Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave
Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals broadcaster. My guest this week is a fellow announcer,
Speaker 1: Kevin Harlan, who works for CBS Television, west Wood Win Radio,
Speaker 1: T and T TV doing NBA games and college basketball.
Speaker 1: Kevin is one of the most accomplished broadcasters in the business.
Speaker 1: He has been doing high level games on network television
Speaker 1: and radio for four decades. He's called so many memorable
Speaker 1: moments in sports history and in particular NFL history, including
Speaker 1: this past Monday night when he was on hand for
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers debut as the New York Jets quarterback, which,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Rogers and Jets fans, lasted only four plays.
Speaker 2: There was no visible sign of Aaron of oh my god,
Speaker 2: I know exactly what's happened, or oh my god, the
Speaker 2: pain is excruciating. I knew and he sat down. This
Speaker 2: was not good.
Speaker 1: Kevin also talks about what it's like working with former
Speaker 1: Cardinals quarterback and Hall of Famer Kurt Warner on the
Speaker 1: Westwood One Monday night football broadcast. We'll talk about a
Speaker 1: very important aspect to broadcasting. That's eating and what we
Speaker 1: do the night before games, as well as some of
Speaker 1: his favorite moments over the course of his long career
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Speaker 1: with one of the greats in broadcasting history, Kevin Harlan. Well, keV.
Speaker 1: The last time I saw you, I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of you doing Eastern Conference Finals for TNT. I was
Speaker 1: doing ESPN Radio. So we had a seven game series
Speaker 1: and I think we probably had at least ten to
Speaker 1: twelve meals together. And is that not one of the
Speaker 1: more underrated aspects of what we get to do is
Speaker 1: finding a good restaurant and getting a good meal.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it's more important. I think both
Speaker 2: of us would have tesked in finding a kind friend.
Speaker 2: And while you and I have crosspaths over the years
Speaker 2: in the bubble or wherever, we have had this nice friendship,
Speaker 2: but from afar and the best thing about those meals
Speaker 2: you're talking about having the great opportunity in this business
Speaker 2: to be on a series like that is to spend
Speaker 2: time together. I've told people for years that one of
Speaker 2: my favorite broadcasters is Dave Pash and so for a
Speaker 2: chance to have that kind of time, which you really haven't,
Speaker 2: but had that kind of time face to face and
Speaker 2: meal to meal, uh, and then joined with other people
Speaker 2: in our in our little sphere, covering that series was
Speaker 2: definitely the best part of it. It may have been a
Speaker 2: seven game series, but maybe for you and I enjoyed
Speaker 2: this stuff outside of it, and that was a part
Speaker 2: of the series outside of basketball.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I appreciate the kind words. The feeling
Speaker 1: is certainly mutual. I remember the one place it was you, me,
Speaker 1: Doris Burke, Ali LaForce. It was somewhere in Miami, some
Speaker 1: exclusive place that I don't know how we got into.
Speaker 1: And you and I, though, were a little concerned because
Speaker 1: after about an hour and a half in they just
Speaker 1: had appetizers, and you and I looked at each other like, okay,
Speaker 1: is this it? And then we were outside and I
Speaker 1: was outside and you came out and you said, hey,
Speaker 1: come here, and we go back, and now there's this
Speaker 1: huge spread. The problem is nobody told us that we
Speaker 1: were paying for all of it. And then we got
Speaker 1: the bill and yeah, there went pretty for the month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the food was good and the restaurant, don't
Speaker 2: you ad it was cool? Oh yeah, like one of
Speaker 2: those bucket list my daughters. My daughters saw that we
Speaker 2: had gone there, and they just went ballistic. Dad. You
Speaker 2: know how hard it is to get in there, Dad,
Speaker 2: That's one of the best restaurants in Miami. Like, everybody
Speaker 2: wants to go there. And you and I just thought
Speaker 2: we were just out for kind of another and yeah,
Speaker 2: and the bill was hefty, but it was nice and
Speaker 2: and yeah, you and I sat right next to each
Speaker 2: other and we looked at it and goes, I think
Speaker 2: you're the first keV. I don't think there's enough here
Speaker 2: to feed us. I say, you know what, there's got
Speaker 2: to be another all night place around here. We'll stop
Speaker 2: buying and go back to the hotel, we'll have to stuff,
Speaker 2: but we didn't have to, and it was a nice
Speaker 2: night and chance to be a Doris and Ali people
Speaker 2: that we just have so much respect for, and and
Speaker 2: some other people. I guess some of the people that
Speaker 2: were in that group, and I don't know if we should.
Speaker 2: We won't name names, but they were like big social
Speaker 2: media slash like known internet people that you and I
Speaker 2: had no idea who they were. They were there and
Speaker 2: they were eating with us, weren't they.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mind saying because I don't remember
Speaker 1: his name, but it was the creator of Cameo who
Speaker 1: was sitting with us. We had no idea. We're like,
Speaker 1: so what do you do? He's like, oh, you ever
Speaker 1: heard of Cameo. I'm like yeah, it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: invented it.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't Cameo the rock group that the group
Speaker 2: this is. This is Cameo the app. And yeah. No.
Speaker 2: My daughters went just nuts when they saw where we were,
Speaker 2: and uh, I actually told my wife when I got back,
Speaker 2: I said, I said, I've got a new place. I
Speaker 2: don't know if we can ever get in, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to try. If we ever get to Miami's South
Speaker 2: Florida again on a trip that will we'll make that
Speaker 2: a part. It was. It was a beautiful, beautiful place
Speaker 2: and but one of many, as you say, now, some
Speaker 2: of these meals and we ate well, and but our
Speaker 2: group encompassed a lot of really known and respected reporters.
Speaker 2: In addition to Ali who was not with us every night,
Speaker 2: or Doris who is not with us every night, we
Speaker 2: had some guys from your ESPN group that were there covering.
Speaker 2: We can see Brian Windhorse can't wait. But it was
Speaker 2: that it was that kind of guy that was in
Speaker 2: this group, and it was so much fun. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really the best part of that two week
Speaker 2: Miami Boston back and forth in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1: Well, you work with Kurt Warner every Monday night during
Speaker 1: football season, and obviously Kurt has strong ties here to
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, still lives in Arizona. How much time do
Speaker 1: you guys get to spend together off the air. I
Speaker 1: know you're always coming from a Sunday game and then
Speaker 1: you're always trying to get home to see your wife
Speaker 1: for a couple of days before you, you know, start
Speaker 1: all over again.
