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Speaker 1: I love that Fike song, and Nicky, as you know,

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Speaker 1: I love the NFL Draft. Yes, absolutely, And I bet

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Speaker 1: Uh doing mix shots here day before the draft. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: The folks at Dallas Cowboys dot Com getting set for

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Speaker 1: the draft they could go that route to bill a need. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The other concern though, in the secondary is you have

429
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: so many players now in their last year in their contract,

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Speaker 1: including both starting corners and Jordan Lewis and Cheeta Aloozier,

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Speaker 1: and then both starting safeties as it is right now,

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00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods as well as Hawk Clinton Dix. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it seems like, though what you said, you know that

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Speaker 1: that run on defensive end is going to go real quick.

435
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Speaker 1: And I think when you get in the second and

436
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: third round, you may not the quality may not be

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Speaker 1: as good as the quality you can get at cornerback

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Speaker 1: or safety, or the quality you know you can get

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00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position, because I think there's some

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Speaker 1: guys there that can play. And the other thing, Bill,

441
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about some of their needs and boyd,

442
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: I just think they shouldn't go to sleep on the

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00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: center position either because losing Travis Frederick. I know they

444
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: signed Joe Looney, but again he signed for one year,

445
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: and I understand the Giants had some interest in him

446
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: if they were looking to cover themselves at the center position.

447
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm through Jason Garrett said, Hey, this guy can be

448
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: a placeholder for us until we get a guy right,

449
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: But I think you want better and they don't really

450
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: have other alternatives. They've got Adam Redman. He didn't play

451
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: last year and you're not sure what he can do.

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00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: You talk about Connor McGovern moving the center, but do

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00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: you really want to trust a guy that hadn't played

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Speaker 1: center since twenty seventeen at Penn State to transition when

455
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: there may not be an offseason, there may be a

456
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: late start to training camp, and now you're going to

457
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: take this guy and go he could be my starting center.

458
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: So to me, there's some guys that you can get

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Speaker 1: in the second, third round that can play the position.

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00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: I think there are some center candidates that you can

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00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: get on the third day even now. Whether they could

462
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: could be a walk in starter, and that's that's highly

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00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: up in the air, but they do have some options

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Speaker 1: at the center position. All right, in our last five

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Speaker 1: minutes or so, you're making let's talk wide receivers, because

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00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: that is appears to be the real strength of this draft.

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00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: There could be as many as a half dozen wide

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00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: receivers that go in the first round. The Cowboys have

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00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: an obvious need at the slot position on offense. And

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00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: one of the things that that I sit here and

471
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: wonder about, especially in this environment that we're in right now,

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00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: we're not one hundred percent sure we're even going to

473
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: have a season this year. I think best player available,

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00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: even more so than usual, should be top of mind

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00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: for not only the Cowboys, but every team. And if

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00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: the best player available at seventeen is a wide receiver,

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00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: especially one that can play in the slot, I think

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00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: they've got to take a long, hard look at that.

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00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: I would not argue with you one bit if they

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00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: ended up taking a wide receiver because the offense you play,

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00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: and I know what McCarthy likes to do. If you're

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00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: gonna use three wide receivers, then you need three starting

483
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Well, the Cowboys have two. And what'sever behind

484
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: everybody right now? You can't tell me that that guy's

485
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: going to go out there and give me fifty eight

486
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: catches for more than an eight hundred yards that Randall

487
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: Cobb did last year. You got to replace that. That's important.

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00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just think you can't go to sleep

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00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: on the wide receiver position. And you know, you should

490
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: open up that big green notebook and tell me if

491
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, three of these wide receivers could

492
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: go before the Cowboys even draft, but you know, something

493
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: that might be available even in the second round. I

494
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: could see using a second round pick on a guy

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00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: that can play in the slot. My concern with the

496
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: second round is I think that there's gonna will likely

497
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: be a run on these wide receivers. I think David Jeremiah,

498
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: or to Daniel Jeremiah said it's his dad is David Jeremiah.

499
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah said that he's got twenty wide receivers in

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00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: the top one hundred picks. I believe that was the

501
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: number that he had. But I think once you get

502
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: past the first seven or eight, it's by the time

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00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: you're picking at fifty one in the second round, it's

504
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna be like any other wide receiver draft, because the

505
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: really good ones, the difference makers, are gonna be taken

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00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: in the first thirty five picks. Probably. Okay, since you

507
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: turned me on to this guy, I'm gonna let you

508
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: talk about him. Leaviscas Chanal. I looking at him, and boy,

509
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: that certainly looks like an interesting wide receiver. And to

510
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: your point about Mike McCarthy offense, and we've seen what

511
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb we was able to do in that Green

512
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Bay offense, and it even last year with the Cowboys.

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00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: A guy who has run after catchability in the slot

514
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: and Labiscus Chenault, who by the way, is six foot

515
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: five eights inch tall two hundred and twenty seven pounds.

516
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: He lifts at Colorado. He lifts with the offensive lineman.

517
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: He is so strong because they have to change the

518
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: weights with the wide receivers, so they just Lebis could

519
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: just go lift with the with the with the lineman instead.

