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Speaker 1: On January second, two thousand, Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: After eleven long years, the Oakland Raiders are looking to

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Speaker 1: play spoiler and arrow Hit, but it's gonna take overtime

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Speaker 1: to break this streak. This is the Broken Arrow game.

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Speaker 2: Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and they're Jack and Kyler,

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Speaker 2: and we are on a search for the greatest game

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Speaker 2: of all time. And today we have John Gruden here

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Speaker 2: in the nuthouse in San Francisco. Brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Don't forget what's drum, A like and a subscribe. Let's

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Speaker 1: do it. Let's go Welcome to Games with Names.

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Speaker 2: Today, we are looking at Week seventeen of the nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety nine season between the Chiefs and Raiders with coach Gruden.

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Speaker 2: Coach in one sentence, why did you pick this game?

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Speaker 1: I think it got my career going. I think it

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Speaker 1: got our team going. It revived the Raiders. It was

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Speaker 1: the Raiders wake up Day, That's what it was. Is

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Speaker 1: this the greatest game of all time? Well, to me,

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Speaker 1: it's the greatest game I ever coached in and it

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Speaker 1: was very meaningful and like I said, it lit a match.

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Speaker 1: It lit the fuse to reawakening the Raiders which had

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Speaker 1: been asleep for a while. I think that's our theme

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Speaker 1: right now. It's a light a match game. You know.

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Speaker 2: I was talking before with Jackie, one of our producers.

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Speaker 2: We just did Berman last yesterday and he did the

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Speaker 2: eighty one catch game the Catch. He said that was

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Speaker 2: a light the match game. And Gruden comes on, he's

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Speaker 2: doing another light the match game for the Raiders. This

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Speaker 2: is light the match season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, when you're a young coach like I was

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Speaker 1: at that working for Al Davis, and you don't understand

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Speaker 1: because you're in the AFC East. But the Raiders Chiefs

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Speaker 1: is an iconic matchup. I mean it's a great rivalry

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Speaker 1: still is today. But the Chiefs have been kicking the

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Speaker 1: Raiders at ten years and I mean it had just

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Speaker 1: been a one sided ass kicking and they had great players.

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Speaker 1: And the Chiefs are playing at home. All they got

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Speaker 1: to do is beat us and they win the division

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Speaker 1: and get a home playoff game. Now, if they lose

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Speaker 1: the game, they're out. They're out. And my old boss,

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Speaker 1: Mike Holmgrin in Seattle wins the West get you're in

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Speaker 1: and it's the last game of the year. My quarterback

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Speaker 1: was Rich Gannon, who the Chiefs had jettison get out

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Speaker 1: down seventeen to nothing. Everybody wanted grooed and fired, but

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Speaker 1: we hung in there. Man. It was one hell of

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Speaker 1: a win for us.

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Speaker 2: And I can't wait to dive into it. But let's

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Speaker 2: let's jump into how how is life at barstool? I

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Speaker 2: love watching your content. You're unbelievable. I watch your game plans.

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Speaker 2: It makes me feel like I'm literally in the NFL classroom,

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Speaker 2: which all guys are.

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Speaker 1: That's what guys do.

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Speaker 2: People think playing a professional sport or professional football is

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Speaker 2: just going out and practicing and fucking stroking JoJo's You

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Speaker 2: got to sit and lit learn and fucking hear these

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Speaker 2: guys out because that information is so crucial.

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Speaker 1: How's Barstool have been treating you? Great? Man? It's been great.

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Speaker 1: We have a great leader. You know. Portnoy is part

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Speaker 1: of your army with the Patriots. Uh. He's really been

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Speaker 1: a great boss. He's a little bit like Al Davis.

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Speaker 1: He's got guts. He'll say what he thinks he wants production,

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Speaker 1: but great leadership and a bunch of young people that

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Speaker 1: I want to do a good job. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: get better. And thanks for having me on and thanks

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Speaker 1: for saying that. No, no, this is a this is

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Speaker 2: We've I've watched you coach, I was a Bay Area native.

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Speaker 2: I've watched you in the booth. I've watched your coach.

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Speaker 2: I've played against you. This is fucking just awesome getting

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Speaker 2: the talk ball with John grud Now does does Portinoy

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Speaker 1: No, nothing like that. You know what, I'd be sitting

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Speaker 1: You couldn't bullshit him. He could go in there and

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Speaker 2: people don't realize he's the only guy to be an owner,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be really cool if he had

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Speaker 1: How do we let the raiders in the A's leave

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Speaker 2: But you know those people, that crowd, that was a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You go to Allegian Stadium now and if

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Speaker 1: Do those are crazy Raider fans or interaction you had

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Speaker 2: It's a fun group of fans that you know, the

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Speaker 1: What's the difference between Alan Mark Well, obviously I grew

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Speaker 1: and Al Davis was a grinder man. You know, Mark's

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Speaker 1: So although they're from the same family and they got

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be back.

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Speaker 2: How many hours of film do you think you've watched

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Speaker 1: Hours? Unfortunately, probably most of my life. You know, I

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Speaker 2: And that's really I mean that's money down. That's where

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you think about it though.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back into time where the game took place, Coach,

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Speaker 3: You know, I do know, Yeah, I know, coach. I

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Speaker 1: That may be different? Now, Well, I miss the sixteen

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Speaker 1: I got eight home games. I'm not sacrificing a home

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Speaker 1: the just letting the coach, coach, letting me and my

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Speaker 1: open minded and smart about it, but we took a

430
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: lot of pride and taking care of our players. Shit.

431
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: When I was with the forty nine ers Bill Walsh

432
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: practice on Friday at full speed with no helmets. You know,

433
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: we had trained ourselves to practice better amongst ourselves safely.

434
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice would never hit a Ronnie Lott would never

435
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: hit Jerry Rice. Is that a practice because there was

436
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: a great amount of respect. No one would ever get

437
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: near Joe Montana ever, Charles Haley, not even if they gotta,

438
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: They would never touch them. But there was a big

439
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: respect and how we practice with the forty nine ers,

440
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: and I thought we did a great job with the

441
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: Raiders back then. Although we practice longer and a little

442
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: bit more often.

443
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's how you tell where a team is at,

444
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: is how they practice. If you don't see guys on

445
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: the goddamn ground. Guys know the tempo, they know the speed,

446
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: They know that nothing's more important than the health of

447
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: the team, But we still got to get work.

448
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: We still gotta work hard.

449
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: Because we can't get to the second level on a

450
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: fucking double team hip to hip just half ass in it.

451
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: You can't do that right, No, So you need to

452
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: practice hard. And the great teams are the great practicing teams.

453
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: I bet you both these teams you go to all

454
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: their practices, which I will be going to the New

455
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: England practice today. I bet you it's going to be

456
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: lights out, no balls on the ground, There's gonna be

457
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: no blown assignments. Guys are gonna be taking things from

458
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: the classroom to the drills to the freaking team period

459
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: or the seven seven.

460
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's just gonna go smooth.

461
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: Practicing is everything the preparation, Like you just said, two

462
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: feet of water bullshit.

463
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: So you can go into Super Bowl only.

464
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: Thinking everything's about the prep for the player, how he

465
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: feels and if the better he preps, that's when it

466
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: becomes easy on Sunday, That's when it becomes easy on Sunday.

467
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: I coached some Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice, Tim Brown,

468
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Irvin Friar, Art Monk Sterly Sharp. These guys never missed practice.

469
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: They never missed the game. They never wanted to miss

470
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: a rep. They were trained differently not to be disrespectful

471
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: of how we're doing it now. But it's a different deal.

