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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals broadcaster. My guest this week is a fellow announcer,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Harlan, who works for CBS Television, west Wood Win Radio,

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Speaker 1: T and T TV doing NBA games and college basketball.

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Speaker 1: Kevin is one of the most accomplished broadcasters in the business.

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Speaker 1: He has been doing high level games on network television

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Speaker 1: and radio for four decades. He's called so many memorable

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Speaker 1: moments in sports history and in particular NFL history, including

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Speaker 1: this past Monday night when he was on hand for

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers debut as the New York Jets quarterback, which,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately for Rogers and Jets fans, lasted only four plays.

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Speaker 2: There was no visible sign of Aaron of oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Kevin also talks about what it's like working with former

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Speaker 1: Cardinals quarterback and Hall of Famer Kurt Warner on the

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Speaker 1: Westwood One Monday night football broadcast. We'll talk about a

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Speaker 1: very important aspect to broadcasting. That's eating and what we

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Speaker 1: do the night before games, as well as some of

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Speaker 1: his favorite moments over the course of his long career

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Speaker 1: eight hundred. Next step all right, Time for our conversation

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Speaker 1: with one of the greats in broadcasting history, Kevin Harlan. Well, keV.

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Speaker 1: The last time I saw you, I saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of you doing Eastern Conference Finals for TNT. I was

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Speaker 1: doing ESPN Radio. So we had a seven game series

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Speaker 1: and I think we probably had at least ten to

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Speaker 1: twelve meals together. And is that not one of the

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Speaker 1: more underrated aspects of what we get to do is

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Speaker 1: finding a good restaurant and getting a good meal.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it's more important. I think both

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Speaker 2: of us would have tesked in finding a kind friend.

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Speaker 2: And while you and I have crosspaths over the years

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Speaker 2: in the bubble or wherever, we have had this nice friendship,

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Speaker 2: but from afar and the best thing about those meals

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Speaker 2: you're talking about having the great opportunity in this business

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Speaker 2: to be on a series like that is to spend

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Speaker 2: time together. I've told people for years that one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite broadcasters is Dave Pash and so for a

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Speaker 2: chance to have that kind of time, which you really haven't,

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Speaker 2: but had that kind of time face to face and

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Speaker 2: meal to meal, uh, and then joined with other people

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Speaker 2: in our in our little sphere, covering that series was

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Speaker 2: definitely the best part of it. It may have been a

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Speaker 2: seven game series, but maybe for you and I enjoyed

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Speaker 2: this stuff outside of it, and that was a part

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I appreciate the kind words. The feeling

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Speaker 1: is certainly mutual. I remember the one place it was you, me,

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Speaker 1: Doris Burke, Ali LaForce. It was somewhere in Miami, some

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Speaker 1: exclusive place that I don't know how we got into.

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Speaker 1: And you and I, though, were a little concerned because

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Speaker 1: after about an hour and a half in they just

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Speaker 1: had appetizers, and you and I looked at each other like, okay,

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Speaker 1: is this it? And then we were outside and I

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Speaker 1: come here, and we go back, and now there's this

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Speaker 1: huge spread. The problem is nobody told us that we

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Speaker 1: the bill and yeah, there went pretty for the month.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the food was good and the restaurant, don't

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Speaker 2: you ad it was cool? Oh yeah, like one of

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Speaker 2: those bucket list my daughters. My daughters saw that we

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Speaker 2: That's one of the best restaurants in Miami. Like, everybody

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Speaker 2: but we didn't have to, and it was a nice

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Speaker 2: that we just have so much respect for, and and

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Speaker 2: We won't name names, but they were like big social

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mind saying because I don't remember

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't Cameo the rock group that the group

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Speaker 2: My daughters went just nuts when they saw where we were,

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Speaker 2: and uh, I actually told my wife when I got back,

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Speaker 2: a part. It was. It was a beautiful, beautiful place

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Speaker 2: and but one of many, as you say, now, some

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Speaker 2: of these meals and we ate well, and but our

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Speaker 2: In addition to Ali who was not with us every night,

