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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Sam Soholt to talk turkey

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Speaker 2: hunting tactics, strategies and ideas or wherever you might be

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Speaker 2: this coming season. All right, welcome back to the Wired

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Speaker 2: their Camel for Conservation Initiative. And we are taking a

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Speaker 2: quick break today from our Conservation Month series to talk

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Speaker 2: turkeys because it is Turkey Week here at Meat Eater.

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Speaker 2: We've got all sorts of great new turkey hunting content

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Speaker 2: in education and entertainment and everything in between. So that said,

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Speaker 2: our contribution to that here today on Wired to Hunt

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Speaker 2: is one hell of a good turkey hunting conversation with

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Speaker 2: a good friend, the one and only Sam Soholt. He

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Speaker 2: is a incredible photographer and content creator. He is one

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Speaker 2: of the co owners of public Land Tees who create

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Speaker 2: all sorts of really great apparel and do things for

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Speaker 2: many great causes. Sam you know as well in the

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Speaker 2: for the public Land van and all sorts of public

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Speaker 2: land causes that he's worked towards the numerous projects in

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Speaker 2: that vein, but relevant to today's conversation, he is a

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Speaker 2: great turkey hunter. He has been all over the place

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Speaker 2: and he's the co host of the Roost podcast, which

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Speaker 2: is a project that him and my pal Bent O'Brien

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Speaker 2: have have been doing for a number of years now.

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Speaker 2: Roost is a one turkey hunting focused podcast. They do

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Speaker 2: a great job with it and there's a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of information whether it is about turkey conservation, turkey cooking, hunting,

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Speaker 2: it all. And so today what my hope is just

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Speaker 2: to do a very fast, kind of quick and dirty

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Speaker 2: run through of Sam's turkey hunting tactics, his approach, his techniques,

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Speaker 2: how he does things differently based on the different places

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Speaker 2: he goes. One thing, you're in a hear bump? Is it?

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Speaker 2: Sam travel a lot turkey hunt Him and Ben and

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Speaker 2: some buddies do a number of you know, every year.

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Speaker 2: Now it seems like for quite a while he's been

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Speaker 2: going on these turkey tours hunting, you know, from the

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Speaker 2: Wired Hunt audience a little bit of a turkey hunting

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Speaker 2: primer to get you ready for this wonderful time of year.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not the rut, it's not deer hunting season,

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Speaker 2: but it's a close second. So, without any further ado,

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Speaker 2: let's chat turkeys with mister sam so Hold. All right,

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Speaker 2: joining me now is the one and only Sam so Hold.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show Man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Fired Up I got. I gotta tell you what I'm disappointed.

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Speaker 2: You started out our conversation on video wearing your full

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Speaker 2: I should have in retrospect, I shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: If you want full commitment for the rest of the podcast,

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Speaker 3: I'll throw the face mask on. You know, I also

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Speaker 3: have my chest drig my f HF Chess drig and

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Speaker 3: the new tree line Turkey.

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Speaker 2: Vest On Man. Your set, you you should throw your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me let me put it on. I'll do

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Speaker 2: In your set. You are well concealed. If a turkey

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is officially kicked off. This last weekend, we

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's so many things about turkey hunting that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So a lot of times when you're calling, like

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Speaker 3: like if you're within bubble, and if they gobble once, okay, great.

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Speaker 3: The cutoff, like that is a definite answer last spring,

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Speaker 2: Now, what about this scenario. I've seen a situation play

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, for sure. So typically in that situation, what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so few animals that can make a sound,

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Speaker 2: Like this this risk of overcalling, which is a real

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Speaker 3: I'd definitely start conservatively, you know, so I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: heard me? Or will you honestly just do like a

432
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: couple of softy alps, and whether you hear anything or not,

433
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 2: you're done right.

434
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 3: Not necessary, I don't necessarily need to hear them gobble back.

435
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 3: But most of the time, like if you're within your

436
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 3: shot of them, like even if you don't get like

437
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: the the main tom to gobble back, you'll get a

438
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 3: hen that like fire like you know, sends off a

439
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 3: couple of notes. Either she's mad at you, you know,

440
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: for being there, or you'll get one of the you know,

441
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: more submissive like Tom's like that's in the background of

442
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 3: another tree. To just be like, oh, I'm here. You know,

443
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 3: they may fire up, but no, I don't necessarily need

444
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: an answer back. I just like to let them know

445
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 3: that I'm there.

446
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that's three tree talk. We've talked hung up,

447
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: We've talked you know, striking one up when you're searching.

448
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: Are there any other go to moves you've got that

449
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 2: you feel like you kind of fall back on over

450
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: and over again throughout a hunt.

451
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the most successful I've been on stuff

452
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,239
Speaker 3: is if there are hens is mimicking a hen. So

453
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 3: if you can get like if it's great if the

454
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,239
Speaker 3: tom is gobling back at you, but if you get

455
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,959
Speaker 3: a hen fired up, and you can just you know,

456
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: Simon said, just copy her, and so if she's just

457
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 3: you just do the exact same thing back. Oh it

458
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: makes them mad. And most of the time, you know,

459
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 3: if you can get a hen fired up, she'll come

460
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: in and a lot of times if she has a

461
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 3: gobbler with her, they'll just like, you know, dumbly strut

462
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: in behind her, you know, just trying to figure it out,

463
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 3: just back there spitting and drumming, and then you can

464
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: get a shot.