472
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: And I think the coach, I think he needs to

473
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: have a couple of bullets where if you're lolly gagging

474
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: around lining up wrong in practice, god dang it, Julian

475
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: guy jumps off side at right guard, then the horn

476
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: blows when we walk to the next drill, and then

477
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: something else happens. You call everybody up and say this

478
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: is bullshit. You go get your fucking cars. We're starting

479
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: the whole day over, the whole day over. You know, Guys,

480
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: the next time someone jumps off sides, hey that's some

481
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: bitch is crazy, let's pick it up. But the players

482
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: got to run the team. But they also got to

483
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: know that that sound bitch over there is nuts. Now,

484
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: if you did something like that today, you'd get incarcerated.

485
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. I think there needs to

486
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: be a little bit more given to the coach where

487
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: he has a chance to do his thing. You know,

488
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I think your ass is on the line. Ten of

489
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: them just got fired this year, you know, and you'd

490
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: like to get fired haven't had a chance to use

491
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: that bullet, maybe to rile your team up. Sometimes you

492
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: guys need to be pissed off a little bit. You

493
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: have to. You got to make them laugh, you got

494
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: to piss them off, you gotta fire them up. You

495
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: got to do all of it.

496
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's different, coach, we come from probably the

497
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: same ish generation. I mean, you've been way longer, but

498
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: the old hard nose. Like anyone my age, no one

499
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: liked their football coach. You loved them, but you didn't

500
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: fucking like him. You didn't have to run seek nineteen.

501
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: We're going to the goddamn super Bowl. Why are we

502
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: hitting the fucking hill. He knows we need to hit

503
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: the hill.

504
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: He knows we.

505
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: Need that extra juice because it's a longer game in

506
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: the super Bowl and.

507
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna you need that shape you can win. Get

508
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: They know that you don't have to like them. And

509
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: sometimes when you have that asshole figure that's the coach

510
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: or who you know, not the asshole figure, but a

511
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: coach who has really got those two bullets, it unifies

512
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: a team that like, all right, we're all in this together. Yeah,

513
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: we're all in this together. Yep. And don't get me wrong,

514
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: I would tell the players, you know, don't be afraid

515
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: to throw me in that dumpster back there. Yeah, you know,

516
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: I don't really want to be an ass hole. I

517
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: don't want you to not like me. No, and I

518
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: do want you to. It's it's in our best interest,

519
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: okay that you play great? Yeah, you know I got

520
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: I gotta have it from you and you gotta have

521
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: We got to work together. We have to work together. Yeah, Now,

522
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: what is bad football?

523
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: I hear all these people on TV talking about.

524
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: What is what is bad football? You know? Bad football

525
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: is bad ball security. When you when you see guys

526
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: fumbling the ball, careless ball security, that is bullshit. Preestat

527
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: penalties make me throw up. I stick my hand in

528
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: the car door. It doesn't even matter anymore in college football, fumble,

529
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: what's all bad football? Missed blocking assignments? How about a

530
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: quarterback running the ball into a free safety blitz and

531
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: getting the back smashed? That is bad? But how about

532
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: a blown coverage? You know we shift over here, we motion,

533
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: And how about not running to the ball, you know,

534
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: how about not breaking the huddle? Now flatted downhill on

535
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: an income but dropping passes? How about you catch the

536
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: ball against the zone and you start, damn, that's in around.

537
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: Get vertical, get up. You see what I'm saying. So

538
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: you got to show all this bad shit to the players.

539
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: This is bad. Don't do this. Then I'll show a

540
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: good clip. You see Edelman right here, slice these guys.

541
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: That's a fourteen yard game. He caught it for a

542
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: four yard game. That's ten yards. He split them, you know,

543
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: And then you show somebody doing it bad. But lack

544
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: of concentration bad football.

545
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: What's the mount rushmore of bad football? There's only four

546
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: of them.

547
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: With bad meetings, bad meetings, bad preparation, bad bad attitude, selfishness.

548
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: It all starts there. You can control some of this stuff.

549
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: You got to walk into that meeting thinking, oh yeah,

550
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm checking myself in to get better today. A lot

551
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: of guys check you in, like God, I can't take it.

552
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: I can't take Wednesdays. Fuck, I hate Thursdays, you know

553
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it all starts. That's where it

554
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: starts bad. And if it starts bad, you got a

555
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: hard time to really get it going, you know. So

556
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: you got to get some culture, guys. That's why your

557
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: patriots are doing well. Lane. Have you ever been around

558
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: Robert splane? He would play on the Walt Whitman Bridge

559
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: for nothing. You understand that. And so A Gibbons and

560
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: this this, what's the other guy's name? Your other linebacker?

561
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: I love him. You got him from Philly. I can't

562
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Christian Elis Ellis. He's a badass, you know. But these

563
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: guys will play for nothing. But I think it starts

564
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: there and then the drill work when that horn blows.

565
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: From the time we have patent, go to our our

566
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: individual has to be all about eliminating bad football. You know,

567
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: your stance, your start right, the new routes, whatever it

568
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: is I say, ball security. Uh, just you know the

569
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: little things. You got to do the unsophisticated things so

570
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: you can do the sophisticated things.

571
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: You got to do the unsophisticated things so you could

572
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: do the sophisticated things. Because most of these games aren't won.

573
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: Yeah they're lost.

574
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: But you know too. And I read about vrabel Is.

575
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: He has every patriot. I think they call it the

576
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: four hs. So he would tell you to get up

577
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: there and tell us who your hero is, tell us

578
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: about some heartbreak in your life. I can't remember all

579
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: the four hs off the top, But I learn who

580
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: you are. If I'm another player on the team, you

581
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: learn who I am, and it kind of gives you

582
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: a sense of I got to run this route for

583
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: this guy. We got to play together for us to

584
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: have a chance, and a lot of teams aren't together.

585
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: No, we's got history, heroes, heartbreak and hope.

586
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: What's well, we know what bad football is, what's good football?

587
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Then you hear it all the time. Situationally, you know

588
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: teams that can convert in short yardage. I'm not talking

589
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: about this bullshit push push. I'm talking about get some

590
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: weight on your front hand, reduce your splits, come off

591
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the ball, and have a running back that understands a

592
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: great run on third and one is one yard. We

593
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: got to get this first down, you know, converting in

594
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: the red zone, getting touchdowns, you know, contributing on special teams.

595
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: People don't realize in the NFL, we don't have ninety

596
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: eight guys down there. I might say, hey, Ronde Barber,

597
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Ronde Barber covered it kicks for us in the Super Bowl.

598
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Fame dB. I never thought about

599
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: it one time. I never went up and kissed Ronde's

600
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: ass because he's playing on He did it because he

601
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: wanted to win a championship, you know, but I think, uh,

602
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: just being on top of your assignments right, competing your

603
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: ass off, fourth quarter pass rush. You got to have

604
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: a group that can close the game out because inevitably

605
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: you're going to play your ass off and have a

606
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: five point lead with two minutes left. Tom Brady did

607
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: a great job. You guys have done a great job offensively,

608
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: but you know what, your defense has to go out

609
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: there and end it. You gotta make Malcolm Butler, you

610
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: got to make a play with somebody. You know. It's

611
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: got to be Willie McGinnis. It's got to be will Fork,

612
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: It's got to be ninked the night.

613
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: Tower gotta be seeing by Collins, Trede Flowers.

614
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: Nobody talks about those guys, but they had a lot

615
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: to do with you guys getting these or in man

616
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot of them.