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Speaker 2: We can see Brian Windhorse can't wait. But it was

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Speaker 2: it was really the best part of that two week

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Speaker 1: Well, you work with Kurt Warner every Monday night during

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, still lives in Arizona. How much time do

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Speaker 2: Well, the same schedule that you have, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: it is who you work with. I know you enjoy

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Speaker 2: Kurt Warner. I don't know that I've met a more humble, kinder,

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Speaker 2: more generous person than Kurt. And he is the consummate professional. Dave,

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Speaker 2: He will watch every snap of every game, usually does

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Speaker 2: He goes on the field and does a hit with

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I told you this story when

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Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, I was sworn to secrecy and

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Speaker 1: So I did that with him. But part of the

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that side of him? That competitive side

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Speaker 2: Well? You know, I do know that he is competitive

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Speaker 2: was in grade school, and he looked at the grade

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00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: and he looked at me, and he looked at my

433
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: math grade is like a seventh or eighth grader, and

434
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 2: looked at me and say, you know, I think I'd

435
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: stick with journalism. I think I'd stick with being you know,

436
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: in the business. But at an early age, Yeah, the

437
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: first voice I really ever remember taking note of that

438
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: may have sparked that interest was John Facinda narrating highlights

439
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: from Super Bowl one. So I was about eight or

440
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: nine years old, and remember that and then being around.

441
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 2: My dad was at the Baseball Cardinals too, as the

442
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: media relations director during the Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Tim McCarver,

443
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: Orlando cepaida Roger Merris years and two World Series appearances

444
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: in sixty seven and sixty eight, and he used to

445
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: bring me down there. So I'd be in the press

446
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: box when I was like seven or eight years old,

447
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: and I remember distinctly sitting in the back of the box.

448
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: On my day was Sunday, we'd go to church, would

449
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: go down to Bush Stadium. We'd have breakfast in the

450
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: press box, and we'd see the Ben Scullies and the

451
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: Bob Princes and the Jack Bucks and the Harry Careys

452
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 2: come in. You know, had a bite deep before the game.

453
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: So I saw these guys, but you know, at eight seven,

454
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: eight years old, it really didn't resonate with me. But

455
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: I'd go sit in their booths and listen to them.

456
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: In the back of the booth. At that time, there

457
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 2: was not a lot of security, and because I had

458
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: a press pass, I could kind of roam around and

459
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: I'd go sit in the back of these booths, and

460
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: I remember Buck specifically, and then you know, followed him

461
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: clearly once I got to know the voice and the

462
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: man who was always incredibly kind worked with Joe at Fox,

463
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: So you know, that was another blessing, another wonderful moment

464
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: to be with Joe in that first group at Fox

465
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: when they began the NFL in ninety four, So you know,

466
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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, from a pretty early age, I kind

467
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: of know. I used to do games in my room

468
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: with the doors shut off of a TV, used to

469
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: practice all the time. Went to a high school with

470
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Speaker 2: the radio station, which was why would a high school

471
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: and it was an all boys Catholic school in Green Bay,

472
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: why would they have a ten watt radio station. But

473
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: they did, and it broadcasts and I got to start

474
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: broadcasting there when I was fourteen years old. And but

475
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: but I'd done all these games in my room, you know,

476
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: from the time I was about ten or eleven, So yeah,

477
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: I mean, and then and then when the Packer home games,

478
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: had work in the press box and used to be

479
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: a spotter. I was a spotterer for Lindsay Nelson when

480
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: I was like twelve years old, when he'd come in

481
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 2: with CBS and Tim Ryan and Jim Simpson, I remember

482
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: doing stuff. So anyway, I'm going on and on, but

483
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: those are that that's what really fueled it. Looking behind

484
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: the curtain, so to speak, what it was like to

485
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: be in a major league press box, National Football League

486
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: press box and watch these guys and know their lifestyle

487
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: and the games they were covering. And and then I

488
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: kind of thought, well, if I can't be an airline

489
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: by at least I can travel and and and then

490
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: I love sports and could do this thing, this this

491
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 2: broadcasting if everything worked out, and I loved the business

492
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: and the challenge of being in the business. But obviously,

493
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: this career that I've had, this life that I've had,

494
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 2: has exceeded anything that I possibly could have dreamt. I mean,

495
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: we all dream of something, but to be in this position,

496
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure like you, you just think, my goodness, how

497
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: how fortunate have I been to be able to do

498
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Speaker 2: the things I dreamt of as a kid.