465
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: It's amazing how well that works.

466
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: Oh so good.

467
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: That's that's the single Like, that is the moment that

468
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: makes me more confident than almost any other when I

469
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 2: sense that, like there's a hen that wants to talk,

470
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: Like there's got to be The picture perfect scenario for

471
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: me would be a situation where I can hear gobblers

472
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: that have been responding to me and getting excited. It

473
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: sounds like they're kind of on the way. But then

474
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: you hear hen start piping in and coming closer and closer.

475
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 2: And then when she starts getting pissed and cutting me off,

476
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: when I'm yelping at her and mimicking her, when that

477
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: whole thing is like coming together. You just know like,

478
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: oh geez, like this is this.

479
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 3: Is Tom's are gobbling at her and you and yeah,

480
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, yeah it's awesome.

481
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: So good. Okay, So back to the hung up gobbler

482
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: thing you mentioned earlier. How you know, in some situations

483
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: you'll just determine, well, this isn't the bird and you'll

484
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: bail out completely yeap. Other times you'll you'll do that

485
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: calling sequence you describe. Do you have any other hung

486
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: up Tom tricks?

487
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd mentioned it real briefly earlier, but one of

488
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 3: my favorites is, so let's say you're calling and you

489
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: got you got a tome that comes into eighty ninety

490
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: one hundred yards, hangs up, I just shut up. And

491
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 3: a lot of times they will kind of drift off

492
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: and you got to give him, give him some time.

493
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: But most of the time, like if you pop on

494
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: your map or whatever, you can figure out like exactly

495
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 3: you know where they are, Like you know the I

496
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: use the compass mode on X a lot, So I'll

497
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: open that, I'll point it at that bird that's gobbling,

498
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 3: and I can look at the map and go, oh,

499
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: he's literally like there's a little ravine between me and him.

500
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: He is standing on a bench on this little finger,

501
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: and he's like, that's strut zone, Like that's where he

502
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: calls hens in from. And so you give it some time,

503
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: let him drift off, and then you got a sneak

504
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: you know, to where he has been gobbling from and

505
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 3: then call from there, and a lot of times he's like, oh,

506
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: like the hen finally showed up, you know, and then

507
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 3: he'll come back in. So that's for hung up birds.

508
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite things to do.

509
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: I like that. Can you describe or is this something

510
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: that you can typically do You just describe like looking

511
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: at a map and then being able to clearly identify like,

512
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's the kind of place a turkey is

513
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: going to be striking, like a striking zone. Can you

514
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: describe any other spots you've noticed in the past that

515
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: have stood out to you as like, oh, yeah, this

516
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: is a turkey feature. This is I mean, like there's

517
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 2: the like obviously they like open spots right as places

518
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: they can go. But have there been any other little

519
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 2: things or specific kinds of areas that stand out to

520
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,239
Speaker 2: you when you look at a map or when you're

521
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: out there on the landscape. And you're like, okay, yeah,

522
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: this is going to be one of those spots. Yeah.

523
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: So the junction of like drainages, whether it's a creak

524
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: or just like low, you know, just a drainage. So

525
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: let's say you have like a you know, a main

526
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: drainage that runs up and splits up into it, and

527
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: so you have these fingers that kind of run up

528
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: out of where like those drainages all come together. A

529
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: lot of times on the map, you can see these

530
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 3: little benches on those fingers, and turkeys love to hang

531
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 3: out on those, so they'll roost in you know, the

532
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: biggest trees kind of at the top of that, you know,

533
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: two thirds up that drainage. A lot of the time

534
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: in a big whether it's a cottonwood or a huge

535
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: oak tree or whatever, a lot of times they're going

536
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: to roost somewhere where they can pitch off the top

537
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: of a ridge and not have to aggressively fly up.

538
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: They can kind of fly out to the roost and

539
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: then they'll pitch down and then they'll work up on

540
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 3: top of those little open spots or whatever. But those

541
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: little benches that are like it might be a little bit,

542
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: it might be a spot where it's like a little

543
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 3: bit more open hardwoods. Those spots are just money like

544
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: little rounded like kind of nobby like little knolls on

545
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 3: those benches and stuff. A lot of times if it's

546
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: let's say it's oak trees or whatever, you can go

547
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 3: in there and like the whole thing is scratched up,

548
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 3: and it's just places where turkeys like to hang out

549
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: because they're protected from you know, visibility, and but they

550
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: still have enough site through that open hardwoods where they

551
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: just it's a spot where they love to just hang

552
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: out and pick bugs and scratch leaves and do all

553
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: the stuff that turkeys do. And the toms will stand

554
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: there because it gives them a good place to cast

555
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: gobbles down into those drainages and call hands up to

556
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: them and then go off and breed. And then he

557
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: can go back to that strut zone. And yeah, spend

558
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: time just strutting out there showing off.

559
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: Makes a lot of sense. It's so it's funny when

560
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: if you spend enough time out there in the woods,

561
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: and this is true in the white tail world too, definitely,

562
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: you spend enough time out there, you see these things

563
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: over and over again. You start making these kind of

564
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: connections intuitively, Like I'm guessing, when you're walking around the woods,

565
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: you don't have to sit and think hard about what

566
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: you just described. You just see it and it's like, oh, yeah,

567
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: that's the kind of spot that I've seen this happen

568
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and you're able to

569
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: interpret both the sign or the topography or bird behavior.

