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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie, and you're listening to stuff I've

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Speaker 1: listeners have requested the missing and murdered Indigenous women of

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Speaker 1: happy to be joined with Christine Novis from Seating Sovereignty UM.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Christine, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about yourself and

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Speaker 1: about Seating Sovereignty. Uh? Yeah, UM. I'm playing Scriss salto

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Speaker 1: of the George Gordon First Nation in Saskatchewan, Canada. UM.

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Speaker 1: But I grew up in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, which sometimes

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Speaker 1: I've been living in Iowa for about thirteen years. I

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Speaker 1: came here to get my degree. I have a degree

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Speaker 1: in a master's degree in religious studies with a focus

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Speaker 1: on Native American religion of culture and a minor in

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Speaker 1: American Indian Native Studies and Seating Sovereignty UM is an

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Speaker 1: organization that's been around just for a few years, kind

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Speaker 1: the name of Janet mcgilvary UH founded it UM and

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Speaker 1: then I started working with Seating Sovereignty almost two years

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Speaker 1: And we kind of do I don't know what you

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Speaker 1: that question. We do media, we do UM, a lot

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Speaker 1: of UM writing, UM, we do a lot of community

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Speaker 1: I love it and that's one of the reasons UM.

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Speaker 1: I reached out to you, and I'm so glad because

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Speaker 1: like a year, so I'm really happy this this happened. UM.

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Speaker 1: But before we get started, I did want to include

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Speaker 1: the legal definition of missing in the United States. So

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Speaker 1: the United States. So Christine, could you tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about M M I W. Yeah, well, UM,

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Speaker 1: similar situations that are being faced in Canada. And in Canada, actually,

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Speaker 1: very long time was M Y G my WG missing

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Speaker 1: Canadian Mounted Police, the RCMP, they started their own task barce.

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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago now, UM just start looking into this

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Speaker 1: But but this this is not something new either. It's

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Speaker 1: One poll found that thirty of Native Americans don't contact

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Speaker 1: I have um Savannah's Act from North Dakota. UM. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a genocide. And that's a really bad combination. Yes, that

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Speaker 1: is a terrible combination. Yeah, Um, that's UM, we'll definitely

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Speaker 1: have to include that database and the notes for this episode.

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Speaker 1: That's really anything. Yeah, it's at UM Sovereign hayphen Bodies

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Speaker 1: dot Org. I believe because it used to be myw

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Speaker 1: but did she changed the So yeah, it's just sovereign

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Speaker 1: bodies institute. I think they'll find it perfect. Um. And

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Speaker 1: we've already been talking about Canada a little bit. Um

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Speaker 1: that we mentioned some of the numbers. It's they're very

435
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Speaker 1: very they're disturbing, UM. And there it is a big

436
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Speaker 1: conversation in Canada right now when it comes to laws

437
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Speaker 1: attempting to be passed. UM. I don't know if you

438
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Speaker 1: could talk about some of those things or some of

439
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: the things in Canada that are happening around this. Oh jeez, UM,

440
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Speaker 1: Well it's been happening for a long time. UM. There's

441
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: been a recognition that this is an issue in Canada,

442
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: UM for quite some time. UM. When I see there's

443
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Speaker 1: been a recognition, I mean it's not like our people

444
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: haven't known that already. So our people have always known this,

445
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Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it's part of business as

446
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: usual unfortunately, uh in Indian country to know that your

447
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: life doesn't mean as much as um, a white person's life.

448
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: And however, um, you know, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

449
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: has has recognized this UM for about I don't know,

450
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna guess twenty years they've they've been

451
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: recognizing it, um, but haven't really done anything. I said

452
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: until about I think about fifteen years ago, UM, when

453
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: they started their might W and MMIGHTWG task force. So

454
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: you wanted me to talk about sorry, um Harper for instance.

455
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: I see you mentioned Harper in here. Um this issue

456
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: wasn't on his radar, Yes, of course, UM. I don't

457
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: know if I Trudeau seems to have um a better

458
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: understanding of this issue, except right now Indigenous people are

459
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: mad at him in general because he's not recognizing our

460
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Speaker 1: sovereignty um. And so it's really hard to trust somebody

461
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: to do something about this crisis when in essence they're not.