617
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: And I like what Coach talked about with Warren Sapack.

618
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: Don't be afraid to call it time out. Let those

619
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 3: big boys rest. Yeah, well, he's the late situations. I

620
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: love that we go out there. It's hot as hell

621
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: in Tampa. You guys know, that it is hot. We're

622
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 3: wearing these red uniforms and pewter pants. His sap says, hey,

623
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: do I get it? Can I take a time out?

624
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: What the hell are you talking about?

625
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: What are you gonna take him to your grave? You

626
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean? No, he goes, I get tired?

627
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: Can I take a time out? I go yeah. So

628
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: he's out, He rushes, he comes back, he rushes, he

629
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: comes back, he takes the time out. So we go

630
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: out there like a like a crew of fire man.

631
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: We give him gatorade and water them up. Next next player.

632
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: But what happens is during the two minute drill, the

633
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: high priced rushers, the great players, they get tired. They

634
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: got to come out of the game and you're replacing

635
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: Warren's sap with who he ain't Warren Sap ain't Warren

636
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: sap so, And you got smart guys on the other

637
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: side that go, no huddle and keep them trapped on,

638
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: keep the same personnel group. That's how you tire out

639
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: these big fucking guys.

640
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: Hit them with a couple of screens to start the

641
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: goddamn drive, make them run sideways, keep them on the fields.

642
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Right. It's one of my favorite Warren sapp stores. I

643
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: love that. I know, Sap, Yeah, he was something else.

644
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: Now, Coach, before we jump into the game, you're sitting back,

645
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: you just watched the game that your team played in.

646
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: You're sitting there by yourself, maybe on the plane because

647
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: you got the iPad and you got your Cowboy clicker,

648
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: and a play goes off and it just makes you

649
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: have a little smile.

650
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Yep, what's that play? It's just something that you practiced,

651
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: maybe something you feel like you invented. You know, you're like, hey, man,

652
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: that was an original. Oh gee, that's like you're a

653
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: musician or something. You're you're throwing off it. You're like,

654
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: goddamn man. And then the next week you see seven

655
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: teams run it. You know, Yeah, that's that's when you

656
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: really know. That's a That was a good podcast. Man.

657
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about it or imitating it or showing clips

658
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: of it. You know. But I remember Rich Gannon. I

659
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: used to grade the feet of the quarterback, the decision,

660
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: and the throw on every play. Yet and you know,

661
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: Rich with grade out at eighty six percent, and he'd

662
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: argue about the fourteen percent where I gave him a

663
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: bad grade. I said, you know, one of these days, Rich,

664
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: you're going to get on the plane, you're going to say,

665
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: why do you see this tape? I ripped it? And

666
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: there was one day where he actually did that. But

667
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: we were always seeking perfection. But when you see a

668
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: play like we ended the Ravens day on Monday Night

669
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: football my last year's coaching, we had this route as

670
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: a max protection audible and Rich excuse me, Derek audible

671
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: to it and Zay Jones mean right down there to

672
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: win the game. That's one of those plays. Yeah, yeah, man,

673
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: you know I always remember grad and stuff.

674
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: There's one thing about it when you go into that,

675
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: because we used to get graded out too, and you

676
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: thought you had your fucking best.

677
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: Game in the history of games. One of that go

678
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: turn the film. It's never as good as you think,

679
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: and it's never as bad as you think. Even then

680
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: if you have a bad day, I'm gonna get fucking fire. Osh. Oh,

681
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: there's a couple of good things not that bad.

682
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: It's never as good and it's never as bad that

683
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: that pursuit to perfection can drive them in crazy.

684
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: Same rule applies to podcasting. When we're watching our podcast,

685
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: they say the same thing. But you know, you need

686
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: somebody to keep raising the bar. You don't stay the same.

687
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 3: You either get better or worse, and we ain't getting worse,

688
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: you know. So I remember Derek Carr through for seventy

689
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: one percent one of the years. I came back and

690
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: we had our quarterback orientation and we go through all

691
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 3: the cutups and I have paragraphs written. And the first

692
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: thing we did is we started with the twenty nine

693
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: point nine percent that were incomplete, and.

694
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I pissed them off. I'm like, you could have completed

695
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: eighty percent, and once you complete eighty, you're gonna complete ninety.

696
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: And then once you complete ninety, let's complete every pass.

697
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: But I think you got to keep pushing and prodding

698
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: and trying to get these guys to find a way

699
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: to get better. Man, even though you had a hell

700
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: of a year. Well that's that's the coach's job.

701
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: You got You guys are pulling the strings on whatever

702
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: it takes it and it's different for a lot of guys.

703
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: Guys are are tuned differently. But you got to be

704
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: able to pull a string to motivate someone whatever his

705
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: motivation is, to get him to play his best. Because

706
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: if you can do that to the more players on

707
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: the team. That's how you get good products.

708
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Well, it takes the players to do that. You've got to.

709
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: You've got to. That's the Patriot way. Who are we shitting? Yeah,

710
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: everybody talks about the Patriot way. I mean you guys

711
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: were you guys have taken pride in having guys that

712
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: really like football, that really appreciate preparation and want detailed information.

713
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: There's a certain expectation I think that you guys.

714
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: Had you wanted to be coach hard I the one

715
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: thing our coach always said, he was on a pursuit

716
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: to find a tough, smart football team that performs under

717
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: pressure consistently. That was That's what he said. That's what

718
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: I want. I want a tough, smart How are you tough?

719
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: A team that can run the football, that could stop

720
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: the run, that can cover kicks.

721
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: How are you smart?

722
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: You're good in third down, You're good in the five

723
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: minute four minute offense, You're good in two minutes before half,

724
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: two minutes at the end of game, You're good at

725
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: all this. That's what a tough, smart football That's what

726
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: we were always defined to try to be. That was

727
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: what we wanted to be.

728
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: We had we had hats RCEE, recognition, communicatate, and execution. Well,

729
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't execute if we can recognize the

730
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: defense and you can and then we communicate what we're

731
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna do. That'll lead us to high levels of execution. Yeah.

732
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: If I'm running a choice route against cover four three

733
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: four deep three under with Edelman, we're gonna shred. We're

734
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: gonna sred these guys. Yeah. So if our quarterback recognizes

735
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: quarters and we're in certain formations, why wouldn't I let

736
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: him pull the switch and audible to that play. I mean,

737
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: we have the ability to communicate r c E. And

738
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: if Edelman runs seven choices in the first month of

739
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: the season against quarters coverage, I'll tell Julian if you

740
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: can't beat that coverage, we can't call this play anymore

741
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: because that's field of dreams. And I got to heighten

742
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: your their eagerness. You know, it's a fastball, you know

743
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: it's a curveball. Hit it out of the park, you know,

744
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: And I think across his face, no one's on the

745
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: other side, and getting everybody on the same page in

746
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: terms of recognition takes a lot of work that a

747
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: lot of people don't have the time to put in

748
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: or they don't really want to go through all that shit.

749
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: Let's just run to the line of scrimmage, running RPO

750
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: and clap our hands and get on with our day.

751
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: Well, let's go and jump into the work that coach

752
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: put into in this light matching game?

753
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: What is it? What is this light? The match gate,

754
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: the match base, a light the match something special? Jackie,

755
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: break down these cheeks, Chiefs, real quick.

756
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: These guys finished nine and seven gun through Cunningham first year.

757
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: The Cunningham erag all u AFC West fans realized he

758
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: was formerly with the Raiders d C and d line

759
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: coach first year post Schottenheimer, of course, notable.

