1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: works dot Com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas and 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: this is our second summer Reading episodes for this year. Again. 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: Last year we did an episode where Julie and I 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: shared some some recommendations a little science a little fiction, 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: a little science fiction for our more enlightened listeners, to 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: listeners out there who might want to read something during 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: their travels around the beach. Everyone seemed to get a 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: kick out of it, so we thought, let's do it again, 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: except let's do an extra episode where we we have 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: some guests come on and shared their ideas of about 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: what you might want to read this summer. Uh so 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: that's what this episode is all about. We have three 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: external guests from the outside world and three internal guests 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: from how stuff works dot com. Mry guests, yes, but 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: pretty soon not so much a mystery. So we're gonna 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: kick things off here with an external guest. The man 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: by the name of DJ Food also goes by the 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: name strictly keV. He is a UK DJ, performing artist 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: and overall connoisseur of all things weird and wonderful in 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: the areas of music, comics, sci fi needs to say. 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: Food has a really busy schedule, but I said, hey, 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: I'll reach out to him. He's he's involved in all 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: these very cool projects. He's he's constantly keeping track of 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: interesting books, interesting music, interesting comics on his website dj 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: food dot org, where he's constantly sharing his his own music, 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: his own mixes, his uh stuff about his lawyerst album, 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: as well as all sorts of cool comics, lots of 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: cool design stuff. Highly recommend checking that out. And now 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: let's hear from the man himself with three recommendations for 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: your summer reading. Hi, I'm DJ Food otherwise owned a 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: strictly keb and I'm here to present it three things 34 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: to blow your mind. First off, I've got a great 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: book called King City by an artist in rights called 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Brandon Graham who's kind of tearing things in the comics 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: world at the moment. For the company image, King's City 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: is I think twelve issues collected of a comic that 39 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: completely passed me by. The story is revolves around a 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: number of people who live in King City. The city 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: is kind of the star of the book, but there's 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: a guy who's a cat master, who's kind of like 43 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: a ninja master of a cat that can do all 44 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: sorts of crazy things and change its body and stuff. 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: And there's an adventure of him, and there's a venture 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: of his ex girlfriend. There's eventually his friend whose name 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: escapes me now. But one of the things I like 48 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: about it is there's masses of detail on every page 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: and suddenly you'll dip into a cross word or join 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: the dots page or a game, even on a double 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: page spread. So it's a very unique way of storytelling 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: and it's a good page turn. So if you think 53 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: you know comics, you know, if we both know, I'm 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: sure everyone your your listeners know that it's not all 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: about d C and Marvel and guys and tights and capes. 56 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: This is this is something that anyone could get into. 57 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: You never have to really read a comic, mer are 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: It's not just a guy thing you can except you 59 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: know easily, girls can get into it, no problem. So 60 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: there you go. Not a very description, but it's it's 61 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: a very unique comic. So that's my first one. The 62 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: second one is another huge book copendium by Julian Cope. 63 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: You might know Julian Cope, the should I say rock 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: star singer artists recording artist spun to fame over here 65 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: anyway in the UK with the teardrop explodes. Um. He's 66 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: also a very good writer. If you ever find his 67 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: biography head on, it's well worth reading. But this is 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: something else. It's it's a collection of his album reviews 69 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: he used to do on his website, sort of arranged 70 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: in the sort of chronological alternate history of rock writing 71 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: from the last half of the twentieth century. It starts 72 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: at the end of the fifties. We all know the 73 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: accepted classics of rock led Zeppelin, the Who, the Beatles 74 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: of Stones, etcetera, etcetera. This is an alternate version of that. 75 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: It's um the things that fell under the radar, the 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: weird and the one for all the private pressings, the 77 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: oddities that he thinks that just as worthy as any 78 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: Beatles album but never got the kudos. So um, it's 79 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: a very very readable book. Again, he's got an excellent 80 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: turn of phrase, a sort of mixed of sort of 81 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: Hippie and Celtic if that makes any sense. And just 82 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: I always enjoy reading his stuff. As I said, his 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: biography head on is incredible. Um, he's had a very 84 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: interesting life and he's got a very unique tape on music. 