570
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: And kind of along those lines, going back to something

571
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: you talked about earlier about kind of being able to

572
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: like decipher a bird's mood. That seems like such such

573
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,239
Speaker 2: an important thing and a lot of decisions we make

574
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: as turkey hunters. And I heard you and Ben talking

575
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: on your podcast at one point kind of about you

576
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: talked about hunting the bird like picking the bird rather

577
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: than like the spot. And I can't remember if it

578
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: was you or Ben who said this, but one of

579
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: you mentioned something that when you're when you're listening to

580
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: a bird and trying to determine if this is like

581
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: the bird you're gonna hunt, you're listening for both positioning

582
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: and intent. Yeah, and and I guess I just would

583
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: would love to hear a little bit more from your

584
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: perspective on on what you or him meant by that.

585
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: I think I think I get it, but I would

586
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: love to kind of explore that a little bit more

587
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: So when you're trying to strike up a bird and

588
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: you're trying to figure out what you're gonna do with him,

589
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: what does it mean to be thinking about positioning and

590
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: intent and then how that influences your actions.

591
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you strike up a bird, you know,

592
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: you're trying to figure out, Okay, got it. I finally

593
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: got a bird to talk like where is he? Like

594
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: what is he up to right now? And is he

595
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: above me, below me, you know, on the same level,

596
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: because constantly we're trying to get above the bird or

597
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 3: at the very least on the same level. So for positioning,

598
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, he just fired up. He was in

599
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: that bottom. Like we're in a good spot right now.

600
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: We can like maybe shift to the end of this

601
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: little finger ridge or whatever it might whatever kind of

602
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: you know, topography we're hunting in, but we can shift

603
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: to this edge and maybe you know, get him to

604
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: come in. If we're below the bird, well then it's

605
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: a way different conversation because you got to it's like, okay,

606
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: that bird. It's really hard to call turkeys downhill because

607
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: their eyesight is so good, and so it's like, okay,

608
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: how do we get how do we get on his level?

609
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: How do we get above him to call him up

610
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: to us? And then it's like scramble looking at the map,

611
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: trying to figure out like, okay, I think he gobbled

612
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: from right here last. Okay, if we take this little

613
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: like micro drainage like up the back of this thing

614
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: and basically sprint, we can you know, get up and

615
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: around him and you know, try to get into a

616
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: position where we're like, okay, we've got you know, it

617
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: looks like we can follow these trees here and get

618
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: up where we'll be eighty ninety yards above him, you know,

619
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: or away from him, but above him, and then we

620
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: can try to call from there. And then if that

621
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: doesn't work, but he's still talking, okay, so it's like,

622
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: go back to the map, figure out. Okay, it seems

623
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: like he's drifting kind of down this, you know, like

624
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: he's working a trail or whatever, like down along the

625
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: ridge line. It's like, all right, let's bail off and

626
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: try to get out and cut him off and get out,

627
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: you know, back up and call again. So for positioning,

628
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: we are just constantly trying to get above the turkeys

629
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: makes life a lot easier. I can't I can't tell

630
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: how many times i've you know, you get a bird

631
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: of fire up and you can't move, and then you

632
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: sit down and they stand up there out of you

633
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: and just oh. And then you know, you call oh,

634
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: and then they do that for fifteen minutes and they

635
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: call back, and then they walk away because they're they

636
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, they're like, well, I should see you by now.

637
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: And then intent is just that same thing. It's just

638
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: trying and this takes just lots of gobbles. It's like

639
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: hearing lots of gobbles. It just sounds different. It's like

640
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: you can sense, you can sense the excitement like in

641
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: it somehow.

642
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: So kind of going back to what we were talking

643
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: about the Yeah, yeah.

644
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: It's just like you can almost tell like they're alone

645
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: kind of thing, like like if they're with a group

646
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: of hens or whatever, it's like it's like a half

647
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: hearted you know, like they'll gobble, but it's not like,

648
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, ah, their toes kind of thing.

649
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. You mentioned the topography impact there on whether or

650
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: not you're gonna, you know, try to set up on

651
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: a gobbler. What are some other habitat features or terrain

652
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: features that influence, you know, either where you want to

653
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: set up or whether or not you want to approach

654
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: a turkey from this angle or this you know angle,

655
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: whatever it is. What are some of those other habitat

656
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: features that you're thinking.

657
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: About so constantly thinking about barriers, so whether that's a creek,

658
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: a brush line, a fence, anything that will hinder a

659
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: like shrutters when they're strutting and they're working their way

660
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: and they do not like to cross like thick stuff,

661
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: and they don't like to cross creeks very often. You

662
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: can every once in a while, you know, have called

663
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: birds across a creek or whatever. But most of the time,

664
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: when you get a bird to strike up or you're

665
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: looking at the features, you want to be on the

666
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: same side of whatever that barrier is with them. You know,

667
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago we called in a Nick

668
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: Andrews and Mike come on. They called the bird underneath

669
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: the barbed wire fence, and it was like god, like,

670
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: that just doesn't happen. Most of the time you get

671
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: a bird start strutting, they're on the other side of

672
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: the fence and they just struck back and forth. On

673
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 3: the other side of that fence. It's like they you know,

674
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: lose their mind. They can't figure out how to cross anything.