760
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: Assistance on this team.

761
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: He got ron Zuck Signetti, Frank Signetti junior shout out

762
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: Indiana Baby, Tony Gonzalez. Third year, breakout season, seventy six catches,

763
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: eight hundred and forty nine yards, eleven tds, Derek Thomas

764
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: final year in the NFL nine sacks went out there

765
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: in bald You gotta.

766
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: Of course we talked to earlier.

767
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: Elviskerback two years removed from People Magazine and sexiest Man

768
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 3: of the Year.

769
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: Look that one up.

770
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: Andre Rising Donnell Bennett, Derek Thomas, Bam Morris, Joe Horn.

771
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: Was on this team. Joe free cell phone. There ain't

772
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: even cell phone.

773
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they probably weren't. He was on the pager. Yeah,

774
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: these guys were in contention right up until this week.

775
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: The win AFC West.

776
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: Hall of Famous, Tony Gonzales, Derek Thomas, Woolshields, Warren Moon too, Warren.

777
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Warren Moon coach. What do you remember about this team? Well,

778
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: I remember they were very good. Marty Schottenheimer was there

779
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: the year before. Rich Gannon was my quarterback. Came from

780
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Kansas City and they had been They had trained their

781
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: whole team to just kill the Raiders. The Raiders were

782
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: exactly what you don't want to be. Their lackluster, they're undisciplined,

783
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: they're penalized, they're a shot. Kill them. We hate this team.

784
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: This is Raider week. So Gannon okay, kind of brings

785
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: all this intel of how they're thinking. Boy, I was

786
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: just so you know, Derek Thomas, my first game as

787
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: a head coach ever was on National TV on ESPN,

788
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: and Derek Thomas had I think six sacks against against

789
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: Jeff George. Derek Thomas. Derek Thomas was block, so we

790
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: had Derek Thomas. I do remember we had a lot

791
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: of injuries on our offensive line and we fell behind fast,

792
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: and I knew that was not the recipe. In Arrowhead

793
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: with that noise they played great classic rock to I

794
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: mean it was loud. Remember Rob come on home Field,

795
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the noise, Quiet Riot. They must have played that song time.

796
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: I swear I could feel my body shaken. It was loud. Man. Uh,

797
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: but it was a hell of a team and uh

798
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: for us to prove to ourselves and to everybody else

799
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: that we were legit, we needed to beat this team

800
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: because they had been kicking our ass and Denver had

801
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: been kicking our ass. They had won back to back

802
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. So it was a tough league to be

803
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: in that. Thank God for rich Gannon.

804
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break, Jackie, get

805
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: into Oakland rate talk.

806
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby finish this year eight and eight. Coach Gruden

807
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 3: was in his second year in Oakland. It was rich

808
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: Gannon's first year. I believe this is Craig win six

809
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: and twoigains plaoff tams that year.

810
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a good teams. We missed some field goals.

811
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: That's why he brought Joe Nedney. My agent, Bob Lamont,

812
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: had Joe Nedney. Joe Nedney kicked at Santos a State.

813
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: So we brought in our kicker, Joe Nedney. Heck yeah,

814
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: brought him in December.

815
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: This was an awesome offense too, averaging twenty four point

816
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: four points a game. That's the top ten offense. Had

817
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: some Hall of famers on this team. He got Tim Brown,

818
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: Charles Woodson.

819
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: Of course.

820
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: That was a Niners guy. But everyone, even if you

821
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: were a Niners kid in the Bay, you all loved.

822
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: Everyone loved Tim Brown. No, no gloves, tape, the fingers.

823
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: He was awesome. He's still I see that name. I

824
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: just well up, man. He meant a lot to me,

825
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: that guy. What about Jerry or what were you there

826
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: with Jerry too? Yeah? I got you got him next

827
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: year I had Jerry. My last year, two thousand and one,

828
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: we brought in Jerry. How is that? Having Tim Brown

829
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: and Jerry? Rice? Cool? Is that? It was awesome? You know?

830
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: It's the funny thing is I was always very perceptive

831
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: to the ball distribution. I never wanted so, Tim, you'll

832
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: appreciate this. The z up to the call in our

833
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: offense generally unless he hears slot zoomer x SO. Anyways,

834
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: Jerry played Z for the forty nine ers, same system

835
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: for about fifteen years. Tim played Z for me for

836
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: three years, so we moved Jerry to x SO. During

837
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: mini camp, we would break the huddle and Jerry and

838
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: Tim would be over there at ZEA. I'd be like, God,

839
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: damn it, Jerry or the X. Oh, don't yell at Jerry.

840
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Excuse me, Jerry, you go.

841
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: But at the end of the year, I think they

842
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: both had over ninety catches. You can quote me what

843
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: the stats were. They both had over one thousand yards,

844
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: and I think they both had the same amount of touchdowns.

845
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: See here thousand. That would be two thousand and one

846
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: one Raiders. You see here we got Jerry. Jerry had

847
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: forty No, he had.

848
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: On eighty three catches, nine touchdowns. Tim Brown ninety one catches,

849
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: nine touchdowns.

850
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: They both have over one thousand.

851
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they granted Jerry was four years old right here. Yeah,

852
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: the raser back there.

853
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: I had this office in Alamedia and I walked in.

854
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: We played the Titans, I think it was on Monday

855
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: Night football and we had this played double post two posts,

856
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: the tight end would clear out the poach safety and

857
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: Jerry would run the post. Tim quarters beater, and we

858
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: had somebody coming underneath, you know. And we had twenty

859
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: two personnel, two backs, two tight ends, just one wide out.

860
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: So I ran double post and I go, uh, let's

861
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: go twenty two z. Let's go Jerry Rice and Jerry

862
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: runs the double posts. The next day, I walk in

863
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: my office and Tim Brown is sitting in my chair

864
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: at my desk. Who dug it? Took my double posts? Man?

865
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: He didn't like that. So I'm like, I'm sorry, man,

866
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: but I'll never forget. First preseason Did you complete? Did

867
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: he complete? I just said no. I just said, hey, Jerry,

868
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: it is Jerry Rice. It's not like you know some slaptick.

869
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: But I remember the first preseason game we had Jerry

870
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and Tim, and I told him. I said, we're at home.

871
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: I said, I'm I'll let you guys play the first

872
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: three plays. That's it. First play of the game. I

873
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: called H two double go. Gannon is he's a bad

874
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: Gannon looks at me, he goes, hey, who do you

875
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: want me to throw it to? I go, that's your

876
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: fucking problem, man. You know what I mean, but you

877
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: got a free safety in the middle of afiely Ryson Brown.

878
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: You know, so there was some of that that Gannon

879
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: had to deal with. You know, it's not as easy

880
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: as people think.

881
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: No, that is not, especially just at the point of

882
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: where they were in their career.

883
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: So, coach, what was this is your what this is

884
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: your second year? Yep? What was what was the turning

885
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: point of this year? Was it this game? Well, the

886
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: turning point was that guy right there, Gannon, number twelve.

887
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he just made us practice different, We met different.

888
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: There was a demand. He would throw his helmet, he

889
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: would go nuts on the practice field. I mean, if

890
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't right, let's get the time, what are we

891
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: doing out here? He'd yell at me. I yelled back

892
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: at him. You know, there was a lot of that.

893
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: How old was he at the time? Thirty four? How

894
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: old are you? Probably thirty six, thirty five.

895
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: That's that's you know, that's that's what it probably felt

896
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: like for But we had an old veteran.