85 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: It's as good as any writer you're reading the Music 86 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: press or on online Indium and Expedition into the Rock 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: and Roll Underground by Julian Cope. And last, but not least, 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: we have Watching the Watchman by Dave Gibbons, designed by 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: Chick Kidd and Mike Essel. And I'm sure a lot 90 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: of readers or listeners would know Watchman the comic Animore 91 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: and Ve Gibbons classic, you know, one of the first 92 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: graphic novels in inverted commas. This is a huge each 93 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: cover table book which basically explores the artwork at the 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: background and the genesis of the whole thing, including never 95 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: seen before artwork, preliminary designs, layouts for pages, promotional items, 96 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: original drawings, merchandise, the whole thing from start to finish 97 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: in order of the creation of Watchman by Dave Gibbons, 98 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: laid out superbly by the designership Kid with lots of 99 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: very very magnified illustrations splashed across the pages so you 100 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: really get into the grain of the book, and running 101 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: commentary by Dave Gibbons talking about the genesis of the book, 102 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: how he put it together, how we designed things, lots 103 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: of little clues which I'd never seen in the original 104 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: comics that he put in for people to find, and 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: just a very interesting historical look back at the classic 106 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: basically the making of a classic, and how the comics 107 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: industry changed from the beginning of the book to two 108 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: years later when it finished and it was it literally 109 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: did help change the comics industry overnight. Cool. I think 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: those are all three very interesting recommendations there. I was, 111 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: of course, I'm familiar with Watchman. Everyone I think it's 112 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: familiar with Watchman at this point, a very important comic book. 113 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: And uh, and it would be interesting for anyone out 114 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: there who's a fan to check out, um this this 115 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: new volume that gives even more visual insight into that world. 116 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: And uh, the other comic that Food mentioned, King City, 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: I have not read, but wow, I was just looking 118 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: at some of the visuals from this and it looks phenomenal. 119 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: One of the skills we were looking at here involved 120 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: like a space suit and kind of adorable cats crawling 121 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: all over the place. It's it's really wonderful looking. And 122 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: as far as Julian Cope goes, I think you had 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: some experience. Yeah. Yeah, Julian Couple was definitely in heavy 124 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: rotation some number of years ago in our household. And 125 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: I have to say, my husband's kind of mixed mixed 126 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: master and he's the person who curates the music in 127 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: our house. So um, I think that this will be 128 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: in an awesome there's day present for him because he 129 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: is a huge Julian Cope fan. And now I have 130 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: absolutely like, I mean going home after this and I'm 131 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: gonna put some Julian Cope in rotation because I that's 132 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: some good stuff. So I can't wait to check that out. Now, 133 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: since that book deals with with music, I would like 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: to play just a quick clip from DJ Foods two 135 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: thou twelve albums The Search Engine, which includes this track 136 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: the Electric Hoax featuring Natural Self, which really seems to 137 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: to summon some of the vibes that are discussed in 138 00:07:29,520 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: this in this book. Yeah ye see. And next we 139 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: are going to listen to Lauren vogel Bond's recommendations. She 140 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: is the co host of tech Stuff and forward Thinking 141 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: and just all around wonderful person. Yes, definitely a bookworm. 142 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: So when we set out to do this episode. I 143 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: was like, well, we gotta ask Lauren, because she's one 144 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: of these people that will bring you books and set 145 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: them on your desk and uh and and give you 146 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: strong recommendations on one which you need to read. And 147 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: so she has a couple here for you. Hey. There, 148 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. I'm the co host of tech Stuff 149 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: and also Forward Thinking, and I've got a couple of 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: recommendations for your summer reading list. This first one is 151 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: a book that you'd find in the Kids too Young 152 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: Adults section, but I think it's a good choice for 153 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: all ages. It's called The Gate. It's by John Connolly, 154 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: and the reason that I'm recommending it is Okay, the 155 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: crux of the plot of this book rests on two things, 156 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: large Hadron collider and a demon horde that is trying 157 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: to come through it in order to take over the world. 