462
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: They're also just allowing you know, pipelines and and all

463
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: sorts of other um, devastating projects to go through our territories,

464
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Speaker 1: which we should have the right to say no to.

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Speaker 1: So it's such a complicated phenomenon because you know, these

466
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Speaker 1: people say, oh, we recognize there's this crisis of Indigenous

467
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: women that are you know, and it's not just women,

468
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: by the way, like this is people like I tend

469
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Speaker 1: to want to um call this an m A M M.

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Speaker 1: I p issue because um are men. From what I've

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Speaker 1: been told by UM, a fellow grassroots activists who actually

472
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Speaker 1: does this for a living search for Native people, she

473
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: tells me that she thinks our men go missing at

474
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Speaker 1: um higher rate, but because they're not caregivers, they're not

475
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Speaker 1: necessarily reported because you know, you because in a lot

476
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: of cases, the mothers are the caregivers of our children,

477
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: like they go missing quicker is you know, and so um.

478
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: But anyways, back to what I was saying, the the

479
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: issue that I see is that body sovereignty is very

480
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: much linked to land sovereignty. When the settler invaders came

481
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: to colonize this land, the process of that is too

482
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: to take the land, you know, you know, just to

483
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: take it because it's free real estate for the sake

484
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: of you know, living on it, and then extracting the

485
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Speaker 1: resources from it in the in then in the process

486
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Speaker 1: you have to mitigate the local population either through you know, annihilation, assimilation,

487
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Speaker 1: or slavery. And so one of the one of the

488
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: one of the tactics that's that's used is to attack

489
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Speaker 1: the woman, to to dismantle the family units um and

490
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: to basically to cause uh, just a basic shutdown of

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Speaker 1: the functioning of a tribe. And that is to um,

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Speaker 1: you know, rape the woman, kill the woman, Uh, do

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Speaker 1: all sorts of they're they're I mean, I I there's

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Speaker 1: stories that I just I don't know if your listeners

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00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: want to hear, like, there's just there are stories that

496
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: are just so atrocious that it's it's hard to believe

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Speaker 1: that human beings would do this to one another. And

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Speaker 1: so this right here is and I know I seem

499
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Speaker 1: like I'm going off on a tangent, but this right

500
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Speaker 1: here is exactly it though, Because they don't see us

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00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: as human beings and therefore we don't have any body sovereignty. Um.

502
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: In the quest to take the land, our body sovereignty

503
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: is removed, right and it's still it still has not

504
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: come back. It's we're still fighting to revive that. We're

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: still fighting two to own that in a way, you know, Um,

506
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: we're not as safe um as your regular white person. Yeah,

507
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: and um, there was obviously we I did some research

508
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: on the media coverage around this, and that that was

509
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: something that I ran into and unfortunately didn't surprise me.

510
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Speaker 1: But um, that it took a white woman going missing

511
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Speaker 1: for authorities to look into Um, what what was I

512
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: think it was the Highway of Tears. Um. It turns

513
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Speaker 1: out eight of the women who went missing previously we're white,

514
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: but reporters mistakenly thought they were indigenous, so they didn't

515
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Speaker 1: really report on it. And then um, yeah when it

516
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: was a white woman, and then suddenly it was like, oh, yeah,

517
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: let's look at this. So that's definitely a piece of

518
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. And it's it's unfortunate and terrible,

519
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: it really is. Um. You know, you know, when there's

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00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: a white person that goes missing, you see the picture

521
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: all over the place, right, yeah, like all over the

522
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: nation even, and it's a national news. Um. How often

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00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: do you see that for an indigenous woman or a

524
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: black woman or like a Latino woman. Yeah. I just

525
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: really don't know. It's just and I it's just sometimes

526
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: like the institutionalized racism that like is that like runs

527
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: this country like just blows my mind, Like I can't

528
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Speaker 1: It's almost like I I can't believe that. It's it's

529
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: almost like I'm in some different dimension, like is this

530
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: a joke? You know? Like how was that a thing?