897
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were determined to change things. He did, and

898
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 1: he really made a real challenge. He's a challenge to coach,

899
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: but he brought his a game every day. Who was

900
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: the funny guy on the team. Funny guy on the team.

901
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't a lot of fun out there. Really, you know,

902
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: when you're working for Al Davis and there's a lot

903
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: of jokesters people. You know, Bill Belichick had the job,

904
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: he was going to get the head coaching job. He

905
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: called me, he says, hey, do you want this job? Like,

906
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? He goes, do you want

907
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: the raider job? I go, yeah, I do. He goes,

908
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: you can have it. I'm pulling my name out. But

909
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of people that says,

910
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: you want to ruin your career, you go work for

911
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: that guy because people have been fired and fired and

912
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: fired and fired. So there was a lot of pressure.

913
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Wasn't a lot of joke telling. This was not a

914
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: uh you know, a real loose atmosphere. We were we

915
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: were we were grinding. Who's the team asshole? Team asshole?

916
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: Probably probably Woodson, you know Woodson. Woodson brought a lot

917
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: of uh. I worked with him on Fox. Yeah. He

918
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: didn't take any ship from anybody, you know. I remember

919
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: one day he went out there and he got into

920
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: Tim Brown pretty good in one on one. I said,

921
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing. You know, he didn't really,

922
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: he didn't give a shit, and he wanted to play

923
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: offense and I told him, no, you're not playing offense,

924
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: You're playing defense. He has pissed me about that. He

925
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't really know how to practice. I think like a pro.

926
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: He had all the talent, man, he had everything, and

927
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: he was a great game day player. But getting him

928
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: to Sunday it was a challenge. You know, it was

929
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: a challenge. What were some of the challenges, Well, Andre

930
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: Risen was on the team Friday night. Thursday night was

931
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: a challenge. Are you going who are you going out with?

932
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Then I brought in Charlie Garner, my guy from uh

933
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was with Charlie and in Philadelphia, and I

934
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: love Garner if I loved him, but I'd see Garner

935
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: and Woodson getting out of the car together and I'd go, God,

936
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: dang it, you know, damn it. But you know, Woodson,

937
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: he was he was, he was. He was tough on

938
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: me sometimes, but I loved him.

939
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: He you know, I I worked with him at Fox

940
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: and it took us some time to He's got the

941
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: he's got that captain kind of vibe where you gotta

942
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: you gotta show him you're you're worthy, that's right, and

943
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: then when once you do, then he's your boy.

944
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: You know. We brought in Eric Allen, who just went

945
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, and Eric Allen coming to

946
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: the Raiders at that point in his career. I think

947
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: he really helped Charles. Like when I wanted to get

948
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: a message to Woodson, sometimes I'd have to do it

949
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: through Eric Allen. You know, you gotta you gotta see Jackie.

950
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: Let's get the game lead up right and break down

951
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: and the big.

952
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: One year is playoff. Berth is on the line. AFC

953
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: West title is on the line. And we got to

954
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 3: mention this is a week twelve rematch, blown lead, fourth

955
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: quarter lead, sour taste in these Raiders' mouth. We went

956
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: a little revenge Kansas City coming off a loss to

957
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: Mike Homer up in the old Kingdome.

958
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: So they need this one. Baby.

959
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: The Raiders are out at this point, but we're trying

960
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: to end the season on a high note like that match.

961
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: Baby.

962
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: You just paint the picture of that old Arrowhead Stadium

963
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: because I always talk about it the new one or

964
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: whatever it was, this the older stadium. Yeah, So I

965
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 2: always talk about Kansas City being top three loudest outdoor

966
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: stadiums in the league. With Seattle being there and Denver

967
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: being up there, you had to play them both. Was

968
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: Kansas City just fucking rock and all?

969
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: Well, Kansas City at that time they were renovating Seattle Stadium.

970
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: We were playing in the old Washington Husky Stadium. Yeah, Seattle. Yeah,

971
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: So that was kind of a They played in the

972
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: King Dome. It was kind of a I wanted to

973
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: go to you, deb I remember that, but Old Arrowhead.

974
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: You know, they were they were on the verge, on

975
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: the brink. They were close. They had just been eliminated

976
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: I think by the Indianapolis Colts at home in the

977
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: playoffs the year before, and you said it, you listed

978
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: the name of characters they had on that team. So

979
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: and they had the division wrapped up. They'd beating the

980
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: Raiders I think nine times in a row, something like.

981
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: Eleven years straight. Eleven they on the nineties. Man, let's

982
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: get into the game, Jack, all right, we gotta start,

983
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: not the best start. We got to get it out

984
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 3: of the way early. Down seventeen to nothing before the

985
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: uh I mean, Kensity barely even had the ball to

986
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 3: merk Vanover. That guy was a return specialist. Eighty four

987
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: yard punt return. Then you got to pick six field goal.

988
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: It's seventeen nothing before you can even blink.

989
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, not great.

990
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: Now at this point, coach, are you scrapping the game

991
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: plan and just going off of the adjustments of what

992
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: they've been giving you, or are you guys just sticking

993
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: with it.

994
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: Well, we were not going to scrap the game plan.

995
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: We know we got to get one unscore and get

996
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: back into the game. Let's not worry about scrapping anything.

997
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: Let's try to get back in the game. I mean, hell,

998
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: we punked the ball. The punter punted it down the

999
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: middle of the field to Tamrick Vanover. It's like blowing

1000
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: your brains out. Carl was pissed. And then we got

1001
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: a concept. We had a double slant and a drag

1002
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: slant on the opposite side. The double slant, James Hasty

1003
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: is the nickel corner, and I thought again and thought

1004
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: he was carrying the inside slant. He baited him, buzzed it,

1005
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: took it to the house. I never called that play again.

1006
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: I can hate that play. Sean Payton still likes that

1007
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: play anyways. Tosser man Vane. We gotta put some shine

1008
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: on Vanover.

1009
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: I mean that was his second part during that year

1010
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: eight in his career up to this point, I was

1011
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: a special man long and van Over.

1012
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: Vanover is like Marcus Jones and Rashichi. He he was

1013
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: dangerous game change. So we are behind guy seventeen to

1014
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: nothing saying rocket, it's rocket. We need something here, we

1015
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: need something, so we get the ball. We go three

1016
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: and out again, yes, and there fucking going crazy. I

1017
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: dug it, Oh my god, but we got a guy

1018
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: Marky's Walker.

1019
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 3: When you need a sparks, look to Special Teams punt

1020
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: block Kenny shed scoop and score.

1021
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: What did that do to the mo? Gave us a chance?

1022
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're putting us away. We're punting the ball

1023
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: to van Over again down seventeen and all of a

1024
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: sudden it's seventeen seven. Kenny Shed's a policeman now really Yeah.

1025
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: What a resilient group though, Special Teams wise, you give

1026
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: up a house call and then get a block kick

1027
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: field goal, Scoop score.

1028
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: Well, James Jett is hurt, so James Jett doesn't play.

1029
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: So we're using Terry Mickens, who I brought in from

1030
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: Philly as our ex and we elevate Kenny Shedd. He's

1031
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: got a play offense, and here's the guy that really

1032
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: turns the game around with that block playing.

1033
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: Imagine getting arrested by Kenny shed the guy that did

1034
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: the scooping score in week seventeen at Arrowhead.

1035
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: That'd be cool.

1036
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: Then you get I mean the mo is going, the

1037
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: rallies starting. Yeah, get into cracket baby, we're at seventeen fourteen.