158 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: And that seems like prime stuff to blow your mind 159 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: fan material right there. The language in it is is 160 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: really just cheeky and hilarious. It's got science and fantasy. 161 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: There's a ton of footnotes, all the stuff that I 162 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: really love in a good young adult book about demons 163 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: and science, and at its core, it's it's really about 164 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: a very clever boy and his extremely brave docs, and 165 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: it's it's heart woman and wonderful and uh, if young 166 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: adult is not necessarily your thing, Connolly has a lot 167 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: of other books for children and adults, and I recommend 168 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: most of them. My second wreck on the list is 169 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: called The Magicians. It's by Love Grossman, and this one 170 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: is for grown ups only, or mature audiences or immature 171 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: mature audiences. I'm never really sure why mature is the 172 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: word that they choose to use when they're saying that 173 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: there's sex and alcohol use in a book. But it's 174 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: sort of like if Harry Potter had been set in 175 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: college and involved an extremely disaffected main character. The reason 176 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: that I'm recommending this one specifically is that, um, it's 177 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: got a system of magic in it, and uh, the 178 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: magical ability in this universe is based on a level 179 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: of creativity and intelligence in a person, in addition to 180 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: a a psyche breaking level of study that essentially renders magicians, uh, 181 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: not really operating under the normal confines of what we 182 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: would call sanity anymore. And to me, that's fascinating watching 183 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: these characters kind of go through this process and deal 184 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: with it and also deal with normal coming of age, 185 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: growing up sort of things. Also with within the story, 186 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: there's there's a series of fictional books about a magical 187 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: land called Philery, and this is a direct parallel to 188 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: the Narnia land and books and theories by C. S. Lewis. 189 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I loved Narnia, and the 190 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: protagonist of the Magicians was a huge fan of the 191 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: Philery books when he was a kid, and it becomes 192 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: really a very important part of the story. And just 193 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: watching what Grossman does with that source material, if you 194 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: know the Narnia books, becomes immensely fun. The book is 195 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: dry and very rilely funny and very poignant. It's it's 196 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: beautiful and heartbreaking and winds up being very hopeful in 197 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: in strange and lovely ways. Also there's a sequel and 198 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: that is on my summer reading list. So I hope 199 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: that you guys check out one or both of these. 200 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: If you do, tell Robert and Julie how you feel 201 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: about them, or if you want to, you can drop 202 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: me an email. You can reach me at tech stuff 203 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: at Discovery dot com, and I would love to hear 204 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: from you and uh yeah, enjoy your summer now. I 205 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: think it's it's awesome that she she brought up The 206 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: Magicians by Love Grossman because my wife just finished reading 207 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: this book and is already on the second book that 208 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: it follows it, and just just a word of caution. 209 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: When she was first reading it, I had actually given 210 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: it to her as a birthday gift, so she first 211 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: when she first started reading it, she was like, you know, 212 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: it's it's all right, It's all right, And then she 213 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: definitely reached a point where then she was just just 214 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: completely obsessed with it. Uh. And this is this world 215 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: of magic that it creates. So um So if you 216 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: pick it up and it's not getting you right away, 217 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: just just wait because if this test case proves to 218 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: be accurate, um, it will get his hooks into you. Well. 219 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: I kind of have a hundred page rule, Like if 220 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm hundred page pages into it and it's not really 221 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: gripping me, then I kind of feel like, Okay, maybe 222 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: it's not the thing for me. Although I really do 223 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: prefer to finish a book. Yeah, and its entirety, but 224 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: I do feel like sometimes it takes a while for 225 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: the author to kind of get into the material and 226 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: lay it all down to where you're you're firmly set 227 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: in the trap. Yeah, I feel like a hundred page 228 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: rule is pretty fair because because on one hand, you 229 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: don't want to quit books and put them back on 230 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: the shelf or return them unfinished, and you know, you 231 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: want to get your money's worth out of it. You 232 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: don't want to be a quitter. But on the other hand, 233 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: life is short. You can only read so many books 234 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: in this life, and it's just not worth it to 235 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: struggle through when you're not enjoying. And I know people 236 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: who refuse to give up, like it'll be for months. 