499
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Speaker 1: Well, no one will disagree that you're. Among your amazing

500
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Speaker 1: qualities as announcer is your energy and how you always

501
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: meet the big moments. One of the other things that

502
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you get asked about this maybe more

503
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: than anything else, probably similar to you know, when I

504
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: talk to people or people ask me about broadcasting, it's

505
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: usually a question about Bill Walton. Like Chris Finch, the

506
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: Minnesota Timberwolves head coach last year, after we did our

507
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: production meeting with him, he goes, hey, can I talk

508
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: to you for a second. I'm like, uh, oh, I

509
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: must have said something, you know, like he and he goes,

510
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: what's it like to work with Bill Walton? I just

511
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: didn't expect what. I'm sure people ask you a lot

512
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: about you calling when someone a streaker or whomever runs

513
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: out of the field and you have fun with it

514
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: and you call it like you know, it's a game

515
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: winning play in the Super Bowl, Like did that just

516
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: come naturally? We like, just I'm gonna have fun with this.

517
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't if you even remember how it started, but

518
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean some of those are obviously legendary and you've

519
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of notoriety for it.

520
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: Well, I had. I had Dave a time with the Timberwolves.

521
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: That was their original voice. I was still doing the

522
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: cheaps on radio, and this was before I went to

523
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: ESPN nineteen ninety one to do Big Ten for a

524
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: couple of years before then went to Fox. So I

525
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: worked with Kevin McHale, the great Celtic who is from Minnesota,

526
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: and that's where he settled after he retired, and the

527
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: Timberwolves brought him on to be a color analyst on

528
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Speaker 2: TV games for the Timberwolves. And the Timberwolves, as you

529
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: recall back then, were god awful. I mean you could

530
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: not watch them. They lost, you know, fifty sixty games

531
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: every year. They always they just as all expansion teams do.

532
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: They struggled early. But Kevin McHale was my partner, and

533
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a sense of humor that is

534
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: probably quite a bit like his former teammate with the Celtics,

535
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Bill Walton. And by the way, you handle Walton like

536
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: only you can and beautifully. And it is one of

537
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 2: the great things in our business to have some kind

538
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: of a combination that really stands out, and that one

539
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: does and people think it's Walton, but I know it's

540
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: because of you be setting them up and playing the

541
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: way you do during it, and you're a master at that,

542
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: and that's just the one of many great traits you

543
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: have as a broadcaster. But with Michale, kind of the same,

544
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, kind of let him go and you start laughing,

545
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: You'll say stuff, it's just like so off the wall,

546
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: and then we would begin to you know, but like

547
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: thirty points in Philadelphia, and we'd start laughing, you know,

548
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: and we'd have to hit the mute button because you laughs,

549
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: and we'd miss like a basket on both ends because

550
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: you're laughing so hard and we couldn't talk. So we

551
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: kind of got I kind of got a little bit

552
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: of that then, But when I went to the network

553
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: in ninety well ninety one with ESPN, but then really

554
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: with with the Fox in ninety four when they got

555
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: the NFL, I kind of shelved that side of meat

556
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: quite frankly, and was more straight down the middle. And

557
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: so it's not until like the last handful of years

558
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: that I felt comfortable enough to you know, kind of

559
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: be more relaxed and have more fun. I guess, you know,

560
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: you never planned for those kinds of things because you

561
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: don't know when ever going to happen, and rarely do

562
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: they happen. But again, it was a bad game, and

563
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner and I were doing it on radio, and

564
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: sure enough, somebody ran on the field in a boring

565
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: early season Monday night game, and we just kind of

566
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: ran with it, and a lot of it was fueled

567
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: because Kurt was the whole time that we talked about

568
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: the guy and what he was doing on the field.