531
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: How is that a thing right now in this day

532
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: and age? But then I remember, you know, the Civil

533
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: rights movement and the Red Power movement that was only

534
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: like what sixty years ago. I mean, are we really

535
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: going to wipe out like you know, uh, five hundred

536
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: years of genocide and colonization like that happened before that,

537
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: like just from the past sixty years. No, I mean,

538
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: like some of the people that were in those revolutions

539
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: are still living today. You know, my grandmother went to

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Speaker 1: a residential school, my grandfather did, um, and so like

541
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like two generations away from like being beaten

542
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: for speaking my language and probably you know, um, sexually

543
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, assaulted, um and and you know, high likelihood

544
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: of even being murdered just because I'm a Native person

545
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: attending forced into a residential school. So I'm only two

546
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: generations away from that, yeah, um and and actually not

547
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: really not even my aunt also went to the same

548
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: residential school that um my grandmother went to. So to

549
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm just one generation away from it. Yeah.

550
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: Um it that yeah, it's it's so uh, there's so

551
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: much work to be done. Um. We have a little

552
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: bit more that we want to touch on, but first

553
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: we're going to pause for a quick break for word

554
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Speaker 1: from our sponsor m HM, and we're back. Thank you sponsor,

555
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm glad that we're having this conversation and

556
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: that you're you're here to hopefully bring this like the

557
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: attention at least some of the attention that it deserves

558
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: that we've been ignoring it for so long. UM. Are

559
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: there are there things that listeners can do? M resources

560
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: for them? UM? Yeah. I like to give people something

561
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: that they can they can do. UM. I would like

562
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: them to support the database UM that I was talking

563
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: about earlier that Anita lu Chessi has been working on. UM.

564
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: I would like them to call their local um legislature

565
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: and ask them to push through the Savannah Act and

566
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: the Survive Act. UM. I would like them to get

567
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: to know uh the local tribe in their area. UM.

568
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: It's through unity that we can make a difference. It's

569
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: through people getting to know us UM and and and

570
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: and humanize us basically that they're going to understand more

571
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: of what's going on. UM. That this issue just doesn't

572
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: affect uh, you know indigenous people either. You know, it

573
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: affects us all because this is UM a part of

574
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: the human condition. UM. By looking at what's happening with

575
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: indigenous people as well, Like you know, you have an

576
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: understanding of sex trafficking that's happening everywhere to all people. Mhm. UM,

577
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a really it's an issue that affects everybody. UM.

578
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to see people push to see VAA reauthorized

579
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: because right now it's it's um. It didn't get reauthorized

580
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: on February UM when the government sorted up again that

581
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: the Democrats say they didn't they're the ones that stopped

582
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: it from being reauthorized because they want to do something

583
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: to it. UM. Hopefully it's to uh fix the I

584
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: don't know if you know what Trump did to the

585
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: definition of domestic violence, but it was very quietly done.

586
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: He gutted the definition of domestic violence in the VAWA,

587
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: so where as it used to be quite expansive, and

588
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: it took years to get to that point, and it

589
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: talked about UM, emotional violence, it talked about uh, psychological

590
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, all those other um, you know issues. UM.

591
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: Right now it's just like one line that's a very

592
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: much UM and like very much just like um a

593
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: judicial definition. You know, Uh, domestic violence is violence uh

594
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: committed on one person uh by another that blah blah

595
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: blah lives in their household or something like that. Like

596
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: that's that's what it. You can look at the I have,

597
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: UM I think if you could, somebody has taken screenshots

598
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: of what it used to look like and you can

599
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: we confined it online, but like, um, it was much

600
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: more expansive. And so I I know, I'd like to

601
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: see people like talk about that and and see if

602
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: they can get that changed. UM. You know, like figure

603
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: out what's going on in your own state, Like right now,

604
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: there are UM, like I said, you know, Minnesota is

605
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: working on their own MYW task Force, New Mexico, UM,

606
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: A few other states, UM, South Dakota, UM, possibly no

607
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Dakota if I can, I can't remember. UM. But you know,

608
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: like every state should have its own task force M

609
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: and so that that's really important. UM. You know there's

610
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: there's some amazing um grassroots uh organizations UM uh like

611
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: uh White Buffalo Calfwoman's Society in South Dakota that they've

612
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: been around for a long time. I think, like jeez,

613
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: um thirty or forty years and they've been doing this

614
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: work uh to help women in their community for a

615
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: long time. UM on the Brave Heart society, same thing, UM.