1038
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: Get into Napoleon Kaufman twenty one seven team got the lead.

1039
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, you don't realize is they are rushing

1040
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: the passer. They are rushing. They are heating our ass up.

1041
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: We're playing a backup tackle. I think was Nowski gets

1042
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: hurt for a while and we put in Gennaro DiNapoli

1043
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: and we're blocking Leslie O'Neill, I think Derek Thomas, you know,

1044
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Chester McLaughlin, and we run a screen to Zach Crockett.

1045
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: We called fifty X spot. We had. We had these

1046
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: pass routes. We would call the route and let the

1047
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: defense cover the route and then throw the screen as

1048
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: we called them voided screens. Well, Zach Crockett on a

1049
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: greatly executed screen walks in. It's seventeen fourteen. He's doing

1050
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: his Omega shuffle. All of a sudden, Chucky's coming alive

1051
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: down there. Jucket, Wow. We get the ball back in

1052
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: the past. The kaufin was a shovel pass all time.

1053
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: Derek Thomas is racing up the sloan down great hey,

1054
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: Napoleon walks in for another. We got the lead twenty

1055
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: one to seventeen. There that is that's a kaan. The

1056
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: offensive line coach shout out called that play. Oh, I

1057
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: love that. He's like, he's offensive line coach coach. We

1058
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: got settling down just going off the field. So we're

1059
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: down twenty one seventeen and then go ahead. We're watching

1060
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: the Boomer cut up downstairs.

1061
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: He gave one of the biggest whoops ever when he

1062
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 3: threw that shovel pass TV.

1063
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: That was awesome. But they come back to.

1064
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: Their back right the ship a little bit, gets a

1065
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: touchdown Tony Gonzalez back up twenty four to twenty one,

1066
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: but right before the half get into wheelie again.

1067
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: Twenty eight twenty four. We're going in the locker room roaring.

1068
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: It was another screens. It was an all out blitz man.

1069
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: They're coming. We had We had taught our screening backs.

1070
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: When you're the screening backs, don't get hung up in

1071
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: pass protection. We got nobody to throw it to bluff

1072
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: them break down like you're gonna knock his ass off,

1073
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: and so Layam Wheatley. If you watch that play, it's

1074
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: a clinic rell. He bluffs that blitzer catches the screen

1075
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: walks in. I remember running to the locker room twenty

1076
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: eight to twenty four. We're winning, and I was thinking,

1077
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: we got three touchdown passes on screens. Al Davis is

1078
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 1: probably up there pissed. I said, we got we gotta

1079
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. Shit, But I didn't

1080
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: know what to say. I was so excited. That was

1081
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: the greatest freaking comeback. And the crowd in Kansas City's like,

1082
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: son of a bitch, we got a ball game here.

1083
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: He got a bet it was.

1084
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: Great, great, Oh man, I bet the doors were about

1085
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 3: to blow off that locker room at halftime.

1086
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: I love it, But.

1087
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: Kansas City comes out hot. We got a ninety eight

1088
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: yard TD drive. Joe Horn finishes it off back up

1089
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 3: thirty one, twenty eight. Then you big drive Gannon to

1090
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 3: Brown on this one, a big forty two yarder, gets

1091
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 3: that driving going, and then I got it. We got

1092
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: to give some shine to tears weekly again. Brother, one

1093
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: of the hardest TV runs you'll ever see. I mean,

1094
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: whole fighting. It was insane, dragging him Theian zone. He's

1095
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: fighting for yards. That was a touchdown Rader run. That

1096
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 3: was a Raider run. Back up thirty five thirty one.

1097
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: If this isn't the most back and forth game, hold

1098
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: you remember Mark May, yeah, all on this thing.

1099
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I was watching that on a DVD

1100
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: and I can still hear Mark May going Tyrol Wheatley.

1101
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: He won't go down, He will not go down. I

1102
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: love that call, Maunt. It was awesome. It was all time.

1103
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Iron Eagle in there. He looks

1104
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: like he's about twelve years olad. I love him. I

1105
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: love that guy. Yeah, he's my favorite today. One of

1106
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: a crew, Oh my gosh.

1107
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: And then we we fast forward a little bit, go back,

1108
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 3: recaptures the lead thirty eight, thirty five, and then you

1109
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: get to forty five seconds left. We got to drive

1110
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: here to tie this thing on. Rich gaynon converts was

1111
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: it third and nineteen fourth? There was a personal foul.

1112
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 3: Tim Brown catches the pass and he threw the ball.

1113
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: I guess at somebody because they wouldn't they wouldn't let him.

1114
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: Up, and they threw. They gave him a fifteen yard

1115
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: penalty to make it like a third and twenty. So

1116
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: we get a little completion and on fourth and twelve

1117
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: we ran twenty four double dig and Tim Brown slipped

1118
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: the cloud, went up inside and gan and looked off

1119
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: the first down. First down, Yeah, and that place was

1120
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: freaking going nuts. Man, if you get a chance, looked

1121
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: this video up. Yeah, that's pretty good.

1122
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 3: I mean, and I gotta say, coach, not to glaze

1123
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: you up, tour, but the passion and the intensity made

1124
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: you out on the island. Was not right to run

1125
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: to the brick wall back there, jod he was popping

1126
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: off the screen. And then that sets up the brides

1127
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 3: a Jose's d Joe Edney thirty eight yard and we're

1128
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: going to o t well Stoyanovich.

1129
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he shanked one. I forgot about that.

1130
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: Look a time out. We took a time out, and

1131
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: this is probably not kosher, but I talked a lot

1132
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: of trash like to the opposing team. Hey, Edelman, you

1133
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: look like you've you got a dumpy ass Edelman. You know,

1134
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: pull your socks up, you know, Soovich you're gonna miss it,

1135
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: shake it, you know, I'd be yelling at him. He

1136
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: missed it.

1137
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: Uh, that was a great day for me. That that

1138
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: was awesome. And then we get a nice little gift

1139
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: to start o T Baker. He shanked that thing out

1140
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: of bounds, don't he. Yeah, we the substitute kick.

1141
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: That's right. He had a hard time kicking off. He

1142
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: kicked it out of bounds again. I thought the Cunningham

1143
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: was gonna go down. He's he's down there yelling at

1144
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: his special teams coach, and I'm like, nice kick, his

1145
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: son of a bit. Nice kick. So they had been

1146
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: bringing this weak side blitz in an over defense, bringing

1147
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: like the will free safety and weren't an I formation.

1148
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: We never were in the gun. So we run Fox

1149
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: three Z Bengo cross and we get the same blitz

1150
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: and Tyrone Wheatley stuffed it and Tim Brown comes out

1151
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: the back end for about forty yards set us up

1152
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: for the game.

1153
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 3: A nice little thirty three yard chipper forty one thirty eight.

1154
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: The Raiders get their first win of the nineties. Well,

1155
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: we're in two thousand but man, we're ready to get

1156
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: out of there with the win.

1157
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: That was awesome. I was dancing on the coach. I

1158
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: think you levitated out there. Man. I was dancing on

1159
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: the field, and Tony Gonzalez hated me. He ripped me

1160
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand times. Fuck that John Reading guy. He

1161
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: was dancing on our field. Well, I'm gonna dance for

1162
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: the next two and a half years. Tony and I did.

1163
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: We danced. We beat him five straight times. Yeah, fucking yeah,

1164
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: let's go. We're gonna play you. We're gonna dance all

1165
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: over your freaking grave too, you know.