Speaker 2: Well, the same schedule that you have, you know, it's
Speaker 2: your weekend is ungodly, but I know that we both
Speaker 2: feel like, how lucky are we to be in this
Speaker 2: position to get to do you know, these kind of
Speaker 2: games and have that kind of life and and and
Speaker 2: live out our dreams right as little kids. Is what
Speaker 2: we dreamed about and here we are. Here we are
Speaker 2: doing it. But you know, one of the nice things
Speaker 2: aside from doing the game and being a part of
Speaker 2: it is who you work with. I know you enjoy
Speaker 2: all the people that you work with at ESPN with
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, and I feel the same about Trent Green
Speaker 2: with my CBS games on Sunday and my Monday night partner,
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner. I don't know that I've met a more humble, kinder,
Speaker 2: more generous person than Kurt. And he is the consummate professional. Dave,
Speaker 2: you and I have talked about. This is his study
Speaker 2: for each week of the NFL is off the charts.
Speaker 2: He will watch every snap of every game, usually does
Speaker 2: it the three hours where before Monday night broadcast. He'll
Speaker 2: then go back to his room because nobody can sleep
Speaker 2: after a game that we do, and he'll stay at
Speaker 2: maybe to two three in the morning. As I'm sure
Speaker 2: he did a couple of nights ago and in the
Speaker 2: Meadowlands and at our hotel in Newark that he would
Speaker 2: pour over more games and get ready. And so by
Speaker 2: Wednesday night, I think he has told me that not
Speaker 2: only has he taken copious notes of the games he
Speaker 2: has watched, but he's watched every snap of every game
Speaker 2: from the previous weekend. So is his preparation is just
Speaker 2: off the He's incredible that way. And as you know,
Speaker 2: the confidence we have and how you and I prepare
Speaker 2: another play by play guys prepare, you know, puts us
Speaker 2: in a comfort zone. But when you know that your
Speaker 2: analyst has maybe gone above and beyond that and done
Speaker 2: a completely different set of preparation things, it just makes
Speaker 2: you feel so confident when you put on that headset
Speaker 2: and go into the game. And that's what Kurt adds
Speaker 2: to our Monday night broadcast. He is prepared, he knows.
Speaker 2: He goes on the field and does a hit with
Speaker 2: the NFL Network every pregame of these Monday night games,
Speaker 2: and they get the chance to talk with a couple
Speaker 2: of coaches, a couple of players, so he gets more
Speaker 2: of a pulse just before kickoff of what each team
Speaker 2: is feeling and brings that to our broadcast. But then
Speaker 2: just as the person, I love him. I love him
Speaker 2: as a friend. He's been so wonderful to me. We've
Speaker 2: grown close over the years. We've done ten years of
Speaker 2: Monday night football together. And before that, I was lucky
Speaker 2: enough to work with Boomerasia and had the same exact
Speaker 2: relationship with Boomers. So I've been blessed in so many ways,
Speaker 2: and but one of the ways of having great partners
Speaker 2: on these Monday night broadcasts, and just I'm so thankful
Speaker 2: I have the chance. And he's so respected, he's in
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame clearly and has all that. But
Speaker 2: as a person, Kurt, there's none better, none better.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I told you this story when
Speaker 1: I saw you but two thousand and nine, which hard
Speaker 1: to believe that it's been fourteen years since Kurt retired.
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and nine he started kind of
Speaker 1: giving me a heads up that hey, this might be it.
Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, I was sworn to secrecy and
Speaker 1: didn't say anything, but he said, I want to, you know,
Speaker 1: look into broadcasting. Can he come up to the house
Speaker 1: and show me how to do a board and maybe
Speaker 1: just sit there and kind of do a mock game.
Speaker 1: So I did that with him. But part of the
Speaker 1: quote unquote like initiation was I had to go play
Speaker 1: basketball with him at the YMCA. And I'm telling you, now,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that just went to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and we are playing basketball at the YMCA. He's
Speaker 1: got a mouth guard in. I mean, he is like
Speaker 1: setting hard screens. Have you have you I mean he's
Speaker 1: so competitive, which I love. Have you not? Have you know?
Speaker 1: Have you seen that side of him? That competitive side
Speaker 1: come out?
Speaker 2: Well? You know, I do know that he is competitive
Speaker 2: about the business. I have not seen that side, but
Speaker 2: clearly know for stories like yours are just what he
Speaker 2: did as an athlete and how to begin his NFL
Speaker 2: career with such a struggle, and how he just would
Speaker 2: never take no and never not given up to where
Speaker 2: whatever his goal was and clearly the goals were within
Speaker 2: reach and beginning in ninety nine and on to the
Speaker 2: you know, Hall of Fame induction in Kenton, he has
Speaker 2: he has met those challenges and is is fueled by
Speaker 2: those challenges. And but I love your story. It does
Speaker 2: shed another kind of you know, mark on him and
Speaker 2: just the kind of person he is and how he
Speaker 2: feels about life. I think he just feels that everything
Speaker 2: about life has a challenge, and he wants to whether
Speaker 2: he's the most prepared analyst, or whether he's the best
Speaker 2: dad or the best husband. I just think he takes
Speaker 2: all these things in life very seriously, knows how blessed
Speaker 2: he is and how he has been able to live
Speaker 2: a life that he dreamt about in his living. So
Speaker 2: he's he's a he's a he's a world class eater.
Speaker 2: By the way, there are not many analysts, especially Hall
Speaker 2: of Famers, that leaving a press box with food laid
Speaker 2: out that may have been out for a couple hours
Speaker 2: is the kind of guy that will go get a
Speaker 2: plate full of what a couple of nights ago. We're
Speaker 2: in the Middlelands, so we've got a hamburger or hotdog.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long they had been out their day,
Speaker 2: but clearly hour upon hour had been exposed. He grabbed
Speaker 2: it and took it back to his room so he
Speaker 2: could con fuel more energy, so he could watch watch tape.
Speaker 2: The guy is The guy is a machine and and
Speaker 2: thrives on He's taken late night flights after doing his stuff.
Speaker 2: Sunday in the NFL Network studio. Then he flies home
Speaker 2: to spend the afternoon with kids and grandkids and his
Speaker 2: wife Brenda in Phoenix. Then goes back out to the
Speaker 2: Phoenix airport after arriving there from la where he's done
Speaker 2: his show earlier that day, goes back after about ten
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock at night something you have done, and takes
Speaker 2: a red eye to our Monday night game and then
Speaker 2: arrives at you know, five six in the morning. And
Speaker 2: there he is when we get in the car at
Speaker 2: about three three thirty, and he's ready to go. He's
Speaker 2: and I always admire his stamina, it's incredible, but he's
Speaker 2: fueled by all these things. And so the why basketball
Speaker 2: pickup story with you probably probably doesn't surprise me as
Speaker 2: much as it might surprise others.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the game that you did keV on Monday,
Speaker 1: and you and I were texting about it a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious, what was that like, What was the
Speaker 1: moment like for you? Calling the play that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: tears his achilles's It may end up being the most
Speaker 1: important moment in the NFL in twenty twenty three, and
Speaker 1: it happened very early in week one. What was that like,
Speaker 1: what was your reaction? What were you guys talking about
Speaker 1: during the break? Did you both feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you had a chance to kind of take a breath,
Speaker 1: that hey, that's an Achilles and he's done well.
Speaker 2: We were the First thing that kind of came out
Speaker 2: in the cars we're driving back to the hotel after
Speaker 2: the game was think about our last two Monday night
Speaker 2: broadcasts that we've done, going back to last year. It
Speaker 2: was DeMar Hamlin, we did that game in Cincinnati, and
Speaker 2: now the very next Monday night game we do is
Speaker 2: the opener in New York with Rogers and the Jets
Speaker 2: against the Bills, And this happens four plays in and
Speaker 2: we're thinking, holy smokes, like we have seen two of
Speaker 2: the definitive moments over the last couple of years in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and moments that will resonate for years to come.
Speaker 2: And in those moments, you just clearly just try to
Speaker 2: report what you're seeing because we're doing we're doing radio
Speaker 2: as you would do, and you just kind of go
Speaker 2: with what your eyes are telling you. But the game
Speaker 2: then resumed, by the way, unlike the Hamlin game, which
Speaker 2: was in limbo for quite some time. Would it restart
Speaker 2: or would they call it? And eventually, you know, called
Speaker 2: the game this. You know, they took him off. We're
Speaker 2: trying to follow the story of his examination in the
Speaker 2: blue tent and then his emergence and then getting on
Speaker 2: the cart and take into the locker room wearing a boot.
Speaker 2: And the only thing that was perplexing about it was
Speaker 2: that there was no visible sign outwardly of Aaron of
Speaker 2: oh my god, I know exactly what's happened, or oh
Speaker 2: my god, the pain is excruciating. He just he was stonefaced.
Speaker 2: He didn't He got up to his feet, he put
Speaker 2: a little weight on that leg. He knew immediately. He
Speaker 2: knows his body very well. At this age. You've got
Speaker 2: to because you're trying to survive all the hits, so
Speaker 2: you know every inch of every part of your body
Speaker 2: and what it can sustain and when it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: And he knew, and he sat back down again and
Speaker 2: again did not make an expression. I knew when he
Speaker 2: sat down this was not good now. And I didn't
Speaker 2: know it was an achilles. I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even sure it was a leg or a knee.
Speaker 2: You just don't know, and you don't guess, but you
Speaker 2: can say, well, they've looked, they're looking at the ankle,
Speaker 2: and that's what they we could see and you say
Speaker 2: what you see, as they say, when you see something,
Speaker 2: say something. And that's exactly what we did, kind of
Speaker 2: like with the Hamlin thing here before in Cincinnati with
Speaker 2: the Bills again and the Bengals. So but the emotion
Speaker 2: in that building and you've been you've done many games
Speaker 2: at Metlaine Stadium in the Meadowlands. The the emotion in
Speaker 2: that building, Dave was as he was carried as he
Speaker 2: ran out with the American flag in a city that
Speaker 2: he clearly an area, tri state area that he is.
Speaker 2: He is clearly embraced and they have embraced him back
Speaker 2: and represented everything that was a part of their season. Uh.
Speaker 2: And we know experts had picked them to go deep
Speaker 2: into the year, you know, the playoffs with Rogers if
Speaker 2: you were healthy. So for that to happen, after the
Speaker 2: elation before the game and seeing now this quarterback, you know,
Speaker 2: wearing that number in their colors on the field ten
Speaker 2: then take the field for those fans was the kind
Speaker 2: of exuberance they haven't really had a chance to express
Speaker 2: an emotion they haven't had a chance to experience in
Speaker 2: such a long time, and then for it to end
Speaker 2: and stop, and it's tracked so early in the game
Speaker 2: and not even really get a chance to feel what
Speaker 2: it was like to celebrate a guy like that was
Speaker 2: the range of emotions from that, and then you know,
Speaker 2: then some life shown by the Jets, and then eventually
Speaker 2: win it on the dramatic historical return for a punt
Speaker 2: by a rookie free agent in overtime. It made for
Speaker 2: a myriad of emotions by broadcasters and certainly by Jet fans.
Speaker 2: There it was an incredible and incomparable Monday Night something
Speaker 2: that I can't recall except the Hamling thing that had
Speaker 2: preceded it in the final Monday Night last year.
Speaker 1: keV, You've done so many big games and called so
Speaker 1: many big moments over the years, whether it's NFL or
Speaker 1: college basketball or NBA, and obviously I'm sure you'll never
Speaker 1: forget the tomor Hamlin moments. You're probably not going to
Speaker 1: forget this game with Aaron Rodgers. Do you have a
Speaker 1: handful of games. I'm sure you get asked this a
Speaker 1: lot that you'll that you recall vividly important moments or
Speaker 1: that you'll look back on and say, man, I can't
Speaker 1: believe I was there for that.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's just the stage of
Speaker 2: my career, Dave, and probably, like you, the things that
Speaker 2: really stand out of the things that have happened in
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. If you go back for
Speaker 2: you and I ten, fifteen, twenty five years, some of
Speaker 2: that stuff kind of blends together, right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: but some have been In the nca Tournament, there was
Speaker 2: this kid for Weber State against North Carolina back in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, and I stretch and back here by
Speaker 2: a kid named Harold Arsenal who grew up under a
Speaker 2: vidoc in New Orleans, who was homeless, and for one
Speaker 2: shining moment for weaver State they eventually knocked off North Carolina.