237 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: They're complaining about this book they're reading, and you're you're like, 238 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: don't finish it. What are you doing? I've done it 239 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: twice twice. One was a book that had been us 240 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: in the title, and I can't remember it, but I 241 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: was just I think I actually threw it across the 242 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: the room, um. And then the second one. And I 243 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: would love to pick this up sometime when I have 244 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: like one thousand weeks in a row just to do nothing, 245 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: and that is the infinite just which I think. I 246 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: was on page two hundred and eighty and then I went, Okay, 247 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, and it was. And it was so 248 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: frustrating to me because this story, the characters were very intriguing, 249 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: but there was so much bobbing and weaving between that 250 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: I kept feeling as though I was dumped on the 251 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: side as a reader and would have to keep sort 252 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: of picking back up. So emotionally, I was like, oh, 253 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: but I was really invested in this, sorry, and here 254 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: I am in some other world. Well, you know, it's 255 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in the right book for the 256 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: right time. You know, sometimes it'll it'll be a great book, 257 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: and it will even be a great book for you, 258 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: but you have to be in the proper headspace for it. 259 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: You've got to have the right appetite for it at 260 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: the time. I mean, we all have those books on 261 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: our shelves who are like, oh, I really would love 262 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: to read that, but it's just not time yet. I 263 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: would love to hear from a listener who has read 264 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: Infinite just all the way through, and I would love 265 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: to know whether or not it really lives up to 266 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: the hype, Like if you put one thousand pages of 267 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: reading into it, will you feel like you had a 268 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: return on investment. On the other side, so if anybody's 269 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: out there, let us know. Alright, up next, we're gonna 270 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: hear from Mary Roach, who was, of course the author 271 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: of Stiff Spook, Bonk Packing from Ours and most recently Gold. 272 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Of course you've heard us talk about golf. You've heard 273 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: us interview Mary Roach about this book. Uh. And and 274 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: we we we read it and ended up doing a 275 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: number of episodes on Digestion as a spinoff from it. 276 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: So of course we highly recommend any book by Mary 277 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: Roach Beach. But but we we also in our recent 278 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: talk whether we asked Mary, it's like, well, what books 279 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: are you excited about? Because I'm always interested in that, 280 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, what's feeding the minds of the minds that 281 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: feed us. Uh. And she had a couple of really 282 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: tantalizing suggestions for your summer reading. There's a book that 283 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: is coming out by John Mullum uh M O O 284 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: A L. L. E. M. Called Wild Ones. And John 285 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: Lallum he wrote, I don't know if you saw it 286 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: was a cover story in the New York Times magazine 287 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: about homosexuality and animals and people who study it. And 288 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: and he is just the most amazing in terms of 289 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: his research, his ability to write beautiful essay and this 290 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: it's just this writing style, and it's this wonderful book. Well, 291 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: it's about how endangered species and and and basically humans 292 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: and how we see animals and what we decide to 293 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: save and what we don't decide to save, and just 294 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: the the unique views of humans, the approach towards different 295 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: animal species over the years. And it's very hard to 296 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: describe that book in a way that captures the sparkle 297 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: and interests of it. Anyway, I love that book and 298 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: that is coming out, I believe in May. Yeah, so 299 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: that's coming up. I'm trying to think what else I've 300 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: seen that is coming up. Rose George who wrote that 301 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: wonderful book on that called The Big Necessity, which I 302 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: had to do with poop and sanitation and the global 303 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: need for clean bathrooms. A lovely science writer, fascinating book, 304 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: and she has a new one coming out on shipping 305 