569
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: So that has kind of extended a little bit to

570
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: a couple of calls like that. It's you know, I

571
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: never want to get pegged as a guy that only

572
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: can do drunks and wild animals enter the playing field.

573
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: But but that hopefully just be kind of a part

574
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: of what I've done. And if people take it, and

575
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to offend anybody to show disrespect to

576
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: the game or the broadcast or my employers or anything

577
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: like that, I would doubt it's not my intent. But

578
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: some of these people, as you would attest, you know,

579
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: there's some goofy stuff you see happen during games. Most

580
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: of it happens in the stands, and sometimes it'll spill

581
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: out into the field. You see stuff that just like like, like,

582
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: what is this guy doing? Uh So anyway, but I

583
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: hope people do take it the right way and I

584
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: have that fun with it. But you know, sometimes you

585
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: can go a little too far too and I've since

586
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: the last time that's ever happened, which I think was

587
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: a super Bowl a couple of years ago. I've tried

588
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: to stay away from it and just and kind of

589
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: stick with the game.

590
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: Producer Jim O. Mahundro before you got on, was just

591
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: playing me the call from the Super Bowl and I

592
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 1: was dying laughing. I mean, it's so good. And then

593
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: also how you work the sponsors sometimes into it. And

594
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the other night, but I guess it's

595
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: a new Westwood sponsor, Honeylicious, and somehow you worked Honeylicious.

596
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: And do it call it's vix. It's like vix vapor

597
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: rub and they're trying to describe it, and they and

598
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: the copy. You know, I look at the copy before,

599
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: like you do before games. Things you got to read

600
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: and in game promos is what they're and you're promoting

601
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: a game or out show or whatever, and we were promoting.

602
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: I was reading this is actually a commercial, but I

603
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: perhaps not you know, looked at the words closely enough.

604
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: So when I read it live on the air, I go, Honey,

605
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: I said, I hope. I first of all, hope I'm

606
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: saying it the right way. I should have. I should

607
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: have looked closer at the copy. And then it came

608
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: out and it just sounded weird and funny, and Kurt

609
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: again giggled when I said it, and so then we

610
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: kind of got into a thing about that. I guess

611
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: we kind of look at it like like people are

612
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: eavesdropping on a conversation that Kurt and I might be

613
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: having on Monday night. And he's got a great sense

614
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: of humor and is really fun loving, And again, we

615
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: don't want to disrespect the game, but there are moments

616
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: of levity and sometimes it comes out of the commercial

617
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: copy that you've got to read on the broadcast, and

618
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: that was one of those one of those instances that

619
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: happened on Thursday night from the season opener.

620
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: All right, a couple more cavib'll get you out here,

621
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: because I think I've kept you longer than I told

622
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: you I would, but a lot to talk to you about.

623
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you because now CBS their CBS

624
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: has more NFC games and Fox has more AFC games.

625
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: Do you know yet if you'll have any cardinal games?

626
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: How far out you know your schedule right now?

627
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: No, we don't have any cardinal games, not Monday, nor

628
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: and we only find out kind of like you with ESPN,

629
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: you know, your cardinal schedule, clearly, but we're in a

630
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: world that we we don't really know our games nationally,

631
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: and like sometimes a week out, sometimes thirteen days out,

632
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: and we don't know yet when our next Cardinal game

633
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: will be. Listen, we've done Super Bowls in that beautiful building.

634
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, to me, was one of the more fascinating

635
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: players to come into the NFL. I'm sorry he got injured,

636
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry he's still shelved, but I'd like to

637
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: think that they've got a plan for that team. I

638
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: know they had a tough one against the Commanders this

639
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: past weekend. I always love going down. I know we

640
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: got a lot of Suns games. I'm hopefully get a

641
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: lot of Cardinal games as well down the stretch.

642
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: Last one and this is you know, I'm purposely bringing

643
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: this up because I think a lot of people maybe

644
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: don't understand that when you go and call a game,

645
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: that it's not just you know, you and Kurt or

646
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: you and Trent Green. There's a truck, there is a producer,

647
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: there's a director, there's a statistician, a spot are. There's

648
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: so many people, whether it's radio or television that go

649
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: into making a broadcast successful, and these people that are

650
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: behind the scenes often don't get mentioned. But I was

651
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: so touched last year watching the NCAA tournament by how

652
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: you and Jim Nantz and others talked glowingly about the

653
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: late Pat McGrath, who was your statistician for a long

654
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: time and was my statistician on NBA for you know,

655
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: almost two decades. And unfortunately, actually the day that we

656
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: were supposed to do a game together in San Francisco

657
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: passed away, and you know it was really I remember

658
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: calling you and sharing the information because I just I

659
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: didn't want because he was supposed to work the nca

660
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: tournament that week. This was a Monday. He passes away,

661
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: and and we're trying to figure out, well, how do

662
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: we let see you know, we want a CBS to

663
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: know about it, but we want to be respectful so

664
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: that it doesn't get out publicly yet. But CBS has

665
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: to know so they're not wondering where's Pat when he's

666
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be there to to do the NCAA tournament

667
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: with With Jim anything, you can share any fond memory

668
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: that you have of working with Pat, and you know

669
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: how much he and others behind the scenes have meant

670
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: to you and helped you.

671
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: Well, we have those kind of people. You and I

672
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: work with those people all the time. They're people that

673
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: are watching or listening. They don't know them, but for

674
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: you and I, these are indispensable coworkers who are right there.

675
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: And we always say before every broadcast, we're all only

676
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: as strong as our weakest link. You know, you want

677
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 2: to make everybody in the truck, everybody upstairs, your engineers,

678
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: all these people radio or TV feel like you know,

679
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: their fingerprints are on the broadcast and as you know it.

680
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: Pat who had been in this business, you know, since

681
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: the seventies keeping statistics. I mean he was a legend

682
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: in the business as a statistician and his whole life

683
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: was based on statistics and numbers and traveling and working.

684
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: You work with Jack Buckenhanks Straham on Monday night back

685
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: in the day. He worked with you and I to

686
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: the time that he worked his final games. So he

687
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: was into this, into this business like nobody's business. And

688
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: he was a character as most of these people are.

689
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: It's a very nomadic lifestyle like Pat would do. At

690
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: the height of his career, he was doing a Saturday

691
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: game I think for brad Nessler on CBS. Then he

692
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: would drive all night to make a flight to join

693
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: us on Sunday at CBS. Then he would travel with me,

694
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: probably on his beloved American airlines. That's what he loved

695
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: to play to the Monday night game. And then he

696
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: would have like a Tuesday NBA with me, and then

697
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: a Wednesday or Friday with you, and then he'd start

698
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: all over again. Like the guy was a maniac. He

699
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: was doing like five or six games, you know, a week,

700
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: and he did countless Super Bowls, countless Final fours, worked

701
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: every one of them with Jim Nantz, worked with with

702
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: about every broadcaster you can think of. He somehow Someway

703
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: had worked with them and had devised his own format

704
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: of keeping statistics and whenevery once in a while, and

705
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: you know this better than anybody, he'd hand you a

706
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: note about some you know something, Oh, how do you

707
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: even think about this? But he spends his summers doing

708
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: all this work about you know, the teams knows all

709
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: these things. He called it sweat equity when there's no

710
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: season going on, and that's where he would kind of

711
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: delve into the numbers and make him mean something. And

712
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: he was great. His mom was a Pan American reservationist,

713
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: so as a young kid, Pad had a lifetime pass

714
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: on pan AM, which then evolved into both Delda and

715
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: United as they broke up that that airline. But he

716
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: had a love of flying from and he took advantage

717
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: of it and flew all over the place. And I

718
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: think he ended with American airlines like over ten million miles.

719
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: So sometimes he would help us with with flights, as

720
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure he did with you. But you knew that.

721
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: So like we would have fun with the audistillas one

722
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: short story, have fun with them in the booth. And

723
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: I was working with Richd Cannon because rich was at

724
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: a kind of a devilish side to him too, And

725
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: I'd say, rich let's pretend like you can't get a

726
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: flight home tonight. Don't see what Pat does. So and

727
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: he always carried the OAG, which was a thick book

728
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: that they published once a month with every flight of

729
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: every airline in all you know, four corners of the world,

730
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: and and you know, to be a quiet moment before

731
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: the game, and I'd slammed my fist on the desk,

732
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: a dog on it. I cannot believe you can't fly

733
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: home tonight on uh to Minneapolis to get home. I

734
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: can't believe you can't find a flight. And then out

735
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: of the corner of my eye'd look over at Pat

736
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: and he'd quickly fling open his briefcase and started summoning

737
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: through that oag goes when it was you can there's

738
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: a flight on Delta, there's a flight on Northwest, there's

739
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: a flight on DETA. You know, we just we'd laugh

740
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: and laugh and laugh. And McGrath knew he'd been caught again. Uh,

741
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: but he knew it. He was like a walking oag.

742
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: They say that, but he was and uh. And he

743
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: was a unique guy and always uh you know, he

744
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: never married. He loved his family, his brother had kids

745
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: and and he really became kind of a father to

746
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: his nieces young kids. He kind of served as as

747
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: the grandfatherly type for them. Loved his mom, who passed

748
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: away unfortunately a couple of years ago in her nineties.

749
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: But his mom was his whole life, and he was

750
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: he was a special guy. You and I will never

751
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: work with anyone like him again. And thank goodness because

752
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: the Good Lord made only one Pat McGraths and and

753
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: from Jim nance to you and Luckily to me and

754
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: and countless others in this business, they've had a chance

755
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: to work with him, and I know we all feel

756
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: better for it.

757
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. Before Apps, before all the airline apps,

758
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: there was Pat. He knew, he knew everything. Speaking of airlines,

759
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: I know you got a few days at home before

760
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: you're heading out. You got Buffalo Sunday, and then which

761
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Monday I gave you doing because I know there's two.

762
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just going to broadcast one on Westwood One.

763
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: So they picked I think we're doing the Cleveland. I

764
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: know we're doing Cleveland Pittsburgh. They they've got the choice.

765
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: I think there's another week coming up where they have

766
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 2: a choice of games, and so they put us on

767
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: the game that they feel as the most national because

768
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: it's a national broadcast, national appeal. And so the Steelers

769
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: and Browns will be this Monday, and we'll work our

770
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: way through. I know you and I have got some

771
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: preseason games and mid October we're going to do and

772
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: then the season opens up. That that October twenty fourth

773
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: for us, and I think the twenty sixth for you guys,

774
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: or twenty fifth and maybe twenty ninth for you guys.

775
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: So we we've got NBA coupled with with everything else.

776
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: I admire you from AFAR because it's these are schedules

777
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: that are not easy, and you're thinking a lot, and

778
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: people don't know what you did this past weekend to

779
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 2: go from New Orleans through Newark to get to Washington

780
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: on a car in a late flight, and so I

781
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: admire everything. I keep tracking you every week, by the way,

782
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: I always I always look where are you on Saturday?

783
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: And then where the Cardinals are on Sunday and think,

784
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: how in the world is you know? They're only a

785
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: couple of guys that do it. Jean Deckerhoff did it

786
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: with Tampa Bay. He no longer does Florida State. He

787
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: just does the Buccaneers, the cup. Bill Hillgrove did the

788
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: pitt Panthers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Not many people combine

789
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: the college with the pro but you're one of the

790
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: last ones that do it. And I'm just amazed every

791
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: time Bob was Shoes and I know does it with

792
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: the Jets. You guys are a special breed man that's tough,

793
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: and they put you in some far flung areas and

794
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: their travel is not easy. So I but I'm always

795
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: curious to where you are and follow you every weekend,

796
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: and love your work is always I always sit in

797
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: my hotel room on Saturday afternoon and watch your college games.

798
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: I you know, I think people can tell by our conversation.

799
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: I have as much respect for you as anybody in

800
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: the business, and love your call, and and it amazes

801
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: me how you can get so many college kids in

802
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: and they all play right, invariably, they all play, and

803
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: then you go back and then you do the Cardinal

804
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: game flawlessly on Sunday afternoons. It is a gift and

805
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: I am always in awe of how you pull that off.

806
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: It's amazing, just absolutely amazing.

807
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: Likewise, again, you doing three football games in five days

808
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: and doing the Sunday Monday every week and continuing to

809
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: do it with the energy you do. And then like

810
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned basketball starting soon. That's you know, your passion

811
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: and energy to me is among other things, I mean,

812
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: the way you describe it, your radio calls are so descriptive,

813
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: your storytelling, how you have fun. I mean, it's all

814
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: just You're a great mentor to meet. keV. I appreciate

815
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: our friendship and I do appreciate you spending forty minutes

816
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: with us on the pod, my honor.

817
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: I love you as a friend, Dave, and love you

818
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: as a broadcaster, and know the kind of family man

819
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: you are and the kind of husband you are, kind

820
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: of son you are, and my life has been made

821
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: much better by us being together. And I hope, I

822
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: hope for the next how many years we're in the

823
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: business at the same time, and you're a little bit

824
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: younger than I am, but that we continue to cross

825
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: paths and have more meals. We began talking about food,

826
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: we'll end talking about food and meals. And while we

827
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: enjoy the games, it's the friends we make along the

828
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: way that really make it a rich experience and a

829
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: blessed experience. But thanks for having me on. Always great

830
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: to hear your voice, and I'll be watching this Saturday,

831
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: and I'll try to catch your highlights on Sunday and

832
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: look forward to the next time we do. Indeed, cross

833
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: paths in person, and it's always fun to give you

834
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 2: a hug and say hello and talk about our business

835
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: and our families. We enjoy that so much.

836
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: The Great Doug Collins, a longtime announcer, former Bulls and

837
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: Wizards coach who worked with you, and then when he

838
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: came to ESPN and worked with me, said, every play

839
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: by play guy that he's ever worked with is always famished,

840
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: and I think you and I can attest to that. Thanks,

841
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: Brother green right.

842
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: Always talked about Breening. Mike was the same, Mic has

843
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: always wanted to eat and so I bet if it's me,

844
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: you and him, how lucky am I to be included

845
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: with two guys like you and Doug was for both

846
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: of us a mentor and a friend, and a lives

847
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: in the valley right, he's right there, and then beautiful

848
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: Scottsdale so's He's always in our thoughts, even though he's

849
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: retired now and watching from afar. We love Doug and Dave.

850
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: Good luck this weekend. I'll be watching, I'll be listening,

851
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: and how fun to be I'm with you on your podcast.

852
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the invitation.

853
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: Obviously, the story about being on hand for the Aaron

854
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Rodgers injury is timely, but I got a kick out

855
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: of the Kurt Warner stuff too, Kurt grabbing cold hot

856
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: dogs and hamburgers, cleaning out the press box so he

857
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: can have a postgame meal while he studies film for

858
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: his next assignment I thought was great, and then just

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Speaker 1: thinking about all of the moments that Kevin has witnessed,

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Speaker 1: longtime executive, his brother who was with the Bears for

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Speaker 1: a long time, and I just love the fact that

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Speaker 1: Kevin has fun. He doesn't take himself too seriously, the

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Speaker 1: way he handles the sponsor reads during the broadcast, working

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Speaker 1: in honey licious into a broadcast. He's one of the

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Speaker 1: best and probably one of the most underrated announcers in

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Speaker 1: our business. Even though he's multiple Broadcaster of the Year nationally,

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Speaker 1: still does such a great job, such a high level,

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Speaker 1: always as energy and passion, and I know some one

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Speaker 1: that the fans really appreciate. We are presented by BETTMGM,

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Speaker 1: the official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at pash pod, and we also ask you

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Speaker 1: to rate us and review us. You can do that

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Speaker 1: on your favorite podcast platform. Tell us what you think

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Speaker 1: of the show and if there are any guests you'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear from. In the future, our thanks to

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Speaker 1: Kevin Harlan, and our thanks to you for listening to

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Speaker 1: this edition of the Dave Pash pok Yes