1166
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: And that's what it should be. That's what playing in

1167
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: the division is. I mean, that's one of the oldest

1168
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: AFL rivalries in the game. Since nineteen sixty, those teams

1169
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: have hated each other. You got guys before games, key keyan.

1170
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: You know, we're taking Instagram like that's what football is

1171
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: supposed to be. I hated the Jets. I fucking hated

1172
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: the Jets. The Buffalo Bills, they were our little brothers.

1173
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: But in the Division, it had to be straight hatred.

1174
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 2: And that's what was so magnified. After we watched the

1175
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: old cutups of this just how fucking it, how much

1176
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: it mattered, how much it mattered to win in the division.

1177
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: That's what people don't realize.

1178
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 2: You went in the division, you get a home playoff game,

1179
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: you get the home playoff.

1180
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: That's the first goal is winning in the division. Yeah,

1181
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: and you take it from somebody in their home field

1182
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: for as long as you guys been losing there. That's

1183
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: when you're on the bus. And I've been criticized for

1184
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: a lot, but I would tell the bus driver they

1185
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: spin this thing around Arrowhead for forty five minutes, I

1186
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: want to enjoy a beer on the plane here. And

1187
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: you tell the pilot, Hey, I don't want this trip

1188
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: the land. Can you make it a fifteen extra minutes?

1189
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: You want to share that time time, you know. But

1190
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: being on the bus with your players in the middle

1191
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: of the Arrowhead parking lot watching them all go back

1192
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: to their cars, Oh, it was like because when you

1193
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: drive into Arrowhead they're throwing ship at the bus slipping off.

1194
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: You know, we'll be right back after this quick break, coach.

1195
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that just got me thinking. That's probably top

1196
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: three favorite things in my career is when you get

1197
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: a big game on the road, the time of the

1198
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: travel because after that, once you're off the bus, you're

1199
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: onto the next But that time, which one was like

1200
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: one that you remember? What away game win? Do you

1201
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: remember the most were? It was so satisfying. Is this

1202
01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: there up up there at it.

1203
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: Or it's at the top, you know, Super Bowl San

1204
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: Diego when I was offensive coordinator beating the Dallas Cowboys

1205
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: with Akman and Irvin in Dallas. You know, I was

1206
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: a thirty one year old offensive coordinator and I'd been

1207
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: going up there. They'd been kicking our ass and they

1208
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: would always say, hey, hey boy, come on back here.

1209
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: I'd be walking to the elevator. You're there in their

1210
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: luxury box. Cowboy hats hey boy, come on back next year.

1211
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: We enjoy having you. Well, we went up there with

1212
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: ty Depptmer and tore their ass up. So I was

1213
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: opening up every luxury suite on the way to the elevator.

1214
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: See you next year, boy, Get out of me and

1215
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: I get on the bus. And you just know the preparation,

1216
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: the amount of time. You know, at least that's the

1217
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: way we invested our whole life in this week. You

1218
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean?

1219
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: And what did you say when you came in here?

1220
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: You got a whole army in here. Yeah, and it's

1221
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: that army. It takes an army to get one win

1222
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: in the that week. It takes an army of people,

1223
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: fucking the cafeteria people, the equipment.

1224
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: Staff, training, it's an army of people.

1225
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: And just for that three hours from travel Yep, you

1226
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: get to enjoy it because once you get off that plane,

1227
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: you're already turning the fucking page.

1228
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: Like Bobby Seeger said, that's exactly. You can't say it

1229
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: any better than that. But this was one of those

1230
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: great moments. Man, Home, Grin, send you something? Did he

1231
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: didn't send you? He didn't send me something you can find.

1232
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: I saw in my old guy Gruber. You know, God

1233
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: bless my col Grin. But you'll see me dancing right there.

1234
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: Look at coach, you are towhead. Home Grin said in

1235
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: the locker room, I got to send my guy something special. Yeah,

1236
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: he never sent me nothing. Come on, coach, come on,

1237
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: that's right.

1238
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 3: Jules and I were, man, we were downstairs talking like

1239
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 3: what did what did he send to be something good?

1240
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: At least a fruit basket? I just I remember when

1241
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: this brought me down memory lane. Man, you were like

1242
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: I was a Niner guy. But when you saw a

1243
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 2: Groud and the young coach over there with the fire,

1244
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: there was fucking some fire with the Raiders, and everyone

1245
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: was a fan of it in the bay like we

1246
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: all like used to be like, oht of the Raider.

1247
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: But then when you came out there, you guys are

1248
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: doing exciting things. You guys brought over Jerry, you had

1249
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: Tim Brown there, you go to the ball. It was

1250
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: just it was so fun to watch this game and

1251
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: the study the tape. Let's let's let's freaking grade the

1252
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: game and see where it stands and in the rankings

1253
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: of all there's the that's the shovel pass.

1254
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: Does the shovel pass? The Kaufman beautiful? He was something else.

1255
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: He retired and he was twenty six years old. I

1256
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: cried for two days. Yeah, but yeah, this is when

1257
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: you when you know you got him, when you know

1258
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: you got a chance, you feel it on the sidelines.

1259
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, all three phases are kicking in. It was

1260
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: a great day. Perfect. Let's go in.

1261
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: Let's name the game and then let's grade the games.

1262
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: These are some names we came up with.

1263
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: Coach.

1264
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: That's why we come on the show. We grade the

1265
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: game to see where it ranks in the greatest games

1266
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: of all time.

1267
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: We came up with some but if you have a name,

1268
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: you can you can drop the name. We'll go with it.

1269
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: We came up with the ot at arrowhead, the Broken

1270
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: American Arrow.

1271
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: I like it. Put it on all right, it's the

1272
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: broken arrow game. Shout out, shout out, how long? Shout out,

1273
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: how long? Shout out? How long?

1274
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: Raider for life right there? Score the game is just

1275
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: the greatest game of all time. Let's score it.

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Speaker 1: Coach.

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Speaker 2: Decimals are encouraged. The stakes of this seven week seventeen

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01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: regular season game nineteen ninety are stake zero to ten.

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: Decimal's encourage. Well, for us, we weren't going to make

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01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but I needed to save my job. We

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01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: needed credibility. So it has to be at nine point

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: five nine point five four. Yeah, I mean that.

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01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: This is why we all individually graded. I mean everyone

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01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: has different circumstances. Week seventeen teams going out there fighting

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Speaker 2: for me. I would say it's a seven point five. Coach,

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01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: I gotta let you know we've done World Cup Final.

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01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. I mean the Chiefs win

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: the division. Stakes for them were I yeah, seven for

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01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: us to really stick our foot up there. Ass we

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: need to take that from them. I love it. I

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01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: love it. That's why I have it higher.

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01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: Now, what's the star power of this game? Zero to

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: ten decimals encourage.

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01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: Let's say you know you listed the number of Hall

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: of Famers at eight point zero. Yeah, I think it's

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01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: eight two, eight point two. What am I doing? Whoa, whoa, whoa?

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01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: I think rushing Give me an eight point one. I'm

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01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna go with eight point one there. I'm also point

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: Randy moss. Uh.

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01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 2: The gameplay of this game a lot us back and forth,

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01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 2: a couple shitty bad football players kicking it out of bounds.

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01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: That'll keep a coach up all night. What was the gameplay?

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01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: Zero to ten decimals encouraged? Well, obviously, you give up

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01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: thirty five points of punt return for a touchdown, an

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01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: interception for a touchdown. I'm gonna say a seven point five,

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: seven point overall, but down the stretch you could feel

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01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: the wrath of the Raiders. Feel the wrath.