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: global the world behind the scenes world of shipping, which 306 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: is not science, it's not exactly science, but in terms 307 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: of how things work. Just I can't wait to read it, 308 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: just just because you know, everything's shipped and it's this 309 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: sort of secret network that's out there and nobody really 310 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: knows much about it, and she spent a year on 311 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: ships and in shipyards and really uh sharreting that out. 312 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that one very much too. 313 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: So there, yeah, there you go. Uh. That shipping book 314 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: sounds really interesting. Unfortunately, as of the publication date of 315 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: this particular episode, that book is not out yet. Definitely, 316 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: as you're listening to this in the future, uh, it 317 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: is probably already available, but as of now, you're gonna 318 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: have to wait on that, and instead you'll have to 319 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: go after The Big Necessity, which seems like an awesome 320 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: book on its own, very interesting. Um. I also wanted 321 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: to point out that Rose George was a war correspondent 322 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: and she also has a book out on refugees, so 323 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: it seems to me like she has covered the spread 324 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: no matter what the topic, as she does some deep 325 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: dives on that and John mullum um the Wild Ones book. 326 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait to pick that up because I keep 327 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: thinking that that would be a really nice companion book 328 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: to the book we discussed last year, which was Some 329 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: we Love, Some we Hate, and Some We Eat, which 330 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: at our relationship with animals and Malalam just kind of 331 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: takes it sounds like a different look at animals and 332 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: how we perceive them. And in fact, we have referenced 333 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: one of his articles before when we talked about homosexuality 334 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: and animals. Very interested to see what other sort of 335 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: discoveries he has in that book. Cool, you know, we're 336 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna take a quick break and when we 337 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: come back, we will hit you with three more guests. Um, 338 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: just throw them at you, Just throw them at you. 339 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: Two of them are going to be in house here 340 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: from some House Stuff Works podcasters that you you may 341 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: or may not be familiar with already. And then we're 342 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: also gonna hear from one more guest. Is Tracy thisling 343 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: Tracy alright, color back right after these uh these words. 344 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: All right, we're back and uh for this. For this 345 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: half of the episode, we're gonna kick things off with 346 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: Tracy V. Wilson, one of the long term of Faces 347 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: Voices writers here the rock of How Stuff Works. Yeah, 348 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: she's uh, she's the site manager as well as co 349 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: host of formerly of Pop Stuff and currently of Stuff 350 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: you Missed in a history class. So obviously we turned 351 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: to Tracy. We know she's a big reader, really into 352 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: sci fi and fantasy and writer herself writer herself that 353 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: she's an and a poet, and we said, well, hey, 354 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's let's reach it out out to her, 355 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: see what she's got. And we just said, hey, whatever 356 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: you want to recommend to our listeners, let us have it. 357 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: So here you go. Hi. My name is Tracy V. Wilson, 358 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: co host of Stuff You Missed in History Class, and 359 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: here's my contribution to your summer reading list. It is 360 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: a combination of history and science fiction called The Doomsday 361 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Book by Connie Willis. It came out in and it's 362 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: about a world where historians study history by actually traveling 363 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: back in time to observe things. And in this book, 364 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: our histor, Orion, our hero of the story, is traveling 365 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: back to the Middle Ages, and she is the first 366 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: historian ever to do this. Of course, things do not 367 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: go as planned, either in the Middle Ages or back home. 368 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: It is a page turner and I hope you all 369 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Well, that one sounds fun, That one sounds uh, 370 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's a little sort of time travel thrown 371 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: in there. I knew that she is a fan of that, 372 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: even in her own writing, So yeah, be interesting to 373 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: check out. All right. Up next, we're gonna hear from 374 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: David Barnett, who is an English journalist and author. You 375 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: may have seen his work and wired, Uh, the Independent, 376 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: and he's also a regular contributor to Tour Books, the 377 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: blog over there which it covers a lot of fantasy, 378 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: sci fi literary stuff. And I actually block a little 379 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: bit over there at tour Um, so I said, hey, 380 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: well it's let me reach out and see whoever at 381 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: tour will be interested in talking to us and sharing 382 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: some work with us. David also is a novelist. He's 383 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: written the books The Hinterland, Angel, Glass, Pop Cult, Don't 384 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: Let Them Take You Alive and Uh. He also has 385 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: a book called Gideon Smith and the Mechanical Girl, which 386 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: is alternative history, steam bunk Victorianism, just a lot of 387 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: fun stuff thrown in there. And he has some some 388 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: more horror themed books for us for those of you 389 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: who want something a little spooky or a little grimmer 390 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: for your summer reading. So let's hear from David. Hello. 