WEBVTT - Abortion Whenever You Need It 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.680 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Willkate f Daily with 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:20.400 Me your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.239 the folks, I am very excited about this week of 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.319 shows lined up with powerhouse women talking about some of 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:33.240 the issues that are affecting us this month for the 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.440 finale as we get through Women's History Month. It's not 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.880 lost on me at all, and it shouldn't be lost 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.720 on any of you that during the month of Women's 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:46.080 History a time for us to celebrate the matriarchs of 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.960 this country, right of people who have given so much 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:56.040 and done so much to advance women's rights and voice 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.280 in this country. That during this time there is a 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:04.240 full honest by Republicans. And I've said this before that 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.240 Republicans are using the states of Florida and Texas to 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:15.080 test some of their most egregious and draconian laws against 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:20.440 women and people with uteruses. You know. So today on 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.840 today's show, I welcome back our friend Danielle Campomore, who 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.880 is a reporter with tooday dot com. And Danielle has 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.480 been doing woke f through so many years because she 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.800 is one of the few abortion rights activists that I 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:42.440 know that does everything within her power one to share 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.759 her own story of abortion, but also to lift up 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:51.280 the stories of so many women and to make it 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.680 clear for us and know on certain terms what women, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.040 particularly poor women and women of color, are going to 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.960 be up against in this country that even as we 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:07.360 are watching these terrible laws come into effect in Texas 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:12.799 with the vigilante law essentially providing anyone, your neighbor, your 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:17.959 uber driver, the fucking person at the checkout counter, with 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:22.399 the ability to sue you right for ten thousand dollars 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.919 if in fact they think that you are going out 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.399 to go and get an abortion. Imagine being sued by 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.880 multiple people at one time. Sounds a little bit like bankruptcy. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.880 It also sounds like frivolousness as it pertains to our 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:44.720 criminal justice system. Right. Nonetheless, these laws that are going 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:49.360 into effect highlight one very important and clear thing is 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:54.080 that without the ability to control our own bodies, right, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.480 that means that we then don't control our work, right, 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.160 our ability to work. That means then and this is 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.760 what I have said before, and plenty of people love 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.760 to say, oh, Danielle, you know that sounds conspiratorial, But like, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:13.560 let's be clear, if women are forced out of the 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:20.600 workplace because now they're having being forced into force birth, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:26.600 forced pregnancy, meaning that they then can't hold down jobs. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.880 And we already saw what happened with the pandemic in 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.519 twenty twenty and remote learning and how millions of women 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.920 were forced out of the workplace because we don't actually 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:42.000 care about children outside of the uterus in this country, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.040 We could give a fuck. And so what happens then 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.240 all of these women are forced out of the workforce? 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:54.120 What providing a clear pathway once again to white cis 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.000 head of Rome men to be able to continue their domination, right, Like, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.160 what is the goal here? Is it the fear which 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:05.360 I've heard before of the demographic shift? So white men 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.040 in power believe that if they can force white women 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.760 into forced birth, then what their demographics will continue to rise? Like? 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.279 What is the fucking endgame here? And this is the 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.479 thing that I constantly ask and you know, and I 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.599 will ask Danielle. I think that cruelty is just the point. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.919 What is the endgame? I think it's power, right, the 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.960 ability to wield power over a population of people, which 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.640 it makes up more than half of this fucking country. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:37.760 But if you can control a women's reproductive cycles, right, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.880 then you can control pretty much any aspect of her life, right, 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:47.840 which then leaves men incomplete and total power. And the 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.960 thing that frustrates me, and I've said this before, is 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:55.320 that we have allowed Republicans to run away with the 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.520 label of the Party of Family Values when they don't 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.120 care about your family. Because if they did, then you 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.520 would have paid family leave, that our paid family leave 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:10.440 wouldn't be abysmal in comparison to other industrialized nations. Do 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.000 you know that there are countries that give women an 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.960 entire year off paid You mean that they don't have 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.840 to cobble together their vacation time and disability time and 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.440 then whatever it is the benevolence of their employer to 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.680 give them six weeks or eight weeks. I have a 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:37.680 younger cousin who currently works at a daycare for babies 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.640 as young as young folks as a month old, and 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.720 she has talked to me about how heartbreaking it is 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.760 for these new