675
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: So that's definitely something that we're looking at, is like, Okay,

676
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: we know they like say, you know there's birds roosted

677
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: in there, and you're looking at the mat and be like, okay,

678
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: well if I can, I need to get to the

679
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: other side of that fence in that pasture to try

680
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: to hunt those birds, because it's going to be really

681
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: hard when they pitch down or if they're moving across,

682
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: it's going to be really hard to call them across

683
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: one of those barriers.

684
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of like rooster and birds, one of the

685
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: things that I have debated frequently with buddies and something

686
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about a lot, and I've kind of settled

687
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: on what I prefer is, you know, the decision of

688
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: how to start your morning. Some people really love to

689
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: like roost a bird or I guess let's say, let's

690
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: take a step back, and some people will make assumptions

691
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: about where birds are roosted and say, all right, we're

692
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: going to go into that spot and set up close

693
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: to this place and hope that they're roosted there. The

694
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: way we think that they should be and kind of

695
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: go on all in on a spot or a scroup

696
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: of birds and other folks or myself. In many cases,

697
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: if I can't like guaranteed rooster bird the night before,

698
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: I prefer oftentimes to just go to like a good

699
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: listening spot and wait until I can really confirm Okay,

700
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: now I know where some are. And then you know,

701
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't have a great first thing off the roost

702
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: set up, because by the time I hear them and

703
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: them able to move over there, you know, it's it's

704
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: getting light enough that I can't safely get close close,

705
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: but I know, like, okay, there's birds here. I can

706
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: get in the right place, general direction of where I

707
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: think they're going to go, and then play them off

708
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: that that tends to be the way I go more

709
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: often than not. But you what are your thoughts on

710
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 2: that and in the pros and cons of either approach.

711
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: When I first started turkey hunting, I was all about like, okay,

712
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: got birds roosted or I think I know what tree

713
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: they're in. I was trying to get as tight into

714
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: the roost as possible. But as time has gone on,

715
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: like I mean, it's more than fifty percent of the time,

716
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: where even if you get in tight on a tree,

717
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: they'll pitch down and walk the other way. And some

718
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: of the time it's just because that's the direction they

719
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: picked that day, and some of the time it's because,

720
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: you know, you call that them in the tree, or

721
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: call that them when they first hit the ground, and

722
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: the hens didn't like another hen being in there, and

723
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: they just drug drug those toms away. So I'm definitely

724
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: way more into like, get in there to a good

725
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: listening spot, you know, somewhere I can you know, be

726
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: up and above like, you know, we hunt a lot

727
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: out west, so I'm always thinking about like stuff that

728
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: we hunt out there. But it's like getting the spots

729
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: where like, Okay, I can listen to three drainages here

730
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: and be like, okay, there's a tom gobbling you know,

731
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: down drainage one and three, and we'll you know, make

732
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: a move on one of them and then be like,

733
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: well that didn't work. Then we look background, try to

734
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: make a you know, move on bird number three. So

735
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm definitely way more in that camp most of the time.

736
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: Most of the birds that I've killed in the last

737
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: call it five years have been between nine and noon,

738
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: and so like you know, right off the roost birds

739
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: it's maybe two three of them that where that's worked.

740
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 3: And so I'm definitely definitely way more in favor of

741
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: like not sleeping in I don't do that typically, but

742
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: getting up, like not feeling like I have to be

743
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: there at you know, three thirty in the morning to

744
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: be sitting under that roost tree.

745
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you have a different set of I don't know,

746
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: like like places you would go check or things that

747
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: you do based on the time of day. So you

748
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: mentioned like in the morning you like go to a

749
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: listening spot and do what you've described, and you talked

750
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 2: earlier about how you know, you like to move around

751
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: a lot more of a running gun approach find the

752
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: right bird. But does that look different at six am

753
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: versus ten am, versus two in the afternoon versus seven Definitely?

754
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean obviously, right away in the morning, you know,

755
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: you're hoping they're gobbling on the roost and you can

756
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: kind of like move in that general direction and kind

757
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: of and then figure out, you know, if they're still

758
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: talking when they hit the ground, you can make a

759
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: play on that later in the morning. Typically, you know

760
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: it's walking ridge lines, you know, and just working through country,

761
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: or it might be you know, if there's a big

762
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: road system on a national forest or whatever. You know,

763
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: it's driving covering ground. You know, get to spots where

764
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 3: when you cast your call it's going to be heard

765
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: by lots of different you know, possible birds, and then

766
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 3: see if you can get one fired up that way.

767
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: You know, in the afternoon, a lot of time they're

768
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: just kind of especially if it's hot, you know, a

769
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 3: lot of times they're just in the shade, kind of

770
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: loafing around. They're gonna be a little bit more lethargic.

771
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard to get them to talk back.

772
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: So that afternoon I find is a great time for

773
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: a nap, and then going into the evening. Going into

774
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: the evening, I don't do a ton of evening hunts,

775
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: Like if the opportunity presents itself, like I'm definitely going

776
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: to go after bird if it's fired up, But most

777
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: of the time in the evenings I'm just thinking about

778
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: trying to find birds for the next morning. So it's

779
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: just trying to put eyes on stuff going to bed

780
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: or at least listen to.