391 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: My name is David Barnett, and I'm an author and 392 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: journalist based in the North of England, where I live 393 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: with my wife Claire and our children Charlie and Alice. 394 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: The first book in my alternate history Victoriana series, Gideon 395 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: Smith and the Mechanical Girl, is published in September by 396 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: Tall Books in the US and Snow Books in the UK, 397 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: and you can find my writing on science fictional matters, 398 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: among other things, at Tall dot com and other places. 399 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: I'd like to recommend for your summer reads a couple 400 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: of books that are very different but which could be 401 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: said to be thematically linked. They're all horror books, and 402 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: although at least two of them do actually deal with 403 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: a supernatural, they're all notable for routing their individual horrors 404 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: very much in the real world by way of a 405 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: firm grounding in science. The first book I'd like to 406 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: talk about is Red Moon by Benjamin Percy, which was 407 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: published in May. Red Moon is in essence a werewolf book, 408 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: but Percy kind of expertly brings his wolf men and 409 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: wolf women out from the shadows cast by the full 410 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: moon and puts them under a very contemporary and scientific spotlight. 411 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: In the world of Red Moon, werewolves or likens as 412 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: the non to the general public, aren't the product of 413 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: the occult or the supernatural, but rather those who have 414 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: been infected by a prion based BSc type disease. This 415 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: can and is often passed on by way of a 416 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: bite in the traditional werewolf style, or by other sharings 417 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: of bodily fluids. As as Percy goes into quite a bit. 418 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: He is an associate editor for Esquire Magazine. Is writing 419 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: is very cool and assured and sexy. Red Moon is 420 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: set in the modern day, but in a world that's 421 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: been greatly changed by the existence of Likens for a 422 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: century or more. So. It's kind of alternate history, retrofitted 423 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: history in itself. In the present day of the book, 424 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: Likens our government registered. They have to keep the transformations 425 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: under control with strict usage of government proved drugs. There's 426 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: actually a Like and Homeland, which is created from a 427 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: vast tract of wasteland between Finland and Russia, where American 428 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: martial law is established to look after things. Western companies 429 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: mind the rich uranium reserves. Their American troops are actually 430 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: fighting kind of an Afghanistan style war against Like and 431 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: Rebels in the mountains of this early godforsaken landscape, and 432 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: Red Moon kind of is about how the Like and 433 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Rebels are bringing the war home to America and the 434 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: Lins in person's book kind of double for any number 435 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: of ethnic or minority groups, and their history in the 436 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: US has parallels with the civil rights movements of the sixties, Islamophobia, 437 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: fundamental terrorism in the present day pro fight. It's a 438 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: very kind of post nine eleven sort of book, and 439 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: Percy quite deftly tells all sides of the story by 440 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: following different characters with different objectives, different viewpoints. So there's 441 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: very much an anti like and senator who's running for president. 442 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: There's a young guy who's the main focus of the 443 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: book whose father is away with the army fighting in 444 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: the like and homeland, and there's a young woman who's 445 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: her self alike, and and all these stories, as you 446 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: would expect, come together for a fairly explosive climax. And 447 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: it's a very ns blockbuster of a novel, as much 448 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: a political thriller as it is a horror novel. I think. 