Speaker 2: He had put like thirty seven points in. Then there
Speaker 2: was Ari Farrukbanash of Northern Iowa who beat number one
Speaker 2: overall seed Kansas as an eight or nine seed for
Speaker 2: Northern Iowa. He's now an assistant basketball coach. I think
Speaker 2: at Nebraska, if I'm not mistaken, maybe Colorado. He's bounced
Speaker 2: around a little bit, but he's coaching now, but he
Speaker 2: was like five to nine and like seven threes. This
Speaker 2: past year we had Furman upsetting Virginia, and there were
Speaker 2: it was a thirteen over a four and a Final
Speaker 2: four Virginia team with their starting guard from that Final
Speaker 2: four championship team a couple of years ago. Inexplicably throws
Speaker 2: the ball in the air with time running out. Made
Speaker 2: no sense, like a kind of play that that I
Speaker 2: might make. You know, I'm at a ye game that's
Speaker 2: thrown it away just because I've too much pressure on me.
Speaker 2: He throws it right to the opposing Furman guy, who
Speaker 2: feeds to a sharpshooter who hits a three that wins
Speaker 2: the game. The the interception by Malcolm Butler at the
Speaker 2: goal line in the Super Bowl against Russell Wilson in Seattle,
Speaker 2: that was a big play. The twenty eight to three
Speaker 2: comeback by Brady in the Super Bowl to win it
Speaker 2: in overtime, that was I remember those plays. We had
Speaker 2: a Jared Goff Mahomes high scoring Monday Night game a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago in the Historic Coliseum in La
Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember Tooa tongue of Iloa. A
Speaker 2: couple last year early against Baltimore was six second half
Speaker 2: touchdown passes, four hundred and sixty plus yards and come
Speaker 2: from behind win against Baltimore. This past weekend we did
Speaker 2: the Chargers and Dolphins, you know, so you remember some
Speaker 2: of it, and that was a big four hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty yard plus performance by tongue of Iolo again two
Speaker 2: hundred plus yards receiving by Tyreek Hill. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: kind of remember things like that. Now they'll stay eventually
Speaker 2: and it'll take someone to bring Hey, do you remember
Speaker 2: that gaming off to think? Oh yeah, yeah, No, I
Speaker 2: do remember that now and what happened. But you know,
Speaker 2: so I remember my first NFL game ever back in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five when I was twenty four, Remember that
Speaker 2: game with Len Dawson for the Chiefs radio network. I
Speaker 2: remember my first NBA broadcast when I was twenty two
Speaker 2: doing that. I got that job out of colle So
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember like things like that, and it
Speaker 2: takes a while, but you know, once a game ends, man,
Speaker 2: you pack it. You're onto the next game. We're on
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati, right, You're onto the We're on to the
Speaker 2: next game. And so I guess I kind of I
Speaker 2: don't erase it and know it was special. But if
Speaker 2: I'm not getting ready for the next game, then I'm
Speaker 2: going backwards. And I can't. We none of us can
Speaker 2: afford to go backwards in this business. So I guess
Speaker 2: I kind of look at it like that. But yeah, lucky,
Speaker 2: with a lot of moments and individual performances. You and
Speaker 2: I have called Kobe, You and I have called Lebron
Speaker 2: You and I, you know, are are going to call
Speaker 2: wembn Yama. We've called Kevin Durant. You know, we've called Curry.
Speaker 2: Like how lucky have we been to call these NBA
Speaker 2: guys over the years, And now we're calling these NFL
Speaker 2: players Rogers and Brady and everybody else. And so we've
Speaker 2: all got memories, and I guess it just takes a
Speaker 2: name to kind of spark something. But off the top
Speaker 2: of my head, aside from the ones I just mentioned,
Speaker 2: because they happened in the last couple of years, i'd
Speaker 2: have to go back and have to be kind of
Speaker 2: jolted a little bit with my memory to think about, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right, that's what happened. Here's here's my recollection of it.
Speaker 2: And I'd have to go back like that in the
Speaker 2: files to think about what happened.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you've, like you said, you've you've been
Speaker 1: doing this for so long, I mean starting when you
Speaker 1: did getting and it was the Kansas City Kings, right,
Speaker 1: it was your first Yeah, yeah, And you grew up
Speaker 1: in the NFL with you know, your dad longtime executive
Speaker 1: with the Packers, and then you know your brother was
Speaker 1: a longtime public relations chief for the Bears. Did you
Speaker 1: and I don't think I've asked you this, did you
Speaker 1: always know you wanted to get into broadcasting.
Speaker 2: Well, not until my dad wanted to be a commercial
Speaker 2: airline pilot. My dad took a look at my math
Speaker 2: grades when I brought him home one time when I
Speaker 2: was in grade school, and he looked at the grade
Speaker 2: and he looked at me, and he looked at my
Speaker 2: math grade is like a seventh or eighth grader, and
Speaker 2: looked at me and say, you know, I think I'd
Speaker 2: stick with journalism. I think I'd stick with being you know,
Speaker 2: in the business. But at an early age, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: first voice I really ever remember taking note of that
Speaker 2: may have sparked that interest was John Facinda narrating highlights
Speaker 2: from Super Bowl one. So I was about eight or
Speaker 2: nine years old, and remember that and then being around.
Speaker 2: My dad was at the Baseball Cardinals too, as the
Speaker 2: media relations director during the Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Tim McCarver,
Speaker 2: Orlando cepaida Roger Merris years and two World Series appearances
Speaker 2: in sixty seven and sixty eight, and he used to
Speaker 2: bring me down there. So I'd be in the press
Speaker 2: box when I was like seven or eight years old,
Speaker 2: and I remember distinctly sitting in the back of the box.