mothers, these new parents to drop off 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:53.800 their four week old child in daycare right to a 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.120 stranger so that they could go in and go to 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:02.640 work to afford daycare, because they know, particularly as women 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.799 that if they leave the workforce right for a year 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.120 in order to be able to tend to this new 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:15.240 life that Republicans say is so fucking important, then they're 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.400 going to lose footing in their jobs. Then they're going 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.760 to have to explain the gap on their resume. And 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.919 while of course you would say, oh, wonderful, how amazing, 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.080 you're out there like doing one of the most important jobs, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:32.000 which is creating a whole human right and making sure 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.960 that they are healthy and well and learning and productive 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.480 and all of these things that you would be rewarded 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.520 for that, but we don't do that in this country. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.320 We hold it against you, right. It's why we had 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.760 to put laws in place so that women who were 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.800 pregnant wouldn't be fired from the workplace, so that employers 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.320 wouldn't have to provide maternity leave or paternity leave. We've 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.120 always had to lobby and fight for these things. And 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.640 so you would think that in a country that doesn't 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:07.120 provide any care for children, that abortion would be like 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.160 a no brainer, but no, we want to control every 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:16.080 single aspect. And so in this conversation with Danielle, you know, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:22.520 we will talk about what women in places like Texas 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:27.800 are facing. How the bordering states that still do provide 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:33.280 abortion are being overrun with women and people coming in 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:38.360 from Texas seeking care that they can no longer get that. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.440 You know, we are seeing laws in places like Florida 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:48.200 that don't even have carve outs anymore for abortion in 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.360 the event that the pregnancy is threatening the life of 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.320 the mother, or that this pregnancy is a product of incest, 0:07:55.600 --> 0:08:01.640 human trafficking, or rape. Like, what hind of world are 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.640 we living in right now? What kind of country? How 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.680 can we say that we are an industrialized, democratic nation 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:13.320 when women in this country, particularly if you are black 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:19.200 and brown, right, are free ish If you don't have 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.600 the ability to decide when, how and if you start 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.360 a family, how are you free? You know? And I 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:34.040 had somebody recently on TikTok want to pop off and say, well, 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.280 if women weren't using abortion as birth control, people should 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.520 keep their legs closed. And I'm like, are you fucking stupid? 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.959 Because first of all, abortion is at an all time low, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.080 right and has been at an all time low right 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.920 just for by virtue of abortion being available doesn't mean 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.520 it's being used like fucking tik taks, right, it is 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.760 for a lot of people a really difficult decision to make, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.720 so they're not giving it and doing it willy nilly, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:11.600 as if the procedure itself isn't like difficult. And I'm 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.400 not saying that you need to have a sob story, right, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:19.760 because that is the point too with telling abortion stories, right, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.280 with being very upfront and honest, that there are people 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.560 that are like, yeah, no, I don't regret it. I 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.560 wouldn't have the job that I have, I wouldn't have 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:31.000 the life that I had. I was not ready right, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.440 and like, let that just be what it is. We 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.280 shouldn't have to say things like, oh, abortion needs to 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.920 be you know, healthy, safe and rare. Right, it needs 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.040 to be whenever you need it, however you need it. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.320 But the thing is is that we don't trust we 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.000 don't trust women in this country. We don't trust them 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.840 to make decisions. And this goes back to our roots 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.160 and misogyny and patriarchy, which are still ever present. If 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.520 you think about this, if America had ever passed the 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.400 Equal Rights Act, I remember the RARA from thirty fucking 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:12.599 years ago. Oh we don't need that was what Republicans 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.840 love to say, and some Democrats, Oh, women are already equal. Well, really, 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.640 are you sure? Because had we done that, then no 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.320 decision that was going to be made right by Mitch 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.400 McConnell and a handful of white evangelical Christians would have 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.400 any effect on us because it would be codified law. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:36.680 But that's not the case. Women are unsafe in this country. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.720 And what always kills me is that we love to 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:45.040 go abroad wag our fingers at the China's of the world, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.880 at the Saudis and the Irans and the Iraqs, and 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.680 we love to talk about how they are so behind 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.920 the times, not letting women drive and not letting women 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.320 go to school, And I'm like, you don't let women 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:06.640 decide their own fucking healthcare? Right, We don't pay women 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.960 the same as men, But yet we have a day 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.240 on the calendar every single every single year, in the 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.600 month of March to talk about equal pay, but actually 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:24.480 not fucking do anything about it. So what we offer 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:29.440 in this country is a facade of their being women's rights, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:35.560 but there really isn't. Just think about this. The First 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:42.360 Lady of the United States does a lot of work, right, entertaining, organizing, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.360 running different events, community engagement, blah blah, blah, doesn't get paid, 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.800 doesn't get paid for four or eight years, because that 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.480 is just what soft skills. We don't care about what 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.680 you are doing inside of the homes of course, right 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.560 the first Lady of the United States doesn't get a 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.960 check cut by the American people because you're just there 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:13.240 as an ornament. That's what we think about women in 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:21.000 this country. And so you know, I always get outdone 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.280 by the fact that we still chant and march for 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.400 the same things. Each generation of women marches in chance, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:33.200 the same thing that their mothers, their grandmothers, their aunts 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.959 all did. And so here we are at a point 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:42.160 where we are setting up our young girls right in 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.600 a country that does not see them as equal, that 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.439 does not see them as powerful, that sees them as 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.120 a threat to themselves, so much so that we need 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.760 to throw you in jail for the decisions that you 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:01.120 make about your own life, in your own body. This 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:06.760 country is incredibly wild and scary and dark. And I 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.080 don't even know what people are going to teach their 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.000 young girls, right, like, oh, you can be anything that 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:16.280 you want to be, can you? Right? Can you really? 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:21.479 Is that a true statement? Because there are glass ceilings 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:28.800 and glass cliffs all around. For the first time in 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.560 fifty years, girls that are going to be born in 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:36.000 this country will not have bodily autonomy. We thought that 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.120 that was behind us. It is now our present day 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.560 reality where we are going to see women in this 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.480 country what rushing the border to Mexico so that they 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:53.079 can get abortions there. America is in shambles. And coming 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.679 up next is my conversation with our friend reporter for 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.400 Today dot Com. If you're not following Danielle Campamore, you 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.200 absolutely should follow her on Twitter, follow her writing at 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:08.080 the Today Show. She is covering some of the most 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:13.520 important topics and issues of our time. That conversation comes 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:19.920 to you now, folks. You know that I am always 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.880 so happy when our friend Danielle Campomore, who is a 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.560 reporter with the Today Show, comes to woke a f 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.280 and gives us, you know, the mind blowing landscape on 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.720 where we are in this country as it pertains to 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:38.160 reproductive rights, as it pertains to abortion. Because what we 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.960 are seeing, Danielle, and you know we will get into 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:46.640 is an assault on abortion, on reproductive care, on people 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.880 with uteruses in a way that in all honesty, I 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.280 don't know when was the last time you have seen 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:59.080 such an aggressive push in so many states at one 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:04.880 time on rolling back abortion care. Well one, thank you 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.440 so much for having me. I always love to come 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.640 and talk to you about this topic specifically. I mean, really, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.920 this has been a decades long push, and I think 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:19.160 it's been more covert and less obvious and unapologetic. You know, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:25.920 we saw Republicans and years prior ease off of some 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.360 of the you know, in cases of rape or incest. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.800 You know, that was kind of something they conceded. They 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:38.280 really went towards trying to limit the rules and laws 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.920 of abortion care centers, and they would try and limit 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:47.720 the ability of abortion providers. They slowly and surely did 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:52.840 whittle down some of the gestational age requirements, you know, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.800 and would work really hard to establish waiting time. So 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.280 the assault is nothing new, But what has really given 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.680 at Breath in Life is the makeup of the Supreme 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.640 Court now this case in Mississippi, which is poised to 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:13.000 completely gut and annihilate ROW and will allow subsequent states 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.240 outside of Mississippi to ban abortion past fifteen weeks and 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.200 perhaps earlier. And we're seeing that happen in Texas, everyone's 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.840 really focused on Scotus right now, But in Texas for 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.120 more than six months, it has been illegal to access 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.960 abortion care after six weeks. There is an embryo at 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.400 six weeks, so there's not a heartbeat at six weeks, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.320 and so it really has forced people to leave the state. Now, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.560 medication abortion is the most popular way in which people 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.400 are accessing abortion care. They're getting pills online, they're getting 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:50.000 pills from friends, and so it's nothing new, but it's 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:55.680 definitely less apologetic by those who want to gut access 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:01.880 to abortion care. They are abandoning any sort of sidestep 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.639 in the case of rape or incest. There is a 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:09.080 law coming out of a conservative state where it wouldn't 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.280 allow even in the case of a woman's life being 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:17.160 on the line, and it would designate abortion cares homicide. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.199 So they're going back to a time where they didn't 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.480 feel the need to concede. And it's because of the 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.240 makeup of the Supreme Court. I mean, you know, Danielle, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:34.000 like just to think about the fact that the life 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.560 of a person giving birth was seen as a concession 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:46.040 right making carve outs for incest, rape, and I believe 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.159 that in Florida the new legislation that was passed was 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.880 it didn't even matter if you were trafficked, right, And 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:58.000 so I'm thinking I want to other than scream, I 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.680 want to understand. And how is it that we are 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:08.280 in twenty twenty two that we are going not even 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.400 going backwards, I mean, we're going to a place that 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.479 I don't know if we've ever been. What do you 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.240 think that we are missing as Democrats in our messaging, 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:24.080 in our conversation around abortion? I mean, look, you know, 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.879 just a couple of weeks ago, we had the Biden 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:31.680 administrations first stated the Union and guess what abortion wasn't mentioned, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:37.000 Not the word, not reproductive care, nothing right, And so 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.440 what what do you feel that Democrats are getting wrong 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:46.960 in this moment about how we move forward? Well, I mean, 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.440 historically Republicans have never been afraid to stay the word abortion, 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.959 and Democrats have always tried to sidestep it and use 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:58.880 euphemisms instead of women's reproductive healthcare or reproductive healthcare or 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.000 any of those you from that they use. And the 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.560 Biden administration certainly picked up on that on the campaign 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.679 trail he wasn't that afraid to say the word abortion. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.199 But since coming into office, he hasn't actually said the 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:14.760 word out loud. They did meet recently with abortion care 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.400 advocates in the White House. Virtually many of those advocates 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.760 were part of We Testify. They're a group of abortion 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.800 storytellers that work to really center people who have abortions, 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.679 and one advocate did press this administration to say the 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.240 word because you cannot fight for something if you can't 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.439 say exactly what that thing is. Right after that meeting, 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.040 the administration did release an announcement the first time in 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.919 his time in office where it wrote the word out twice. 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:47.040 Abortion appeared twice. So advocates are really pushing this administration 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.840 to before anything else, you have to say the word 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.639 out loud. You have to not be so apologetic and 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.960 stigma enforcing when you're trying to fight for the very 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.840 people who put you into office. And so that has 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.880 change more than anything, because again this is nothing new 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.840 from the Republican Party. We can all recall the time 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.040 when Todd Aiken I believe his name was said that 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.679 in terms of a legitimate rape a woman pregnant, I 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:17.080 mean is this has been their messaging from jump It's 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.600 the Democrats who need to be bold and unapologetic and 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.680 stand beside and center the people that have abortions if 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.520 they hope to combat these legislations, which many people don't 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.080 believe they can do at this point given the Supreme 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.200 Court makeup. I mean, you know when you say the 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:38.760 two words bold and unapologetic are not what I associate 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.800 with the current makeup of the Democratic Party. I'm just 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.439 going to be honest, and I am not certain that 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.600 people understand the urgency. And I say this all the 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.720 friggin time, the urgency of the moment that we're in. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.720 You know, when we saw Texas a couple of months 0:20:57.720 --> 0:20:59.280 ago and you would come on the show, we saw 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.359 Texas and we set, oh my god, they've gotten so 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:06.080 savvy because it's really hard to take this case, to 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:10.119 take the legislation to court, because you need it to 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:14.439 have have been used, right, And so they have gotten 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.680 savvier in the way that they write the laws that 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:22.119 the that the threat of its existence is enough without 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:28.120 actually having any vigilantes using the ten thousand dollars bounty, right, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:34.080 And so what navigations do we need to understand if 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.240 if we're at a place as Democrats and can't even 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.000 utter the word abortion, then how are we, to your point, 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:46.000 how are we to create strategies to combat this if 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.719 we don't talk about it right Well, I think abortion centering, 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.439 abortion storytellers and people who've had abortions is paramount. And 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.960 we saw that play out in the House where we 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.119 had women of color, predominantly black women and other women 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:03.600 of color congress. People share their abortion stories and say 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.679 I've had abortions, and I'm a lawmaker, and this is 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.359 why it matters. But what's really concerning And ask any 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.160 abortion advocate and they'll tell you that they are the