom I was talking.

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Speaker 2: I was telling a story of salmon fishing in Alaska,

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Speaker 2: which I did on a eggsack bait.

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Speaker 1: So what is that?

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Speaker 3: Sure? So you know, fish eat each other's eggs, just

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Speaker 3: like we eat chicken's eggs. So trout and salmon will

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Speaker 3: generally eat their own eggs and you just put them

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Speaker 3: in a bag otherwise because they're so small, right, you

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Speaker 3: put them in a bag and you throw it down

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Super gelatinous, really weird feel, but very effective, especially when

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Speaker 2: they're biting. What's a blind? This is out of fishing now,

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Speaker 2: but apparently I used this term.

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Speaker 1: What's the blind?

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Speaker 3: A blind is when you're hunting and it's like a

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Speaker 3: small structure to sort of hide from your prey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, deer, birds, whatever, what is a float as in

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Speaker 2: like a three day float?

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Speaker 3: Sure, So instead of waiting to go fly fishing, you

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Speaker 3: would float down the river, generally in a drift boat,

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Speaker 3: so you're covering a lot more water as you go

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Speaker 3: down stream.

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Speaker 1: So when you say wading, spell that w A.

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Speaker 1: And what is that.

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Speaker 3: Waiting is when you're walking in to a river or

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Speaker 3: pond and generally you're either in waiters to keep you dry,

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Speaker 3: or you can wade where you just walk in and

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Speaker 1: Raw dogg it you will if you will?

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Speaker 3: Yep, exactly?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think I said, what's a king?

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Speaker 3: King is the species of salmon. So you've got several

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Speaker 3: primary species king, pink, coho silver?

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Speaker 1: You got you got five?

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Speaker 3: Oh, king coho silver, ink, pink? And is that it?

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Speaker 1: No, there's another one silver kokini?

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Uh no, I.

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Speaker 2: Forget, but there there are. There's a trick to knowing

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Speaker 2: them because they're you. You make them the fingers of

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Speaker 2: your hand. Oh sure, Like the king is the thumb,

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Speaker 2: the pink is the pinky. I forget how it goes?

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Speaker 2: But what is a big brown?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Well, there's you know, primary species of trout or

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Speaker 3: brown rainbow brook and a brown is just a big

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Speaker 1: Yes, morom I think said use the term reading the water.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: M So you know, fish like to hold and feed

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Speaker 3: seam and that's where the bait's gonna be drifting and

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Speaker 3: the fish during line up, So you're gonna read the

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Speaker 3: most likely feeding to better your chances of hooking them.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I forget who said this, but one of us said,

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Speaker 2: and then you just let it run.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? That could be you're talking spin

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Speaker 1: fishing for.

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Speaker 3: This, sure, I think that's when you've got a fish

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Speaker 3: on the line. And if they're too green, which means

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Speaker 3: they've got a lot of energy, they can be harder

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Speaker 3: to get to shore. They could break your line. So

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Speaker 3: if you let them run, you let them take a

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Speaker 3: little line, wear them out a little bit so you

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Speaker 3: can really out yep.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And then lastly, apparently there was a place that needs

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Speaker 2: to be discussed or defined keen I.

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Speaker 3: Keenine Peninsula, Alaska, Great salmon trout fishing capital of you

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Speaker 3: know America.

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Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, it's both it's both the peninsula and the river. Yep,

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Speaker 2: the keen I and the and the confluence of the

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Speaker 2: Russian River and the keen I are where people usually go.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think this was a very helpful explanation of commonly

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Speaker 2: used fishing and hunting terms that I hope makes listening

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Speaker 2: to Robin Manuel's episode of Off the Cup a little easier.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Don, who welcome to meets