Speaker 2: On my day was Sunday, we'd go to church, would
Speaker 2: go down to Bush Stadium. We'd have breakfast in the
Speaker 2: press box, and we'd see the Ben Scullies and the
Speaker 2: Bob Princes and the Jack Bucks and the Harry Careys
Speaker 2: come in. You know, had a bite deep before the game.
Speaker 2: So I saw these guys, but you know, at eight seven,
Speaker 2: eight years old, it really didn't resonate with me. But
Speaker 2: I'd go sit in their booths and listen to them.
Speaker 2: In the back of the booth. At that time, there
Speaker 2: was not a lot of security, and because I had
Speaker 2: a press pass, I could kind of roam around and
Speaker 2: I'd go sit in the back of these booths, and
Speaker 2: I remember Buck specifically, and then you know, followed him
Speaker 2: clearly once I got to know the voice and the
Speaker 2: man who was always incredibly kind worked with Joe at Fox,
Speaker 2: So you know, that was another blessing, another wonderful moment
Speaker 2: to be with Joe in that first group at Fox
Speaker 2: when they began the NFL in ninety four, So you know,
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, from a pretty early age, I kind
Speaker 2: of know. I used to do games in my room
Speaker 2: with the doors shut off of a TV, used to
Speaker 2: practice all the time. Went to a high school with
Speaker 2: the radio station, which was why would a high school
Speaker 2: and it was an all boys Catholic school in Green Bay,
Speaker 2: why would they have a ten watt radio station. But
Speaker 2: they did, and it broadcasts and I got to start
Speaker 2: broadcasting there when I was fourteen years old. And but
Speaker 2: but I'd done all these games in my room, you know,
Speaker 2: from the time I was about ten or eleven, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and then and then when the Packer home games,
Speaker 2: had work in the press box and used to be
Speaker 2: a spotter. I was a spotterer for Lindsay Nelson when
Speaker 2: I was like twelve years old, when he'd come in
Speaker 2: with CBS and Tim Ryan and Jim Simpson, I remember
Speaker 2: doing stuff. So anyway, I'm going on and on, but
Speaker 2: those are that that's what really fueled it. Looking behind
Speaker 2: the curtain, so to speak, what it was like to
Speaker 2: be in a major league press box, National Football League
Speaker 2: press box and watch these guys and know their lifestyle
Speaker 2: and the games they were covering. And and then I
Speaker 2: kind of thought, well, if I can't be an airline
Speaker 2: by at least I can travel and and and then
Speaker 2: I love sports and could do this thing, this this
Speaker 2: broadcasting if everything worked out, and I loved the business
Speaker 2: and the challenge of being in the business. But obviously,
Speaker 2: this career that I've had, this life that I've had,
Speaker 2: has exceeded anything that I possibly could have dreamt. I mean,
Speaker 2: we all dream of something, but to be in this position,
Speaker 2: I'm sure like you, you just think, my goodness, how
Speaker 2: how fortunate have I been to be able to do
Speaker 2: the things I dreamt of as a kid.
Speaker 1: Well, no one will disagree that you're. Among your amazing
Speaker 1: qualities as announcer is your energy and how you always
Speaker 1: meet the big moments. One of the other things that
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you get asked about this maybe more
Speaker 1: than anything else, probably similar to you know, when I
Speaker 1: talk to people or people ask me about broadcasting, it's
Speaker 1: usually a question about Bill Walton. Like Chris Finch, the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Timberwolves head coach last year, after we did our
Speaker 1: production meeting with him, he goes, hey, can I talk
Speaker 1: to you for a second. I'm like, uh, oh, I
Speaker 1: must have said something, you know, like he and he goes,
Speaker 1: what's it like to work with Bill Walton? I just
Speaker 1: didn't expect what. I'm sure people ask you a lot
Speaker 1: about you calling when someone a streaker or whomever runs
Speaker 1: out of the field and you have fun with it
Speaker 1: and you call it like you know, it's a game
Speaker 1: winning play in the Super Bowl, Like did that just
Speaker 1: come naturally? We like, just I'm gonna have fun with this.
Speaker 1: I don't if you even remember how it started, but
Speaker 1: I mean some of those are obviously legendary and you've
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of notoriety for it.
Speaker 2: Well, I had. I had Dave a time with the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2: That was their original voice. I was still doing the
Speaker 2: cheaps on radio, and this was before I went to
Speaker 2: ESPN nineteen ninety one to do Big Ten for a
Speaker 2: couple of years before then went to Fox. So I
Speaker 2: worked with Kevin McHale, the great Celtic who is from Minnesota,
Speaker 2: and that's where he settled after he retired, and the
Speaker 2: Timberwolves brought him on to be a color analyst on
Speaker 2: TV games for the Timberwolves. And the Timberwolves, as you
Speaker 2: recall back then, were god awful. I mean you could
Speaker 2: not watch them. They lost, you know, fifty sixty games
Speaker 2: every year. They always they just as all expansion teams do.
Speaker 2: They struggled early. But Kevin McHale was my partner, and
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a sense of humor that is
Speaker 2: probably quite a bit like his former teammate with the Celtics,
Speaker 2: Bill Walton. And by the way, you handle Walton like
Speaker 2: only you can and beautifully. And it is one of
Speaker 2: the great things in our business to have some kind
Speaker 2: of a combination that really stands out, and that one
Speaker 2: does and people think it's Walton, but I know it's
Speaker 2: because of you be setting them up and playing the
Speaker 2: way you do during it, and you're a master at that,
Speaker 2: and that's just the one of many great traits you
Speaker 2: have as a broadcaster. But with Michale, kind of the same,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of let him go and you start laughing,
Speaker 2: You'll say stuff, it's just like so off the wall,
Speaker 2: and then we would begin to you know, but like
Speaker 2: thirty points in Philadelphia, and we'd start laughing, you know,
Speaker 2: and we'd have to hit the mute button because you laughs,
Speaker 2: and we'd miss like a basket on both ends because
Speaker 2: you're laughing so hard and we couldn't talk. So we
Speaker 2: kind of got I kind of got a little bit
Speaker 2: of that then, But when I went to the network
Speaker 2: in ninety well ninety one with ESPN, but then really
Speaker 2: with with the Fox in ninety four when they got
Speaker 2: the NFL, I kind of shelved that side of meat
Speaker 2: quite frankly, and was more straight down the middle. And
Speaker 2: so it's not until like the last handful of years
Speaker 2: that I felt comfortable enough to you know, kind of
Speaker 2: be more relaxed and have more fun. I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: you never planned for those kinds of things because you
Speaker 2: don't know when ever going to happen, and rarely do
Speaker 2: they happen. But again, it was a bad game, and
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner and I were doing it on radio, and
Speaker 2: sure enough, somebody ran on the field in a boring
Speaker 2: early season Monday night game, and we just kind of
Speaker 2: ran with it, and a lot of it was fueled
Speaker 2: because Kurt was the whole time that we talked about
Speaker 2: the guy and what he was doing on the field.