449 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: Another book which is heavy on the science, though it 450 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: does bring supernatural elements to the four quite more than 451 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: Red Moon is Revivor by Seth Patrick, which is out 452 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of June, and this takes another standard 453 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: horror trope, which is people who can talk to the dead, 454 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: which we've seen a lot in movies and books, but 455 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: it gives it a very smart and glossy modern twist. Basically, 456 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: revive a twelve years or so before the action in 457 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: the book, the world discovers the existence of these people 458 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: who can, by touching the hands of the flesh of 459 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: the dead shortly after they've died, have conversations with them 460 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: temporarily bring them back to life, only for a few minutes, 461 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: but it enables them to have brief conversations with them. Obviously, 462 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: this is greeted with a wide range of panic and 463 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: then interest and curiosity, but it isn't very long before 464 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: the military and the police applications of this come to 465 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: the fall. So by the time the action in the 466 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: book takes place, which is so modern day criminal investigations, 467 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: homicide investigations especially heavily using revivers. They can bring murder 468 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: victims back to life at the scene for a few minutes, 469 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: and those mode of victims can immediately identify their killers, 470 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: so it changes the whole face of criminal investigations. The 471 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: book follows a guy called Joan and Miller who was 472 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: a forensic reviver. He's brought into murder scenes to question 473 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: the newly dead about the moments that led to their killings. 474 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: It's it's quite tough, demanding work. It really takes it 475 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: out of these revivers that these guys doing this, It 476 00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: really sort of hammers them both psychically and psychologically and physically. 477 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: Jonah finds himself increasingly troubled by the revivals he is doing, 478 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: not just because of the exhaustion it brings on, but 479 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: because he can't shake the feeling that when he starts 480 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: to temporarily revive the dead, there's kind of some other 481 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: presence that's lurking on the edges and wanting to come through. 482 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: It's revives great edge of the seat read which possibly 483 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: owes more to shiny, high tech TV crime shows than 484 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: a traditional horror. It's kind of like C S I Zombie, 485 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: something like that, Patrick pals On. The tension doesn't spur 486 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: the shocks, and it keeps the revelations coming thick and fast. 487 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: So it's a really good summer blockbuster read again. The 488 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: third book I'd like to do our attention to is 489 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: one that has been it a little longer than though 490 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: that those of us. It's called London Falling by Paul Cornell. 491 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: Now this is much heavier on the supernatural, but it 492 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: does taken a lot of scientifics the side of it, 493 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: not so much with the technical side of things, but 494 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: more in the science of police work really, So it 495 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: has some parallels with Reviving that it concentrates on the 496 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: police work and how that is linked to the supernatural 497 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: in this story, but it's much much grittier, much more 498 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: down to earth. It uh, It's London Falling, concentrates on 499 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: the science really of old school policing as seen through 500 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: the eyes of a bunch of coppers in present day London. 501 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: Paul Cornell is perhaps more well known for his comic 502 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: book work. He's currently the addor of Wolverine from Marvel, 503 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: and he's also a lot of TV work, written some 504 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Who episodes, and this is his first novel and 505 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: it's very accomplished, inspired and genuinely scary. I think, possibly 506 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: more scary than the other two books, which are more 507 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: thriller type novels, but this, this, I think ticks all 508 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: the old style horror boxes. The story follows this team 509 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: of police detectives and they're investigating series of child disappearances 510 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: in London, and they slowly become to realize that This 511 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: is looks like the work of a woman who should 512 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: be along dead, and she's got some strange links to 513 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: an English football team that's socked team for American listeners, 514 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: west Ham United, and it sounds quite odd on paper, 515 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: but Cornell really pulls all these strands together. It's very British, 516 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: though in in my copy he does helpfully provide a 517 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: glossary of terms at the back of the book that's 518 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: perhaps as much for other English readers as it is 519 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: for American readers because a lot of its London Company 520 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: Eastern type stuff. So it's quite interesting that respect, and 521 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: it's very um It would possibly appeal to anyone who 522 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: may have enjoyed Hell Blazer John Constantine comics from Vertigo. 