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Speaker 1: You and Me Both is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I'm Hillary Clinton, and this is You and Me Both.

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Speaker 2: I am thrilled to be back for a new season

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Speaker 2: of the podcast, and especially delighted we are starting off

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Speaker 2: with such a special guest. I've been following the steady

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Speaker 2: rise of House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries for some time now,

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Speaker 2: through his years in the New York State Assembly, then

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Speaker 2: in Congress as a House Manager, overseeing the first impeachment

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Speaker 2: of the former president, and as the chair of the

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Speaker 2: House Democratic Caucus. But one of the most memorable moments

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Speaker 2: in his esteemed career came this past January, just after

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Speaker 2: those four chaotic days of in fighting before the House

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Speaker 2: Republicans finally elected Kevin McCarthy as Speaker. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: Hakim was unanimously chosen by his colleagues to be the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Leader, and in his first act in that capacity,

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Speaker 2: he took to the podium and offered his vision of

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Speaker 2: what Democrats in the House stand for.

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Speaker 3: House Democrats will always put American values over autocracy.

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Speaker 1: And he did this.

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Speaker 2: Let me remind you, in alphabetical order.

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Speaker 4: Liberty over limitation, maturity over mar a lago, normalcy over negativity,

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Speaker 4: opportunity over obstruction.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was an amazing speech, and it perfectly

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Speaker 2: demonstrated his unique qualities as a leader, drawing on his

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn roots, the Baptist Church, hip hop music, the values

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Speaker 2: of his civil servant parents, as well as his skills

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Speaker 2: as a litigator and orator. I'm so happy to share

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Speaker 2: my conversation with Leader Jeffries with you today.

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Speaker 3: Amen a second, theary. How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great well.

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Speaker 2: Let me welcome to the podcast, Congressman Hakim Jeffries. I

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Speaker 2: am so excited to speak with you today about a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 1: I literally could talk to you for hours, Hakim.

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Speaker 2: But I guess we'll try to limit it to, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, your personal history, the future of democracy, what's

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Speaker 2: happening in the Congress, and maybe I can, you know,

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Speaker 2: let you go before dinner. I'm not sure, but it's

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Speaker 2: just such a treat to have you. And let's start

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Speaker 2: with your parents, because both of your parents were civil

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Speaker 2: servants and I'm wondering how that might have influenced you

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Speaker 2: to pursue the career that you are now in. Was

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Speaker 2: their dinner table conversations about justice and equity and public service.

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Speaker 1: How did it all start.

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Speaker 3: You know, growing up in a household with my father, who,

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Speaker 3: public employees throughout the entirety of their careers. My father

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Speaker 3: crack cocaine epidemic, and my mother worked for the Human

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Speaker 3: Resources Administration as a case worker. So they were very

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Speaker 3: I were raised in Central Brooklyn Crown Heights, but of

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Speaker 2: You know, you came of age during the beginning and

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Speaker 2: You've been known to incorporate rap lyrics into speeches, You're

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Speaker 2: I won't tell anybody well.

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Speaker 3: Because it's you, Madame Secretary. I certainly did aspire to

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Speaker 3: And for me, a large part of that certainly is

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Speaker 3: growing up in Central Brooklyn, growing up in the Baptis Church,

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Speaker 2: Well, we saw some of your lawyering skills on a

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Speaker 1: You know, I was one of those.

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Speaker 2: Who followed that closely, and I'm just wondering why was

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to thank Speaker Pelosi, of course, as

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Speaker 3: I've done so repeatedly, for her embracing my journey in

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Speaker 3: to serve as an impeachment manager during that first impeachment trial,

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Speaker 3: above the law. And in that particular case, you had

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Speaker 3: election by encouraging a foreign country, Ukraine, pressuring them to

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Speaker 3: geopolitical shakedown of Ukraine, by withholding hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 2: It must have been very challenging in the circumstances in

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Speaker 2: to just see the naked partisanship that the evidence, the law,

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Speaker 2: the clear intention of what the former president was doing

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Speaker 2: Did any of them or any of your Republican colleagues

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Speaker 3: At the time, there were some Republicans who would express

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Speaker 3: But we understood that there were three things that we

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Speaker 3: in judgment of the president. We needed to present the

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Speaker 3: present the case for the historical record.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very important reminder that what you

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Speaker 2: the former president. And in this fast paced world we

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Speaker 3: I think that's exactly right. And the thing that I'd

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Speaker 3: doctor King who once said the time is always right

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Speaker 2: To receive it well, or, as scripture tells us, do

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Speaker 2: not grow weary in doing good, because eventually you will

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Speaker 2: reap the harvest. But sometimes there are difficult boulders in

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Speaker 3: But our question, I thinks you will go down as

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Speaker 3: and we kind of work through those family dynamics. But

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Speaker 3: another day. As America continues on March, total more perfect Union.

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Speaker 1: We're taking a quick break.

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Speaker 5: Stay with us, just like you.

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Speaker 2: I've been criticized by some that quote I'm not progressive enough.

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Speaker 2: In response to that, I said back in the twenty

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Speaker 2: So for my views on your leadership, I think you're

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Speaker 2: playing it exactly right. But I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: And it's been miraculous how united it has been. And

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Speaker 2: I give you big, you know, plaudits for that, but

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Speaker 2: maybe give us a little inside view of how you

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Speaker 2: do that every day, because that's the real key to

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Speaker 3: Well, some people may say that the House is, you know,

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Speaker 3: the way to try to do that is to authentically

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so important that you continue this effort. You know,

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to continue to put people over politics

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Speaker 2: Well, you've convinced me, I don't know that I'm your

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Speaker 2: Everyone who knows you, who has seen you in action,

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Speaker 2: Well, let's use that football analogy because that does connect

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Speaker 2: So now you are a legislator, you are a leader,

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Speaker 2: You know, in between everything you're doing, because I know

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Bill and I saw it last week and we

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Speaker 2: can't stop talking about it, because you're absolutely right. It

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: As I said in the beginning, I could talk to

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Speaker 1: I'm one of your biggest fans.

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Speaker 2: Leader, Hakeem Jeffries, thank you so much for joining me

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Speaker 2: on you and me both because you and me both

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Speaker 2: care a lot about our country, We care a lot

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Speaker 2: about our future, and I'm so happy that you're devoted

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Speaker 3: So good to be with you, Madame Secretary, and thankful for,

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Speaker 3: of course your continued advice and guidance and support all

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Speaker 3: that you've done for the country, all that you continue

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Speaker 3: to do for us as House Democrats and charting a

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: All Right, everybody keep your eye on Hakim Jeffries. I

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Speaker 2: fully expect to calling him Speaker Jeffries before too long,

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Speaker 2: that is, if we all do our part to help

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Speaker 2: the Democrats take back the House. But you know, speaking

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Speaker 2: had on this podcast with his esteemed predecessor, former Speaker

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Speaker 6: The security was making suggestions that we would all be

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Speaker 6: But understand this, we're coming back and we're opening the

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