Speaker 2: So that has kind of extended a little bit to
Speaker 2: a couple of calls like that. It's you know, I
Speaker 2: never want to get pegged as a guy that only
Speaker 2: can do drunks and wild animals enter the playing field.
Speaker 2: But but that hopefully just be kind of a part
Speaker 2: of what I've done. And if people take it, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to offend anybody to show disrespect to
Speaker 2: the game or the broadcast or my employers or anything
Speaker 2: like that, I would doubt it's not my intent. But
Speaker 2: some of these people, as you would attest, you know,
Speaker 2: there's some goofy stuff you see happen during games. Most
Speaker 2: of it happens in the stands, and sometimes it'll spill
Speaker 2: out into the field. You see stuff that just like like, like,
Speaker 2: what is this guy doing? Uh So anyway, but I
Speaker 2: hope people do take it the right way and I
Speaker 2: have that fun with it. But you know, sometimes you
Speaker 2: can go a little too far too and I've since
Speaker 2: the last time that's ever happened, which I think was
Speaker 2: a super Bowl a couple of years ago. I've tried
Speaker 2: to stay away from it and just and kind of
Speaker 2: stick with the game.
Speaker 1: Producer Jim O. Mahundro before you got on, was just
Speaker 1: playing me the call from the Super Bowl and I
Speaker 1: was dying laughing. I mean, it's so good. And then
Speaker 1: also how you work the sponsors sometimes into it. And
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the other night, but I guess it's
Speaker 1: a new Westwood sponsor, Honeylicious, and somehow you worked Honeylicious.
Speaker 2: And do it call it's vix. It's like vix vapor
Speaker 2: rub and they're trying to describe it, and they and
Speaker 2: the copy. You know, I look at the copy before,
Speaker 2: like you do before games. Things you got to read
Speaker 2: and in game promos is what they're and you're promoting
Speaker 2: a game or out show or whatever, and we were promoting.
Speaker 2: I was reading this is actually a commercial, but I
Speaker 2: perhaps not you know, looked at the words closely enough.
Speaker 2: So when I read it live on the air, I go, Honey,
Speaker 2: I said, I hope. I first of all, hope I'm
Speaker 2: saying it the right way. I should have. I should
Speaker 2: have looked closer at the copy. And then it came
Speaker 2: out and it just sounded weird and funny, and Kurt
Speaker 2: again giggled when I said it, and so then we
Speaker 2: kind of got into a thing about that. I guess
Speaker 2: we kind of look at it like like people are
Speaker 2: eavesdropping on a conversation that Kurt and I might be
Speaker 2: having on Monday night. And he's got a great sense
Speaker 2: of humor and is really fun loving, And again, we
Speaker 2: don't want to disrespect the game, but there are moments
Speaker 2: of levity and sometimes it comes out of the commercial
Speaker 2: copy that you've got to read on the broadcast, and
Speaker 2: that was one of those one of those instances that
Speaker 2: happened on Thursday night from the season opener.
Speaker 1: All right, a couple more cavib'll get you out here,
Speaker 1: because I think I've kept you longer than I told
Speaker 1: you I would, but a lot to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you because now CBS their CBS
Speaker 1: has more NFC games and Fox has more AFC games.
Speaker 1: Do you know yet if you'll have any cardinal games?
Speaker 1: How far out you know your schedule right now?
Speaker 2: No, we don't have any cardinal games, not Monday, nor
Speaker 2: and we only find out kind of like you with ESPN,
Speaker 2: you know, your cardinal schedule, clearly, but we're in a
Speaker 2: world that we we don't really know our games nationally,
Speaker 2: and like sometimes a week out, sometimes thirteen days out,
Speaker 2: and we don't know yet when our next Cardinal game
Speaker 2: will be. Listen, we've done Super Bowls in that beautiful building.
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, to me, was one of the more fascinating
Speaker 2: players to come into the NFL. I'm sorry he got injured,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry he's still shelved, but I'd like to
Speaker 2: think that they've got a plan for that team. I
Speaker 2: know they had a tough one against the Commanders this
Speaker 2: past weekend. I always love going down. I know we
Speaker 2: got a lot of Suns games. I'm hopefully get a
Speaker 2: lot of Cardinal games as well down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Last one and this is you know, I'm purposely bringing
Speaker 1: this up because I think a lot of people maybe
Speaker 1: don't understand that when you go and call a game,
Speaker 1: that it's not just you know, you and Kurt or
Speaker 1: you and Trent Green. There's a truck, there is a producer,
Speaker 1: there's a director, there's a statistician, a spot are. There's
Speaker 1: so many people, whether it's radio or television that go
Speaker 1: into making a broadcast successful, and these people that are
Speaker 1: behind the scenes often don't get mentioned. But I was
Speaker 1: so touched last year watching the NCAA tournament by how
Speaker 1: you and Jim Nantz and others talked glowingly about the
Speaker 1: late Pat McGrath, who was your statistician for a long
Speaker 1: time and was my statistician on NBA for you know,
Speaker 1: almost two decades. And unfortunately, actually the day that we
Speaker 1: were supposed to do a game together in San Francisco
Speaker 1: passed away, and you know it was really I remember
Speaker 1: calling you and sharing the information because I just I
Speaker 1: didn't want because he was supposed to work the nca
Speaker 1: tournament that week. This was a Monday. He passes away,
Speaker 1: and and we're trying to figure out, well, how do
Speaker 1: we let see you know, we want a CBS to
Speaker 1: know about it, but we want to be respectful so
Speaker 1: that it doesn't get out publicly yet. But CBS has
Speaker 1: to know so they're not wondering where's Pat when he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be there to to do the NCAA tournament
Speaker 1: with With Jim anything, you can share any fond memory
Speaker 1: that you have of working with Pat, and you know
Speaker 1: how much he and others behind the scenes have meant
Speaker 1: to you and helped you.
Speaker 2: Well, we have those kind of people. You and I
Speaker 2: work with those people all the time. They're people that
Speaker 2: are watching or listening. They don't know them, but for
Speaker 2: you and I, these are indispensable coworkers who are right there.
Speaker 2: And we always say before every broadcast, we're all only
Speaker 2: as strong as our weakest link. You know, you want
Speaker 2: to make everybody in the truck, everybody upstairs, your engineers,
Speaker 2: all these people radio or TV feel like you know,
Speaker 2: their fingerprints are on the broadcast and as you know it.
Speaker 2: Pat who had been in this business, you know, since
Speaker 2: the seventies keeping statistics. I mean he was a legend
Speaker 2: in the business as a statistician and his whole life
Speaker 2: was based on statistics and numbers and traveling and working.
Speaker 2: You work with Jack Buckenhanks Straham on Monday night back
Speaker 2: in the day. He worked with you and I to
Speaker 2: the time that he worked his final games. So he
Speaker 2: was into this, into this business like nobody's business. And
Speaker 2: he was a character as most of these people are.
Speaker 2: It's a very nomadic lifestyle like Pat would do. At
Speaker 2: the height of his career, he was doing a Saturday
Speaker 2: game I think for brad Nessler on CBS. Then he
Speaker 2: would drive all night to make a flight to join
Speaker 2: us on Sunday at CBS. Then he would travel with me,
Speaker 2: probably on his beloved American airlines. That's what he loved
Speaker 2: to play to the Monday night game. And then he
Speaker 2: would have like a Tuesday NBA with me, and then
Speaker 2: a Wednesday or Friday with you, and then he'd start
Speaker 2: all over again. Like the guy was a maniac. He
Speaker 2: was doing like five or six games, you know, a week,
Speaker 2: and he did countless Super Bowls, countless Final fours, worked
Speaker 2: every one of them with Jim Nantz, worked with with
Speaker 2: about every broadcaster you can think of. He somehow Someway
Speaker 2: had worked with them and had devised his own format
Speaker 2: of keeping statistics and whenevery once in a while, and
Speaker 2: you know this better than anybody, he'd hand you a
Speaker 2: note about some you know something, Oh, how do you
Speaker 2: even think about this? But he spends his summers doing
Speaker 2: all this work about you know, the teams knows all
Speaker 2: these things. He called it sweat equity when there's no
Speaker 2: season going on, and that's where he would kind of
Speaker 2: delve into the numbers and make him mean something. And
Speaker 2: he was great. His mom was a Pan American reservationist,
Speaker 2: so as a young kid, Pad had a lifetime pass
Speaker 2: on pan AM, which then evolved into both Delda and
Speaker 2: United as they broke up that that airline. But he
Speaker 2: had a love of flying from and he took advantage
Speaker 2: of it and flew all over the place. And I
Speaker 2: think he ended with American airlines like over ten million miles.
Speaker 2: So sometimes he would help us with with flights, as
Speaker 2: I'm sure he did with you. But you knew that.
Speaker 2: So like we would have fun with the audistillas one
Speaker 2: short story, have fun with them in the booth. And
Speaker 2: I was working with Richd Cannon because rich was at
Speaker 2: a kind of a devilish side to him too, And
Speaker 2: I'd say, rich let's pretend like you can't get a
Speaker 2: flight home tonight. Don't see what Pat does. So and
Speaker 2: he always carried the OAG, which was a thick book
Speaker 2: that they published once a month with every flight of
Speaker 2: every airline in all you know, four corners of the world,
Speaker 2: and and you know, to be a quiet moment before
Speaker 2: the game, and I'd slammed my fist on the desk,
Speaker 2: a dog on it. I cannot believe you can't fly
Speaker 2: home tonight on uh to Minneapolis to get home. I
Speaker 2: can't believe you can't find a flight. And then out
Speaker 2: of the corner of my eye'd look over at Pat
Speaker 2: and he'd quickly fling open his briefcase and started summoning
Speaker 2: through that oag goes when it was you can there's
Speaker 2: a flight on Delta, there's a flight on Northwest, there's
Speaker 2: a flight on DETA. You know, we just we'd laugh
Speaker 2: and laugh and laugh. And McGrath knew he'd been caught again. Uh,
Speaker 2: but he knew it. He was like a walking oag.
Speaker 2: They say that, but he was and uh. And he
Speaker 2: was a unique guy and always uh you know, he
Speaker 2: never married. He loved his family, his brother had kids
Speaker 2: and and he really became kind of a father to
Speaker 2: his nieces young kids. He kind of served as as
Speaker 2: the grandfatherly type for them. Loved his mom, who passed
Speaker 2: away unfortunately a couple of years ago in her nineties.
Speaker 2: But his mom was his whole life, and he was
Speaker 2: he was a special guy. You and I will never
Speaker 2: work with anyone like him again. And thank goodness because
Speaker 2: the Good Lord made only one Pat McGraths and and
Speaker 2: from Jim nance to you and Luckily to me and
Speaker 2: and countless others in this business, they've had a chance
Speaker 2: to work with him, and I know we all feel
Speaker 2: better for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. Before Apps, before all the airline apps,
Speaker 1: there was Pat. He knew, he knew everything. Speaking of airlines,
Speaker 1: I know you got a few days at home before
Speaker 1: you're heading out. You got Buffalo Sunday, and then which
Speaker 1: Monday I gave you doing because I know there's two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just going to broadcast one on Westwood One.
Speaker 2: So they picked I think we're doing the Cleveland. I
Speaker 2: know we're doing Cleveland Pittsburgh. They they've got the choice.
Speaker 2: I think there's another week coming up where they have
Speaker 2: a choice of games, and so they put us on
Speaker 2: the game that they feel as the most national because
Speaker 2: it's a national broadcast, national appeal. And so the Steelers
Speaker 2: and Browns will be this Monday, and we'll work our
Speaker 2: way through. I know you and I have got some
Speaker 2: preseason games and mid October we're going to do and
Speaker 2: then the season opens up. That that October twenty fourth
Speaker 2: for us, and I think the twenty sixth for you guys,
Speaker 2: or twenty fifth and maybe twenty ninth for you guys.
Speaker 2: So we we've got NBA coupled with with everything else.
Speaker 2: I admire you from AFAR because it's these are schedules
Speaker 2: that are not easy, and you're thinking a lot, and
Speaker 2: people don't know what you did this past weekend to
Speaker 2: go from New Orleans through Newark to get to Washington
Speaker 2: on a car in a late flight, and so I
Speaker 2: admire everything. I keep tracking you every week, by the way,
Speaker 2: I always I always look where are you on Saturday?
Speaker 2: And then where the Cardinals are on Sunday and think,
Speaker 2: how in the world is you know? They're only a
Speaker 2: couple of guys that do it. Jean Deckerhoff did it
Speaker 2: with Tampa Bay. He no longer does Florida State. He
Speaker 2: just does the Buccaneers, the cup. Bill Hillgrove did the
Speaker 2: pitt Panthers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Not many people combine
Speaker 2: the college with the pro but you're one of the
Speaker 2: last ones that do it. And I'm just amazed every
Speaker 2: time Bob was Shoes and I know does it with
Speaker 2: the Jets. You guys are a special breed man that's tough,
Speaker 2: and they put you in some far flung areas and
Speaker 2: their travel is not easy. So I but I'm always
Speaker 2: curious to where you are and follow you every weekend,
Speaker 2: and love your work is always I always sit in
Speaker 2: my hotel room on Saturday afternoon and watch your college games.
Speaker 2: I you know, I think people can tell by our conversation.
Speaker 2: I have as much respect for you as anybody in
Speaker 2: the business, and love your call, and and it amazes
Speaker 2: me how you can get so many college kids in
Speaker 2: and they all play right, invariably, they all play, and
Speaker 2: then you go back and then you do the Cardinal
Speaker 2: game flawlessly on Sunday afternoons. It is a gift and
Speaker 2: I am always in awe of how you pull that off.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: Likewise, again, you doing three football games in five days
Speaker 1: and doing the Sunday Monday every week and continuing to
Speaker 1: do it with the energy you do. And then like
Speaker 1: you mentioned basketball starting soon. That's you know, your passion
Speaker 1: and energy to me is among other things, I mean,
Speaker 1: the way you describe it, your radio calls are so descriptive,
Speaker 1: your storytelling, how you have fun. I mean, it's all
Speaker 1: just You're a great mentor to meet. keV. I appreciate
Speaker 1: our friendship and I do appreciate you spending forty minutes
Speaker 1: with us on the pod, my honor.
Speaker 2: I love you as a friend, Dave, and love you
Speaker 2: as a broadcaster, and know the kind of family man
Speaker 2: you are and the kind of husband you are, kind
Speaker 2: of son you are, and my life has been made
Speaker 2: much better by us being together. And I hope, I
Speaker 2: hope for the next how many years we're in the
Speaker 2: business at the same time, and you're a little bit
Speaker 2: younger than I am, but that we continue to cross
Speaker 2: paths and have more meals. We began talking about food,
Speaker 2: we'll end talking about food and meals. And while we
Speaker 2: enjoy the games, it's the friends we make along the
Speaker 2: way that really make it a rich experience and a
Speaker 2: blessed experience. But thanks for having me on. Always great
Speaker 2: to hear your voice, and I'll be watching this Saturday,
Speaker 2: and I'll try to catch your highlights on Sunday and
Speaker 2: look forward to the next time we do. Indeed, cross
Speaker 2: paths in person, and it's always fun to give you
Speaker 2: a hug and say hello and talk about our business
Speaker 2: and our families. We enjoy that so much.
Speaker 1: The Great Doug Collins, a longtime announcer, former Bulls and
Speaker 1: Wizards coach who worked with you, and then when he
Speaker 1: came to ESPN and worked with me, said, every play
Speaker 1: by play guy that he's ever worked with is always famished,
Speaker 1: and I think you and I can attest to that. Thanks,
Speaker 1: Brother green right.
Speaker 2: Always talked about Breening. Mike was the same, Mic has
Speaker 2: always wanted to eat and so I bet if it's me,
Speaker 2: you and him, how lucky am I to be included
Speaker 2: with two guys like you and Doug was for both
Speaker 2: of us a mentor and a friend, and a lives
Speaker 2: in the valley right, he's right there, and then beautiful
Speaker 2: Scottsdale so's He's always in our thoughts, even though he's
Speaker 2: retired now and watching from afar. We love Doug and Dave.
Speaker 2: Good luck this weekend. I'll be watching, I'll be listening,
Speaker 2: and how fun to be I'm with you on your podcast.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the invitation.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the story about being on hand for the Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers injury is timely, but I got a kick out
Speaker 1: of the Kurt Warner stuff too, Kurt grabbing cold hot
Speaker 1: dogs and hamburgers, cleaning out the press box so he
Speaker 1: can have a postgame meal while he studies film for
Speaker 1: his next assignment I thought was great, and then just
Speaker 1: thinking about all of the moments that Kevin has witnessed,
Speaker 1: going back to calling Kansas City Kings basketball four decades ago,
Speaker 1: and then growing up in the NFL with his dad,
Speaker 1: longtime executive, his brother who was with the Bears for
Speaker 1: a long time, and I just love the fact that
Speaker 1: Kevin has fun. He doesn't take himself too seriously, the
Speaker 1: way he handles the sponsor reads during the broadcast, working
Speaker 1: in honey licious into a broadcast. He's one of the
Speaker 1: best and probably one of the most underrated announcers in
Speaker 1: our business. Even though he's multiple Broadcaster of the Year nationally,
Speaker 1: still does such a great job, such a high level,
Speaker 1: always as energy and passion, and I know some one
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