523 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: It's that kind of rough and ready sort of horror, 524 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: and if anyone out there remembers the Sweeney the older 525 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: seventies British Cops show with JOHNA. Thorne Dennis Waterman, it's 526 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: that kind of don't and dirty vibe with this gritty, 527 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: grimy urban horror. And there's a there's an amazing revelation 528 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: involving one of the main characters which absolutely not my 529 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: socks off when it comes and I bet it does 530 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: the same friend on Nels who reads it as well, 531 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: And so those really am I recommended summer reads. There 532 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: perhaps a little dark for summer, but I think they'll 533 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: definitely stick in your mind. And the perfect beach reads 534 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: to my mind. Cool. Well, I you know, I'm particularly 535 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: interested in Benjamin Percy's Red Moon, the idea of taking 536 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: taking the werewolf myth and then explaining it with a 537 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: little science, throwing in some pyon diseases in there. It's 538 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: I love new takes on old monsters. Yeah, and well, 539 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: the werewolf is I think just a great classic monster. 540 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: So anyway that you can sort of get to that 541 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: story in a new and refreshing way, I'm all for that. 542 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: Let's go on to our last contributor. Here is Christen Conger, 543 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: she of Stuff Mom Never Told You. He has a 544 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: great recommendation, and here it is. Hey, this is Kristen Conger, 545 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: co host of Stuff Mom Never Told You, and my 546 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: summer book reading recommendation is Breasts, A Natural and Unnatural 547 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,239 Speaker 1: History by Florence Williams. I literally took it with me 548 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: to the beach last week when I went on a 549 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: brief vacation and dived right into it and it's a 550 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: fascinating look at both the evolution and science of human 551 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: breasts and also our cultural associations with it. How breast 552 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: implants became a thing. Hint it has to do with 553 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: paraffin injections, yikes. And Florence Williams is a great job 554 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: using really engaging language to draw you into not only 555 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: the science but also the cultural history of breasts. So 556 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: if you want to bring a book to the pool 557 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: side or beach side with you that Mike get some 558 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: looks because it does say press on the cover. I 559 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: highly recommend it. It's a really great read and it 560 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: appeals to the brainier side and also the lady's side, 561 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: And so yeah, check it out. Florence Williams Breasts and 562 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: Natural and Unnatural History. Well, there you go. The science, 563 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: the biology, the history of breast sounds like a good 564 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: place to to end out the podcast. I cannot actually 565 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: wait to check out this book myself, because I think 566 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: that it's one of those things that well, you can't deny. 567 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: All of us have breast real female right so um 568 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: as we discussed in our milk episode, and men have 569 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: all the same equipment and under the right circumstances can 570 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: certainly lacktate as well, so we all have breasts well 571 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: and culturally this is a huge thing right for us. Um. 572 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: Sorry that there's I feel like there are breast chips 573 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: right there in the surface and I will try not 574 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: to touch them. But well, there he goes again. Uh So, anyway, 575 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: I just wanted to point out that on Slate this week, 576 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: one of the top performing articles was about bras and 577 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: about how there's new sizes something like ten different new 578 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: sizes that are coming out because apparently the broad industry 579 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: is servicing women in an all together wrongheaded manner um. 580 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: And I thought that was fascinating. I thought this one 581 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: article on sort of revamping the bra industry is number 582 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: one for this week on Slate. Well, it directly influences 583 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: like half the population, So there you go. That's right. 584 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Well awesome. Well, I would like to personally thank all 585 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 1: of the the individuals who took time out of their 586 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: schedule in house or elsewhere in the world and on 587 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: other continents to to talk with us, to think think 588 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: it over and come up with some books and and 589 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: share you know, their their ideas and share the stuff 590 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: they love with you. Guys. I think it's it's easy 591 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: to overlook how cool that is because so many times 592 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: people who produce content, uh, you know, you get pped 593 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: up in in your own stuff, creating your own stuff, 594 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: promoting your own stuff, and it's it's it's really cool 595 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: when somebody takes some time to say, you know what, 596 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: this is the stuff I love that influences me, but 597 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: it's not of me, and I would like to to 598 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: share it. So so thanks to to everybody who who 599 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: chimed in. 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