1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Willkate f Daily with 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Me your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker, 3 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: the folks, I am very excited about this week of 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: shows lined up with powerhouse women talking about some of 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: the issues that are affecting us this month for the 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: finale as we get through Women's History Month. It's not 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: lost on me at all, and it shouldn't be lost 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: on any of you that during the month of Women's 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: History a time for us to celebrate the matriarchs of 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: this country, right of people who have given so much 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: and done so much to advance women's rights and voice 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: in this country. That during this time there is a 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: full honest by Republicans. And I've said this before that 14 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: Republicans are using the states of Florida and Texas to 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: test some of their most egregious and draconian laws against 16 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: women and people with uteruses. You know. So today on 17 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: today's show, I welcome back our friend Danielle Campomore, who 18 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: is a reporter with tooday dot com. And Danielle has 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: been doing woke f through so many years because she 20 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: is one of the few abortion rights activists that I 21 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: know that does everything within her power one to share 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: her own story of abortion, but also to lift up 23 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: the stories of so many women and to make it 24 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: clear for us and know on certain terms what women, 25 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: particularly poor women and women of color, are going to 26 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: be up against in this country that even as we 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: are watching these terrible laws come into effect in Texas 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: with the vigilante law essentially providing anyone, your neighbor, your 29 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: uber driver, the fucking person at the checkout counter, with 30 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: the ability to sue you right for ten thousand dollars 31 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: if in fact they think that you are going out 32 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: to go and get an abortion. Imagine being sued by 33 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: multiple people at one time. Sounds a little bit like bankruptcy. 34 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: It also sounds like frivolousness as it pertains to our 35 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: criminal justice system. Right. Nonetheless, these laws that are going 36 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: into effect highlight one very important and clear thing is 37 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: that without the ability to control our own bodies, right, 38 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: that means that we then don't control our work, right, 39 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: our ability to work. That means then and this is 40 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: what I have said before, and plenty of people love 41 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: to say, oh, Danielle, you know that sounds conspiratorial, But like, 42 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: let's be clear, if women are forced out of the 43 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: workplace because now they're having being forced into force birth, 44 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: forced pregnancy, meaning that they then can't hold down jobs. 45 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: And we already saw what happened with the pandemic in 46 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and remote learning and how millions of women 47 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: were forced out of the workplace because we don't actually 48 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: care about children outside of the uterus in this country, 49 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: We could give a fuck. And so what happens then 50 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: all of these women are forced out of the workforce? 51 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: What providing a clear pathway once again to white cis 52 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: head of Rome men to be able to continue their domination, right, Like, 53 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: what is the goal here? Is it the fear which 54 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: I've heard before of the demographic shift? So white men 55 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: in power believe that if they can force white women 56 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: into forced birth, then what their demographics will continue to rise? Like? 57 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: What is the fucking endgame here? And this is the 58 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: thing that I constantly ask and you know, and I 59 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: will ask Danielle. I think that cruelty is just the point. 60 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: What is the endgame? I think it's power, right, the 61 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: ability to wield power over a population of people, which 62 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: it makes up more than half of this fucking country. 63 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: But if you can control a women's reproductive cycles, right, 64 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: then you can control pretty much any aspect of her life, right, 65 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: which then leaves men incomplete and total power. And the 66 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: thing that frustrates me, and I've said this before, is 67 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: that we have allowed Republicans to run away with the 68 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: label of the Party of Family Values when they don't 69 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: care about your family. Because if they did, then you 70 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: would have paid family leave, that our paid family leave 71 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't be abysmal in comparison to other industrialized nations. Do 72 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: you know that there are countries that give women an 73 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: entire year off paid You mean that they don't have 74 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: to cobble together their vacation time and disability time and 75 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: then whatever it is the benevolence of their employer to 76 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: give them six weeks or eight weeks. I have a 77 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: younger cousin who currently works at a daycare for babies 78 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: as young as young folks as a month old, and 79 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: she has talked to me about how heartbreaking it is 80 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: for these new mothers, these new parents to drop off 81 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: their four week old child in daycare right to a 82 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: stranger so that they could go in and go to 83 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: work to afford daycare, because they know, particularly as women 84 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: that if they leave the workforce right for a year 85 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: in order to be able to tend to this new 86 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: life that Republicans say is so fucking important, then they're 87 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: going to lose footing in their jobs. Then they're going 88 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: to have to explain the gap on their resume. And 89 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: while of course you would say, oh, wonderful, how amazing, 90 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: you're out there like doing one of the most important jobs, 91 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: which is creating a whole human right and making sure 92 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: that they are healthy and well and learning and productive 93 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: and all of these things that you would be rewarded 94 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: for that, but we don't do that in this country. 95 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: We hold it against you, right. It's why we had 96 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: to put laws in place so that women who were 97 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: pregnant wouldn't be fired from the workplace, so that employers 98 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to provide maternity leave or paternity leave. We've 99 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: always had to lobby and fight for these things. And 100 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: so you would think that in a country that doesn't 101 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: provide any care for children, that abortion would be like 102 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: a no brainer, but no, we want to control every 103 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: single aspect. And so in this conversation with Danielle, you know, 104 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: we will talk about what women in places like Texas 105 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: are facing. How the bordering states that still do provide 106 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: abortion are being overrun with women and people coming in 107 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: from Texas seeking care that they can no longer get that. 108 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: You know, we are seeing laws in places like Florida 109 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: that don't even have carve outs anymore for abortion in 110 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: the event that the pregnancy is threatening the life of 111 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: the mother, or that this pregnancy is a product of incest, 112 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: human trafficking, or rape. Like, what hind of world are 113 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: we living in right now? What kind of country? How 114 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: can we say that we are an industrialized, democratic nation 115 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: when women in this country, particularly if you are black 116 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: and brown, right, are free ish If you don't have 117 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: the ability to decide when, how and if you start 118 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: a family, how are you free? You know? And I 119 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: had somebody recently on TikTok want to pop off and say, well, 120 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: if women weren't using abortion as birth control, people should 121 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: keep their legs closed. And I'm like, are you fucking stupid? 122 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: Because first of all, abortion is at an all time low, 123 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: right and has been at an all time low right 124 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: just for by virtue of abortion being available doesn't mean 125 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: it's being used like fucking tik taks, right, it is 126 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of people a really difficult decision to make, 127 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: so they're not giving it and doing it willy nilly, 128 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: as if the procedure itself isn't like difficult. And I'm 129 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: not saying that you need to have a sob story, right, 130 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: because that is the point too with telling abortion stories, right, 131 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: with being very upfront and honest, that there are people 132 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: that are like, yeah, no, I don't regret it. I 133 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't have the job that I have, I wouldn't have 134 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: the life that I had. I was not ready right, 135 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: and like, let that just be what it is. We 136 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to say things like, oh, abortion needs to 137 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: be you know, healthy, safe and rare. Right, it needs 138 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: to be whenever you need it, however you need it. 139 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: But the thing is is that we don't trust we 140 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: don't trust women in this country. We don't trust them 141 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: to make decisions. And this goes back to our roots 142 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and misogyny and patriarchy, which are still ever present. If 143 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: you think about this, if America had ever passed the 144 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: Equal Rights Act, I remember the RARA from thirty fucking 145 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 1: years ago. Oh we don't need that was what Republicans 146 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: love to say, and some Democrats, Oh, women are already equal. Well, really, 147 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: are you sure? Because had we done that, then no 148 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: decision that was going to be made right by Mitch 149 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: McConnell and a handful of white evangelical Christians would have 150 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: any effect on us because it would be codified law. 151 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: But that's not the case. Women are unsafe in this country. 152 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: And what always kills me is that we love to 153 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: go abroad wag our fingers at the China's of the world, 154 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: at the Saudis and the Irans and the Iraqs, and 155 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: we love to talk about how they are so behind 156 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: the times, not letting women drive and not letting women 157 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: go to school, And I'm like, you don't let women 158 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: decide their own fucking healthcare? Right, We don't pay women 159 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: the same as men, But yet we have a day 160 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: on the calendar every single every single year, in the 161 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: month of March to talk about equal pay, but actually 162 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: not fucking do anything about it. So what we offer 163 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: in this country is a facade of their being women's rights, 164 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: but there really isn't. Just think about this. The First 165 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: Lady of the United States does a lot of work, right, entertaining, organizing, 166 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: running different events, community engagement, blah blah, blah, doesn't get paid, 167 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: doesn't get paid for four or eight years, because that 168 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: is just what soft skills. We don't care about what 169 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: you are doing inside of the homes of course, right 170 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: the first Lady of the United States doesn't get a 171 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: check cut by the American people because you're just there 172 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: as an ornament. That's what we think about women in 173 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: this country. And so you know, I always get outdone 174 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: by the fact that we still chant and march for 175 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: the same things. Each generation of women marches in chance, 176 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: the same thing that their mothers, their grandmothers, their aunts 177 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: all did. And so here we are at a point 178 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: where we are setting up our young girls right in 179 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: a country that does not see them as equal, that 180 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: does not see them as powerful, that sees them as 181 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: a threat to themselves, so much so that we need 182 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: to throw you in jail for the decisions that you 183 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: make about your own life, in your own body. This 184 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: country is incredibly wild and scary and dark. And I 185 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: don't even know what people are going to teach their 186 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: young girls, right, like, oh, you can be anything that 187 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: you want to be, can you? Right? Can you really? 188 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,479 Speaker 1: Is that a true statement? Because there are glass ceilings 189 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: and glass cliffs all around. For the first time in 190 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: fifty years, girls that are going to be born in 191 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: this country will not have bodily autonomy. We thought that 192 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: that was behind us. It is now our present day 193 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: reality where we are going to see women in this 194 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: country what rushing the border to Mexico so that they 195 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: can get abortions there. America is in shambles. And coming 196 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: up next is my conversation with our friend reporter for 197 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: Today dot Com. If you're not following Danielle Campamore, you 198 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: absolutely should follow her on Twitter, follow her writing at 199 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: the Today Show. She is covering some of the most 200 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: important topics and issues of our time. That conversation comes 201 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: to you now, folks. You know that I am always 202 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: so happy when our friend Danielle Campomore, who is a 203 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: reporter with the Today Show, comes to woke a f 204 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: and gives us, you know, the mind blowing landscape on 205 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: where we are in this country as it pertains to 206 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: reproductive rights, as it pertains to abortion. Because what we 207 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: are seeing, Danielle, and you know we will get into 208 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: is an assault on abortion, on reproductive care, on people 209 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: with uteruses in a way that in all honesty, I 210 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: don't know when was the last time you have seen 211 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: such an aggressive push in so many states at one 212 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: time on rolling back abortion care. Well one, thank you 213 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: so much for having me. I always love to come 214 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: and talk to you about this topic specifically. I mean, really, 215 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: this has been a decades long push, and I think 216 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: it's been more covert and less obvious and unapologetic. You know, 217 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: we saw Republicans and years prior ease off of some 218 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: of the you know, in cases of rape or incest. 219 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: You know, that was kind of something they conceded. They 220 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: really went towards trying to limit the rules and laws 221 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: of abortion care centers, and they would try and limit 222 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: the ability of abortion providers. They slowly and surely did 223 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: whittle down some of the gestational age requirements, you know, 224 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: and would work really hard to establish waiting time. So 225 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: the assault is nothing new, But what has really given 226 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: at Breath in Life is the makeup of the Supreme 227 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: Court now this case in Mississippi, which is poised to 228 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: completely gut and annihilate ROW and will allow subsequent states 229 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: outside of Mississippi to ban abortion past fifteen weeks and 230 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: perhaps earlier. And we're seeing that happen in Texas, everyone's 231 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: really focused on Scotus right now, But in Texas for 232 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: more than six months, it has been illegal to access 233 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: abortion care after six weeks. There is an embryo at 234 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: six weeks, so there's not a heartbeat at six weeks, 235 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: and so it really has forced people to leave the state. Now, 236 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: medication abortion is the most popular way in which people 237 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: are accessing abortion care. They're getting pills online, they're getting 238 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: pills from friends, and so it's nothing new, but it's 239 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: definitely less apologetic by those who want to gut access 240 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: to abortion care. They are abandoning any sort of sidestep 241 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: in the case of rape or incest. There is a 242 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: law coming out of a conservative state where it wouldn't 243 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: allow even in the case of a woman's life being 244 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: on the line, and it would designate abortion cares homicide. 245 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: So they're going back to a time where they didn't 246 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: feel the need to concede. And it's because of the 247 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: makeup of the Supreme Court. I mean, you know, Danielle, 248 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: like just to think about the fact that the life 249 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: of a person giving birth was seen as a concession 250 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: right making carve outs for incest, rape, and I believe 251 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: that in Florida the new legislation that was passed was 252 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: it didn't even matter if you were trafficked, right, And 253 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: so I'm thinking I want to other than scream, I 254 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: want to understand. And how is it that we are 255 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two that we are going not even 256 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: going backwards, I mean, we're going to a place that 257 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've ever been. What do you 258 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: think that we are missing as Democrats in our messaging, 259 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: in our conversation around abortion? I mean, look, you know, 260 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago, we had the Biden 261 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: administrations first stated the Union and guess what abortion wasn't mentioned, 262 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: Not the word, not reproductive care, nothing right, And so 263 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: what what do you feel that Democrats are getting wrong 264 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: in this moment about how we move forward? Well, I mean, 265 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: historically Republicans have never been afraid to stay the word abortion, 266 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: and Democrats have always tried to sidestep it and use 267 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: euphemisms instead of women's reproductive healthcare or reproductive healthcare or 268 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: any of those you from that they use. And the 269 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Biden administration certainly picked up on that on the campaign 270 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: trail he wasn't that afraid to say the word abortion. 271 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: But since coming into office, he hasn't actually said the 272 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: word out loud. They did meet recently with abortion care 273 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: advocates in the White House. Virtually many of those advocates 274 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: were part of We Testify. They're a group of abortion 275 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: storytellers that work to really center people who have abortions, 276 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: and one advocate did press this administration to say the 277 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: word because you cannot fight for something if you can't 278 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: say exactly what that thing is. Right after that meeting, 279 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: the administration did release an announcement the first time in 280 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: his time in office where it wrote the word out twice. 281 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: Abortion appeared twice. So advocates are really pushing this administration 282 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: to before anything else, you have to say the word 283 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: out loud. You have to not be so apologetic and 284 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: stigma enforcing when you're trying to fight for the very 285 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: people who put you into office. And so that has 286 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: change more than anything, because again this is nothing new 287 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: from the Republican Party. We can all recall the time 288 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: when Todd Aiken I believe his name was said that 289 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: in terms of a legitimate rape a woman pregnant, I 290 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: mean is this has been their messaging from jump It's 291 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: the Democrats who need to be bold and unapologetic and 292 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: stand beside and center the people that have abortions if 293 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: they hope to combat these legislations, which many people don't 294 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: believe they can do at this point given the Supreme 295 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: Court makeup. I mean, you know when you say the 296 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: two words bold and unapologetic are not what I associate 297 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: with the current makeup of the Democratic Party. I'm just 298 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: going to be honest, and I am not certain that 299 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: people understand the urgency. And I say this all the 300 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: friggin time, the urgency of the moment that we're in. 301 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: You know, when we saw Texas a couple of months 302 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: ago and you would come on the show, we saw 303 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: Texas and we set, oh my god, they've gotten so 304 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: savvy because it's really hard to take this case, to 305 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: take the legislation to court, because you need it to 306 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: have have been used, right, And so they have gotten 307 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: savvier in the way that they write the laws that 308 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: the that the threat of its existence is enough without 309 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: actually having any vigilantes using the ten thousand dollars bounty, right, 310 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: And so what navigations do we need to understand if 311 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: if we're at a place as Democrats and can't even 312 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: utter the word abortion, then how are we, to your point, 313 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: how are we to create strategies to combat this if 314 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: we don't talk about it right Well, I think abortion centering, 315 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: abortion storytellers and people who've had abortions is paramount. And 316 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: we saw that play out in the House where we 317 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: had women of color, predominantly black women and other women 318 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: of color congress. People share their abortion stories and say 319 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: I've had abortions, and I'm a lawmaker, and this is 320 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: why it matters. But what's really concerning And ask any 321 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: abortion advocate and they'll tell you that they are the Canarian, 322 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: the coal mind. How certain politicians attack access to abortion 323 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: care is how they will go along to attack voting rights, 324 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: Q rights, And we're seeing playout right now. There are 325 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: similar laws that the one enacted in Texas that are 326 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: now being enacted against trans students, against teachers that are 327 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: going to teach LGBTQ history. There's laws that are targeting librarians, 328 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: and parents can can call on elected officials and have 329 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: a librarian removed and potentially find and jailed if they're 330 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: offering certain books to their kids, you know, And so 331 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: this is wow. I think that so many advocates have 332 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: been saying for so long. If you can't care about this, 333 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: if you can't fight for bodily sovereignty and autonomy and 334 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: people's access to abortion care to decide when, when, if, 335 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: and how they start their own families, you can't fight 336 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: for voting rights, you can't fight for LGBTQ rights, you 337 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: can't protect tran children, you can't protect access to information. 338 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: All those things are going to go by the wayside 339 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: as well. And that I think is what is the 340 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: scariest part of all of this is that this will 341 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: be a domino effect not justin people's ability to access 342 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: abortion care, but for kids to be able to be 343 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: themselves in school, to have access to information, for people 344 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: to vote, and now we're really talking about democracy entirely 345 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: and the makeup of this country. You know, one of 346 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: the things that I want to ask you to and 347 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: this came up, I don't I feel like it came 348 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: up in like a Twitter conversation that I was having. 349 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: But you know, someone had said that they did not 350 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: believe that, No, that they believed that part of the 351 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: push by conservatives for abortion was to force white women 352 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: into pregnancy because of the demographic shift and the fact 353 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: that this country is going to be majority quote unquote 354 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: minority in the next two decades, right, And so it 355 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: is there some or have you heard of some kind 356 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: of you know, master plan that is couched in white 357 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: supremacy as many things are, that is about forcing white 358 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: women right to populate this country to preserve whiteness. Is 359 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: that a crazy theory or have you have you heard 360 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: it before? It's definitely something that I've heard before. And 361 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: many abortion advocates, particularly black and brown people, but white 362 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: LGBTQ young people will tell you the same. Really, if 363 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: you just look at the data. That is also kind 364 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: of born out of fact. The majority of people who 365 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: are most impacted by anti abortion laws are black and 366 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: brown people, young people. They will be forced to give birth, 367 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: while white affluent women will still be capable of accessing 368 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: that care. This is also born into kind of this 369 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: gop republican idea that if you ban abortion, you eliminate 370 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: it entirely, and we're seeing that of Texas that that 371 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: is not the case at all. While reports show that yes, 372 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: abortions in Texas have gone down, abortions and neighboring states 373 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: have gone up, and it's people are just leaving. The 374 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: people who can afford to leave again mostly white women. 375 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, people are also able to obtain medication abortion now, 376 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: and so it's it's really a twofold of yes, they 377 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: know that you know, black, brown, poor people will be 378 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: most affected, will be pushed into motherhood, while those of 379 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: affluent Wiens means and predominantly why will be able to 380 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: access that care. But also they just think that this 381 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: is that it works, that abortion bands work, and studies 382 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: show that they don't work. They just cause additional harm. 383 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: They just harm families and communities and and so um. 384 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: And that's again that's what we're seeing happening now. You know, 385 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: it's not lost on me that you know, this is 386 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: Women's History month, right, this is this is a month 387 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: to celebrate and put you know, women upfront, right and 388 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: and and and really honor how far we have come, right, 389 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: how far we've traversed from you know, literally being a 390 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: prop of patriarchy into being our very own people. And 391 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: there is this constant, unrelenting effort by conservatives to make 392 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: it so that women have no autonomy, that people with 393 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: uteruses have no autonomy over their lives. Right, what I 394 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: mean when you you've been doing this work for so long, Danielle. 395 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: When you think about like the ideology that these people 396 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: are subscribing to, what what do you think is driving them? 397 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: Is it that we do we not understand what the 398 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: driving forces, so that then we don't understand how to 399 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: stop it. No, I think we do understand, and I 400 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: think we understand because they'll a lot of Goope politicians 401 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: will happily tell you their views are based in a white, 402 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, Christian faith and ideology that has a very 403 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: specific makeup of a family. That makeup is heteronormative in 404 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: which a man leaves the house and the woman doesn't. 405 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: And it's really faith based for many people, and the 406 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: Goop politicians they run on that. And we're seeing that 407 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: more and more as more of the Marjorie Taylor Greens 408 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: of the party are now coming to the forefront winning 409 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: primary elections. There's a man running for office in Michigan 410 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: just the other day now viral video where he's speaking 411 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: about taking back the country. He wants to take back 412 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: the election in hand it to Donald Trump, and he 413 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: also says that he tells his three daughters that if 414 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: rape it is inevitable, you might as well just lay 415 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: down and enjoy it. Those were no no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, 416 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: I will send send you the video. His daughter actually 417 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty went viral where she tweeted out, please 418 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: don't vote for my father, like, tell everyone, please don't 419 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: vote for him. Well, he won the primary, he's poised 420 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: to win that district in Michigan, and so, and he 421 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: runs on a He'll tell you it's faith based. It's 422 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't believe in feminism. He it's it's not difficult 423 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: to know what we're up against because it's proudly marketed, 424 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: and that is a platform that many people in the 425 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: Republican Party are running on now. And so it's really 426 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: just whether or not those in opposition have the stomach 427 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: to confront those ideologies in clear ways that people can understand, 428 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: to call them out when they happen in clearer language, 429 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: and again be bold and unapologetic in those efforts. Um, 430 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: and of just treating them as fringe or treating them 431 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: as us a tiny subset of a Republican Party that 432 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: is now led by Donald Trump. UM, we can't overlook 433 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: these issues anymore because we've seen what happens when we 434 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: overlook anti abortion laws. We find ourselves in twenty twenty 435 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: two about to lose row. You know, Danielle, it is 436 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: it is? Is it complacency that got us here? Is 437 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: it the belief that you know, we the bravado of 438 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: the assumption that because our mothers and grandmothers uh and 439 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: then maybe a few men you know, activated in the 440 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen seventies, that we just thought like 441 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: the worst was behind us, Like what did is there 442 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: something that we did wrong? Right? Like? Like did we 443 00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: did we miss something here? I think it it depends 444 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: on who is we. I think at the local level, 445 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: at the grassroots level, black and brown women specifically have 446 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: been doing this work, fighting this fight. They've made abortion 447 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: care accessible to people who wouldn't be accessible to even 448 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: ten twenty years ago. And so I think no, like 449 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: the abortion storyteller's advocates, fundraisers, people who work on at 450 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: local clinics, the abortion providers who speak out to the 451 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, for fear of their lives and the lives 452 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: of their families. Know, but those in positions of power, 453 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: a lot of white people, those with means, who will 454 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: only really speak on the state of abortion every four 455 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: years during a high profile election. Yes, I think there 456 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: was definitely something to take it for granted. I think 457 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: there was this knowledge that I can just talk about 458 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: this every four years and people will come out and 459 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: vote for me, and then we can just let it 460 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: go back to the way it was, this kind of 461 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: silence and women reproductive health speak. And so I think, yes, 462 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: our elected leaders, if you ask a lot of the 463 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: people on the ground, they will tell you that they 464 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: have overlooked and failed and took abortion rights for granted. 465 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: But certainly not the advocates that I speak to. Certainly 466 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: not those that are on the ground working every day. 467 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: They could have told you we would have been here 468 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 1: twenty years ago and did a lot of people just 469 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: didn't listen. Where do you see us in eight months 470 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: as we make the track to midterms? Where do you 471 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: see this issue it positioned in how we hold on? 472 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: And again, this is supposed this is supposedly what winning 473 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: looks like, Danielle. We have, you know, outside of the 474 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, we have all the branches of government, and 475 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: this is what winning looks like. It doesn't feel like 476 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: winning to me. So what do you think for the 477 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: abortion issue? For these tax how is it positioned over 478 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: the next eight months? Well, I think the only way 479 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: to kind of look at how it might be is 480 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: to look at how it has been and the reporting 481 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: coming out now. I think that we're going to see 482 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: more people have to leave the state, and these grassroots 483 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: organizations are going to need additional funding in order for 484 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: them to better facilitate those people leaving their homes in 485 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: order to obtain care. We'll see some states shore up 486 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: abortion rights and really become abortion safe havens, while others 487 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: will follow suit with Mississippi, Texas, Florida, and abortion won't 488 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: be accessible for people in those states. I think we'll 489 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: also see a change in the GOP political desire to 490 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: curtail abortion rights by going after medication abortion. Now, that 491 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: really has changed the game. You're already seeing the idea 492 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: that illegal abortion is automatically unsafe no longer true. What 493 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: makes it unsafe will be incarceration for predominantly black people. 494 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: Medication abortion has changed the game and it's entirely safe, 495 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: and we've seen in you know, studies that most people 496 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: now are seeking those services. So I think once as 497 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: as experts believe Row falls and the states with that 498 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: domino effects and their citizens ability to access abortion care, 499 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: there will be a huge shift and focus on medication abortion. Danielle, 500 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: I am really worried, you know, I just I really 501 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: don't know what this country is going to look like 502 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: in the next year, in the next two years. You know, 503 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: when when you're thinking and you've been doing this work 504 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: and advocating and writing and speaking out for so long, 505 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: is there a country or a place who at one 506 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: time add all of these rights and access in the 507 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, in and then loses them gain them back, Like, 508 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: I mean, what what what do you see as the 509 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: trajectory of where America is going and what we're going 510 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: to look like for women and and and queer people, 511 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: Like what what do what do you see? Well? I 512 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: think that's what. Another thing that for so many people 513 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: is disheartening is we're also seeing so many other countries, 514 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: Latin American countries specifically, shore up abortion rights now. And 515 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: I read a piece actually today where one apocas advocate 516 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: from one of those countries told the American Reporter that 517 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: you all left the streets and we never did and 518 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: why Americans are seeing access to reproductive care and abortion 519 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: care limiting while other um countries who didn't have it 520 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: are actually obtaining it now and so, um, you know, 521 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: my global history is not the best. I wouldn't say 522 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm a global historian by any means. I fail to 523 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: recall or think of any country that had these rights, 524 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: lost them and got them back. But I do think 525 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: that for those that are worried, there is hope in 526 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: what other countries are doing, what other advocates and activists 527 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: and politicians in favor of abortion care, LGBTQ plus rights, 528 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: voting rights have been able to do, and then what 529 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: really while it can be very difficult to report on 530 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: this right now, it also brings me so much hope 531 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: because there are so many people who are watching a 532 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: person's children so that she could go obtain a medication abortion. 533 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: They're going and offering rides, letting people stay in their homes. 534 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: They're giving as much money as they can at a 535 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: time when there's an ongoing pandemic, like there's so many 536 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: stories of people helping and of these organizations that have 537 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: been doing the work expanding, And so I think looking 538 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: at the grassroots level and then what other people are 539 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: doing across the world can bring hope and what is 540 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: a very difficult situation. And yea, I you know, as always, 541 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for your work, for your writing, 542 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 1: for your voice. You know, just this issue, as many 543 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: of them are now about justice and equity are heartbreaking. 544 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking to do this work. It's exhausting to do 545 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: this work day and day out, particularly at a time 546 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: when the light seems to be escaping us right and 547 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: we're just marching into darkness. So I just I you know, 548 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: I know that it's hard, and I just want to 549 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: thank you if no one else thanked you today yet, 550 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: and appreciate you to continue the fight and and please 551 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: do continue to take care of yourself, your family as 552 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: these times are going to get continually tougher. Thank you, 553 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: dear friend, you as well. I'm so thankful for you 554 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: and the work that you're doing for me to come 555 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: back here and talk to one of my favorite people anytime, anytime. 556 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. That is it for me today, Dear friends, 557 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: on woke f as always power to the people and 558 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke 559 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: as fun