781
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: Them going to bed.

782
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: Later in the evening.

783
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: So here's a risk reward scenario that I've felt myself

784
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: or encounter myself. You're doing just what you just describe.

785
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: You go out there in the evening, you want to

786
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: figure out where some birds are, and you get one

787
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: that's fired up. But you're down to the last I

788
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, maybe half hour, and you're thinking

789
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: anytime now they're going to be you know, heading up,

790
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: flying up into a tree. And then you're stuck with

791
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: this decision of Man, they're fired up. Do I try

792
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: to make a move on them, or do I risk

793
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: blowing them up and out of here and then it

794
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: ruins my morning where I might have a better chance.

795
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: How do you think through that one?

796
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: That depends on how far we are in the trip.

797
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: You know, for down to the last day or two,

798
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna try to put a conservative play on

799
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 3: that bird that's fired up. But most of the time

800
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm not willing to risk like blowing up a roost

801
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: and you know, bumping a bunch of birds that are

802
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: just about to go up, because like you said, man

803
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: it a lot of times it can just blow it

804
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: for the next morning and they're all you know, they

805
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: Sometimes it can work to your advantage if you've got

806
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: a bunch of birds that are scattered and they're trying

807
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: to like, you know, group back up the next day.

808
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: But more often than not, when I have you know,

809
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: done it the wrong way and blown a whole bunch

810
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: of birds out of the roofs and they fly every

811
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: which way the next day does not go great.

812
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you ever tried to do an ambush on

813
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: a roost location in the evening where like, man, you're

814
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: just like they're always roosting up in this corner. I'm

815
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: going to set up right beneath it and try to

816
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: catch them on the way back.

817
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: Yep, And that will work. But it's also the way

818
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: that I have ruined or blown up roosts more more

819
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: often than not, because like there's birds working back in

820
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: and you start hearing stuff whatever. Well then they all

821
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: start flying up too, like out of range. It's like,

822
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: oh boy, no, I gotta I gotta try to sneak

823
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: out of here. And that's hard sometimes if you don't

824
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: sit until like it's dark dark.

825
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a doozy. Yeah. What about what's your

826
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: how often you using decoys? How do you like to

827
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: use them. What's that? What's that look like?

828
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: I I don't mind using decoys at all. What I

829
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: don't like about decoys is carrying them around. So if

830
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: if we're hunting stuff where we're covering lots of ground,

831
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: almost never carry them. You know, if I'm hunting like

832
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: we you know, we use decoys in Texas. It was James,

833
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: you know, youth hunt. That was awesome, no problem carrying

834
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: decoys in We weren't walking all that far. You know,

835
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take my wife out and try to get

836
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: her bird. We'll definitely use decoys, you know, if I

837
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: once in a blue moon, I'll archery hunt absolutely using decoys.

838
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: But a lot of the time I'm not carrying them anymore.

839
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: It's not that I don't think it's sporting, and it's

840
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 3: not that I don't think it's you know, like it's

841
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: very effective. It has it's has nothing to do with

842
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: me being a purist turkey hunter and everything to do

843
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: with me like I'm already carrying camera gear and calls

844
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: and a shotgun and you know, all that stuff, and

845
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: I just it's like one more thing to jam into

846
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: the pack that's always awkward to carry, and half the

847
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: time that I've used decoys in the past, Like you know,

848
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: you get them set up and the bird fires up

849
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: behind you and then you're making a move and you're

850
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: calling the bird into something you know, not by your

851
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: decoys and killing, you know, killing a bird. I had

852
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: one morning, I think it was probably four or five

853
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: years ago. I went hiked in about a mile carried

854
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: decoys in because the birds were roosted on private outside

855
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: of the public and I was like, okay, if I

856
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: can get them get a visual, you know, get them

857
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: to see these decoys, maybe I can draw one across

858
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: and uh and get it killed. And they all gobbled

859
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: up on this roost. They pitched down, started working down

860
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: a field kind of down hill away from me, and

861
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 3: I made a big move, grabbed the decoys, ran down,

862
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: kind of got out in front of them, set the

863
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: decoys up, got set back down, and they were just

864
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: on the other side of burn so they never saw me,

865
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: and they're moving away. Well then I looked back to

866
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: where I had been sitting earlier in the morning and

867
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: there's just a giant tom right on top of the ridge, strutting.

868
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: So I sprinted back and I was able to get

869
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: like use the topography to stay out of you. And

870
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: I sprinted back and I got set up no decoys,

871
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, had the tripod with the little gilly suitover

872
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 3: or whatever, and got my gun up, and that a

873
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 3: couple hens crossed under the fence onto that little chunk,

874
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: and that Tom came following in, and I ended up

875
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: shooting him just in that way with no decoys, And

876
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 3: so I was like after that, I was like, I

877
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: just I don't know, unless I'm hunting like incredibly open

878
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: country or I'm definitely gonna be in a blind, I'm

879
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: probably not carrying around that much.

880
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is true or not, but

881
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: I feel like there's maybe a growing number of people

882
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: who are doing that and realizing that you don't have

883
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: have to have decoys yep to pull off a successful hunt.

884
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: Obviously they can be very very useful. But if you're

885
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: in a scenario like what you're describing, running a gun

886
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: in a bunch, not using decoys, does that change your

887
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: strategy with setups when you're choosing where to set up

888
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: and how you're setting up on a bird, Does the

889
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: fact that you're not bringing decoys change where you're actually

890
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: gonna plunk your butt down and try to get a

891
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: bird to come into and how.

892
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, because you're just trying to figure out

893
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of times when you're calling a

894
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: bird in and they're coming in, a lot of times

895
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: they're going to try to get the site advantage on you.

896
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 3: And so when you're setting up, you're like, we're trying

897
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: to get to places where we think like the bird

898
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: is gonna get to like or you know, be within

899
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: shooting range of like where that bird's going to try

900
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: to come find you and see you. And that's really

901
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: what we're looking for. Whereas you know, with decoys, you

902
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: can you can be a little bit more kind of

903
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: relaxed about it and you kind of set up and

904
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: as long as the decoys are very visible, you know,

905
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: let's say the bird pops up on the ridge one

906
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards down, well, then if they have

907
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: something to focus on, you can kind of call them

908
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: down that ridgeline to the decoys. But if you don't

909
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: have decoys, you definitely got to try to figure out

910
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: like I think he's gonna you know, Okay, I looked

911
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: at the map, this ridge connects with this ridge, and

912
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: he's kind of on that bench over there, like we

913
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: need to move seventy five yards, you know, down the

914
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: ridge to this tree, and so we think, you know,

915
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: he's gonna work up that to this kind of juncture point,

916
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: you know, crossroads and look at all that kind of

917
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: stuff and figure that out.

918
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: And would you say that in doing that, you're typically

919
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: avoiding open areas more often because of the risk of

920
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: being on the edge of an open place and they

921
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: pop up on the other edge of it and they

922
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: look around and they can't see the sound that they thought.

923
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: They can't see the maker of the sound, right, I mean,

924
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: that seems to be one of the major risks of

925
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: putting yourself in a position like that without a decoy.

926
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if it's a big open area. I mean,

927
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: if you're trying to call him to a field edge

928
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 3: or whatever, it's really hard if you don't have that visual.

929
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: A lot of times though, what we'll do is, you know,

930
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: if we have to kind of set up, like at

931
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: the edge of an opening, we'll have one person do

932
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: the elk hunting play and just keep dropping back and

933
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: calling and like like the hen is moving away and

934
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: kind of pull that bird past the shooter. Then we've

935
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: had good luck with that too.

936
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, does any of that look different or I guess

937
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: maybe even zooming out even further, what is different from

938
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: region to region, whether it's how you're setting up, or

939
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: how you're calling, or anything else you've you know, you

940
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: were just in Texas the other day. I'm sure you're

941
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: gonna be all over the West and maybe some of

942
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: the Midwest states again this year too. Is there any

943
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: major standouts to you that like, oh, yes, when I'm

944
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: in this region, X is different when I'm in that region?

945
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: Why is different? Yeah?

946
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: I think the biggest difference between hunting the West and

947
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: everything else is the size of the parcel you're hunting.

948
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: You know, just because there's so many acres that you

949
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: can cover most of time, where you know, you don't

950
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: have to be all that careful. You can kind of

951
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: just cover lots of ground, whereas if you're hunting you know,

952
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: the South and the East. A lot of times you're hunting,

953
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: you know, you might have a forty acre parcel hunt

954
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: or less, and and so you're going to be hunting

955
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: birds a lot different than I'm explaining, because if you're

956
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: trying to you know, if you've got call it two

957
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: tags for the season and you've only got access to

958
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: hunt that little chunk, but it has birds on it.

959
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: You're not just going to go all gung ho and

960
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: walk all through and try to strike up a bird.

961
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: You know, maybe push him off, because if you pressure

962
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: him so much right away, you know that bird's not

963
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: coming back. Yeah, And so I think you gotta It's

964
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a delicate situation when you

965
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: look at different regions, especially like the East, Southeast, the

966
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 3: South where you're hunting smaller parcels. It's just you gotta

967
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: kind of you start on the edges and slowly move

968
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: in kind of do that.

969
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: Is there anything from the turkey behavior standpoint that's been

970
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: really different?

971
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: You know, Western birds travel a lot more, you know

972
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: Miriam's birds, like we'll cover tons of ground most time.

973
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: They're not roosting in the same tree every night. You know,

974
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: I've watched birds, you know, like there was one morning

975
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: two years ago we watched a bird pitch down and

976
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: cover a mile like it was like a little over

977
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: a mile, and we blew it. We should have killed

978
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: that bird all day long, but we like we watched

979
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: him cover three quarters a mile towards our direction. We

980
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: thought he was gonna shift like through this little drainage,

981
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: and so we moved and then he gobbled from the

982
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: tree we were sitting at the start of the day.

983
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 3: But then he just kept going like he covered another

984
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: you know, half three quarters of a mile going away.

985
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: And so those those move lots of ground. You know,

986
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: A hunted Tennessee a few years back, and it seemed

987
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: like birds would pitch down and they kind of had

988
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: like their zones. You know, they might move around sprawl

989
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: or go to a field edge or whatever and you know,

990
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: eat and pick and whatever. But a lot of times

991
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: they weren't covering like vast distances. And I think most

992
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: of that has to do with they have everything they need,

993
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: you know, in one little location, so they don't have

994
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: to go. But it's also just the difference in subspecies.

995
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So speaking of differences, you hunted with our mutual

996
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: buddy Tony Peterson. Oh, yeahs back, and it seems like

997
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: he has like a very different approach than you do

998
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: to turkey hunting, right, he's very much Yeah, he sits

999
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: there and sits there all day. Yeah, twiddles his thumbs

1000
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: and does whatever else Tony does when he's in a

1001
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: room By himself. What what was that like being forced?

1002
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: U may not forced, but what was it like, uh

1003
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: kind of being around that different approach? And did you

1004
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: take anything away from that? Did you learn anything about

1005
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 2: how he goes about things that maybe you were able

1006
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: to add to your repertoire or was it mostly I

1007
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: never want to do what Tony does well.

1008
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: I think I like, I think that I used to

1009
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: turkey hunt that way a lot more and spend a

1010
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: lot of time in one location. I think I would

1011
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: lose my mind now like doing it that way, just

1012
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: because I think, like, I think it's more fun to

1013
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: cover lots of ground, But that's just my personality. And

1014
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: so luckily on that hunt, Tony was hunting with a

1015
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: camera guy and I was hunting with a camera guy.

1016
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: I'd like to say that we were more successful, but

1017
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: there was just very low population of birds in there,

1018
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: so neither of us killed anything.

1019
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: We were equally unsuccessful, probably the most.

1020
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: Boring turkey hunt for people to watch. So I apologize

1021
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: to people that had to watch that mediater episode on YouTube.

1022
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 3: But now I think, you know, I think there's things

1023
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 3: to be said about the way he does it because

1024
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: he's very successful. I mean hunting Minnesota, Wisconsin, Midwest states.

1025
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: He knows the patterns of the birds in the areas

1026
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: that he hunts, and he's like, Okay, if we set

1027
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: a blind here and have good decoys and you spend

1028
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 3: the amount of time birds will be by this area

1029
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: like we're gonna kill a turkey, and that's it can

1030
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: be very very successful doing it that way. I mean,

1031
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: especially if you find fresh sign. You know, if you

1032
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: find a little flat that has tons of scratching in

1033
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: it and you know, tracks and lots of poop and

1034
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: all that stuff that's fresh, it's like, okay, let's just

1035
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: post up here for a while, you know. And that's

1036
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: something like regardless of where you're hunting, that's something you

1037
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: could do for an afternoon and just you know, hey,

1038
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: if you need a spot to chill and you don't

1039
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: want to go take a nap, just like go out

1040
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: in the wood where you know there's fresh sign and

1041
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: you might have birds kind of work through that area.

1042
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I still like, you know, I like

1043
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 3: traveling around.

1044
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the cool things about turkey hunting,

1045
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: and in many parts of the country at least, is

1046
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: that there are enough birds and enough places to hunt

1047
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: them that you can kind of pick your own adventure. Oh,

1048
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: you can make it the kind of experience you want.

1049
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: There's no one set way you have to do it.

1050
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: And I guess that's true with most hunting, but maybe

1051
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: for some reason with turkeys, it feels like even more

1052
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: so I think it just a little more forgiving maybe

1053
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: in some ways.

1054
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's the accessibility, right, It's like you're, you know,

1055
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: most of the time, the tags, even if you're a

1056
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: non residents, around one hundred dollars for a tag, and

1057
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: so I think there's a it feels like there's like

1058
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: less pressure and the pressure, you know, it's instead of

1059
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: spending seven hundred dollars on a deer tag where you're

1060
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 3: you know, it's like I'm gonna hunt them this way

1061
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: because I know I can kill them this way. Or

1062
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: it's like turkeys, it's like that's you know, I've got

1063
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 3: a tag and I'm going to the state. I'm gonna

1064
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: go figure it out.

1065
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I also love the social dynamic that

1066
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: turkey hunting allows that just seems so different than a

1067
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: deer hunt. Especially elk Elk has this, I guess in

1068
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: some ways, but I feel like you know, you can

1069
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: go out on a turkey hunt with a group with

1070
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: like three of you or a couple of you and

1071
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: have success and you work together as a team, and

1072
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: and uh, you know you can just again someone that

1073
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 2: goes back to the pressure too, like you just feel

1074
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: less pressure for some reason. But man, it is maybe

1075
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: some of the very most maybe the most fun I

1076
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: have hunting all year. Yeah, just out there with some friends,

1077
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: goofing around trying stuff.

1078
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: It would Yeah. And my favorite is, uh, you know,

1079
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: two or three people, because you can do like the

1080
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: compass play where it's like, okay, you have you know, say,

1081
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: let's say it's three people. If one person is trying

1082
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 3: to film, so like the trigger guy and the camera

1083
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 3: guy will be in the middle of the compass, the

1084
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: turkey is always going to be north and then whoever's calling,

1085
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: if you can move, you can kind of like spin

1086
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: that compass around, like as that bird is shifting, and

1087
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: so if the bird is moving to the right, you know,

1088
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: you move to the left to keep that you know,

1089
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: the the hunter or the guy on the trigger in

1090
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: the middle of that compass and to try to pull

1091
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: that bird pass like that's and like you said, the

1092
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: social aspect of it is a blast, you know, leaving

1093
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: at three in the morning to go, you know, run

1094
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: to the gas station and get bad coffee and oatmeal

1095
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 3: cream pies and then you know, go to the woods

1096
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: and listen to you know, listen to a twenty five

1097
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: pound dinosaur gobble at. You know, every sound that is

1098
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: being made in best It's amazing, It's the absolute best.

1099
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: So so this is this is a quick and fast

1100
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: kind of run through some ideas that is not in

1101
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: any way representative of the million different ways you can

1102
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 2: go about this and the and the many other tactics

1103
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: and ideas and approaches. The wire Humet podcast isn't the

1104
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: place to get all those things. We're just giving you

1105
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: a little taste of turkey. But there is a place

1106
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: for a lot of turkey, no how, which is your podcast?

1107
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: You and Ben? Can you give folks the rundown of

1108
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: what the roost is all about? So if people are

1109
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: fired up about turkeys right now and really want to

1110
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: go deep and keep this thing going, where can they go?

1111
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: How do they connect with your guys content?

1112
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we start had Roused four years ago now,

1113
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: so this is season four that we've got going, and

1114
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: season one was really fun because we did nine episodes,

1115
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: but across like we wanted to do like turkey hunting

1116
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: eight to ze and so that first season we had

1117
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 3: Will Primos, Dave Owens, Aaron war Britton, Lake Pickle, Jason Hart,

1118
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: Jesse Griffiths who talked all about cooking turkeys, Mike Chamberlain.

1119
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: Mike Chamberlain, so we got to learn all about the

1120
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 3: biology of the turkey. And then I'm missing one more

1121
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: I should have I should should be prepared on this.

1122
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: It was four years ago. That was pretty anyway. Anyway,

1123
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 3: we we wanted to go through and have everybody explain

1124
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: different parts of it. So we talked about, you know,

1125
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: the history of the turkey hunter and the wild turkey

1126
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: with Will, and we talked about different strategies, you know,

1127
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: calling all the gear, like went through the whole thing.

1128
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 3: So whether you're a novice turkey hunter or like, you know,

1129
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: have been turkey hunting a long time, I think that

1130
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: it's a cool resource for people to go listen to

1131
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 3: and learn a lot about it. And then since then

1132
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: we've just been telling turkey stories and kind of all

1133
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 3: the debauchery that has happened in our travels all over

1134
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: the country and typically Ben tries to plan too many

1135
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: hunts in two short days and so we end up

1136
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: we hunt for like eighteen hours in one location and

1137
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: then we drive seven hours to hunt somewhere else. So

1138
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: it keeps us on our toes. But it's been fun.

1139
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's called Roost and this year we kind

1140
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: of got more aggressive with it and we've got all

1141
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: of the social channels going. It's all at Roost Show,

1142
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: so that's Instagram, threads and TikTok, and then we'll have

1143
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 3: a YouTube channel Roost Show, and we'll have the first

1144
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: episode from Texas out here in the next week or so.

1145
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: But we're doing semi live content kind of the whole

1146
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 3: spring and just keep the you know, keep the turkey

1147
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 3: fire burning.

1148
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: Awesome, man, I love it. You guys are doing a

1149
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: good job. You're always a good time to either spend

1150
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: time with or listen to from Afar and I appreciate

1151
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: that about you guys. If people want to connect with

1152
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: like your personal stuff too, where can they connect with

1153
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: Sam on Instagram? Is there anything new with public Lantes

1154
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: or any other projects yet?

1155
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: And yeah, work, Yeah, if anybody wants to follow me,

1156
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: it's just at Sam soul and then public Lantees is

1157
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: a company and my brother and I own shirts and hoodies.

1158
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: Five bucks from every item we sell goes back to conservation.

1159
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 3: And we're in the middle of a rebrand, so we

1160
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 3: are just working on new logos and all that brand

1161
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 3: identity stuff that's been you know, pretty pretty quiet over

1162
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, just trying to figure out

1163
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: which direction we want to go. So we've got a

1164
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: cool graphic designer working on that right now. We'll have

1165
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 3: a new website out here the next month or so.

1166
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: And then got some big ideas for this year, working

1167
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: with different organizations to help you know, funnel membership to

1168
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: those organizations and raise a bunch of money and you know,

1169
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: keep going with projects like Stamp It Forward and everything else.

1170
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: That we do.

1171
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: So we're fired up to do things a little bit

1172
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: different this year.

1173
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: Awesome man, Well, I will be following from AFAR and

1174
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 2: as always, very appreciative of the way you've been using

1175
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: your platform over the years, you know, making sure that

1176
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: we are not only enjoying these public lands and wildlife,

1177
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: but also giving back and doing what we can to

1178
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: keep it all around for the future. And you certainly

1179
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: you certainly let in that regard. So man, thank you

1180
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: for that, Thanks for chatting about all this.

1181
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on. And anytime anybody wants

1182
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 3: to talk turkey, just send a message or follow along

1183
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 3: at roost and everything a word up to it.

1184
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: It's a blast, absolutely all right, and that's going to

1185
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: do it. Appreciate you joining me, Hope this got you

1186
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: as fired up as I am for turkeys. Now after

1187
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: this conversation, I am raring and ready to go. So

1188
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: until next time, thank you for being here, and stay

1189
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: wired to hunt.