Canarian, 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:18.400 the coal mind. How certain politicians attack access to abortion 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.879 care is how they will go along to attack voting rights, 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.960 Q rights, And we're seeing playout right now. There are 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.280 similar laws that the one enacted in Texas that are 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.840 now being enacted against trans students, against teachers that are 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:38.480 going to teach LGBTQ history. There's laws that are targeting librarians, 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:44.080 and parents can can call on elected officials and have 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:48.480 a librarian removed and potentially find and jailed if they're 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.800 offering certain books to their kids, you know, And so 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.879 this is wow. I think that so many advocates have 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.360 been saying for so long. If you can't care about this, 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:03.040 if you can't fight for bodily sovereignty and autonomy and 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.920 people's access to abortion care to decide when, when, if, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.480 and how they start their own families, you can't fight 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.280 for voting rights, you can't fight for LGBTQ rights, you 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:16.000 can't protect tran children, you can't protect access to information. 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:18.600 All those things are going to go by the wayside 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.280 as well. And that I think is what is the 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:23.000 scariest part of all of this is that this will 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.200 be a domino effect not justin people's ability to access 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.439 abortion care, but for kids to be able to be 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.480 themselves in school, to have access to information, for people 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:35.520 to vote, and now we're really talking about democracy entirely 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.720 and the makeup of this country. You know, one of 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.679 the things that I want to ask you to and 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.280 this came up, I don't I feel like it came 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.320 up in like a Twitter conversation that I was having. 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:52.159 But you know, someone had said that they did not 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:56.439 believe that, No, that they believed that part of the 0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:01.840 push by conservatives for abortion was to force white women 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:07.320 into pregnancy because of the demographic shift and the fact 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.400 that this country is going to be majority quote unquote 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:15.880 minority in the next two decades, right, And so it 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.520 is there some or have you heard of some kind 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:23.879 of you know, master plan that is couched in white 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:27.480 supremacy as many things are, that is about forcing white 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:33.480 women right to populate this country to preserve whiteness. Is 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.920 that a crazy theory or have you have you heard 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.159 it before? It's definitely something that I've heard before. And 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:44.879 many abortion advocates, particularly black and brown people, but white 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:48.520 LGBTQ young people will tell you the same. Really, if 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.640 you just look at the data. That is also kind 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.280 of born out of fact. The majority of people who 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.919 are most impacted by anti abortion laws are black and 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:02.040 brown people, young people. They will be forced to give birth, 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:05.840 while white affluent women will still be capable of accessing 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.440 that care. This is also born into kind of this 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:14.440 gop republican idea that if you ban abortion, you eliminate 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.439 it entirely, and we're seeing that of Texas that that 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.320 is not the case at all. While reports show that yes, 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:24.440 abortions in Texas have gone down, abortions and neighboring states 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.960 have gone up, and it's people are just leaving. The 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.200 people who can afford to leave again mostly white women. 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.120 You know, people are also able to obtain medication abortion now, 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.960 and so it's it's really a twofold of yes, they 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.600 know that you know, black, brown, poor people will be 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.080 most affected, will be pushed into motherhood, while those of 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.320 affluent Wiens means and predominantly why will be able to 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.960 access that care. But also they just think that this 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.600 is that it works, that abortion bands work, and studies 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.240 show that they don't work. They just cause additional harm. 0:25:56.560 --> 0:26:01.360 They just harm families and communities and and so um. 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.959 And that's again that's what we're seeing happening now. You know, 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.600 it's not lost on me that you know, this is 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:12.280 Women's History month, right, this is this is a month 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:17.840 to celebrate and put you know, women upfront, right and 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:22.120 and and and really honor how far we have come, right, 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:25.680 how far we've traversed from you know, literally being a 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:31.280 prop of patriarchy into being our very own people. And 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:38.680 there is this constant, unrelenting effort by conservatives to make 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:42.520 it so that women have no autonomy, that people with 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:47.520 uteruses have no autonomy over their lives. Right, what I 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:50.600 mean when you you've been doing this work for so long, Danielle. 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:54.160 When you think about like the ideology that these people 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.320 are subscribing to, what what do you think is driving them? 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.760 Is it that we do we not understand what the 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:05.520 driving forces, so that then we don't understand how to 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.879 stop it. No, I think we do understand, and I 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.119 think we understand because they'll a lot of Goope politicians 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.560