520
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: But he's got I mean, he had a phenomenal twenty

521
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: eighteen season where he had a thousand yards receiving eighty

522
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: six catches in nine games. Played not as much in

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00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. One of the knocks against him or injuries,

524
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're In fact, he had core

525
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: muscles surgery right after the Combine. He posted a video

526
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days showing him working out.

527
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: Doctors say that, he said, I mean, he's about one

528
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: hundred percent already from that. I don't think that's a concern. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know. Mike McIntyre, the former Cowboys assistant coach, was

530
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: his head coach at Colorado. He says glowing things about him.

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Speaker 1: I've reached out to him about him. Melt Tucker, who

532
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: is a coach this past year at Colorado, says that

533
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: he is one of those guys that you don't find

534
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: a guy like this but maybe once in your coaching career.

535
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean that kind of athletic ability I saw. I

536
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: saw one one draft Nick guy. His assessment of Channault

537
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: was he's probably the best athlete in the draft and

538
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes. I also saw somebody in

539
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: one of their mocks knock him for speed. He only

540
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: ran a four or five eight at the combine. But

541
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: what he did was he knew he had to have

542
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: that surgery on that core muscle, but he ran anyway.

543
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: That was one of the only things he did. Then

544
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: give him for credit, give him credit for trying, But

545
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: I did he is faster than that. So he ran

546
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: a four or five seven with a sports heard you Yeah, basically, yes, absolutely,

547
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: somebody knocked him that speeds the well, you got to

548
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: point out why the speed was a problem. You get

549
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: just say it with speed, But but what and he

550
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: can play running back too, I mean you can hand

551
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: them the ball. And remember Mike McCarthy used his wide receivers.

552
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Ty Montgomery basically made the career switch

553
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: from wide receiver to running back. I mean, can you

554
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: imagine a Cowboys offense where you got Chinalt on the

555
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: field and you don't know whether they're going to go

556
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: power or you know, four wide or whatever it might be.

557
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, because they could line him up alongside Zeke

558
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: and give it to either one of them absolutely, and

559
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: then throw Pollard in the equation and you can have

560
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: a very versatile offense. So you know, we've talked about

561
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: all these positions, Bill, and I know we're getting close

562
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: to running out of time. But the main thing I

563
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: think for the Cowboys, and I think you mentioned it

564
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: about best player available, especially at that first pick, they

565
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: can remain flexible because they need a little bit of

566
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: everything right. And my analogies I've been using on the

567
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: streaming shows we've been doing is you see the dartboard

568
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: behind me. If I replaced the numbers on the dartboard

569
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: with a position and you blindfolded me and I threw

570
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: a dart probably whatever I hit they need. I don't

571
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: know that we can make an argument that nah, they

572
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: don't need that. And Jerry and Mike brought it up

573
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: yesterday in that conference call about a quarterback. Hey, the

574
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: backers were known for drafting quarterbacks in later rounds, the

575
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: second or probably third day, and developing them and even

576
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: if they don't turn into say you're backup, because you're

577
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: set on your starter that you've got value there. It's

578
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: a piece that you can trade and make some money

579
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: off if you develop the guy. Now, the Cowboys have

580
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: tried that, they failed a couple times. Stephen McGee, that

581
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: was kind of their idea there. Now their idea with

582
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Dak was the same thing. Not knowing Tony was going

583
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: to get hurt and he had to end up being played.

584
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: But so if my Dart hits quarterback, Yeah, at some

585
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: point in this draft, take one. Yeah, and you know,

586
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: and you look at it, Yeah, Dak has been healthy

587
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: if you had his career so far. But you would

588
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: love to have a quarterback who you really have some

589
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: trust in, who has skins on the wall in his

590
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: college career, who for the next four years can be

591
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: your backup. And you know, and in a pinch, you

592
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: feel pretty comfortable that you're not going to lose what

593
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: you've put into this team because of the uncertainty at

594
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback position. All right, so we're bad out

595
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: of time, you will make your pick now. I still

596
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: say I've taken with my sticking with my LSU guy

597
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Cavalon Chason Haired for me to say it that kay

598
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: Levan Chasan kind of runs together, but I like him. Well.

599
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: I think the dream draft would be if somehow Laviska

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00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: fell the fifty one to the second round. Yes, absolutely,

601
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: Levon first in Laviska in the second round. I mean,

602
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem taking Laviska in the first

603
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: round myself. And maybe you trade back, and yeah, got

604
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: an to pick and and you know one position we

605
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: didn't touch and I know we got to go is

606
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: who's your backup swing offensive tackle. By the way, that's

607
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: that's another one. I got a name for you, Hakim Idenagy.

608
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you kids pronouncing that he's from Kansas? Oh? No,

609
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: Iddenagy and he could play. He's from Garland High School.

610
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: Jeff Jordan, I remember Jeff. Yeah, he's some freelance work

611
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys scouting department through the years, and he

612
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: wound up being in Kansas. He followed David Beatie, the

613
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: hit coach, up there, and Iddenagy went up there. And

614
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: he's a he's a good looking prospect as a swinging

615
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Whether it's a tackle or guard just in

616
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: fourth round or so, fourth or fifth round. There you go.

617
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: So we even eliminated any position. I don't think. Yeah, yeah,

618
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch and we will reconvene

619
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: at some point to see how right we were. Right absolutely, Bill,

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00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: and thanks for being with us on Mick Shots