616
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: And you know, we need to recognize that there are

617
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: people in the reservations or in inner city urban UM

618
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: communities where there are high populations of Native people that

619
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: have seen this hue and have been trying to deal

620
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: with it for a very long time. And we need

621
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Speaker 1: to recognize that. You know, I'm just a voice for

622
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: UM right now for a lot of these people that

623
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: are doing the work on the ground. Do you know

624
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I want to I want these

625
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: people recognize UM or not, you know, and their work

626
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: that needs to be recognized. A lot of people don't

627
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: know about it, UM. And you know, it doesn't take

628
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: much to figure it out or to find out what's

629
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: going on. No, because we have the internet now, you

630
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: can pretty much find out anything you want. Yeah, yep,

631
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: it's there for for you. Yes, UM. Yeah, I'm I'm

632
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: so so happy to have this conversation with you. Is

633
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: there anything that you want to talk about before we

634
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: close out? There's always events going on. That's the other thing, UM.

635
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: You know, look into UM. It's called the Coalition to

636
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Speaker 1: Stop Violence against Native Woman MHM and UM it's www

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Speaker 1: dot c s v A n W dot org. UM,

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Speaker 1: so you can find a lot of information on this page. Great. Perfect,

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Speaker 1: And also I don't want people to forget that, UM,

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Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community, he's also highly targeted as well. UM.

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Speaker 1: You know, not only is there a lot of hate

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Speaker 1: geared towards this community, but then you know, become indigenous

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Speaker 1: on top of that, Uh, you know, you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: some serious UM issues in terms of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: your safety. So I just thought that would be important

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Speaker 1: to mention. Absolutely absolutely, UM, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: for joining us today. This has been so it's been

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Speaker 1: such an a very I'm so glad that you're here

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Speaker 1: to have this conversation. I'm so glad that after I've

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Speaker 1: been a year, I've been like, we've got to get

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Speaker 1: I will not stop. And so I'm just thrilled that

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Speaker 1: you that you joined us today. Thank you. I just

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Speaker 1: want to end um by UM honoring all of the

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Speaker 1: ancestors that have gone before us, and UM, all of

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Speaker 1: the tenacious people that have managed to keep our cultures

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Speaker 1: and our languages in tact that are helping us get

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Speaker 1: through this, and all of the people on the ground

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Speaker 1: that are doing this work. UM first and foremost, UM,

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Speaker 1: I really want them. I really want to say thank

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Speaker 1: you to all of them because this is not easy work. Yeah. Absolutely, Um.

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Speaker 1: Is there are there places that the the listeners can

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Speaker 1: find you or work that they can check out online

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Speaker 1: that you'd like to share. Um. Yeah, well you can

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Speaker 1: go on UM seating sovereignty on our blog and I've

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Speaker 1: got some stuff there. I do have a couple of

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Speaker 1: One of them speak specifically about vow wa. Another one

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Speaker 1: I wrote steer about UM about this issue missing and

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Speaker 1: murdered Indigenous woman. So um, there's a couple of articles

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Speaker 1: I have up on Bustle for that. Yes, and your

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Speaker 1: listeners should check them out. They're they're wonderful. UM, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much again for joining us. Christine, thank you

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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it and I hope you have

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Speaker 1: a great day you too. Um, I appreciate it so much.

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Speaker 1: can Our email is mom Stuff at a stuff works

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can also find us on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast and on Instagram at stuff I've Never

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Speaker 1: told you. I think it's always her producer Andrew Howard,

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Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening,