WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Kevin Harlan

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Pash Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals broadcaster. My guest this week is a fellow announcer,

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Harlan, who works for CBS Television, west Wood Win Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>T and T TV doing NBA games and college basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin is one of the most accomplished broadcasters in the business.

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<v Speaker 1>He has been doing high level games on network television

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<v Speaker 1>and radio for four decades. He's called so many memorable

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<v Speaker 1>moments in sports history and in particular NFL history, including

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<v Speaker 1>this past Monday night when he was on hand for

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers debut as the New York Jets quarterback, which,

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately for Rogers and Jets fans, lasted only four plays.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no visible sign of Aaron of oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I know exactly what's happened, or oh my god, the

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<v Speaker 2>pain is excruciating. I knew and he sat down. This

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<v Speaker 2>was not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin also talks about what it's like working with former

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals quarterback and Hall of Famer Kurt Warner on the

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<v Speaker 1>Westwood One Monday night football broadcast. We'll talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>very important aspect to broadcasting. That's eating and what we

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<v Speaker 1>do the night before games, as well as some of

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite moments over the course of his long career

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<v Speaker 1>with one of the greats in broadcasting history, Kevin Harlan. Well, keV.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time I saw you, I saw a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you doing Eastern Conference Finals for TNT. I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing ESPN Radio. So we had a seven game series

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we probably had at least ten to

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<v Speaker 1>twelve meals together. And is that not one of the

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<v Speaker 1>more underrated aspects of what we get to do is

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<v Speaker 1>finding a good restaurant and getting a good meal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, it's more important. I think both

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<v Speaker 2>of us would have tesked in finding a kind friend.

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<v Speaker 2>And while you and I have crosspaths over the years

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<v Speaker 2>in the bubble or wherever, we have had this nice friendship,

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<v Speaker 2>but from afar and the best thing about those meals

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about having the great opportunity in this business

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<v Speaker 2>to be on a series like that is to spend

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<v Speaker 2>time together. I've told people for years that one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite broadcasters is Dave Pash and so for a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to have that kind of time, which you really haven't,

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<v Speaker 2>but had that kind of time face to face and

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<v Speaker 2>meal to meal, uh, and then joined with other people

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<v Speaker 2>in our in our little sphere, covering that series was

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<v Speaker 2>definitely the best part of it. It may have been a

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<v Speaker 2>seven game series, but maybe for you and I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff outside of it, and that was a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the series outside of basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And I appreciate the kind words. The feeling

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<v Speaker 1>is certainly mutual. I remember the one place it was you, me,

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<v Speaker 1>Doris Burke, Ali LaForce. It was somewhere in Miami, some

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive place that I don't know how we got into.

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<v Speaker 1>And you and I, though, were a little concerned because

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<v Speaker 1>after about an hour and a half in they just

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<v Speaker 1>had appetizers, and you and I looked at each other like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>is this it? And then we were outside and I

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<v Speaker 1>was outside and you came out and you said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come here, and we go back, and now there's this

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<v Speaker 1>huge spread. The problem is nobody told us that we

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<v Speaker 1>were paying for all of it. And then we got

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<v Speaker 1>the bill and yeah, there went pretty for the month.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the food was good and the restaurant, don't

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<v Speaker 2>you ad it was cool? Oh yeah, like one of

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<v Speaker 2>those bucket list my daughters. My daughters saw that we

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<v Speaker 2>had gone there, and they just went ballistic. Dad. You

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<v Speaker 2>know how hard it is to get in there, Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the best restaurants in Miami. Like, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>wants to go there. And you and I just thought

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<v Speaker 2>we were just out for kind of another and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and the bill was hefty, but it was nice and

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, you and I sat right next to each

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<v Speaker 2>other and we looked at it and goes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're the first keV. I don't think there's enough here

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<v Speaker 2>to feed us. I say, you know what, there's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be another all night place around here. We'll stop

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<v Speaker 2>buying and go back to the hotel, we'll have to stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but we didn't have to, and it was a nice

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<v Speaker 2>night and chance to be a Doris and Ali people

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<v Speaker 2>that we just have so much respect for, and and

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<v Speaker 2>some other people. I guess some of the people that

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<v Speaker 2>were in that group, and I don't know if we should.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't name names, but they were like big social

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<v Speaker 2>media slash like known internet people that you and I

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea who they were. They were there and

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<v Speaker 2>they were eating with us, weren't they.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't mind saying because I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>his name, but it was the creator of Cameo who

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting with us. We had no idea. We're like,

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<v Speaker 1>so what do you do? He's like, oh, you ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard of Cameo. I'm like yeah, it's like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>invented it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't Cameo the rock group that the group

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<v Speaker 2>this is. This is Cameo the app. And yeah. No.

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<v Speaker 2>My daughters went just nuts when they saw where we were,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, I actually told my wife when I got back,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I said, I've got a new place. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we can ever get in, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to try. If we ever get to Miami's South

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<v Speaker 2>Florida again on a trip that will we'll make that

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<v Speaker 2>a part. It was. It was a beautiful, beautiful place

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<v Speaker 2>and but one of many, as you say, now, some

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<v Speaker 2>of these meals and we ate well, and but our

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<v Speaker 2>group encompassed a lot of really known and respected reporters.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to Ali who was not with us every night,

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<v Speaker 2>or Doris who is not with us every night, we

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<v Speaker 2>had some guys from your ESPN group that were there covering.

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<v Speaker 2>We can see Brian Windhorse can't wait. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>that it was that kind of guy that was in

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<v Speaker 2>this group, and it was so much fun. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really the best part of that two week

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<v Speaker 2>Miami Boston back and forth in the Eastern Conference Finals.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you work with Kurt Warner every Monday night during

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<v Speaker 1>football season, and obviously Kurt has strong ties here to

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<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals, still lives in Arizona. How much time do

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<v Speaker 1>you guys get to spend together off the air. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're always coming from a Sunday game and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're always trying to get home to see your wife

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of days before you, you know, start

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<v Speaker 1>all over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the same schedule that you have, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>your weekend is ungodly, but I know that we both

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, how lucky are we to be in this

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<v Speaker 2>position to get to do you know, these kind of

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<v Speaker 2>games and have that kind of life and and and

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<v Speaker 2>live out our dreams right as little kids. Is what

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<v Speaker 2>we dreamed about and here we are. Here we are

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. But you know, one of the nice things

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<v Speaker 2>aside from doing the game and being a part of

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<v Speaker 2>it is who you work with. I know you enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>all the people that you work with at ESPN with

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<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals, and I feel the same about Trent Green

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<v Speaker 2>with my CBS games on Sunday and my Monday night partner,

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Warner. I don't know that I've met a more humble, kinder,

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<v Speaker 2>more generous person than Kurt. And he is the consummate professional. Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I have talked about. This is his study

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<v Speaker 2>for each week of the NFL is off the charts.

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<v Speaker 2>He will watch every snap of every game, usually does

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<v Speaker 2>it the three hours where before Monday night broadcast. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>then go back to his room because nobody can sleep

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<v Speaker 2>after a game that we do, and he'll stay at

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<v Speaker 2>maybe to two three in the morning. As I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>he did a couple of nights ago and in the

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<v Speaker 2>Meadowlands and at our hotel in Newark that he would

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<v Speaker 2>pour over more games and get ready. And so by

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday night, I think he has told me that not

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<v Speaker 2>only has he taken copious notes of the games he

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<v Speaker 2>has watched, but he's watched every snap of every game

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<v Speaker 2>from the previous weekend. So is his preparation is just

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<v Speaker 2>off the He's incredible that way. And as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the confidence we have and how you and I prepare

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<v Speaker 2>another play by play guys prepare, you know, puts us

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<v Speaker 2>in a comfort zone. But when you know that your

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<v Speaker 2>analyst has maybe gone above and beyond that and done

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<v Speaker 2>a completely different set of preparation things, it just makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel so confident when you put on that headset

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<v Speaker 2>and go into the game. And that's what Kurt adds

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<v Speaker 2>to our Monday night broadcast. He is prepared, he knows.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on the field and does a hit with

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL Network every pregame of these Monday night games,

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<v Speaker 2>and they get the chance to talk with a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of coaches, a couple of players, so he gets more

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<v Speaker 2>of a pulse just before kickoff of what each team

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<v Speaker 2>is feeling and brings that to our broadcast. But then

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<v Speaker 2>just as the person, I love him. I love him

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<v Speaker 2>as a friend. He's been so wonderful to me. We've

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<v Speaker 2>grown close over the years. We've done ten years of

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<v Speaker 2>Monday night football together. And before that, I was lucky

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<v Speaker 2>enough to work with Boomerasia and had the same exact

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with Boomers. So I've been blessed in so many ways,

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<v Speaker 2>and but one of the ways of having great partners

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<v Speaker 2>on these Monday night broadcasts, and just I'm so thankful

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<v Speaker 2>I have the chance. And he's so respected, he's in

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall of Fame clearly and has all that. But

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<v Speaker 2>as a person, Kurt, there's none better, none better.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think I told you this story when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw you but two thousand and nine, which hard

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that it's been fourteen years since Kurt retired.

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<v Speaker 1>But in two thousand and nine he started kind of

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<v Speaker 1>giving me a heads up that hey, this might be it.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously, you know, I was sworn to secrecy and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't say anything, but he said, I want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>look into broadcasting. Can he come up to the house

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<v Speaker 1>and show me how to do a board and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just sit there and kind of do a mock game.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did that with him. But part of the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote like initiation was I had to go play

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<v Speaker 1>basketball with him at the YMCA. And I'm telling you, now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a guy that just went to the Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl and we are playing basketball at the YMCA. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a mouth guard in. I mean, he is like

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<v Speaker 1>setting hard screens. Have you have you I mean he's

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<v Speaker 1>so competitive, which I love. Have you not? Have you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen that side of him? That competitive side

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<v Speaker 1>come out?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? You know, I do know that he is competitive

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<v Speaker 2>about the business. I have not seen that side, but

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<v Speaker 2>clearly know for stories like yours are just what he

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<v Speaker 2>did as an athlete and how to begin his NFL

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<v Speaker 2>career with such a struggle, and how he just would

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<v Speaker 2>never take no and never not given up to where

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<v Speaker 2>whatever his goal was and clearly the goals were within

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<v Speaker 2>reach and beginning in ninety nine and on to the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Hall of Fame induction in Kenton, he has

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<v Speaker 2>he has met those challenges and is is fueled by

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<v Speaker 2>those challenges. And but I love your story. It does

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<v Speaker 2>shed another kind of you know, mark on him and

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<v Speaker 2>just the kind of person he is and how he

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<v Speaker 2>feels about life. I think he just feels that everything

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<v Speaker 2>about life has a challenge, and he wants to whether

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<v Speaker 2>he's the most prepared analyst, or whether he's the best

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<v Speaker 2>dad or the best husband. I just think he takes

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<v Speaker 2>all these things in life very seriously, knows how blessed

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<v Speaker 2>he is and how he has been able to live

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<v Speaker 2>a life that he dreamt about in his living. So

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's a he's a he's a world class eater.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, there are not many analysts, especially Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Famers, that leaving a press box with food laid

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<v Speaker 2>out that may have been out for a couple hours

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<v Speaker 2>is the kind of guy that will go get a

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<v Speaker 2>plate full of what a couple of nights ago. We're

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<v Speaker 2>in the Middlelands, so we've got a hamburger or hotdog.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how long they had been out their day,

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<v Speaker 2>but clearly hour upon hour had been exposed. He grabbed

0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.280
<v Speaker 2>it and took it back to his room so he

0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.360
<v Speaker 2>could con fuel more energy, so he could watch watch tape.

0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.719
<v Speaker 2>The guy is The guy is a machine and and

0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.360
<v Speaker 2>thrives on He's taken late night flights after doing his stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday in the NFL Network studio. Then he flies home

0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.640
<v Speaker 2>to spend the afternoon with kids and grandkids and his

0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.800
<v Speaker 2>wife Brenda in Phoenix. Then goes back out to the

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<v Speaker 2>Phoenix airport after arriving there from la where he's done

0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.840
<v Speaker 2>his show earlier that day, goes back after about ten

0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.520
<v Speaker 2>eleven o'clock at night something you have done, and takes

0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.920
<v Speaker 2>a red eye to our Monday night game and then

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<v Speaker 2>arrives at you know, five six in the morning. And

0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.080
<v Speaker 2>there he is when we get in the car at

0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.199
<v Speaker 2>about three three thirty, and he's ready to go. He's

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<v Speaker 2>and I always admire his stamina, it's incredible, but he's

0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.719
<v Speaker 2>fueled by all these things. And so the why basketball

0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.400
<v Speaker 2>pickup story with you probably probably doesn't surprise me as

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<v Speaker 2>much as it might surprise others.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you mentioned the game that you did keV on Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>and you and I were texting about it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm curious, what was that like, What was the

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<v Speaker 1>moment like for you? Calling the play that Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>tears his achilles's It may end up being the most

0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.319
<v Speaker 1>important moment in the NFL in twenty twenty three, and

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<v Speaker 1>it happened very early in week one. What was that like,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your reaction? What were you guys talking about

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<v Speaker 1>during the break? Did you both feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you had a chance to kind of take a breath,

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<v Speaker 1>that hey, that's an Achilles and he's done well.

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<v Speaker 2>We were the First thing that kind of came out

0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.000
<v Speaker 2>in the cars we're driving back to the hotel after

0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:21.199
<v Speaker 2>the game was think about our last two Monday night

0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.880
<v Speaker 2>broadcasts that we've done, going back to last year. It

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<v Speaker 2>was DeMar Hamlin, we did that game in Cincinnati, and

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<v Speaker 2>now the very next Monday night game we do is

0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the opener in New York with Rogers and the Jets

0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.880
<v Speaker 2>against the Bills, And this happens four plays in and

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<v Speaker 2>we're thinking, holy smokes, like we have seen two of

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<v Speaker 2>the definitive moments over the last couple of years in

0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.120
<v Speaker 2>the NFL, and moments that will resonate for years to come.

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<v Speaker 2>And in those moments, you just clearly just try to

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<v Speaker 2>report what you're seeing because we're doing we're doing radio

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<v Speaker 2>as you would do, and you just kind of go

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<v Speaker 2>with what your eyes are telling you. But the game

0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.880
<v Speaker 2>then resumed, by the way, unlike the Hamlin game, which

0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.840
<v Speaker 2>was in limbo for quite some time. Would it restart

0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.080
<v Speaker 2>or would they call it? And eventually, you know, called

0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.439
<v Speaker 2>the game this. You know, they took him off. We're

0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to follow the story of his examination in the

0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.400
<v Speaker 2>blue tent and then his emergence and then getting on

0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the cart and take into the locker room wearing a boot.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only thing that was perplexing about it was

0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>that there was no visible sign outwardly of Aaron of

0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.640
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I know exactly what's happened, or oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, the pain is excruciating. He just he was stonefaced.

0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:44.480
<v Speaker 2>He didn't He got up to his feet, he put

0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.960
<v Speaker 2>a little weight on that leg. He knew immediately. He

0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:48.960
<v Speaker 2>knows his body very well. At this age. You've got

0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.320
<v Speaker 2>to because you're trying to survive all the hits, so

0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you know every inch of every part of your body

0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.640
<v Speaker 2>and what it can sustain and when it doesn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 2>And he knew, and he sat back down again and

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<v Speaker 2>again did not make an expression. I knew when he

0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.000
<v Speaker 2>sat down this was not good now. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know it was an achilles. I didn't know what it was.

0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't even sure it was a leg or a knee.

0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.480
<v Speaker 2>You just don't know, and you don't guess, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can say, well, they've looked, they're looking at the ankle,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what they we could see and you say

0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.160
<v Speaker 2>what you see, as they say, when you see something,

0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.000
<v Speaker 2>say something. And that's exactly what we did, kind of

0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.080
<v Speaker 2>like with the Hamlin thing here before in Cincinnati with

0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the Bills again and the Bengals. So but the emotion

0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.760
<v Speaker 2>in that building and you've been you've done many games

0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.120
<v Speaker 2>at Metlaine Stadium in the Meadowlands. The the emotion in

0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.200
<v Speaker 2>that building, Dave was as he was carried as he

0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.120
<v Speaker 2>ran out with the American flag in a city that

0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.240
<v Speaker 2>he clearly an area, tri state area that he is.

0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.680
<v Speaker 2>He is clearly embraced and they have embraced him back

0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and represented everything that was a part of their season. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know experts had picked them to go deep

0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.400
<v Speaker 2>into the year, you know, the playoffs with Rogers if

0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.960
<v Speaker 2>you were healthy. So for that to happen, after the

0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.840
<v Speaker 2>elation before the game and seeing now this quarterback, you know,

0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.920
<v Speaker 2>wearing that number in their colors on the field ten

0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.360
<v Speaker 2>then take the field for those fans was the kind

0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.360
<v Speaker 2>of exuberance they haven't really had a chance to express

0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.160
<v Speaker 2>an emotion they haven't had a chance to experience in

0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.880
<v Speaker 2>such a long time, and then for it to end

0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and stop, and it's tracked so early in the game

0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.840
<v Speaker 2>and not even really get a chance to feel what

0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.280
<v Speaker 2>it was like to celebrate a guy like that was

0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the range of emotions from that, and then you know,

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.400
<v Speaker 2>then some life shown by the Jets, and then eventually

0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.440
<v Speaker 2>win it on the dramatic historical return for a punt

0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.120
<v Speaker 2>by a rookie free agent in overtime. It made for

0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:50.160
<v Speaker 2>a myriad of emotions by broadcasters and certainly by Jet fans.

0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.440
<v Speaker 2>There it was an incredible and incomparable Monday Night something

0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:58.200
<v Speaker 2>that I can't recall except the Hamling thing that had

0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.640
<v Speaker 2>preceded it in the final Monday Night last year.

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<v Speaker 1>keV, You've done so many big games and called so

0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.240
<v Speaker 1>many big moments over the years, whether it's NFL or

0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.840
<v Speaker 1>college basketball or NBA, and obviously I'm sure you'll never

0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.159
<v Speaker 1>forget the tomor Hamlin moments. You're probably not going to

0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.080
<v Speaker 1>forget this game with Aaron Rodgers. Do you have a

0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.320
<v Speaker 1>handful of games. I'm sure you get asked this a

0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:29.119
<v Speaker 1>lot that you'll that you recall vividly important moments or

0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that you'll look back on and say, man, I can't

0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.080
<v Speaker 1>believe I was there for that.

0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if it's just the stage of

0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.040
<v Speaker 2>my career, Dave, and probably, like you, the things that

0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:40.680
<v Speaker 2>really stand out of the things that have happened in

0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years. If you go back for

0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.639
<v Speaker 2>you and I ten, fifteen, twenty five years, some of

0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.320
<v Speaker 2>that stuff kind of blends together, right, I mean, yeah,

0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.040
<v Speaker 2>but some have been In the nca Tournament, there was

0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:58.119
<v Speaker 2>this kid for Weber State against North Carolina back in

0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.879
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine, and I stretch and back here by

0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.600
<v Speaker 2>a kid named Harold Arsenal who grew up under a

0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.480
<v Speaker 2>vidoc in New Orleans, who was homeless, and for one

0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:12.400
<v Speaker 2>shining moment for weaver State they eventually knocked off North Carolina.

0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.280
<v Speaker 2>He had put like thirty seven points in. Then there

0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.480
<v Speaker 2>was Ari Farrukbanash of Northern Iowa who beat number one

0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.320
<v Speaker 2>overall seed Kansas as an eight or nine seed for

0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Northern Iowa. He's now an assistant basketball coach. I think

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.960
<v Speaker 2>at Nebraska, if I'm not mistaken, maybe Colorado. He's bounced

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.440
<v Speaker 2>around a little bit, but he's coaching now, but he

0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.520
<v Speaker 2>was like five to nine and like seven threes. This

0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:41.000
<v Speaker 2>past year we had Furman upsetting Virginia, and there were

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.720
<v Speaker 2>it was a thirteen over a four and a Final

0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.240
<v Speaker 2>four Virginia team with their starting guard from that Final

0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.680
<v Speaker 2>four championship team a couple of years ago. Inexplicably throws

0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the ball in the air with time running out. Made

0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.680
<v Speaker 2>no sense, like a kind of play that that I

0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.400
<v Speaker 2>might make. You know, I'm at a ye game that's

0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.040
<v Speaker 2>thrown it away just because I've too much pressure on me.

0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.719
<v Speaker 2>He throws it right to the opposing Furman guy, who

0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.040
<v Speaker 2>feeds to a sharpshooter who hits a three that wins

0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the game. The the interception by Malcolm Butler at the

0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.320
<v Speaker 2>goal line in the Super Bowl against Russell Wilson in Seattle,

0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.360
<v Speaker 2>that was a big play. The twenty eight to three

0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.200
<v Speaker 2>comeback by Brady in the Super Bowl to win it

0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.600
<v Speaker 2>in overtime, that was I remember those plays. We had

0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.879
<v Speaker 2>a Jared Goff Mahomes high scoring Monday Night game a

0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago in the Historic Coliseum in La

0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:35.240
<v Speaker 2>I remember that. I remember Tooa tongue of Iloa. A

0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.920
<v Speaker 2>couple last year early against Baltimore was six second half

0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:43.400
<v Speaker 2>touchdown passes, four hundred and sixty plus yards and come

0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.959
<v Speaker 2>from behind win against Baltimore. This past weekend we did

0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 2>the Chargers and Dolphins, you know, so you remember some

0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.680
<v Speaker 2>of it, and that was a big four hundred and

0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.679
<v Speaker 2>fifty yard plus performance by tongue of Iolo again two

0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred plus yards receiving by Tyreek Hill. So yeah, I

0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of remember things like that. Now they'll stay eventually

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.359
<v Speaker 2>and it'll take someone to bring Hey, do you remember

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.000
<v Speaker 2>that gaming off to think? Oh yeah, yeah, No, I

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.920
<v Speaker 2>do remember that now and what happened. But you know,

0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.639
<v Speaker 2>so I remember my first NFL game ever back in

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.560
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five when I was twenty four, Remember that

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.440
<v Speaker 2>game with Len Dawson for the Chiefs radio network. I

0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>remember my first NBA broadcast when I was twenty two

0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:22.879
<v Speaker 2>doing that. I got that job out of colle So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I remember like things like that, and it

0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 2>takes a while, but you know, once a game ends, man,

0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.159
<v Speaker 2>you pack it. You're onto the next game. We're on

0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:35.240
<v Speaker 2>to Cincinnati, right, You're onto the We're on to the

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.399
<v Speaker 2>next game. And so I guess I kind of I

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.439
<v Speaker 2>don't erase it and know it was special. But if

0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting ready for the next game, then I'm

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.959
<v Speaker 2>going backwards. And I can't. We none of us can

0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.600
<v Speaker 2>afford to go backwards in this business. So I guess

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.240
<v Speaker 2>I kind of look at it like that. But yeah, lucky,

0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:52.800
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of moments and individual performances. You and

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I have called Kobe, You and I have called Lebron

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 2>You and I, you know, are are going to call

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.320
<v Speaker 2>wembn Yama. We've called Kevin Durant. You know, we've called Curry.

0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Like how lucky have we been to call these NBA

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.679
<v Speaker 2>guys over the years, And now we're calling these NFL

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.680
<v Speaker 2>players Rogers and Brady and everybody else. And so we've

0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.240
<v Speaker 2>all got memories, and I guess it just takes a

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.040
<v Speaker 2>name to kind of spark something. But off the top

0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:17.840
<v Speaker 2>of my head, aside from the ones I just mentioned,

0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.120
<v Speaker 2>because they happened in the last couple of years, i'd

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.399
<v Speaker 2>have to go back and have to be kind of

0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.160
<v Speaker 2>jolted a little bit with my memory to think about, oh, yeah,

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that's right, that's what happened. Here's here's my recollection of it.

0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'd have to go back like that in the

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<v Speaker 2>files to think about what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean you've, like you said, you've you've been

0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.280
<v Speaker 1>doing this for so long, I mean starting when you

0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.159
<v Speaker 1>did getting and it was the Kansas City Kings, right,

0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it was your first Yeah, yeah, And you grew up

0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL with you know, your dad longtime executive

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.000
<v Speaker 1>with the Packers, and then you know your brother was

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.080
<v Speaker 1>a longtime public relations chief for the Bears. Did you

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think I've asked you this, did you

0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 1>always know you wanted to get into broadcasting.

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, not until my dad wanted to be a commercial

0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.200
<v Speaker 2>airline pilot. My dad took a look at my math

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.520
<v Speaker 2>grades when I brought him home one time when I

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.119
<v Speaker 2>was in grade school, and he looked at the grade

0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and he looked at me, and he looked at my

0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 2>math grade is like a seventh or eighth grader, and

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.120
<v Speaker 2>looked at me and say, you know, I think I'd

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.879
<v Speaker 2>stick with journalism. I think I'd stick with being you know,

0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 2>in the business. But at an early age, Yeah, the

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 2>first voice I really ever remember taking note of that

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.680
<v Speaker 2>may have sparked that interest was John Facinda narrating highlights

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.240
<v Speaker 2>from Super Bowl one. So I was about eight or

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.160
<v Speaker 2>nine years old, and remember that and then being around.

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:36.159
<v Speaker 2>My dad was at the Baseball Cardinals too, as the

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:41.320
<v Speaker 2>media relations director during the Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Tim McCarver,

0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Orlando cepaida Roger Merris years and two World Series appearances

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.320
<v Speaker 2>in sixty seven and sixty eight, and he used to

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 2>bring me down there. So I'd be in the press

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.680
<v Speaker 2>box when I was like seven or eight years old,

0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.879
<v Speaker 2>and I remember distinctly sitting in the back of the box.

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<v Speaker 2>On my day was Sunday, we'd go to church, would

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 2>go down to Bush Stadium. We'd have breakfast in the

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 2>press box, and we'd see the Ben Scullies and the

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Bob Princes and the Jack Bucks and the Harry Careys

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.440
<v Speaker 2>come in. You know, had a bite deep before the game.

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 2>So I saw these guys, but you know, at eight seven,

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>eight years old, it really didn't resonate with me. But

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I'd go sit in their booths and listen to them.

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>In the back of the booth. At that time, there

0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 2>was not a lot of security, and because I had

0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.520
<v Speaker 2>a press pass, I could kind of roam around and

0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.399
<v Speaker 2>I'd go sit in the back of these booths, and

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember Buck specifically, and then you know, followed him

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>clearly once I got to know the voice and the

0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:39.200
<v Speaker 2>man who was always incredibly kind worked with Joe at Fox,

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>So you know, that was another blessing, another wonderful moment

0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>to be with Joe in that first group at Fox

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>when they began the NFL in ninety four, So you know,

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.959
<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, from a pretty early age, I kind

0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 2>of know. I used to do games in my room

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.920
<v Speaker 2>with the doors shut off of a TV, used to

0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 2>practice all the time. Went to a high school with

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the radio station, which was why would a high school

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and it was an all boys Catholic school in Green Bay,

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 2>why would they have a ten watt radio station. But

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 2>they did, and it broadcasts and I got to start

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>broadcasting there when I was fourteen years old. And but

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>but I'd done all these games in my room, you know,

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 2>from the time I was about ten or eleven, So yeah,

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and then and then when the Packer home games,

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 2>had work in the press box and used to be

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 2>a spotter. I was a spotterer for Lindsay Nelson when

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like twelve years old, when he'd come in

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:35.159
<v Speaker 2>with CBS and Tim Ryan and Jim Simpson, I remember

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 2>doing stuff. So anyway, I'm going on and on, but

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 2>those are that that's what really fueled it. Looking behind

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.760
<v Speaker 2>the curtain, so to speak, what it was like to

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 2>be in a major league press box, National Football League

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 2>press box and watch these guys and know their lifestyle

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and the games they were covering. And and then I

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of thought, well, if I can't be an airline

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.120
<v Speaker 2>by at least I can travel and and and then

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I love sports and could do this thing, this this

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.679
<v Speaker 2>broadcasting if everything worked out, and I loved the business

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and the challenge of being in the business. But obviously,

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 2>this career that I've had, this life that I've had,

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.719
<v Speaker 2>has exceeded anything that I possibly could have dreamt. I mean,

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>we all dream of something, but to be in this position,

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure like you, you just think, my goodness, how

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>how fortunate have I been to be able to do

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the things I dreamt of as a kid.

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, no one will disagree that you're. Among your amazing

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>qualities as announcer is your energy and how you always

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>meet the big moments. One of the other things that

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure you get asked about this maybe more

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>than anything else, probably similar to you know, when I

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 1>talk to people or people ask me about broadcasting, it's

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>usually a question about Bill Walton. Like Chris Finch, the

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Minnesota Timberwolves head coach last year, after we did our

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>production meeting with him, he goes, hey, can I talk

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to you for a second. I'm like, uh, oh, I

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 1>must have said something, you know, like he and he goes,

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>what's it like to work with Bill Walton? I just

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't expect what. I'm sure people ask you a lot

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 1>about you calling when someone a streaker or whomever runs

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.879
<v Speaker 1>out of the field and you have fun with it

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and you call it like you know, it's a game

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>winning play in the Super Bowl, Like did that just

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 1>come naturally? We like, just I'm gonna have fun with this.

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't if you even remember how it started, but

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean some of those are obviously legendary and you've

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 1>gotten a lot of notoriety for it.

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I had. I had Dave a time with the Timberwolves.

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>That was their original voice. I was still doing the

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>cheaps on radio, and this was before I went to

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>ESPN nineteen ninety one to do Big Ten for a

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 2>couple of years before then went to Fox. So I

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 2>worked with Kevin McHale, the great Celtic who is from Minnesota,

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 2>and that's where he settled after he retired, and the

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Timberwolves brought him on to be a color analyst on

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 2>TV games for the Timberwolves. And the Timberwolves, as you

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>recall back then, were god awful. I mean you could

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 2>not watch them. They lost, you know, fifty sixty games

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 2>every year. They always they just as all expansion teams do.

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>They struggled early. But Kevin McHale was my partner, and

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:20.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's got a sense of humor that is

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>probably quite a bit like his former teammate with the Celtics,

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill Walton. And by the way, you handle Walton like

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 2>only you can and beautifully. And it is one of

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.120
<v Speaker 2>the great things in our business to have some kind

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 2>of a combination that really stands out, and that one

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 2>does and people think it's Walton, but I know it's

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.080
<v Speaker 2>because of you be setting them up and playing the

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>way you do during it, and you're a master at that,

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 2>and that's just the one of many great traits you

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 2>have as a broadcaster. But with Michale, kind of the same,

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of let him go and you start laughing,

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>You'll say stuff, it's just like so off the wall,

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 2>and then we would begin to you know, but like

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 2>thirty points in Philadelphia, and we'd start laughing, you know,

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and we'd have to hit the mute button because you laughs,

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>and we'd miss like a basket on both ends because

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>you're laughing so hard and we couldn't talk. So we

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of got I kind of got a little bit

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 2>of that then, But when I went to the network

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>in ninety well ninety one with ESPN, but then really

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 2>with with the Fox in ninety four when they got

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the NFL, I kind of shelved that side of meat

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, and was more straight down the middle. And

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 2>so it's not until like the last handful of years

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>that I felt comfortable enough to you know, kind of

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 2>be more relaxed and have more fun. I guess, you know,

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 2>you never planned for those kinds of things because you

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know when ever going to happen, and rarely do

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>they happen. But again, it was a bad game, and

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Kurt Warner and I were doing it on radio, and

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>sure enough, somebody ran on the field in a boring

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>early season Monday night game, and we just kind of

0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 2>ran with it, and a lot of it was fueled

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>because Kurt was the whole time that we talked about

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the guy and what he was doing on the field.

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So that has kind of extended a little bit to

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 2>a couple of calls like that. It's you know, I

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 2>never want to get pegged as a guy that only

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>can do drunks and wild animals enter the playing field.

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 2>But but that hopefully just be kind of a part

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of what I've done. And if people take it, and

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to offend anybody to show disrespect to

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 2>the game or the broadcast or my employers or anything

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 2>like that, I would doubt it's not my intent. But

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>some of these people, as you would attest, you know,

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 2>there's some goofy stuff you see happen during games. Most

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of it happens in the stands, and sometimes it'll spill

0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 2>out into the field. You see stuff that just like like, like,

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>what is this guy doing? Uh So anyway, but I

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 2>hope people do take it the right way and I

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>have that fun with it. But you know, sometimes you

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 2>can go a little too far too and I've since

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 2>the last time that's ever happened, which I think was

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>a super Bowl a couple of years ago. I've tried

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>to stay away from it and just and kind of

0:29:58.440 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 2>stick with the game.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Producer Jim O. Mahundro before you got on, was just

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>playing me the call from the Super Bowl and I

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.959
<v Speaker 1>was dying laughing. I mean, it's so good. And then

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>also how you work the sponsors sometimes into it. And

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear the other night, but I guess it's

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a new Westwood sponsor, Honeylicious, and somehow you worked Honeylicious.

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>And do it call it's vix. It's like vix vapor

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>rub and they're trying to describe it, and they and

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 2>the copy. You know, I look at the copy before,

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 2>like you do before games. Things you got to read

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>and in game promos is what they're and you're promoting

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 2>a game or out show or whatever, and we were promoting.

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I was reading this is actually a commercial, but I

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 2>perhaps not you know, looked at the words closely enough.

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 2>So when I read it live on the air, I go, Honey,

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, I hope. I first of all, hope I'm

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 2>saying it the right way. I should have. I should

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>have looked closer at the copy. And then it came

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>out and it just sounded weird and funny, and Kurt

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 2>again giggled when I said it, and so then we

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of got into a thing about that. I guess

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>we kind of look at it like like people are

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>eavesdropping on a conversation that Kurt and I might be

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 2>having on Monday night. And he's got a great sense

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 2>of humor and is really fun loving, And again, we

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 2>don't want to disrespect the game, but there are moments

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>of levity and sometimes it comes out of the commercial

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 2>copy that you've got to read on the broadcast, and

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>that was one of those one of those instances that

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 2>happened on Thursday night from the season opener.

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>All right, a couple more cavib'll get you out here,

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>because I think I've kept you longer than I told

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>you I would, but a lot to talk to you about.

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you because now CBS their CBS

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>has more NFC games and Fox has more AFC games.

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Do you know yet if you'll have any cardinal games?

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>How far out you know your schedule right now?

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>No, we don't have any cardinal games, not Monday, nor

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>and we only find out kind of like you with ESPN,

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, your cardinal schedule, clearly, but we're in a

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>world that we we don't really know our games nationally,

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and like sometimes a week out, sometimes thirteen days out,

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 2>and we don't know yet when our next Cardinal game

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>will be. Listen, we've done Super Bowls in that beautiful building.

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Kyler Murray, to me, was one of the more fascinating

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>players to come into the NFL. I'm sorry he got injured,

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry he's still shelved, but I'd like to

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>think that they've got a plan for that team. I

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>know they had a tough one against the Commanders this

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 2>past weekend. I always love going down. I know we

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of Suns games. I'm hopefully get a

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of Cardinal games as well down the stretch.

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Last one and this is you know, I'm purposely bringing

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>this up because I think a lot of people maybe

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>don't understand that when you go and call a game,

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that it's not just you know, you and Kurt or

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you and Trent Green. There's a truck, there is a producer,

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a director, there's a statistician, a spot are. There's

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 1>so many people, whether it's radio or television that go

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>into making a broadcast successful, and these people that are

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes often don't get mentioned. But I was

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>so touched last year watching the NCAA tournament by how

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you and Jim Nantz and others talked glowingly about the

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 1>late Pat McGrath, who was your statistician for a long

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>time and was my statistician on NBA for you know,

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>almost two decades. And unfortunately, actually the day that we

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>were supposed to do a game together in San Francisco

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>passed away, and you know it was really I remember

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>calling you and sharing the information because I just I

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't want because he was supposed to work the nca

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>tournament that week. This was a Monday. He passes away,

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and and we're trying to figure out, well, how do

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>we let see you know, we want a CBS to

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>know about it, but we want to be respectful so

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't get out publicly yet. But CBS has

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:55.479
<v Speaker 1>to know so they're not wondering where's Pat when he's

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be there to to do the NCAA tournament

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>with With Jim anything, you can share any fond memory

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 1>that you have of working with Pat, and you know

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>how much he and others behind the scenes have meant

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to you and helped you.

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, we have those kind of people. You and I

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>work with those people all the time. They're people that

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>are watching or listening. They don't know them, but for

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>you and I, these are indispensable coworkers who are right there.

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 2>And we always say before every broadcast, we're all only

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>as strong as our weakest link. You know, you want

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 2>to make everybody in the truck, everybody upstairs, your engineers,

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>all these people radio or TV feel like you know,

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>their fingerprints are on the broadcast and as you know it.

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Pat who had been in this business, you know, since

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the seventies keeping statistics. I mean he was a legend

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 2>in the business as a statistician and his whole life

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>was based on statistics and numbers and traveling and working.

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.319
<v Speaker 2>You work with Jack Buckenhanks Straham on Monday night back

0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 2>in the day. He worked with you and I to

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 2>the time that he worked his final games. So he

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 2>was into this, into this business like nobody's business. And

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 2>he was a character as most of these people are.

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.839
<v Speaker 2>It's a very nomadic lifestyle like Pat would do. At

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the height of his career, he was doing a Saturday

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 2>game I think for brad Nessler on CBS. Then he

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 2>would drive all night to make a flight to join

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 2>us on Sunday at CBS. Then he would travel with me,

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>probably on his beloved American airlines. That's what he loved

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 2>to play to the Monday night game. And then he

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.799
<v Speaker 2>would have like a Tuesday NBA with me, and then

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 2>a Wednesday or Friday with you, and then he'd start

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 2>all over again. Like the guy was a maniac. He

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.439
<v Speaker 2>was doing like five or six games, you know, a week,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>and he did countless Super Bowls, countless Final fours, worked

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 2>every one of them with Jim Nantz, worked with with

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 2>about every broadcaster you can think of. He somehow Someway

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 2>had worked with them and had devised his own format

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 2>of keeping statistics and whenevery once in a while, and

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 2>you know this better than anybody, he'd hand you a

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 2>note about some you know something, Oh, how do you

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 2>even think about this? But he spends his summers doing

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 2>all this work about you know, the teams knows all

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>these things. He called it sweat equity when there's no

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>season going on, and that's where he would kind of

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 2>delve into the numbers and make him mean something. And

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 2>he was great. His mom was a Pan American reservationist,

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.280
<v Speaker 2>so as a young kid, Pad had a lifetime pass

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>on pan AM, which then evolved into both Delda and

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 2>United as they broke up that that airline. But he

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 2>had a love of flying from and he took advantage

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 2>of it and flew all over the place. And I

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>think he ended with American airlines like over ten million miles.

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 2>So sometimes he would help us with with flights, as

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he did with you. But you knew that.

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 2>So like we would have fun with the audistillas one

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>short story, have fun with them in the booth. And

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I was working with Richd Cannon because rich was at

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>a kind of a devilish side to him too, And

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I'd say, rich let's pretend like you can't get a

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 2>flight home tonight. Don't see what Pat does. So and

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>he always carried the OAG, which was a thick book

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that they published once a month with every flight of

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>every airline in all you know, four corners of the world,

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and and you know, to be a quiet moment before

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the game, and I'd slammed my fist on the desk,

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 2>a dog on it. I cannot believe you can't fly

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 2>home tonight on uh to Minneapolis to get home. I

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.879
<v Speaker 2>can't believe you can't find a flight. And then out

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>of the corner of my eye'd look over at Pat

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and he'd quickly fling open his briefcase and started summoning

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 2>through that oag goes when it was you can there's

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>a flight on Delta, there's a flight on Northwest, there's

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 2>a flight on DETA. You know, we just we'd laugh

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and laugh and laugh. And McGrath knew he'd been caught again. Uh,

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.240
<v Speaker 2>but he knew it. He was like a walking oag.

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>They say that, but he was and uh. And he

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 2>was a unique guy and always uh you know, he

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>never married. He loved his family, his brother had kids

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and and he really became kind of a father to

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 2>his nieces young kids. He kind of served as as

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the grandfatherly type for them. Loved his mom, who passed

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 2>away unfortunately a couple of years ago in her nineties.

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>But his mom was his whole life, and he was

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 2>he was a special guy. You and I will never

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 2>work with anyone like him again. And thank goodness because

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the Good Lord made only one Pat McGraths and and

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 2>from Jim nance to you and Luckily to me and

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and countless others in this business, they've had a chance

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 2>to work with him, and I know we all feel

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>better for it.