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01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go see. I like a nice muddy game.

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: I like special teams involved. I fucking made the team

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Speaker 2: because of special teams. I'm going with the eight point three.

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01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 3: I like I like that. I have a feeling I'm

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01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: gonna be eight point nine. This was as a fan boy.

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01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 3: Is this entertaining to watch?

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: I'll give the gameplay higher, give me an eighty five.

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: I like it.

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01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: Let's be the eight boys in here, all right, Coach.

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01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: The name of the game, we got a grade. The

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01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: name of the game, the broken arrow game. He broke

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01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: that arrow.

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01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: What's the the name of the game. Yeah, I thought

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01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: we called it a broken arrow. I know, but we

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01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: got a grade. The name of the game.

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 4: It's the cultural impact. How often you think about this game?

1324
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 4: You're lying at home, it's dark, you think about this game.

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01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: I would like to say the broken arrow stab them

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01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: in the ass or something like that. That broken arrow.

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01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a good solid eight point five. I mean,

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01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: you know that's is that what a chief does? He

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01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: has an arrow? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I go with that.

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm going with the seven point one point.

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01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to redo mine. I know, three point

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: I see again, I know what We're gonna pick some point.

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01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go point three. I'm saying with the three

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01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: point three. I don't think about this game in the

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01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: dark at all.

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01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: Russian judge over here? Where does it land? Where does

1337
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: it land?

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01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 4: It is a seven point seventy nine rate score, So

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01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 4: that's gonna put us. It's our new seven point seven nine?

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01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yep? It's our by the Lway Montana

1341
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four game. It's camp be as high as

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01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: some of those others.

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01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 4: It's our new sixty third game tied with Lway versus

1344
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 4: Montana nineteen ninety four Week seven Chiefs versus Browns.

1345
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 3: Broncos Broncos Broncos Who with l Eric Stone Street right

1346
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 3: the street shout out and if you want to see

1347
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: the topic.

1348
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: Right above the tunable, Pats versus Jets? When when parcells

1349
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: first game in the week first game of Gillette? Where's

1350
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 2: the Dolphins versus the Jets? Vinny tests the verse?

1351
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: You haven't done. It's the only games that we've covered. Ok. Yeah,

1352
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: these are the games you've covered. We gotta do that.

1353
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: It was super Patriots heavy. But this is the top

1354
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: of our list right now. There you go, welcome Butler game.

1355
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 4: God was snowball game where the Tuckrell games.

1356
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: Are miracle on ice there. That was a fun game

1357
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: to go well, you should have a different segment for

1358
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: your postseason games. I know regular season games kind of

1359
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: belong in a different but it's still still there's still

1360
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: super insane cultural impact of regular seasons.

1361
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 2: Like this game that was a what is it like?

1362
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: The match game right here? This started off what the

1363
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: Raiders would become.

1364
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Man, that was so fun. Yeah, it

1365
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: was an to get to do bad. You can't, you know,

1366
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: like when I do my barstool stuff, like I study

1367
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: the films, make cutups, and I want to show the

1368
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: fans what I'm talking about. So when you try to

1369
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: show the video, you get you get in frustrated. Can

1370
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: you get sent to? Bill said, we do our Gruden's

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01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: QB class. We have to spend a lot of money

1372
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: to show five clips of these quarterbacks. You know, it's

1373
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: just a tragedy that you can't share these reminders to

1374
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: fans and think, I think it's bad, bad, bad, because

1375
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: you got to rebrand football. Amen, you got to make

1376
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: young people want to watch this year. It is what

1377
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: makes the young people come. I mean I grew up.

1378
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: I was on Monday Night Football for nine years, and

1379
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: I really wanted to stay there forever because I fucking

1380
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: love that song. Growing up as a kid, I used

1381
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: to get mad at the producer of ESPN's Monday Night

1382
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: Football and the director there were my friends. I said,

1383
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: we can't use the old dun dun dun dum by

1384
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: Tom Rady. He has a new weapon. Randy Moss. You

1385
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: know that used to god dang man, you know, used

1386
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: to fire me up. But now you know, you can't

1387
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: even show the highlight. You can't get the hype. Man.

1388
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: It's it's tough. It's a what do they say, money

1389
01:09:59,280 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: ruins everything?

1390
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: But this is for the people. Ball is for the people.

1391
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 3: No one should own this. This is everybody. Man, these clips, baby,

1392
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 3: but Coach, that was by.

1393
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 4: Far the best game breakdown we've done on this show.

1394
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 4: We've done one hundred and fifty episodes. The way that you.

1395
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: Had that, oh it was smooth. We I just feel

1396
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: like we had great We had great chemistry. It was fun.

1397
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's I get nervous.

1398
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 2: Presenting in front of the coaches or certain you know,

1399
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: like Boomer or you know, all these legends, because you

1400
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: guys are the ones that have done this for so long,

1401
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 2: and you know it's it's it's tough.

1402
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: New skills. It's a new skill. It was an honored coach.

1403
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Everyone.

1404
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,440
Speaker 2: Go check out Gruden's game preview. They are unbelievable.

1405
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: If you really want to get a deep dive of

1406
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: what the game is gonna be, I'm telling you those are.

1407
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: That's what installation in the NFL is. That's what players

1408
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 2: have to fucking do every Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, depending on

1409
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 2: the game plan or what day it is, third down

1410
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: or red area.

1411
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: Go check out Gruden's QB class. It's about that season.

1412
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 4: You were prophetic with Jackson Dark like, hey, don't get hurt.

1413
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 4: Slide what we see all season long.

1414
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you can't coach it out of them. Yeah, well,

1415
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna he'll learn. He's gonna learn either the hard

1416
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: way or the easy way. Christian Ellis taught him, didn't

1417
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: he He?

1418
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 3: I mean, I think about that clip with you guys

1419
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 3: doing this napcout probably once once a week.

1420
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is an all timer. We're excited.

1421
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: We got twenty Yeah why chick chick check easy check easy, Hey,

1422
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,919
Speaker 1: Hey go go Golpher, go Golpher. Two safeties, two safeties, Goldgolfer.

1423
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: Is that the Kent State call. That's Tom's I like that.

1424
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: I know Tomas, I heard it for twelve years. How

1425
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: long would you have been at Kent State these days?

1426
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: You'd have been there if you would have taken the

1427
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: anis O money. God, I would have been a PAC twelve. Yeah,

1428
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: there is no more, but that's where I wanted to be. Yeah,

1429
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 1: this world is crazy, it's nuts.

1430
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: But and then also go check out inside the FFCA

1431
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 2: Fired Football Coach Association coach. Thank you so much, man, Yeah,

1432
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: I love you man. What a game and thanks again

1433
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: to coach crew. And that met all the expectations.

1434
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 3: And then some man was that awesome? You know ball

1435
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: lower ball lover infectious. I feel like I could go

1436
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 3: out there and play right now. Man.

1437
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: Nuthouse in San Francisco, brought to you by Liquid IV

1438
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: has brought two gems. That brought two gems thus far,

1439
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: super Bowl Week being two back to back. Let's go

1440
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 2: real football heads too, right. Got to watch those guys

1441
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: Berman and Gruden on TV. They shaped how I looked

1442
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: at football, and it was cool to get to talk

1443
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: to them.

1444
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: It really was.

1445
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: I was like some they are football, they're football, Yeah

1446
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 3: they are, And it's one of those do meet your

1447
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 3: heroes type vibes.

1448
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,920
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