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no question. Before Apps, before all the airline apps,

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 1>there was Pat. He knew, he knew everything. Speaking of airlines,

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:49.439
<v Speaker 1>I know you got a few days at home before

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 1>you're heading out. You got Buffalo Sunday, and then which

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Monday I gave you doing because I know there's two.

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just going to broadcast one on Westwood One.

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 2>So they picked I think we're doing the Cleveland. I

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.760
<v Speaker 2>know we're doing Cleveland Pittsburgh. They they've got the choice.

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I think there's another week coming up where they have

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a choice of games, and so they put us on

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the game that they feel as the most national because

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a national broadcast, national appeal. And so the Steelers

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 2>and Browns will be this Monday, and we'll work our

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 2>way through. I know you and I have got some

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>preseason games and mid October we're going to do and

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:27.359
<v Speaker 2>then the season opens up. That that October twenty fourth

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 2>for us, and I think the twenty sixth for you guys,

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 2>or twenty fifth and maybe twenty ninth for you guys.

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>So we we've got NBA coupled with with everything else.

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I admire you from AFAR because it's these are schedules

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 2>that are not easy, and you're thinking a lot, and

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 2>people don't know what you did this past weekend to

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.720
<v Speaker 2>go from New Orleans through Newark to get to Washington

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 2>on a car in a late flight, and so I

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>admire everything. I keep tracking you every week, by the way,

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I always I always look where are you on Saturday?

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>And then where the Cardinals are on Sunday and think,

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>how in the world is you know? They're only a

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>couple of guys that do it. Jean Deckerhoff did it

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 2>with Tampa Bay. He no longer does Florida State. He

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 2>just does the Buccaneers, the cup. Bill Hillgrove did the

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 2>pitt Panthers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Not many people combine

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the college with the pro but you're one of the

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 2>last ones that do it. And I'm just amazed every

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 2>time Bob was Shoes and I know does it with

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.879
<v Speaker 2>the Jets. You guys are a special breed man that's tough,

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 2>and they put you in some far flung areas and

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 2>their travel is not easy. So I but I'm always

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 2>curious to where you are and follow you every weekend,

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 2>and love your work is always I always sit in

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>my hotel room on Saturday afternoon and watch your college games.

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I think people can tell by our conversation.

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I have as much respect for you as anybody in

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the business, and love your call, and and it amazes

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>me how you can get so many college kids in

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and they all play right, invariably, they all play, and

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>then you go back and then you do the Cardinal

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>game flawlessly on Sunday afternoons. It is a gift and

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.839
<v Speaker 2>I am always in awe of how you pull that off.

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, just absolutely amazing.

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Likewise, again, you doing three football games in five days

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and doing the Sunday Monday every week and continuing to

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>do it with the energy you do. And then like

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:28.760
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned basketball starting soon. That's you know, your passion

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and energy to me is among other things, I mean,

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the way you describe it, your radio calls are so descriptive,

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 1>your storytelling, how you have fun. I mean, it's all

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>just You're a great mentor to meet. keV. I appreciate

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>our friendship and I do appreciate you spending forty minutes

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>with us on the pod, my honor.

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 2>I love you as a friend, Dave, and love you

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 2>as a broadcaster, and know the kind of family man

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 2>you are and the kind of husband you are, kind

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>of son you are, and my life has been made

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 2>much better by us being together. And I hope, I

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>hope for the next how many years we're in the

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 2>business at the same time, and you're a little bit

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.760
<v Speaker 2>younger than I am, but that we continue to cross

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>paths and have more meals. We began talking about food,

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 2>we'll end talking about food and meals. And while we

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 2>enjoy the games, it's the friends we make along the

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 2>way that really make it a rich experience and a

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>blessed experience. But thanks for having me on. Always great

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>to hear your voice, and I'll be watching this Saturday,

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'll try to catch your highlights on Sunday and

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.320
<v Speaker 2>look forward to the next time we do. Indeed, cross

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>paths in person, and it's always fun to give you

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.760
<v Speaker 2>a hug and say hello and talk about our business

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:37.359
<v Speaker 2>and our families. We enjoy that so much.

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>The Great Doug Collins, a longtime announcer, former Bulls and

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Wizards coach who worked with you, and then when he

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:46.879
<v Speaker 1>came to ESPN and worked with me, said, every play

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>by play guy that he's ever worked with is always famished,

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.919
<v Speaker 1>and I think you and I can attest to that. Thanks,

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:53.919
<v Speaker 1>Brother green right.

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Always talked about Breening. Mike was the same, Mic has

0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 2>always wanted to eat and so I bet if it's me,

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you and him, how lucky am I to be included

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 2>with two guys like you and Doug was for both

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 2>of us a mentor and a friend, and a lives

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>in the valley right, he's right there, and then beautiful

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Scottsdale so's He's always in our thoughts, even though he's

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 2>retired now and watching from afar. We love Doug and Dave.

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Good luck this weekend. I'll be watching, I'll be listening,

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and how fun to be I'm with you on your podcast.

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for the invitation.

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, the story about being on hand for the Aaron

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Rodgers injury is timely, but I got a kick out

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Kurt Warner stuff too, Kurt grabbing cold hot

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>dogs and hamburgers, cleaning out the press box so he

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 1>can have a postgame meal while he studies film for

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>his next assignment I thought was great, and then just

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.840
<v Speaker 1>thinking about all of the moments that Kevin has witnessed,

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 1>going back to calling Kansas City Kings basketball four decades ago,

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and then growing up in the NFL with his dad,

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>longtime executive, his brother who was with the Bears for

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 1>a long time, and I just love the fact that

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Kevin has fun. He doesn't take himself too seriously, the

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 1>way he handles the sponsor reads during the broadcast, working

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 1>in honey licious into a broadcast. He's one of the

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>best and probably one of the most underrated announcers in

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:28.720
<v Speaker 1>our business. Even though he's multiple Broadcaster of the Year nationally,

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>still does such a great job, such a high level,

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.359
<v Speaker 1>always as energy and passion, and I know some one

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